WEBVTT - Betrayal Weekly: EP 6 - Ramon

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<v Speaker 1>They take me then it blacked out suv to this

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<v Speaker 1>location where they had already dug out this shallow grave.

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<v Speaker 1>When I get there, they tell me, O care, I

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<v Speaker 1>need you to strip down to your underwear. They showed

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<v Speaker 1>me how to pose on my hands bown beyond my back,

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<v Speaker 1>and I looked like I was a little bit swollen.

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<v Speaker 1>They put more blood on me, and they've been threw

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<v Speaker 1>dirt on me, which I thought it was so degrading

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<v Speaker 1>and close my eyes. The only thing that I could

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<v Speaker 1>remember was the sound of the thirty five millimeter as

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<v Speaker 1>it went around me, just clicking taking pictures of me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning And this is Betrayal, A show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. Ramone's Sosa's story is one of those stranger

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<v Speaker 2>than fiction kind of tales. It's a betrayal that threatens everything,

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<v Speaker 2>including Ramone's life. Ramone grew up in Puerto Rico, the

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<v Speaker 2>only son in a traditional and tight knit family. Ramone

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<v Speaker 2>idolized his father, who was a professional wrestler like the.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind you see on W and WWF, and I used

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<v Speaker 1>to see him on TV all the time in Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 1>He was big, muscular and had this or about him.

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<v Speaker 1>When he walked into the road.

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<v Speaker 2>As a kid, Ramone tagged along with his dad to

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<v Speaker 2>the gym, and it was there where he fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love with what he calls the real thing boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>I started boxing about seven years old Puerto Rico. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my life. School boxing home, school boxing home. That

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<v Speaker 1>was It takes a lot of discipline in boxing if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do it right, and that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>taught me.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of that discipline started to pay off for Ramone.

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<v Speaker 2>He fought in hundreds of amateur matches as a teenager

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<v Speaker 2>and he was winning a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the trainers that worked with me, they

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<v Speaker 1>said that I had a lot of natural talent and

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<v Speaker 1>people started saying, man, you'll be good when you grow up.

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<v Speaker 1>For my size, I hit very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>He's careful to point out that even though he was

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<v Speaker 2>a champion in the ring, he never fought outside of it.

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<v Speaker 2>He felt like it was his responsibility as an athlete

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<v Speaker 2>to maintain a strong sense of right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't fight in the street. Boxing is a skill,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you get in that ring, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>chess match.

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<v Speaker 2>He dreamed of going pro and taking care of his family.

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<v Speaker 2>The Sosis moved from Puerto Rico to Houston, Texas when

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<v Speaker 2>Ramone was a teenager. After sweeping the amateur leagues, Ramone

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<v Speaker 2>went pro.

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<v Speaker 1>My father actually had to sign my contract to turn

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<v Speaker 1>pro because I was under age.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a professional boxer for a few years before

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<v Speaker 2>he eventually settled into a new career coaching and training

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<v Speaker 2>young boxers in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it turned into a business, and you see,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody wants to make money from you, everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of the pie, it was tough. When they

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<v Speaker 1>started getting to me.

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<v Speaker 2>In his early twenties, he fell in love and got married.

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<v Speaker 2>He and his first wife had three kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean praise to all the mothers that stay at

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<v Speaker 1>home with their kids, because you know what, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a tough, tough job. It's a full time job.

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<v Speaker 2>Raising three kids together strained their relationship. They moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Houston to be closer to Ramone's parents. That's where he

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<v Speaker 2>still lives today. But even with his parents' help, Ramone

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<v Speaker 2>and his first wife knew that they weren't a match.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed to separate.

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<v Speaker 1>It did not work out. Even though we couldn't work

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<v Speaker 1>it out, we did the best that we could for

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<v Speaker 1>our kids. And to this day, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>grandkids together, so I respect her, she respects me.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramone missed being a full time dad. With more free

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<v Speaker 2>time on his hands, he decided to start a nonprofit,

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<v Speaker 2>an after school boxing program. We're at risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Youth and I will pick him up after school, taking

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<v Speaker 1>him to the gym. They would get a snack or

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<v Speaker 1>work held in the box, and then we also talked

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<v Speaker 1>about life situations.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved being involved with the community and helping kids

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<v Speaker 2>who needed a positive influence in their lives. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>he met a close friend.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Mundo's your own name. That's the name

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<v Speaker 1>that he went by.

