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Speaker 1: On this episode of Mets Up, we talk about Jake

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Speaker 1: Diekman and Shintaro Fujinami signing new contracts with the Mets.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got to talk about the bullpen is

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Speaker 1: Francisco Alvarez a contract extension candidate, especially after the Bobby

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Speaker 1: Witt junior news, and me and James give our top

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Speaker 1: ten prospects for the twenty twenty four season. All that

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Speaker 2: What is up? Mets fans?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Mets the Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Of course, today we've actually got some baseball, some moves,

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Speaker 1: some things to talk about. It's so refreshing in what

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Speaker 1: has been one of the most boring offseasons I can

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Speaker 1: remember in the recent past, it's been pretty boring. But

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Speaker 1: Jake Deecman Hintaro Fujinami coming into the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: Of course me and James are gonna break it down.

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Speaker 1: He got the pitching whisper. We're gonna give you all

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Speaker 1: the little stats and information that you need to know.

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Speaker 2: On those two.

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Speaker 1: Francisco Alvarez will talk about a little bit too, maybe

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Speaker 1: a contract extension in his future, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: some prospects as well.

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Speaker 2: Our top ten lists.

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Speaker 1: And we got a crazy, absolutely insane top one hundred

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Speaker 1: prospect lists from Keith Low the athletic that I mean,

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Speaker 1: me and James haven't really talked bad about anybody in

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Speaker 2: We got to talk bad about that.

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Speaker 1: List because there's some absolutely crazy stuff on there. Remember

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Speaker 2: Instagram has been popping off.

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Speaker 2: James has been killing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm finally backing my grind as well of getting some

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Speaker 2: James is not trust and me yet, but we'll see,

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Speaker 2: we'll see. I've been sick. I've been sick.

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Speaker 1: that lengthy intro. What's going on? How we feeling?

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Speaker 2: Like the intro, I think you're ever going to give

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Speaker 2: me a chance to talk. You always ask me how

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling. I always say I'm feeling good. It's nice

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Speaker 2: that New York City has sun. I feel like for

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Speaker 2: the first time in like a month, these last three days,

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Speaker 2: I feel like that probably is what got you healthy,

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Speaker 2: three weeks, and I could just I have I can

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Speaker 2: my god, there's light. Like I don't need to put

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Speaker 2: like an external light source on for this podcast. But

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Speaker 2: some fun news, METS World last week signed two relievers

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Speaker 2: who were just hilariously high on hour lists. Jake Deacon

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Speaker 2: I don't think we talked about Jake Deeman this offseason

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Speaker 2: I was telling you guys all last season thatster one

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Speaker 2: He was like, let's go Mark.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that like I have Crones, he's done

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Speaker 1: If I'm if I'm correct, this is your poop pal,

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Speaker 1: this is my poop pal, this is my poop guy.

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Speaker 2: Stuff was electric. He's there's ninety seven from the left side,

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Speaker 2: Like you can't really, you can't really do anying about that.

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Speaker 2: There's very few pitches in baseball. He even do that.

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Speaker 2: Off the top of your head. Who's the LEFTI that

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Speaker 2: It's the run he like, he like he gets the

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Speaker 2: not even like we're not we're not picking off corners here,

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Speaker 2: Like you throw ninety seven miles an hour, Just throw

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Speaker 2: good spot for both them to be in this bullpen.

434
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And I think the thing too, you were

435
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Speaker 1: talking about the money, Like we saw David Robertson just

436
00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,880
Speaker 1: sign with the Rangers for ten eleven million dollars per year.

437
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Speaker 1: I love that the Mets are basically getting Deacon in

438
00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,120
Speaker 1: Fujinami and even Jorge Lopez. Those three guys all together

439
00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,400
Speaker 1: are gonna be about ten million dollars, like you said.

440
00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,120
Speaker 1: So the fact that the David Searns like clearly has

441
00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,960
Speaker 1: a plan of what he wants to do with this

442
00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 1: bullpen and he's executing it, it just feels really nice

443
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,280
Speaker 1: considering like there's been so many bad bullpend decisions made

444
00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,520
Speaker 1: in the past, not so much the last couple of years,

445
00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,960
Speaker 1: but just previous Mets, uh generation teams and stuff, and

446
00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,720
Speaker 1: it seems like they just they know what they're doing

447
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:45,560
Speaker 1: here and.

448
00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,760
Speaker 2: Previous metsch and also every team, every team makes these

449
00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,680
Speaker 2: bad ballpen decisions every single off seas. This isn't just

450
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,960
Speaker 2: the Mets thing. Like there's that dead zone for reliever contracts.

451
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,600
Speaker 2: It's hard to shop there. And I think another big

452
00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,320
Speaker 2: part about why the Mets decide to go like Triple Tap,

453
00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,840
Speaker 2: these three guys in med Loooks, I think they all

454
00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 2: kind of are in the same tier. Ray Lopez, Ujinamikman.

455
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,120
Speaker 2: It's like if the Mets had like a pipeline where

456
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Speaker 2: they were ready made relievers coming up and coming up

457
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,200
Speaker 2: into their system and that was okay, then I'm fine

458
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,119
Speaker 2: with paying someone who's worth it ten twelve million dollars.

459
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,040
Speaker 2: This is going to be our setup, man, Like that's

460
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,119
Speaker 2: like what Taylor Rodgers got from the Giants. That's like

461
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,200
Speaker 2: what again, Like Robert Stevens a Gary from the Angels

462
00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,520
Speaker 2: right now, the Lopus from the Braves, like those are

463
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,600
Speaker 2: guys who demonstrated their good they probably will continue to

464
00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,560
Speaker 2: be good. But the Mets bullpen was in the position

465
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,960
Speaker 2: heading into this offseason where you probably just needed three

466
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,080
Speaker 2: guys more than one, Like you just the bullpen wasn't

467
00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,119
Speaker 2: strong enough yet, it wasn't being built in a way

468
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,240
Speaker 2: yet that was sustainable that like, we can have this

469
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,200
Speaker 2: ten million dollar reliever then figure out the rest, Like

470
00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,400
Speaker 2: we still like Triple Tap, like really peppered that depth,

471
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,280
Speaker 2: like the Kyle Kriiks, the Chad Smith's, but like those

472
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,760
Speaker 2: aren't guys that Yeah, we don't want those guys. That's

473
00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,600
Speaker 2: like these are the opening they bullpen guys. We want

474
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Speaker 2: those guys to be. Like, so we don't have to

475
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Speaker 2: like search for Donnis Medina in April, Like we don't

476
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,119
Speaker 2: want to have to go like pay the rays for

477
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,520
Speaker 2: Wilmer Fonts so they can then hire more more analysts.

478
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Speaker 2: And we're just giving them money for a guy with

479
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,760
Speaker 2: no options, Like we don't want to be in a

480
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Speaker 2: situation anymore. We're on April twenty seventh, we're like shit relievers,

481
00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,959
Speaker 2: how already where we're Brillian fan Wagon's wearing the bananas.

482
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 2: Who was like we have to find the guys who's

483
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,200
Speaker 2: in trouble for this, Like we have to find out

484
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,920
Speaker 2: who did this, but it's you, you did this. So

485
00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,720
Speaker 2: now this is just a team being built in a

486
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,399
Speaker 2: smart way. And I think the big smart thing that

487
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,640
Speaker 2: happened here, too, big smart thing I have smart sense

488
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Speaker 2: was that that was good good English.

489
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Speaker 1: That was that thing.

490
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Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, here's the here's the big smart thing.

491
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Speaker 2: Shintara Fujinami, I love this guy. I think that I

492
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,880
Speaker 2: the only problem with this contract is a one year deal.

493
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Speaker 2: I wish we locked them up for a decade, Like

494
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,359
Speaker 2: maybe this will get sound by it when he has

495
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,680
Speaker 2: a nine E RA in April. But I think this

496
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,680
Speaker 2: guy can be so damn good. I really do. I do.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing with these two guys is I'm just

498
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it now to Anti sound by you.

499
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Speaker 1: These two guys are going to just like there's gonna

500
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Speaker 1: be disaster games. There's no doubt each both of them

501
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,160
Speaker 1: will have a disaster game. Jake Deacon's gonna walk four

502
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,399
Speaker 1: and hit three guys and Shintara Fujinami's gonna forget like

503
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 1: just bounce thirty five pitches in a row.

504
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Speaker 2: It's going to happen.

505
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Speaker 1: There's going to be games where these guys, you you

506
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,640
Speaker 1: want to scream, you want to put a on your TV.

507
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna do the unthinkable and mimic someone on social

508
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 1: media that you should never be mimicking. But like at

509
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, they have just like that

510
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,760
Speaker 1: top ceiling stuff that makes them so excited that gives

511
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 1: James that big, that big smart smile on his face.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And there is always gonna be more like

513
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 2: risk with these guys because they're just relievers that walk

514
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Speaker 2: ten percent of hits. Like they're just like I, I

515
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 2: like a perfect world. I like my reliever to walk

516
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,399
Speaker 2: with no percent hitters, Like I want I want you

517
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 2: to throw some strikes. I want you to throw too

518
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 2: many strikes. I still want guys to chase, but like

519
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,679
Speaker 2: this is is a place to be that gets dangerous.

