1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: They take me then it blacked out suv to this 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: location where they had already dug out this shallow grave. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: When I get there, they tell me, O care, I 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: need you to strip down to your underwear. They showed 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: me how to pose on my hands bown beyond my back, 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: and I looked like I was a little bit swollen. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: They put more blood on me, and they've been threw 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: dirt on me, which I thought it was so degrading 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: and close my eyes. The only thing that I could 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: remember was the sound of the thirty five millimeter as 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: it went around me, just clicking taking pictures of me. 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning And this is Betrayal, A show about 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: change everything. Ramone's Sosa's story is one of those stranger 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: than fiction kind of tales. It's a betrayal that threatens everything, 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: including Ramone's life. Ramone grew up in Puerto Rico, the 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: only son in a traditional and tight knit family. Ramone 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: idolized his father, who was a professional wrestler like the. 19 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Kind you see on W and WWF, and I used 20 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: to see him on TV all the time in Puerto Rico. 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: He was big, muscular and had this or about him. 22 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: When he walked into the road. 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: As a kid, Ramone tagged along with his dad to 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: the gym, and it was there where he fell in 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: love with what he calls the real thing boxing. 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I started boxing about seven years old Puerto Rico. That 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: was my life. School boxing home, school boxing home. That 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: was It takes a lot of discipline in boxing if 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: you want to do it right, and that's what it 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: taught me. 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: And all of that discipline started to pay off for Ramone. 32 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: He fought in hundreds of amateur matches as a teenager 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: and he was winning a lot. 34 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: A lot of the trainers that worked with me, they 35 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: said that I had a lot of natural talent and 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: people started saying, man, you'll be good when you grow up. 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: For my size, I hit very hard. 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: He's careful to point out that even though he was 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: a champion in the ring, he never fought outside of it. 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: He felt like it was his responsibility as an athlete 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: to maintain a strong sense of right and wrong. 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I don't fight in the street. Boxing is a skill, 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: and when you get in that ring, it's like a 44 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: chess match. 45 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: He dreamed of going pro and taking care of his family. 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: The Sosis moved from Puerto Rico to Houston, Texas when 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: Ramone was a teenager. After sweeping the amateur leagues, Ramone 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: went pro. 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: My father actually had to sign my contract to turn 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: pro because I was under age. 51 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: He was a professional boxer for a few years before 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: he eventually settled into a new career coaching and training 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: young boxers in the US. 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: But when it turned into a business, and you see, 55 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: like everybody wants to make money from you, everybody wants 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: a piece of the pie, it was tough. When they 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: started getting to me. 58 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: In his early twenties, he fell in love and got married. 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: He and his first wife had three kids. 60 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean praise to all the mothers that stay at 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: home with their kids, because you know what, that is 62 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: a tough, tough job. It's a full time job. 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Raising three kids together strained their relationship. They moved to 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: Houston to be closer to Ramone's parents. That's where he 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: still lives today. But even with his parents' help, Ramone 66 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: and his first wife knew that they weren't a match. 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: They needed to separate. 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: It did not work out. Even though we couldn't work 69 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: it out, we did the best that we could for 70 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: our kids. And to this day, you know, we have 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: grandkids together, so I respect her, she respects me. 72 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: Ramone missed being a full time dad. With more free 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: time on his hands, he decided to start a nonprofit, 74 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: an after school boxing program. We're at risk. 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Youth and I will pick him up after school, taking 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: him to the gym. They would get a snack or 77 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: work held in the box, and then we also talked 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: about life situations. 79 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: He loved being involved with the community and helping kids 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: who needed a positive influence in their lives. That's how 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: he met a close friend. 82 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: His name is Mundo's your own name. That's the name 83 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: that he went by. 84 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: As a teenager. Mundo had been involved with a gang 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: and went to prison. Now that he was out, he 86 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: was turning his life around, looking for a purpose, and 87 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: he always loved boxing. He saw a sign about the 88 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: after school program and he asked Ramon if he could volunteer, 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: and he. 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: Said, ah, can I start today? I said start today, 91 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: he said right off the bat, He said, yeah, I 92 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: want to start today. So he went to his truck, 93 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: got some workout clothes and he went running with my kids. 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: Mundo kept coming back after day, and Ramone liked how 95 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: he related to the kids. He was honest with them 96 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 2: about the bad choices he'd made. 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: He had all these tattoos with his gang name on 98 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: his back. He never hardly ever took off his shirt 99 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: because he didn't want people to see that kind of 100 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: stuff and the kids to see that kind of stuff. 101 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: And that's what I liked about him, that he mentored 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: so many kids in the gym to not go through 103 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: the same thing that he went through. 