1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: Welcome Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Thursday edition of the program. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I am 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: back here in our New York City studios tomorrow. Buckleby 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: here in NYC with me. We have got a bevy 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: of stories to dive in to with you. Trump DeSantis 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: war continues. Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Bobert go head 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: to head. We have gods Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to rich Nerds potentially going to engage in combat. Really, 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: but we begin with the news that has just broken 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: in the last ten minutes or so that I know 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: many of you have been very focused on. The reports 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: are that in day five they have now found a 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: debris field within the area that they have been searching 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: for this submersible venue vehicle that was going down to 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: the Titanic. There are five people that were on that vehicle. 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: They have been looking for it now for basically five days. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 2: There's a news conference scheduled for three o'clock Eastern, right 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: as this show will be ending. But again they do 21 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: not still know exactly what has happened, But there is 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: a report from the Coastguard that they have found a 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: debris field in the area that they have been searching 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: for that submersible, and that there is that press conference 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: scheduled for three Buck, I bet that you are like 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: me and certainly a huge percentage of our audience. I mean, 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: if you look at CNN, if you look at Fox News, 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: if you look at MSNBC, this is the story that 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: everyone is following. I think there's a huge part Buck 30 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: of just the idea, and we don't know what happened, 31 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: but the idea of these five people bull trapped on 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: this submersible, watching and they said they had ninety six 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: hours of oxygen, but watching as those hours of oxygen diminish. 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: I think it's a chilling thought to a lot of people. 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: I think many of you out there have debated with 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: each other, Hey, would you have ever gotten on this thing? 37 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: Are you interested enough in going down to see the Titanic? 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: Was this too much of a risk to have taken. 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: I think if you are a parent, you probably just 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: it makes you ill to your stomach to think about 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: one of these guys was there with his son on 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: this submersible. As bad as it might be, if you're 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: an adult who makes a choice like that to have 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: taken a kid and be in that scenario, I can't 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, Block, I can't stop 46 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: thinking about this, hitting refreshed following every aspect of this story. 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: I don't know how much you have been, but certainly 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: it's turned into sort of a meditation on risk. And 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: there have been attacks on the people and the individuals 50 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: in so many discussions points on this, and I know 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: you've been following it closely too. 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: So when you talk about submarines, because I've been reading 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: up on this, we had a couple of submariners not 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: to be confused with sub mariners, Clay, unless you're in 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 3: the UK. We had some submariners calling yesterday and reading 56 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: up on this like everybody. It's it's it's both harrowing, 57 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: it's upsetting, but it's fascinating. And there's this whole race 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: against the clock component to the story, so that that 59 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: drives a lot of attention because people realize that this 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: is a time is of the absolute essence. There's something 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: called crush depth or collapse depth, which you started to 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: run across this, and what that means is a submarine 63 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: will go to a level where the underwater pressure is 64 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: so great that it will collapse in the hull of 65 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: the submarine that it will essentially tin can squash it 66 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: in your hand in the depth of the ocean. And 67 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: that is the concern right now for this debris field 68 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: that they have found. Now people are already going to 69 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: be pointing out if your choices are to slowly asphyxiate 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: in the you know, freezing black depth of the ocean, 71 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: or to have essentially an instantaneous end, which is what 72 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: it would be. You know that there's already people weighing 73 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 3: in on that. 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even think that's remotely difficult, Buck, Like, 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: if you're having to sit there watching your oxygen dwindle, 76 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: that's the more terrifying thing, as scary as it is 77 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: to have an instaneous death. Yeah, I think, Well, some 78 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: people might hold back because it's not clear yet, But 79 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: if you're making that choice, the choice of less suffering 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: would be what a lot of people would think is 81 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: the is for a tragic outcome, the lesser. 