520
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 2: And that's why these guys are making three and four

521
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 2: million dollars and not ten twelve million dollars. That's the

522
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,920
Speaker 2: whole point of what we're talking about here. But I

523
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 2: think Fujinami got a really bad rap last year one

524
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,399
Speaker 2: from Mets fans because we saw how awful he was

525
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year and two like he And

526
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Speaker 2: this is gonna be another thing with these two guys,

527
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Speaker 2: Like if they have their disaster outings in the first

528
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Speaker 2: few weeks of April, there's gonna be pitchforks. People are

529
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 2: gonna be hell to pay, like I'm I'm you guys

530
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: are gonna like put me up on the steak, like

531
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna put me on the steak like Piggy It

532
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: put me on the pitches. These two guys suck in April.

533
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Speaker 2: If you see seven, if you see crooked numbers on

534
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Speaker 2: the ras, like through my still, it's gonna be bad.

535
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Speaker 2: But that's kind of where Fujinami got away from himself.

536
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Speaker 2: Last year was the start to his career was as

537
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Speaker 2: bad as you could ever imagine. He came over from

538
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 2: Japan last year kind of as a project, as a

539
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: fringe star of the reliever type, like no one really

540
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 2: knew his role. Of the A's were like, you're going

541
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Speaker 2: to start because we don't have any other options, Like,

542
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 2: that's the most upside you could possibly give us, and

543
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: your stuff is so electric. But it was so bad.

544
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Speaker 2: He started his first four games of the year against

545
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Speaker 2: the Angels, the Rangers, the Mets, and the Rays. He

546
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 2: gave up twenty four earned runs in fifteen innings with

547
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Speaker 2: twelve walks and twelve strikeouts. In for his first four stars.

548
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: They were like, all right, it didn't work. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen,

549
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: Please go to the bullpen. Please go to the bullpen.

550
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: And then after that it actually did get better. While

551
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 2: he was still with the A's, the era was still ugly.

552
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 2: It was over six, but the fifth was only three

553
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 2: point eight, and he had twenty six perent s right

554
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 2: aout twelve percent walks, which is again, that's basically exactly

555
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 2: where Coda Sanga lived all of last year, but with

556
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 2: good defense and much better sequencing, much better coaches around him.

557
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna keep putting these guys together in comparisons

558
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 2: because I think there is really meaningful comparisons. There's stuff

559
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 2: I'll talk about that later on. And then he got

560
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: trade to the O's. The results were kind of the

561
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: same as when the A's moved to the bullpen, similar strikeouts.

562
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: The ERA was a significantly lower, the FIP was a

563
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: little bit higher, but he was still basically a true

564
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: talent like low four ZRA guy, which in the modern

565
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: baseball that is league average RA, which is a weird

566
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: adjustment that we all have to make his fans because

567
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: of the way the balls change, just all basive change.

568
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: The shift rules changed things, but like four to three

569
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 2: is league average ERA. That's where he lived basically at

570
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: the end of the year with the Orioles. And it's

571
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 2: funny because the Rays made so many changes with Dkman,

572
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: but they got him in May and they had a

573
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: lot of runway. When the Rays got Decman, they were like, what,

574
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: already fifteen games up in their division, and they knew

575
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Speaker 2: they were gonna have him for four whole months. When

576
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 2: the O's got Fujinami, they were hotly like right next

577
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Speaker 2: to the race. It was a crazy race going on.

578
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: So I don't think they really made that many adjustments,

579
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: but because they were just like, we don't want to

580
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: We don't want to inundate you right now with too

581
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: much stuff because we need to win every game. You

582
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: pitched more or less, but some slight changes, more spoilers

583
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: in the zone. Seems like he got more comfortable with

584
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 2: the sweeper that he was developed. Actually the last off

585
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 2: season with Code saying at drive line, we started throwing

586
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more towards the end of the year

587
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: and a little more two strike counts, and by the

588
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 2: end of the season they actually kind of had him

589
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: throwing a starter's arsenal, which I think is kind of interesting,

590
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: Like he was throwing a lot of fastballs over twenty

591
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: percent split theirs and then pretty even colors and sweepers,

592
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: so we had like a true four pitch mix even

593
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: just working in like thirty not even there like twenty

594
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: pitch increments, And I think that I don't think its

595
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: gonna do that with him, Like I think they've said

596
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: that he's gonna be relievers, gonna be used that way.

597
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised, since he actually does have

598
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: options if there are moments where they try to stretch

599
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: him out just to kind of like sop up innings

600
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: in the bullpen and just send him down because they

601
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: can and then bring it back up, not like stretch

602
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: him out as a starter, because especially they only have

603
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: him for one year. But I just I wouldn't be

604
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: surprised if he's used, like I said about a lot

605
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 2: of the guys offseason, like a little more of a

606
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: creative role, mostly because of those options, but also because

607
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: he has four legit pitches.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's gonna be days in the week

609
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: at some point where the Mets are gonna have like

610
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: the opener starter thing ready to go, and Fujinami does

611
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: seem like someone who maybe could fill in that role

612
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: again if they send him down to stretch them out.

613
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: See what they do in spring training with him. But yeah,

614
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: it does seem like he's gonna be in the bullpen.

615
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: But what's really cool about Fujinami too, is I think,

616
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Speaker 1: did you do we post a picture for Mets stuff.

617
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: But he seems to have been very friendly with code

618
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: I Senga as well, like through their career in Japan.

619
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Speaker 1: Now there's a picture of them at a game. Code

620
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Speaker 1: I Senga is, I think weirdly wearing a d Backs

621
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: shirt in the picture of all things. Who cares anyway,

622
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: But so I think there's probably some comfortability too of

623
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: Code I probably had great things to say about pitching

624
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: in New York. Shintar Fujinami probably had offers from teams,

625
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: but again it was like, you know, dollar, you know,

626
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: pennies at the dollar. I'm sure in the difference, and

627
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: probably just wanted to be a little bit comfortable come

628
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: to New York. And I really like, again what the

629
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: plan is from the Mets here instead of getting the

630
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: you know who, I'm gonna say, James, instead of going

631
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: after like Trevor Gott Phil Bickford, Like it's just like

632
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: these guys who like and I know you're gonna say

633
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: Phil Bickford has some stuff, but like, relatively speaking, no,

634
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't. So like I like that we're going for

635
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: these guys. There's there's risk here involved in terms of

636
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: like the day to day. What are they gonna perform

637
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: on the field every single day? But at the price

638
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: point and what they could be ceiling wise, I love

639
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: these moves. It's just so smart, so modern thinking something

640
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: that again you said, not just the Mets, A lot

641
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: of teams in baseball don't do what they're bullpen.

642
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially the ones that I feel like perform

643
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: better year over year, Like you never really see the

644
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: raise the Dodgers, even the Yankees as a team, Like

645
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: these teams kind of these build the relievers internally and

646
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: then they kind of figure out what's gonna happen after that.

647
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: Like you when you start shopping for relievers, it always

648
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: becomes like a bad idea. Like think about the teams

649
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: this offseason have signed those ten million dollar year reliever contracts.

650
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: You have the Pirates, you have the Angels, I mean

651
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: you have you have, you have the brand. Yeah, the

652
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: Angels have dumb Yeah, the brains kind of do this

653
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: every year. It never really works that badly. But they

654
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: also again just have like good infrastructure and Raynaldo Lopez.

655
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: They said they might make a starter, so but since

656
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: that happened, they trade for Chrissale and like that does

657
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: but Sale also is gonna throw what like eighty innings

658
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: so one hundred. Yeah, Like I just think this is

659
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: a fun place to be. I also really think, like

660
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 2: we've talked about Fujinami Sanka being friends, I really think

661
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: something gonna appeal to the Mets is kind of how

662
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: similar these guys Arsenals are. Yeah. I haven't really heard

663
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: anybody say this yet, but he has a hard fast

664
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: ball that I'm sure if he was starting it would

665
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: more sit like ninety six and ninety eight like Sangas,

666
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: but as a reliever sits like ninety eight two one hundred,

667
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: and it has more run than hop pretty similar shape.

668
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: He has a splither that's the money pitch, just not

669
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: the ghost fork, but it's still like his best pitch.

670
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: I think darts out of his own teacher teach him

671
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: the ghost fork, right, why not? It's really only one

672
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: year contract, only one your contract. Give give me three

673
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: year extension and then we'll teach you the ghost for

674
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: you want to learn the ghost fork. He got a

675
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: sign for multiple years. Gotta play a little game here

676
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: with this, and then he has a color that mixes in.