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<v Speaker 2>As a teenager. Mundo had been involved with a gang

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<v Speaker 2>and went to prison. Now that he was out, he

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<v Speaker 2>was turning his life around, looking for a purpose, and

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<v Speaker 2>he always loved boxing. He saw a sign about the

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<v Speaker 2>after school program and he asked Ramon if he could volunteer,

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<v Speaker 2>and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, ah, can I start today? I said start today,

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<v Speaker 1>he said right off the bat, He said, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start today. So he went to his truck,

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<v Speaker 1>got some workout clothes and he went running with my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Mundo kept coming back after day, and Ramone liked how

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<v Speaker 2>he related to the kids. He was honest with them

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<v Speaker 2>about the bad choices he'd made.

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<v Speaker 1>He had all these tattoos with his gang name on

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<v Speaker 1>his back. He never hardly ever took off his shirt

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<v Speaker 1>because he didn't want people to see that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and the kids to see that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I liked about him, that he mentored

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<v Speaker 1>so many kids in the gym to not go through

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing that he went through.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramone and Mundo became close friends. They ran the after

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<v Speaker 2>school program together, and Mundo even started working alongside Ramon

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<v Speaker 2>at his day job training professional boxers.

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<v Speaker 1>He became kind of like my right hand man, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would tell people when he went to the boxing

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<v Speaker 1>tournament and saying shows with me. They had this is

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<v Speaker 1>my other son, you know. It was my third son.

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<v Speaker 1>He became really really close to me. He called me Pops,

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<v Speaker 1>as I was like a father figure to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramone and Mundo worked side by side training professionals and

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<v Speaker 2>then running the after school program. It went on like

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<v Speaker 2>this for years. That was until Mundo got married and

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<v Speaker 2>had a kid of his own, and Ramone moved to

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the city. Eventually, the two slowly

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<v Speaker 2>fell out of touch. Ramone was now seven years out

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<v Speaker 2>from his divorce and he wanted to find someone to

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<v Speaker 2>share his life with. That's when her friend told him

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<v Speaker 2>about a new dance club in Houston.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, you know, he played that SASA with regular

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<v Speaker 1>you know that kind of stuff that you like. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go check it out, and I hear there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of beautiful ladies there too.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Saturday night and a weekend where Ramone

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have his kids, so he decided to go check

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<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was packed, it was going on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and music was kind of music that I liked, and

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<v Speaker 1>the dance floor was pegged. There she was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was mesmerized by this one woman on the dance floor.

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<v Speaker 1>So I kept looking at this leader on the other

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<v Speaker 1>dance way. She danced very very well, and I might

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<v Speaker 1>thinking like, well, she looks Colombian or from the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>the way she's dancing. She was wearing a tight meani

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<v Speaker 1>black dress. It looked like it was painted on her.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful all this kind she had wall black hair. Next

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<v Speaker 1>thing I know, I see her walking towards me and

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<v Speaker 1>I said okay, I'm trying to be cool about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and she steps on my toe. She had high heels

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and there must have been three inch skills

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh my godness, I just went down.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a beer. I just went down. And she

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<v Speaker 1>starts telling me in Spanish, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry, but you okay, And then we tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>All I could do was just look up, stand at

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<v Speaker 1>hand and say we should dance with me, and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I danced with you, and that's where it

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<v Speaker 1>all started.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name was Lulu.

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<v Speaker 1>Her real name is Mariah. They moved this she went

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<v Speaker 1>by Lulu.

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<v Speaker 2>They had an instant connection. After that night on the

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<v Speaker 2>dance floor, Ramon and Lulu started going on dates, and

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<v Speaker 2>she admitted she hadn't stepped on Ramon's by accident.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I did that on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get to know you, and that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a lot in common. She told me that

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<v Speaker 1>she was a divorced mother too, had recently moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Texas or Mexico City for a better life for herself

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<v Speaker 1>at her kids.

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<v Speaker 2>After a few dates, Ramone explained to Lulu that his

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<v Speaker 2>career as a boxing coach was very demanding. It meant

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<v Speaker 2>working late nights and traveling to tournaments on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew it was the kind of schedule that could

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<v Speaker 2>make dating difficult, if not impossible, But it didn't scare

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu off. She was supportive of his career and she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to help him succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>She started going to those tournaments with me, sit there

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time, supporting me, helping me with the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And I liked that about her.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like Ramon, Lulu was a hard worker.

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<v Speaker 1>The way she was making ends meet to try to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of her family was working underground. She would

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<v Speaker 1>clean houses.

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu was determined to become a US citizen. In addition

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<v Speaker 2>to cleaning houses and raising her kids, she went to

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<v Speaker 2>night school to improve her English.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would help her too, you know, talking to

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<v Speaker 1>her in English when I could. She was to just

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<v Speaker 1>talk to more in englishcause I wanted to learn English.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramone was impressed. They both had young kids from their

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<v Speaker 2>previous marriages. After about six months of dating, they started

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<v Speaker 2>getting to know each other's families.

