1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: They need to keep his promises. You don't know what's 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: true anymore. It hurts me to see people burning the 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: fierce relations that I just saw, like the politics unbelievable. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: It's what you've been waiting for all day. America now 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: but Sexton with America now joined the conversation called Buck 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred to eight to five, sharp mind, 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton. Is internationalism the new God that failed? 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: It's a question I want to post to you at 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: the start of the show today. We will return to 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: it throughout certainly this hour, and it's at the heart 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: of much of what we see happening right now with 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: the Republican Party with Trump is m with the emergence 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: of a renewed nationalism, not just here but in Europe 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: and summer saying around the world as well. But what 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: about internationalism and what has that done for people? Where? 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: What is the status of that ideology? Were led to 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: believe by so many, so many who seem to think 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: that they are above the rest of us, above the 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: hoi polloi, the lumping proletariat, all of us who are 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: not part of the Davos private jet set elite. They 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: tell us that internationalism or even a globalist approach, although 23 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: some people use the term globalist I think far too 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: often and improperly, and it has some connotations that we'd 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: have to wipe away. But some people take this approach 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: to things and they view all those who would ask 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: questions as part of the problem. Internationalism is what has 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: been preached by the intelligentsia, by political and economic elites 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: in this country for decades, and now people are pushing 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: back against it. They don't really like this idea that's 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: been happening for a while. And Trump is um and 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: exit are the two political events that everyone points to 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: and says, well, hold on a second, something has changed here. 34 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: And immediately you can see many of those who have 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: enjoyed a preferred status in Western society, whether we're talking 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: about journalists or the George Soros types, those who have 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: a ton of money they make in the international global 38 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: markets and then turn around and want to influence how 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: you can live your day to day life and use 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: their money in the process to do so. You've got 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton giving a speech earlier this week in which 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: he was the he was the keynote at the Brookings Institution. 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: You want to talk about internationalism, there you go. But 44 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Clinton gave a speech in which he said, unusually, I'd 45 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: be like, Hey, Bill Clinton, I want to give a speech. 46 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: How many ladies want to take a photo of me? 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: After we get all cozy, I'll grab you around the waist. 48 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: Don't worry. Your husband's not here. It's fine. Uh, But 49 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I actually have to read you the quote so we 50 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: can take the analysis of it seriously. Although a little 51 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton voice here and there never never hurts anybody. 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm just Bill, I'm creepy. I want to be your friend. 53 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: So he gave this this keynote, and he said that quote. 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: People who claim to want the nation state are actually 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: trying to have a pan national movement to institutionalized separatism 56 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: and division within borders all over the world. It's like 57 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: we're all having an identity crisis at once, and it 58 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: is an inevitable consequence of the economic and social changes 59 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: that have occurred at an increasingly rapid pace. Now, much 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: of this is the kind of analysis that you would 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: expect to hear from any major democrat in this country. 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: And it is the sort of thing you would hear 63 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: from somebody that not particularly well informed or thoughtful. People 64 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: think is very well informed and thoughtful. So you have 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton winning specifically at the events recent events, Trump, 66 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: Trump is UM and Brexit. Now Trump is M is 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: just a version of a renew a term that's used 68 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: now for a new American nationalism, and nationalism as a 69 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: term is also something we're gonna have to discuss and 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: push back on what we're told is the definition of 71 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: nationalism UM. And I'll get into that as well. But first, 72 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: and I know we're gonna be moving around a lot 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: here today, I wanted to do some some deep dive 74 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: analysis as opposed to jess oh, look at this headline 75 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: all and seither the media is being mean to Trump again. Yeah, 76 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: the media is being mean to Trump again, and we 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: will talk about that. But sometimes there are other aspects 78 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: of the big important debates and discussions that I want 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: to get into other than look at how look at 80 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: how biased the media is. Yeah, the media is very, 81 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: very biased, especially against Trump. We all know this, um 82 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: and we will continue to have fun with that one. 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: But back to our central point here, or some of 84 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: the central points. So Clinton says that anybody who wants 85 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: a nation state is trying to build this pan national 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: movement to institutionalized separatism. Isn't a nation state if it 87 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: has control of its borders, if it has sovereignty, it 88 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: is in fact an institutionalizing of separatism. If a nation 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: state can say this is who comes and this is 90 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: who goes, and those who are inside of this nation 91 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: state have to abide by certain rules, that is a separatism, 92 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's kind of funny that when you break 93 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: down what he says, you go, this is really he's 94 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: just spewing nonsense, and this may get him a lot 95 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: of uh clapping at the G twenty and the Davos 96 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: crowd and all these summits where you have to spend 97 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars for a ticket to show 98 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: up to be around a bunch of other very fancy 99 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: internationalist types. You break down what they're saying, what they're offering, 100 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: and you can start to understand how a lot of Americans, 101 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: and as we see, even a lot of Brits, they're 102 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: just sick of the empty rhetoric about all this. They're 103 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: sick of constantly being told that unless they embrace this 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: ideology of internationalism, and it is an ideology. Unless they 105 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: embrace it, there's something wrong with them. And in fact 106 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: there's xenophobic. They're racist, they're bad, they're evil. Never seems 107 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: to strike them that a country, a nation state that 108 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: has obligations like this one, that it asks of its 109 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: own citizens, whether it's taxes, obeying federal law, registering for 110 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: the draft, any number of things, it asks of its citizens. 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: And therefore we expect that the nation state, in this case, America, 112 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: the one that you and I live in, will privilege 113 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: our rights and interests above those of non citizens. If 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: you take a truly internationalist point of view, that's just 115 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: a temporary state of affairs. It's only a matter of 116 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: time before you can eliminate that and everybody gets treated 117 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: exactly the same. Everybody all of a sudden, has the 118 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: same rights, and you have a true global government. Now, 119 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: a one world government or a global government has been 120 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: the st of conspiracy theories for quite some time, But 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: as with any conspiracy theory, there's more than just a 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: shred of truth to it. There are a lot of 123 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: efforts to institutionalize at an international level, not just agreements 124 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: that to deal with trade, but as you know, agreements 125 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: to deal with any number of issues that affect you 126 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: in your day to day life, the environment, what kind 127 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: of appliances you can buy, what kind of car you 128 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: can drive. All this is affected now by an international 129 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: consensus that automatically takes power out of your hands and 130 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: gives it into the hand and puts it into the 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: hands of, in many cases, unelected bureaucrats, whether at the 132 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: U N or increasingly remote in the case of Brexit, 133 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: the EU Parliament. I mean, these are the different institutions 134 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: of of global government that are trying to make rules 135 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: and regulations, are making rules and regulations that affect citizens 136 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: that feel like, what why do I have to into this? 137 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: And you've got people like Bill Clinton going around giving 138 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: lectures I'm sure for a lot of money, although not 139 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: as much money as he used to it. I'd be 140 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: learn to bed. I mean it's hard out here. I 141 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: used to get like, like, i'member a Russian bank paying 142 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: me fives when Hillary wanted that uranium, and you know, 143 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: she gave Russia. She gave Russia the uranium they wanted. 144 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you know, now my 145 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: speeches aren't worth as much. What a shock what a surprise. 146 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: It was the Russians in that case who wanted access 147 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: to UH to buy us uraniu, which is not supposed 148 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: to be able to be taken out of this country. 149 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: But Hillary soul I think it was the State Department 150 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: allowed the sale of twenty our uranium. Bill gave a 151 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: speech to a Russian bank at the time for five 152 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Must have been one heck of a speech. 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm gone, it was good. But now he's giving a 154 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: speech about Trump is um at as I was saying 155 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: at the Brookings Institute, which is a very fancy, very 156 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: well connected think tank in d C. And for those 157 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: you out there who are conspiracy minded, I in fact interned. 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: I was one of the chief coffee grabbers of my time. 159 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: I used to go grab coffee with people at the 160 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: Council on Foreign Relations, even more Illuminati conspiracy globalists than 161 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: any of the others the Council on Foreign Relations. Yeah, 162 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: I I did some clerical work there. It's good on 163 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: the resume, but not exactly. I wasn't sitting around in 164 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: a room with Soros and he was like, back, we 165 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: have very impart and things to do together. We're going 166 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: to destroy our sovereignty in the United States, which would 167 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: have been fun to have those conversations with George That 168 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: never happened. But I did hang out and see Afar 169 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: a good bit and I got to know that place 170 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: Brookings is similar issue that you have the confluence of 171 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: tremendous wealth and tremendous political connections all on one place. 172 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: I want to return to that as well. This is 173 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: gonna be a theme we're hitting through for a while 174 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: here because I know a lot of other people. It's 175 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: only so much bashing of the first draft of Obamacare 176 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: repeal in the House that I can do before. Like you, 177 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're like, all right, I get it. It's 178 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: it's really not great. We'll work on it. More So, 179 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: returning to the central thesis here about internationalism, you have 180 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, he gives the speech. He also says, quote, 181 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: the whole history of humankind is basically the definition of 182 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: who is us and who is them, and the question 183 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: of whether we should all live under the same set 184 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: of rules. People have found more political success and met 185 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: the deep psychic needs people have had to feel that 186 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: their identity requires them to be juxtaposed against someone else. Again, 187 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: this is sophistry. This is false wisdom. This is Bill 188 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: Clinton up there telling us things like for all of 189 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: human history, or at least the at least the human 190 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: history of the of the state or the nation state, 191 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: there has been some separateness of us from them. Well, 192 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: of course, if you're either in the nation state or 193 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: you're outside the nation state, you're rather subject to the 194 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: authority of the leviathan of the state, or you're not. 195 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: And if you're not, clearly you're I mean, this is 196 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: just running around in circles. But again it sounds fancy. 197 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: See two people who are very unsettled by the notion 198 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: that a lot of Americans and Brits and Western Europeans 199 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: don't just want to be told about how amazing globalization is, 200 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: how amazing, uh, the technocracies that are growing up or 201 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: growing out I should say, whether in the Europe or 202 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: in the Europe, in Europe or the United States in 203 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: the Europe Europe. Yeah, it's another way to say it 204 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: that it doesn't satisfy them, and it doesn't meet their 205 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: political needs, and they don't feel like they're represented, and 206 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: they understand that there are cost to all of this 207 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: internationalism as a creed has been telling us for a 208 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: long time that stretching back for decades. I remember one 209 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: of the first classes I even was was mandated to 210 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: take in college or something called Bridge to the twenty century, 211 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: and it was the equivalent of one long Thomas Friedman 212 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: article about how oh there's gonna be. You know, I 213 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: was talking to my cab driver on the way to 214 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: the airport word in some foreign country, and I saw 215 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: all these construction cranes, and you know, the world is 216 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: just changing so rapidly and getting so much better all 217 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: the time, and it's just all gonna be amazing. We're 218 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: all gonna be uh well, the idea that we're all 219 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: progressing and going to just get along and agree about 220 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: all these rules is much overstated, and we're beginning to 221 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: see that, or we have been seeing it, and now 222 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: there's finally political pushback and a recognition that with the 223 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: pushback in America, there were probably others that follow suit. 224 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: I know Brexit came first, but then with Trump, it 225 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: seems to have now created a real or there's a 226 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: perception at least there's a creation of real momentum that 227 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: will change the way people interact with their governments, will 228 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: change their sense of whether they should in fact view 229 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: themselves as a different and distinct people from their neighbors, 230 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: or if we're all just supposed to be thinking of 231 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: this like we are citizens of one world. We can't 232 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: be citizens of one world, and we disagree with a 233 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: lot of those citizens about what that one world government 234 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: would be like. When there are separations between the way 235 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: that we view minority rights, rights of worship, First Amendment rights, 236 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the moment you start to look 237 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: issue by issue at well, what would what can we 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: all agree on? There's very little. There's very little that 239 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: we all agree on around the world, in fact, I 240 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: mean the very basic human rights issues, but the moment 241 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: you step off of and not even those in a 242 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: lot of cases that depends on the country. UM. We 243 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be lectured by people who are far away, 244 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: and we don't want to be lectured by people in 245 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: our own society who think that those who are far away, 246 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: whether in the capitals of our own countries or in 247 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: foreign capitals, that are making agreements that we're all supposed 248 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: to live by. There's a pushback against that. People are 249 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: concerned about it, and Trump is um is being defamed 250 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: and I think we can see this happening. People are 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: saying very nasty things, but saying it's a new national 252 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: nationalism automatically has to have a negative connotation in this view. 253 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: But I would offer to you what are we supposed 254 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: to call What are we supposed to call love of 255 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: country and a desire for sovereignty and rule of law 256 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: and secure borders. What is the term for that the 257 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: left has polluted? The idea of patriotism is something we 258 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: can all agree on, because to the left, patriotism in 259 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: this country can mean burning flags and talking about how 260 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: other countries are better and so many other things are great, 261 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: and we do things the wrong way here, but we're 262 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: just trying to make America better. You're promising fundamental transformation, 263 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: even from the left, and they view that as patriotism. 264 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Burning the flag as patriotism to them. So that's not 265 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: a term that unless we want to fight over who 266 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: gets too appropriate and use that one. Well what about nationalism? 267 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: They say, Oh, it raises the specter of the atrocities 268 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: of the Second World War? Well does does nationalism always 269 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: have to? Are there other kinds of nationalism? Are we 270 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: seeing that in this country? This debate that I don't 271 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: want to have because it begins to ebb away. It 272 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: chips away at the very foundations of their belief of 273 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the elitess belief in this country and around world that 274 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: an internationalist view and internationalist outlook is not just inevitable, 275 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: but it is the only acceptable view to take, and 276 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: any challenge that must be stamped out and destroyed. I 277 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: have a lot more on this, but I have to 278 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: go into a break. UH internationalism is it the new God? 279 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: That failed to also explain that term a bit later. 