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Speaker 1: The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra

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Speaker 1: strikes of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: You know, theater is something that has really been important

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Speaker 2: to me in my life. I moved to New York

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Speaker 2: and was really really tapped into the New York theater

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Speaker 2: scene off Broadway. Still go to theater all the time,

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Speaker 2: see as many shows as I can.

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Speaker 3: And today's guest is something that I have never been,

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Speaker 3: which is a major, major Broadway star. So whether you've

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Speaker 3: sung the song Defying.

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Speaker 2: Gravity or let it go on repeat, there's no doubt

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Speaker 2: that you have heard her name, Adina Menzel.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a good one. I'm glad

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Speaker 3: you're here. I want to introduce Dina Menzel, who is

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Speaker 3: an incredible performer, a giant of Broadway, of all entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming out and hanging out

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Speaker 3: with me today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for that incredible introduction. I'm so I'm one

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Speaker 4: of your I'm been a fan of yours since forever.

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Speaker 4: So just to hear you say all that and then

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Speaker 4: be included in this is is is such a gift.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, we don't I got I have. I'm embarrassed

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Speaker 3: to say this we were chatting before we broll. But

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Speaker 3: you know, I am I'm getting to the age where

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Speaker 3: I start to forget who I've worked with and who

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Speaker 3: I haven't worked with, And so.

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Speaker 4: I have not worked with you.

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Speaker 3: We have not worked together, yes, but I want I'm

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Speaker 3: embarrassed to say that I've just I've figured out a

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Speaker 3: way that I can avoid getting into a situation with

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Speaker 3: someone that I'm meeting for the first time and saying

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Speaker 3: nice to meet you, and then they turned around and said,

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Speaker 3: you know, we did a love scene, yeah, ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: So there's a thing called the call sheet for people

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Speaker 3: that don't know. And it's this piece of paper that

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Speaker 3: you that you can look at your on your way

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Speaker 3: to the work if it's a movie or a television show,

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Speaker 3: and it tells you all the people that you're about

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Speaker 3: to work with. And I go onto this website and

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to mention the name of the website

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Speaker 3: because they're not paying me anything. But there's this website

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Speaker 3: where you can put people's names in. I can put

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Speaker 3: my name in. Then I can click on this little

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Speaker 3: button that says connections, and it will actually tell me

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Speaker 3: the connection to the person. In other words, it's almost

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Speaker 3: playing the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game for you

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Speaker 3: or for anybody else. So I clicked on it, and

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Speaker 3: here are our connections. Maybe you know or maybe you

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Speaker 3: don't know. The first one that popped up was that

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Speaker 3: you were in a movie called Just a Kiss with

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Speaker 3: Kira Sedgwick. Yeah, so that is our connection. And the

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Speaker 3: other one I also have to mention, which is a

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Speaker 3: little bit more obscure, but all so super cool is it?

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Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy seven, I was in acting school with

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Speaker 3: Winnie Holtzman.

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Speaker 4: Huh oh really that's a great one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great connection. Who you can tell people what Whatny

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Speaker 3: Holtzman did.

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Speaker 4: Winnie Holtzman, she wrote the was in his screenplay. She

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Speaker 4: is writing that too. She wrote the book to Wicked

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Speaker 4: the musical, and she's did my so called life and

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Speaker 4: tons of things Wicked. She gave the voice, the speaking

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Speaker 4: had a great actress. She's actually in she's in Jerry Maguire.

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Speaker 4: She's one of those women's sitting in the living room

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Speaker 4: she's one of those women.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, for those of

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Speaker 3: you that don't know, Adina was in Wicked in an

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Speaker 3: incredible She was wicked and wicked and just me, it

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Speaker 4: You were nice. I don't know if you remember, and

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Speaker 4: it's totally okay. It's about it's for me to remember

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Speaker 4: because I was new and upcoming, and anytime celebrities came

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Speaker 4: backstage that's a big deal for me. And you probably

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Speaker 4: did it like every day of your life. But you

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Speaker 4: and said hi to me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I had a feeling we might have, but I

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's awesome, And I want you to know also

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Speaker 4: that probably because I was meeting you, I still want

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Speaker 4: to be respectful of your wife, but because you're cute

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Speaker 4: like as myself and not as a green witch, which

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Speaker 4: when I meet you in other places.

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Speaker 3: That's so funny. So we waited like four hours to

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Speaker 4: Then, No, I didn't make you wait four hours.

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Speaker 3: But oh, that's really interesting. Okay, So did you always

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Speaker 3: take did you always take everything off? I mean like

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Speaker 4: Something, you wouldn't yet, well know, because I didn't want

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Speaker 4: to keep people waiting, So maybe weren't as important because

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I didn't make the I didn't make the

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Speaker 4: No, it's all about vanity and looks and putting on

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Speaker 4: a good, you know face for you. How do you know?