104 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: Ramone and Mundo became close friends. They ran the after 105 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: school program together, and Mundo even started working alongside Ramon 106 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: at his day job training professional boxers. 107 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: He became kind of like my right hand man, and 108 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: I would tell people when he went to the boxing 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: tournament and saying shows with me. They had this is 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 1: my other son, you know. It was my third son. 111 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: He became really really close to me. He called me Pops, 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: as I was like a father figure to him. 113 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: Ramone and Mundo worked side by side training professionals and 114 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: then running the after school program. It went on like 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: this for years. That was until Mundo got married and 116 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: had a kid of his own, and Ramone moved to 117 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: the other side of the city. Eventually, the two slowly 118 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: fell out of touch. Ramone was now seven years out 119 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: from his divorce and he wanted to find someone to 120 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: share his life with. That's when her friend told him 121 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: about a new dance club in Houston. 122 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: He goes, you know, he played that SASA with regular 123 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff that you like. I 124 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: want to go check it out, and I hear there's 125 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of beautiful ladies there too. 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: It was a Saturday night and a weekend where Ramone 127 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: didn't have his kids, so he decided to go check 128 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: it out. 129 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean it was packed, it was going on, you know, 130 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: and music was kind of music that I liked, and 131 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: the dance floor was pegged. There she was. 132 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: He was mesmerized by this one woman on the dance floor. 133 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: So I kept looking at this leader on the other 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: dance way. She danced very very well, and I might 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: thinking like, well, she looks Colombian or from the Caribbean 136 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: the way she's dancing. She was wearing a tight meani 137 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: black dress. It looked like it was painted on her. 138 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Beautiful all this kind she had wall black hair. Next 139 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: thing I know, I see her walking towards me and 140 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: I said okay, I'm trying to be cool about it, 141 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: and she steps on my toe. She had high heels 142 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: on it, and there must have been three inch skills 143 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my godness, I just went down. 144 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: I had a beer. I just went down. And she 145 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: starts telling me in Spanish, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. 146 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but you okay, And then we tell you. 147 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: All I could do was just look up, stand at 148 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: hand and say we should dance with me, and she said, 149 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: of course, I danced with you, and that's where it 150 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: all started. 151 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: Her name was Lulu. 152 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: Her real name is Mariah. They moved this she went 153 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: by Lulu. 154 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: They had an instant connection. After that night on the 155 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: dance floor, Ramon and Lulu started going on dates, and 156 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: she admitted she hadn't stepped on Ramon's by accident. 157 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I did that on purpose. 158 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: I wanted to get to know you, and that's exactly 159 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: what they did. 160 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: We had a lot in common. She told me that 161 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: she was a divorced mother too, had recently moved to 162 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Texas or Mexico City for a better life for herself 163 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: at her kids. 164 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: After a few dates, Ramone explained to Lulu that his 165 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: career as a boxing coach was very demanding. It meant 166 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: working late nights and traveling to tournaments on the weekends. 167 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: He knew it was the kind of schedule that could 168 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: make dating difficult, if not impossible, But it didn't scare 169 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Lulu off. She was supportive of his career and she 170 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: wanted to help him succeed. 171 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: She started going to those tournaments with me, sit there 172 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: the whole time, supporting me, helping me with the kids. 173 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: And I liked that about her. 174 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: Just like Ramon, Lulu was a hard worker. 175 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: The way she was making ends meet to try to 176 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: take care of her family was working underground. She would 177 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: clean houses. 178 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: Lulu was determined to become a US citizen. In addition 179 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: to cleaning houses and raising her kids, she went to 180 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: night school to improve her English. 181 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: And I would help her too, you know, talking to 182 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: her in English when I could. She was to just 183 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: talk to more in englishcause I wanted to learn English. 184 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: Ramone was impressed. They both had young kids from their 185 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: previous marriages. After about six months of dating, they started 186 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: getting to know each other's families. 187 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: There was family gatherings on her side. In my side, 188 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: Loudy was always there helping out, cleaning, helping, you know, 189 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: with the food. She was always very helpful with everybody, 190 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: and my mother in family, they liked her. They saw 191 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: how she treated me, and they saw that I had 192 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: been a lull for seven years now, and they kind 193 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: of saw something in her that, you know, she might 194 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: be the one. 195 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: Having his mother's approval sealed the deal for Ramone one 196 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: night in two thousand and nine, after a year and 197 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: a half together. 