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<v Speaker 1>There was family gatherings on her side. In my side,

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<v Speaker 1>Loudy was always there helping out, cleaning, helping, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the food. She was always very helpful with everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mother in family, they liked her. They saw

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<v Speaker 1>how she treated me, and they saw that I had

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<v Speaker 1>been a lull for seven years now, and they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of saw something in her that, you know, she might

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<v Speaker 1>be the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Having his mother's approval sealed the deal for Ramone one

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<v Speaker 2>night in two thousand and nine, after a year and

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<v Speaker 2>a half together.

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<v Speaker 1>I went on one knee and I proposed to her.

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<v Speaker 1>She said yes, of course, and then she started crying

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<v Speaker 1>and crying, and they said, what's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you okay? And all she kept saying was that

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<v Speaker 1>after all she went through with her ex husband, she

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would ever happen again. And she saw it

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<v Speaker 1>in me that I was a good man, and she

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<v Speaker 1>just couldn't believe that I asked marry her.

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<v Speaker 2>During their engagement, Lulu doated on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. There was times where I would have

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<v Speaker 1>a drink and I wasn't even halfway done and she

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<v Speaker 1>would go give me another one. Guys were like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you find a woman like that? She's beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and she treats you like a king. You know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like make you stick your chest out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too, like, wow, that's my lady, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The couple had a quick engagement. It was a second

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<v Speaker 2>marriage for both of them, so they opted for a

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<v Speaker 2>simple courthouse ceremony with a backyard reception.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at my sister's house. Whattter of fact. She

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to give me that as a present. She had

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<v Speaker 1>a big celebration from my Maryorg. A lot of family

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<v Speaker 1>and friends were there, her family, her mother, and her

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<v Speaker 1>sister and brother in love. They were all there.

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<v Speaker 2>In the middle of the reception, surrounded by family, music

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<v Speaker 2>and food. Something strange happened that Ramone will never forget.

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu's mother approached him and she had a stern look

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<v Speaker 2>on her face.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother walks up to me, and then she just

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<v Speaker 1>whispers in my ear, Now she's your trouble. He walks away.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, wow, that's the first red flag was out

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<v Speaker 1>there right at our wedding night.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and nine, Ramone Sosa was newly married

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<v Speaker 2>to his second wife, Lulu. She was hard working, portive

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<v Speaker 2>of his career, and she went above and beyond to

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<v Speaker 2>make him happy. Instead of a honeymoon. Lulu wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>take a more practical approach. She wanted to invest in

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a citizen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she wanted, and it's also okay, well that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you wanted. I was happy for her because she

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<v Speaker 1>was just tired of cleaning houses and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get a regular job and be here legally.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a mountain of paperwork, the first big hurdle

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<v Speaker 2>the couple faced together.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that cheap? And we did it. We went

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<v Speaker 1>over there to the immigration attorney and I signed all

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<v Speaker 1>the papers. Seemed like it was like about three hundred pages.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of responsibility that you take when you

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor a person to be in this country legally.

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<v Speaker 2>With Lulu's immigration paperwork underway, they started their new life together.

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<v Speaker 1>The first years of our marriage, what you call the

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<v Speaker 1>honeymoon years, were wonderful. I was still very involved in boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my nonprofit. She supported that also. She cared

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about me. She cared that I was a

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<v Speaker 1>father figure to her son and her daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Early on in their marriage, Ramone told Lulu about his

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<v Speaker 2>career dreams. He wanted to open his own boxing gym

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston, a place where he could coach and train

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<v Speaker 2>the city's best boxers. But he knew this dream was

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<v Speaker 2>a few years away. He didn't have the money for

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<v Speaker 2>all the upfront costs.

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<v Speaker 1>I told her how much he was going to cost,

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, I can get that for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu was determined to help Ramone's dream come true.

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<v Speaker 1>She was borrowing money for family and also she maxed

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<v Speaker 1>out all these credit cards as she had, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we were able to open up our first gym

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<v Speaker 1>and buy all the equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>The plan was dubious, but it worked and he was

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<v Speaker 2>grateful for it. The Jim quickly became a full time

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<v Speaker 2>job for both Ramone and Lulu. He did the head

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<v Speaker 2>coaching and training and she handled the business side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>She told me that back in Mexico City, she used

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<v Speaker 1>to work for Ford and she was an executive secretary

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<v Speaker 1>and she knew how to keep the books and she

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<v Speaker 1>was good at it. So I was very happy that

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<v Speaker 1>I had somebody that because I mean, I'm not good

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<v Speaker 1>at that part. I'm good at training people. I'm good

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<v Speaker 1>at teaching.