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Speaker 3: I feel about that backstage thing, Like I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, when we go to the theater.

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Speaker 3: On one hand, if I if I really appreciate some

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Speaker 3: someone's performance, you know, I I want to go back

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Speaker 3: sometimes it like the backstage hang can become a performance

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Speaker 3: like asking too much, do you know. I mean even

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Speaker 3: as we know, is really much harder on your voice

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that was my pleasure, and it was

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Speaker 4: probably it was one of the highlights, I will say,

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Speaker 4: but I hear you. It's it's all part of the job.

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Speaker 4: Like I find. Yeah, it's hard because you don't want

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean it's just it's so isolating, especially Broadway,

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Speaker 4: just you know, you're not socializing and you're going home

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Speaker 4: so you got to take in those moments when people

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Speaker 4: like you I've looked up to my whole life, you know,

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Speaker 4: are coming backstage and I've seen my performance. I have

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Speaker 4: as far as the performance and the perfectionism part of things,

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Speaker 4: because it was like, I'm not going to hit that

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I'm smart and I don't drink

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Speaker 4: But that allowed myself to have a life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well that's interesting because a lot of people, I

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Speaker 3: to appreciate that. That's a that's really cool. But by

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Speaker 4: You can find them, uh, and they're out there, especially

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Speaker 4: the other thing is that I'm not from the auto

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Speaker 4: the point being is that because I'm from the theater too,

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Speaker 4: hit the heiha at the end of the song. But no,

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Speaker 4: original key. I mean, so much ego involves, Like sometimes

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Speaker 4: and then people say horrible things about me. So well,

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Speaker 3: And I think that you have a certain you know,

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Speaker 3: you have such an incredible instrument and such a range

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Speaker 3: want something from you technically, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: and and and that you know that like I I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm someone that can really appreciate a voice like yours

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Speaker 3: and admire it and also appreciate Bob Dylan, you know,

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Speaker 4: There are times where I wish I was I I

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Speaker 3: journey or where you've ended up. Does it ever take

434
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Speaker 3: you by some prize? Do you ever stop and go

435
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: I'm surprised, like something like something really surprises you.

436
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the time. Well, first of all, let me

437
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 4: bring it down here. Yes, I'm very proud of those

438
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 4: zeitgeist moments that I'm a part of, but they are

439
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: like once each decade, So in between them, there's a

440
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Speaker 4: lot of uh am I going to work again, obscurity moments,

441
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: getting dropped from record deals, you know, different things that

442
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 4: maybe are the things that give us the enduring, you know,

443
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Speaker 4: the endurance that we need to stay afloat and keep

444
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: wanting to be in this business. Maybe, so that's not

445
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 4: all like it happens to me, and then it goes away.

446
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Speaker 4: So then I have to appre I appreciate where I've

447
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 4: been and that I had to work myself back up

448
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: to get there. And so yeah, but but yes, I'm

449
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: starting to say to myself, now, oh there's a nice

450
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: there's a nice pattern. They're of these these beautiful roles

451
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 4: that are all sort of all connect with like a

452
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 4: young audience, no matter how much older I keep getting.

453
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 4: It's about really helping people embody and and and be uh,

454
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Speaker 4: their their strength and the you know, celebrating the the

455
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: unsung hero, the the maybe the marginalized person or whatever.

456
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 4: What is that about? What is it about for me?

457
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: That?

458
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: And so chicken or the egg? Of course, I don't know.

459
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: I'm just I don't look at gift horse in the mouth.

460
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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm happy because I don't know. I don't

461
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 4: know why I have I'm just very seekful. I mean, yeah,

462
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Speaker 4: maybe I have a way of recording, I have a

463
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 4: way my voice has something in it, you know. I

464
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 4: don't know. I just I know that when the understudy

465
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: comes on, nobody they all still come in and watch

466
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: the show. They don't leave, they don't all return their tickets.

467
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 4: So it's obviously this I always see is my way

468
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: of putting myself down. And like Kevin Bagin's, give me

469
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: a couple of it. Just take it, you know, just

470
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: shut up. Yes, I'm amazing. I don't know why.

471
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: It's because you have the ability to find the humanity

472
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: in a witch, you know. I mean, like, so that's

473
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: that's really what it's about, you know, for for an

474
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: audience to sit there and and you know, see a

475
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Speaker 3: witch and find humanity or or an animated character and

476
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 3: you know, bring it to life. I think that's really

477
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: to me that that's what that's what that's what I

478
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Speaker 3: would I feel. Thank you, you know, and thank you

479
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: for pointing out that we do have peaks and valleys

480
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Speaker 3: in our careers, because so often people just look from

481
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Speaker 3: afar and you know, I think that at a certain point,

482
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: not everyone thinks that the struggle is over. And I

483
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever talked to an actor that just goes, okay,

484
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Speaker 3: that's it now. I can just ca I did it.