198 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: I went on one knee and I proposed to her. 199 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: She said yes, of course, and then she started crying 200 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: and crying, and they said, what's going on with you? 201 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Are you okay? And all she kept saying was that 202 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: after all she went through with her ex husband, she 203 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: thought it would ever happen again. And she saw it 204 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: in me that I was a good man, and she 205 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: just couldn't believe that I asked marry her. 206 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: During their engagement, Lulu doated on him. 207 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. There was times where I would have 208 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: a drink and I wasn't even halfway done and she 209 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: would go give me another one. Guys were like, man, 210 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: how do you find a woman like that? She's beautiful 211 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: and she treats you like a king. You know, kind 212 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: of like make you stick your chest out a little 213 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: bit too, like, wow, that's my lady, you know that 214 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. 215 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: The couple had a quick engagement. It was a second 216 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: marriage for both of them, so they opted for a 217 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: simple courthouse ceremony with a backyard reception. 218 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: It was at my sister's house. Whattter of fact. She 219 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: wanted to give me that as a present. She had 220 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: a big celebration from my Maryorg. A lot of family 221 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: and friends were there, her family, her mother, and her 222 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: sister and brother in love. They were all there. 223 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: In the middle of the reception, surrounded by family, music 224 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: and food. Something strange happened that Ramone will never forget. 225 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: Lulu's mother approached him and she had a stern look 226 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: on her face. 227 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: Her mother walks up to me, and then she just 228 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: whispers in my ear, Now she's your trouble. He walks away. 229 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, that's the first red flag was out 230 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: there right at our wedding night. 231 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine, Ramone Sosa was newly married 232 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: to his second wife, Lulu. She was hard working, portive 233 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: of his career, and she went above and beyond to 234 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: make him happy. Instead of a honeymoon. Lulu wanted to 235 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: take a more practical approach. She wanted to invest in 236 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: becoming a citizen. 237 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: That's what she wanted, and it's also okay, well that's 238 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: what you wanted. I was happy for her because she 239 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: was just tired of cleaning houses and you want to 240 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: get a regular job and be here legally. 241 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: It was a mountain of paperwork, the first big hurdle 242 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: the couple faced together. 243 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: And is that cheap? And we did it. We went 244 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: over there to the immigration attorney and I signed all 245 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: the papers. Seemed like it was like about three hundred pages. 246 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: That's a lot of responsibility that you take when you 247 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: sponsor a person to be in this country legally. 248 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: With Lulu's immigration paperwork underway, they started their new life together. 249 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: The first years of our marriage, what you call the 250 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: honeymoon years, were wonderful. I was still very involved in boxing. 251 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: I had my nonprofit. She supported that also. She cared 252 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot about me. She cared that I was a 253 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: father figure to her son and her daughter. 254 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: Early on in their marriage, Ramone told Lulu about his 255 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: career dreams. He wanted to open his own boxing gym 256 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: in Houston, a place where he could coach and train 257 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: the city's best boxers. But he knew this dream was 258 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: a few years away. He didn't have the money for 259 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: all the upfront costs. 260 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: I told her how much he was going to cost, 261 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: and she goes, I can get that for you, and 262 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: I said, what are you talking about. 263 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: Lulu was determined to help Ramone's dream come true. 264 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: She was borrowing money for family and also she maxed 265 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: out all these credit cards as she had, and that's 266 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: what we were able to open up our first gym 267 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: and buy all the equipment. 268 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: The plan was dubious, but it worked and he was 269 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: grateful for it. The Jim quickly became a full time 270 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: job for both Ramone and Lulu. He did the head 271 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: coaching and training and she handled the business side of things. 272 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: She told me that back in Mexico City, she used 273 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: to work for Ford and she was an executive secretary 274 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: and she knew how to keep the books and she 275 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: was good at it. So I was very happy that 276 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: I had somebody that because I mean, I'm not good 277 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: at that part. I'm good at training people. I'm good 278 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: at teaching. 279 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: Him how to fight a box Andy was his gym, 280 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: became d plays for leap boxers to sharpen their skills, 281 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: and it was growing quickly. 282 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: The business took off. It took off, and it took 283 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: off quick. My day started at four in the morning. 284 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: I was till night in the evening, working Saturdays too, 285 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: and I mean I was literally exhausted every day. But 286 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: that surprised. You pay when you own a business. 287 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: Within a year, he had already paid Lulu back and 288 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: they were starting to make real money. 289 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I just kept saying to myself, like, wow, this is 290 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: what I wanted. I mean, I didn't become a world champion, 291 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: I didn't go to the Olympics, but still doing something 292 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: with boxing. And at the same time, I'm making money 293 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: and we were financially doing very very well. We were 294 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: to the point where we under the buy a big house, cars, vacations, 295 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: so everything was good and to me, life was good. 296 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: One day, Ramone got an unexpected visitor at the gym, 297 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: his old friend. 298 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: Mundo, and I was like Undo, and it was like 299 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: we picked up right where we had left off. 300 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: Mundo asked to come work with Ramon again, but Lulu 301 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: wasn't so sure about him. She didn't like his luck 302 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: or his criminal background. 