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<v Speaker 2>Him how to fight a box Andy was his gym,

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<v Speaker 2>became d plays for leap boxers to sharpen their skills,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was growing quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>The business took off. It took off, and it took

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<v Speaker 1>off quick. My day started at four in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I was till night in the evening, working Saturdays too,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean I was literally exhausted every day. But

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<v Speaker 1>that surprised. You pay when you own a business.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a year, he had already paid Lulu back and

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<v Speaker 2>they were starting to make real money.

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<v Speaker 1>I just kept saying to myself, like, wow, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted. I mean, I didn't become a world champion,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't go to the Olympics, but still doing something

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<v Speaker 1>with boxing. And at the same time, I'm making money

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<v Speaker 1>and we were financially doing very very well. We were

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where we under the buy a big house, cars, vacations,

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<v Speaker 1>so everything was good and to me, life was good.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, Ramone got an unexpected visitor at the gym,

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<v Speaker 2>his old friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Mundo, and I was like Undo, and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>we picked up right where we had left off.

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<v Speaker 2>Mundo asked to come work with Ramon again, but Lulu

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't so sure about him. She didn't like his luck

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<v Speaker 2>or his criminal background.

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<v Speaker 1>She told me I don't know about having somebody like

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<v Speaker 1>that around our business. You know, she saw the tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had to be honest with her that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>told his background home, everything that happened to him. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he had been released from prison back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day being shot at gang member. But he cleaned

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<v Speaker 1>his life. He wanted to live with different life. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when Munda started coming around helping me and helping

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<v Speaker 1>with the gym and helping the weekends so we could

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<v Speaker 1>have days off. When she saw the benefits in him,

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<v Speaker 1>then she said, okay, well we can use them.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mundo started working nights and weekends at the gym.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a relief. The Sosos really needed the help.

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<v Speaker 2>They were beginning to struggle at home with the pressure

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<v Speaker 2>of parenting and managing their business.

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<v Speaker 1>So at home, racing the family was getting difficult, and

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu would take the issues that she had with her

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<v Speaker 1>kids out on me. So, yeah, the family dynamic we

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<v Speaker 1>were seeing cracks.

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<v Speaker 2>After the first three years of marriage, Ramone started noticing

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<v Speaker 2>that Lulu was changing too. She was becoming more demanding.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't want my kids to come around, she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want my family. Even my family started coming to my

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<v Speaker 1>house because they saw how she changed, how she was

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<v Speaker 1>in the same person, the very nice lady that they

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<v Speaker 1>had met when I first met her.

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu was getting controlling about how Ramone spent money, while

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<v Speaker 2>she was spending more than ever.

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<v Speaker 1>She would go shopping and come back from the ball

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<v Speaker 1>with all these bags. I said, what are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramone's concern was amplified when he discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>I started noticing that the books were not adding up

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<v Speaker 1>to the number of people members we had in the gym.

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<v Speaker 1>And every time I will bring up that situation, I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on here? This is not adding up the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line, and she would always say, I don't worry

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was upsetting, so we hired someone else to

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<v Speaker 2>take over the books. One night, Ramone came home from

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<v Speaker 2>the gym to find that Lulu was hosting a party

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<v Speaker 2>at the house, a party he hadn't heard about. There

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<v Speaker 2>were balloons and a cake. Lulu's entire family.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there, and I can tell that she had been

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<v Speaker 1>drinking because she was just learned a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 1>she had a bottle of wine in one hand and

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of the other and she said, say hello

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<v Speaker 1>to your new American wife, and I'm like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu had applied for citizenship and she was approved. Earlier

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<v Speaker 2>that day, she'd gone to her naturalization ceremony and officially

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<v Speaker 2>became a US citizen, but she hadn't mentioned it to Ramone,

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<v Speaker 2>her husband and the sponsor of her visa.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, wait a second. You're here legally in

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<v Speaker 1>this country because of me. Your kids are here legally

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<v Speaker 1>because of me, and you don't have the respect to

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<v Speaker 1>ask me like you want to go to the celebration.

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<v Speaker 1>It got to the poor where I asked her, point black,

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<v Speaker 1>did you marry me just to be here legally with

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<v Speaker 1>your family, the money, the American lifestyle. She came back with,

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<v Speaker 1>look at me, I'm beautiful, look at my up body.

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<v Speaker 1>I can get anybody I want, and men that have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more money than you, But no, I chose you.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be with Pele, and I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to believe her, but he was still disturbed

0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.639
<v Speaker 2>by her choices, not to mention her controlling behavior, not

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<v Speaker 2>wanting his kids around her, spending, the discrepancies in the books,

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<v Speaker 2>and now she hadn't even invited him to her citizenship ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, now this is that cool? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>The way his marriage is going, Ramon pulled away emotionally

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<v Speaker 2>and physically. He knew something was wrong, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>too busy with his gym to take immediate action and

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<v Speaker 2>file for divorce. In the meantime, the couple started sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>in separate bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still married but living separate lives, basically in the

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<v Speaker 1>same house.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't expect Blue Lu to be the one to

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<v Speaker 2>file for divorce, but one day she came to him

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<v Speaker 2>with the papers and she had a bold request. She

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to keep the house and the business.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, no, no, I don't think so, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go half. Everything is gonna split down

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<v Speaker 1>the middle. You go your way, I go my way.