280 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: Stay with me. So it wasn't just Bill Clinton that 281 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: was speaking about internationalism and globalism and globalization. This week 282 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: you had Peter til the libertarian leaning billionaire and UH 283 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: and Trump supporter who spoke at the r n C 284 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: and spoke very well at the r n C. He 285 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: was talking about globalization and how the tide is going 286 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: on and saying, look, we've all been promised that this 287 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: is going to be so great, and people see the 288 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: results of it and they say to themselves, well, yeah, 289 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: of course, there are clearly good things that have come 290 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: from globalization. There's no question. And those of you who 291 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: are sitting around right now with a smartphone that has 292 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: more computing power than you know, than the than the 293 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: entire NASA Space program would have had, you know, five 294 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: decades ago, uh in your hand for three bucks or 295 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: whatever it is. The globalization clearly brings benefits, but there 296 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: are also drawbacks, and now we see the drawbacks and 297 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: people want to start to assess it differently. It's not 298 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: just a a one sided equation. It's not just globalization good. 299 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: Everything that comes from it is good. What about the 300 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: political impact, the social and cultural impact of unrestrained movement 301 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: of people all over the world. What happens to nation states? 302 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Can they just deal with any level of new of 303 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: of migration of new entrants. Is assimilation no longer something 304 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: that we do in this country. It's what we used 305 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: to do in the past. People would come and then 306 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: they we would wait a while, and then there'll be 307 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: a surge, and then we would wait a while. Now 308 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: we're told and it's it's been the case since the nineties. 309 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Just the more you know, the more the merrier, And 310 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: especially from disparate cultures that have a disproportioned number of 311 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: people coming out of poverty with low levels of education. 312 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Let's that's in the way it is, and no one 313 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: really asked the American people about this. We've just been 314 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: force fed this is this has to be good. This 315 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: has to be good, Peter Teel saying, and globalization ties 316 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: into the immigration side of this because they want they 317 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,239 Speaker 1: always say the free movement of people make us all 318 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: richer and better, and it's it's a meritocracy, and it's not. 319 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: It's not how it works. It's a big topic we're talking. 320 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: But here's here's Teal saying that globalization is not what 321 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: people or it's not all people are saying. It's cracked 322 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: up to be at least for some play clip forty six. 323 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I think the tide on globalization is just going out 324 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: and it's going out on on, you know, all these 325 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: different dimensions. And so if you have a movement of people, 326 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: I think, you know, immigration is getting more restrictive, not 327 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: just in the US, but you know throughout the Western world. 328 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: I think movement of trade, even movement through information, where 329 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: I think there may be some headwinds for you know, 330 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: the signed to survive a nuclear war. But but even so, um, 331 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: I think, uh, there there there are sort of a 332 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: lot of regular Tory challenges that the Silicon Valley is 333 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: gonna be facing from from Western Europe and elsewhere and 334 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: in the years ahead. So I think I think the 335 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: tied on on globalization, Um, it's just it's just going 336 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: out in a tied on globalizations going out now. Globalization 337 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 1: is not often necessarily thought of this way, but it 338 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: is the process that is promoted by globalists. And now 339 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: just so we can separate out definitionally because we're gonna 340 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep talking about this. I find this to 341 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: be fastening. I think this is central to the current 342 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: political up upheaval and tumult in this country. This is 343 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: the argument. It's just playing out in different ways here. 344 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: But the argument over immigration, the argument over of national security, 345 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: and over the surveillance state, and all of this ties 346 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: into these issues of globalization and internationalism in in different ways, 347 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: not with everything, but in different ways. Um, But globalization 348 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: tends to or globalism is the add tute of placing. 349 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: This is just a definition out of a textbook here 350 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: off the internet of the entire world above an individual nation. 351 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Internationalism is that cooperation among nations will be a good 352 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: thing over the interests of a particular nation. So globalism 353 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: is just an elevated version of internationalism. People are rejecting this, 354 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: and they're not rejecting because they're done. They're rejecting it 355 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: because they're paying attention. Buck Sexton. With America now, where 356 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: there is always something to talk about, where you can 357 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: trade opinions with Buck, I'm not sure you'll win, though. 358 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight 359 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred two eight to five. All right, Buck, 360 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: you're on internationalism, globalism, nationalism, patriotism. So many terms, so 361 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: many words. Important to define them and to understand them 362 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and to argue over them because we have had to learn, 363 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I think, oftentimes the hard way in this country that 364 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: the left is always willing to both uh sees and 365 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: then change words. Right they they will. They will grab 366 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: a word and they will decide that it means something 367 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: new or something different, or they will insist on certain 368 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: words being used in a discussion. Perfect. The easy example 369 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: of this is undocumented, which has been a progression away 370 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: from initially what was just the legal terminology was illegal alien, 371 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: which never was to suggest that people who come here 372 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: from any other country or continent are showing up in 373 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: a UFO and are green and you know e t 374 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: phone home and all that stuff. It was just the 375 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: terminology was an illegal alien um and now and then 376 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: it became an illegal immigrant. Of course, then that brings 377 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: out the connection between immigrants in our past and these 378 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: immigrants and how diver And then even beyond that, they 379 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: didn't like the description of illegal at the front because well, 380 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: if it's illegal, doesn't mean there's a problem. So now 381 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: we're just supposed to say undocumented and the implication of 382 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: undocumented as well. If we only got them documents, the 383 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: problem would be solved. Oh, amnesty, Look how look how 384 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: we just moved down that road so quickly. So the 385 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: words matter and the terminology matters. And you've noticed this 386 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: whenever somebody begins to talk about Trump's ideology, which is 387 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: a restaurant such as such as anybody can define it 388 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and and that I'm not pretending that it's not malleable, 389 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: that it doesn't change, that there aren't differences over time. 390 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: But nationalism is has become or has been made something 391 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: of a of a dirty word. Nationalism is a bad thing. 392 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: What is the description we're supposed to use for sovereignty, 393 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: secure boarders and and a belief in support boarding and 394 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: being a part of one nation. Over others. Yeah, there 395 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: is a separatism that comes from that too. You are 396 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: separate and distinct from those from who are citizens of 397 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: other countries or other states. If you're going to have 398 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: a nation state system, unless you don't believe in that 399 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: at all, unless you believe the whole system is wrong 400 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: and should be eliminated. And that's where we get into 401 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: this one world government ideology. Some call it also a 402 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: little ferred to it as a cosmopolitanism, which that to 403 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: me just sounds like a bunch of ladies are having 404 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: fancy cocktails together somewhere. It's cosmopolitanism, So it doesn't really 405 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: work as a term. Globalism would be I think a 406 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: good term. I think globalism would be a good one 407 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: to use in this context, especially because globalism is the 408 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: ideology that surrounds the process of globalization. But if you 409 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: listen to enough talking heads out there, if you're already 410 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: somebody who consumes a lot of media, you probably expect 411 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: me to start going global is the illuminati, you know, 412 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's they're coming free people. I mean globalist 413 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: like it's real, it's happening, you know. You know, I 414 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: don't say it didn't warn you. And that's so I 415 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: don't want to get into that either, because I'm not 416 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: trying to talking speak about this as though it's a 417 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: conspiracy and freak people out. Um. But then pat patriotism 418 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: is not a particularly useful descriptor either, because you and 419 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: I think of patriotism as well. We love America. M I. 420 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: I would uh fight for and die for this country. 421 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: I love this country, I love it's people, and we 422 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: think that that has certain implications for how one acts 423 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: and behaves. Right, So, because I love America, because you 424 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: love America, it would it seems strange to show that 425 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: love to you and to me, it would seem to 426 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: be an unpatriotic act to burn the flag and talk 427 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: about how we're a racist, misogynist, imperialistic country that does 428 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: all these terrible things around the world, that's responsible for 429 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: so much destruction and displacement all over the world. There 430 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: are many people the American left believes that that is 431 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: a form of patriotism because they're holding America to account, 432 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: or they're they're making it a better country. They are 433 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: fundamentally transforming the country. So we can try to fight 434 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: back on patriotism or fight back on the meaning of it. 435 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: What the implications of being a patriot are the only 436 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: place we seem to agree left and right in a 437 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: general sense as well. If you if you serve in 438 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: the armed forces, you're a patriot. But patriotism as a 439 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: term is much more hotly disputed. And then that leaves 440 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: us with internationalism, which is generally defined as cooperation among nations. Um. 441 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: But you see that the terminology here matters, because what 442 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: we're left with when we go through this is there 443 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: really is no good way to describe Trumpism other than 444 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: to call it trump Ism and all the baggage that 445 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: that brings with it, good and bad depending on who 446 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: you are and how you view it. Um. But what 447 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: you see with the Trump phenomenon in this country, the 448 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: political movement that exists here, is a displacement of and 449 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: and really in a sense a competing ideology to what 450 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: we've been told for for decades now and what we've 451 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: been led to believe. With the rise of truly global 452 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: instantaneous communications and technology, and with the increasing stature at 453 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: least not really a particularly glorious record of achievement, but 454 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: the increasing stature of international institutions, we have entered a 455 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: new globalist, internationalist era. And I have been told that 456 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: this will all be good. But then you start to 457 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: get into what does mass migration mean for a culture 458 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: that is unrestrained from very disparate cultures. We see what's 459 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: happening in some European countries and people have concerns about 460 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: what it would mean here in this country. What does 461 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: it mean to allow people to make decisions for you 462 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: in your day to day life based on whether it's 463 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: climate change or based on their conception of what international 464 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: humanitarian and human rights are and what the obligations that 465 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: we have as citizens of this country to citizens of 466 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: every other country are. We've just been and we've seen 467 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: this been playing out in front of our very eyes 468 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. You have federal judges in 469 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: this country who outright assert that non citizens have a 470 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: right to come here or have a right to at 471 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: least challenge their inability to come here. And they have 472 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: and in that sense they can override the commander in chief. 473 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: So as this all continues to be really in a 474 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: lot of ways judged as or judged by the Trump administration, 475 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: this all happens and people look at the Trump administration, 476 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: they say, well, this is American out turning towards a 477 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: new nationalism. I just think it's important to look at 478 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: the other side of this, which is what we've all 479 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: been promised for a long time. There is a sense 480 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: of belonging that people have to a nation state. And 481 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: you can this back to ancient Greece and the polity, 482 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: the political union, or the or the polis, the city state, 483 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: which was the original and Western civilization. The original manifestation 484 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: of belonging to a state was the police, whether it 485 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: was Athens or Nentian, Sparta or Corinth or you go 486 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: down the line of all of those uh revered and 487 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: historically so crucial cities that have in many cases been 488 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: and not lost to history, but no no longer even 489 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: really get much attention at all. They were very important 490 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: at one point in time, and it's because the origins 491 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: of Western civilization in many ways were found in those 492 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: cities on the Greek Peloponnese. So now today, obviously many 493 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: many centuries after that, we're starting to ask some very 494 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: fundamental questions. Those questions involved what are my obligations to 495 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: the state. Uh, what does it mean to be a 496 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: free citizen in a liberal democracy? Do you get to 497 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: defend your borders. Do you get to protect borders? Can 498 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: you decide who comes and who doesn't? What does it 499 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: mean for your economic relations with other countries? Do you 500 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: just allow them to do what they want to do 501 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: to the privilege to get access to this global economy? 502 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: And those who are left behind are told that they 503 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: will continuously fight it out and compete with unskilled labor 504 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: and those who are uh not at the higher end 505 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: of the education spectrum in terms of finished degrees and 506 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: masters and PhDs, and they that's just tough. Deal with it. 507 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: This is part of globalization. Sorry. These are questions for 508 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: which the internationalists don't have good answers, and people have become, 509 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: I think, very sick of it, many of them, not 510 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: all of them. If you live in a major US city, 511 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: you probably there's just politically speaking, a very high likelihood 512 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: that you think that what Bill Clinton was espousing at 513 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: that Brookings meeting is true, which is that any concerns 514 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: over the elimination of sovereignty in the United States, that 515 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: or the slow erosion of sovereignty depends on how fast 516 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: you want to say we're going down this this road, 517 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: how fast the scale is tipping in the direction anything, 518 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: any concerns you have over that are just rooted in 519 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: bigotry and prejudice and hatred of those who are different 520 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: from you. When the history of a society that is 521 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: politically disjointed is not one that is particularly this is 522 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: this does not end in happiness, if you want to 523 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: look at a historical perspective on this, If you're not 524 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: at least united in the very basic ideas of what 525 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: it means to be a citizen and what your obligations, 526 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: both the state's obligations to you and your obligations to 527 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: the state, and I think the first is much more 528 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: important in all of our minds and should be than 529 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: the latter. What holds all of us together? Technocrats, What 530 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden are we listening to elected bodies 531 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: that don't represent our most basic ideals? You know, here's 532 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: a fun thought experiment. If you're living in a country 533 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: where there is a surge in illiberal entrance, people who 534 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: are opposed to liberty for one reason or another, and 535 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: there are a large part of part of the population, 536 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: and in time they become a majority of the population, 537 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: and your basic conceptions of liberty are challenged by this group. 