303 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: She told me I don't know about having somebody like 304 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: that around our business. You know, she saw the tattoos. 305 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I've had to be honest with her that, you know, 306 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: told his background home, everything that happened to him. And 307 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, he had been released from prison back in 308 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: the day being shot at gang member. But he cleaned 309 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: his life. He wanted to live with different life. But 310 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: then when Munda started coming around helping me and helping 311 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: with the gym and helping the weekends so we could 312 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: have days off. When she saw the benefits in him, 313 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: then she said, okay, well we can use them. 314 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: So Mundo started working nights and weekends at the gym. 315 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: It was a relief. The Sosos really needed the help. 316 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: They were beginning to struggle at home with the pressure 317 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: of parenting and managing their business. 318 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: So at home, racing the family was getting difficult, and 319 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Lulu would take the issues that she had with her 320 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: kids out on me. So, yeah, the family dynamic we 321 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: were seeing cracks. 322 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: After the first three years of marriage, Ramone started noticing 323 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: that Lulu was changing too. She was becoming more demanding. 324 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: She didn't want my kids to come around, she didn't 325 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: want my family. Even my family started coming to my 326 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: house because they saw how she changed, how she was 327 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: in the same person, the very nice lady that they 328 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: had met when I first met her. 329 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: Lulu was getting controlling about how Ramone spent money, while 330 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: she was spending more than ever. 331 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: She would go shopping and come back from the ball 332 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: with all these bags. I said, what are you doing. 333 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: Ramone's concern was amplified when he discovered. 334 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: I started noticing that the books were not adding up 335 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: to the number of people members we had in the gym. 336 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: And every time I will bring up that situation, I said, hey, 337 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: what's going on here? This is not adding up the 338 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: bottom line, and she would always say, I don't worry 339 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: about it. 340 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: And I was upsetting, so we hired someone else to 341 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: take over the books. One night, Ramone came home from 342 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: the gym to find that Lulu was hosting a party 343 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: at the house, a party he hadn't heard about. There 344 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: were balloons and a cake. Lulu's entire family. 345 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: Was there, and I can tell that she had been 346 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: drinking because she was just learned a little bit. And 347 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: she had a bottle of wine in one hand and 348 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: a cup of the other and she said, say hello 349 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: to your new American wife, and I'm like, what are 350 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: you talking about. 351 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: Lulu had applied for citizenship and she was approved. Earlier 352 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: that day, she'd gone to her naturalization ceremony and officially 353 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: became a US citizen, but she hadn't mentioned it to Ramone, 354 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 2: her husband and the sponsor of her visa. 355 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: And I said, wait a second. You're here legally in 356 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: this country because of me. Your kids are here legally 357 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: because of me, and you don't have the respect to 358 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: ask me like you want to go to the celebration. 359 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: It got to the poor where I asked her, point black, 360 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: did you marry me just to be here legally with 361 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: your family, the money, the American lifestyle. She came back with, 362 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: look at me, I'm beautiful, look at my up body. 363 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: I can get anybody I want, and men that have 364 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot more money than you, But no, I chose you. 365 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: I want to be with Pele, and I love you. 366 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: He wanted to believe her, but he was still disturbed 367 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: by her choices, not to mention her controlling behavior, not 368 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 2: wanting his kids around her, spending, the discrepancies in the books, 369 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: and now she hadn't even invited him to her citizenship ceremony. 370 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: And I said, now this is that cool? All right? 371 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: The way his marriage is going, Ramon pulled away emotionally 372 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: and physically. He knew something was wrong, but he was 373 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: too busy with his gym to take immediate action and 374 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: file for divorce. In the meantime, the couple started sleeping 375 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: in separate bedrooms. 376 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: We're still married but living separate lives, basically in the 377 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: same house. 378 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: He didn't expect Blue Lu to be the one to 379 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: file for divorce, but one day she came to him 380 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: with the papers and she had a bold request. She 381 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: wanted to keep the house and the business. 382 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: I said, no, no, I don't think so, I said, 383 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: we're going to go half. Everything is gonna split down 384 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the middle. You go your way, I go my way. 385 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: But all the money and time that I have invested 386 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: in this marriage and everything that we have, no, I said, no, 387 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: this is my house. So I told her we can 388 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: work it out, or we can go to court. And 389 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: that's when I got my attorney and we'll fight it out. 390 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: He had been through a divorce before, and although the 391 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: first one was difficult, it had been fair and respectful. 392 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: But this divorce was about to take a devastating turn. 393 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: I remember I was driving, Mundo calls me. 394 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 2: Mundo explained that the night before he'd been closing the 395 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: gym when he overheard Lulu talking about hiring a hit man. 396 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: And you know, Mundo being funny and when we joke 397 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: around before all the time. I said, Mundo, you know 398 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: we're joking around. Man, you know what we're going through. 