Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: twelve thirty four a m. In the heavy Side Layer
Speaker 1: and you're listening to Night Call. Welcome to Nightcall, a
Speaker 1: podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. My name
Speaker 1: is Emmily Orshida. I am here in Los Angeles. City
Speaker 1: of Stars were two of my favorite right shining stars
Speaker 1: City of Pods, Molly Lamber. Molly Lambert and Tessalynch. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: today we're gonna have a very chill, relaxed episode of Nightcall.
Speaker 1: It's the middle of summer, um. I think you know,
Speaker 1: the East Coast just got through with a very brue
Speaker 1: will heat wave. I feel like everybody's just kind of
Speaker 1: feeling the heat in general right now, the heat. So
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna we're gonna do a chill to a
Speaker 1: little night sessh right now. Yeah. We wanted to talk
Speaker 1: last week in our last podcast about some self care
Speaker 1: tips that we had kind of found our way too,
Speaker 1: and then we ended up bumping it to this week.
Speaker 1: But it's perfect because I'm in the mood to talk
Speaker 1: about self care. I'm sitting in front of a giant
Speaker 1: salad um. Yeah, we said today all all rules are off.
Speaker 1: Our famously formal podcast has even less structure today than usual. Um,
Speaker 1: and I went on a podcast hosted by Kate Raft
Speaker 1: and Drew Spears called this podcast is self Care? Was it?
Speaker 1: It was great? Everybody should listen to it? Was it
Speaker 1: self care? Did it feel self caring? Yeah? And they
Speaker 1: specified that that is it's the only podcast that if
Speaker 1: you listen to it, it is self care. But then
Speaker 1: they said, also night call count thank you listening, and
Speaker 1: I call your self care. Do you guys remember when
Speaker 1: we did a Hoodies episode where we didn't have the
Speaker 1: table and we just were on bean bags or something. Yes,
Speaker 1: we were. We did a floor pod. We did a
Speaker 1: floor pod in low light. We should do that. It
Speaker 1: was great. We can. We're gonna do more field recording
Speaker 1: episodes for sure, slumber party pods. It just it changes
Speaker 1: your voice, I think when you're like in a reclining pose. Yeah, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was great. We'll bring it back next time.
Speaker 1: Reclining is self care. Reclining is self care. Everything counts
Speaker 1: as self care in a way, it is not actually
Speaker 1: self care for me right now, Like I'm having a
Speaker 1: hard time lying down because clining, sitting up straight of
Speaker 1: self care for you right now? Or it's like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what it is? What is though, because I've
Speaker 1: been writing in a lot of lifts out here and
Speaker 1: that's also not fun, Like I have to be kind
Speaker 1: of I don't know, I have to have like lumbar support.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm eighty year. Is that self grandparenting?
Speaker 1: Self grandparenting? Yeah, it's saying, you know what, my back hurts,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to tend to it instead of pretending
Speaker 1: I can just soldier. Self grandparenting was the concept I
Speaker 1: brought to Kate Raft and do Spirits podcast, but they
Speaker 1: have had other guests talk about such topics as going outside,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, um Joan Hailey Ford, who is a person
Speaker 1: I really like, did she did something about selfiees of
Speaker 1: self care? How? Because I think it's like they're not.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like confronting and accepting your like
Speaker 1: documenting yourself as you are instead of being like I
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it because I don't want to be like imperfect,
Speaker 1: just me and like here's what I look like. Here,
Speaker 1: I am world, I'm great. I do those on the
Speaker 1: um on the photo Booth app on the on the
Speaker 1: computer a lot, and I was really kind of bummed
Speaker 1: because I lost my computer at the end of last
Speaker 1: year and I had all of these just disk top
Speaker 1: selfies basically that I had taken usually I was like
Speaker 1: writing something or just sort of procrastinating and just hanging
Speaker 1: out and like my hoodie and my living room or something,
Speaker 1: and so they were not like nice pictures. It was
Speaker 1: just like, here's my domb face today. And I had
Speaker 1: this like huge stream of them, and I lost them
Speaker 1: and it kind of felt like losing a diary a
Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, oh, I mean, nobody'll ever
Speaker 1: see those. But still I like the low rez photo
Speaker 1: booth pictures I have. I have a bunch of those
Speaker 1: from a while ago. But then my mom, it's my
Speaker 1: computer is really old. And now I have like a
Speaker 1: smudge that won't go away, so I look like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm too ghosty. It's a little spooky. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like we talked about this a lot, but it's like
Speaker 1: the idea that tech would be this way to archive
Speaker 1: everything forever has clearly proven to be not true and
Speaker 1: so very ephemeral. I got really sad also because tiny
Speaker 1: pick was going down now oh man, it was like
Speaker 1: tiny pick like an institution. I didn't even realize some
Speaker 1: of these things would could go go away, just people
Speaker 1: places you hosted. I want to know your favorite forms
Speaker 1: of self care. Well, I told you guys that I
Speaker 1: have recently, as in the past week, gotten into face massage.
Speaker 1: Self face massage, which if you look on YouTube you
Speaker 1: can find a bunch of ladies who will show you
Speaker 1: what's it called, like MYO Fascial, MYO face Show. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like a lot of them have this book
Speaker 1: that this um this Korean book that like they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to read this, but I found
Speaker 1: this and it's got these amazing things, and so a
Speaker 1: lot of it is kind of like the same. It's
Speaker 1: like the same kind of pseudo science of like a
Speaker 1: fake face rollers and stuff where you're just sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a real function to that
Speaker 1: stuff that has nothing to do with like jade or
Speaker 1: like rose courts or whatever they make these rollers out
Speaker 1: of that supposedly like calm your wrinkles or something like.
Speaker 1: Isn't it like lymphatically drainage? It's your lymphatic system. So
Speaker 1: you have all these like lymph nodes on the sides
Speaker 1: of your face and some here on like what's this
Speaker 1: called here, like not your temples, but actually there I
Speaker 1: think there are some on your temples. And so if
Speaker 1: you're like not getting rest or you're just like you know,
Speaker 1: not taking care of yourself, or you're dehydrated and stuff like,
Speaker 1: you can get kind of like puffy, and so you
Speaker 1: can you know, massage that out. You don't need a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollar jade roller from group. But um, but
Speaker 1: I find it very very calming, like because you're just
Speaker 1: sort of mirroring. Like there's this like Russian lady who
Speaker 1: does them, who I find very calming, and you just
Speaker 1: sort of mirror her because she does it in real
Speaker 1: time and it's just like my brain just like drifts
Speaker 1: off to another planet while I do it. Here's my
Speaker 1: problem with lymphatic massage. Because I got really into this.
Speaker 1: I noticed there was something of someone posted a picture
Speaker 1: or something where they did it to half their face
Speaker 1: and not to the other half, and they were definitely
Speaker 1: like less puffy and looked all dowy on the side
Speaker 1: where they've done it. But then I started doing it,
Speaker 1: and I the more I started thinking about my lymph nodes.