677
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: He's working on a sweeper sweep that these two literally

678
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: learned together. They went to drive line together last offseason

679
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: they were both coming to America. So I think that

680
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: the experience that now Sega has pitching for a year

681
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: in the city, in this ballpark, in this organization, whatever

682
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: Hefner did with Sanga last year, that kind of helped

683
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: him transition from being a guy who was like a

684
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: fringe starter for the first month and half of the

685
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: season to them being like completely lights out. I also

686
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: think that it's kind of funny think about this, but

687
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: I really thought that like a big thing with Sanga

688
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: last year starting that season was could have had to

689
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: do with the weather. Yeah, and we know that last

690
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: year for Jami was pitching in Oakland at the beginning

691
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: of the year, which is not a fun place to pitch,

692
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: especially in April. It's just not not good weather, not

693
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: fun environment. It's just it's cold, Like I don't know,

694
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: I feel like like when Japanese pitches come over, like

695
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: that's a big thing. I was kind of where Imanaga

696
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: about him pitching in Chicago. I'm just a fancy baseball

697
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: brainer right now doing fields insane. It feels like it's

698
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: gonna be a tough adjustment for him in Chicago. Because

699
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: the first three months are cold and windy. Just something

700
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: think about. So even just like having like sang In nearby,

701
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: the fact that they have like the same pitches, the

702
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: same pitching coaches worked with them last year, I think

703
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: there's a lot of potential there. And then the other

704
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: obvious thing, the big reason that the Mets sign would

705
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: start form is philosophy. We've talked about this a lot.

706
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: He throws chether like it's it's gas. Mets were what

707
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: I think it was.

708
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: His fastest pitch came against the Mets last year when

709
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: it was true.

710
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: Fast pitch game against the Mets, and that was kind

711
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: of funny because that first time pitching against the Mets,

712
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: it was a disaster. And I think a lot of

713
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: Mess fans remember that because it was still April. It

714
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: was a Friday night ten o'clock, So I'm sure that's

715
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: like if you're gonna like, I'll watch a Friday night

716
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: game at ten o'clock, like it's it's a great time

717
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: to watch a game. Like if where out and we're

718
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: at the bar, we're like, oh my god, the Mets

719
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: around of ten, this is amazing. But also it's like

720
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: for the older generation of Mets fanger like I can

721
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: sit down at ten and actually enjoy these first six innings.

722
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: I have to worry about waking up in the morning.

723
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm gonna watch this this guy

724
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: I've never seen before. They're like, oh, he can't throw

725
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: strikes from Francisco indoors to the Grand Slam. This guy

726
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: sucks and a lot of Mets fans are probably taper out.

727
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Not a lot of Mets fans. You guys heard last

728
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: week the survey we talked about, but I'm sure more Mets,

729
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 2: like some more Mets fans than we realized, probably were

730
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: not watching a Sunday afternoon game in August when Chatara

731
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: fu janam Is pitching against them for the Orioles out

732
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: of the bullpen, threw one hundred three miles an hour

733
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: against DJ Stewart. It struck him out, and that was

734
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: in DJ Stewart was at the peak of his powers.

735
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Tatara last year threw one hundred and six pitches over

736
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour, again the hardest two against

737
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: the Mets. Therese one hundred and six pitches over one

738
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour, with the ninth most in the

739
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: whole League, well, very very live arm, especially as a

740
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: guy coming out of the pen. He threw seven pitches

741
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: over one hundred two miles an hour, which is also

742
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: just kind of stupid. I can't even believe that. And

743
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: you let yeah, the hardest of the year to DJ

744
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: Stewart at the end, like he's far from a sure thing.

745
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: But as far as clay to mold, goes like, this

746
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: is clay that could be really fun to mold. Yeah,

747
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: this is a lot of fun.

748
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: And you look at like what the Mets bullpen is

749
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: gonna look like, you know, right now projected Diaz, Otavino, Rayley,

750
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: Drew Smith, Deekman, Fujinami, Jorge Lopez, and then that last

751
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: spot's gonna between like Phil Bickford, maybe Bryce Manta Steoko

752
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: is feeling healthy, he can maybe make that last spot

753
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: if he's ready to go.

754
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Michael Tonkin, Sean.

755
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Reid Foley, who we know like looked really good at

756
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: times last year was pumping upper nineties, which was really cool.

757
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: You have Austin Adams, you have Josh Walker, Johann Ramirez,

758
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: your boy Cole Salzer got a non roster invite.

759
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: Did you know that? Of course we talked about that

760
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: did we talk about that?

761
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, but like dark days, there's a lot of

762
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: just like fun ish arms that are now filling out

763
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: these spots rather than just like complete losers in the past,

764
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: like Jacob Braim. Yeah, exactly, And it's kind of funny

765
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: like this bullpen is so old compared to like other

766
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: bullpens in the league. Yeah, Like I think that Bickford's

767
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: a guy like really on the on the roster line

768
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: right now, Like I think he'd be someone with the DFA.

769
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: They wouldn't feel that bad, especially because if Fujinami's not

770
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: going to be the long man, they probably do want

771
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: either Reid Foley or Tonkin or mac uh cranic to

772
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: be the guy who's like the long man like stopping

773
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: up innings or just whether or not that is Tyler McGill,

774
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: Like that's also remains to be seen. Like he makes

775
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: a lot more sense in that spot than Phil Bickford.

776
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: But if that, like, let's let's say that spot goes

777
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: to Michael Tonkin. The Fujinami turns thirty in a few months,

778
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: every believe in them as bullpen will be and same

779
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: with Edward. Every leave in the bullpen be thirty years

780
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: old's just old men. Deacons in the league eleven years.

781
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Adam Viven has been league for twelve years. Like, these

782
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: guys have put in their time, They've put in some service.

783
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: Like we have some grizzled vets in this bullpen, which

784
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I think is rare for a bullpen that's one so

785
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: cheap and to not still considered it to be like

786
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: that good in terms of the scope major League Baseball,

787
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean we say it every episode, but man, it's

788
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a fun season. If you

789
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: love baseball, it's gonna be so much fun.

790
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. We're gonn talk about a little

791
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: bit THEEAD know Mark's gonna make a video about two

792
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: for his channel about to precoda the projections. But like

793
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: right now, fangrass, Pokoa, all the all the nerds have.

794
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: The Mets is like an eighty four win team. It's

795
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: like it's a coin flip. They make the playoffs, so

796
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 2: they don't That's pretty much what it is. Eighty four

797
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: win team is amazing. Neimo actually went on the show

798
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: with the Show with the Legends. Yeah, the show you

799
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: guys don't know, the show you should know about the

800
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: show John Hayman, who once famously said that he did

801
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: never saw a black person in your family park. That's

802
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: old tweet. Can't forget about that one. But he's Nimo

803
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: said that he's like a state. They feel like other dogs,

804
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: and there was like excitement his voice about it. Like

805
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: there was also Nimo's wearing like a black T shirt

806
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: and gold chain, Like I don't I don't know what

807
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: got into this guy, but he got that money and

808
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: he's like, let's let's get a little get a little tea.

809
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: You know what. Maybe he's been hanging around for Francis

810
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: co Oubres. We know that guy's dripping in tea. I

811
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: don't even know, but hearing him talk about that, seems

812
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: like this team is excited to be the underdog.

813
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: Last year, it felt like there was pressure that just

814
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: they couldn't, for lack of a better term, weren't really

815
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: ready for They weren't. They weren't the guy in charge

816
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: wasn't ready for it. They got like that. The whole

817
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: thing just felt bad the whole way through. They're never comfortable,

818
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: they were never ready. They and they looked at the

819
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: league just kind of walked up on them. But this

820
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: year kind of feels like the opposon might happen underdogs,

821
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: no pressure, just gonna play some baseball. It's gonna be

822
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: a lot of just baseball this year, So I hope

823
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: you like it.

824
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm super ex for the season as we get

825
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: closer and closer. And one thing to talk about too,

826
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: is we just saw Bobby Wick get that contract extension.

827
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I know the big one right now is Pete Alonzo,

828
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: but we know that's not happening. It's just not gonna

829
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: happen before the season starts. There's no way, Francisco Alvarez,

830
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: that's a real conversation to be had about extending him

831
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: or giving him that contract that you see a lot

832
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: of teams be aggressive with with their young players. And

833
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the Bobby Wit contract was crazy, but if

834
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: there's anybody to give it to, he's one of those guys.

835
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: Right now. You're going to buy out a bunch of

836
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: cheap years as he starts to get arbitration and you

837
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: pay him more when he wasn't gonna be arbitration eligible.

838
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: So he's gonna end up getting like thirty five million

839
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: dollars a year towards the end of that contract, which

840
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: is probably gonna end up being pretty cheap for a

841
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: guy who looks like he's going to be not one

842
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: of just the best shortstops in baseball, but one of

843
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: the best players. And a guy like Francisco Alvarez is

844
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: an interesting situation where the Mets could probably extend him

845
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: right now. I would imagine he'd be pretty interested in that,

846
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: and you'd probably be able to get him for pretty

847
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: cheap because as much as we love him and know

848
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: he's going to be good, and he knows he's going

849
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: to be good too, the numbers were not there technically

850
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: last year, Like he wasn't disgustingly good where you have

851
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: to pay him a ton of money. Fucking Ronaldocuna Junior

852
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: didn't make that much money after a crazy year. So like,

853
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: is this the time the Mets get aggressive and try

854
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: and maybe sneak away Alvarez for a couple of extra

855
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: years for a few less dollars.