399 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: This is not cool to be joking like that. He said, nah, nah, no, Pops. 400 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: I've seen that look in people's eyes when they want 401 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: to kill somebody, and she has that look. 402 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: Munjo approached Lulu to ask about what he overheard. 403 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: And he walked up to her and I said, you 404 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: guys used to be careful what you're saying because you 405 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: never know who's listening. And he said, are you guys 406 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: talking about remote and said yeah. Mingo said, do you 407 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: want him gone? And you want to disappear? And Mundo 408 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: did the pistol sign with his hand and he said, 409 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: you want him gone like this like you know when 410 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: she said yeah, I'm tired of him. I wish she 411 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: was going to disappear. Yeah like that. I just want 412 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: him going out of my life. And Mungo said, I'll 413 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: tell you what you know, I got some people that 414 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: can do the job for you. 415 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: Mundo told Lulu he could help, that he knew someone 416 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: who could do the hit. Instead of calling up a connection, 417 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: he went straight to his good friend Ramone. 418 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: I was upset. I was so upset. I mean I 419 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: had to pull over. I had so much rage. I 420 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. That was like, man, what 421 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: I do? So I called the police? So he said, no, 422 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: he is to do. I talked to her and I'm 423 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: going to start meeting with her and I'm going to 424 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: record everything or a foe and see how far she's 425 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: willing to go. And then I want I want you 426 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: to do is take all these recordings to the police 427 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: and see what they wanted to do. 428 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: Ramone was skeptical that this plan would work, and taking 429 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: Mundo at his word meant Lulu was dangerous. So right 430 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: after that phone call, he decided to go to the police. 431 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: And I told him the situation, what happened, and he 432 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: responded with, you know what, you guys are going through 433 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: a divorce. Women and men sometimes say things when they're upset, 434 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: even that they want to kill their wives or their husbands. 435 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: But it's just just saying it out of anger. There's 436 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: really not a lot of evidence to do anything with that. 437 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: He wasn't sure if Mundo's plan to use secret recordings 438 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: would be admissible or even legal. It sounded kind of 439 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: like entrapment, so he asked the detectives about it. 440 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: I told Black Woo, does say look, And he said, 441 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: you guys keep getting more evidence, and I said, okay, 442 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: apparently that is legal. So that's what we did. 443 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: So they moved forward with the plan. Mundo would meet 444 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: with Lulu in private places like cars to see if 445 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: she was actually serious about hiring a hitman, and all 446 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: the while he was secretly recording on his phone. For 447 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: this to work, she'd have to believe that Mundo was 448 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: in one hundred percent. But why would she trust Mundo, 449 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: one of Ramone's best friends. Ramone has a simple answer. 450 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Lulu's so desperate in everything that's going on the voice 451 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: I going her way. Her life is slowly crumbling. 452 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: The most difficult part of their plan was that Ramon 453 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: would have to play dumb and spend a few more 454 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: days sleeping under the same roof as Lulu, pretending that 455 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: he didn't know what she was planning. Ramone remembers turning 456 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: into his driveway that day, something he'd done a thousand 457 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: times before, and he always felt comfort and relief when 458 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: he got home, But now it was all so eerie. 459 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: His house a would be crime scene and him an 460 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: unsuspecting murder victim. 461 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: Even though we're sleeping in separate rules. I had to 462 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: go home and see this lady and look at this lady, 463 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: knowing that she wanted to have me kill. 464 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: He barely said a word to her that night. He 465 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: locked his bedroom door. He tried to sleep, but he 466 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: was wide awake with thoughts racing. People say things they 467 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: don't mean during a divorce all the time. Could she 468 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: just be fuming or could she actually go through with it? 469 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: The next day, Ramon got his answer. It turns out 470 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: Lulu was in a hurry. She wanted to take Mundo 471 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: up on his offer right away. 472 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: Lulu wanted me dead before divorce was finalized, because she 473 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: said to Mundo, look, if he dies after our divorce 474 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: is finalized, my kids get everything. But if he died 475 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: before that the vorce is finalized, she gets everything. And 476 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: the wars was going to be finalized about a what 477 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: so she wanted me dead as soon as possible. 478 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: Ramone had spent seven years with Lulu. For most of 479 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: that time, he genuinely adored her. He wanted to give 480 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: her that second chance at a loving partnership, and he 481 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: dreamed of seeing her succeed alongside of him. Instead, she 482 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: was throwing it all away, and Ramone heard everything captured 483 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: on tape. 484 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: I could believe what I was hearing from Lulu. She's 485 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: telling Woundo how she's practicing, how she's going to cry 486 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: when the police calls her after they kill me, and 487 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: she's literally making cry and sounds, and she starts laughing 488 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: after that. 489 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: In one of the first recorded conversations, Lulu dropped a bull. 490 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: Lulu was planning to have me kill two years prior 491 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: to our divorce. I was like what, and Wundo said, yeah, 492 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: have it on one of the recordings, and I listened 493 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: to it, and I said, I can't believe what I'm 494 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: listening to. 495 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: Two years earlier, they'd taken a family vacation to Mexico City. 496 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 2: Ramone thought their relationship was in a good place, and 497 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: she was so. 498 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: Happy to show me Mexico City and go to the Pyramids. 