82 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: Evil of the tragic outcomes here. But there's also been 83 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: like everything Clay We talk about this with sports, we 84 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: talk about this with Disney movies. It's all over the place. 85 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: There has to be some political angle to everything, as 86 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: we know. Yeah, and it's fascinating to see, particularly on 87 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: the left. You have a lot of individuals who are 88 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: taking this. I'm seeing people say, you know, like, why 89 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: is this getting more attention than you know if an 90 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: immigrant drowned somewhere. People are making all these comparisons online. 91 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: You're saying, it's five guys doing something pretty amazing in 92 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: the Titanic, which ties in the history component of this. 93 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: There's a billionaire down there who's an adventure. I mean, 94 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: these are things, this is what These are stories that 95 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: captivate people. I mean, you know, if someone drowns in 96 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: a bathtub, it is very sad. It is a tragedy 97 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: for that family. It's not going to be a global 98 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: news story though, even though every life lost is precious. 99 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: We understand that. Yeah. 100 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: Look, anytime people respond why I don't know why this 101 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: is a story, It's a story because people care, right, 102 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: you know this well, I see it all the time. 103 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: In running a media company, the media is going to 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: cover what people can watch the most. They look minute 105 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: by minute you know this on Fox News, on CNN, 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: on MSNBC, and see what rates, and it's not rocket science. 107 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: Whatever rates, they put more of it on. So when 108 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: people criticize this is the one area where I'll defend 109 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: the media when people criticize the media for covering a 110 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: story like this, this story, I bet if you went 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: back and tracked at Buck five days ago, four days ago, 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: I bet it was happening in like the fortieth minute 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: of an hour long newscast, and they kept looking at 114 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: the numbers and the amount of interest on its spikes, 115 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: And as every day has continued, more and more people 116 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: discuss it because it is something that is a unique 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: story in many ways without precedent. As you mentioned, it 118 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: touches on the Titanic, which is a story that is 119 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: an obsession, so many people care deeply about the Titanic. 120 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: And then I think it also turns into what I 121 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: think is fascinating, a meditation on risk, because what I've 122 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: seen so many people say this story rapidly turns into 123 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: is oh, would you have ever gotten on that submarine 124 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: and gone down there? And then it also becomes a 125 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: discussion about wealth because the discussion at well it costs 126 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to do that, and 127 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: then people say, well, why in the world would you 128 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: spend two hundred and fifty thousand dollars on that when 129 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: you people want to spend other people's money, right, That's 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: always a huge part of this discussion as well. 131 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: And well, I mean there are answers to to those 132 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: kinds of questions that you won't hear from. I hesitate 133 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: to use the word haters, but those who take a 134 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: very negative view of exploration, maybe they are haters. There 135 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: are answers to these things. I mean James Cameron, for example, 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: who has the second all time record And yes, I 137 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: know he's a big lib all the filmmakers pretty much, right, 138 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, so people are gonna say James Cameron 139 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: is so liberal, I know, but he has the second 140 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: all time record for a submarine submersion in the ocean 141 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: and some of the technology that has been you know, 142 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: to figure out this stuff and to get better at this, Yes, 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: you have to actually take risks and spend money. I mean, 144 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: this is a little bit like sure Elon Musk and SpaceX. 145 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: Remember what most recently when the latest SpaceX ship took 146 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: off and there were people who were, you know, oh, 147 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: he's such an and first of all, it's funny, right, 148 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: Elon Musk such an idiot. It's like, wow, that's interesting. 