Speaker 1: The more I started to become a crazy hypochondriac. And
Speaker 1: then I started reading people being like, oh, yeah, so
Speaker 1: and the stuff will drain into like your lower lymph nodes,
Speaker 1: so they might be swollen, and don't freak out. It's like,
Speaker 1: don't freak out tests, don't freak out. But it was
Speaker 1: totally freaking out. I have to do one. There's the
Speaker 1: last step is to go down and like, I guess
Speaker 1: they can all go into your chest or something. But
Speaker 1: then isn't that bad? It sounded so scary. Also, I
Speaker 1: would be like, wow, I have to see the dentist,
Speaker 1: Like what does it mean if it hurts my jaw?
Speaker 1: Like I have to see the Like this is not
Speaker 1: I find it like a little intimidating because I feel
Speaker 1: like those spot First of all, it just makes you
Speaker 1: think about the fact that there's a skull inside your head.
Speaker 1: There's so much stuff. I love. It makes you think
Speaker 1: about like how the bones are in there a lot,
Speaker 1: and it just feels so weird when you touch it.
Speaker 1: It's almost like I shouldn't be doing this right, Like
Speaker 1: when you touch your belly button, you're sort of like something.
Speaker 1: There's like I'm not supposed to go here. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I love I love the fac thing. I mean I
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to think about every once
Speaker 1: in a while is that I'll never get to see
Speaker 1: my own skeleton. And like everybody's skeleton, but your own theory,
Speaker 1: why don't you like envision a better world? Or maybe
Speaker 1: you will so. I actually see this amazing glass sculpture
Speaker 1: yesterday that somebody posted where it was a glass sculpture
Speaker 1: of a person's soul leaving their body. It was like
Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever seen. But like, what if
Speaker 1: your skeleton just like, yeah, you could. I guess you could,
Speaker 1: like um, do a mapping of it and then make
Speaker 1: it out of fiberglass or but depending on what kind
Speaker 1: of imaging you used, you'd be exposing yourself to a
Speaker 1: ton of radiation and then your skeleton would be its
Speaker 1: days would be numbered, I guess. And I get to
Speaker 1: see that skelet that's true. I really want to see
Speaker 1: my skeleton. I can imagine what mine looks like, but
Speaker 1: it might be surprising. Do you think you have a
Speaker 1: really good one? I don't know. We'll see your own skull. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see my school because I feel like
Speaker 1: my head is so huge, and so I'd like to
Speaker 1: really see what it has been the body world. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I've never in I keeping it well, it is interesting
Speaker 1: and bad. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. And then
Speaker 1: all the people that they use for the because they
Speaker 1: say the corpses are donated willingly, the original supposedly, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're supposedly originally, but also the guy who made it up,
Speaker 1: like they show pictures of him and he looks like
Speaker 1: the Nazi from Rachel's Lost art. You know, he's like
Speaker 1: an Austrian scientist or something, and they're like, he invented plastinization,
Speaker 1: the process of turning bodies into plastics. But then one
Speaker 1: of the things I've heard is that the bodies they
Speaker 1: use now are bodies of prisoners in China, specifically people
Speaker 1: who are in Fallon Goong. M h really yes, So
Speaker 1: when Falon Gong is doing their protests and being like
Speaker 1: the Chinese government is like fucking you know, putting us
Speaker 1: in prison and like killing people, maybe that's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you want to call in and and somebody us
Speaker 1: a show Young and Fallonong expert um because I when
Speaker 1: everybody was doing the shen Yon memes, I was like,
Speaker 1: everyone's going to get into fallonong is self care because
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised white people haven't tried to ruin
Speaker 1: taichi more yet. You know they have tried, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: just like it's because taichi doesn't make you hot, you
Speaker 1: know it though, like yoga and everything else, if you
Speaker 1: can find a vanity angle of it, then it will
Speaker 1: get co opted. Tchi does make you hot because it's
Speaker 1: like constant movement. I just feel like it's so in
Speaker 1: the goop sphere that they would be like your energy
Speaker 1: is flowing that they would like ruin it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: weird how resistant it's been. Yeah, it's interesting. Um. I
Speaker 1: not not that these things are related at all, but
Speaker 1: because I've been having this back trouble, I did. I
Speaker 1: was walking around where I'm staying in l A and
Speaker 1: I did go by a chiropracticum place, and I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: what if this is the time, maybe what if they
Speaker 1: make it work bird I've never I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: a backcracker at all. It could be that I have
Speaker 1: like a hundred cracks in my back and no not
Speaker 1: on my back, on your back, M I have phone
Speaker 1: role in my back. But I don't do it regular
Speaker 1: I do it regularly, and it changed my life. I'm
Speaker 1: like evangelist for foone roll. When the last time I
Speaker 1: went to visit my parents, my mom was like, she
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, I have something for you. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what's it going to be? And she
Speaker 1: came dragging this foam roll in the kitchen and was
Speaker 1: like lie down, and I was like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to. She was like, lie down, It'll change
Speaker 1: your life. But I was so scared. I was like,
Speaker 1: what is this. She didn't say what it was, and
Speaker 1: I've never done it before, and she's like, now you're
Speaker 1: sinking into the floor. I was like, it was too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much for you. I mean, it is a lot.
Speaker 1: It is. It's like it's like massaging your face, but
Speaker 1: for your body. Right. But the thing about the doing
Speaker 1: the back on the phone roller is that you do
Speaker 1: have to keep your body somewhat stiff in order to
Speaker 1: like actually do the role. So I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like that's a little bit it self defeating. Like I
Speaker 1: do my legs, like I'll do like my quads and
Speaker 1: my butt and stuff, because you can just kind of
Speaker 1: like relax on it and just like turn yourself into
Speaker 1: jelly and go over the thing. But um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You can also do it with like a tennis ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that one. It's just like it makes me
Speaker 1: feel like a cat in a way that I love.
Speaker 1: You know, it like combines a lot of things I like,
Speaker 1: and it does really fuck me up, Like I find
Speaker 1: that I will be like drooling by that and something.
Speaker 1: That's That's what scares me a lot is that it's
Speaker 1: like it's such a potent feeling. It seems like it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be available that easily. Now. I've been looking into
Speaker 1: it because I keep being like, is there any scientific Like,
Speaker 1: is there anything scientific to this? Because all sports medicine
Speaker 1: is very opaque to me. You know, rhyslactic acid, that's real,
Speaker 1: I know. But anytime anyone talks about like how exercise works,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's crazy. I don't know what you're talking.
Speaker 1: You know, releases. This always gets me in a weird
Speaker 1: thing about rab dough and CrossFit it where you know
Speaker 1: about that where it's I mean, there are just it's
Speaker 1: a horrible hole to go down where you can read
Speaker 1: people's experience and part of my self cares that. I
Speaker 1: think people need to stop maximizing themselves, right. I just
Speaker 1: hate the trend towards like full optimization of like every
Speaker 1: moment of your life is like scheduled towards a target goal,
Speaker 1: and like every time you're not working out, you're like
Speaker 1: relaxing in a cryod chamber. Why do you guys think about,
Speaker 1: like um standing desks or jim balls for a chair.