538 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: By this ideology, and I don't have to give it 539 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: a name. It could be any number of isms that 540 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: are out there. Communism, Islamism, you name it, Marxism, socialism, 541 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: you get on the list. But if a majority in 542 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: your country, what what mechanisms do we have in place 543 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: to protect us from the erosion of the very basic foundational, 544 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: underlying agreement we all have in a country about what 545 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: the state means and what our role in the state is. 546 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: What do we do then, all of a sudden, when 547 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: decides that the other don't have rights, you say, oh, 548 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: but buck the constitution in our case, that'll protect us. Really, 549 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard some left wingers say it, but 550 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: the Constitution is a piece of paper. The Constitution's authority 551 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: comes from our universal agreement that it has authority. Right, 552 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't say it only works because Americans 553 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: make it work. It only has power because the American 554 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: people imbue it with power. But other than that, if 555 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: enough people wanted to amend and eliminate the Constitution, they 556 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: could find a way to do it. And for those 557 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: who say, oh no, buck an art system, that wouldn't 558 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: even really be possible. You'd have to have such an Okay, Well, 559 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union had quite a constitution, but it didn't 560 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: matter because the power was invested in the constitution by 561 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: the Soviet people. And it's actually one of the ways 562 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: that they try to excuse the failures of communism in 563 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union in retrospect was to say that it's 564 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: because Russia didn't have was a was a poor and 565 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: backwards country at the time of the adoption of the 566 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: Communist revolution and the communist principles, and it also didn't 567 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: have a tradition of democracy and individual rights, so a 568 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: constitution was meaningless there. Well, maybe it was meaningless because 569 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: of the prevalent ideology. But bring it all back here 570 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: to America for a second. Why is it strange for 571 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: us to challenge these sacred cows? Why is it problematic 572 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: for us to look at what has been promised to 573 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: us as nothing but endless, nothing but unless prosperity. I 574 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: would ask you this, what have you been told is 575 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: a downs other than offshoring of some jobs, which they'll 576 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: always tell you, well, that's just competition, man. Other than 577 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: offshoring of jobs, what do they tell you the drawbacks 578 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: of globalization? Are internationalist globalists? Are they even aware of 579 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: how their positions can cause problems. Were people in this country, 580 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: I think most of them would all of a sudden 581 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: starts stuttering and bumbling, and they have nothing for you. 582 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: It's just all supposed to be good, just like what 583 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: they tell us about, for example, illegal and massive legal 584 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: immigration this country. It's always good, there is no downside. 585 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: Whenever a political movement or a politician tries to sell 586 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: you on something and refuses to say there's any trade off, 587 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: you should be more than skeptical. You should just refuse 588 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: to believe it. And people have started to refuse to 589 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: believe in this internationalist impulse. And in that sense, it 590 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: is the new God that failed. It's not actually a god. 591 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: I'll explain what I mean by that in a second, 592 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: but it's a reference to a very important Book'll be 593 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: back with you in just a few but eight four 594 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: four to eight to five, stay with me, Team Buck. 595 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: Phone lines are open eight four four two to buck. 596 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: What do you think of all this globalization, internationalism, globalist 597 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: nationalist talk, This kind of stuff gets you fired up 598 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: around the dinner table. I hope. Well, we'll see Eric 599 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: in Mississippi on w BUV. What's up, Eric, Hey, how 600 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: you doing. I'm good, Yeah, good, Hey, Uh, I just 601 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: was listening to you talk about globalization, and uh, there's 602 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: a fine line or a narrow point that a lot 603 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: of these people aren't thinking about. You know, here in America, 604 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, they always talk about how the four need 605 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: to be helped and how the rich need to pay 606 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: their fair share. What people don't realize is to the world. 607 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: Even a wealfair recipient in America is the rich to 608 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: the world. So when you start globalizing, they're gonna start 609 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: take saying that we need to do our fair share 610 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: to take care of people. Well, now America is the rich, 611 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: and the rich are gonna have to pay their fair share. 612 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean every welfairy ship you will have. Well if 613 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: you mean this in the for example, there's there's a 614 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: form of of massive wealth redistribution that is at the 615 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: heart of a lot of the international climate change agreements. 616 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: This is what's often lost. We're talking to this, they say, oh, 617 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: it's to save the world, but really what you have 618 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: is the developing world subsidizing I'm sorry, the developed world 619 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: subsidizing the developing world as a sort of punishment for 620 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: our advances made using a carbon based carbon fuel based economy, 621 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: which our economy is. But if if we didn't have 622 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: carbon based fuels, we would not this whole thing we 623 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: live in this America where we've got heat and light 624 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: and smartphones and computers and cars. All that all goes 625 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: away and we wouldn't even be at a place where 626 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: we could talk about alternative energy sources because it wouldn't 627 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: have the energy sources in the first place to have 628 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: the research to do any of this. But we're supposed 629 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: to pay the developing world because they're not supposed to 630 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: use that. They're not supposed to burn off coal. They're 631 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: supposed to just get subsidies from the It's it's crazy, 632 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: but people believe this. I mean when I say people, 633 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: I don't mean guys who are blogging somewhere and hanging 634 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: out with their drum circle after their master's class and 635 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: basket weaving. I mean international bodies that try to get 636 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: the US to be signatory to a binding treaty that 637 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: they want there to be a massive transfer of wealth. 638 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, you mentioned how the rest of 639 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: the world is much of the rest of the world 640 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: is very poor compared to America. Look, it is true 641 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: that capitalism and globalization is responsible for lifting more people 642 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: out of poverty in the last hundred years, then we're 643 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: lift out of poverty by an economic system in in 644 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: all of human history before that. But it is also 645 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: true that if you're living in America now and the 646 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: government's position is anybody wants to come here, can come 647 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: here and compete with you for a job. Uh, if 648 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: you can be undercut by wages from people where the 649 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: average person makes two dollars a day, you're gonna have 650 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: a really rough time competing on that scale. You see 651 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, if we really are open 652 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: in borders, then all of a sudden, Uh, the privileging 653 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: of American citizens that exists in the economy goes away entirely. Yeah, 654 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy stuff. Yeah, I'm here, but we're about to leave, 655 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: So we got thirty seconds. Oh no, I've dated my point. 656 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: You know, people who have fought the global stage or 657 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: a world government. If you are the rich of the world, yeah, 658 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: well it will not not not not rich compared to 659 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of other rich people 660 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: around the world. But thank you, Eric Soros is cutting 661 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: off your phone. That's not the want to to keep 662 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: talking to me on the Buck Sex then show with 663 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: America now, but maybe one day he will let you 664 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: come back and call our tools start soon. Is back, 665 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: everybody bucks back. It's more of America now, throwing your 666 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: two cents one a four four nine buck one eight 667 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: four four to eight to five. Welcome back, everybody. We've 668 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: got Ben Shapiro on the line. He is the editor 669 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: in chief of Daily Wire dot com. He's a syndicated 670 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: columnist and host of The Ben Shapiro Show. Ben, great 671 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: to have you. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 672 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: Of course. Let's first start with your your colleague or 673 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: he works for you, are with you. I'm not sure which. 674 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: But Michael Knowles at the Daily Wire rotor tell us 675 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: about this Amazon number one best selling book. Yeah, so, 676 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: so Knowles is is a prankster, and so Knowals put 677 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: up a book a create space. He published it himself. 678 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: It's a book called Reasons to Vote Democratic Comprehensive Guide, 679 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: And it's two sixty six pages of nothing, like literally 680 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: nothing in his blank paper. And it has the ladings 681 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: at the top, you know, things like economics and race 682 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: and and and manage to blank because there's no reason 683 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: to vote Democrats and you know I put a quote 684 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: on the front convenance at thorough and we put it 685 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: out there a joke, and it started to really take 686 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: off because it was it was conservatives buying it as 687 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: pranks for their for their lefty friends, and it starts 688 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: to trend up the charts. It is now number one 689 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: on Amazon overall. It's telling better than the Bible, you know, 690 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's literally a blank books reasons to vote Democrats. 691 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: It's it's pretty hilarious. And what's having even more hilarious 692 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: at this point because it's the top book on Amazon. 693 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: You got to imagine their Democrats are buying it, not 694 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: knowing what's innis and looking and thinking this is a 695 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: great idea, and then just buy and buying it and 696 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: then realizing too late, after they've spent their seven or 697 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: eight bucks that that actually it's just a blank book. 698 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's it's an amazing, amazing story. It's 699 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: it makes me happy and sad all at once, you know, 700 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: like as somebody who's who's wasted his life putting actual 701 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 1: words in books, it makes me very sad. I said 702 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: to I said to Knowles this morning, I said of 703 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: Michael Miles, this morning that I'm not going to say 704 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: congratulations to him because that would imply actual approval. But 705 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: it is a really really funny, sing excellent marketing about 706 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: you know. It reminds me that a lot of people, 707 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: I think, buy books, especially off of Amazon, just to 708 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: buy them and they never read them. I'm pretty sure 709 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: that uh, Pekades Capital you could you could have anything 710 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: written in the middle of that thing and nobody would 711 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: even know. A lot of people just bought Thomas Pekads 712 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: book because why not. And it reminds you also that 713 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: the trolling is really fun. But you know, at some 714 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: point you should also buy the book about you know, 715 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: like whack conservative ideas are good supposed to just the 716 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: one or you make fun of Democrats for being democrats. 717 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: So it is it is really funny. There by the way, 718 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: the second apparently blank book that's out there that Democrats 719 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: put out there about reasons to love Donald Trump or something, 720 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: and it's blank and it's ranked like on Amazon, so 721 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: that that hasn't done a big business. So there is 722 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: justice in the world after all. Ben. That's good to know. 723 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: Let's get onto on some of your other pieces here 724 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: on the Daily wire dot com site. You're the founder 725 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: and editor in chief. Correct, yes, oh, there we go. Okay, 726 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: So you know, I've I've had a few people on 727 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: on this, and I just wanted your not a hot take, 728 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: because that makes it sound like, you know, we're just 729 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: getting this through quickly and you haven't thought about it. 730 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: But you're short and you're you're quick and dirty. On Obamacare, 731 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: we had O vic Roy on Guy Benson, and we've 732 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: been talking to this a lot. But the GOP bill 733 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: that's out there right now, where is it? Stink burger? 734 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: Not great? But okay, where are you on this? I 735 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: think it sucks, I think it's I think it's a 736 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: crappy bill. I'm not I'm not sure about saying so, 737 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: because I think that you know, it depends on what 738 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: your expectations were. If your expectation was that they were 739 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: just going to put forward a plan that basically kept 740 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: in place most of the major provisions of Obamacare, that 741 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: has a backdoor man date but not a but not 742 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: a real mandate, that is going to maintain all of 743 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: the restrictions on insurance companies, they look, they know that 744 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: it's a crab burger, and the problem is that now 745 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: they're saying it's part one of three. Okay, Well, normally, 746 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: if you're gonna sell me a crapburger, you have to 747 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: tell me exactly what else is in the burger. If 748 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: you if you're just gonna if you're gonna tell me 749 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: that it's here's here's the poop, and now we're not 750 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: going to tell you, you know, whether there's actual good 751 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: stuff in here, then I'm only going to judge you 752 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: by what you put out there. Again, I'm not a 753 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: big fan of these big omnibus packages. It's a hundred 754 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: and twenty page bill that impacts thousands of pages of regulations, 755 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: and it seems to me that they'd be better off 756 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: just passing a full repeal and then doing, you know, 757 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: a little four page bills that you neither get people 758 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: to agree or disagree on. Instead, what they keep doing 759 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: is they keep presenting these options that are the lesser 760 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: of two evils. Well, you can either have repeal and 761 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: replaced with this, or you can just keep Obamacare the 762 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: way it is. And why I don't understand and why 763 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: why is it every bill has to be some comprehensive 764 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: take on the government involvement in healthcare. There's a bunch 765 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: of different problems with this bill, you know, aside from 766 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: the specifics. The first one is, I just don't understand 767 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: why Republicans keep falling into the trap of reinshrining the 768 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: basic left disposition. The government has a role in health, 769 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: in hurts and healthcare, it's not the government's job being 770 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: involved in this as number one. Number two, and you've 771 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: got the you've got the problem with interfering in the 772 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: free market is, as I said on my podcast this morning, 773 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: once you pull away one foundational plank of the free market, 774 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: then it's like a domino effect because it creates a 775 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: problem that you didn't foresee, and now you have to 776 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,240 Speaker 1: have more government involved to quote unquote solved the problem. 777 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: So they start with this idea that we've got a 778 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: major problem here with people who have pre existing conditions 779 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: not being able to buy health insurance. Okay, well that's 780 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: because that's the insurance works. You can't have a pre 781 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: existing fire condition on your house. I eat it burned down, 782 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: and now you want and you bought you bought fire insurance. 783 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: No insurance company will sell that to you. If you 784 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: really want to solve the particular problem pre existing conditions, 785 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: you actually need communities to come together, and you need charity, 786 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 1: and you need family, and you need people to help 787 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: out on stuff like this, and you need free an 788 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: open market where there's competition and price for services. But 789 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: we don't have any of that. So instead what you 790 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: see is people say, Okay, well let's keep the provision 791 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: that has pre existing conditions have to be covered by insurance. Well, 792 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: once you do that, now you are left in a 793 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: position where you either have to subsidize the insurance companies 794 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: or force people buy insurance. Yeah, and it's not just 795 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: it's also the Medicaid expansion stays in place till twenty Uh. 796 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: You're saying that the government is in and this is 797 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: just on the budgetary side of things, because this is 798 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: all about the reconciliation uh movement that they can do. 799 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: But they can't do everything. So we're told there'll be 800 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: other stuff that comes later. But I was just saying 801 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: this yesterday event. I feel like there's been a uh 802 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: the white flag of surrender in a sense has been 803 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: waived by a lot of Republicans already on we're not 804 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: going to make people live with their health care choices. 805 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: To your point about about buying insurance, when your house 806 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: is on fire. We're we're now decided not only is 807 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: is it not health insurance, it's actually just health care 808 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: that is subsidized. We we have subsidized healthcare. We don't 809 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 1: have health insurance in this country. And beyond that, we 810 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: were unwilling to make people live with the consequences of 811 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 1: their decisions when it comes to you know, maybe everybody 812 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: should get health care under any circumstances, no matter what. 813 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: For a life threatening condition, of course, but somebody's gonna 814 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: pay for this. And if you don't have insurance, people 815 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: are gonna go and they're gonna lose a lot of 816 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: money on this. Yeah, but that's exactly right. And you're 817 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: seeing that happen with Obamacare. You're seeing that Obamacare tried 818 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: to force insurance companies in the position of covering pre 819 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: existing conditions, the promised to subsidize them, enforce people by 820 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: the insurance and every major insurer in the country is 821 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: think about pulling out of Obamacare because it just doesn't 822 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: work this way. And now you're seeing Republicans coming and say, oh, well, 823 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: we'll do government better. I don't think that conservatism is 824 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: about doing the been better. I think it's about the 825 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: acknowledgement that government can't do this stuff and shouldn't be 826 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: doing this stuff. I think very very few people even 827 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: know that. I believe under existing regulations with Obamacare, a 828 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: state can allow another state, or rather a state will 829 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 1: can allow an individual in that state to buy health 830 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: insurance in another state. And people point to this as 831 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: they see it's there. But no state has done this, 832 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of complexity. So even even leaving 833 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: it to the state level, I don't think it's going 834 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: to be the pannasee that people think it is. But 835 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: I want to ask you specifically about the congressional side 836 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: of this, and what was the Tucker last night asked, uh, yeah, 837 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: he asked Paul Ryan about the eight days of work 838 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: play clip forty four, If you would please unforestlation have 839 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: been signed by the presidents of law, well, the Senate here, 840 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: so here's these are any good questions? These are very good. 841 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got a few through. I want to 842 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: one of the build signings myself, the one with the 843 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: coal workers is one of these cases. So we've got 844 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: the Senate now they have to approve Donald Trump's cabinet. 