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<v Speaker 1>But all the money and time that I have invested

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<v Speaker 1>in this marriage and everything that we have, no, I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my house. So I told her we can

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<v Speaker 1>work it out, or we can go to court. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I got my attorney and we'll fight it out.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been through a divorce before, and although the

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<v Speaker 2>first one was difficult, it had been fair and respectful.

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<v Speaker 2>But this divorce was about to take a devastating turn.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I was driving, Mundo calls me.

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<v Speaker 2>Mundo explained that the night before he'd been closing the

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<v Speaker 2>gym when he overheard Lulu talking about hiring a hit man.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Mundo being funny and when we joke

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<v Speaker 1>around before all the time. I said, Mundo, you know

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<v Speaker 1>we're joking around. Man, you know what we're going through.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not cool to be joking like that. He said, nah, nah, no, Pops.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that look in people's eyes when they want

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<v Speaker 1>to kill somebody, and she has that look.

0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Munjo approached Lulu to ask about what he overheard.

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<v Speaker 1>And he walked up to her and I said, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys used to be careful what you're saying because you

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<v Speaker 1>never know who's listening. And he said, are you guys

0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about remote and said yeah. Mingo said, do you

0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 1>want him gone? And you want to disappear? And Mundo

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<v Speaker 1>did the pistol sign with his hand and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you want him gone like this like you know when

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:45.639
<v Speaker 1>she said yeah, I'm tired of him. I wish she

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<v Speaker 1>was going to disappear. Yeah like that. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>him going out of my life. And Mungo said, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what you know, I got some people that

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<v Speaker 1>can do the job for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Mundo told Lulu he could help, that he knew someone

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<v Speaker 2>who could do the hit. Instead of calling up a connection,

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<v Speaker 2>he went straight to his good friend Ramone.

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<v Speaker 1>I was upset. I was so upset. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>had to pull over. I had so much rage. I

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what to do. That was like, man, what

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<v Speaker 1>I do? So I called the police? So he said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he is to do. I talked to her and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to start meeting with her and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>record everything or a foe and see how far she's

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<v Speaker 1>willing to go. And then I want I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to do is take all these recordings to the police

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<v Speaker 1>and see what they wanted to do.

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 2>Ramone was skeptical that this plan would work, and taking

0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Mundo at his word meant Lulu was dangerous. So right

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 2>after that phone call, he decided to go to the police.

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 1>And I told him the situation, what happened, and he

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.199
<v Speaker 1>responded with, you know what, you guys are going through

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a divorce. Women and men sometimes say things when they're upset,

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>even that they want to kill their wives or their husbands.

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's just just saying it out of anger. There's

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<v Speaker 1>really not a lot of evidence to do anything with that.

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.640
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't sure if Mundo's plan to use secret recordings

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.199
<v Speaker 2>would be admissible or even legal. It sounded kind of

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.360
<v Speaker 2>like entrapment, so he asked the detectives about it.

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I told Black Woo, does say look, And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys keep getting more evidence, and I said, okay,

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>apparently that is legal. So that's what we did.

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<v Speaker 2>So they moved forward with the plan. Mundo would meet

0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 2>with Lulu in private places like cars to see if

0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 2>she was actually serious about hiring a hitman, and all

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>the while he was secretly recording on his phone. For

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<v Speaker 2>this to work, she'd have to believe that Mundo was

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>in one hundred percent. But why would she trust Mundo,

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>one of Ramone's best friends. Ramone has a simple answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu's so desperate in everything that's going on the voice

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I going her way. Her life is slowly crumbling.

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<v Speaker 2>The most difficult part of their plan was that Ramon

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 2>would have to play dumb and spend a few more

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 2>days sleeping under the same roof as Lulu, pretending that

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know what she was planning. Ramone remembers turning

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>into his driveway that day, something he'd done a thousand

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 2>times before, and he always felt comfort and relief when

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:56.120
<v Speaker 2>he got home, But now it was all so eerie.

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 2>His house a would be crime scene and him an

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>unsuspecting murder victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though we're sleeping in separate rules. I had to

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>go home and see this lady and look at this lady,

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>knowing that she wanted to have me kill.

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 2>He barely said a word to her that night. He

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 2>locked his bedroom door. He tried to sleep, but he

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>was wide awake with thoughts racing. People say things they

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>don't mean during a divorce all the time. Could she

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>just be fuming or could she actually go through with it?