Speaker 1: I hate them, honestly, I hate them, both of them.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I was not expected. I was wondering where
Speaker 1: you are going? I find not Where do you guys
Speaker 1: like to do work? I'm always outside on my back
Speaker 1: And it's true though I do, but outside is good too.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, if I just have to read stuff,
Speaker 1: I love having the excuse to just go to the
Speaker 1: park and lie down and read for I do work
Speaker 1: in my car a lot. Interesting. Yeah, my cars my
Speaker 1: office because it's just like a contained small there's not
Speaker 1: much to distract do, Like all my interviews out of
Speaker 1: my car interesting, like phone interviews. Yeah, because I don't
Speaker 1: have a Like my house is not a place I
Speaker 1: can get work done. For some reason, I just then
Speaker 1: I want to like I get distracted by like I
Speaker 1: have to do chores. This is the thing I miss
Speaker 1: about having cars and being in l A is that
Speaker 1: you do kind of have your own little personal closet
Speaker 1: that you can drive around in, keep your stuff in,
Speaker 1: like make phone calls. Right, Like, that's close as I'll
Speaker 1: ever get to like a coworking space, because I just
Speaker 1: like the idea of tend freeway is your coworking space.
Speaker 1: I have a back porch where I where I do
Speaker 1: my my like work, but it's I do a lot
Speaker 1: of it from home and over the summer when both
Speaker 1: of my kids are home where it's really awkward because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna go work outside. Stay inside, don't
Speaker 1: come outside, and there's like soccer balls and like a
Speaker 1: dome to climb on. I'm like, no, you can't have
Speaker 1: it because now I'm outside. Better to delineate space his
Speaker 1: home as being like this is the place where things
Speaker 1: get done because you're like, it's also the place where
Speaker 1: I sleep and cook and do all the other things. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. Um. This is actually a very
Speaker 1: big self care thing that I learned probably a while ago,
Speaker 1: like maybe eight years or ten years ago or something.
Speaker 1: Don't try to get anything done in your bedroom or
Speaker 1: the area where you sleep, sleep for you forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just so you can. You have to compartmentalize, like this
Speaker 1: is my place where I rest, and like the more
Speaker 1: that you can keep that. And also like I find
Speaker 1: like the less stuff I have in my room, which
Speaker 1: is kind of impossible impossibility in my current apartment, but
Speaker 1: in general I like to keep my room pretty empty
Speaker 1: of things to look at. Um, I can like finish
Speaker 1: things at my house, I just can't start them. I
Speaker 1: have to leave the house to start at. This is
Speaker 1: none of this is self care. We're talking about being productive.
Speaker 1: What happens when you try and self care. This is
Speaker 1: the modern conundrum though. This is like the mindfulness thing.
Speaker 1: Well that's like this is also the self grandparenting thing.
Speaker 1: I decided on was I was like, you can't be
Speaker 1: productive all the time, and like it just sucks to
Speaker 1: like feel bad about yourself when you're not being productive
Speaker 1: because it's so out of your control for the most
Speaker 1: part for so many people. Um, and the world might
Speaker 1: end because the climate change. So take up all those
Speaker 1: great hobbies, take those walks and gardens, do that, do
Speaker 1: all the early retirement stuff that you fantasize about doing. Later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is you know to wrap up self care? Molly?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite self care? Wow? Something, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: something I want to get into. My favorite self care
Speaker 1: is chopping vegetables and cooking. I love cooking or like
Speaker 1: doing food prep for your It's productive, but it's also
Speaker 1: like you're taking care of yourself because you're going to
Speaker 1: eat better that week. Yeah. I just like prepping that,
Speaker 1: like prepping meals totally. Always like that. I guess I
Speaker 1: also worked in kitchens and I liked it then too.
Speaker 1: I just find it calming. Um. But something I want
Speaker 1: to get into stained glass. I just decided took a
Speaker 1: stained glass class this them or did she like finishing it?
Speaker 1: She did not. She told me it was not really
Speaker 1: what she expected and she probably wouldn't stick with it.
Speaker 1: She was glad she didn't like go all in and
Speaker 1: get all the supplies. And I'm talking more about just
Speaker 1: like buying one and like painting it. Ok. She is
Speaker 1: doing the stuff where you have the pieces of glass
Speaker 1: and you arrange them and then you do the like soddering. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to get into soldering.
Speaker 1: I think I just want to paint on some glass.
Speaker 1: Yeah about what about you mento gardening right now? But
Speaker 1: also just I think we've talked a lot about this
Speaker 1: and just cutting stuff down with a saw. Um. I
Speaker 1: had a stressful day yesterday and I ended up buying
Speaker 1: so much mulch. It was like, that's also part of
Speaker 1: it is that I buy all this mulch that is
Speaker 1: so hard to carry, and then I'm like, curry yourself
Speaker 1: and I like carry it, and then I just like
Speaker 1: we'll carry it in buckets, you know, to and fro,
Speaker 1: and there's like no real point in my mind. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well it you know, it helps plants retain water, and
Speaker 1: it like eventually breaks down into nutrients and stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's really just that I want to carry heavy stuff
Speaker 1: around but not own more stuff or do anything complicated,
Speaker 1: not in a cross fit way. It's like a kid
Speaker 1: when a kid is like you want to like just
Speaker 1: you bring like the bucket goes over here, and it's
Speaker 1: just very it's to arrange things. I know. I'm into pruning.
Speaker 1: I also am obsessed with like controlling the ants right
Speaker 1: now because it's aunt season and I normally am very
Speaker 1: I try and be very respectful of every living but
Speaker 1: those cants, I'm mowed down. I went outside with white
Speaker 1: vinegar and castile so open like blasted them because they
Speaker 1: were like near the doors and it was just starting
Speaker 1: to they were encroaching. Um So my self care is
Speaker 1: aunt murder, but not always just seasonally. My self care
Speaker 1: doesn't cost any lives. But okay, um no, I I
Speaker 1: mean the gardening thing in a very small scale way,
Speaker 1: like I'm is uh and now it's sort of not
Speaker 1: really relevant anymore because all of my stuff kind of
Speaker 1: withered for the summer. But um, I did just do
Speaker 1: like window boxes on my fire escape and like having
Speaker 1: that because usually spend the first part of my day
Speaker 1: in the kitchen where we had those. So I would
Speaker 1: just like have some time in the morning where I
Speaker 1: would just like check on everything. I would kind of
Speaker 1: trim stuff. I would pull out little weeds that had
Speaker 1: popped up in it. Like it was very It felt
Speaker 1: like having one of those gardening games or like fill
Speaker 1: or something, because it was something that I could literally
Speaker 1: like this, this is how far I had to reach
Speaker 1: out to get to the end of it. So I
Speaker 1: could and I just had like a rugela I still
Speaker 1: have um basil and meant that I'm growing there. But um,
Speaker 1: I tried to grow peppers, but they're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: But so hard with the Everybody says peppers are easy.