845 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: They have to put people through the Senate to populate 846 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: the Trump government, and Chuck Schumer can burn up to 847 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: thirty hours per person in right, we're and so and so. 848 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 1: What we're doing is in between that the sentence working 849 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: on the Congression Review Act amendments, which are repealing Obamacare regulations. 850 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: The point being, Tucker is, we're executing our plan exactly 851 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: as we had planned. We're going after Obama regulations. We're 852 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,320 Speaker 1: giving Donald Trump the people he needs to staff his government. 853 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: The houses in session for eight days in April, there's 854 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: a lot to do. Nothing meaningful really has been when 855 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,879 Speaker 1: you could say, I went to a bill siding about Cole. 856 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of stuff that hasn't been done 857 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: that he promised and it hasn't made his way through Congress. 858 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: Not all your fault, obviously, but eight days is not 859 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time to be working in an entire month. 860 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: Why actually, we're we're producing a lot here. I don't know, 861 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: not seldom that one. Ben, What do you think? Yeah, No, 862 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Tucker Carlson's 863 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: skeptical place, but his his skeptical amuspates was used to 864 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: fantastic effect on on Paul Ryan last night. I mean, 865 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: Paul Ryan has just become so pusillanimous in all of this. Again, 866 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: what's amazing to me is that we are, now what 867 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: two months into the Trump administration. We haven't seen a 868 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: single major piece of legislation from the Republican Congress. And 869 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: the first one they come forward with his pisocraph like, 870 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,320 Speaker 1: what what do they do for a living? What do 871 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: they actually do for a loving You want to know 872 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 1: how you got Trump, folks, this is how you got Trump. 873 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,760 Speaker 1: The way they got Trump is whople are so frustrated 874 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: with Congress. They said, let's elect the guy who's gonna 875 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: go in and break everything. And I promise you the 876 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: way this is gonna work out is going to be 877 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: that Ryan's previous and Paul Ryan are going to take 878 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: a shell lacking come Donald Trump because Donald Trump is 879 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: gonna get hit in the polls because of this stuff. 880 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: If this, if this goes bad, and precisely you could 881 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: see this is a major issue. You could see an 882 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: actual Republican breakdown this early on. If all of this 883 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 1: goes south, If if this bill does not go forward, 884 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: and it's not a good bill, but if the bill 885 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: doesn't go forward, you could see Ryan lose faith with Trump, 886 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: and you could see Trump kind of go his own 887 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: way and do a bunch of other stuff. And in 888 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: some ways Ryan is not great. In some ways he's 889 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: a militating force against some of the things that Trump 890 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: wants to do, like the trillion dollar infrastructure package. So, 891 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: you know, this is it's amazing they decided to lead 892 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: with this. I actually can't believe they did. It. Seems 893 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: to me they should have led with the tax reform stuff. 894 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: And as far as the oh it's reconciliation versus you know, 895 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: you have passed through the Senate with sixty votes. Okay, 896 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: so that so the hell what you know? So, so 897 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: put up some good legislation. How about this? How about 898 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: you have a basic job that is to put up 899 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: good legislation that we can all defend an all root for, 900 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: as opposed to bad legislation that half of us think 901 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: is absolute darmage. Do you think we should start they 902 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: should start a new rather you think that this is 903 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: or is it enough to say, well, there'll be fixes 904 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: and amendments we had uh Louis Gohmert saying that you know, 905 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,720 Speaker 1: somewhere in the big pile of refuse, they'll find a pony. 906 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 1: He didn't say refugee. I mean, I mean again, if 907 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Republicans now dominate the legislature and 908 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: run the White House, why they have to sift through 909 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: to get to the pony, I'm just confused. Like this, 910 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 1: Barack Obama was able to put forward a plan that 911 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: had no compromises, passed with the only Democratic votes. Why 912 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: exactly would I mean, his his only compromise was not 913 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: putting in place of public option. That literally his only 914 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: compromised on that film. Why exactly should we have to compromise? Yeah? 915 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: Why why is Obama and the Democrats? Why are they 916 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: able to go scorched earth and Republicans have to go 917 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, tepidly and and and meekly into the fray. Yeah, 918 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely bewildering to me. It's like you're not 919 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: gonna win any Democratic quotes anyway. But I'll tell you 920 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: what this really is. But this really is, it's a 921 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: bunch of Republicans and swing districts or in or in 922 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: red districts that they're they're scared of one Trump because 923 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: Trump has put his way behind us, and too, they're 924 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: scared of their own constituents because they think that if 925 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: they start cutting entitlement programs, are gonna get nailed for it. Well, 926 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if there's ever a time for political courage, gang, 927 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: this is it. We were told that the world was 928 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: going to implode, all of humanity would end if Donald 929 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,399 Speaker 1: Trump was an elected Republicans didn't gain Congress to save 930 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 1: us all. Okay, let's see some savings. Let's see some saving. Like, 931 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: a lot of people made a lot of compromises during 932 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: this election cycle in order to get to this point. 933 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: We're at this point now, Okay, Let's see the solutions 934 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: that you have that are actually going to make things better, 935 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: not the ones that are going to trim around the 936 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: edges and supposedly ensure your political future. By the way, 937 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 1: it's not going to ensure your political future because every 938 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 1: time you fall prey to this idiocy or say well, 939 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: if we just created a new entitlement program, people will 940 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: love us. Really, how has that worked out for a publics. Yeah, 941 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,280 Speaker 1: they're competing with Santa Clau, and Santa Claus is always 942 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: gonna win. The Democrats are Santa Claus. It's just insane. 943 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: It's just insane, And I don't see the purpose of it. 944 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't see the ration now behind it, you know, 945 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: other than to try and fib to the followers, the 946 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: people who are certainly ardent based members, and say, yeah, 947 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: we did repeal and we did replace. We kept our promise, 948 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 1: but we kept our promise by replacing it with something 949 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: that looks a lot like what was there before. Again, 950 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: this is you don't think it's fixed, but you don't 951 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: think it's fixable. This is what that And there's step 952 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 1: two and step three and it's Trump. So there's four 953 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: D chess. Again. I don't see where if you're if 954 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: they're Lena, say it's fixable, how about they proposed to 955 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: me some fixes, Like I'm sure everything is fixable. I 956 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: can fix it right now by burning the stupid thing 957 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: and then creating a one page bill that says repeal Obamacare. 958 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not that difficult if you actually 959 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: care about getting to market based solutions. But I think 960 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: Republicans are scared of getting your market based solutions. I 961 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: think what they actually want to do. I think this 962 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: is I think the real Trumpan for D chess here 963 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: is what they actually want is to this build to 964 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: go down in flames. I think is what what you know, 965 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon and some members of the White House want 966 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: this bill goes down in flames. Trump sits around, he 967 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: blames the Democrats for not compromising and blames the Republicans. 968 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: Where two week need to get this thing through, and 969 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: then the Republicans go back to their district and they say, look, 970 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,800 Speaker 1: we tried to pass the best bill we could and 971 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: we need more Republicans in order to do this. It 972 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: just turns into another political ledge issue, and yeah, you 973 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: have to give us. Now we need sixty. It's not 974 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: enough to have a majority. Now we need sixty. That's 975 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: that's where you think this is going. Yeah, I think 976 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 1: that's where it's going. And I think that and I 977 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: think that, you know, President Trump is has basically said 978 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: as much apparently, I mean the reports today that he says, 979 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,360 Speaker 1: if we can't pass this bill, he's going to Obamacare 980 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: sit out there and just continue sucking, and then he 981 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: will come back in two years and help campaign on 982 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: the basis of Obamacare continuing to be a piece of 983 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 1: garbage legislation. Okay, well, that's good so far as it goes. 984 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: But it seems to me that you're, you know, for 985 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: all the people who are saying that, you know, it's 986 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: a big risk not to let bunch of Republicans time. 987 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: It seems to be a bigger risk is to let 988 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: a an entitlement program continue to gain head heads of 989 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,920 Speaker 1: scheme while you sit around betting that maybe you'll get 990 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: the sixty at some point in the in the future. 991 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,799 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro is editor in chief of The Daily Wire 992 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,320 Speaker 1: dot Com check it Out, syndicated columnist, host of The 993 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro Show and The Ben Shapiro Podcast. Sir, great 994 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: to have you been. Come back soon, team hitting a break, 995 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: You're right back. Some breaking news from a little earlier 996 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: today happened over in Europe. Six injured after axe wielding 997 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 1: man is from the Daily Mail goes on rampage in 998 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: a Dusldorf train station as an accomplice is arrested by 999 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,760 Speaker 1: anti terror police after jumping off a bridge to escape 1000 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: Daily Mail with those super intense long headlines. That's how 1001 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: they that's how they do what they do. Um but 1002 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: here any terror police are involved. Six people are injured 1003 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: by this axe wielding maniac. He went into a Douzeldorf 1004 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: train station. So you've got a mass, a mass transit 1005 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: hub an assailant with an edged weapon in this case 1006 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 1: of an axe who's trying to kill just everyone around him. 1007 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 1: From what I understand, was unsuccessful in killing anybody, but 1008 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: he did hack a thirteen year old girl in the 1009 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: arm um and others had some serious had some serious injuries, 1010 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: but no one reported to have been killed, which is 1011 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: which is good. Um, there's some cell phone footage of this, 1012 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 1: of course, everybody now carries around a camera at an 1013 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: instantaneous transmission device for sound, audio, video, everything else. Uh, 1014 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: not much in the way of of details on this, 1015 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: I wonder. I wonder, for example, why, as I read this, UM, 1016 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,880 Speaker 1: there is no description of the suspect or the individual 1017 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,440 Speaker 1: who has seen fleeing with him. Couldn't that be considered 1018 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: that this was in a public place, This was in 1019 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,799 Speaker 1: a train station where I'm sure there are a lot 1020 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: of cameras. I'm sure there's a lot of surveillance footage 1021 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 1: of of what happened. And yes, we will see some 1022 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: of that, I believe in the days ahead. By the way, 1023 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: it's it's rough what some of the some of the 1024 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: suf is already out there. It's it's bloody, and so 1025 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: if you if you do look up this new story. 1026 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: Just be aware the fact that there are some gruesome 1027 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,799 Speaker 1: some gruesome scenes that are already have already made their 1028 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,319 Speaker 1: way of the internet. But I just I read these 1029 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: stories and I find myself thinking, is this the way 1030 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: it's gonna be? It reminds me of when in New 1031 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: York City here I am, I'll be watching the local 1032 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: uh the local channel here, not not not in a 1033 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 1: local channel like the CBS affiliate, I mean New York 1034 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: one is particularly egregious with this, which to me, it's 1035 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's so it's like NPR, it's so partisan 1036 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,399 Speaker 1: that doesn't even know what partisan is. And they'll run 1037 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: a story about how there's a suspected you know, suspected 1038 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 1: rapist on the loose, and this will be in the 1039 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,880 Speaker 1: context of a a public service announcement or a public 1040 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,320 Speaker 1: awareness aunt. A bolo will be on the lookout for. 1041 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: And I kid you not, this this is how it 1042 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,000 Speaker 1: goes down. They'll say, you know, a woman attacked, escaped 1043 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: from attacker, but you know, suspected sexual assault in the park. 1044 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: Police want, police want everyone to be on the lookout 1045 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: for a uh five ft ten male wearing a sweatshirt 1046 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: and you say, well, that's not particularly useful if they're 1047 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: gonna I mean, that's not really much. Clearly, the the 1048 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: the intended victim in this case, and I'm thinking of 1049 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: one specific incident that I remember seeing and I couldn't 1050 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: believe it they did this way. Clearly the intended victim 1051 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: could give a more detailed description to her to the 1052 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: police than that about the attacker. And this is a 1053 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: person still on the loose. We we want to find 1054 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 1: out who this is. Press just reports, you know, a 1055 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 1: hundred eighty pounds wearing a sweatshirt. That's all we know, 1056 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 1: roughly a pounds, so they can guess the weight um. 1057 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: And here we have, in in the case of Germany, 1058 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: no descriptions of the suspect whatswear. I mean, they'll come 1059 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: out eventually because of course the criminal justice system, they'll 1060 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,239 Speaker 1: have to show who the charges are against it. But 1061 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: when they initially report on this, you can just tell 1062 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 1: there's this there's this sensitivity at work. And maybe I 1063 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe this was a a member of the 1064 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: right wing German of you know, nationalist party whatever. Maybe 1065 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,279 Speaker 1: that's possible, sure, and if that were the case, I'd 1066 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 1: want to know. But I think we can all see 1067 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: this time and again happening, and it's especially acute in 1068 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:25,439 Speaker 1: the context of how jihadiest attacks in in Europe get 1069 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: reported and in Canada by the same thing. In Canada, 1070 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 1: there was this outrage I think I even talked about 1071 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: on the show about a Syrian I believe it was 1072 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: a Syrian refugee who allegedly attacked six very young girls 1073 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,359 Speaker 1: at a water park in Canada. And they didn't want 1074 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: to give a description or anything of this guy, and 1075 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: they were open about how they don't want to give 1076 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: a description because that will create a rise in Islamophobia. 1077 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: And I just think that the media has it all 1078 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,680 Speaker 1: wrong with this. We are we are in Western societies 1079 00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: like Europe, in America and Canada. The citizens are alt 1080 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,560 Speaker 1: enough to hear what's going on. We we can be told, 1081 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: and we don't take that out on innocent people because 1082 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:11,360 Speaker 1: they look the same, worship the same, have some ethnic 1083 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 1: or national origin, the same, with some with some assailance 1084 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: somewhere that that's not and it's not a decision that 1085 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 1: the press should be making, but they make these decisions. 1086 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: So in this case, I don't know, I don't know 1087 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: what this attacker in the douce Ol Dwarf rail station. 