856
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: I think. I think right now, in terms of like

857
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: an extension for young player, they're kind of in no

858
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: man's land because the big reason a lot of players

859
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: will sign these deals where you kind of saw it

860
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: with like Julio Rodriguez, you saw with Colt Keith a

861
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, saw with Jackson Churrio a few months ago.

862
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: Plenty of the guys done this, but Lous Robert, where

863
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: you want, as young players yet to make the major leagues,

864
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: you have to hit that like very consistent earning ceiling.

865
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: Yet you want to like basically guarantee your spot in

866
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: the major league roster, like I want to buy out

867
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: a year more of this minor league garning because this

868
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: minor league garning is terrible and least at least if

869
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: you like I get me to the major leagues, I'll

870
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: give up some money. I'll give up money later on

871
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: when I'm twenty seven, twenty eight years old, So you

872
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: can give me like five million dollars right now, because

873
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: I'll change my life, my family's life. Where Alpharez now

874
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: he's in the major leagues, it's totally official, totally ordained

875
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: he will be. But from his perspective, like you said,

876
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: he hasn't put the numbers out there yet, where he's like,

877
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to now get this contract that feels okay,

878
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Which is the difference where Bobby Witchess was. Bobby Wood's

879
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: first season was similar to Alvarez. He's more like you

880
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: could feel something was happening, but when you look at

881
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, it's like a seven to twenty ops

882
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: and like a WRC plus under one hundred, Like I

883
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: see what's happening here, and I see he's really good,

884
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: but it's not there yet, where like my agent can

885
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: come with concrete, tangible things to be like make me

886
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: this much money, like I want to be. I want

887
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: this contract to grow in to be one of the

888
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: highest pag chot's up so this case catcher by the

889
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: end of it. But there's like there's one year away

890
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 2: for where that's happening. Where Like I feel like this year,

891
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: if Alvarez has a one to twenty WRC plus, twenty

892
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: five home ors, two fifty average, twenty percent strike our rate,

893
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: ten percent walk, great plays, good defense, stale doesn't get

894
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: injured next offseason, this becomes like Okay, now we have

895
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: to do this and now it can be a real thing.

896
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: I think too many Mets fans brains have been poisoned

897
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: by the Braves and the fact that they take advantage

898
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: of their young players like ad nauseum, like they just

899
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: they just they've they've abused the careers of Asi Albi's wrong,

900
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: COUNI of those players will never live up to their

901
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: awning potential. It's really a shame, not only for them

902
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: before their families, that the Braves organizations take advantage of

903
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: them in this way, keep them wear it out of

904
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: people's mouths, That's what I mean. So like Mets fans like,

905
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: let's like, let's give Alvarez like no money, I'm like,

906
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, Like I want I

907
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 2: wanted one of our best players to be like paid

908
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: and comfortable for his entire prime. Like maybe maybe Ronald

909
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: Couney has put the fact that he's one of the

910
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: least played payers in baseball behind him. Maybe he's okay

911
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: with Shama if he's making more money than him, Like

912
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: maybe he is Rinaldo Lopez too, like he's a good player.

913
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure you're okay with relievers who appear in

914
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: fifty games a year and making more money than you

915
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: just had one of the best seasons the history of

916
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: the sport. But I digress. I think that of them

917
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: a good place to like compare Alvarez too, is keeper

918
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 2: Ruiz and keeper Ruiz before last season, after his first

919
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: year in the major leagues, where he was like ready

920
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: and okay, who was significally older than Alvarez signed an

921
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: eight year, fifty million dollar extension and it's gonna give

922
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: you really yeah before last season.

923
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: Who I didn't know because I was literally thinking in

924
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: my head I was gonna ask you, was like, is

925
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: there any young catcher recee the one as signed an

926
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: extension because when you when you think of it, is

927
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: that scary position to give out money just because of

928
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: the day to day grind and how you get beat

929
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: the shit out of behind there.

930
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: But keeper Ruiz, I didn't Did I miss that? Where

931
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: was that? Maybe it was it was last like March

932
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: or April, so I think it was when you were

933
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: floor of the mark. I remember when we were actually

934
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: training for the Mets. Actually good times, remember those days.

935
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: But eight years, fifty million dollars kicking in for this year,

936
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: it's going to take him from his age is twenty

937
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: I think twenty four, twenty five to thirty one season

938
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: and at the end of that here's a two year,

939
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: twenty six million dollar club option for his ages thirty

940
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: two and thirty three seasons. Where Keeper Ruiz is different

941
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: from Alvarez, where like most of his values derived from

942
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: contact and good defense. But like he I think I

943
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: think he's right now becoming one of the more underrated

944
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: players in baseball. I think you're gonna look up and

945
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, I' seeing two seventy fifteen

946
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: homers and like playing good defense. I think he does

947
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: bad with the framing stats. Now, yes, isn't something creaming

948
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: terrible framer and we know that framing is not going

949
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: to matter in like two years, so totally. But also

950
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: pitchers I've talked about, they like thronged to him and

951
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: like he's he's kind of one of these like catchers

952
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: that you want your organization, which I think Alva is

953
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: becoming two where it's like you feel like this guy's

954
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: will Eider. Like people look to the catcher as like, oh,

955
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: that's our guy, and I think Alvarez is becoming that.

956
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: But he's still twenty one years old, just turned twenty two. Keybert,

957
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: I think came up with twenty two and now he's

958
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: gonna be turn twenty five this year. Is this extension

959
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: is gonna kick in, so that even still feels like

960
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: a weird cop. Like Sean Murphy got his extension too,

961
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: but he was more established and older high draft pick

962
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: college player when he did that. The guy I'm watching

963
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: right now also like raym Muto. People talk about that

964
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: contract twenty three million dollars, like Alvarez better than him.

965
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: He was like twenty seven years old. He just came

966
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: off to like five win seasons, Like it's not the

967
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: same at all. He was on the open market. The

968
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: guy I'm watching to see if he gets an extension

969
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: because I think he compares most closely to Alvarez, William Contraras,

970
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: where William coacheris has now put out like three seasons

971
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, this guy can fucking hit. Yeah,

972
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: and the defense finally just came on last year. But

973
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: he's even older than Elvis too. I think he's twenty six,

974
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: twenty seven already, Like he looked, he was a little

975
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: bit more of a late bloomer. So Alvarez we talked

976
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: about a lot last year, like how much of you

977
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: unicorn he is in terms of how often catchers play

978
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: at his age, and it's been like no one history.

979
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: It's like twenty catchers ever who caused many games as

980
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: him before he turned twenty two years old, and only

981
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: one of them hit more home runs and it was

982
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: Johnny bench in a single season. Again like historically comps

983
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: right now, like he is tracking to be like a

984
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: special catcher, he also hasn't done it yet. He still

985
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: swings and misses a lot. The defense is still good

986
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: but not perfect because a lot of things that he

987
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: can improve on, a lot of things I think he

988
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: will improve on. And it's hard to see a ceiling

989
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: in the floor right now. It's just a weird spot

990
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: for him to come to the table and be like,

991
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: I want an extension correct.

992
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: And the thing that makes it interesting William Contrero's too,

993
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: is that the Brewers and this I guess we'll build

994
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: into our prospect talk a little bit too. They do

995
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: have Jeff Jefferson Quero behind him, who's a very very

996
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: good catcher as well in the minor leagues.

997
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: Caro, Caro, Oh, it's Caro, come on, speak do you

998
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: always talk about well you can speak spash, that's qu.

999
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, ca Caro, all right, yeah, whatever, you're right,

1000
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, you're right. I said it out loud,

1001
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: and I was wrong, Quero. It was stupid. I don't

1002
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: know what I was saying. But at the end of

1003
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: the day. Brewers don't really pay that much money to

1004
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: players anyway, and they have someone I don't want to

1005
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: say waiting because William Contreres is awesome, one of the

1006
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: best catchers in the league right now. He's just so good.

1007
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: But his contract will be worth watching because that, like

1008
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: you said, is the comp right now for Francisco Alvarez

1009
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: at the top of his game, because William Contrerez is

1010
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: one of the best catchers in the league.

1011
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: So it's tough.

1012
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: It's tough to see what value Francisco Alvarez could have

1013
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: in an extension, And from both sides, there's not really

1014
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: an incentive to do it right now either because he's

1015
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: still free. So it's like until he gets closer to ARB,

1016
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: which is gonna take what two more seasons. I think, yes,

1017
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: maybe next year that conversation is more real, but right

1018
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: now it just doesn't really make sense.