149 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: Some people have a little too much self regard. Some 150 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: of the critics out there, Elon Musk is so dumb. 151 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: You know. 152 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: The reality is that they learn a tremendous amount from 153 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: the amount of time, the duration that it's been in 154 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: the air, And so by doing extreme things, you learned 155 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 3: things that become applicable to you know, if the attitude 156 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: was don't ever do anything scary, you know, we wouldn't 157 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: have antibiotics, we wouldn't have global telecommunications, we wouldn't have satellites, 158 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: we wouldn't have we wouldn't have America. There you go. 159 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: But Joy behar Clay disagrees, and she's over at the 160 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: view slamming the hubris of this play one. 161 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 5: I don't understand the risks, particularly, I really don't. I mean, 162 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 5: I've gotten up in front of audiences drunk at two 163 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 5: in the morning, but you stand up. 164 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: That's a risk that I talk. 165 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 5: It's interesting because the Titanic itself went down because of 166 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 5: human incompetence and stupidity on the pots and the same. 167 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 6: Same with this. 168 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 5: That's the irony of it that you're going to see 169 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 5: the same thing that's happening to them, the very sad 170 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 5: and scary. 171 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: It just gives no, no, no respect for the UH, 172 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: for the the what's the what's the proper the adventurers, 173 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: the exploration spirit here. 174 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also this to me ties in very much 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: with UH, with COVID and and people may say, what 176 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: in the world do you mean by that? So much 177 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: of COVID buck was are you capable to analyze a 178 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: risk and letting people make choices about the risk that 179 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: they were willing to undertake, and you were talking about 180 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: all the things we've discovered. I would say that America, 181 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: uniquely of almost any country in the world, we have 182 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: every American who is listening to us right now, the 183 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: DNA of incredible risk takers in our blood, right in 184 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: our bodies. Because in order to come to America, a 185 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: huge majority of people said, I will get on a 186 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: ship and I will never return to everything that I 187 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: have ever seen before, because I believe in a better tomorrow. 188 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: Some people were forced to come on ships. It's true, 189 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: but other than a tiny percentage of Native Americans almost 190 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: everyone risked their entire lives. Buck, at some point in time. 191 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: We all have ancestors who said, I will risk everything 192 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: for this dream of this new country, this new land, 193 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: this America. And what seems to me to have occurred 194 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: is we have a real national failure of imagine nation 195 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: of risk of being willing to build something bigger than ourselves. 196 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: Does this make sense? I think a lot of people 197 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: feel this right now. People who go to Mars, if 198 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: we are ever able to go to Mars, are likely 199 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: to die going there. But that is a risk that 200 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: is worth taking. I mean a huge percentage of people 201 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: who tried to get to California and went to Oregon 202 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: died on the trail trying to reach for something greater. 203 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: Everybody's good. I hate to start off the show on 204 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: a down notoade here, Buck, but we're all gonna die. 205 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: To me, dying without ever having attempted to achieve something 206 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: is such an awful thought that it's worse than death. 207 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: And so when I hear these things like joy behar, 208 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: I just think this is symptomatic of our sort of 209 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 2: national fear that has taken over the entire country. 210 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: Well some of the country, Yeah, Well to be fair. 211 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, let's be fair here. We just 212 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 3: went through you know, how many millions served and chose 213 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: to serve in wars overseas. I'm not saying that's the 214 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: same as exploration, but people that are willing to risk 215 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: and even give their lives for an idea. It's really 216 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: the basis of civilization. Yes, right, Without it, you do 217 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: not have anyone standing on that wall. We're still in 218 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: take from the barbarian hordes. Right, you do not actually 219 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: have a country worth defending or that can defend itself. 220 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: So the notion that all that should really be thought 221 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 3: about is what the risk profile is to the individual 222 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: of any action that that would bring a screeching halt 223 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: of society. And I do think you see this. There 224 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: is this completely fallacious belief that the government will do 225 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: all these amazing things and no one actually has to 226 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: do anything, do you know what I mean? Yeah, Like, oh, 227 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: the government will just pay them enough taxes and we'll 228 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: tax the billionaires and then eventually we all have free 229 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: health care and no one ever feels bad about you 230 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 3: know how they look in the mist or whatever. And 231 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: it's like that's not how the world works. No, I 232 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: mean I think it is. 233 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: That's just one of the reasons why this story has 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: so captivated people. Eight hundred and two A two two 235 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: eight A two will continue to update you again Coast 236 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: Guard update update on this search coming at three weeks. 