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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. J Z Shadwick with

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Speaker 1: John Oser from the Hymn Day Studios at the Miller

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Speaker 1: Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks joining us from Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: As we continue in this offseason, it is eight four third.

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Speaker 1: The offseason program is coming up quickly. The draft is

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Speaker 1: just over three weeks away, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to. The Jackson made another extension on defense. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to that coming up. But Bucky, it's good to

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Speaker 1: talk with you again, of course this week. Since we

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Speaker 1: talked last week, though, something happened between our alma maters

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't good for yours.

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Speaker 2: What happened I don't know this baseball season. So what

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Speaker 2: happened the Carolina player, Alabama and baseball?

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Speaker 3: No No.

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Speaker 2: I saw the Diamond Hills last last weekends. I saw

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Speaker 2: them play Take a Way forwarth. I didn't see the

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Speaker 2: Christians yet, So did I miss something?

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Speaker 1: You must have missed the Sweet sixteen game, because you

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Speaker 1: know I'm not a bit honestly, it's only the only

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Speaker 1: two Alabama basketball games I watched all year were the

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Speaker 1: last two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's always nice when the

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Speaker 4: guy who just learned that they have the sport at

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Speaker 4: the school ways in tournament.

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Speaker 2: So what I've learned is I should never go to

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Speaker 2: an Alabama Carolina basketball game in person, because during my lifetime,

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Speaker 2: the Tar heroes are winless against Alabama. I saw them

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Speaker 2: when I was in school take on Alabama when they

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Speaker 2: had David Benoit.

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Speaker 5: The Trails free wheel Robert Or they played him in the.

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Speaker 2: Dean Dome and Alabama ran them out the Dean Dome.

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Speaker 2: And then I saw them in the Sweet sixteen. Took

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Speaker 2: my daughter to go see the game because we were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 5: Let's go see what they look like. They're right here

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Speaker 5: in LA.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't. It wasn't what we wanted.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't knowize you were actually at the game.

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Speaker 5: Wow, oh oh, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was in the building.

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Speaker 5: I was in the building heartbroken and crushed.

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Speaker 4: It's like I emailed Bucky this weekend. Everybody's playing for

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Speaker 4: second place this year.

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Speaker 2: I never know, Yeah, because you do, because I've seen

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Speaker 2: this movie before, and I've seen this NC State movie

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Speaker 2: happen to me when I was a kid nineteen eighty three,

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Speaker 2: where they shouldn't be and yet they still are, and

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Speaker 2: you look up and they cut down the nets with

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Speaker 2: Lorenzo Charles dunking it in, so you never know it's

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Speaker 2: a tournament.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a team going a thirty zero run.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 4: And that Houston team, I mean it's a little similar.

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Speaker 4: Remember Houston Louisville that year, Bucky Yeah, where it was.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the great at the time running

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Speaker 4: dunk games and they sort of looked unbeatable.

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Speaker 6: I know we're talking as a football podcast, but.

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Speaker 4: Yukon plays so well together and they're I mean they

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Speaker 4: look like a lot of the teams that people thought

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Speaker 6: You wanted them to look. Well, this team could. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this team plays together and you know they sort of play.

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Speaker 4: To me, they reminded me remember the San Antonio team

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Speaker 4: years ago and he just played so well together. This

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Speaker 4: seems like a college version of that team. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: tell you Yukon player. I don't follow it that much,

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Speaker 4: but boy, they're pretty to watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, it's a great team.

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Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that everyone can.

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Speaker 5: Agree upon is everybody tunes in for March mad. It's

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Speaker 3: Casual fan or big time fan. You have your.

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Speaker 2: NFL players in the locker room talking about like what's

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Speaker 2: going on. It's a great tournament to watch because you

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Speaker 6: It's a great crypt is a great clip from Larry David.

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Speaker 6: I just saw, Yeah, how am I supposed to follow Drake?

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Speaker 4: Everybody, all of a sudden in March, I'm sitting here

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Speaker 4: talking about, well, they compare it to a great I mean,

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Speaker 1: Who all knows all this stuff? It's amazing. It's Suddle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to Jaguar news. Late last week linebacker for you,

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Speaker 1: Lucan signing an extension three years reported twenty two and

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Speaker 1: a half million dollars guaranteed. The extension, lowering his cap number.