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>The next day, Ramon got his answer. It turns out

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Lulu was in a hurry. She wanted to take Mundo

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>up on his offer right away.

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Lulu wanted me dead before divorce was finalized, because she

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>said to Mundo, look, if he dies after our divorce

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>is finalized, my kids get everything. But if he died

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>before that the vorce is finalized, she gets everything. And

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the wars was going to be finalized about a what

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>so she wanted me dead as soon as possible.

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Ramone had spent seven years with Lulu. For most of

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that time, he genuinely adored her. He wanted to give

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 2>her that second chance at a loving partnership, and he

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>dreamed of seeing her succeed alongside of him. Instead, she

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>was throwing it all away, and Ramone heard everything captured

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>on tape.

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I could believe what I was hearing from Lulu. She's

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>telling Woundo how she's practicing, how she's going to cry

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>when the police calls her after they kill me, and

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>she's literally making cry and sounds, and she starts laughing

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>after that.

0:26:56.080 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 2>In one of the first recorded conversations, Lulu dropped a bull.

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Lulu was planning to have me kill two years prior

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to our divorce. I was like what, and Wundo said, yeah,

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 1>have it on one of the recordings, and I listened

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>to it, and I said, I can't believe what I'm

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>listening to.

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Two years earlier, they'd taken a family vacation to Mexico City.

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Ramone thought their relationship was in a good place, and

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>she was so.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Happy to show me Mexico City and go to the Pyramids.

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>She had a whole tenerary for everything, we were supposed

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to do in Mexico City.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 2>She told Mundo that she was planning to kill Ramon

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>on that trip. Lulu wanted his savings, his business, and

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 2>his life insurance. She was conspiring to commit the crime

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>with a friend back in Mexico and the plan.

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Was, Yeah, bring him over here. We'll disappear. People disappear

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>here all the time. What we can do is have

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>you guys held for ransom and then they're going to

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>let you go, and then we're going to disappear him.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>And then Mundo asked Lulu, and so how come you

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't go through with it? And Lulu said, well, I

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the heart to do it. Then, well, now

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>This chilled him to the bone. He didn't recognize this woman.

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 2>He never heard his wife speak like this before, the

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 2>coldness in her voice, her laughter.

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>It never crossed my mind that lou had this whole

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>blooded heart through our good times in our marriage. I

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>never would have ever thought in a million years this

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>person had that kind of mind to do this kind

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>of stuff.

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>He became genuinely terrified for his life. Ramon left the

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>house and stayed with his parents, who lived across town.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, Mundo asked Lulu if she wanted him

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>to reach out to one of his guys if she

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 2>was ready, and she said she was, so Mundo called

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>his contacts.

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>He called one of them John Boy in the other

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>one Paco.

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>If those sound like characters from a crummy action movie,

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 2>it's because they are.

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Told me that he saw blood and blood out and

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>those are those two characters right from that movie.

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>But Lulu bought it. So Mundo texted Paco, who was

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>actually Ramone using a burner phone.

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Then I said, well, Mundo, I'm not a street guy,

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>so he's already teaching me how to talk or text

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>in that gang Lingo to pass as the criminal. Basically,

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>he's meeting with Lulu and the person that do I

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>text Moonlet's say, hey, the boss lead ready to do this.

0:29:58.160 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>We need two hundred dollars for the toy.

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Mundo explained that the hit would cost twelve thousand dollars,

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>but the guys would need two hundred dollars up front

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:08.479
<v Speaker 2>for the gun.

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>She went to our bank. We still had count together.

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>She went to our account, got the two hundred dollars

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>out of our sables, which is basically my money too

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and gives Mundo two hundred dollars.

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>As soon as the money changed hands, they had enough

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 2>to go to the police. The moment was both a

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 2>relief and a horrible betrayal, and with this evidence, the

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 2>police were finally ready to move on Ramon's case. They

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>took it very seriously.

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>They had to get all these different agencies together and

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>come up with the plant Safe Troopers they share with

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the part with FBI. They got real quick.

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement wanted to collect evidence of their own. They

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>decided to see if Lulu would make a down payment

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 2>for the hit and if she would exchange the money

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>with one of these fictitions, hitman in person.

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>The state police brought their undercover police officer to play

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it as one of the hitman's to start meeting with

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Lulu in person. I mean, this guy, if he saw

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>her in the street, he thought that he was really

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a gang member hit man. You know. He pit everything

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>to the tee. He had all the tags, he knew

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>how to talk, He had a mean look like that.

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>You will be scared of him.

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Lulu met him in a car, which of course was

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 2>an undercover police car full of cameras. She said she

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't have the cash to pay him just yet.