237 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: I can ask you a question before we go to 238 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: think about this one, because I want to throw an 239 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: answer out to you all time favorite explorer. 240 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm gonna think on it during the break. You 241 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: know your answer already. 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The five individuals are in this Titan deep 274 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: sea submarine that the oxygen is running out by the hour. 275 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: If it is still an intact sub. The debris field 276 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: indicates to some people the possibility or even probability, that 277 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: the sub had a catastrophic failure, because really the only 278 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: kind of failure, you know, it's either the power goes 279 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: out and maybe they can still be salvaged if there's 280 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: any damage to the hull. Rather if there's any breakage 281 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: in the hole, they all die. There's no that's it. 282 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: That's it's all over. So we're gonna update you on 283 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: that as we go. I did ask as we were 284 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: talking about the spirit of exploration as well, and I 285 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: gave Clay some time to you go. I'll go. I'll 286 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 3: go first, And I will admit this is controversial. When 287 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: I say favorite, I don't mean like the nicest, best guy. 288 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: I mean the most incredible story. Yep, because it binds 289 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: exploration with what some would argue is one of the 290 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: most improbable military campaign successes of all time, Hernan Cortes 291 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: early fifteen hundred's conquering the Aztec Empire. It's a crazy story. 292 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: This guy shows up with roughly one hundred, one hundred 293 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: to two hundred guys. I think it will it's not 294 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: a lot of them. They take on a three million 295 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: person empire and somehow overthrow the whole thing. 296 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: That's a great one. I'll give you a trio Lewis 297 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: and Clark. I've talked about this on the show. This 298 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: is our two year anniversary. Now, if you trust me 299 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: on anything, the nice. 300 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: Safe, pro American choice, no genocide involved. 301 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: No that's coming, Oh that's coming. Oh that's coming, undaunted, 302 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: courage go read it. I'll continue to tell anybody who 303 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: works in entertainment, turn it into a television series. It'll 304 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: be the greatest streaming success story. You thought that Taylor 305 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: shared in and Yellowstone in eighteen eighty three and nineteen 306 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: thirty three or whatever the heck, all the different years 307 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: are that he's built that. Uh my favorites Lewis and 308 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: Clark on the On the I don't think there's really 309 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: a negative with Lewis and Clark right for the most part. 310 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: I know there was some Native American interaction, most part 311 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: very good. By the way, We're gonna take your calls 312 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: on this sub and exploration because they've got a lot 313 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: of interesting ones coming up here in a second. But Buck, 314 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 2: I'm still a Columbus guy. I think Columbus doesn't get 315 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: enough for all. 316 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: Right, see you're not shying away from you know, they 317 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 3: call him a like a genocidal media Yeah, well, I 318 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: mean not accurate, but they really hate Columbus more than 319 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: almost And it's amazing you compare Columbus to Pizarro or Cortes. 320 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: Columbus was a boy scout buck. 321 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 2: When Columbus left, huge portions all of the intelligent people 322 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: in the world, many of them intelligent the experts of 323 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: their day thought he was just going to sail off 324 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: the side of of the world. 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Get refunds dot Com. 342 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: Slave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth. 343 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Lots of 344 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: topics to get into today. A lot of you want 345 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: to weigh in again. If you're just getting in your cars, 346 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: just starting off your time hanging out with us, encourage 347 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: you to go download the iHeartRadio app. You can also 348 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: go subscribe Clay Travis buck Sexton seek us out on podcast. 349 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: You can make sure that you are able to consume 350 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: this show no matter where you may be across the 351 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: country or frankly around the world. And a lot of 352 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: people Buck want to way in on again the news. 353 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: As we started the show, it's pretty much twenty four 354 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: to seven right now, basically, Buck, as I watch CNN, 355 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: Fox News MSNBC, they're all covering this sub and the 356 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: news from the US Coast Guard they have found a 357 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: debris field within the sub search area. They are going 358 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: to have a press conference at three pm Eastern, and 359 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people buck want to way in on 360 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: our conversation as the media has been discussing this, as 361 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: this story has become the focal point of so much 362 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: of what is going on right now in the media. 