499 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: She had a whole tenerary for everything, we were supposed 500 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: to do in Mexico City. 501 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 2: She told Mundo that she was planning to kill Ramon 502 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: on that trip. Lulu wanted his savings, his business, and 503 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: his life insurance. She was conspiring to commit the crime 504 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: with a friend back in Mexico and the plan. 505 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: Was, Yeah, bring him over here. We'll disappear. People disappear 506 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: here all the time. What we can do is have 507 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: you guys held for ransom and then they're going to 508 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: let you go, and then we're going to disappear him. 509 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: And then Mundo asked Lulu, and so how come you 510 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: didn't go through with it? And Lulu said, well, I 511 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: didn't have the heart to do it. Then, well, now 512 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: I do. 513 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: This chilled him to the bone. He didn't recognize this woman. 514 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: He never heard his wife speak like this before, the 515 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: coldness in her voice, her laughter. 516 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: It never crossed my mind that lou had this whole 517 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: blooded heart through our good times in our marriage. I 518 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: never would have ever thought in a million years this 519 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: person had that kind of mind to do this kind 520 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: of stuff. 521 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: He became genuinely terrified for his life. Ramon left the 522 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: house and stayed with his parents, who lived across town. 523 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Mundo asked Lulu if she wanted him 524 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: to reach out to one of his guys if she 525 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: was ready, and she said she was, so Mundo called 526 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: his contacts. 527 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: He called one of them John Boy in the other 528 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: one Paco. 529 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: If those sound like characters from a crummy action movie, 530 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: it's because they are. 531 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: Told me that he saw blood and blood out and 532 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: those are those two characters right from that movie. 533 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: But Lulu bought it. So Mundo texted Paco, who was 534 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: actually Ramone using a burner phone. 535 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: Then I said, well, Mundo, I'm not a street guy, 536 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: so he's already teaching me how to talk or text 537 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: in that gang Lingo to pass as the criminal. Basically, 538 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: he's meeting with Lulu and the person that do I 539 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: text Moonlet's say, hey, the boss lead ready to do this. 540 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: We need two hundred dollars for the toy. 541 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: Mundo explained that the hit would cost twelve thousand dollars, 542 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: but the guys would need two hundred dollars up front 543 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 2: for the gun. 544 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: She went to our bank. We still had count together. 545 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: She went to our account, got the two hundred dollars 546 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: out of our sables, which is basically my money too 547 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: and gives Mundo two hundred dollars. 548 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: As soon as the money changed hands, they had enough 549 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: to go to the police. The moment was both a 550 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: relief and a horrible betrayal, and with this evidence, the 551 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: police were finally ready to move on Ramon's case. They 552 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: took it very seriously. 553 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: They had to get all these different agencies together and 554 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: come up with the plant Safe Troopers they share with 555 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: the part with FBI. They got real quick. 556 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: Law enforcement wanted to collect evidence of their own. They 557 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: decided to see if Lulu would make a down payment 558 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: for the hit and if she would exchange the money 559 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: with one of these fictitions, hitman in person. 560 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: The state police brought their undercover police officer to play 561 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: it as one of the hitman's to start meeting with 562 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: Lulu in person. I mean, this guy, if he saw 563 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: her in the street, he thought that he was really 564 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: a gang member hit man. You know. He pit everything 565 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: to the tee. He had all the tags, he knew 566 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: how to talk, He had a mean look like that. 567 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: You will be scared of him. 568 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: Lulu met him in a car, which of course was 569 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: an undercover police car full of cameras. She said she 570 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: didn't have the cash to pay him just yet. 571 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: But she brought my own jewelry as a down payment 572 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: for my own murder bracelets, watches just so stiff that 573 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: I had left behind at the house, and she gave 574 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: that to him as a down payment. And then she 575 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: also had the nerve to tell look and he also 576 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: wears this really nice watch and if he has it on, 577 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: you can keep that too, because it's worth something. And 578 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: then after he dies, I'll give you the rest of 579 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: the money. And he said, okay, we're going to take 580 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: care of business now. 581 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: That night, the police asked Ramon to come to the 582 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: station right away. 583 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: And I said, what about mungdo he's not coming? Said no, 584 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: we just need to talk to you. When I arrived 585 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: at the station, go to a special room that we 586 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: always met. And when I get in and I started noticing, like, 587 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: wait a second, there's a lot more people in this 588 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: room than before. The FBI guy was there, at the 589 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: state Police detective, the DA or assistant DA was there, 590 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: so it was a packed room. And they start telling me. 591 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: You say, okay, Ramonea, we feel that we have enough 592 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: evidence to rest Lulu right now. But here's the deal. 593 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: You guys own a business here locally, she's a mother, 594 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: she's never been in trouble, and we need to make 595 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: this slammed on the case. And I'm afraid that if 596 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: we go to a jury trial, we might have one 597 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: of the jurists true slight for her. And you just 598 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: want to make sure it's a slam dunk case. So 599 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: we have decided to stage your death and show her 600 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: your picture and then recorded. 