Speaker 1: I've never had luck with pepper. Our peppers are just
Speaker 1: like failing right now. I don't know why. But one
Speaker 1: time I got those ornamental peppers from Trader Joe's. They
Speaker 1: have those like ornamental pepper plants, and I had them
Speaker 1: on a table and we had a guest over and
Speaker 1: he just started eating the But by the time we
Speaker 1: noticed he had eaten so many, we didn't want to
Speaker 1: be like, oh stop, they're not edible, they're like probably poisonous.
Speaker 1: So we just let him eat all the peppers off
Speaker 1: the plant. Just never said anything. I feel bad about that.
Speaker 1: They're still alive. Yeah, unlike those ants. I just want
Speaker 1: to take a nightcall. Yeah, we got a good night
Speaker 1: call this week. But it has a video component and
Speaker 1: so we'll share it on our social media. Well wherever
Speaker 1: you follow us. You can't find it there because it
Speaker 1: is a very good video. Um, it is a ghost
Speaker 1: is a ghost video. It is a ghost video. Bring
Speaker 1: it up. Do you want me to read it? I haven't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, Okay, So this comes from Alex, Hey,
Speaker 1: night call. My friend recently moved to Italy and her
Speaker 1: family went along to help her get settled in. Here
Speaker 1: is a video the security camera picked up from inside
Speaker 1: the house while they were all out of the country.
Speaker 1: What does it look like to you? Just six weeks
Speaker 1: before she moved, her cherished pet bunny Slumber, died of
Speaker 1: old age. I know you can't play the video on
Speaker 1: the podcast, but I thought you might enjoy it anyway.
Speaker 1: It might be best to you on a phone. I'm
Speaker 1: worried the video will get blurry and transit. I mean,
Speaker 1: it looked pretty good to me. Attached, we have two
Speaker 1: pictures and a video of what is unmistakably a ghost.
Speaker 1: Bun like leaps from it looks like it's kind of
Speaker 1: leaping from a kitchen counter across the living room. Is
Speaker 1: a ghost? Did you watch the video? I'll play it
Speaker 1: right now. Oh my god. I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a bunny. Oh my god, it is. There's
Speaker 1: no questions. It is also like, thank you for bringing
Speaker 1: this to us first. I mean maybe maybe it's because
Speaker 1: you haven't met a good ghostbuster in Italy yet. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would say ghostbuster in Italian.
Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting the that the bunny, even
Speaker 1: though the bunny apparently what I can gather from this email,
Speaker 1: died uh where she used to live, but then she
Speaker 1: moved to Italy and the bunny came with her spirit
Speaker 1: like that. That feels very different from especially from like
Speaker 1: all the ghost stories that you know are in Um
Speaker 1: where they caught the place. Yeah, it feels very place
Speaker 1: oriented and can stay in a place even if the
Speaker 1: place fundamentally changes, like there's no longer a house there,
Speaker 1: or the original structure is just different. But this, this
Speaker 1: bunny made a trip. Maybe pets can kind of attach
Speaker 1: themselves to you, oh, to owners. Yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good yeah, because I guess pets probably care more about
Speaker 1: their owners than they do about whatever place they're in. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd like to think. So. I had a
Speaker 1: pet bunny in high school named Diana who died of pneumonia,
Speaker 1: and it was like a really it was really sad.
Speaker 1: And then there was you know, when I was like
Speaker 1: living in the country UM as a kid, there were
Speaker 1: bunnies that would get abandoned and we would like try
Speaker 1: and rescue them. They're very fragile, bunnies. If you have
Speaker 1: a bunny who's dying of old age, you've done a
Speaker 1: very good job by that bunny. But I literally just
Speaker 1: watched that video like fifteen times in a row because
Speaker 1: it's it is it just very clearly isn't a ghost
Speaker 1: animal leaping from the kitchen island? Funny? Real good? We'll
Speaker 1: share with everybody. Um, can I bring up the thing
Speaker 1: that I've kept I mentioned you guys before we did
Speaker 1: our our meet up the other my horrible nightmare that
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um, this is unrelated, but just I mean
Speaker 1: it's in the realm of like paralnormal is stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: I had what at the time, like for a few seconds,
Speaker 1: I thought was asleep paralysis with a shadow person involved. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, real true heads of night call. Remember that
Speaker 1: was like one of our first recurring topics. But I
Speaker 1: was having a dream. And I know it's so bored
Speaker 1: to talk about your dreams of other people, but like
Speaker 1: I was having a dream that was very vivid for
Speaker 1: me and also very literal. Usually my dreams are very abstract,
Speaker 1: so it was a very clear, normal, logical dream. I
Speaker 1: was like at a at a kind of like some
Speaker 1: kind of hostile or retreat or something, and I was
Speaker 1: trying to get breakfast and then I saw this thing
Speaker 1: come from behind this woman I was talking to that
Speaker 1: was like like it would have been as tall as
Speaker 1: this room. Basically just like the outline of a person
Speaker 1: that was pitch black and kind of had like a
Speaker 1: grainy outline to it and started walking towards me and
Speaker 1: I in the dream, I screamed, and it was this
Speaker 1: thing of like something wasn't I felt. I felt like
Speaker 1: it was not from my dream. It felt like an
Speaker 1: outside thing intruding into my dream. And I like wrenched
Speaker 1: myself out of sleep and like felt like I couldn't
Speaker 1: move for five seconds, but then eventually could. But it
Speaker 1: was like it was truly I've never had a dream
Speaker 1: like that. This was way before, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe eventually were like like like trying to get free.
Speaker 1: Also just want to say, Caustbusters and Italian is called
Speaker 1: a fantasm me. That's so cute, Sonny. But it made me.
Speaker 1: It made me newly appreciate all those stories that we
Speaker 1: were talking about and your encounter also test because I
Speaker 1: was like, that's actually the freakiest thing. It's it's very
Speaker 1: free that I can imagine like even though that wasn't
Speaker 1: really truly a shadow person and it was, but you
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, I don't know. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: was such a vivid dream it wasn't scary. Dream is
Speaker 1: the scariest thing in the world. And yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just like, no, wonder like if you were like if
Speaker 1: you were fully awake and lucid and you saw a
Speaker 1: thing where you couldn't see its face or it's just
Speaker 1: like a black figure, Like, no, it's the worst. It's
Speaker 1: the worst. So I have a new appreciation for good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's one of the things that I still it's
Speaker 1: one of those rare moments where you like have this
Speaker 1: kind of like blurry memory of you know, like your
Speaker 1: experience of college, and there's like a few things that
Speaker 1: flow to the top, and I'm like, that's still one
Speaker 1: of my most prominent memories of like that time of
Speaker 1: my life, which I wish it weren't, but it's such
Speaker 1: a it was such a like weird, just like a
Speaker 1: completely unexplainable Yeah, And I think I think also like
Speaker 1: it's like I guess it's the same as like an
Speaker 1: accent or something like if you got suddenly like hit
Speaker 1: by a car or something. I feel like that would
Speaker 1: have a similar place, just because it's something from so
Speaker 1: outside of your control and like what you're involved in,
Speaker 1: Like it's something that just sort of invades your life.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I wonder what the dream meant. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I was. I was getting irritated in this dream,
Speaker 1: like because I was late to like a breakfast buffet
Speaker 1: at a like a hotel, like a continental breakfast type thing,
Speaker 1: and I had a plate and I was getting ready,
Speaker 1: and then this woman just like took a like a
Speaker 1: hot like a steam tray of eggs, like oh for me?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was about was my proday
Speaker 1: for the day, and like what do I now? And
Speaker 1: then I saw the thing come from there was a
Speaker 1: nightmare about protein. Um yeah, I don't want to fully
Speaker 1: open up nightcalled to people calling about their dreams because
Speaker 1: that's I feel like a whole other rabbit hole we
Speaker 1: could go down very quickly. But if you have any
Speaker 1: good particularly scared, any good sleep paralysis stories, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: or lucid dreaming dreaming. I don't have those kind of
Speaker 1: dreams or nightmares because I smoked too much pot. I
Speaker 1: smoke a ton of pot, and I still have dreams
Speaker 1: in nightmares, I have nightmares. If I stopped smoking POT,
Speaker 1: I immediately start having the most vivid nightmares. Um. If
Speaker 1: I'm ever like on a trip and I am taking
Speaker 1: a break from pot, I will start having those nightmares
Speaker 1: so fast it makes me afraid to go to sleep
Speaker 1: night Marion Home Street because I've heard because I would
Speaker 1: always be like pot, like stop dame from having dreams.