1088 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: Look like if he said, I don't know anything for 1089 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: the initial reports, and maybe it's because you know, they're 1090 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,320 Speaker 1: just they don't know. I doubt that I don't know 1091 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: anything about it, but I know that they know more 1092 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: than they're telling us. And you know another here's another 1093 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: example of this, by the way, and I credit my 1094 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,120 Speaker 1: friend Sean Davis, the Federalist with this. One Time Magazine 1095 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: tweets out that a North Carolina teen has been accused 1096 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: of decapitating his mother. That was a new story earlier 1097 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: in the week, and Sean points out that no, it 1098 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: was an eighteen year old illegal immigrant from Honduras. Uh, 1099 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: how does that get translated into a North Carolina teen. 1100 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: He's an adult. He's an adult, and he's an illegal immigrant, 1101 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: and he's from Honduras, but he's a North Carolina. Team. 1102 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,959 Speaker 1: Interesting way to frame that story. All Right, we're gonna 1103 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 1: talk Russia in a minute here, team, I'll be right back. 1104 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,479 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now, where there is always something 1105 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: to talk about where you can trade opinions with Buck. 1106 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'll win, though. Just call eight four 1107 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: four nine hundred, Buck, that's eight four four, nine to 1108 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 1: eight to five. Alright, buck, you're on media is betting 1109 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,600 Speaker 1: big on the Trump Russia's story. I've been saying that 1110 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: to you for a while. And there's a pretty decent 1111 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 1: essay from a lefty in Rolling Stone, which of course 1112 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,280 Speaker 1: is the magazine that wrote the completely fabricated and very 1113 00:58:53,360 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 1: destructive and journalistically wildly unethical and entirely fall else u 1114 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: V a rape story. But Rolling Stone has been around 1115 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 1: for a long time and occasionally it's read some things 1116 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: that they are good. So this author is is Matt Taiebi, 1117 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 1: who clearly doesn't like Trump, is clearly a left wing 1118 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: Democrat kind of guy. But it's interesting because he's taking 1119 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 1: the perspective here that the way that the media has 1120 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 1: set this day the title of pieces why the Russia 1121 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 1: story is a mine field for democrats and the media, 1122 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,919 Speaker 1: And he's there's a lot of astute, astute stuff in here, 1123 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: things that I've been saying in a different context or 1124 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: with of course a different political ideology behind it. But 1125 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: he's pointing out that this is all accepted the whole 1126 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 1: narrative of the Russia hacking, and this is is written 1127 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,880 Speaker 1: about even by many members of the press as though, 1128 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 1: it is just a question of when. It's not a 1129 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,200 Speaker 1: it's not a situation where you look at this and 1130 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,440 Speaker 1: you say, well, maybe they're going to investigate, um, but 1131 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: it it's just a question of time until they find 1132 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,120 Speaker 1: that Trump is part of this horrible conspiracy. He writes, 1133 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,640 Speaker 1: for example, there are inevitably uses of phrases like so 1134 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: far to date and as yet These make visible the 1135 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,960 Speaker 1: outline of a future story that isn't currently reportable, further 1136 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,440 Speaker 1: heightening expectations. This is what I've been saying to you. 1137 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 1: If they had something really damning, we would know. There's 1138 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: no reason to believe it would be held back at 1139 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: this point. Why would anybody in the media hold it back. 1140 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: It would be a huge scoop. They hate Trump, they 1141 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: want to bring him down, as you know. But they 1142 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 1: write about this in such a way that you come 1143 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 1: away from it knowing immediately where they stand on the issue, 1144 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 1: and and that this is just treated as what's smart, 1145 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,520 Speaker 1: This is what smart journalists think. That it's a matter 1146 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 1: of time until Trump is finally found out for being 1147 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: the Russian agent and part of a giant Russia conspiracy 1148 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,520 Speaker 1: that he is. They think, Um, let me give you 1149 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: a little more of what he rights here more, the 1150 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 1: case that the Russians hacked the Democratic National Committee now 1151 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: appears fairly fairly solid. Even Donald Trump thinks. So this 1152 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: of course makes it harder to dismiss stories. Uh well, 1153 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 1: et cetera. He goes a little further there, and then 1154 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: I would say, but the manner in which these stories 1155 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: are reported is becoming a story in its own right. 1156 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Russia has become an obsession, cultural shorthand for a vast 1157 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:43,360 Speaker 1: range of suspicions about Trump that is absolutely true. The Russia, 1158 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 1: the Russia story, the Russia investigation, the Trump Russia conspiracy, 1159 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,760 Speaker 1: calling him the Siberian candidate. All of this stuff that's 1160 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,040 Speaker 1: out there right now is now being taken up as 1161 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: as almost a part of the leftist progressive culture. See 1162 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,160 Speaker 1: the reason that you want to be a leftist or 1163 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,720 Speaker 1: the reason that people often are leftists in this country. 1164 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure some of them believe in social justice and 1165 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 1: they have really a really heartfelt sense that if only 1166 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: we redistributed wealth better, everybody would be better off. And 1167 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: I mentioned The God That Failed is the the book. 1168 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 1: It's a really collection of essays from six former communists 1169 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: in ninety nine, The God that failed was communism, of course, 1170 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and maybe I'll spend more time tomorrow. My first the 1171 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 1: first few segments today went longer on the definitions and 1172 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,120 Speaker 1: internationalism and how I believe internationalism is now for many 1173 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:45,000 Speaker 1: people the new God that failed. Um. But one of 1174 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 1: the things that comes across from former communists is that 1175 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: they recognize that there are many There are smart people 1176 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: and dumb people to whom communism has for whom communism 1177 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,280 Speaker 1: has appealed. There are decent people and terrible people, very 1178 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: good people and terrible people for who communism has ideological appeal. 1179 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,840 Speaker 1: And it then becomes an issue of well, okay, who 1180 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: is adopting this as a posture? Who is adopting this 1181 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 1: because of what it what allows them to say about themselves. Now, communism, 1182 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,800 Speaker 1: course is pretty radical. But in even the case of 1183 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,760 Speaker 1: socialism or being a democrat socialist, are we dealing with 1184 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,160 Speaker 1: individuals who take these positions because they really think that 1185 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,480 Speaker 1: as matters of policy, they'll have better outcomes for all 1186 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,840 Speaker 1: human beings? Or do they take these positions because this 1187 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,760 Speaker 1: is what smart good people do, This is what the 1188 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,760 Speaker 1: smart good people, which, by the way, you see this 1189 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,640 Speaker 1: now with climate change, is probably the best example of 1190 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: this where people who haven't read a science textbook in 1191 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 1: their lives, I mean, including you know, high school and 1192 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 1: grammar school, and they're gonna lecture everybody else on the 1193 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,480 Speaker 1: enormously complex as it was described in one of the 1194 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 1: IPCC reports, the International inter Governmental Panel on Climate Change, 1195 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: the climate is a I think they said it was 1196 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 1: a decoupled nonlinear chaos system or something like that. I mean, 1197 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: it's like, which is a fancy way of saying really complicated. 1198 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: But you're gonna have people that couldn't explain the process 1199 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: of photosynthesis drawing it on a napkin for you that 1200 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,680 Speaker 1: they couldn't do that, but they're gonna tell you about 1201 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: how climate change is so important and if you don't 1202 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,840 Speaker 1: believe in it, you're a bad You're not just stupid, 1203 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,760 Speaker 1: you're a bad person. Russia is now getting put the 1204 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Russia Trump conspiracy is now getting put into that basket 1205 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 1: of things that you believe if you are a leftist 1206 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,040 Speaker 1: who wants to be in good standing with your fellow leftist. 1207 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,480 Speaker 1: It's a posture more than it is a policy position 1208 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of folks. And what you see is 1209 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 1: a gamble, a massive gamble that's being taken by a 1210 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,360 Speaker 1: lot of these journalists because it's it's out there. They've 1211 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,280 Speaker 1: put it out there that they believe that this is 1212 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,440 Speaker 1: all leading to an ultimate, an ultimate moment, at a 1213 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: conclusion that will bring down the Trump administration based on 1214 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 1: the way they write about this. They don't write about 1215 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,680 Speaker 1: this with the skepticism. If you really want to do 1216 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: a really fun exercise, read the way that mainstream newspapers 1217 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: write about the Russia conspiracy, and then read the way 1218 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 1: they would write about Hillary Clinton's email server, which I 1219 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,240 Speaker 1: had people when I was at CNN. There were talking 1220 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 1: heads who I knew because some of the producers were 1221 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,080 Speaker 1: telling me this beyond the scenes, were avoiding me on 1222 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 1: air because one I actually had held the clearance and 1223 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 1: worked with classified information for years, and so I knew 1224 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,480 Speaker 1: what was what. I knew what was illegal and what wasn't. 1225 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,360 Speaker 1: And there was no person they were going to put 1226 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,800 Speaker 1: up against me, No Clinton surrogate, of which there are 1227 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: tons at CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBCCBS. I mean, you've got 1228 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Clinton surrogates hosting shows saying their journalists, but no person 1229 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,600 Speaker 1: was going to sit across from me, especially one who 1230 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 1: had never held the clearance. And knows nothing thing about 1231 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,280 Speaker 1: what classified and protecting classified means. They weren't going to 1232 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: have that debate with me, and look good no matter 1233 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,360 Speaker 1: what you know, no matter how much the host would 1234 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,720 Speaker 1: throw his or her body in front to defend them, 1235 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: and no, please, this is one of our favorites. We're grooming. 1236 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 1: We're grooming this progressive talking ahead for his own show. 1237 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,280 Speaker 1: And there were a few in particular that we're very 1238 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,800 Speaker 1: prominent Clinton folks, and I kept saying I'd see them on. 1239 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: I'd say I'd email the proofs on the show. I'd say, 1240 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,680 Speaker 1: why don't you let me explain to this person, why 1241 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: don't we have a little discussion about how there was 1242 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 1: absolutely no way that what Hillary Clinton did with her 1243 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 1: email server was not a violation of federal law. And 1244 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,640 Speaker 1: that was when the story broke. I mean that was 1245 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,560 Speaker 1: right away, because I said, if this is the main 1246 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,600 Speaker 1: email system that she's using for everything, for all of 1247 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: her communication with staff and everyone else, there's no way 1248 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,600 Speaker 1: that she and she thought that she could do this 1249 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 1: without anyone seeing it. There's no way that she's not 1250 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,600 Speaker 1: going to have classified crossover. But oh, Bucky, you can't 1251 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: remember once being corrected by one of the anchors, Well, 1252 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,280 Speaker 1: that's just you. I said, if she has classified on 1253 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,320 Speaker 1: her server, it would be a crime. And they said, well, 1254 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,880 Speaker 1: that's just your opinion. Man. I didn't say the man part, 1255 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: but no, it's not actually my opinion. That's a statement 1256 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,400 Speaker 1: of legal fact. And it was a statement of legal 1257 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,800 Speaker 1: fact that that's what she did, and they let her. Look. 1258 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 1: I also was honest and telling everybody that even if 1259 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,760 Speaker 1: you press charges against Hillary Clinton for what she did, 1260 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 1: you couldn't. You wouldn't be in a position where you'd 1261 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 1: expect her to get decades in a lock car up, 1262 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,800 Speaker 1: block her up. She's not like a decades in prison 1263 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,400 Speaker 1: for this, because you would look at other kids. I mean, 1264 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 1: they just commuted Chelsea Manning sentence after six years. She 1265 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,760 Speaker 1: put out actively and willfully hundreds of thousands of he 1266 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,720 Speaker 1: put out hundreds of thousands of documents that were classified, 1267 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: mark classified, and all the rest of it. So six years, 1268 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,960 Speaker 1: So with Hillary, you're probably going to get a in 1269 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,720 Speaker 1: a in a fair system for what she did, you'd 1270 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 1: probably it would be like a betray a situation. You 1271 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,840 Speaker 1: plead guilty to a a misdemeanor. You've got a parole 1272 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 1: officer for a year two, and you know that it 1273 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:02,880 Speaker 1: maybe a little more that I don't think they were 1274 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,520 Speaker 1: going to give her jail time, and I don't think 1275 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 1: that in a similar case many people would get real 1276 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,720 Speaker 1: prison time for what she did. Honestly, Honestly, now you're 1277 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,880 Speaker 1: gonna say to me, Buck, what about the individual who 1278 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,880 Speaker 1: took a photo on the sub And first of all, yeah, 1279 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,479 Speaker 1: I think that the way that lower level people are 1280 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,679 Speaker 1: punished for those kinds of infractions is is a complete scandal. 1281 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,599 Speaker 1: It's a disgrace from within our government system. It happens 1282 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,560 Speaker 1: all the time, and you don't even hear about it 1283 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,799 Speaker 1: most of the time because usually it's just professional sanction. 1284 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,960 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily criminal that people face, but their careers 1285 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,160 Speaker 1: ruined over something that can be relatively mine or this 1286 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,599 Speaker 1: very little forgiveness of this, this kind of thing. Um. 1287 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,360 Speaker 1: But with Hillary, what they would say as well, she lacked, 1288 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,080 Speaker 1: she lacked the men's rael, which they let her off 1289 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,120 Speaker 1: on that entirely. I'm just saying they could make a case, 1290 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,080 Speaker 1: a decent defense attorney would make a case that she 1291 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,760 Speaker 1: didn't know that some of this was classified or not. 1292 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,760 Speaker 1: And then you get into anyway, I'm getting deeper into 1293 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the weeds on this than I meant to, and I'm 1294 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,439 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the for the digression for a second here, 1295 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,000 Speaker 1: But alder point I'm trying to make is that the 1296 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,719 Speaker 1: way the media covered that, not only were they skeptical, 1297 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: they were running interference. You see the polar opposite now 1298 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 1: with the Trump Russia conspiracy, which if it if it 1299 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,759 Speaker 1: has found out that Donald Trump met with Russian agents 1300 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 1: and was actively colluding with them, that means taking active 1301 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,200 Speaker 1: steps to help them in their cyber intrusions into the 1302 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: d n C. I'll be one of the first ones 1303 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,559 Speaker 1: to say there there needs to be consequences. This is terrible. 1304 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,040 Speaker 1: I give that the chances of that happening I put 1305 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: in the at this point like the one in ten 1306 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,800 Speaker 1: thousand range. Maybe I just don't see that being a 1307 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,560 Speaker 1: possibility or or a realistic possibility. Do I think that 1308 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,320 Speaker 1: maybe one of the lower level Trump or a lower 1309 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,200 Speaker 1: level Trump aid meeting, I mean, Manafort was campaign chairman 1310 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,400 Speaker 1: for a while, but maybe got a little tip at 1311 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,639 Speaker 1: the Russians were planning a special Hillary surprise and didn't 1312 01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: say much about it or just source said okay, whatever, 1313 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: it's possible, it's not a crime. So there's that, and 1314 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that it through the election, So I 1315 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 1: don't think it really matters. And I also don't know 1316 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,840 Speaker 1: what people would expect the Trump campaign and those circumstances 1317 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 1: to do. It depends on the spect this is a hypothetical, 1318 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,720 Speaker 1: depends on the specificity. Was it just they've got something 1319 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,920 Speaker 1: for your Hillary? I mean, if Vladimir Putin wants to 1320 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,559 Speaker 1: give a speech about a Hillary is the worst ever? 1321 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: Is he allowed to do that? Yeah, he's allowed to 1322 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,799 Speaker 1: do that. So they don't necessarily know what active measures 1323 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,519 Speaker 1: or what steps the Russians would be planning it. But again, 1324 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm even conceding that anything was done much. I don't 1325 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,280 Speaker 1: think there was meaning that they was. There was a 1326 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,479 Speaker 1: meeting between Trump and Russia all on any of these issues. 1327 01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 1: So I think Russia probably hacked email. Yeah, of course 1328 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,960 Speaker 1: I think Russia hacked emails. It wasn't very complicated and 1329 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,799 Speaker 1: it didn't really matter. But the way that they covered 1330 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,559 Speaker 1: Hillary emails versus the way they cover the Trump hacking 1331 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:56,719 Speaker 1: shows you the the artistry of their propaganda, the language 1332 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,800 Speaker 1: they use, the words they choose, the hedging that they 1333 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: do in the one case versus the leaning forward and 1334 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,360 Speaker 1: the pushing it forward. They doing the other. And here 1335 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,559 Speaker 1: you've got a lefty with this Rolling Stone guy Taibi, 1336 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:12,600 Speaker 1: who I think we all are quite certain, absolutely despises 1337 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I mean, I'm guessing maybe I'm wrong, although 1338 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,400 Speaker 1: I would put I put some money on it. Probably. 1339 01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way he doesn't think Trump is 1340 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,479 Speaker 1: the worst. And if I read the article again, I'm 1341 01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,559 Speaker 1: sure I'll find some some telltale signs that he thinks 1342 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:30,040 Speaker 1: Trump is absolutely the worst. But he's cautioning, and this 1343 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,479 Speaker 1: is the important part of this piece. This is what 1344 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 1: I think is interesting. He is cautioning his fellow left 1345 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,000 Speaker 1: wing journalists not to get too ahead of their skis 1346 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,560 Speaker 1: on this, because what if they don't find anything? What 1347 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,040 Speaker 1: if this doesn't go anywhere, or even worse, what if 1348 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,519 Speaker 1: the investigation that Congress says it's doing and that the 1349 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,760 Speaker 1: Democrats say is needed, and that goes forward and there 1350 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 1: they come up with nothing. How can we all then 1351 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,479 Speaker 1: turn around and look at the media that's been presenting 1352 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,519 Speaker 1: this story as though we already know the ending, And 1353 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,800 Speaker 1: that's what they are doing. They're presenting the Russia Trump 1354 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,479 Speaker 1: conspiracy story as though they know the ending, and we're 1355 01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,519 Speaker 1: all just getting there. It's just a matter of time. 1356 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,479 Speaker 1: If they are wrong, what what happens then how are 1357 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,880 Speaker 1: we supposed to believe them after that? I'm not that 1358 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,400 Speaker 1: we really believe them now anyway. But they will have 1359 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,080 Speaker 1: been mounting not just a an all out scorched earth 1360 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: campaign to prevent Trump from becoming president during the campaign 1361 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,559 Speaker 1: in the first place, but then after he becomes president, 1362 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:37,560 Speaker 1: they will have been running with the story that is 1363 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: the biggest fake news story since Dan Rathers National Guard 1364 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,400 Speaker 1: documents with George W. Bush. How can it be seen 1365 01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: as anything other than that? So he is warning his 1366 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,120 Speaker 1: fellow journalist, this left wing journalist, don't be clowns. Stop 1367 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,040 Speaker 1: pretending like the answer to this is already known and 1368 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,880 Speaker 1: we're all going to get there. And I'm sure he 1369 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,240 Speaker 1: probably maybe he even thinks that Trump did this, But 1370 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,439 Speaker 1: without roof journalists lose credibility when they make assertions. And 1371 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if you think they have any credibility 1372 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,920 Speaker 1: all left, But that's kind of where we are, all right. 