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Speaker 1: He led the NFL and tackles, of course, in twenty

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Speaker 1: Finished fourth in the league last year in total tackles.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think, Bucky I mean a guy

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Speaker 1: This seems positive, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think it's really positive. And what I would say

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Speaker 2: The guys that have been signed, the Jaguars are clearly

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Speaker 3: Character guys, guys that are.

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Speaker 2: Professionals, guys that can get it done. And so with

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Speaker 2: the luaka on coming back, the extension is rewarding him

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Speaker 2: not only for the production on the field, but the

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Speaker 2: leader that he's become off the field. When you're around

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Speaker 2: this team, Look, man, that's the unquestioned leader of that

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Speaker 2: about his business. So you want to reward those players

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Speaker 2: as you're beginning to form and kind of establish a

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Speaker 3: All four year Luakan is one of the kind of guys.

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Speaker 2: That you certainly want in the building.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I get for a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of credit, you don't often, or you don't always

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Speaker 4: sign your free agent signings to a veteran contract to

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Speaker 6: If you will.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the other side of the argument is, you know,

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Speaker 4: could they could they have drafted and brought the cycle through,

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Speaker 4: meaning you know, you usually want to sign free agents

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not sure that happened with the MoMA

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Speaker 6: So you need to keep Foyer.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that's ideal, but that happens at times

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Speaker 6: You don't always draft perfectly. But in Foyer, just.

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Speaker 4: In talking about Foyer, credit to him for being a

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Speaker 4: case with free agents, Bucky, No.

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Speaker 2: It's not always the case, and so I think in

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Speaker 5: He's been a great player in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: In terms of making sure that he holds people accountable.

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Speaker 2: He does things the right way. We've alluded to Doug

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Speaker 2: One thing we could never question Poyer. Little kh always

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Speaker 5: You want to make sure that you continue to fill

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Speaker 2: And one of the ways you can do it is resound

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Speaker 2: now you can bring up the best in each other.

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Speaker 1: So Idle Up Podcast, jap Shatter, John Osher and Bucky

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Speaker 1: Brooks in the division. And this came out on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: that the Houston Texans had made a trade for wide

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Speaker 1: receiver Stefan Diggs. He is headed to Houston from Buffalo

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Speaker 1: a second round pick, I believe going the other way

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo. But it just adds now to an offense

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Speaker 1: and now you just add Digs to that mix. So

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Speaker 1: the question, Bucky for you is with that addition, does

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Speaker 1: that change any strategy for the Jaguars come draft time?

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Speaker 1: Considering all these receivers and things that are piling up

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Speaker 1: in the division. Now, does this change anything what the

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Speaker 2: I won't have a direct impact on how the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: gorbelt doing their business own draft day, but it certainly

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Speaker 2: impacts how you want to build your team. You have

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Speaker 2: to build your team to win the division. So as

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Speaker 3: The Houston Texans and what they've.

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Speaker 2: Assembled on the perimeter, go with CJ. Stroud, You got

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Speaker 2: what the Tennessee Titans have done and taking Calvin Ridley

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Speaker 2: and what they will continue to add in the draft.

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Speaker 2: You got to make sure that you have enough dbs

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Speaker 2: what they want to do with Anthony Richardson. They resigned

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, they have some young pieces, Joshtowns and some others. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just think it makes it imperative that you have

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Speaker 2: I would say over six dbs that can play and cover.

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Speaker 5: And if this is going to be a team that

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Speaker 2: Man demand team, I do think you have to get

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Speaker 2: You can't just depend on free agencies and late free

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Speaker 4: First, I think they need corners, so I'm all in

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Speaker 4: with you. Second, Bucky, I am much more of a guy,

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Speaker 4: and I get what you're saying. You got to pay

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Speaker 4: attention to the division. But why not build your team

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Speaker 4: to be the team the other teams want to beat

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Speaker 2: You follow me, I mean I I think what we're

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Speaker 2: doing is we're really talking about semantics. I think this

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Speaker 2: goes all the way back to and you know, because

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Speaker 2: you were around Bill Polling during your time in Innianapolis.