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>But she brought my own jewelry as a down payment

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>for my own murder bracelets, watches just so stiff that

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I had left behind at the house, and she gave

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that to him as a down payment. And then she

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>also had the nerve to tell look and he also

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>wears this really nice watch and if he has it on,

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you can keep that too, because it's worth something. And

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>then after he dies, I'll give you the rest of

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the money. And he said, okay, we're going to take

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>care of business now.

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>That night, the police asked Ramon to come to the

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>station right away.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>And I said, what about mungdo he's not coming? Said no,

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>we just need to talk to you. When I arrived

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>at the station, go to a special room that we

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>always met. And when I get in and I started noticing, like,

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>wait a second, there's a lot more people in this

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 1>room than before. The FBI guy was there, at the

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>state Police detective, the DA or assistant DA was there,

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>so it was a packed room. And they start telling me.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>You say, okay, Ramonea, we feel that we have enough

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>evidence to rest Lulu right now. But here's the deal.

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>You guys own a business here locally, she's a mother,

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>she's never been in trouble, and we need to make

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>this slammed on the case. And I'm afraid that if

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 1>we go to a jury trial, we might have one

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of the jurists true slight for her. And you just

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>want to make sure it's a slam dunk case. So

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>we have decided to stage your death and show her

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>your picture and then recorded.

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>It sounded over the top. He'd never heard anything like it,

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and to be honest, neither have I. The police told

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Ramon that they need him for three days, so he

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>quickly went home and packed a bag. He was advised

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 2>not to tell anyone where he was going that Mundo,

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 2>not his parents, not his kids. He returned to the

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>police station the next morning and was surprised when the

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>police started doing special effects makeup to make it look

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 2>like he'd been shot in the head. The police even

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>had a reference image, a photo of a real murder

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>victim whose body had been dumped in the desert.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>They take me in a blacked out SUV to this

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>location where they had already dug out this shallow grave.

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And when I get there, the detective tells me, okay,

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>meet you to strip down to your underwear. They showed

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>me how to pose on my hands bound behind my back,

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and it looked like I was a little bit swollen.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>They put more blood on me, and they even threw

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>dirt on me, which I thought it was so degrading,

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and closed my eyes and the only thing that I

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>could remember the most from that scene was the sound

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>of the thirty five millimeter as it went around me,

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>just clicking taking pictures of me. And then the detectives

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>health give me the shows oun we're done here to

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>close on and they took me away to a hotel.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>He sat in the hotel room for two days, not

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.240
<v Speaker 2>able to contact anyone, just waiting for the to arrest Lulu.

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't sleep. All I did was paced back and forth,

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.959
<v Speaker 1>thinking about all the different situations. What if it doesn't happen,

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>whether she doesn't fall for it, What are my kids

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna think when they see my parents? Everybody, I mean all,

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so many things going through my head.

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, back in Houston, the.

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Undercover police officer was in the car with Lulu and

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>he shows Lulu the picture of me in the shallow grave.

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 1>So next thing she does, she starts racing up her

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>hands up like racing the roof, like she's laughing, like yeah,

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>about to get paid. I hit the battle and then

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>walks out of the car, closes the door, no idea whatsoever.

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>The whole time she was starting to an undercover police officer.

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Lulu was arrested right there for soliciaation a first degree

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>capital murder. After the arrest was made, the police called

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Ramone's hotel room to let him know.

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I literally sat on the edge of that bed and

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>tears started coming down. Tears of anger, tears of sadness.

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Not because I was still in love with this person,

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>but she didn't think about me being a son, me

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>being a father, you know, a friend, a brother, all

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>those she didn't think of. I know of that, and

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>you're taking me away from my kids, my mother, and

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>my father. That hurt me a lot.

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Ramone says the worst part of this entire betrayal was

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>what happened next. He hadn't been able to talk to

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>his family for three days and explain where he was

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>going or what was going on. He's the kind of

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 2>son who called his mom nearly every day. He knew

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>she'd be panicked, so as soon as he could, he

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>dialed his parents' house.

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 1>My father asks the phone, and my dad never asks,

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>is a phone? My dad is not a phone person.

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 1>It's just we'll stroll yet. And I can hear the

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>cracking in his voice. In the background, I hear my

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>mother screaming and cry and kind of cry. You hear

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>funerals when somebody passes.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.760
<v Speaker 2>His parents had just heard the news of Lulu's arrest,

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.240
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't know it was a setup. The only

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 2>thing they knew was that they hadn't heard from Ramone

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 2>and that his wife had just been arrested for soliciting

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 2>his murder.