601 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: It sounded over the top. He'd never heard anything like it, 602 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: and to be honest, neither have I. The police told 603 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: Ramon that they need him for three days, so he 604 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: quickly went home and packed a bag. He was advised 605 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: not to tell anyone where he was going that Mundo, 606 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: not his parents, not his kids. He returned to the 607 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: police station the next morning and was surprised when the 608 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: police started doing special effects makeup to make it look 609 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: like he'd been shot in the head. The police even 610 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: had a reference image, a photo of a real murder 611 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: victim whose body had been dumped in the desert. 612 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: They take me in a blacked out SUV to this 613 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: location where they had already dug out this shallow grave. 614 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: And when I get there, the detective tells me, okay, 615 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: meet you to strip down to your underwear. They showed 616 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: me how to pose on my hands bound behind my back, 617 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: and it looked like I was a little bit swollen. 618 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: They put more blood on me, and they even threw 619 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: dirt on me, which I thought it was so degrading, 620 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: and closed my eyes and the only thing that I 621 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: could remember the most from that scene was the sound 622 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: of the thirty five millimeter as it went around me, 623 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: just clicking taking pictures of me. And then the detectives 624 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: health give me the shows oun we're done here to 625 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: close on and they took me away to a hotel. 626 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: He sat in the hotel room for two days, not 627 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 2: able to contact anyone, just waiting for the to arrest Lulu. 628 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep. All I did was paced back and forth, 629 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: thinking about all the different situations. What if it doesn't happen, 630 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: whether she doesn't fall for it, What are my kids 631 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: gonna think when they see my parents? Everybody, I mean all, 632 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: I mean, so many things going through my head. 633 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, back in Houston, the. 634 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: Undercover police officer was in the car with Lulu and 635 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: he shows Lulu the picture of me in the shallow grave. 636 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: So next thing she does, she starts racing up her 637 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: hands up like racing the roof, like she's laughing, like yeah, 638 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: about to get paid. I hit the battle and then 639 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: walks out of the car, closes the door, no idea whatsoever. 640 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: The whole time she was starting to an undercover police officer. 641 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: Lulu was arrested right there for soliciaation a first degree 642 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: capital murder. After the arrest was made, the police called 643 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: Ramone's hotel room to let him know. 644 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: I literally sat on the edge of that bed and 645 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: tears started coming down. Tears of anger, tears of sadness. 646 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: Not because I was still in love with this person, 647 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: but she didn't think about me being a son, me 648 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: being a father, you know, a friend, a brother, all 649 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: those she didn't think of. I know of that, and 650 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: you're taking me away from my kids, my mother, and 651 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: my father. That hurt me a lot. 652 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: Ramone says the worst part of this entire betrayal was 653 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 2: what happened next. He hadn't been able to talk to 654 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 2: his family for three days and explain where he was 655 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 2: going or what was going on. He's the kind of 656 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: son who called his mom nearly every day. He knew 657 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: she'd be panicked, so as soon as he could, he 658 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: dialed his parents' house. 659 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: My father asks the phone, and my dad never asks, 660 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: is a phone? My dad is not a phone person. 661 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: It's just we'll stroll yet. And I can hear the 662 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: cracking in his voice. In the background, I hear my 663 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: mother screaming and cry and kind of cry. You hear 664 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: funerals when somebody passes. 665 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 2: His parents had just heard the news of Lulu's arrest, 666 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 2: but they didn't know it was a setup. The only 667 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: thing they knew was that they hadn't heard from Ramone 668 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: and that his wife had just been arrested for soliciting 669 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: his murder. 670 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: And I try to drive as fast as possible, trying 671 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: to get to her. And when I get there, my 672 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: dad opens the door. In my dad's eyes were bloodshot. 673 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: I've never seen my dad cry ever. He just hugged 674 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: me and I went straight to my mother. She was 675 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: there on the couches. She can't catch your bread then, 676 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: and she's crying. I said, mom, come fam okay. I mean, 677 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm okay, you know. I tried to explain to her 678 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: that was gonna be okay, but she still couldn't catch 679 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: a bread. She was basically hyper ventilating, you know, because 680 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: she was so anxious. 681 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: This is the moment that still haunts Ramone seeing his 682 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 2: own mom grieve his death. It's something few people ever 683 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: see and it's extremely difficult to process. 684 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm their only son, and never forget that 685 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the picture that always be able. My 686 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: was my dad hold Mama's hand, telling her it's gonna 687 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: be okay. 688 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 2: Even though Lulu was being held on a million dollar bail, 689 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 2: Ramon couldn't shake this fear that she'd somehow find him. 690 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know Flulu had a plan B or C. 691 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: So I was sleeping with a loaded shotgun next to 692 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: my bed. Then I had another loaded gun on the 693 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: counter of my kitchen, which was a forty milimeter that 694 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: I had a nine millimeter loaded in my vehicle at 695 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: all times, ready to go. 696 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: In the year following Lulu's arrest, he didn't leave the 697 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: house unless he had to. Over time, all of that 698 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: fear turned to anger. 