Speaker 1: And then my brother would be like, that's a good
Speaker 1: anti drug slogan because it mostly two levels. But speaking
Speaker 1: of two levels, there are two trips to the Canty Valley.
Speaker 1: Yeah there, I was going to say there are two levels,
Speaker 1: the heavy side layer, the heavy side layer, heavy side Layer,
Speaker 1: and Kitty Heaven. I think it's the other layer. We are,
Speaker 1: of course talking about cats, cats, jellical cats and jellical
Speaker 1: jellical cats. Jellical cats. I don't know that cats coal cats.
Speaker 1: Um the trailer for Cats open. Uh. What came on
Speaker 1: the internet? I guess dropped on the internet earlier this week.
Speaker 1: When did it? When did it come out? Because I
Speaker 1: didn't mind it for like two days. It was guys,
Speaker 1: it's been talked about so much. What we have to
Speaker 1: talk about it and we hate to beat a dead cat. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but why can't Why did they only have two boobs?
Speaker 1: Cats have far more rest than two. They looked at this,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is all like it's been said, it's
Speaker 1: been said, but it's like, I hate the fact that
Speaker 1: this is in the world. I hate the fact that
Speaker 1: they look so nude. I don't know, counterpoint, it's perfect
Speaker 1: per have you So, so I've seen Cats, I've never
Speaker 1: seen it. You've never seen cats? You saw Cats? No,
Speaker 1: I've never seen I've seen Like I looked through the YouTube.
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the soundtrack, and I've seen like high
Speaker 1: school productions on YouTube. Because finally I was like, screw it,
Speaker 1: I need to see Cats. But I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go to any trouble. So I just patch worked it
Speaker 1: together and was like, oh I hate this, like I
Speaker 1: love it. Oh yeah, Like, well, if you're going to
Speaker 1: really get this said of what a play is at
Speaker 1: its core, you need to look up like the jan Keest,
Speaker 1: like parent cell Phone whatever. I've watched a lot of
Speaker 1: your Good Man Charlie Brown that way. For some reason,
Speaker 1: Cats is the most eighties thing of all time besides
Speaker 1: Phantom of the opera. Well they're all, they're all And
Speaker 1: I'm me thinking about that too, because I was like,
Speaker 1: does this mean they're going to like make Missigon next,
Speaker 1: Like that's never been Like how is it still legal
Speaker 1: to show miss I know because miss Psygon in Iowa?
Speaker 1: Because now every time they stage that, they're like, we're
Speaker 1: making it better. That's what they say about South Pacific too,
Speaker 1: and I think South Pacific should be like, well, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's not there should be illegal because it's
Speaker 1: sort of like no, no, no, I mean because it
Speaker 1: is like so many musicals are so racist, but it's
Speaker 1: also like the idea of like whitewashing that stuff away.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a document of all these different times
Speaker 1: when people were racist they have to considerin these sort
Speaker 1: of reduce of these old Rogers and Hammerstein musicals. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see the Caasel production that was the best
Speaker 1: still bummed me out so much as a kid, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I was like, maybe I would like to see
Speaker 1: it in this context where they've really like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, but apparently they were much
Speaker 1: more kind of it was much more kind of honest
Speaker 1: and looking about looking at the fact that it's about
Speaker 1: an abusive relationship, like you know on the surface. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and then the the Oklahoma. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a theater person. I don't go
Speaker 1: to these things Oklahoma. Also, I think it's silly when
Speaker 1: they're like we're doing an edgy reboot of Oklahoma. It's like,
Speaker 1: who we're saying? It was like what did they say? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: hot Oklahoma? That fox Like I saw Oklahoma with like
Speaker 1: h E A U X in the middle. Um, it
Speaker 1: makes me want well, But I also remember like that
Speaker 1: was like when Hugh Jackman, that was his thing was
Speaker 1: they were like sexy Oklahoma like a million years. I
Speaker 1: just feel like whenever they try to like do an
Speaker 1: old musical or play, they're like, it's sexy. Now you know,
Speaker 1: it's always been sexy, Okay. I it's so like I
Speaker 1: just feel like it's funny that musicals were like the
Speaker 1: dominant American art form and then they weren't anymore. But
Speaker 1: then in the eighties there was this period when they
Speaker 1: turned into like tent pole blockbusters briefly because it was
Speaker 1: the thing. It was like you have to see this,
Speaker 1: you have to see it in person. Helicopter lands on
Speaker 1: the stage. I've never seen miss the helicopter lands on that.
Speaker 1: I know that the handelier drop in in phanroom. They
Speaker 1: all have these like I mean, lame is I guess
Speaker 1: the main thing is just like the barricades, like the
Speaker 1: nature of the set itself, and lame is this sort
Speaker 1: of like the spectacle. But yeah, all those eighties, all
Speaker 1: those eighties music girls have some stagecraft thing that's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta see it. So the stagecraft in Cats is
Speaker 1: that they're all dressed like cats and they dance around
Speaker 1: and they're in purgatory and then one of them goes
Speaker 1: to heaven at the end. That's Cats. It's very similar
Speaker 1: to God's spell. I've never seen a spell. Actually, well,
Speaker 1: it's just the most like it's it's strange poetry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like the energy is so like strange. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I feel like it's real theater kid on it.
Speaker 1: It is very it's not trying to be cool because
Speaker 1: it acknowledges that it will never be cool, and it
Speaker 1: leans all the way into that. And the choral reading specifically,
Speaker 1: like did you guys ever do choral reading where you
Speaker 1: find a way you guys go on, go on, choral
Speaker 1: reading is where this is something I've also went back
Speaker 1: to look at like high school videos and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: you're in a group choir. You don't sing. You recite
Speaker 1: a poem together as a group, but you can take turns.