1019
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: For either side. And again, I think from his perspective,

1020
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: like he'll only even talk about the negotiation if, like

1021
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: he suddenly has a good year, yes, you know, I mean,

1022
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: like if he has another year where he's kind of middling,

1023
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: which is definitely part of the Valarez projection, he could

1024
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: have another years here where it's like one hundred WRC

1025
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: plus two twenty average twenty three homers, Like, that's very

1026
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: much in range, and that would still be a fine

1027
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: season for our catcher. Better season we've had for ketcher

1028
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: for a very long time. I was looking up these

1029
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: catcher contracts before this. He knows the seventh highest pay

1030
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: catcher in the league based on average annual value James

1031
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: McCann's seventh highest pay catch in the league at ten mil.

1032
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: So just again put in perpective how much catcheres even make.

1033
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: It's not very much across the league. But another thing

1034
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: about Alvarez, which is this that two things. One, he

1035
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: signed a massive, massive bonus when he signed a sixteen

1036
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: year old with the Mets. I don't know where the

1037
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: money is now. I don't know who's running Alvaz the stuff,

1038
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: But like the fact he got over a million back then,

1039
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: it gives him slightly lesson incentive right now to jump

1040
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: for a contract. Maybe check where keeper Ruizz was, because

1041
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would compare then anything. But

1042
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: another thing is that just for Cisco, overs is playing

1043
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: in New York and he's already becoming a star, a

1044
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: bit of a phenomenon. He's gonna have more opportunities for advertisements,

1045
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: more opportunities to market himself, and that's probably something that

1046
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: has worked against the Mets. And it's p Lonzo negotiation

1047
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: as well, where it's like, I'm making more money off

1048
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: the field just because I live and work in the city,

1049
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: So that gives me less of an incentive to sign

1050
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: a contract to give you any kind of discount because

1051
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: I can just wait because I don't need the money

1052
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: right now. I can wait till I'm the most valuable

1053
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: I am on the market and then do that. I

1054
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna happen. I'm just like talking

1055
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: out loud, talking about little things that are happening. But

1056
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: I think that there's less of a chance to Mets.

1057
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: I think there's no chance this offseason. I hope this

1058
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: comes back in the sound, but I think there's no

1059
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: chance for scol science and extension the next two months

1060
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: before a season starts. But next off seat, I think

1061
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: it's possible too OFFSEEA. I think it's more possible though overall,

1062
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't be shocked he gets to arbitration.

1063
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. It doesn't happen a lot, But I don't know.

1064
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: Caber Rui signed for one hundred and forty thousand, so

1065
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: significantly less. Okay, so that probably played into it a

1066
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: lot as well. Where that one hundred and forty thousand,

1067
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was gone by the time its twenty

1068
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: years old, whereas Alvarez probably has kind of ritten off

1069
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: a million where like that that's a huge deal.

1070
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: So that played that. All these little things play with

1071
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: these kinds of contracts with guys, and there's so many

1072
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: moving parts that will never know, Like shame on us

1073
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: because we added to the bad rhetoric. We're just we're

1074
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: trying to get engaged anyways we can. I just tweeted

1075
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: the other day, should the Mets extemperenceis go out forres?

1076
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: So many interaction was like yes, Like yeah, I know

1077
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: we should, but like are we will we? Does he

1078
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: want to? Like there's a nuanced discussion. I'm I'm happy

1079
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: we're having it. Happy that Bobby what contract kind of

1080
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: spurned it? Yeah?

1081
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: No, definitely, And I mean again this is he's still

1082
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: so young. See what's going to happen this upcoming season?

1083
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: And that leads us kind of into as well, our

1084
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: our final last thing to talk about here a little

1085
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: bit is going to be prospects.

1086
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about about them.

1087
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: We'll give you our top ten here as we start

1088
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: to close out, but I do want to bring up

1089
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Keith Law's top one hundred prospect list. He's kind of

1090
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: the last big name that people value us for some

1091
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: reason in terms of prospects.

1092
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: He works for the athletic He dropped his top one hundred.

1093
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: I think the highest Mets guy.

1094
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: Was Jet Williams, right, I believe so, yeah, yeah, Jet

1095
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: came in at number thirty, which is pretty relatively in

1096
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: the spot where everybody kind of has him in that

1097
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: thirty to fifty range I feel like, and Jet obviously

1098
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: very good, but where there's some crazy stuff on this one.

1099
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: If you look at number thirteen on this list, Brian Rochio,

1100
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: and then you go down a little bit in sixteen,

1101
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: it's Mason Win. And this is something that me and

1102
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: you have had a conversation about af air off the podcast.

1103
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: It's just the different way that people evaluate prospects, and

1104
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: Keith Laws has to make the least amount of sense

1105
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: out of anybody. If there's anyone to talk about.

1106
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: I think it's funny too with this list. Keith Law's

1107
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: a legend of the game He's been scatting making prospects

1108
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: since for a very long time. He was with ESPN

1109
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: for a while and he was doing really good work there.

1110
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: I feel like before ESPN, I know he was somewhere,

1111
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: but I can't remember where. I have no clue. I

1112
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: have no clue. I wouldn't give some credit for his

1113
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: due because to get to the point where you're the

1114
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: prospect guart for the athletic, like you've done a lot

1115
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: of good stuff, Like it'd be amazing to be the

1116
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: prospect guart for the athletic. Like you put in your work,

1117
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: You've paid your dues, like you you're in a good position.

1118
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: You have a lot of things to say. But the

1119
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: fact that he has these defensive first shortstops like Brian

1120
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Roki and Mason Winn who are like gonna be major

1121
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: league players but as of right now, like I don't know,

1122
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if they were even three win players,

1123
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: and which again they're still very young, which is good.

1124
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: But then the fact that he has a guy like

1125
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 2: Marcelo Meyer eighth, who is only twenty one years old,

1126
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: who had a year where he didn't look as good

1127
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: of hitting, and he had another year where he also

1128
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: might Is he like, what's his defensive consideration right now? Shortstop?

1129
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that like a thing he had been

1130
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: comped as, like a Corey Seeger defense like players, he's

1131
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: six to two for sure, But defensively, I think he's

1132
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: he's just fine at shortstop. I don't think he was

1133
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: ever like, oh my god, this guy's a wizard over

1134
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: there at short I think he was just good. They

1135
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: expected him to be a shortstop. But again, like another

1136
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: disappointing season, maybe he goes more into like that Noel

1137
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: Vie Marte world now where maybe more he's more of

1138
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: a third baseman at this point.

1139
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: Especially keeping older, keeping on more weight, you keep hitting

1140
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: for more powers, like I want to keep doing this.

1141
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: But this Keith Law list, there was a lot of

1142
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: weird stuff like that, Like I didn't like they had

1143
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: Mac Clark at Walker Jenkins, Like these guys were in

1144
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: the same draft class and like Max Clark, I mean,

1145
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: Walker Jenkins just hit the ball harder. He had made

1146
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: more contact, like it it was very clear. I mean

1147
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: it was a little bit of pro ball. But also

1148
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: going back to their their stats from club circuit, Like

1149
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: it just seemed like he just did a lot of

1150
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: things better. So I was like the fact he one

1151
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: spot of the head, it seemed like he's kind of

1152
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: trying to be different. But the thing pissed me off

1153
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: the most about this list, by far is Drew Gilbert's ranking. Yeah,

1154
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Drew Gilbert at one hundred is insane. It's nuts. That's

1155
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: just wrong.

1156
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: That's incorrect, And especially with some of the guys that

1157
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: are listed ahead of him, it looks like he picked

1158
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: out names of a hat at points on this list,

1159
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy.

1160
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: It's also because like there's so much of this list

1161
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: where it's like, true Gilbert, there's a good chance in

1162
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Like he's a contributing major leaguer who

1163
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: can play defense in center field at an adequate level

1164
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: and hit for power. Now whache like be a well

1165
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: rounded player. He's not not there the home run power,

1166
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: but like across one hundred six two games, I see

1167
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: him as being like a twenty three twenty five homer guy.

1168
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: What Brandon Nemo. Brandon Nemo a guy who also didn't

1169
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: get a lot of credit and a lot of these

1170
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: prospect lists and we tweet the tweet the stats from

1171
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: Drew Gilbert this morning from messed up once he got

1172
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: to double a with the Mets, and he was just

1173
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: he was he was unsoppable. The guy was hitting the

1174
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: crap out of the ball. He has a lot of

1175
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: the tools that you want for a major league baseball player.

1176
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: He seems to be very low risk because of how

1177
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: closeier he is and how good he was in college.

1178
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: And he is a little older, so I guess maybe

1179
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: that kind of works against him too. But I couldn't

1180
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't make sense to this list when he had

1181
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: Drew Gilbert behind the guy like even a guy that

1182
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: I love, like Ryan Clifford, who like Ryan Clifford, just

1183
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, he's like doesn't really have a defensive home,

1184
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: like he's he's a lumbering for his basement, Like he

1185
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: has to be like an amazing hit there to really

1186
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: hold up to be like a top fifty prospect, which

1187
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: I think he might be, Like he might be a

1188
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: special power hither, but it's like the way that Drew

1189
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: Gilbert commands his own right now, the power he gets

1190
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: to the defense he plays like, it seems hard to

1191
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: have a lot of the guys he had that Keith

1192
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 2: all had ahead of him, ahead of him.