485
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: I can just kick back, you know. It's it's we're

486
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: we're we're because we've all been unemployed and because we

487
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: well I can't talk for everybody, I can tell you

488
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: for myself. If I'm when a job ends, that's not

489
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: a vacation, that's like the beginning of the hunt for

490
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: the next day. So like I've tried to learn in

491
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Speaker 3: my life.

492
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Speaker 4: To enjoy that time a.

493
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Speaker 3: Week, no, not really, but to take a week to

494
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Speaker 3: actually call something a vacation, right, because I know that

495
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: the time in between is not it's I mean, I'm

496
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: getting a little better at it, but but but I

497
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: do think that, you know, I'll mention to people, well,

498
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Speaker 3: you know, that was a really kind of a rough time,

499
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: and you know, in my career, they're like, what what,

500
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: why are you what are you talking about? Because they

501
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: just don't nobody can really like understand that there are

502
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: these peoples and valleys and that, as you pointed out,

503
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: we are oftentimes very very hard in ourselves.

504
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Speaker 4: But even within the job, even within the I'm sorry, no, no, no,

505
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: and in the job and for me, I'm going back

506
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 4: and forth to theater and film and TV and record

507
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: it in a studio which is a very solitary place,

508
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: and then being on tour in front of lots of

509
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: people singing myself, you know, like I feel like I

510
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: never my Like right now I'm doing a film and

511
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: I always feel like it's the first time because I'm

512
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 4: going back and forth to different medium. So the muscle

513
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm flexing is always I'm like, wait, what camera is

514
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: as closed as this?

515
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: What?

516
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Speaker 4: You know? I just I never feel experienced when I

517
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: go back to something, even the same with going back

518
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: to do the stage thing, and it's like, and that's

519
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: beautiful that there's I'm not it's not predictable, but I

520
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: also like to feel like an expert once in a while,

521
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: and I never do.

522
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Speaker 3: You know, Wow, I just want want to ask you

523
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: one more, uh show biz question, and that is about

524
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: Uncut Gems, which is one of my favorite movies. I

525
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: absolutely love that movie. I loved you in the movie,

526
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: you know, Adam Sandler was fantastic and and Kevin Garnett,

527
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a what a what a performance

528
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Speaker 3: uh ag gave. I mean I just was like not

529
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: knocked out by that. I'm not expecting it, and uh,

530
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Speaker 3: I just wanted to, you know, ask what that what's that?

531
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Speaker 3: What is that like with the Softy Brothers, Like, I mean,

532
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: it just the movie has such a like a crazy

533
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: energy fanaticism.

534
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: Yeah he as, It's not as chaotic as it feels

535
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Speaker 4: because I was actually trying to think about that when

536
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: I was on set, like how did they Once I

537
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 4: saw them, was thinking, how did they achieve this? What

538
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: is it? Is it the steady cam?

539
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Speaker 3: Is the thing?

540
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Speaker 4: Is it the environment? They said on set? I mean

541
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Speaker 4: for Will has two of them, right, and Ben Benny

542
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: Saffie holds the boom really so he's yeah, so he's

543
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: like holding them boom. By the way, he's an amazing actor.

544
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Speaker 4: People probably don't realize that he's starting to do more

545
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 4: and more, but he's an incredible actor. You know, you're

546
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: starting to see him in a lot of things. But

547
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: he holds the boom and gives you direction right there

548
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: and then good yeah. And then you have his brother

549
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: behind the monitor and they're both yelling out things to you.

550
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: Most of the time they're in sick Sometimes they're and

551
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Speaker 4: they're contradicting one another.

552
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Speaker 3: But faster slower, faster slower.

553
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, or it's more like, okay, leave the script alone

554
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: and it just improvise it and then they're like, okay,

555
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: go back to the lines. I'm like, what the fuck

556
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: are the lines anymore? But that's why Anam was just

557
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: I just want him to get his his his due.

558
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: I think he is now, but he's just God. It's

559
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: just really easy, you know. I mean it would be

560
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: the same with you. I mean people that are just

561
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: inhabit the character and the world. All you have to

562
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: do is to listen and then I sort of relaxed myself.

563
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: He's just incredible that way. So, I it was so

564
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: much fun. Plus it was a darker film for me.

565
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, it's not it's not a Disney princess.

566
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to break out once in a while.

567
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm trying to access the other parts of

568
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: my character and my personality that people aren't aware of

569
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: when you play a Disney princess. And uh, so that

570
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 4: was fun to just do something a little darker.