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Speaker 2: I came into the league plan for the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and the one thing that they talked about before they

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Speaker 2: ever talked about the playoffs, you got to win your division.

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Speaker 5: The team has to be built to.

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Speaker 2: Win the division because that guarantees you a ticket into

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Speaker 2: the postseason. If you're the Jaguars, you have to look

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Speaker 2: around and assess, Hey, this is what these teams have.

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Speaker 5: We're going to face each of these teams two times

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Speaker 2: For us to win, we have to make sure that

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Speaker 5: And so this is about.

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Speaker 2: So it's not only assessing your team like based on

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Speaker 2: You're not able to resign those guys. And so part

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Speaker 3: To go big in the cornerback class this year.

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Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast.

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Speaker 6: Right my budget, free is for me, Free is for me.

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Speaker 1: So that works. Hey, it is that time of year, bucket.

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Speaker 2: We've seen a handful of guys parade in and out.

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Speaker 4: And Bucky, you've been involved with this, how much you

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Speaker 4: So maybe some guys are different. Lucky, right, Fred didn't

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Speaker 6: Heuse. Yeah, they told me I really didn't need speedcam.

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Speaker 1: We can't coach you. Sorry, you were bred he is.

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast. Jap you shattered, John

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Speaker 1: Oser and Bucky Brooks. All right, Well up next the

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Speaker 1: off season program. It's right around the corner April fifteenth.

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Speaker 6: It's the best this year.

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Speaker 2: I love it. John, You know how much I love

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Speaker 1: They also are voluntary.

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Speaker 1: And then, hey, we're three weeks away from the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is snuck up on this, Buck.

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Speaker 1: What else you have to get accomplished the next three

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Speaker 2: So we're adding to the we're in the final month.

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Speaker 5: Of the process. The few things after the thirty visits.

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Speaker 5: We get all the documentation on all of these issues.

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Speaker 2: What we're trying to prevent now draft days surprises, something

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Speaker 2: you like the groups getting to order right? So when

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Speaker 2: you get to draft that you just let the board

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Speaker 2: unfold and you just kind of take the players that

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Speaker 2: are right there for you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Bucky, But I'm going to ask you this.

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Speaker 4: I get that, you know, every GM wants to airy

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Speaker 4: GM I've ever been around, wants to tell you that

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Speaker 4: they just let the board fall and then once you

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Speaker 4: get to round three, you're taking the highest guy on

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Speaker 4: your board. And yet you always look at drafts and

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Speaker 4: you know that they didn't take five offensive linemen, meaning

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Speaker 4: they're taking a little bit positions. And I guess what

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Speaker 4: I'm asking is, uh, how does the strategy take place

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Speaker 4: pre draft where they say, Okay, we're taking the highest

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Speaker 4: graded player, but we have to address corner wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: We have to I assume teams this year, for example,

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Speaker 4: are looking at, hey, there are great cornerbacks in this draft.

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Speaker 4: So and this is way I think Jabbers might be thinking,

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Speaker 4: let's take a great corner because there's really, really, really

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Speaker 4: good receivers going to be available at forty eight when

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Speaker 4: we take it. But I assume there's sort of strategy

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Speaker 4: thought that goes into that all through the draft.

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Speaker 6: Am I right? Or is it just pulling cards off

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Speaker 6: the board?

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Speaker 2: Then you're one understenter correct, and it's really a bigger question.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of things that you have to go

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Speaker 2: into the draft knowing. You've got to know where you're

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Speaker 2: strong and where you weak at. You have to know

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Speaker 2: the positions that you would like to address but you

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Speaker 2: don't want.

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Speaker 5: To reach to address those positions.

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Speaker 2: You then have to take all that information and put

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Speaker 2: it to the side, and then look at the draft

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Speaker 2: as it presents themselves.

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Speaker 5: So there are two boards that will work off of.

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Speaker 2: There's a vertical board where if we put one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty prospects on a board, we're just is ranking

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Speaker 2: them from one to one, fifty, one, two, three all

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Speaker 2: the way down. Then there's the horizontal board where it's

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Speaker 2: broken up by position groups, so your quarterbacks running back

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Speaker 2: to wide receivers, tight ends, office tackles, guards, your edge players, linebackers,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: And then those guys are ranked in order by grade.