363 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: Michael in Rochester, New York. You say we're off base 364 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: with our take in the first half hour. What do 365 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: we get wrong in your opinion? 366 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 7: Uh? Yeah, I do. You know, you guys talk about 367 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 7: the risk, but you gotta you gotta compare it to 368 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 7: the reward. I don't see the reward here. I mean 369 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 7: the people that roll the Titanic originally hand reward either 370 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 7: coming to America or or they work there, or you know, 371 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 7: you're building new ships. This is worth nothing but a 372 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 7: high priced uh sight seeing tour. I mean everything. 373 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: Well, let me let me push back a little bit, Michael, 374 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: I would say, when when we're talking about the reward, 375 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: it's the technology that is developed by ocean Gate in 376 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: terms of what they can build beyond this. Right, So 377 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: the reward is that we are extending the field of 378 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: human exploration. Who knows what else might be capable from 379 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 2: the technology that designing uh, this new capsule might have created, Right, 380 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's the answer. You're you're focusing 381 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: on the risk reward of the individuals who are going 382 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: to go sight see on the Titanic. I think we 383 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: were focused more on the fact that this is capable, 384 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: this submersible exists. 385 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 7: Okay, So you're saying that the profit that they that 386 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 7: they get from running these tours will enable them to 387 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 7: develop further technology. 388 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the that's the push of 389 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: like space X, right, the idea is that this fund 390 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: Thank you Michael for collin. Look is it's a valid perspective, 391 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: and I don't think either verse are saying what Michaels 392 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: saying isn't a totally valid point of view on this. 393 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 3: It is. I think Clay and Obo see it both a 394 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 3: little differently. You know, it's it's an argument I think 395 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 3: for putting money and focus in deep sea exploration. There 396 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: are still people who will tell you that eventually deep 397 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: sea exploration for whether it's like rare earth minerals, and 398 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: there are other things that you know, uh fiber optic 399 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: cable though now it's all really going up into uh 400 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: outer space, but that there there's technological benefits from this 401 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and actually deep sea and space there 402 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: are some similarities you have to deal with in terms 403 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: of cold and and pressure and all the rest of it. 404 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, I know, I just one thing I was 405 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: checking while while our caller gave us a ring there. 406 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: We'll get to more calls here in a second. You 407 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: know that they say it was a Logitech controller that 408 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: was controlling the submarine. You know that, right, Yeah, a 409 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 3: video game, so almost think of it like a PlayStation 410 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: controller was what was driving this thing. That was what 411 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: they were using to move this thing around. And that 412 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 3: got out and Logitech's stock took like a I think 413 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: it was a billion dollar hit yesterday in value, just 414 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: because the controller was used on the submarine. 415 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Tony and Titusville has a question that I 416 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: think is somewhat interesting Buck, because he's asking why they're 417 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: so my big question on this just as a general rule, 418 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: In the same way, when we lost the Malaysian airplane, Buck, 419 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: which we still don't know exactly what happened on that thing, 420 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: And for those of you who remember that story and 421 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 2: that obsession, I find it impossible that there's not some 422 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: way that there's a constant homing device or some sort 423 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: of you know, like sownar boom that this thing has, 424 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: Like how. 425 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: Can we do this? This is if if you had 426 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: total implosion and failure of the whole system, there'd be 427 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: no electricity to power any beacon, which is why that 428 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: makes maybe it may be employed maybe total implosion. So sir, 429 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: what do you have for us? 430 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 6: Well, my question is very simple. Well, you consider how 431 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: much money was being paved. It makes one of these 432 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 6: DHC tours, not counting the owner of the company, they 433 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 6: made a million dollars in this one trip. Why isn't 434 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 6: it possible for them to be tended to a support 435 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 6: vessel on the surface, Because if they would have been, 436 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 6: they would have a constant ball of oxygenlectricity and if 437 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 6: something went wrong, they be back in. 438 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: So you're you're going, look, it's a it's an interesting question. 