1193
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Victor Scott who hit like two thirty in

1194
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: the miners last year, and he's he's an.

1195
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: Outfielder as well. Justin Crawford I think had like a

1196
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: thirty five percent rate a negative nine degree launch angle

1197
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: and he was forty three, which like he looks like

1198
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: a great defensive center fielder, but also like, is he

1199
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: ever really going to hit to be a major league

1200
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: gulfielder guy, I don't think so. Drew Gilbert already hits

1201
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: enough to probably be a major league gutfielder.

1202
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: It's I mean, even even like Saddan Rafaela, I think,

1203
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: like at thirty two is like crazy high for a

1204
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: guy who's probably utility player.

1205
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't really make sense at all. It

1206
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: was a litt annoying to me. I don't maybe it

1207
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been, but I don't know. Drew Gilbert, Drew

1208
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Gibler also guy who definitely could rub people the wrong way,

1209
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: like Keith Keith Law's boots on the ground, like maybe

1210
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: had an interaction with him, Like maybe Keith Loll wasn't

1211
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: in a minute made last year with Drew Gilbert. I

1212
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: think in a showcase hit the ball a hundred fifteen

1213
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: miles an hour. Maybe didn't know that, maybe they know

1214
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: that was the max exu of VASI. I think that

1215
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: was still a Tennessee with a metal bat, but still

1216
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: pretty relevant. I don't know it was. It was just

1217
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: weird to me that this was like Aurelvis Martinez or

1218
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 2: Elvis Martinez and Drew Gilbert are a year apart in age.

1219
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: Aurelvis has magnificent power, it doesn't have a defensive home

1220
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: swings and misses a good bit. I don't know. It's

1221
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: weird to me, like we're talking prospects off right now.

1222
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: This isn't very metrolated. But he had Joe. We were

1223
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: teasing are you Namala? Next to each other in these rankings.

1224
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: Georgia Tez got a lot of critical acclaim this week

1225
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 2: because he was basically a center piece of a trade

1226
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: for Corbyn Burns, and I think a lot of people

1227
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: were accepted like why in my team match for Corbin Burns.

1228
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: Like a couple guys, George t is like a major

1229
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: lea shortstop right now. He's gonna be I think a

1230
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: pretty good one. He can play the position. He has

1231
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: good eggs of lolosses. He doesn't swinging miss very often.

1232
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: Namala is as much of a projects we've seen in

1233
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: the first round in Major League draft in like the decade.

1234
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: And he could be like a great this This is

1235
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: no doubt on Argent Namala, but like you said, he

1236
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: is a huge, huge project. Like everyone sees the raw

1237
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: talent with him, but it has not yet shown up

1238
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: in the performance for Argin Namala. So yeah, to have

1239
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: like those guys next to each other makes no sense.

1240
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: And then both those guys that had of Harry Ford,

1241
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: are we kidding me? Like one of the best young

1242
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: prospects in baseball he puts at sixty one. I can't,

1243
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: I can't even wrap my head around it. Harry Ford's awesome.

1244
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: He's a sick player and a sick athlete who plays catcher.

1245
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: Like what last we're gonna rag on Keith Law here,

1246
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: but head Miguel Blais ahead of ahead of Drew Gilbert

1247
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: at eighty eight in the list. Go play this last

1248
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: year in low as a nineteen year old, which is

1249
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: a little, yeah, a little low for the level. He

1250
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: popped his shoulder.

1251
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: What I think he had a shoulder injury, like a

1252
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: major shoulder injury last year as well at some point,

1253
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: so it's like what and.

1254
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: You also he was thirty percent worse than the average

1255
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: when he was on the field. I just hit one

1256
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: home run last year in low way, which is like,

1257
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: be kidding me. But I don't know. It was a

1258
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: weird list, like we were on the Chastise people. But

1259
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: I thought this list was strange. And he thought had

1260
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: some strange lists each of the last few years, kind

1261
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: of since he went to the athletic which I don't

1262
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: know if those are related, but it was a weird list.

1263
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: I didn't didn't appreciate the Drew Gilbert ranking.

1264
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: No, I didn't appreciate it either, especially when we go

1265
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: through our top ten prospects now for the Mets going

1266
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: into the season, we've seen, you know, people are talking

1267
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: about their top ten prospects here and there.

1268
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: We wanted to throw our hat in the ring as well.

1269
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I made my own list. James madeor own list. How

1270
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: do we want to go about this? Do we want

1271
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: to just like each say our spot and who we've

1272
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: got there and why we have them there?

1273
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: Or what are you thinking? I think that could get repetitive.

1274
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 2: How about you give your top five and I'll give mine.

1275
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: Like it takes some time talk about and I'll jump in.

1276
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: Our fives are going to be similar, but I'm assuming

1277
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 2: our six or ten are going to be kind of different.

1278
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably where we differentiate a little bit. So

1279
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Number one, I've got Jet Williams. Number two, I've got

1280
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Drew Gilbert, three, Luis on Hellicunya, four, Ryan Clifford, five

1281
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: Colin Howck. A little aggressive with Houck there, but I

1282
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: just love the build that we have on this guy,

1283
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: and he's a big, strong kid. I know we didn't

1284
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: see much out of him just yet, and this could

1285
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: change when we see him play a full season of

1286
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: minor league baseball. But I just trust what I saw

1287
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: last year during the draft process of very solid player.

1288
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Hopefully they can get more out of him like we've

1289
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: seen with some of the other prospects. Ryan Clifford, of course,

1290
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: crazy Pop. Get him out of Brooklyn and you'll see

1291
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: this guy really flourish in Binghamton, hopefully this year. Louis

1292
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 1: on Hellacunya I think is a sneaky candidate as someone

1293
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: who can maybe make the major league roster early on

1294
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: in the season. Just someone who seems to be pretty

1295
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: close to major league ready and he does play positions

1296
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: that are important up the middle. Drew Gilbert we just

1297
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: talked about for a while. He's going to be on

1298
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: the major league roster at some point. And Jet Williams

1299
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: just is the best prospect that they have. Hits the

1300
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: ball hard, doesn't strike out, gets on base, does everything

1301
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: that you want, and can play a variety of positions.

1302
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: See, I've actually switched this because we made these lists

1303
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: I've made. We did this like a couple of weeks ago,

1304
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: and we just were kind of waiting for the moment

1305
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: to do these. And I think since we made this

1306
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: perspectives Baseball America and the some of the fan grafts

1307
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Eric Lockenhangen a list came out. So just reading that

1308
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: seeing some other people's perspectives, I've made some changes. I

1309
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: just think Drew Gilbert now is the best prospect of

1310
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 2: message WHOA, Okay, I just think that I still love Jet.

1311
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: I think Jet probably still is the highest ceiling, Like

1312
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: he's the guy in the system with the most star

1313
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: potential for sure, But I just I want to see

1314
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: him play well double a first, like I think that's

1315
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: a big change. He like when he was the big

1316
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: Eton last year, like he was still walking a lot,

1317
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: and he was still playing adequate defense. But I just

1318
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: wanted to see him get some time in the upper

1319
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: minders and actually really be able to hit the ball

1320
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: because it was a very small stample last year. But

1321
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: just wasn't very good there. But Gilbert with the Mets

1322
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: was unstoppable, and Bighamton he he can do everything. Like

1323
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: I went back and looked at like draft stuff from

1324
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: him too, like the way he had his Chase Rain

1325
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: and his EGX of last sees were so ridiculous, especially

1326
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: for a guy his size. It's just I just I

1327
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: think that there's such there's such a floor with Drew

1328
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: Gilbert with adequate ceiling on top of that, just I

1329
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 2: see I see like I see like prime Chintu Chow there,

1330
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: like even brand Nemo. It's like that's more of like

1331
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: a bodybuild like similarity to where just like he's gonna walk,

1332
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: he's gonna hit for some power, not a ton. He's

1333
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna pepper the gaps, like he's just gonna

1334
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: be a nut, Like I miss having a nut in

1335
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: the Major League clubhouseuse. Mets don't really have a nut

1336
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: right now. Besides mcdonaldby, he's like different, but like I

1337
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: love Gilbert and Jet, Jet's my two. I've been talking

1338
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: about him all off seasons. I'm not gonna stop now.

1339
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: But Christian Scott, Like I just I'm so ready for

1340
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: Christian Scott to be an impact pictuer. Looking at the

1341
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: Mets forty men roster, I'm now realizing how many depth

1342
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: guys are pulling on there, so I might there might

1343
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: be less of a chance that Scott makes the big impact.