1373 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I gotta I'm getting too excited here. We're running through 1374 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 1: the through the blocks. I'm forget. I gotta go to 1375 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,320 Speaker 1: a break. Eight four to eight to five, what do 1376 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,400 Speaker 1: you think about the latest on the Russia Trump conspiracy, 1377 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,080 Speaker 1: including the General Flynn registering as a foreign agent for Turkey. 1378 01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,639 Speaker 1: Uh oh, we're gonna have to talk about that, eight 1379 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:30,680 Speaker 1: four four, eight to five. Be right back. Even when 1380 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,479 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm right about some of this stuff, 1381 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,640 Speaker 1: turns out I am right. Matt Taibi, that guy from 1382 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone wrote the piece that I has some very 1383 01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:44,240 Speaker 1: astute segments, or some very very intelligent sections of analysis 1384 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,439 Speaker 1: in it. But I wasn't sure what his position on 1385 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Trump was because I haven't read his stuff in a while. 1386 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,559 Speaker 1: Uh he's he has his latest book out is called 1387 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,120 Speaker 1: Insane Clown President. So I'm thinking he doesn't like Trump. 1388 01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair a fair point to make. Um. Yeah. 1389 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,880 Speaker 1: But at the bottom of his piece, as one I 1390 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,799 Speaker 1: also want to say to this, he writes, the press 1391 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,519 Speaker 1: has to cover this subject, but it can't do it 1392 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,040 Speaker 1: with glibness and excitement, laughing along to s and l 1393 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,560 Speaker 1: routines before it knows for sure what it's dealing with. 1394 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,719 Speaker 1: Reporters should be scared to their marrow by this story. 1395 01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,880 Speaker 1: This is a high wire act and it is a 1396 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,240 Speaker 1: very long way down. We might want to leave the 1397 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,599 Speaker 1: jokes and the nicknames until we get to the other 1398 01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,639 Speaker 1: side wherever that is. Yeah, that is what a reporter 1399 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,240 Speaker 1: would do. You can chase your hunches, but you're not 1400 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,479 Speaker 1: supposed to report on your hunches as fact. And that 1401 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,240 Speaker 1: is what is going on um with so anyway, But 1402 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,320 Speaker 1: his new book is Insane Cloud President, so I'm pretty 1403 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,120 Speaker 1: sure it doesn't like from Also, as a as a 1404 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,080 Speaker 1: follow on to what I was talking about earlier in 1405 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:49,000 Speaker 1: this hour of the axe attack in Dusseldorf, Germany, I've 1406 01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,599 Speaker 1: seen some updates here. The assailant is described as from 1407 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the former Yugoslavia and quote has mental health issues end quote. Okay, Uh, 1408 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,679 Speaker 1: if they know he's from the warmer Yugoslavia, I'm thinking 1409 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,519 Speaker 1: they know more about him than than just that. And 1410 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,760 Speaker 1: has mental issues, Well, yeah, anybody that takes an ax 1411 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,719 Speaker 1: and starts swinging at an injured seven people clearly has 1412 01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,680 Speaker 1: very serious issues. But that doesn't tell us very much 1413 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,680 Speaker 1: of it. But from the former Yugoslavia, from the Balkans, Okay, well, 1414 01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,519 Speaker 1: what is First of all, how do they know? But 1415 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,439 Speaker 1: one of the how they know that my senses they 1416 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,920 Speaker 1: know everything about the suspect and they're just letting out 1417 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,559 Speaker 1: little drips of information anyway. So that's that's just an 1418 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,120 Speaker 1: update there. Um, I do have to talk to you 1419 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:39,519 Speaker 1: a little bit about this latest in the Oh it's 1420 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 1: gonna go into the Trump Russia phile but should it 1421 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,920 Speaker 1: because does it really matter? Do we need to care? 1422 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,599 Speaker 1: NBC News reporting Michael Flynn, General Flynn, who was National 1423 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,000 Speaker 1: Security Advisor for a few weeks. He has disclosed that 1424 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,560 Speaker 1: his lobbying might have helped Turkey. The way this is 1425 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,559 Speaker 1: being a of course, is that he has he has 1426 01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 1: filed paperwork with the Department of Justice under the Foreign 1427 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Agent Registration Unit. This is not helpful to the Trump team, 1428 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,240 Speaker 1: that is for sure, because I'll get into the details 1429 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,519 Speaker 1: of this, and it's this is one of those times 1430 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 1: we're I'm gonna say this to you all team. It's 1431 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,519 Speaker 1: not as bad as it sounds. But yeah, Michael Flynn 1432 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:30,320 Speaker 1: has registered with the UH Foreign Agent Registration Unit. I'll 1433 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 1: get into what that means, and then a lot of 1434 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,400 Speaker 1: other stories coming up. The things that matter most in 1435 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,360 Speaker 1: your day to day life are too important to trust 1436 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,200 Speaker 1: to just anyone. That's that's why that's why he's here. 1437 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:49,040 Speaker 1: Bug Sexton with America Now Sharp Mind strong voice, blug sexton. 1438 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Oh there's more rush of stuff. Oh yes, indeed, first 1439 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,639 Speaker 1: I gotta talking about the Flynn registering as you can't 1440 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,280 Speaker 1: make this stuff up. So got General Flynn registering as 1441 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,120 Speaker 1: a foreign agent. Now okay, that people are gonna make 1442 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,519 Speaker 1: a big deal at NBC News already reporting it. Well, 1443 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,120 Speaker 1: actually the Associated Press reporting an NBC News picking up 1444 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:14,360 Speaker 1: the feed. So here's what happened. Flynn's got a consulting firm. 1445 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,559 Speaker 1: A lot of people that work in government when they leave, 1446 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,679 Speaker 1: especially if they have some fancy title head of something 1447 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,479 Speaker 1: or other or chief of some cool sounding thing, they 1448 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,320 Speaker 1: want to make money in the private sector. Hey it's America, 1449 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta do what you gotta do, pay 1450 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,960 Speaker 1: the bills, and they set up consulting from I have 1451 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,040 Speaker 1: to say, my experience that I've known some of these 1452 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: firms and I've even been uh offered employment at some 1453 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,800 Speaker 1: of these places in the past, is that unless you're 1454 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,639 Speaker 1: a first and unless you're a principal, unless your name 1455 01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,559 Speaker 1: is on the letterhead, you tend to be very you're 1456 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,840 Speaker 1: just a glorified research or so in a lot of places, 1457 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,479 Speaker 1: these international relations consulting firms, unless you have a specific 1458 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: relationship where there's some ass affect of you that they 1459 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: are leveraging anyway, that's not I'm sure not too many 1460 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,800 Speaker 1: we're thinking about running off and working for a K 1461 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,599 Speaker 1: Street international consulting firm. But if you were, I'd say, 1462 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,400 Speaker 1: you really only want to do it if you're going 1463 01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,960 Speaker 1: to be one of the principles generally speaking, not not 1464 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,160 Speaker 1: all the time. I'm speaking very broad, very broad spectrum here. 1465 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 1: But and then there's also what value do they really bring? 1466 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,679 Speaker 1: Rolodex can be very valuable, connections can be very valuable. 1467 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,439 Speaker 1: Then you started getting a little how much influence are 1468 01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,920 Speaker 1: you providing these foreign foreign governments and foreign companies, and 1469 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,160 Speaker 1: you start to run up against some issues of law 1470 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:43,080 Speaker 1: in this country. For example, you have to register with 1471 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,599 Speaker 1: the Just Department if you are going to be doing 1472 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:54,840 Speaker 1: lobbying on behalf of a foreign country. Now Flynn was 1473 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,559 Speaker 1: part of a consulting firm, or had a consulting firm 1474 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: that did a reported five hundred and thirty thousand dollars 1475 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,800 Speaker 1: worth of lobbying before the election that was favorable. It's 1476 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,360 Speaker 1: being reported as favorable to the Turkish government, to the 1477 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:16,800 Speaker 1: Republic of Turkey. Um And now after that Flynn has 1478 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: a filing with the Justice Department to register him as 1479 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:26,280 Speaker 1: a foreign agent. Now, under the Foreign Agent Registration Act 1480 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,559 Speaker 1: u S, citizens have to tell the Justice Department if 1481 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,320 Speaker 1: they are working as a as on behalf of a 1482 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:37,280 Speaker 1: foreign government in this country. And yes, if you don't register, 1483 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:43,000 Speaker 1: willful decisions not to register are considered to be a felony. 1484 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,960 Speaker 1: So it is technically a felony charge, kind of like 1485 01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 1: the Logan Act, which is also a felony charge. But 1486 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,760 Speaker 1: this is like the Logan Act in that it is 1487 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:57,120 Speaker 1: almost never used. It would maybe only be used if 1488 01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the Justice partan wanted to get you for some other reason. 1489 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,920 Speaker 1: They could only get you on this. But it is 1490 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:08,040 Speaker 1: not something that is oftentimes prosecuted, and it is acceptable practice. 1491 01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,240 Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why I be 1492 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,160 Speaker 1: hard to prosecute because when there's a long standing practice 1493 01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,160 Speaker 1: and the government accepts it, then it's tough for the 1494 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:15,920 Speaker 1: government to say, well, this time we're not going to 1495 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,640 Speaker 1: we're going to prosecute you. Right, So there's a long 1496 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,639 Speaker 1: standing accept the practice of disclosing it after the fact 1497 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 1: and you sort of get right with the Justice Department. 1498 01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,880 Speaker 1: So and the Turkish businessman who hired. Flynn told the 1499 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Associated Press that the filings were from Justice Department. The 1500 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:42,280 Speaker 1: filings came in response to Justice Department pressure, and he says, 1501 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,120 Speaker 1: he um, and so this is now we're going to 1502 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,920 Speaker 1: get into, Well, did he file because he thought it 1503 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,720 Speaker 1: was really what was mandated under law? Or did he 1504 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,800 Speaker 1: file because the d o J was saying you better 1505 01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,639 Speaker 1: do this, you better do this. You know you're already 1506 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:57,840 Speaker 1: on thin ice because the whole Logan Act things, so 1507 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,439 Speaker 1: you might as well do this, And he felt like, okay, Well, 1508 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,120 Speaker 1: if I take the affirmative step of filing, then I 1509 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,400 Speaker 1: won't have to um have this hanging over my head 1510 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,800 Speaker 1: and the DJ will leave me alone. Well, I can 1511 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:14,280 Speaker 1: understand why would think that. But of course, as one 1512 01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,479 Speaker 1: of the data points that is trotted out by the 1513 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:23,040 Speaker 1: Trump conspiracy folks, the Trump Russia conspiracy folks, is that 1514 01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,920 Speaker 1: Flynn lied about this phone call to the Russian ambassador 1515 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,600 Speaker 1: and now he's going to have to register after the 1516 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,400 Speaker 1: fact as a foreign agent. This will be seized upon 1517 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,800 Speaker 1: and they will make much more of this than the 1518 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,280 Speaker 1: facts warrant. But that's what is going to happen, at 1519 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: least that's how I see it playing out here. This 1520 01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,360 Speaker 1: is going to be viewed as, Oh, look, Flynn yet 1521 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,040 Speaker 1: again doing something shady, doing something bad. Why can't we 1522 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,800 Speaker 1: all just understand that he was part of He was 1523 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,400 Speaker 1: a centerpiece of this giant conspiracy to get Trump elected. 1524 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,840 Speaker 1: The brought in the Russians. So the Turkish lobbying the 1525 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,439 Speaker 1: thing is not as big a deal as it may 1526 01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,120 Speaker 1: seem when you read that. It really isn't h I've 1527 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,080 Speaker 1: had people even on the show in the past, and 1528 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,200 Speaker 1: I found out in one case after the fact that 1529 01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,320 Speaker 1: the guy was basically a lobbyist with the Turkish government. 1530 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,479 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that explains his positions on Turkey 1531 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,360 Speaker 1: and Armenia, for example. Um, but this isn't something that 1532 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,040 Speaker 1: would make a whole lot of difference to anybody, I 1533 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,120 Speaker 1: would think, unless, again, you you view this as yet 1534 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,519 Speaker 1: and if you are predisposed to view anything that has 1535 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,040 Speaker 1: to do with Trump's team and the people that are 1536 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:34,360 Speaker 1: in Trump's team that are that touch on the Kremlin 1537 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,160 Speaker 1: in some capacity, then you can just start to find 1538 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,160 Speaker 1: all these data points and pull them together. And that's 1539 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,680 Speaker 1: what I think will happen here. So this is being 1540 01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,840 Speaker 1: this is getting a lot more attention. I think it deserves, 1541 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,040 Speaker 1: all right, we got another one though, I got another 1542 01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,800 Speaker 1: one today. I just saw this when we came on air. 1543 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,680 Speaker 1: It just broke on CNN right before we started the 1544 01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,880 Speaker 1: show today. And that's that the this is sources, CNN 1545 01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:06,000 Speaker 1: deciting sources. FBI investigation continues into quote odd computer link 1546 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,080 Speaker 1: between Russian bank and Trump organization. Now we've heard about 1547 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,640 Speaker 1: this before. This isn't new. We have been told that 1548 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,680 Speaker 1: there are some Russian bank server that was pinging and 1549 01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,559 Speaker 1: trying to contact a server that has Trump Trump name 1550 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,400 Speaker 1: attached to it. But the server, it sounds like now 1551 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,200 Speaker 1: where the computer is in Pennsylvania. Let me give you 1552 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,320 Speaker 1: some of the some of the details here. Uh well, 1553 01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, actually if I get too into the details 1554 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,759 Speaker 1: and it's just gonna it's a lot of complexity without 1555 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:42,519 Speaker 1: a lot of so what to it? So they here's what, 1556 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,560 Speaker 1: here's what what this is what CNN writes. For what 1557 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,120 Speaker 1: is known, A small group of computer scientists obtained Internet 1558 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,000 Speaker 1: traffic records from the complex system that serves as the 1559 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,400 Speaker 1: Internet's phone book. Access to these records is reserved for 1560 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,080 Speaker 1: highly trusted sobersecurity firms and companies that provide this look 1561 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,040 Speaker 1: up service. So somebody who had access to this, it 1562 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,320 Speaker 1: seems leaked it again. These signals were captured as they 1563 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,280 Speaker 1: travel on the Internet's domain name system. They show that 1564 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,240 Speaker 1: Alpha Bank in Russia repeatedly looked up the unique Internet 1565 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,160 Speaker 1: address of a particular Trump organization computer server in the 1566 01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:17,120 Speaker 1: United States. So publicly available Internet records show the address 1567 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,679 Speaker 1: was registered to the Trump organization points to an IP 1568 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,240 Speaker 1: address that lives on an otherwise dull machine operated by 1569 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:30,080 Speaker 1: a company in the tiny world town of littits Uh, Pennsylvania, UM. 1570 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:36,280 Speaker 1: From May fourth until September Uh, the Russian bank looked 1571 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,960 Speaker 1: up the address to this Trump corporate server two thousand, dred, 1572 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:43,599 Speaker 1: twenty times more lookups than the Trump server received from 1573 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,040 Speaker 1: any other source. All right, well, they can't tell you 1574 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,840 Speaker 1: anything about They can't give you any definitive anything about this. 1575 01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 1: They can't say that this is shady or not. They've 1576 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,639 Speaker 1: got nothing other than this is a thing that happened 1577 01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,320 Speaker 1: with this Russian bank, and the computer experts that that 1578 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,479 Speaker 1: they've talked to are saying, well, it could be this, 1579 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,000 Speaker 1: It could be that, it could be we don't know. 1580 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:11,320 Speaker 1: We've heard this though in the past, and I would 1581 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,720 Speaker 1: think that if there were something here, those who have 1582 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,400 Speaker 1: subpoena power and the ability to yes wire tap and 1583 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,720 Speaker 1: yes collect electronic communications and engaged in electronic eavesdropping, like 1584 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:29,799 Speaker 1: the FBI would know about this. So we're being told, 1585 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,200 Speaker 1: um here here abother. This is an important part of 1586 01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,800 Speaker 1: this piece too, that CNN has been told that there's 1587 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,679 Speaker 1: no Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Surveillance Act warrant in the service. 1588 01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,960 Speaker 1: So that CNN has been told by their sources in 1589 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,120 Speaker 1: law enforcement, very curious to know who this is. But 1590 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,640 Speaker 1: of course we won't be told that that there's no 1591 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,040 Speaker 1: FISA warrant for this server. The FBI has declined to comment, 1592 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:57,120 Speaker 1: the White House has declined to comment, but the federal 1593 01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,760 Speaker 1: investigators and computer scientists continue to examine. CNN is saying here, 1594 01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,759 Speaker 1: there's still an investigation into this server or this computer 1595 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,360 Speaker 1: in Russia at a Russian bank, Alpha Bank, that was 1596 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:15,320 Speaker 1: contacting a computer that is allegedly attached the Trump organization. 1597 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,360 Speaker 1: They don't know why, they don't know if it's a 1598 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: problem or not. They know nothing other than there's a 1599 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,320 Speaker 1: contact between a computer and Russian and a computer in 1600 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,040 Speaker 1: the US that had something to do with the Trump organization. 1601 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,920 Speaker 1: That's all that they know. I would like to know 1602 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,920 Speaker 1: what they think they're going to find out here? What 1603 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:39,439 Speaker 1: exactly is going to be the aha moment that this 1604 01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:44,160 Speaker 1: server was having all this contact with the US based server, 1605 01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,519 Speaker 1: because this is where the this is where the Grand 1606 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy plans were being relayed to a computer in Pennsylvania, 1607 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,200 Speaker 1: really and and so in order to do that, it 1608 01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,840 Speaker 1: was using the equivalent of looking up a phone number 1609 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,479 Speaker 1: for a place. It did that. I'm trying to see 1610 01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,599 Speaker 1: how many times did it do it? Thousands of times? 