439 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: I just say, you're going beyond our knowledge here about 440 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: the viable technology involved. I mean, I cl have you 441 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 3: seen why because I look the original deep sea suits. 442 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 3: Everyone's seen these, right, they'd like the space astronaut looking 443 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: helmet with the tube that goes to the surface, So 444 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: you would think that that might be applicable. 445 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: My thought, and it's a great question because I had 446 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 2: the same question. Why were they not tethered in some 447 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: way to a vehicle at top? First of all, you're 448 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: talking about two miles down, so I wonder whether they're 449 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: concerned that the tether might get caught on something right, 450 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: and then the submersible cannot come back up. And also 451 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: just whether the technology with the tides, If it's two 452 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: miles straight down, does that mean that there must be 453 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: a tether that is capable of being four miles or 454 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: five miles the way that the tides would move. And 455 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: then when you get down close to the Titanic, are 456 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: you worried that if there is a tether, somehow you 457 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: get connected to something down on the bottom of the 458 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: ocean that doesn't allow you to come back up. I 459 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: would love to hear from a true submarine expert. Uh, 460 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: but you know the submarines that are built that are 461 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: nuclear subs are completely without any connection to the urface. 462 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 3: They can't go this deep. To give everyone a sense 463 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: of how the hunt for red October sub How deep 464 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: can a sub goode? You know, Triton class submarines. I 465 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: want to say like eight thousand which is the deepest 466 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: that there's a there's a special type of whale that 467 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: there's one whale that's been recorded eight thousand below. Don't 468 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: take my I don't know. I'm not a submarine. 469 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: I Buck is an expert on deep So no technology 470 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: or yes, you know, and you would think that also 471 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: there's gonna be the official, the official depth they can handle, 472 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: then the probably unofficial depth they can go to. 473 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's you're you're getting way way down there. 474 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: So and yesterday we talked to with Marianna Trench, which 475 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: is thirty thousand feet down there. The ocean is an 476 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: amazing place. 477 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: Well, we really have no idea when you hear people 478 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: who are exploration experts, we have very little knowledge of 479 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: the deep depths of the ocean because we've never been 480 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: able to actually get down to many of the deep 481 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: depths of the ocean to actually know what exists. 482 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 3: Nowt okay, I was way off. According to the interwebs here, 483 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: the Internet technology system, we have maximum depth of a 484 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: Los Angeles class nuclear sub is about three thousand feet 485 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: and I'll find out what the whale is. 486 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: I would think that would just while you look up 487 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: that I would think that the depth that the sub 488 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: can go is probably classified. 489 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: Right, This is a yes, yes, it would. The actual 490 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: depth would be cloud but I'm just saying that. So 491 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: it's in the thousands of feet, but it's nowhere near 492 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 3: twelve thousand. The I don't know even how to say this. 493 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a Couvier's or Cuvier if 494 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: we're going to go French. Couveer's beaked whale was tagged 495 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: and shown to be down at about eight eight or 496 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: nine thousand feet, which is astonishing. A whale went down 497 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: deeper than our subs go, you know, than the standard submarines. 498 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: Almost two miles. That whale almost went two miles. The 499 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: submarine the ocean gate was trying to go down twelve 500 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: thousand feet over two miles essentially from the surface. 501 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 3: So also, what is with this meters thing? You know, 502 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 3: I'm just throwing that out there for a second. It's feet, people, 503 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: We all got to get on with feet the meters thing. 504 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 3: We're the exception though, versus the metrics sign, right, and 505 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: we are America clay, But but in England don't they 506 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 3: still measure things on stones. That's even crazier to me. 507 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: You ever like hear an English person be like, I 508 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: weigh twelve stones stone. I don't even know what a 509 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 3: stone is. I mean, I know what the physical stone is. 510 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: No idea. 511 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 3: Speaking different versions of the same language. They can't even 512 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: understand each other. Scotland and Southampton, they have no idea 513 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: what's going on? 514 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 2: One more call and then we'll go to break. We'll 515 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: continue to take some of your calls. We roll through Thursday. 