WEBVTT - A BroaderWay with Idina Menzel 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.240 The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:05.880 strikes of twenty twenty three. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.160 You know, theater is something that has really been important 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:15.400 to me in my life. I moved to New York 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.400 and was really really tapped into the New York theater 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:24.360 scene off Broadway. Still go to theater all the time, 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.119 see as many shows as I can. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.720 And today's guest is something that I have never been, 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.640 which is a major, major Broadway star. So whether you've 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.280 sung the song Defying. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.000 Gravity or let it go on repeat, there's no doubt 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.760 that you have heard her name, Adina Menzel. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.720 This is going to be a good one. I'm glad 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:58.440 you're here. I want to introduce Dina Menzel, who is 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:05.919 an incredible performer, a giant of Broadway, of all entertainment. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.520 Thank you so much for coming out and hanging out 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:10.199 with me today. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:15.160 Thank you for that incredible introduction. I'm so I'm one 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.720 of your I'm been a fan of yours since forever. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.680 So just to hear you say all that and then 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.280 be included in this is is is such a gift. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:24.720 Thank you. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.559 Hey, listen, we don't I got I have. I'm embarrassed 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.840 to say this we were chatting before we broll. But 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.960 you know, I am I'm getting to the age where 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:42.400 I start to forget who I've worked with and who 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.280 I haven't worked with, And so. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.640 I have not worked with you. 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.600 We have not worked together, yes, but I want I'm 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.680 embarrassed to say that I've just I've figured out a 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.680 way that I can avoid getting into a situation with 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.560 someone that I'm meeting for the first time and saying 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.400 nice to meet you, and then they turned around and said, 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.200 you know, we did a love scene, yeah, ten years ago. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:09.560 So there's a thing called the call sheet for people 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.200 that don't know. And it's this piece of paper that 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.359 you that you can look at your on your way 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.679 to the work if it's a movie or a television show, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.080 and it tells you all the people that you're about 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.720 to work with. And I go onto this website and 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.160 I'm not going to mention the name of the website 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.000 because they're not paying me anything. But there's this website 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.079 where you can put people's names in. I can put 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.720 my name in. Then I can click on this little 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.920 button that says connections, and it will actually tell me 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.880 the connection to the person. In other words, it's almost 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.520 playing the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game for you 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.799 or for anybody else. So I clicked on it, and 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.720 here are our connections. Maybe you know or maybe you 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.880 don't know. The first one that popped up was that 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.880 you were in a movie called Just a Kiss with 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.200 Kira Sedgwick. Yeah, so that is our connection. And the 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.799 other one I also have to mention, which is a 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.520 little bit more obscure, but all so super cool is it? 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.560 In nineteen seventy seven, I was in acting school with 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:09.320 Winnie Holtzman. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.320 Huh oh really that's a great one. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.639 Yeah, great connection. Who you can tell people what Whatny 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:16.200 Holtzman did. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.040 Winnie Holtzman, she wrote the was in his screenplay. She 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.240 is writing that too. She wrote the book to Wicked 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.960 the musical, and she's did my so called life and 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.760 tons of things Wicked. She gave the voice, the speaking 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.640 voice to Alphaba and Glinda. And yeah, she's a friend, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.680 had a great actress. She's actually in she's in Jerry Maguire. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.560 She's one of those women's sitting in the living room 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.280 where they're all doing that like men bashing thing, and 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:48.400 she's one of those women. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.600 Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, for those of 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.360 you that don't know, Adina was in Wicked in an 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.600 incredible She was wicked and wicked and just me, it 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:01.680 was such age and. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.160 You were nice. I don't know if you remember, and 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.600 it's totally okay. It's about it's for me to remember 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.000 because I was new and upcoming, and anytime celebrities came 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.040 backstage that's a big deal for me. And you probably 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.920 did it like every day of your life. But you 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.600 and Kira and all the kids came backstage after Wicked 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:16.440 and said hi to me. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.000 Oh, I had a feeling we might have, but I 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.160 didn't want to embarrass myself and say that I had 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.119 done that when I hadn't. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.599 Oh, that's awesome, And I want you to know also 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.160 that probably because I was meeting you, I still want 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.960 to be respectful of your wife, but because you're cute 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.800 and sexy, I probably wanted to get my green makeup 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.120 off before I met you so I could meet you 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.520 like as myself and not as a green witch, which 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.360 which was probably was one of the the occupational hazards 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.359 was when I meet like the cute men, I'd have 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.880 to like either I'd have to run in the shower 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.680 and try to get the green off quickly and then 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.640 like look pretty, or I just meet you as the 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.400 wicked witch and then you never knew who I was 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.840 when I meet you in other places. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.240 That's so funny. So we waited like four hours to 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:02.599 meet you? 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.720 Then, No, I didn't make you wait four hours. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:11.880 But oh, that's really interesting. Okay, So did you always 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.000 take did you always take everything off? I mean like 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.200 if the president came or. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.280 Something, you wouldn't yet, well know, because I didn't want 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.880 to keep people waiting, So maybe weren't as important because 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.320 it's there you go. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.839 Okay, So I didn't make the I didn't make the 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:25.719 met or in the makeup list. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.640 No, it's all about vanity and looks and putting on 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.359 a good, you know face for you. How do you know? 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.680 I feel about that backstage thing, Like I'm kind of 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.640 conflicted about it sometimes because I kind of feel like, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.679 I don't know, you know, when we go to the theater. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:44.000 On one hand, if I if I really appreciate some 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.360 someone's performance, you know, I I want to go back 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.880 and tell them. On the other hand, I feel like 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.440 sometimes it like the backstage hang can become a performance 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.599 of its own and it and it is it's it's 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.039 like asking too much, do you know. I mean even 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.120 like vocally right, you know, it's you know, your your 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.640 instrument is like so tired and to keep and talking, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.000 as we know, is really much harder on your voice 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.559 than singing is. So yes, like to have to chat 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.760 it up with KB and KS and they're annoying kids. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.240 I mean, yeah, that was my pleasure, and it was 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.320 probably it was one of the highlights, I will say, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.440 but I hear you. It's it's all part of the job. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.960 Like I find. Yeah, it's hard because you don't want 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.479 to talk too much and you're trying to do eight 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.080 shows a week, or when I'm on tour in a concert, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.719 you know, I try to do the meet and greets after, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.440 not before. But but then you'll also have to enjoy it, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.680 you know. I mean it's just it's so isolating, especially Broadway, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.600 when you have a big taxing role and then you're 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.880 just you know, you're not socializing and you're going home 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.520 or you're just seeing a movie or you know, and 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.320 so you got to take in those moments when people 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.599 like you I've looked up to my whole life, you know, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.240 are coming backstage and I've seen my performance. I have 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.560 to take those moments in and I think I started 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.000 realizing more. I realized that more when I had walked 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.640 orod my son, who's now twelve. You know, having a 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.240 baby helped me just chill out a little bit more 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.560 as far as the performance and the perfectionism part of things, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.760 because it was like, I'm not going to hit that 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.240 no one, but he had a fever. I was up 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.720 all night. I wasn't gonna like not be with my 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.000 son when he was sick. So I'm gonna sound shitty 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.600 and that's it. And then I'd end up sounding actually 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.720 really good because I was just more out of my 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.440 head and just happy I showed up. And you know, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:40.160 so the expectation changed of myself and would that I 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.120 became more more liberated. I found so the more I 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.080 tried to just enjoy and not think of oh my god, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.360 you know, I mean, I'm smart and I don't drink 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.720 and smoke and all that in the middle of a run. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.560 But that allowed myself to have a life. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.480 Yeah. Well that's interesting because a lot of people, I 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:04.360 think have the misconception that when you have children that 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.840 now you have given up the fire in your belly 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.040 in some kind of fig and that you can't and 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:14.040 that you can't make these two things exist in one 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:20.160 perfect sort of combination, or that you will lose somehow, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.680 you know, the edge. They feel the same way oftentimes 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.840 about you know, getting married or or you know, other 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.680 other sort of normal kind of things. And and to 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.040 hear that you actually feel more relaxed as a performer 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.480 once you once you have a child and and the 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.040 balance of your problems kind of shifts and you start 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.480 to appreciate that. That's a that's really cool. But by 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.320 the way, I don't know if there is a note 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.080 that you can't hit, so oh. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.400 You can find them, uh, and they're out there, especially 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.160 with social media, and they're not fun, but yeah, thank 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.760 you for saying that, but they're definitely out there. Because 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.160 the other thing is that I'm not from the auto 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.840 tune generation, so which I'm not judging by the way, 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.000 because there's some great stuff you can do, and that 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.640 actually is a we can get into that after. But 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.319 the point being is that because I'm from the theater too, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.920 and I was a wedding singer when I was when 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.880 I was like teenager before I got, you know, my 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.959 first professional job. I just I'm all about, you know, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.439 being real and being live, which means that if you're 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.280 in New Year's Eve in Times Square and it's zero 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.760 degrees weather, lip syncing might be a good thing for you, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.839 you know, because then you just sound great. You don't 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.559 have to worry that your voice closes up when you 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.560 hit the heiha at the end of the song. But no, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.160 I had to just you know, I knew that all 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.400 the all the fans in the theater would be want 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.800 to know if I hit it, if I sang it 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.559 in the original key, So I kept it in the 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.640 original key. I mean, so much ego involves, Like sometimes 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.040 my ego gets the best of me, and I think 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.760 I have to sing it in the original key and 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.160 want to do it for Brila and be the real deal, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.800 and then I end up, you know, screwing it up, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.679 and then people say horrible things about me. So well, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.319 where are a lot of people out there that use 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.760 it as a tool so that they can keep going. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.680 And I think that you have a certain you know, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:22.040 you've got a certain kind of pressure on you because 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:27.160 you have such an incredible instrument and such a range 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.080 that you know, and and and and and and the 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:36.120 ability to sing with such force and such such you know, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:43.240 volume and passion that people tend to, uh, you know, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.560 want something from you technically, you know what I mean, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.640 and and and that you know that like I I mean, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:56.600 I'm someone that can really appreciate a voice like yours 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.840 and admire it and also appreciate Bob Dylan, you know, 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.559 I mean I exactly. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.960 There are times where I wish I was I I 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.160 enjoy I wish the people that I listen to are 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.560 the people that have those textures to their voices that 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.800 maybe aren't as acrobatic as me, that tell a story 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.520 just with one note because the sound of living in 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.400 their voice. And I actually try to counteract some of 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:31.120 my technical aspects and the technician and me. And also 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:37.600 have found that those times when I've been performing under 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:41.320 the weather, really bad argument with someone in my life, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:47.600 you know, something whatever, something going on that first of all, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.520 people won't realize half the time unless it's New Year's even, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.720 but they don't. They still feel, they still feel the 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.640 emotion of the performance, and they don't need all that stuff. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:04.360 And so that it's something I've had to learn that's not. 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.600 I'm not wrapped up. That's not my identity, you know, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.240 all wrapped up in these high notes, like you're saying that. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.240 I get it. But I can still move people and 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.160 just tell a story with my voice. I don't have 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.000 to sing these crazy high long notes. I don't have 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.680 to impress that all the time. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.600 And let me just say that, you know, very impressive 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.400 is your own uh songwriting and you're singing of your 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.840 own stuff because Broadway is nothing. You know, you're you're 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:34.280 delivering someone else's, uh your spin on someone else's material. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.680 But they're but correct me if I'm wrong. You know, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.960 the notes are very specific. They're they're they're they're written, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.440 and you're supposed to sing them the way that the 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.480 component wrote them. There's no there's no really for improvisation 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.320 in a in a Broadway score. But I mean I 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.240 listened to okay, I mean I really I'm sort of 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.880 feeling bad about this because we were just talking about it. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.120 But uh uh Queen of Swords, which I think did 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:57.800 you write that one? 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.320 I co wrote it? 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.840 I can't write yeah, no, oh, I love that. I 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.240 love that song and there is that quick but what 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.440 is that note? There is a crazy note in there. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.800 I mean, I'm sorry, sorry to bring it back to that, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.160 but that was me. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.679 Yeah, those are moments where I'm like, I'm going to 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.080 try to emulate what Chaka Khan would do. At the 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:21.000 end of this, I usually give myself little in the studio. Yeah, 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.719 people go, how do you bel to Dina teach it? 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.959 I'm like, oh, I just listened to shakakanor Areta and 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.600 then I try to imitate them and whatever comes out 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:29.719 close to that. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.960 But it's a really super cool song. I love that. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.680 It kind of reminds me a little of like Toto. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.120 I don't want to get too much in the weeds 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.760 on yeah, on the on on your your songs, But 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.240 I mean there are a couple more that I just 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.559 want to mention that I also love, which is, uh, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.080 I do did you write that one too? 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.160 Yeah? I can't believe you're picking up these cool songs 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.680 that people do not know and that I'm very proud of. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.040 Well that you don't know them, you should check them out. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.040 I mean, uh, Dina, you know the. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.000 Truth that it's your making the songs that have a 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.080 kind of an edgier vibe, and that's you know, like 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.360 if a Dell Disese put out an album, she would 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:12.680 put out some crazy efanescence like rock headbanging. I mean 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.680 there's a side of me that wants because I can't 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:22.040 seem to shed the Broadway just to digress for you know, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.880 no matter what music I put out, it will always 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.680 have like Broadway people. If you listen to these people, 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.880 then you would like this music. And I'm like, this 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.920 is a like a funky ass rock to And now 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:43.120 you're putting you know, Carol Channing as a listening let 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.760 me go, let me reply, you know, so thank you 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.800 for picking those songs that have some edge too. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:59.320 But I can just mention one more and that is 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.200 a perfect story and the reason that I love this song. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.640 I think about this song. I mean, you know, if 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.640 you go to I think it should be required listening. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.840 You know, when you go to a wedding, it's you know, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:20.240 selling very good time or having a gel or you 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.320 know whatever it is. And then there's that's that's that 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:28.560 green Day song that they always play graduations and and 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:34.200 this song should be required for children of divorced parents. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:42.360 It is such a touching, moving the story about what 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.760 sort of how to how to handle that I mean, 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.840 I you know, my my wife is a child of 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.560 divorced parents, and and uh she thought the song was 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.280 beautiful and and uh, I'm not. But I just think 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:58.880 it's I think it's just think it's a gem. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.640 Thank you. It's funny that whenever I go to the 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.520 studio to work on new music, my son walk Girls goes, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.960 could you write me like a happy song? Only something 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.840 you wrote for me is sad divorced song to writes 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.320 something about me being like a powerful boy and good 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.440 at basketball. I'm like, I'll try, I'll try to fit that. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:23.120 But yeah, it's us. It gets better for anyone out 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:27.440 there going through it. And and my ex husband, Tay 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:28.960 and I are good friends. And he is in that 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.200 movie with Kira that're talking about, and there's probably he's 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.000 probably you guys have probably done something together. I don't know, 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:40.440 but it's hard. It's just the most important thing. I 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.040 really just stressed to people because I watch friends doing 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:47.240 it even now. It's just not speaking badly, disparagingly about 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.360 each other to in front of the kids. It's just 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.200 whatever you do, it's just and that's and that's no 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:59.360 matter what differences we had. He's been really incredible about 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.440 both of us, about respecting each other in that way, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.000 but just yeah, just like kind of failing and not 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.280 that I came from divorced parents, so I had sworn 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.760 I wasn't going to do that, you know, and that 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.160 idyllic perfects upbringing whatever that means, quote unquote and failing 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.560 my son and not giving that to him. Of course, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.280 now he's twelve, and I realize what a cool kid 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.119 he is, and he's got this great dad and a 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.360 great step dad and they love each other, and he's 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.159 got like two rooms and lots of two things and 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.440 lots of love, and he's going to be a really 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.840 cool person, probably grown up because he's experienced this in 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.840 his life. So I wish I would have let myself 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.600 off the hook back then, but I just felt so 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:43.600 like such a failure, you know. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.679 Yeah, and you're also trying to I mean I think that, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.359 you know, I can't speak for a woman's experience, but 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.480 I would think that also trying to have a career 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.360 and be a mom at the same time is a 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.520 I mean, I've seen it, you know secondhand that it 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:05.240 is a very very challenging life. 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:10.359 Yeah, it's wanting things for yourself when you're supposed to 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:17.920 be giving everything to your family. You know, it's so contradictory. 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:23.399 They're just contradicting terms and it doesn't need to be, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.159 but it just it's constant, just feels it's constant guilt, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.800 and you know, being away and how long and is 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.600 that okay? And or just being in my home and 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.520 not giving them all my time and you know working 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.960 and yeah, so. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.560 Speaking of parents, were your parents how did they feel 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.880 about you choosing this life? Was there like a day 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:48.600 when you told them? 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.280 Or was it just just I was always saying how 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.040 about you? I was always singing, you know, jumping up 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.720 from behind the couch. And uh, my dad was a 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.960 little bit more uh hesitance, you know, made sure you 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.840 mine are in business. My mom was always do what 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.120 you love, got me the lessons, told me she didn't 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.600 want me to work as a kid. Kid. How young 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.080 were you when you started? Were you really young or 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:15.600 just wow? Teens? 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.880 Well, I mean professionally, I kind of guess I kind 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.200 of started when I got out of high school. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.240 Okay, but yeah, she didn't want me doing it before then, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:30.760 so which I'm glad. I'm glad about that because uh, 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.439 you know, I went to summer camp and had pretty 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:38.080 normal life and was in the school plays. And because 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.560 it comes in Long Island, says at Long Island. Yeah, 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.720 and then I went to n y U and that 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.480 was even hard to be. And I went there to 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.080 tish and everything for theater. But it's even hard to be. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.879 I know, everyone loves at school, but it's hard to 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.000 be in Manhattan studying. You feel like everyone's doing something 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.199 and you got it's like I'm ready to be I 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.800 was ready to be out instead of just being some 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.600 we're on a campus somewhere and just enjoying learning and 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.639 studying and being in the school place. You know, a 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.080 clock already. And so I always tell people go somewhere more. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.200 Yeah, there's a lot of distractions in New York. Yeah, 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.840 and you have You've got you know, Broad Broadway there 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:17.920 just screaming at you. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.720 You know, yeah, you should be doing something, you should 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.600 be going in Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.480 I mean, I mean, on the other hand, I would 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.399 think that that became, you know, a kind of a 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.800 driving force for you, you know, at a pretty young age, right. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:36.760 And the diversity and outside of school, like just being 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:42.679 surrounded by so many people with different passions and that 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.040 I mean, I think being in Manhattan is the education 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.720 itself at that age, you know, coming out of that 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:54.000 very homogenized white neighborhood and Long Island and being able 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.320 to see the rest of the world there. So that 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:04.760 was the the education really. Yeah, but yeah. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.040 That's a great education. Uh you know, but you know, 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:12.280 I like to I like to say that we one 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:17.880 of the things that is important to in terms of like, uh, 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.560 living your life and trying to expose yourself to a 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.760 lot of different kinds of people is that that's what 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.280 you're gonna have. Those are the people you're gonna have 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.600 to play. You know, You're you're you're probably not going 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.520 to be asked to play, uh, you know, a Broadway 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.919 singer too often, you know, so you have to you 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.359 have to go and and uh make yourself available and 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.360 keep your heart open and and and and that's one 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.520 of the great things that I found about. Yeah. I 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.000 moved to New York when I was seventeen, and that 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.040 whole giant I mean, even though I grew up in 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.959 the in Philly and the city, but that whole world 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.200