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And I try to drive as fast as possible, trying

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>to get to her. And when I get there, my

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>dad opens the door. In my dad's eyes were bloodshot.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen my dad cry ever. He just hugged

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 1>me and I went straight to my mother. She was

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>there on the couches. She can't catch your bread then,

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and she's crying. I said, mom, come fam okay. I mean,

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, you know. I tried to explain to her

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that was gonna be okay, but she still couldn't catch

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a bread. She was basically hyper ventilating, you know, because

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>she was so anxious.

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>This is the moment that still haunts Ramone seeing his

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 2>own mom grieve his death. It's something few people ever

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>see and it's extremely difficult to process.

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm their only son, and never forget that

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be the picture that always be able. My

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 1>was my dad hold Mama's hand, telling her it's gonna

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>be okay.

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Even though Lulu was being held on a million dollar bail,

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Ramon couldn't shake this fear that she'd somehow find him.

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know Flulu had a plan B or C.

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So I was sleeping with a loaded shotgun next to

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<v Speaker 1>my bed. Then I had another loaded gun on the

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<v Speaker 1>counter of my kitchen, which was a forty milimeter that

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<v Speaker 1>I had a nine millimeter loaded in my vehicle at

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<v Speaker 1>all times, ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>In the year following Lulu's arrest, he didn't leave the

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<v Speaker 2>house unless he had to. Over time, all of that

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<v Speaker 2>fear turned to anger.

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<v Speaker 1>I had so much bottled up anger inside of me,

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<v Speaker 1>my family, my kids, and my mother. All that anger

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<v Speaker 1>I had it bottled up inside of me. Anybody that

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<v Speaker 1>has gone through something so traumatic like I went through,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't live with that much anger. I couldn't continue

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<v Speaker 1>to live the way I was living with that anger

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<v Speaker 1>with loaded guns around me all the time. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a ticking bomb Britaus. I was afraid of myself.

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<v Speaker 2>After fifteen months in jail, Lulu pleaded down to second

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<v Speaker 2>degree solicitation of capital murder. Ramon channeled his anger into

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<v Speaker 2>writing a victim impact statement to deliver at her sentencing hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was going to let her have it

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<v Speaker 1>verbally of all the pain and anger that she had

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<v Speaker 1>cost me in my family. When they let me talk,

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<v Speaker 1>it was packed. A lot of people were there from

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<v Speaker 1>the press. I get up. I took a deep breath.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgave this lady.

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<v Speaker 2>This was about him. It wasn't about making Lulu feel

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<v Speaker 2>better or letting her off the hook. It was about

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<v Speaker 2>making this moment into a ceremony for himself, a ceremony

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<v Speaker 2>to release all the anger he'd been carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>And once I did that, it was as if all

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<v Speaker 1>that anger was gone, really like all that air out

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<v Speaker 1>of the bulow and I was able to breathe, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just life was beginning to be more normal. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu was sentenced to twenty years, but ended up serving

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<v Speaker 2>eight and a half. She was released in November of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, and she'll serve another twelve years on parole.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on the very very street rules with the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>State Parole Board. She misses up, she's going right back in.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramon decided to move on from the spaces they shared,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant selling the house and the gym.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just way too many memories. I just need

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<v Speaker 1>to move on.

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<v Speaker 2>As for Mundo, they're still friends today. He doesn't think

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<v Speaker 2>about Lulu every day like he used to. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>part because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean love again. Yes, yes, it's just been wonderful to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Just Puerto Rican too. I say that because we have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of common because of our cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramon is determined to turn his betrayal into a positive force.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote a memoir about his experience. It's called I

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<v Speaker 2>Walked on my Own Grave, and he wants to tell

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<v Speaker 2>his story on stage as a one man play.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not an actor, I'm not a professional speaker. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you speak from the heart, it means something, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd like to do that. Tell my story

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<v Speaker 1>on stage, the real deal. Everything that haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of his healing process has been understanding that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a term for what Lulu did to him, the terror

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<v Speaker 2>he lived with for years afterwards. It's domestic abuse. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though his story has so many twists and turns, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it boils down to. His own spouse tried to

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<v Speaker 2>have him killed. As you know, we end all of

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<v Speaker 2>our weekly episodes with the same question, why did you

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<v Speaker 2>want to tell your story?

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<v Speaker 1>My hope is that my story helps men and women

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<v Speaker 1>that are caught in difficult situations in their marriage. And

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I go through what I went through because I was

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<v Speaker 1>a victim of the Messican bees, and it's hard for

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<v Speaker 1>people to understand that what I say. And you're a

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<v Speaker 1>boxer and you're this, and you're that. So I ad advocate,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for men that are victims of the Messican

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<v Speaker 1>bees to never give up get help. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>like women, men should be getting the same type of help.

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 3>Who wants to file a police report against their father?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't want to put my dad in jail.

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<v Speaker 3>I really didn't like I didn't want to be the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of person who did that.

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