1344
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm hoping he does this year, but I just I

1345
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: think there's a chance they can't keep him down like

1346
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: he and all the miners last year. Sam Dyster said this,

1347
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: I think he saw my tweet, but he had the

1348
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: lowest fifth the highest strike up myst walk rate and

1349
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: he had it's one with lowest walk rate. So it's

1350
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: just like he you do all those things well. He's

1351
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: changed up his repertoire so much to slide. This plus

1352
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: the fastballs plus throws gas like he sustains it late

1353
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: into his as. I think he's awesome. Then four and

1354
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: five I have Clifford and Kunya. We're again Clifford. I

1355
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: I really want to see him in Binghamton because I

1356
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: think that he's advanced enough hither with his like content

1357
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: act and power rates at this rate, that he can

1358
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: he can play well there and kind of really change

1359
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: his prospect pedigree. Eric Longenhagen could competent to do the

1360
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: which I thought was hilarious, okay, because like right now

1361
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: that sounds awful, but it's also like, you know what,

1362
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: like he's like about four years of one twenty WRC plus. Like, dude,

1363
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: if you on Baseball Savant, you can go back and

1364
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: look at like the percentiles from like twenty fifteen, twenty

1365
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: sixteen and stuff. Lucas Dou's twenty fifteen percentiles are sick.

1366
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: He's like ninety eighth and everything except like k rate.

1367
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: And it's like, damn might take a player like that

1368
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: in the Mets right now, right now, take ude magic

1369
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: if he was the DH just ninety five games exactly.

1370
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: It's also like it's it's a thing because just like

1371
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: when you like defensive versatility, like Clifford is probably never

1372
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: gonna have much defense values, so he's a lumbering for

1373
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: his basement, like as long as he can like can

1374
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: maintain his mastery of the zone keep up as the

1375
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: velocity keeps up, as he gets going up in levels,

1376
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be a great power hitterre then Acunie

1377
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: at five where I think that I think too many

1378
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: people are promoting him right now because of his name.

1379
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: Like I think it's really cool he's getting his marketing

1380
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: opportunities with his brother, like he was at MLB last week.

1381
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: He did a photo shoot the city field. But like,

1382
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to caution people to give this guy

1383
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: a second. Like I think that there's somethings about his game.

1384
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: They're very ready for the major leagues. He seems like

1385
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: at least a plus defender in the middle infield. I

1386
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: saw that. I know that some people have talked about

1387
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: him a short stop, were like apparently it's just not

1388
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: it's good, not great. The second base probably the home

1389
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: and he's still just he chases a lot of pitches.

1390
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: You really can't get to the power and game like

1391
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: he's ready to be a base around at the majorleague level.

1392
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: He's ready to make an impact on the defense, but

1393
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: there's a lot more development needs to happen with the

1394
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: bat where it's like I can't it was hard for

1395
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: me to be like, yeah, like I think that Gilbert

1396
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: is going to probably make an impact this year, but Cooney,

1397
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: I think is less of a chance of that, just

1398
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: because I think he has more the benefit from him

1399
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: staying in the minor leagues as well, Like there's more,

1400
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: there's more good that he can do from getting some time.

1401
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think

1402
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: that his his ceiling is someone I'm I'm less excited

1403
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: about where. I think his floor is something. But they

1404
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: see again, it seems like to me that he has to, like,

1405
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: he has to get some consistency as a prospect because,

1406
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: like as Gilbert played super well last year when he

1407
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: came to the Mets, but Cuney did not. Those two

1408
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: months of Binghamton are very hard for him. It's hard.

1409
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: You're moving across the country, You're changing everything about your process,

1410
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: your system, all new coaches, all new voices. But I'd

1411
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: like to see him like stabilize a little bit.

1412
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, And I mean he's also like younger too.

1413
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: He's twenty one years old, turn twenty two I think

1414
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: in March at some point. So yes, another year in

1415
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: the miners would not be the worst thing for him.

1416
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: That's just my bold prospect take this year is I

1417
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: think we'll see him see him at the major league

1418
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: level at some point.

1419
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: I guess I'll go six through ten. Now six. I

1420
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 2: got aggressive just because so many people have been excited

1421
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: about this guy, and I've heard from people who are

1422
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 2: excited about this guy, and I like it a lot.

1423
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: But Jeremy Rodriguez, like the fact that he did what

1424
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: he did at his age in DSL and like everyone, like.

1425
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: Heard many they call him hitlarish. I love that he's hitlerish,

1426
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: like he just gets in the box and he hits.

1427
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: The fact he's a lefty hitherto as a short stop.

1428
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: I think it's really really cool.

1429
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: Fangress put the fifty future value on him, which is

1430
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: like he's he's he's going to be a major leaguer,

1431
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: Like they had a higher future value on him than Mauricio,

1432
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: like a higher chance to be oh, an everyday player.

1433
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: But that's what that says, which I'm like, he's not

1434
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: even eighteen years old yet, So we're gonna see him

1435
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: Saint Lucy this year probably if he like dominates Saint

1436
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: Lucy and comes into some power and keeps like holding

1437
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: down shorttop defensively, like you could see him be like

1438
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: a meteor, which I think that's I think just like

1439
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: I know, like to get top. I'm not being assistant

1440
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: right now, like I'm being hypocrite because the top of

1441
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: my list I was talking about low risk with a

1442
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: guy like Gilbert over Williams instead of ceiling. But right

1443
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 2: now there's something about Rodriguez happening that it's like things

1444
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: just feel really good for him. And then seven and

1445
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: eight agains somewhey to where I'm being a little bit

1446
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: hypocrit But seven I still have Blade Tidwell just because

1447
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: throws ninety eight miles an hour. He got a new

1448
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: slightly new change up last year and everything seemed to take.

1449
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: And this is me kind of giving like a like

1450
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: a nice push in the right direction, a nice like

1451
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: stamp approval to mets pitching development, where I see the

1452
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: next year that Tidwell keeps getting better and like puts

1453
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: himself like asse. He also has the body. He's a

1454
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: starting pitching body, and I love that it's brought shoulders

1455
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: big guys, big guys, like he feels like someone who

1456
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: like he still has like he has the boy to

1457
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: be a starting pitcher. I think that's a big deal.

1458
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: And after that, Marco Vargas great contact, some of the

1459
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: Rodriguez I think less of the physical tools where he

1460
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: can come, he can come an assistant next year, be

1461
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: being Saint Lucy and kind of really change himself as

1462
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: a prospect. Nine. Just give him more pitching. I'm just

1463
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm just just a horror for pitching. It's Mike Vassel.

1464
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: Last year. He did, he did a lot last year,

1465
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: but he's kind of been overshadowed now by Scott and

1466
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: and Tidwell, where Vastil still has like a lot of

1467
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: plus pitches where he just looks like like I don't

1468
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: think he's ever going to be a frontline guy, but

1469
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: he looks like he can just come to the major

1470
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: leagues and hold his own with a curveball and I

1471
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: think a Slyder curveball, change up curveball Slyder. I'll double

1472
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: check that now. But just seems like that kind of

1473
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: high floor pitching prospect that every organization wishes they had,

1474
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: where you can like you can come in there and

1475
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: you could be like, ah nice, and like that's very

1476
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: similar to Dominic Hamill. But I just I have him

1477
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: at a little bit less because I just want to

1478
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 2: see him be able to repeat that fast but more often.

1479
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: And then my tenth best prospect was Jacob Brimer, sneaky one.

1480
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: Came through a system last year and just hit the

1481
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: shit out of the ball. He had low strike gut ray,

1482
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: high walk, very really good power numbers. Like he's one

1483
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: of those guys where like in terms of like strikeouts,

1484
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: walks in ISO, like, he was actually one of the

1485
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: better players in the upper minors through most of the year,

1486
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: So I think that he's someone who's sneaky. I kind

1487
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: of put him on his tenth because I was like,

1488
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: I just want to see I want to see what

1489
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: he's got there. But I think Jacob Brimer is a

1490
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: fun one. Yep.

1491
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: So my six through ten I went blade tidwell six. Similarly,

1492
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft, he was one of my

1493
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: favorite pitchers in the entire draft. His year.

1494
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't a.

1495
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: Strong particularly strong pitching draft, but he was one of

1496
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: my favorite and coming out of Tennessee, a team that

1497
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I watched very closely, so he.

1498
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 2: Got bespoke on with. I thought Rymer got all blay

1499
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: at the end last year. He never got to double a.

1500
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: He actually ended the season in Brooklyn. He still he

1501
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: wasn't hitting great there, but it was still good strikeout

1502
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: walk stuff. But goes. But yeah, so Tidwell, guy that

1503
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: I watched a lot, just great stuff.