1611 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,479 Speaker 1: From May fourth until September twenty three, the Russian bank 1612 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,840 Speaker 1: looked up the address to this Trump corporate server more 1613 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,400 Speaker 1: than two thousand, eight hundred and twenty times. It was 1614 01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,639 Speaker 1: more lookups than the Trump server seed from any other source. So, okay, 1615 01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,200 Speaker 1: so this server has this bank looking I mean, I 1616 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,400 Speaker 1: know already probably like this is not the most exciting 1617 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,160 Speaker 1: story River told us, and I get that, but this 1618 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,840 Speaker 1: is being this is what they're hanging the well, there's 1619 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,920 Speaker 1: still an FBI investigation into Trump Russia ties. This is 1620 01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,160 Speaker 1: what they're hanging that on. This is the main effort 1621 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:39,040 Speaker 1: in that now and once once again you've got Flynn 1622 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,799 Speaker 1: registering as a foreign agent. But I had to with Turkey, 1623 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,760 Speaker 1: not Russia. But still they're saying, is registering as a 1624 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,160 Speaker 1: foreign agent. Look at that he didn't tell us about 1625 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:47,840 Speaker 1: that in the past. Well, that's a lot of people 1626 01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,200 Speaker 1: do that and then afterwards they register if they feel 1627 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:54,040 Speaker 1: like there's some reason to do so, and they're gonna forget. 1628 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,439 Speaker 1: Just like with the Logan Act, we were told, oh, 1629 01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,160 Speaker 1: it may be a felony. Well it's never been prosecuted. Oh, 1630 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,519 Speaker 1: but it may be a felony. Different sets of rules 1631 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,360 Speaker 1: depending on how you view this politically. Um, but Russia 1632 01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,000 Speaker 1: stories that don't They don't have to move the football 1633 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,000 Speaker 1: down the field on this Russia stuff that they just 1634 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,840 Speaker 1: have to keep playing that, they just have to keep 1635 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,720 Speaker 1: the ball in their hands. They just have to keep 1636 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,400 Speaker 1: playing the game and see where it all runs out. 1637 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,799 Speaker 1: I will be very curious to know what the avenge 1638 01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,200 Speaker 1: I think this will just turn into. No matter what 1639 01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,280 Speaker 1: the actual evidence turns up or what evidence they're able 1640 01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:30,560 Speaker 1: to find, they're never gonna say, oh, yeah, we've exhausted 1641 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,840 Speaker 1: all avenues and Trump's clean. It's fine. They're just gonna say, well, 1642 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,280 Speaker 1: we didn't find it, but it's still there. It needs 1643 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,160 Speaker 1: it needs more investigation. It's never gonna not need more investigations. 1644 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,920 Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, those who believe that this is, uh, 1645 01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,800 Speaker 1: the most incredible political conspiracy in this country. I mean, 1646 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,080 Speaker 1: I think it would if Trump was colluding with the Kremlin. 1647 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,400 Speaker 1: It blows water. Get out of the water. There's a whole, 1648 01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,960 Speaker 1: it's a whole, next level stuff, the most amazing political 1649 01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy of of not just my lifetime, but a couple 1650 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,240 Speaker 1: of lifetimes before. I would think in this country. Um, 1651 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,400 Speaker 1: but people are never gonna give it up. Who believe it. 1652 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm pretty convinced no matter what I'm saying, investigate, go 1653 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,439 Speaker 1: for it, Find whatever you can find. The Trump team 1654 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,320 Speaker 1: that is not exactly known for discipline in any sense, 1655 01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:22,840 Speaker 1: message discipline, communications discipline. They were so savvy with their 1656 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,280 Speaker 1: Russia contacts that they did this in such a way 1657 01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,160 Speaker 1: that nobody was able to figure it out. Nobody is 1658 01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:34,360 Speaker 1: able to find out, uh, what happened here. Even the FBI, 1659 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,400 Speaker 1: assuming that the CNN sources are correct, the FBI looking 1660 01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,760 Speaker 1: into this is not enough to track down what really happened. Oh, 1661 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,200 Speaker 1: FBI s when when the FBI has been told you 1662 01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,800 Speaker 1: did something wrong and it's it's you know, they've got 1663 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,040 Speaker 1: an electronic trail to look at and you have done 1664 01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,160 Speaker 1: something wrong, they tend to get you. The FBI doesn't 1665 01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,840 Speaker 1: tended that. They have a lot of ways to look 1666 01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,040 Speaker 1: into this and figure out what's going on. If if 1667 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,519 Speaker 1: they if the I have sore wrong turns on you 1668 01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,519 Speaker 1: from the FBI and you've done something, it's gonna be bad. 1669 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,680 Speaker 1: Usually it's not good. It doesn't work. You know. It's 1670 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,360 Speaker 1: one of the other reasons why the federal prosecution right 1671 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,599 Speaker 1: in this country successful prosecution rate I think is it's 1672 01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:19,040 Speaker 1: over nine percent. Maybe I was get confused between how 1673 01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,519 Speaker 1: many end in plea bargains. I think it's percent. Maybe 1674 01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the end of plea bargains instead of trial and over 1675 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,120 Speaker 1: guilty verdicts I think for federal court. So yeah, there's that. 1676 01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,600 Speaker 1: But oh no, Trump is four D chess man. He 1677 01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,439 Speaker 1: was able to do all this stuff with Putin and 1678 01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,639 Speaker 1: nobody would even find out. I don't think so everybody. 1679 01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,720 Speaker 1: But we shall see hit a break, We'll be right back. 1680 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,760 Speaker 1: So what was it just a few weeks ago that 1681 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:52,360 Speaker 1: we saw the correlation or the connections being made in 1682 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:57,080 Speaker 1: the media between the rise in anti Semitism in this 1683 01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:00,200 Speaker 1: country and Donald Trump. In fact, I remember see being 1684 01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:07,679 Speaker 1: on TV a few very uh heated exchanges between people 1685 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:14,519 Speaker 1: where one person was claiming that, oh, yes, indeed, Trump 1686 01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,519 Speaker 1: and anti Semitism from Trump is why all these threats 1687 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,720 Speaker 1: are happening at these Jewish community centers, and a few 1688 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,840 Speaker 1: other people saying or other individuals who would meet this with, 1689 01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,040 Speaker 1: what evidence do you have for that? And the answer, 1690 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,960 Speaker 1: of course was nothing but just anything that can be 1691 01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:33,960 Speaker 1: used to anything that can be used to undermine or 1692 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,400 Speaker 1: to even better, to slander the Trump administration they want 1693 01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,600 Speaker 1: to do. So here's what we know about this, and 1694 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:44,200 Speaker 1: it's it comes from my former my former bosses over 1695 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:48,160 Speaker 1: at the NYPD Intelligence Division where I worked for a time. 1696 01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,840 Speaker 1: And here's what they Here's what they say about these 1697 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:58,200 Speaker 1: threats against Jewish community centers. It is most likely one man, 1698 01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,040 Speaker 1: according to the head of the n y P, the 1699 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:05,040 Speaker 1: Intelligence Division, one man using a voice changer and phone 1700 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,280 Speaker 1: spoofing device, who is behind at least a large number 1701 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,080 Speaker 1: of the scores of threats made against US Jewish institutions 1702 01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:16,639 Speaker 1: this year. This was offset on on CBS this morning, 1703 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,439 Speaker 1: um and he said that the way this is interesting, 1704 01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,679 Speaker 1: he said, the way that this happens, or they believe 1705 01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,800 Speaker 1: this is happening, is that this spoofing device makes it 1706 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,720 Speaker 1: appear the call is not coming from the number of 1707 01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,240 Speaker 1: the man is using and makes it appear it's coming 1708 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,240 Speaker 1: from within the institution. So he's the head of the 1709 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,360 Speaker 1: Intelligence Division. John Miller said, we have an offender with 1710 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,479 Speaker 1: some technical prowess here. So the A. D. L Anti 1711 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,720 Speaker 1: Defamation League has been saying there are a hundred and 1712 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,440 Speaker 1: forty eight threats targeting Jewish institutions across the country since January, 1713 01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,920 Speaker 1: and now we'll find scores. I mean, so a lot 1714 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,679 Speaker 1: of these threats as of now it is believed come 1715 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,479 Speaker 1: from one person. So now national news stories and and 1716 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,360 Speaker 1: members of the press running with those news stories to 1717 01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,000 Speaker 1: suggest that the President of the United States is so 1718 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,519 Speaker 1: vile and so terrible that there are threats bomb threats 1719 01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,840 Speaker 1: against Jewish community centers and schools, and it must be 1720 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,080 Speaker 1: because of Trump. They're saying, right, it must because of Trump, 1721 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,120 Speaker 1: And now we find out it's it's well, this is 1722 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,040 Speaker 1: the second individual, the first individual that was tied to 1723 01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,760 Speaker 1: any of these threats. We're talking a couple of member 1724 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,840 Speaker 1: a couple of people here so far. The uh the 1725 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:38,639 Speaker 1: first one was a Bernie Sanders supporting socialist who hates 1726 01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,960 Speaker 1: Trump and used to write for the far left wing 1727 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:48,240 Speaker 1: anti US, anti government Intercept website. Uh, he was African 1728 01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,600 Speaker 1: American and left wing. And this is what we know 1729 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,320 Speaker 1: about this guy. And for a while everybody thought, oh, well, 1730 01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,439 Speaker 1: it's the guy making these threats. He must just be 1731 01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,479 Speaker 1: sitting at home, you know, wearing a a I don't know, 1732 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,720 Speaker 1: a Confederate flag tank top with a make America Great 1733 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,680 Speaker 1: Again hat on or something. I mean, that's the way 1734 01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:12,800 Speaker 1: the press views this stuff, right, They caricature it and 1735 01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,439 Speaker 1: they make assumptions, and when it doesn't fit, when it 1736 01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:18,320 Speaker 1: doesn't happen the way they think it's gonna happen, they 1737 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,640 Speaker 1: never stop and think, maybe we should re visit those assumptions. No, 1738 01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,280 Speaker 1: it's just well, next time we'll be right and then 1739 01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,240 Speaker 1: and they're so rarely right, that's what's amazing. And every 1740 01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,880 Speaker 1: time a bomb goes off somewhere, who who tends to 1741 01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,360 Speaker 1: me won't write the people on the right who when 1742 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,280 Speaker 1: a bomb goes off in this country, their first thought 1743 01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:39,280 Speaker 1: is probably, you know, isis inspired or probably some jeehatas 1744 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,679 Speaker 1: or the left where you've got even very prominent people 1745 01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,280 Speaker 1: like former New York City mayor Mayor Bloomberg who thinks, well, 1746 01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:46,640 Speaker 1: the bomb went off in Times Square, it must be 1747 01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,160 Speaker 1: one of those angry right wing people who are angry 1748 01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,560 Speaker 1: about healthcare. The people on the first part of that 1749 01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,040 Speaker 1: tend to be right, more off from the people in 1750 01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,920 Speaker 1: the second part. But back to this story about the 1751 01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,479 Speaker 1: threats against Jewish centers. This is not going to get 1752 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,760 Speaker 1: nearly as much attention, of course, but you see that 1753 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,800 Speaker 1: the damage is already done. First of all, the damage 1754 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,439 Speaker 1: is done for these centers that have to evacuate, and 1755 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,519 Speaker 1: I have this fear, and there is the more even 1756 01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,439 Speaker 1: one individual is able to spread a lot of anti 1757 01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:18,360 Speaker 1: Semitic attacks out there. In a sense, it you know, 1758 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,200 Speaker 1: makes it makes it harder to devote the resources who 1759 01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,360 Speaker 1: to deal with the sudden track it down because he 1760 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:27,280 Speaker 1: got one guy is making these calls all over the place. Um, 1761 01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,880 Speaker 1: but they never stop and think, well, hold on, we 1762 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,240 Speaker 1: were running with the story for a while that Donald 1763 01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,320 Speaker 1: Trump was causing this environment. Maybe we shouldn't have done 1764 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,160 Speaker 1: that because they're actually the press is happy they were 1765 01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,160 Speaker 1: able to get away with making that connection based on 1766 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:46,360 Speaker 1: zero evidence for weeks and and for a lot of 1767 01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,360 Speaker 1: folks out there, the perception will be Trump is an 1768 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,960 Speaker 1: anti Semit. So it doesn't matter whether this was true 1769 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,120 Speaker 1: or not. I guess it doesn't really matter because media 1770 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,200 Speaker 1: keeps telling us he's an anti Semit, and the evidence 1771 01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,519 Speaker 1: for that is what exactly And if this point the 1772 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,080 Speaker 1: evidence keeps getting smaller and smaller all the time, it's 1773 01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,680 Speaker 1: not there. The things that matter most in your day 1774 01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,160 Speaker 1: to day life are too important to trust to just anyone. 1775 01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,240 Speaker 1: That's that's why, that's why he's here. Buck Sexton with 1776 01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:20,719 Speaker 1: America Now, sharp mind, strong voice, Block Sexton eight four 1777 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,120 Speaker 1: to eight to five. You want to call in freedom 1778 01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,120 Speaker 1: hut is uh is a rock and my friends, so 1779 01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,720 Speaker 1: give me a ring. Roger in Delaware, w I l M. 1780 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:36,559 Speaker 1: What's up? Roger? Hi Bluck. Uh I got some schooling 1781 01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:40,080 Speaker 1: last night by a name you don't probably know and 1782 01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:44,639 Speaker 1: maybe even know the person her Meyer don't know. Don't 1783 01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,080 Speaker 1: know this person? No, sorry, oh okay. He was an 1784 01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:53,720 Speaker 1: advisor back in the Reagan administration. And Uh I read 1785 01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:56,240 Speaker 1: a speech last night that he gave in mid February 1786 01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:02,559 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, Arizona, and it was really uh enlightening, Uh, 1787 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,439 Speaker 1: how the intelligence works. The title of the speech was 1788 01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:11,560 Speaker 1: how intelligent works and parentheses when it does. It was 1789 01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:17,400 Speaker 1: very enlightening. Then huh if if you don't know him, 1790 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,000 Speaker 1: or you might like, why don't you, why don't you 1791 01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,240 Speaker 1: enlighten us? Tell us? Tell us some of the things 1792 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:31,280 Speaker 1: that you learned. Well, the Central Intelligence Agency up until 1793 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,880 Speaker 1: time of Reagan, uh was and and particularly with regard 1794 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,880 Speaker 1: to the Russian arm of the intelligence operation, they were 1795 01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,600 Speaker 1: focused on their strength and the weaponry and soil and 1796 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:49,040 Speaker 1: so forth, and the and the soldiers they had and 1797 01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,280 Speaker 1: that sort of this stuff. And then uh uh the 1798 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:59,000 Speaker 1: casey the c I uh director uh Uh, somebody sent 1799 01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:04,120 Speaker 1: question to them that asked where are their weaknesses? And 1800 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,400 Speaker 1: they replied back that they had they didn't know that 1801 01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,880 Speaker 1: because they've never been asked that question before. But that 1802 01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:16,679 Speaker 1: led to them investigating what Russians h Russian's weaknesses were 1803 01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:22,320 Speaker 1: and uh and uh Reagan using that he was able 1804 01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:27,960 Speaker 1: to bring down the wall and the actually Soviet Union 1805 01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,679 Speaker 1: uh two years apart. And I knew both of those 1806 01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,639 Speaker 1: things happened, but I wasn't aware that the time frame 1807 01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,880 Speaker 1: which as a little as the two years apart. All right, Well, Roger, 1808 01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,640 Speaker 1: thank you for calling in and sharing them with us. 1809 01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,000 Speaker 1: So I haven't spoken very much about the I know, 1810 01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:48,519 Speaker 1: and people have been asking me, well, you know you 1811 01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,160 Speaker 1: were in the CIA. Don't you have a lot to 1812 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:55,000 Speaker 1: say on the on the alleged hacking tools released by 1813 01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:58,800 Speaker 1: Wiki Leaks. I'm like, no, I have some things to say. 1814 01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,120 Speaker 1: I definitely have a lot of things to say. Uh. 1815 01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,160 Speaker 1: First of all, as I've already told you, I don't. 1816 01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,920 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the cyber cyber intelligence unit 1817 01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,560 Speaker 1: that's mentioned there, and I I really don't. And I 1818 01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,200 Speaker 1: know I as to say, even if I did, I'd 1819 01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,320 Speaker 1: say I didn't, but I really don't in this case, um, 1820 01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,160 Speaker 1: because I'd say I didn't, but I don't. I don't 1821 01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,639 Speaker 1: actually have any knowledge about it, and I don't understand. 1822 01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't really understand what the look, the the outrage 1823 01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,720 Speaker 1: should be about. The the idea that anybody thinks it's 1824 01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,679 Speaker 1: a good anybody thinks that it is sensible and helpful 1825 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:35,840 Speaker 1: and wise for this organization that clearly has ties to Yeah, 1826 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,880 Speaker 1: it has ties to Russian intelligence. I've been saying this 1827 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,200 Speaker 1: for a long time. These are well established and well 1828 01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:47,400 Speaker 1: known that this organization, with wiki leaks releasing this releasing 1829 01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,960 Speaker 1: what would be if they were real and I'm saying 1830 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,640 Speaker 1: that The New York Times is going through them, of 1831 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,120 Speaker 1: course and saying that there's there's been some certainly some 1832 01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,960 Speaker 1: misleading statements about the capability that are described, as well 1833 01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,840 Speaker 1: as the specific programs that are mentioned. This is the 1834 01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,560 Speaker 1: New York Times reporting on that. Now I don't I 1835 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,280 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm one of the reasons I've been waiting 1836 01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,519 Speaker 1: on this is also I want to see what's true 1837 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,320 Speaker 1: and what's not. And that's I leave that too. In 1838 01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,960 Speaker 1: terms of the specifics and the technicalities of it, I 1839 01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,120 Speaker 1: leave that to others. I don't know. The government is 1840 01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,840 Speaker 1: clearly not going to uh at this point authenticate, They're 1841 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,519 Speaker 1: not going to confirm or deny any of it. Um. 1842 01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:29,880 Speaker 1: But WikiLeaks, let's let's say wiki leaks had the most 1843 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,160 Speaker 1: sensitive information. Let's just say theoretically they had the most 1844 01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:39,880 Speaker 1: sensitive information imaginable on US surveillance and monitoring capabilities. Let's 1845 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,040 Speaker 1: just say, I don't mean in this case, just in general, 1846 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,120 Speaker 1: and they then released that. They were then released that 1847 01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:49,200 Speaker 1: publicly under the guise of well they could they could 1848 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:52,439 Speaker 1: be using this against you, Well, yeah, I mean they 1849 01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:54,800 Speaker 1: also could be tapping your phone. I mean they also 1850 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:58,040 Speaker 1: could be reading your email traffic. I mean, this is 1851 01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,400 Speaker 1: all that's all known, right or are we really are 1852 01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:04,360 Speaker 1: we really that surprised that we do live in a 1853 01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:09,519 Speaker 1: turnkey totalitarian surveillance state. This is the laws that we 1854 01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,000 Speaker 1: have in place, and the consensus of the American people 1855 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,960 Speaker 1: about their civil liberties is all that stops them. If 1856 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,479 Speaker 1: we're living in a different kind of country with a 1857 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:23,080 Speaker 1: different population, all the tools are there to monitor you seven, 1858 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,559 Speaker 1: to monitor all of your conversations, everywhere you go, every 1859 01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,040 Speaker 1: way you communicate with people, that all exist. We all 1860 01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,000 Speaker 1: we know that, right, So I mean just based on 1861 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,120 Speaker 1: your phone calls, your emails. I mean the FBI, going 1862 01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,040 Speaker 1: back to that, is doing an investigation on you, all 1863 01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,960 Speaker 1: the stuff you're doing online. All that they can get 1864 01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,840 Speaker 1: to that now, I mean as you listen to call 1865 01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,200 Speaker 1: me said, well, we can't get in every phone in 1866 01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,000 Speaker 1: every case. Okay, maybe there are some technologies that give 1867 01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,760 Speaker 1: them trouble, or maybe there's some encryption that they have 1868 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,479 Speaker 1: an issue with her. But as a general proposition, yeah, 1869 01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,439 Speaker 1: they can monitor all the stuff that you're doing. It's 1870 01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:00,280 Speaker 1: really easy. I mean they can make up your house, 1871 01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:03,599 Speaker 1: they can take your they can listen in to your phone, calls, 1872 01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:05,720 Speaker 1: they can read your emails. They you know they not. 1873 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,320 Speaker 1: I don't mean to just be picking on the FBI, 1874 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,760 Speaker 1: but all this technology exists, of course it does. Um 1875 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:16,160 Speaker 1: and the technology that is specifically discussed in these wiki leaks, 1876 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,240 Speaker 1: in these wiki leaks files, I don't know if that 1877 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,360 Speaker 1: exists or not. But the notion of privacy in the 1878 01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,880 Speaker 1: digital world that we live in now is we need 1879 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:30,200 Speaker 1: to start to think about the protections you have come from, uh, 1880 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,160 Speaker 1: the laws that are in place and disclosure and a 1881 01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,240 Speaker 1: transparent government. And I know there's a there is a 1882 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:38,800 Speaker 1: big tension there too, because you know, you see how 1883 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,439 Speaker 1: law enforcement sometimes let's just go to law enforce in 1884 01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:45,320 Speaker 1: side of this. They get very clever with what they're 1885 01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,200 Speaker 1: willing to do when use and you even had a 1886 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court case I believe it was Kilo was the 1887 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,800 Speaker 1: name of the case, k y l O. And it 1888 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:58,440 Speaker 1: was about how law enforcement was tracking down grow operations 1889 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,479 Speaker 1: by looking at the heat signature coming out of houses. 