Speaker 1: People might say one line and then you know, somebody
Speaker 1: might walk over here to say another line. It's like
Speaker 1: choreographed group reading of a poem. I did one to
Speaker 1: jabberwock You once. It was probably the worst thing I've
Speaker 1: ever been a part of. That sounds great, but it's
Speaker 1: that energy though. It's like we don't need a plot necessary,
Speaker 1: Like we're here to indulge in like the power of
Speaker 1: the human happening and yeah it's happening on a show. Yeah, god,
Speaker 1: kids are doing a show. Is podcasting coral reading? No?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not no, because coral reading is all about creating,
Speaker 1: creating like tempo of speech all mimsy were the ball
Speaker 1: grow like that guy? Do you still know the job
Speaker 1: Rocky parts of it? Do you know job Rocky? I
Speaker 1: used to I don't think. I don't think for a night.
Speaker 1: Coom Bonus episode were at the Patreon five dollars a month.
Speaker 1: I definitely also know it. It's the only poem I know,
Speaker 1: oh really yeah, And I used to, like when I
Speaker 1: worked at a grocery store, I would recite it in
Speaker 1: my head over and over again to try and make
Speaker 1: time pass. It's got that very kind of soothing need
Speaker 1: er where it's like it's like a Radiohead song or something.
Speaker 1: For the meaning of it doesn't really matter. It's just
Speaker 1: like the sound of it was good for like scanning groceries.
Speaker 1: It's like, you guys have mantra, Yeah, armantras the jagger
Speaker 1: in high school and speech makes so much sense. Should
Speaker 1: we answer another night call? Oh no, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the Lion King. You thought you were getting
Speaker 1: away without the Lion King. So the Lion King, the
Speaker 1: Lion King. That part takes place during the day. Um King.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't planning on it at all. But
Speaker 1: a friend of mine was like, it's very hot. Do
Speaker 1: you want to go see the Lion King? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, I do. Let's make it even hat
Speaker 1: her baby. Yeah. I was just like, I've accomplished nothing today.
Speaker 1: I'm moving through sludge, Like I want to go eat
Speaker 1: popcorn and sit in an air conditioned room and like
Speaker 1: watch some garbage. Uh it is knocking. I mean what
Speaker 1: we get. What we get like roasted forever. If we
Speaker 1: say that the original Lion King was no, it was,
Speaker 1: will get roasted because it will reveal us all as
Speaker 1: old millennials. Look, I just watched I watched young millennials
Speaker 1: love it, and I've watched it like twice this year already.
Speaker 1: Well you have. You had to show it to some
Speaker 1: curious and I had to see if it held up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, because I remember when I
Speaker 1: first saw it. I was like, oh, I think I'm
Speaker 1: aging out. I remember that too, because I was like,
Speaker 1: we had just gotten into boys, so we were like,
Speaker 1: we don't want these boys to think we want to
Speaker 1: see the Lion King. Yeah, but then I was thinking
Speaker 1: about I also saw like move on in Hercules and
Speaker 1: the other ones. After that, I was like, who cares? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I saw Hercules on a day when the
Speaker 1: teacher gave up and just decided to show a video
Speaker 1: Like I I never saw that in the theaters, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I remember definitely. I think I think I
Speaker 1: even saw it in like a group date scenario where
Speaker 1: it was just like this is like sexy Disney. This
Speaker 1: is the other thing is that like that, So lan
Speaker 1: King is definitely when I was like, I'm I'm too
Speaker 1: old for this ship now, and it was totally I
Speaker 1: was like ten or something and I was like done.
Speaker 1: But but it was also about animals, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I like animals in general, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be captivated by like a story about an animal.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the animals social dynamics. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is too that's not like not, that's not the
Speaker 1: problem for me at all, because I just watched my
Speaker 1: favorite animated movie, The Secretive nim is really good. I
Speaker 1: would love to go back and let's do an episode
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, but that's a story about animals. But
Speaker 1: I am very particular, like I hate Watership Down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate like I do hate a lot of times
Speaker 1: when sell Yeah, I love Animal Farm, but most things
Speaker 1: where they're like the animals have a society, and for
Speaker 1: some reason, it's just like ours are. You know what
Speaker 1: I liked Oliver and Company. Oliver and Company is so good.
Speaker 1: It's the first movie I ever mine was The Great
Speaker 1: Mouse Detective. These are both from the like pre Disney Vamp.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I can't believe. I had
Speaker 1: never thought about this before. I guess it's just because
Speaker 1: I don't think about The Lion King that much. But
Speaker 1: can you imagine like like all those songs that are
Speaker 1: so timeless or whatever, but like they specifically well one
Speaker 1: they're like, we're gonna do a Disney movie, but we're
Speaker 1: going to have it set in Africa, and it's like
Speaker 1: for diversity, I guess or something. But of course they're
Speaker 1: all animals, so you don't have any actual like African
Speaker 1: people in it. But then you also like, for the
Speaker 1: original score for this African set story about lions, will
Speaker 1: have famous John musician Elton John do the songs. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I never really thought about that before because
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, this songs from the Lion
Speaker 1: King or the songs from the Lion King, like that's
Speaker 1: just what they are. But I was like, that would
Speaker 1: definitely not happen now. Yeah, yeah, Well there was also
Speaker 1: that period in the long eighties into the nineties of just, uh,
Speaker 1: every white musician like an album where they work with
Speaker 1: like African musicians, right, you mean the Paul Simon. We
Speaker 1: know who you're talking. I'm talking about enemy Paul Simon.
Speaker 1: You imagine if Paul Simon did the songs for Lion
Speaker 1: King No suck him so much. I'm glad he didn't.
Speaker 1: Did he ever do Disney movie songs? I'm so absolutely not.
Speaker 1: He's too much of a Missinthrop. But I feel like
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, so they had the big hit
Speaker 1: with Elton John and then they tried to reply they'll
Speaker 1: call it cons did Tarzan, and then Emperor's New Group
Speaker 1: was supposed to be sting, but he like dropped out halfway.
Speaker 1: And that's why Emperor's New Group is really good because
Speaker 1: it has no songs in it. Oh, it doesn't know.
Speaker 1: It's just a funny cartoon. It's like a Looney tune.
Speaker 1: It's I couldn't get through it, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: never saw that one. I tried, but I tried. It
Speaker 1: has the best Disney villain of just a great Disney
Speaker 1: villain whose earth a kit. Her name is Easma, and
Speaker 1: she's like Ursula is still the best villain. She's like
Speaker 1: an inca priestess. She's great east most kind of Ursula
Speaker 1: is a genuinely terrifying villain. We're talking about at our
Speaker 1: at our at our, at our meet up, our secret
Speaker 1: and I call meet up for only certain I did
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. She had a garden of souls deals just
Speaker 1: trying to make a life for herself in the gig economy.