516 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: Jim in North Carolina, You're a big joy behar Fan. 517 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: I appreciate you calling in. 518 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 8: Hey guys, Thanks, Yeah, I was just going to comment 519 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 8: on that story you did about the Queen Joy and 520 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 8: her Snowflake Brigade, Yes, and how the l IV and 521 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 8: the information those are reacting. You got to remember that 522 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 8: the culture of that group, they have no sense of 523 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 8: rugged individualism in their world view. They have no personal responsibility. 524 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 8: They want these safe spaces. They want to be protected 525 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 8: of many kind of microaggressions or different thought lines. I've 526 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 8: went to canceling by who doesn't marsh lockstep with their thoughts. 527 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 8: So sadly, they just can't fathom these types of individuals thetain. 528 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think you're touching on something really important there, 529 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: and it's that for the collectivist mindset, individual achievement is 530 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: not to be heralded, not to be trusted, because it 531 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: takes a village clay even to the point even to 532 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: explore in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean. 533 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: They would say, you didn't build that. You know, it's 534 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: not just you. They don't like the notion of elevating 535 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: individual achievement and bravery and courage. They'd much rather think 536 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: of it as a collective endeavor. You know, the scientists 537 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: paid for by the government are going to do all 538 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: the smart things for us. 539 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: I would also point this out, Buck as we go 540 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: to break people, to think about how much of the 541 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: absence of religion increases the overall fear in the United 542 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: States and around the world, because if you don't believe 543 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: in anything larger than yourself, then you are so self 544 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: obsessed with your own mortality that you become I think, 545 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: so insanely risk averse because you're terrified that there's nothing 546 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: else I really think. I mean a lot of those explorers, 547 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: as you well know, Buck back in the thirteen fourteen, 548 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds incredibly religious because there was a money motivation, 549 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: but also the the idea was that they were saving 550 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: souls and balancing the perspective of the two. I mean, 551 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: some of the biggest and most fearless explorers in the 552 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: history of human civilization have been doing so under the 553 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: auspices of religious faith. 554 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: All right, we'll come back to this in a second. 555 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: We've also got some VIP emails to get to, So 556 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: give us a call, give us an email. 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And I 585 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: mean I mean throw down, as in a real throwdown. 586 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: There is this back and forth online. I think most 587 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: people think it's a joke, but it's still really funny 588 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: to talk about of a cage match between Zuckerberg enters 589 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 3: MMA tournaments, which is why some people say this isn't 590 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: that crazy. He does go into he's been training, he's 591 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 3: doing mixed martial arts and you know, elon I don't know. 592 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure the guy knows how to throw an elbow, 593 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: So there's there's that possibility. We'll talk about that here 594 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: coming up in a few moments. We also have the 595 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: formal censer of Adam Schiff. I mean, this is one 596 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: of those things Clay where season and I go, yeah, okay, 597 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 3: Shift is disgusting and great, but formal cen And it's 598 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: rare to get a formal censure. But we really love 599 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: on the right man. We love the strongly worded letter 600 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: that doesn't do anything. You know, we're gonna write you. 601 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 9: A memo that is gonna just blow your socks off, buddy, 602 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 9: like it just no cares man. 603 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: You know, Shift, beat him in office, take away his power. 604 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 9: Or prosecute him for being a scumbag. Find what he 605 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 9: did that's criminal, lock him up. 606 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: But censure. I just don't think it. Well, we can 607 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: talk about it. I don't think it really matters all 608 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: that much. How about this book? 609 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: Chuck in Savannah, Georgia says he spent fifteen years in 610 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: subs I think he probably has a pretty good sense 611 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: of what might be going on here better than us. Chuck, 612 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: what do you hear about this story and what should 613 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: we know from your perspective? 614 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 4: Well, everyone keeps asking how we can like lose one, 615 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: I mean the submarine force. Basically, if we don't come 616 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 4: up and tell people where we're at, I mean that 617 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 4: no one has any idea where we're at. 618 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 6: Right. 