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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you, Craig, weback with us. Craig as a dream

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Speaker 1: in consciousness author, researcher, an inventor, a professional educator and

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Speaker 1: performing artist, an award winning filmmaker. His life path was

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Speaker 1: set in motion three decades ago when he nearly drowned

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Speaker 1: on a whitewater rafting trip and suddenly began recalling up

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Speaker 1: to ten dreams a day can you imagine that? And

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Speaker 1: having lucid dreams and verifiable visions of the future. Since then,

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Speaker 1: he's graduated from McGill University, participated in pioneering dream and

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Speaker 1: consciousness research at Stanford University, a hospital in Montreal. He

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Speaker 1: has also designed electronic mind development and biofeedback tools, helped

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Speaker 1: founded and produced Making Contact, which was a radio show

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Speaker 1: airing on up to two hundred and fifty stations for

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Speaker 1: more than two decades Internationally. His books include The Dreams

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Speaker 1: Behind the Music, CD Dreams and Dying Craig, Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: How are you sir? Hi? George? Great to be back

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Speaker 1: doing pretty well? Thanks great? I love these dream stories.

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Speaker 1: I know last time I was on I think you

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Speaker 1: guys closed with Louis Armstrong music. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: remember I do a dream inspired artist Armstrong. This is

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Speaker 1: amazing though. Well, we're going to get into your latest work,

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Speaker 1: the Dreams behind the music, because that has inspired so

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Speaker 1: many different artists. But dreams are amazing. But let's talk

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Speaker 1: about for new people. Talk about this episode of that

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Speaker 1: happened three decades ago. Were you nearly drowned? What happened? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess that was kind of my water set experience.

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Speaker 1: I was a good little physicist, you know, very science minded,

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Speaker 1: objective world provability research, and then pretty suddenly everything changed,

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Speaker 1: very shortly after I had this near drowning. So I

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Speaker 1: wasn't too afraid of water. I was a big swimmer kayaker,

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Speaker 1: the bumps were better. But then a surprise submersion, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then kind of everything slowed down. I guess the

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Speaker 1: fight and flight turned to this very strange piece. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm dying. This is really it, you know. I just

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Speaker 1: had this simple single thought and with it this piece

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Speaker 1: which I wouldn't expect normally when I'm drowning, But there

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Speaker 1: guess the guide must have pulled me out. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember exactly, but I rafted the rest of the day

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Speaker 1: pretty much as normal, and then I started remembering, like

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned before, many many dreams a day, sometimes

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Speaker 1: previous day's dreams in the following days. And I'd never

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Speaker 1: open where I was connecting with intuition, subconscious dreams, and

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Speaker 1: isn't it right? Right? And and that kind of dream

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Speaker 1: nobody told me that in physics class. You know, we

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Speaker 1: Certainly there's a big variation people use all these dreams

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Speaker 1: societies have been interested in dreams since the beginning of mankind? Absolutely?

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