1504
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: And I think especially with what the Mets have been

1505
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: able to do in just a year with the pitching,

1506
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: like you said, really excited for a guy who has

1507
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: the ability to throw like ninety eight ninety nine miles

1508
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: an hour and Blade's sick name. I don't know, there's

1509
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: just something about He's got a feel of somebody who

1510
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: could just come in and be like an intimidating starting

1511
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: pitch or something that you don't see it too often,

1512
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: I feel like in modern baseball anymore. Christian Scott at seven,

1513
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: I know you're a little bit higher on him, and

1514
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: that's completely I think fair and justifiable. I just had

1515
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: him a little bit lower because I just want to

1516
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: see him throw a few more innings. This is a

1517
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: guy that could definitely have a meteoric rise. It seems

1518
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: like he's starting to get a little bit of that

1519
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: hype like we've spoken about already. Just want to see

1520
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And then I have Mike Vassel

1521
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: at eight just put those three guys together. Who stuff

1522
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: do I like the most. I love Blade Tidwell, then

1523
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: Christian Scott, them Mike Fassel. That's why they went six

1524
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: seven eight. Number nine Jacob Brimer a fan of my

1525
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. When we met him at City Field on

1526
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: the day, he was taking pictures. He comes up tap

1527
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: so he's like draftneck mark and I take a picture

1528
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: like it's not how it's supposed to work. And he's

1529
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: really good. He's a good player. Like he's got such

1530
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: a baby face, it's crazy. He looks like he's about

1531
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, this kid, but he's been playing really

1532
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: well and he's gonna be playing third base.

1533
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: He's a pretty good athlete.

1534
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: And then number ten I went Marco Vargas, just over

1535
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rodriguez, similarly just a little bit more experienced, just

1536
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more polished, at a higher level per se.

1537
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing Marco Vargas is swinging, being like, oh,

1538
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's just going to be able

1539
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: to hit. I don't get I don't know what the

1540
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: power productions ever going to be for a guy like

1541
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: Marco Vargas, but at contact wise seems really really in

1542
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: control at the plate, and to be honest, I think

1543
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: I just need to watch a little bit more Jeremy

1544
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: Rodriguez before I can make a real opinion on him.

1545
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: Like you said, you've been reading a lot of stuff.

1546
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm more of an eye guy, and I haven't seen

1547
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: much of him yet. So for me, I went Vargas

1548
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: just because I've seen a little bit more. But I

1549
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: think the Mets are in a really good spot with

1550
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: their their farm system where there's like I mean, we

1551
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: left off Kevin Parata, who was a first round pick

1552
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago, and a lot of

1553
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: people are I think still high on him. Us not

1554
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: as much, just because we've seen and heard some of

1555
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: the things about him, and it's it's just taken.

1556
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: Him down a notch. Hasn't performed like you had hoped.

1557
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: He did battle some injuries last year, so maybe he

1558
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: needs a healthy season underneath his belt to get better.

1559
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: As someone who didn't make this top ten list on

1560
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: either of ours, but the Mets have a lot of

1561
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: good prospects. This farm system is one of the better

1562
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: farm systems in baseball, which is really really nice. So

1563
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: I know everybody wants to see World Series rings I

1564
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: know everybody wants to see the Mets be the best

1565
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: team possible, but like, this is how you build a

1566
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: sustainably good organization is by having the good farm system,

1567
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: bringing in the good players major league development. And you're

1568
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: starting to see the Mets do that at every single

1569
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: every single level, which is really encouraging.

1570
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, every single level. I think is a

1571
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: big deal too, because we're talking about guys in this

1572
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: list from TRIPLEA down to the DSL. The fact that

1573
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: I think there was a there's a fear right now,

1574
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: not fear, but I think I think the best farm

1575
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: system is top heavy right now, just because of the

1576
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: trades they'd made last year, the deadline, the fact that's

1577
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: like Gilbert Williams of Kunya Clifford all basically in the

1578
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: top five. But the fact that the guy like Grimer

1579
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: last year could be in Saint Lucie and like hit

1580
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: the crap out of the ball. The fact that Rodriguez

1581
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: Vargas also trade deadline guys but who came in immediately

1582
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: like crushed the complex, gonna be in Saint Luci this year,

1583
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: like that is useful. And the fact that we have

1584
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: this just swath of pitchers coming through reay to go,

1585
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: Like apart from this top five prospects, like, the Mets

1586
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: still have a lot of pitchers who could definitely contribute,

1587
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: if not this year then next. We talked about Scott,

1588
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: I mentioned Hamill Vassal like Hamill is a guy who

1589
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: he's like coming into his own, like he's pitching the

1590
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: best he ever has right now. I just I feel

1591
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: sometime again like I shouldn't like it's for ranking and stuff,

1592
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: but like for a late bloomer, it's like I feel

1593
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: like a little bit weirder about sometimes I still feel

1594
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: like I don't know if he's gonna be someone who

1595
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: pitches the major leagues This year still feels like he

1596
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: might be a year away, because I think just Vassal

1597
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: and Scott are ahead of him in terms of readiness.

1598
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: But then you have a guys like Budo we talked

1599
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: about he still considered the prospect who pitch the best,

1600
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: best year we ever saw him, look was last year

1601
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: September Twer's to it. Last year went like a month

1602
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: without giving up a run, Like he's like he could

1603
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: be really a good Who else we got like try

1604
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: They brought in Justin Jarvis from the Brewers who looked

1605
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: decent at times last year. In Triple A. You have

1606
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: Brandon Sprote, who's a guy.

1607
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: That they drafted that they're really high on and hoping

1608
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: to see big things out of in this upcoming season.

1609
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: Some other pictures, I mean, even Nolan MacLean. We've we've

1610
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: heard things about on the Mountain that they has been

1611
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: looking really good. So yeah, this like farm system, like

1612
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 1: you said, it is definitely top heavy. I think there's

1613
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: no there's no doubt about that. But also like I

1614
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd rather be top headed y than bottom heavy,

1615
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 1: I feel like at.

1616
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: This point for sure. And there was one guy we

1617
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: didn't mentioned this list that we definitely used to be

1618
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: high on. I think Mark more so than me. But

1619
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: Alex Ramirez just just had a bad year, Like he

1620
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: probably like he kind of went from being someone who like,

1621
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: oh my god, maybe this guy actually has tools to

1622
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: be a top twenty prospect and now it's like, I

1623
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: really just hope you can get himself back to the

1624
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: top one hundred at some point, but got bad year

1625
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, Like he also looks like he just might

1626
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: A big thing with Ramire is that like he had

1627
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: some power and then he could play center fields. As

1628
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: of last year, I think the center field defense came

1629
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: more into question. Starts to bulk up a little bit,

1630
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: get a little bigger. So it's like he's a huge dude.

1631
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: We saw him at spring training. Whatever his sizes.

1632
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: I think he's listened at what he's lost At six three,

1633
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: one seven, there's like six or five, like two hundred pounds,

1634
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: like looks like a really good NFL receiver, but it

1635
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: like maybe I don't know, prospects developments not linear, like

1636
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: maybe he still has a lot of tools to come

1637
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: up in major league player at some point, but yeah,

1638
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: got some time.

1639
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: He're also just Brooklyn's a tough place to play for

1640
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: these kids, so hard. It's really hard. But now like

1641
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: the Mets do have like a bit of like I

1642
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't call a logjam, but they have a lot of

1643
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 2: guys in double in Triple A they want playing center field,

1644
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: so it's definitely hard for a Mires to get a

1645
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: minute there. So you might have to see something's changing.

1646
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: Like even Jet last year's played center field like once

1647
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: a week because they had Gilbert playing there, and they

1648
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: have if they had a coonya mixing in there, as well,

1649
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: So these are all guys they want to see who

1650
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: can actually be the center fielder. So Ramiro is just

1651
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: kind of lower in line now after those trades, so

1652
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: he's probably could have to stay in Brooklyn if he

1653
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: wants to keep playing center and like get better at it.

1654
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: So to be hard plays to play. It's gonna really

1655
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: test his uh, testamental toughness. But that's my bad thing either.

1656
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And that was one of the most dense

1657
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: episodes we've had in a while. I mean an hour

1658
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: of Mets talk and there wasn't really any filler or

1659
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: nonsense in there. It's nice to be able to talk

1660
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: about some moves and what the Mets team is going

1661
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: to look like. Next week, there's a chance we have

1662
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: Trevor May on. I'm not gonna say it's official yet

1663
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: because it's not one hundred percent confirm, but speaking to him,

1664
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: he's down. So Trevor may will be coming on. If

1665
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: it's not next week, maybe the following week. So that

1666
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: would be awesome to hear him talk about just anything.

1667
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: He's great on the mic and he's obviously a friend

1668
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: of the podcast and James, we got anything else to

1669
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: talk about here or is it time to wrap this

1670
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: one up?

1671
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: I think that's all. I mean, just again, shout out

1672
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: you guys for like being so active with us on

1673
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: social media like Twitter and Instagram right now. Are busting.

1674
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing, especially that we've just been a

1675
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: lot of changes happened to the show in the last month,

1676
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: so it's cool that you guys are responding to everything

1677
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: that we're doing. It's really nice to see and happy

1678
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: that we're still growing. Yep.

1679
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,200
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1680
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1681
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,280
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1682
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1684
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1688
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1689
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: As always, never want to stop. Thank you guys so much.

1690
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Follow James on Twitter at James on the Score, Shiado

1691
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1692
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,480
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1693
01:03:04,560 --> 01:04:03,600
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