Speaker 1: It's true. Well also like she she and I mean
Speaker 1: Triton definitely kicked her to the curve at some point,
Speaker 1: like they, she was exiled from society. She just wants
Speaker 1: to take down the monarchy. I mean she has a
Speaker 1: rich personal life. But Little Mermaid, she has two eel friends,
Speaker 1: the Eels. I saw these guys wants to Disneyland who
Speaker 1: were dressed as the Eels. Were they like professionals or no?
Speaker 1: They were disney bounding because you're not allowed to wear
Speaker 1: a real costume and Disneyland because they don't want you
Speaker 1: to mistake be mistaken for an employee, so you can
Speaker 1: only do this thing like Disney or has found a
Speaker 1: way around it called disney bounding, which is where you
Speaker 1: dresses like a streetwear version of a character. So it's
Speaker 1: all entirely about color blocking for the most part. And
Speaker 1: it's actually really like they get because there's these Disney
Speaker 1: biker gangs, you know, but this is like an offshoot
Speaker 1: to that, so that I saw these this one guy
Speaker 1: who was flotsom and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's looking for his jets m. And also just to
Speaker 1: pick such a such a niche character and be like
Speaker 1: that is me. I like that. But yeah, I love
Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid and I love Beauty and the Beast,
Speaker 1: and by Lion King. I was kind of over it
Speaker 1: about Aladdin. I love Aladdin. It's pretty good. Aladdin is
Speaker 1: probably the best one. Maybe I wasn't into Aladdin. Do
Speaker 1: you think he was hot? I was saying that some
Speaker 1: of my friend yesterday. Also, I think, like what makes
Speaker 1: The Lion King remake so bad is that there are
Speaker 1: no humans in it. I think in part because it's
Speaker 1: also just like it just makes you appreciate hand drawn
Speaker 1: animation so much because that's the thing. It's like, why
Speaker 1: who wants to watch a realistic hat walk around? It's
Speaker 1: photo realistic, but they don't have testicles, which is like
Speaker 1: so distracting the whole time. But you understood, you understand
Speaker 1: it would be distracting either way. I mean, like a
Speaker 1: shadow or something. It's like they go so far out
Speaker 1: of their way to be like the animals do not
Speaker 1: have orifices, but they are in every other way anatomically
Speaker 1: and they feel like deire and romance, like the desire
Speaker 1: no man's that part doesn't bother me. Lion's falling in
Speaker 1: love doesn't bother me. What bothered me was just like
Speaker 1: their eyes are like soulless looking. Yeah, the way the
Speaker 1: c G I is, it's like there's no warmth. The
Speaker 1: whole thing just lacks warmth. And that's all These Disney
Speaker 1: live action remakes are like that. Cartoons are great. Like
Speaker 1: kids like cartoons, I maintain like everybody's like, oh, it'll
Speaker 1: be better if it's photo realistic, but care watching Doug
Speaker 1: the other day and I was like, check out, Ever,
Speaker 1: it's so to I remember, like I some of the
Speaker 1: cartoons I watched as a kid that were so shitty,
Speaker 1: but that I remembered being well animated. And then I
Speaker 1: saw I remember I saw like a teenage mutant Ninja
Speaker 1: Turtles in college and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is like the animation is terrible, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: When the animation improves over the course of a series,
Speaker 1: and then you go back and watch it with the
Speaker 1: same characters that you've kind of like a adapted to seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, evolved, it can be really Jarry like The
Speaker 1: Simpsons obviously what we're talking about. But I tried to
Speaker 1: go back the other day. I was like, I'll just
Speaker 1: start watching The Simpsons from the beginning, as one does,
Speaker 1: and I was like this, it gave me a creepy feeling.
Speaker 1: I was like, all of a sudden, everything's been undone.
Speaker 1: It's like I saw like the Spool unwrapped. Our friend
Speaker 1: Alex Pepadevens was saying that The Cat's trailer was what
Speaker 1: made him have to explain the Uncanny Valley his daughter,
Speaker 1: um as good as time is any. The Lion King
Speaker 1: movie takes place entirely in the Uncanny Valley Pride Rock
Speaker 1: and like the voice acting is not great, I will
Speaker 1: say the m v P. Billy Rely on the Street
Speaker 1: by Billy steals the movie. He and Southrogon are by
Speaker 1: far the best part, which I was like, not expecting.
Speaker 1: It's like the movie PEPs up finally when they show up,
Speaker 1: and it actually also has something that I liked. The
Speaker 1: one thing I liked about it was that like to again,
Speaker 1: because I don't remember the original very well. It's like
Speaker 1: it wasn't like The Beauty and the Beast one. I
Speaker 1: was like comparing it in my mind the whole time
Speaker 1: to like the better version that is original this. I
Speaker 1: didn't remember anything about the original Lion king, so I
Speaker 1: was just like, this is the weirdest me. If you didn't,
Speaker 1: if you came from space and saw this, you would
Speaker 1: just be like, humans are Hamlet. Everbody always says it's Hamlet.
Speaker 1: It is Hamlet. It's not really Hamlet. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: Your uncle comes and takes the kingdom away from you
Speaker 1: and your dad. I don't know. And it's also all
Speaker 1: stolen from an anime Kimba Kimba the White Lion, which
Speaker 1: is Hamlet about a lion. Speaking of I don't know
Speaker 1: is growing up? Um, we have another night call speaking
Speaker 1: of feeling love. Hi, my name is Logan. UM. I've
Speaker 1: currently going through all of your old episodes and listening
Speaker 1: and I feel like I have just made three new friends.
Speaker 1: But so I have many many ghost stories and weird
Speaker 1: ship that has happened. UM. But I have a question tonight, UM,
Speaker 1: and that question is, did you guys have anything odd
Speaker 1: happened to you when you were like twenty eight or
Speaker 1: thirty one? Did you feel like that was a significant
Speaker 1: time in your life? Because that is when you're astrological.
Speaker 1: Saturn return happened, which brings about a lot of um
Speaker 1: change and emotional upheaval and big life moves. So I
Speaker 1: was just wondering if you guys could stay back and
Speaker 1: recognize that you're slat in the turn um impacted you
Speaker 1: at all. All right, good night, Thank you very much
Speaker 1: for that night call Logan. I think I heard that right,
Speaker 1: Um Saturn returns. Guys. I feel like I've talked about
Speaker 1: this off the pod, but I've gone so weirdly deep
Speaker 1: on astrology, uh in the last few months, just because Um,
Speaker 1: I was like my insurance change so I can't see
Speaker 1: my therapist anymore. So that's what happened free therapy exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like if you really it's good. It's a thing
Speaker 1: of like you want to read about yourself a lot,
Speaker 1: then like get into astrology. But um, that is true.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not always in therapy, but I think
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of what they do in
Speaker 1: therapy by just asking yourself a bunch of leading questions
Speaker 1: like a journalist. That's what I just generally do. Although
Speaker 1: then there's also the bad version of that, where you're
Speaker 1: like trying to fall asleep and you're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: don't do it when you're trying to go self care.