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Speaker 2: And when you go to those situations where now you're drafting,

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Speaker 2: so we have the one hundred and fifty board where

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Speaker 2: it just tells you these are the best in order.

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Speaker 2: You're then looking to see, okay, well we've already addressed

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Speaker 2: offensive tackle. There are two positions of need. We got

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Speaker 2: cornerback and then we have wide receiver. Okay, let's look

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Speaker 2: at what's.

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Speaker 3: Available on how we have them graded.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you may have the corner graded over the

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Speaker 2: wide receiver. But how big of a difference is it.

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Speaker 2: Are we talking about.

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Speaker 5: A six seventh grade versus the six sixth grade where

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Speaker 5: you just like a.

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Speaker 3: Negligible amount, or.

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Speaker 5: Are we talking about Ay, we have someone rated at.

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Speaker 2: A seven to zero and somebody at a six five,

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Speaker 2: and those instances, you never would go for someone who's

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Speaker 2: a six ' five over a seven zero because that's

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Speaker 2: too big of a disparity. But if they're close six

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Speaker 2: seven sixty six based on need, you can make that move.

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Speaker 2: But they need to be in the right area when

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Speaker 2: it comes to assessing their talent and what their potential

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Speaker 2: will be when they get to the Jacks. So it's

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Speaker 2: a very nuanced discussion that Trimbalk and company are having

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the prospects. The players and feel

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Speaker 2: the needs, but the player's talent needs to be comparable

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Speaker 2: before you take someone that may have a lesser grade

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Speaker 2: than somebody else. You always want to take the better player.

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Speaker 6: It's basically how teams protect them from themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah from Yeah, yes, it's a decisions and if you're

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Speaker 2: on it, and if you're on it and you.

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Speaker 3: Have a real draft room where people.

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Speaker 5: Are encouraged to speak up and kind.

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Speaker 2: Of go back and forth, but then you hold people accountable, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, we were out of line. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about taking this guy who's well below some of the

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Speaker 2: other guys on.

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Speaker 5: The board, like this, this doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: This is a this is bad on ori nd because

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Speaker 3: we're deviating.

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Speaker 5: Away from the philosophy.

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Speaker 2: If we're saying we're gonna take the best player, then

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Speaker 2: we need to take the best player, and even if

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Speaker 2: it's at a position to need. So for instance, let's

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Speaker 2: just use this. So everyone has kind of gone at

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars about taking Chad Muma. Right when they took

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Speaker 2: Chad Mooma a couple of years ago after taking Devin Lloyd,

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Speaker 2: they already had forty year Louikount. Why would you take

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Speaker 2: another linebacker in that round. Well, maybe Chad movement was

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Speaker 2: graded significantly higher than anybody else on the board, and

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Speaker 2: so if you don't take him, now you're going against

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Speaker 2: your philosophy. So that's how you get into those situations

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Speaker 2: where maybe your puzzle on the outside wondering why would

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Speaker 2: they take him. They already had that position field, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: That might have been why Chad.

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Speaker 2: Mouma was to pick as opposed to somebody else. He

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Speaker 2: carried significantly higher grades than everybody else. That's why they

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Speaker 2: did it. Now, it doesn't mean that they were right.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they misevaluate him as a player, but that may

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Speaker 2: go to the thinking of why he might have been

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Speaker 2: the pick of.

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Speaker 1: A There you have it. We've got three more weeks

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Speaker 1: to discuss. Of course, we'll have, as we mentioned, the

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Speaker 1: draft party coming up at the stadium on Thursday, the

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth. That should be a fun time. Of course,

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Speaker 1: our coverage throughout the entire weekend on Jaguars dot Com

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Speaker 1: coming up as well. Bucky, Great talking to you again,

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Speaker 1: as always each and every Wednesday here on. Huddle up

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Speaker 1: and hey, let's do it again next week.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, man, let's do it next week.

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Speaker 2: And since you brought up your row type road and

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Speaker 2: your allegiance that I've never heard about basketball, I guess

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Speaker 2: I guess in the final four, I now have a

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Speaker 2: rooting interest for someone and hopefully you can go back

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Speaker 2: to back.

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Speaker 1: I saw that one coming a mile away. That's Bucky Brooks,

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