619 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 4: So like the fact that you know, people keep asking, hey, 620 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 4: where's this thing at? I mean you're looking in an 621 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 4: area that's the size of the state, right. So like 622 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 4: the fact that it's lost, I mean, if any kind 623 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: of catastrophic anything happened to it, I mean it's hard 624 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: saying where it is, Chuck. 625 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: Could we lose a nuclear submarine like the United States 626 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: like that, if they had something catastrophic happened to one 627 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 2: of our submarines, wouldn't we know where it is? I'm 628 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: just curious, Like you spent fifteen years there, wouldn't we 629 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't someone know where it was? 630 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 4: I knew where it was at, but they wouldn't know 631 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: exactly where it was at. 632 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess a big part of the advantage of 633 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: the of the s since the beginning of submarines. The 634 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: whole point is stealth and surprise, right, hard to find 635 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: and easy to ambush at sea. Chuck, though, this notion 636 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 3: of the the tin can crush if you will. It's 637 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 3: a harsh way of putting it, but that is that. 638 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 3: I mean when they when they say it imploded with 639 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 3: that much force, how does that even like, how does 640 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 3: that work? You know what I mean? 641 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 4: I mean the last one we lost was in nineteen 642 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 4: sixty eight, so I mean, and I mean it was 643 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 4: like instantaneous. So I mean it'd it dropped down and 644 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 4: then it just it just happens, does it? 645 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 3: But does it compact the whole thing into a much 646 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 3: smaller like does its mass all come packed down? 647 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: Not? 648 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, kind of, but not really. I mean, 649 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 4: it's it's going to smash down, but it's not gonna 650 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 4: it's I mean, it doesn't even Look at the Titanic. I 651 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 4: mean it's twelve thousand feet down. I mean, it's still 652 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 4: a huge mask. But I mean, you know, the organic 653 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 4: mass is gonna smash. I mean, you're taking you know, 654 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 4: you gotta do the map on it. Right, it's twelve 655 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 4: thousand feet down, you know, you ten every atmosphere is 656 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 4: thirty three feet right, so you know every that whatever 657 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 4: depth that is, you know, so thirty three feet times 658 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 4: whatever it is. 659 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: So, Chuck, you spent fifteen years in a submarine. Would 660 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: you have gone in this device? Would you have gone 661 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: underwater in it? 662 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 4: Probably? 663 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 7: Not? 664 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: Yeah? 665 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: And okay, thank you for the call, John, and Charleston. 666 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: He's also a long time submariner. However, you want to 667 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: pronounce submarine or that's what got I got, I got 668 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: lit up yesterday. 669 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 3: Submariner. 670 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: Yes, John, you said a tether would be impossible. We 671 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 2: got to asked this question and weren't smart enough to 672 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 2: answer it. 673 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 10: Oh, yes, there's no winner. 674 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 4: You could. 675 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 10: Tether would have to be every especially if it was 676 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 10: trying to supply oxygen, it would have to be Joe 677 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 10: Strom to withstand that fifty seven hundred pounds for square 678 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 10: is that's down there. And I mean just there's no 679 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 10: doubt that they imploded. I mean, it only takes a 680 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 10: pinhole leak that thing to implode. I mean, it's just instantaneously. 681 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 10: I mean, you're gonna die. That's the way to die, 682 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 10: because you don't even know what to hitch it there. 683 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 10: But there's's probably reason they couldn't find it, because there's 684 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 10: probably little tiny pieces of it down there. 685 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 3: Well, that goes thank you for calling in, John. That 686 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 3: goes with the theory right now about some records that 687 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: has been found. So we don't have any updates beyond 688 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 3: that right now. We'll continue to watch this though closely. 689 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 3: We've also got something else here, Justice Alito publishes You Now, 690 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 3: we got a big Supreme Court decision that's supposed to 691 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 3: come out today tomorrow, play right, I mean soon, maybe 692 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 3: next week. Justice Alito comes out swinging pro publica trying 693 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 3: to attack him and really attack the conservative majority on 694 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 3: the court. Spend some time breaking that down for you, 695 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 3: and we'll continue to watch the submarine story. So stay 696 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 3: with us. 697 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: F