Speaker 1: Self care. Self care is not um lying away wondering
Speaker 1: where it all went wrong. Uh, I think that a
Speaker 1: return is real. I did a lot of ship happen
Speaker 1: to you guys between when you were twenty one. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, but like it makes sense. I didn't like,
Speaker 1: I don't like that phase because that was the phase
Speaker 1: when everybody started to like settle down, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I am not ready like rage against the dying of
Speaker 1: the light, like very hard, um, And that took a
Speaker 1: while to get over. But maybe that's what it was.
Speaker 1: You guys have probably already gone through your Saturn return
Speaker 1: or we're like in it. But when I met you, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's also like that period of
Speaker 1: time was also the period of time when I was
Speaker 1: like steadily employed. So I think at the time I
Speaker 1: was like, here begins my life as an adult, and
Speaker 1: then recently I've been more like that was maybe like
Speaker 1: just another phase of my life, and then this is
Speaker 1: another another phase of my life. We actually you you
Speaker 1: started at grant Land, I think right when Molly and
Speaker 1: I had begun because I think I was twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I was twenty nine when my first kid was born, right,
Speaker 1: and Molly's just a couple of months younger than I
Speaker 1: turned twenty seven, like that first year that I was
Speaker 1: in Korean Yeah, so yeah, um that was pre Saturn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty sadur Returns. I thought it was twenty
Speaker 1: seven because that's when people am I just thinking of
Speaker 1: the club, just thinking of, um, yeah, because I had
Speaker 1: to jo theme party. Um, but I I yeah, I
Speaker 1: think of like the years before that being so much
Speaker 1: harder for me, And I guess it was a different
Speaker 1: kind of hard because I had that job and then
Speaker 1: like from then, I when I was doing like very
Speaker 1: demanding jobs, but I had like a stable income, like
Speaker 1: you said, so I felt I didn't feel like the
Speaker 1: same kind of struggle. But I was definitely, like I guess,
Speaker 1: learning lessons. If you want to think about Saturn Returns
Speaker 1: in that way, which is technically what it is. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily supposed to be like, oh, all the bad
Speaker 1: ship happens to you. It's just that like you are
Speaker 1: going to learn important life lessons. Yeah. I thought it
Speaker 1: was like you take stock of everything you've learned so far.
Speaker 1: And you're like, it's your courter life, christis what am
Speaker 1: I going to? Like? Yeah, but I also feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like twenty five was when I was like,
Speaker 1: what the funk am I doing? Really hard? Because I
Speaker 1: had like imagined I would know by then, you know,
Speaker 1: just like I was like a twenty five year old
Speaker 1: like knows what they're doing in life, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess seven was when like things I had been
Speaker 1: doing for free for a long time, like finally started
Speaker 1: to pay off in terms of getting work from it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it did feel like, oh, it's a different phase. Um.
Speaker 1: But then there was I was talking to somebody else
Speaker 1: about this, like that that thing is when you start
Speaker 1: to get paid to do the thing you like, and
Speaker 1: then that becomes its own kind of burden, right, Well,
Speaker 1: having a job sux and not having a job sex
Speaker 1: and they suck in a different way. But there's no
Speaker 1: there's no happy medium and and freelancing, which like technically,
Speaker 1: you know, theoretically should be like the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: It's like the worst of the worst of it. It's
Speaker 1: the worst. And then there was that threat on Twitter
Speaker 1: the other day about the editor who was trying to
Speaker 1: chase down freelance payments. Yeah, that's just life. She was
Speaker 1: owed five thousand dollars. Yeah, and it was just her
Speaker 1: trying to get it back. And you know all of
Speaker 1: these different publications who she redacted, the publications themselves, but
Speaker 1: you know them trying to be like, well, yes we're late,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to pay you a late payment
Speaker 1: because that that's just crazy. If you ever want to
Speaker 1: write here again, we're not going to give me that.
Speaker 1: A nightmare. Thing about the gig economy that was about
Speaker 1: one of the door Dash or somebody or it was like,
Speaker 1: if you tip them, they take it out of their pas. Yes,
Speaker 1: because what they do is they take tips and then
Speaker 1: they try and say like, okay, well you're making minimum
Speaker 1: wage because you've made this much in tips. But that's all.
Speaker 1: That's not just door Dash. They do that at plenty
Speaker 1: of service restaurants and UM. Someone I talked to and
Speaker 1: I was on the daily site geist about UM when
Speaker 1: I was waitressing and a chat like a party walked
Speaker 1: out on their check and it had I had to
Speaker 1: make up the difference out of my paycheck. So I
Speaker 1: went home like twenty dollars poorer than I started the
Speaker 1: day and someone else worked at the same fast casual
Speaker 1: restaurant and they tweeted and they were like, oh, the
Speaker 1: same thing happened to me. I was making two dollars
Speaker 1: an hour. Yeah. While we're talking about astrology really quick,
Speaker 1: we should shout out Ariana Lennarski, friend of the pod.
Speaker 1: Um she did tarot card readings that are mean up
Speaker 1: and they were all so crazy accurate. Yeah, they were amazing.
Speaker 1: I've actually want to say that, like in lieu of therapy,
Speaker 1: that was the best thing that I've done in a
Speaker 1: million years. It made me feel like everything made sense.
Speaker 1: So book arian Lenarski Dream City Tarot, Dream City Tarot.
Speaker 1: She's got a podcast, what's your deal? Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: taro based podcast. Yeah. She was great. I had a
Speaker 1: very it was very like it was not an optimistic reading,
Speaker 1: but she made me feel better about it. I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: let's say where this was. Oh so this was that? Um,
Speaker 1: I said it was at our lot at our meet
Speaker 1: up at the Wattles. First, tell you if we can
Speaker 1: tell you about it now that it's already happened, But
Speaker 1: after we've done a meetup, we can tell you where
Speaker 1: that it was. Because we're going to try to move around,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's for our our lovely Patreon supporters at
Speaker 1: the twenty dollar and up level. Um, we've been trying
Speaker 1: to do these quarterly meetups where um well and I
Speaker 1: think we'll figure out where we do the next one.
Speaker 1: But the first one was in l A out here
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Lovely day at Waddles Mansion, which we've
Speaker 1: talked about a few times on the pod. Um but
Speaker 1: it was great. We got to meet its, great people
Speaker 1: came to area listeners and just chat and um, yeah
Speaker 1: we had a tarot, we had an Arianna read tarot
Speaker 1: in a tarot tent um and we were just at
Speaker 1: a haunted mansion during the day. Yeah, I didn't see
Speaker 1: any ghosts, but we did have an octopus balloon that
Speaker 1: kept like trying to see, which did add a spooky feel. Um.
Speaker 1: I just saw another picture of it. It belongs to
Speaker 1: a child. Now, oh nice. Yeah, thanks so thank you
Speaker 1: everybody who came out for that, um, all our friends
Speaker 1: of the pod. It was super, super fun and you
Speaker 1: want to join our Patreon you can do so at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash Nightcall and yeah, we'll be do
Speaker 1: another on one in October. I guess yeah, some more
Speaker 1: on that soon. Also, thank you for are bearing with us.
Speaker 1: We wonder we as we're recording this really don't know
Speaker 1: we were when. But thanks for sticking by while we
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