1890 01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,439 Speaker 1: So without a warrant, they would just drive around and say, 1891 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,840 Speaker 1: drive around with equipment to monitor the heat coming out 1892 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,519 Speaker 1: of your home and decide that, oh, well, look at 1893 01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,920 Speaker 1: all that heat in that weird barn that looks like 1894 01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,640 Speaker 1: it might be used to grow marijuana. Let's let's now 1895 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,120 Speaker 1: get a warrant for that, and let's go see um 1896 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:22,760 Speaker 1: And you know that that went all the way up 1897 01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,560 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. You see monitoring devices now that 1898 01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,360 Speaker 1: can be placed on cars, Whether there needs to be 1899 01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,160 Speaker 1: a warrant for that or not. These are issues that 1900 01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,400 Speaker 1: are are still constantly being litigated and we're making decisions 1901 01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:35,960 Speaker 1: on this. I've I've told people before and this is 1902 01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:37,840 Speaker 1: the fact that this is not more widely known I 1903 01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:42,160 Speaker 1: think is a little jarring and should be a should 1904 01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:43,400 Speaker 1: be a wake up call for a lot of us. 1905 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,240 Speaker 1: That for law enforcement, I'm not sure if they've even 1906 01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,240 Speaker 1: changed the law. It was the case that they only 1907 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:53,240 Speaker 1: needed reasonable suspicion, not probable cause to get a log 1908 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,240 Speaker 1: of your email traffic that was older than ninety days old, 1909 01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:57,880 Speaker 1: I think was the what was what the law said? 1910 01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,800 Speaker 1: So email it was three months plus had less legal 1911 01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,320 Speaker 1: protection under the law for a long time and I 1912 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,840 Speaker 1: don't know if it's even still the case or not. Um. 1913 01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:10,680 Speaker 1: Then email that was recent, well, why is you know, 1914 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,559 Speaker 1: you know, is the email that you sent to your 1915 01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,960 Speaker 1: doctor about whatever you've got going on? Whatever, uh, you 1916 01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,120 Speaker 1: know six months ago that no longer deserves privacy protections 1917 01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,880 Speaker 1: from law enforcement, or that you wrote to your you know, 1918 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,760 Speaker 1: a strange spouse or whatever because it's older than older 1919 01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:27,600 Speaker 1: than ninety days. It's fine, but less than that you 1920 01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:31,600 Speaker 1: need probably probably cause a higher standard, probably causes that 1921 01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:36,920 Speaker 1: there's already evidence pointing to the likelihood of the of 1922 01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:40,560 Speaker 1: of committing a crime. Reasonable suspicion is you know, we 1923 01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,760 Speaker 1: got it, is what it sounds like. I think I 1924 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,200 Speaker 1: think there might be something going on here. You just 1925 01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:46,960 Speaker 1: need to be able to justify it. But it's a 1926 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:51,840 Speaker 1: lower standard, lower standard of proof to be sure. Um, 1927 01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,000 Speaker 1: but this is this is already the case in this country, 1928 01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,400 Speaker 1: but that you would have this moment of of of 1929 01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,600 Speaker 1: fear with so many people that and I think this 1930 01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,600 Speaker 1: is what Comey when he gave his speech yesterday and 1931 01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,600 Speaker 1: others are trying to address, which is whether there are 1932 01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,320 Speaker 1: new technologies out there or not that can leverage what 1933 01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:12,040 Speaker 1: you have. And you know, very few, very few people 1934 01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:16,160 Speaker 1: that I know try to use special ENCRYPTID a special 1935 01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,360 Speaker 1: encrypted chat app to talk to their friends. I don't 1936 01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,160 Speaker 1: very this is Journalists get very concerned about this because 1937 01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,479 Speaker 1: of their sources. But as we know from the AP 1938 01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,920 Speaker 1: phone to the AP phone logs being seized and James 1939 01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:28,760 Speaker 1: Rosen at Fox and all the stuff that the Eric 1940 01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,240 Speaker 1: Holder Department of Justice did there, there's already surveillance going 1941 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,040 Speaker 1: on of journalists and uh and there are ways that 1942 01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:39,599 Speaker 1: the government is trying to, you know, investigate their sources. 1943 01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:42,600 Speaker 1: So you know this that is nothing. That is not 1944 01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,160 Speaker 1: a new idea, is not a new concept, and it 1945 01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:48,360 Speaker 1: is all reliant on having some faith and trust in 1946 01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,080 Speaker 1: the government and the laws that are in place to 1947 01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,120 Speaker 1: protect us in our privacy and vigilance. There needs to 1948 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,040 Speaker 1: be real vigilance. And I do think that we have 1949 01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:58,320 Speaker 1: become as a people. I think that Americans have become 1950 01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:01,760 Speaker 1: so enamored with the convenience that we have from all 1951 01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:03,920 Speaker 1: these devices that we do forget as I as I 1952 01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,960 Speaker 1: constantly remind everybody to listen, you're carrying around and freely 1953 01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:12,920 Speaker 1: entering of your own accord. The most sophisticated and all 1954 01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:18,800 Speaker 1: encompassing surveillance device in the history of mankind and authoritarian 1955 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,800 Speaker 1: police states thirty years ago would never have dreamed of this. 1956 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:28,320 Speaker 1: It gives locational data, it gives communications, it gives what 1957 01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,720 Speaker 1: you're you know what typing what you're looking for, it's 1958 01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,800 Speaker 1: basically what you're thinking about, I mean, just everything. Uh 1959 01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:37,639 Speaker 1: so it's pretty pretty crazy when you put it into 1960 01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,240 Speaker 1: that in that context. So I'll have more for you 1961 01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:44,160 Speaker 1: on this WikiLeaks leak as there's more verification or not 1962 01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:48,720 Speaker 1: of it, as we see more of the government's willingness 1963 01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,040 Speaker 1: to discuss some of this openly or not. I just 1964 01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,479 Speaker 1: I want to see where it goes. But one more 1965 01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:54,840 Speaker 1: thing on this and then I'll hit a break and 1966 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:58,080 Speaker 1: then I We've got some calls up. You can't don't don't. 1967 01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,920 Speaker 1: Don't trust wikiliks please, um, do not trust them. That 1968 01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,920 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that everything to say is wrong or false, 1969 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,360 Speaker 1: but do not trust them. Their motivations are not to 1970 01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:10,160 Speaker 1: be trusted, and that you would have a situation now 1971 01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:12,719 Speaker 1: where WikiLeaks is saying, well, we'll work with tech companies 1972 01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:18,280 Speaker 1: to address these quote hacking tools that are out there. Ah. 1973 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,240 Speaker 1: Remember this is an organization that thinks that it has 1974 01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:25,000 Speaker 1: a right to get access to sensitive and protected data 1975 01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,360 Speaker 1: that shows no criminality, but and we'll just share it. 1976 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,960 Speaker 1: That's that's taking a lot, a lot of authority, a 1977 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,160 Speaker 1: lot of power into this organization said and does it 1978 01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,400 Speaker 1: in a way that's clearly politically motivated, whether or not 1979 01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,479 Speaker 1: just talking about the Hillary situation, which I mean I 1980 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,679 Speaker 1: did find that pretty amusing, but I admit that there's 1981 01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:44,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a double standard a lot of 1982 01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,760 Speaker 1: supply there. Well, well they're leaking stuff about Hillary's that's 1983 01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,160 Speaker 1: not so bad. Oh that's not really the way we 1984 01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,000 Speaker 1: should view this. This is these are these are the 1985 01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:56,240 Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning you know leak associates as well, and and 1986 01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,360 Speaker 1: there have been other instances where Wiki leaks has put 1987 01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:02,120 Speaker 1: out stuff that was uh damaging to U S interests, 1988 01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:08,439 Speaker 1: and you know, Snowdon I keep coming across, especially some 1989 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,400 Speaker 1: of my libertarians, and libertarians are a smart and overall 1990 01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,519 Speaker 1: a smart and charming and fun bunch, but they want 1991 01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,720 Speaker 1: to take this position of Snowdon is some kind of 1992 01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,479 Speaker 1: you know, freedom warrior, you know, you just free information guy. 1993 01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:25,200 Speaker 1: He just wants to no, no, I'm sorry, a foreign 1994 01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:28,400 Speaker 1: collection platform that the U S and talented community may 1995 01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,000 Speaker 1: or may not be using is no business of the 1996 01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,080 Speaker 1: rest of the world. They're all this is what you 1997 01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:35,640 Speaker 1: don't find this is Wiki leagues won't say this is 1998 01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,840 Speaker 1: one you don't find out from these organizations and from 1999 01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,920 Speaker 1: these so called whistleblowers. They never tell you about what 2000 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,559 Speaker 1: the Chinese and the Russians and others are doing against us. 2001 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,439 Speaker 1: You know, China put out this official statement I saw 2002 01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:50,800 Speaker 1: this today about how, oh you know America once again, 2003 01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:55,040 Speaker 1: America must be stealing information from us. The the theft 2004 01:48:55,280 --> 01:49:01,800 Speaker 1: of sensitive, both military and commercial proprietary information that China 2005 01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:05,439 Speaker 1: has engaged in is on a scale that will never 2006 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,519 Speaker 1: be able to fully comprehend. I mean it is, I believe, 2007 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,040 Speaker 1: and maybe this is too far for someone that's fine. 2008 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:15,080 Speaker 1: I believe that they recognize that the transfer of the 2009 01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,719 Speaker 1: electronic transfer of information that has occurred between US and China, 2010 01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:22,439 Speaker 1: that the Chinese Central Committee in the Chinese government views 2011 01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:26,880 Speaker 1: this as a game changer for Chinese civilization's dominance going forward. 2012 01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,320 Speaker 1: That would be my estimation of how important to them 2013 01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,960 Speaker 1: it is to get all the stuff that they're getting 2014 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,240 Speaker 1: from all over the world. That the Chinese are thinking 2015 01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,360 Speaker 1: really long term about this, and they understand that our 2016 01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:41,800 Speaker 1: greatest advantage, Yes, of course, we have the greatest people 2017 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,640 Speaker 1: in the world, and you know, America number one on 2018 01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,519 Speaker 1: on board for all that, but our greatest advantage is 2019 01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,439 Speaker 1: in is an information and knowledge that is what separates 2020 01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:52,200 Speaker 1: us from a lot of other countries that have natural 2021 01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,320 Speaker 1: resources and large populations and all the rest of it. 2022 01:49:56,439 --> 01:50:00,200 Speaker 1: And if we lose that information advantage, what advant it is? 2023 01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:03,479 Speaker 1: Do we really have? You start to ask that question now? 2024 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:04,800 Speaker 1: I know it takes a lot of time. And then 2025 01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:06,720 Speaker 1: you've also have the benefits of a free society and 2026 01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:10,680 Speaker 1: democratic institutions and the durability of our civil all that. 2027 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,160 Speaker 1: I get that too, But we're talking about wars and 2028 01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:19,240 Speaker 1: fighting and technological advantage. It's a lot of its information based. 2029 01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,639 Speaker 1: All right, Uh, I gotta hit a break, be right back, 2030 01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,720 Speaker 1: take a call, and we'll close it out strong. Stay 2031 01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:28,960 Speaker 1: with me, and we're back. And we've got Pat in 2032 01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:33,920 Speaker 1: Massachusetts on w h Y and what's up, Pat? Hi? 2033 01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,799 Speaker 1: I have two quick questions for you before my real question. 2034 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:40,120 Speaker 1: Did you learn the correct pronunciation of lack of Wanna? 2035 01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:45,240 Speaker 1: Is it not Lackawanna? It's lack of Wanna? Is that 2036 01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:49,479 Speaker 1: what I said? Well? What of how you pronounced it? 2037 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:53,400 Speaker 1: But there's a city next to Buffalo called Lackawanna and 2038 01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:56,439 Speaker 1: its accounty in Pennsylvania. My other question is are you 2039 01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:00,160 Speaker 1: related to John Sexton, president of New York Universe. I 2040 01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,000 Speaker 1: got asked that a lot, but no relation as far 2041 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,720 Speaker 1: as I know. Okay, here's my real question. Do you 2042 01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,720 Speaker 1: know what a sexton is? More important question I do. 2043 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,599 Speaker 1: It's someone who works in a church who does something 2044 01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,360 Speaker 1: with the candles. That's right, it's the person. It's the 2045 01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:17,960 Speaker 1: caretaker of a church. He often collects, collects offerings and 2046 01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:21,639 Speaker 1: sometimes even digs, helps dig the graves. Um. And I'm 2047 01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,600 Speaker 1: not to be confused as everyone everyone. It's connecting, like 2048 01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:27,920 Speaker 1: I know what your name is. It's a device used 2049 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,799 Speaker 1: by people at sea, using the startling. That's a sex tant. Actually, 2050 01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,080 Speaker 1: but you know what a sexton is, Pat, I'm impressed 2051 01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:36,639 Speaker 1: very few people do. What was your next question? It's 2052 01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,360 Speaker 1: it's part of an emily famous Emily Dickinson poem. Also 2053 01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:45,679 Speaker 1: so um, I was unaware of that. Yes, it's about 2054 01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:48,240 Speaker 1: the one going to church. Some people sabbath by going 2055 01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,320 Speaker 1: to church, some keep it by staying at home. I 2056 01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,519 Speaker 1: don't know if it has a one has the sonnets. 2057 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if it has a title. Anyway, my 2058 01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:58,320 Speaker 1: real question is this, did you follow the campaign the 2059 01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:02,040 Speaker 1: presidential campaign of nine K nine two. I was ten 2060 01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:05,920 Speaker 1: years old? Al right, Well, I assumed that you might 2061 01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:09,120 Speaker 1: have been following it. So I'm sorry to disappoint you. 2062 01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:11,920 Speaker 1: Young young Buck was up every day with the Wall 2063 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,120 Speaker 1: Street Journal, but I did not follow it closely. I 2064 01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,200 Speaker 1: mean I've read about it, of course in retrospect, but 2065 01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:19,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't following at the time. Sure, you're very precocious. Uh. 2066 01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,759 Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush was running in the primaries against 2067 01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:29,479 Speaker 1: Patrick J. Buchanan. In that campaign, the the platform of 2068 01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:34,080 Speaker 1: Patrick J. Buchanan is essentially exactly what Donald Trump has 2069 01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,640 Speaker 1: latched ontour assumed now. I mean, he's taken on all 2070 01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,679 Speaker 1: these platform issues. Pat Buchanan was anti immigration, was anti NAFTA. 2071 01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:46,720 Speaker 1: He was called racist. Pat Buchanan was run out of 2072 01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:51,880 Speaker 1: the Republican Party in two. He wound up running as 2073 01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,519 Speaker 1: a Reform Party person a few years later. But Pat 2074 01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:59,160 Speaker 1: Buchanan ran on these issues, and he was against NAFTA 2075 01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:04,040 Speaker 1: before it was. Uh. He was one of the few 2076 01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:07,560 Speaker 1: Republicans that was fighting against snapped. He was actually the 2077 01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:11,880 Speaker 1: working with the Democrats against the Republicans trying to stop NAFTA. 2078 01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:16,680 Speaker 1: So everything that Pat Buchanan stood for in two was 2079 01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:21,479 Speaker 1: totally rejected by the Republicans in I'm wondering why you 2080 01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:26,320 Speaker 1: think they're letting you're following Donald Trump, even though he's 2081 01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,640 Speaker 1: espousing the exact same thing that got Pat Buchanan run 2082 01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:32,120 Speaker 1: out of the party. For I think we've had a 2083 01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:37,040 Speaker 1: couple of decades of a bipartisan near worship by the 2084 01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:41,920 Speaker 1: major parties of globalization and the internationalism that I started 2085 01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,640 Speaker 1: talking about at the start of the show today. I 2086 01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:46,720 Speaker 1: think that's on people are are rejecting and now that 2087 01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,240 Speaker 1: they've seen it, they were promised that would only be good. Pat, 2088 01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,120 Speaker 1: your question is excellent and I'm very sorry they are 2089 01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:52,600 Speaker 1: playing the music, which because I'm out of time on 2090 01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:54,720 Speaker 1: the show today, but maybe we can revisit some of 2091 01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,160 Speaker 1: this tomorrow. But yeah, I think it's the short answer 2092 01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:00,720 Speaker 1: to an excellent question that desserts is much more time 2093 01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:04,600 Speaker 1: is that people have seen the results of the policies, 2094 01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:08,599 Speaker 1: the opposition to anything that Buchanan was putting forward back then. 2095 01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,040 Speaker 1: That's what I gotta leave it for now. Everybody, if 2096 01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,599 Speaker 1: you're listening, please download the show on iTunes. You can 2097 01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:16,840 Speaker 1: subscribe on iTunes Buck Sexton with American Now just type 2098 01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,599 Speaker 1: it in check it out Until tomorrow night, my friends, 2099 01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:23,200 Speaker 1: have a fantastic rest of your day and evening shield 2100 01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:23,519 Speaker 1: Hie