699 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: I had so much bottled up anger inside of me, 700 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: my family, my kids, and my mother. All that anger 701 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: I had it bottled up inside of me. Anybody that 702 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: has gone through something so traumatic like I went through, 703 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: you can't live with that much anger. I couldn't continue 704 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: to live the way I was living with that anger 705 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: with loaded guns around me all the time. I was 706 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: a ticking bomb Britaus. I was afraid of myself. 707 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 2: After fifteen months in jail, Lulu pleaded down to second 708 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 2: degree solicitation of capital murder. Ramon channeled his anger into 709 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: writing a victim impact statement to deliver at her sentencing hearing. 710 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I was going to let her have it 711 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: verbally of all the pain and anger that she had 712 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: cost me in my family. When they let me talk, 713 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: it was packed. A lot of people were there from 714 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: the press. I get up. I took a deep breath. 715 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: I forgave this lady. 716 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,479 Speaker 2: This was about him. It wasn't about making Lulu feel 717 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: better or letting her off the hook. It was about 718 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: making this moment into a ceremony for himself, a ceremony 719 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: to release all the anger he'd been carrying. 720 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: And once I did that, it was as if all 721 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: that anger was gone, really like all that air out 722 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: of the bulow and I was able to breathe, and 723 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: you know, it's just life was beginning to be more normal. Now. 724 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 2: Lulu was sentenced to twenty years, but ended up serving 725 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: eight and a half. She was released in November of 726 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and she'll serve another twelve years on parole. 727 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: She's on the very very street rules with the Texas 728 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: State Parole Board. She misses up, she's going right back in. 729 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: Ramon decided to move on from the spaces they shared, 730 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: which meant selling the house and the gym. 731 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: It was just way too many memories. I just need 732 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: to move on. 733 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 2: As for Mundo, they're still friends today. He doesn't think 734 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 2: about Lulu every day like he used to. It's in 735 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 2: part because I. 736 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: Mean love again. Yes, yes, it's just been wonderful to me. 737 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: Just Puerto Rican too. I say that because we have 738 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot of common because of our cultures. 739 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 2: Ramon is determined to turn his betrayal into a positive force. 740 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 2: He wrote a memoir about his experience. It's called I 741 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: Walked on my Own Grave, and he wants to tell 742 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: his story on stage as a one man play. 743 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm not an actor, I'm not a professional speaker. But 744 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: when you speak from the heart, it means something, and 745 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: I think I'd like to do that. Tell my story 746 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: on stage, the real deal. Everything that haven't. 747 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 2: Part of his healing process has been understanding that there's 748 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: a term for what Lulu did to him, the terror 749 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 2: he lived with for years afterwards. It's domestic abuse. Even 750 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 2: though his story has so many twists and turns, that's 751 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 2: what it boils down to. His own spouse tried to 752 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: have him killed. As you know, we end all of 753 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: our weekly episodes with the same question, why did you 754 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 2: want to tell your story? 755 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: My hope is that my story helps men and women 756 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: that are caught in difficult situations in their marriage. And 757 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: I go through what I went through because I was 758 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: a victim of the Messican bees, and it's hard for 759 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: people to understand that what I say. And you're a 760 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: boxer and you're this, and you're that. So I ad advocate, 761 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, for men that are victims of the Messican 762 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: bees to never give up get help. I mean, just 763 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,439 Speaker 1: like women, men should be getting the same type of help. 764 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 2: On the next episode of Betrayal. 765 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 3: Who wants to file a police report against their father? 766 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't want to put my dad in jail. 767 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 3: I really didn't like I didn't want to be the 768 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 3: kind of person who did that. 769 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 2: If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal team, 770 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 2: or want to tell us your betrayal story, email us 771 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 2: at Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. That's Betrayal Pod 772 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Also, please be sure to follow 773 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 2: us at Glass Podcasts on Instagram for all betrayal content, 774 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,399 Speaker 2: news and updates. We're grateful for your support. One way 775 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 2: to show support is by subscribing to our show on 776 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, and don't forget to rate and review Betrayal. 777 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 2: Five star reviews go a long way. A big thank 778 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 2: you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is a production 779 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group, in 780 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 2: partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show was executive produced by 781 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 2: Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced by me 782 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 2: Andrea Gunning, written and produced by Monique Leboard, also produced 783 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 2: by Ben Fetterman. Associate producers are Kristin Mercury and Caitlin Golden. 784 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,720 Speaker 2: Our ihearteam is Ali Perry and Jessica Krincheck. Audio editing 785 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 2: and mixing by Matt Delvecchio and Nico Uruka. Betrayal's theme 786 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: composed by Oliver Baines. Music library provided by my Music 787 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 2: and for more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, 788 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.