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Speaker 3: Well, you were fantastic in the movie, And for people

572
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: that haven't seen it, go check out in uncut gems.

573
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: It's it's a really good movie and it's it is dark,

574
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: but but she's awesome in it, and uh and and

575
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: definitely not a Disney princess, so it's it's good.

576
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Disney Jersey no long Island Princess.

577
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: Now, I want to talk about a broader way, which

588
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: is the foundation that you started. So we're going to

589
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: bring out your executive director, Tori. Yourbeard is here, so

590
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: tell me how did you guys meet?

591
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Speaker 4: We have a mutual friend named Philip McAdoo, right, who

592
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: is in Lion King and Toy is in Lion King. Yes,

593
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: how did I meet Philip? Philip through Tay my ex. Anyway,

594
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: we we met and Janine too? Sorry wait is that how? Yeah?

595
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: So Geno stories as as most of you out there,

596
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Speaker 4: I know, very wonderful and very successful Broadway composer and

597
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 4: and so okay, I had this vision. I had gone

598
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Speaker 4: to summer camp for the six years of my life.

599
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Speaker 4: I was very lucky to do that. It was a

600
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Speaker 4: very bunch of entitled girls in a camp. And as

601
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Speaker 4: I got older and I started to have some of

602
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: these roles that were and that were really connecting me

603
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: to young women, mostly young boys too, or theys as

604
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: we would say now, but kids really searching for themselves

605
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Speaker 4: in our identity. I found that I wanted kids to

606
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Speaker 4: have this experience of going into getting out of the city,

607
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: going up into the country, being able to rewrite them

608
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Speaker 4: the themselves, rediscover themselves as young people during the summer,

609
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: and use the arts to help them do that. So

610
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Speaker 4: I called, actually called George Wolf and said, will you

611
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Speaker 4: help me with this? And he said no, but you

612
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: should call Janine And he said no in a lupping way,

613
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: he was busy at the time, that you should call Jeanine.

614
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Speaker 4: And then Janine brought in Toria and this whole team

615
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: of wonderful, beautiful people that are now my good friends

616
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: that run that run this with us. And so what

617
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 4: we had started with thirty girls from mostly Harlem on

618
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Speaker 4: the Lower East Side, and now we're not going on

619
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Speaker 4: a twelfth yere door. Yes we are young. The youngest

620
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Speaker 4: girls have now come around and are going to be

621
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Speaker 4: counselors and are taking sort of ownership of the foundation. Itself.

622
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Speaker 4: And that's always kind of what we hoped for, that

623
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Speaker 4: we would sort of be able to step back a

624
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Speaker 4: little and let let them do their thing.

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Speaker 3: Is it well, is it in the summer or all

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Speaker 3: the time?

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Speaker 5: Be a round the campus in the summer every summer

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Speaker 5: the program is on year round.

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Speaker 4: It's grown. Yeah, because we realized that sorry, after the

630
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: like ten days of being together, that it wasn't you

631
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Speaker 4: know how like after a film you have a you crash,

632
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Speaker 4: you could come down from all these wonderful people and

633
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: this incredible experience you've had. And then so especially with

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Speaker 4: these young people that we were with, I mean they

635
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: were going back, some of them going back into environments

636
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Speaker 4: that were challenging for them, and we just we wanted

637
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Speaker 4: to stay connected, and so we had to keep raising

638
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Speaker 4: money in order to keep the the programs throughout the year.

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Speaker 3: So tell me what the experience would Let's just start

640
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Speaker 3: with the camp. Let's say what would what would the

641
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Speaker 3: experience be for for the for for the girl who

642
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Speaker 3: goes through that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want to go a Dina? Do you

644
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Speaker 4: do it? So?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

646
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's ever changing.

647
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Speaker 5: Yes, it is that. I guess I'll tell you about

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Speaker 5: what it's like first, and then we'll talk about this

649
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Speaker 5: ever changing aspect because is that is that's like one

650
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: of the coolest parts of it to me. But camp

651
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 5: is the beginning of the broader way journey. So you

652
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 5: start camp, you would start camp between in the summer

653
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 5: between fifth and sixth grade, and be welcomed by a

654
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 5: whole bunch of people who are super excited to meet you,

655
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: who feel like they know you already because they've been

656
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: staring at your photos or your audition submissions, speaking to

657
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 5: your parents, speaking to you, and trying as best as

658
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 5: you know they can to get to know you. And

659
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: then we do an orientation, a lot of like contract

660
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 5: building with the community, our community to say, like what

661
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 5: languages do we what language do we want to use,

662
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 5: how do we want to treat each other? All of

663
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 5: those things, and then much fun ensues after that. Many

664
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: classes and what we used to call fundamentals, but that

665
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 5: has so have expanded over the years, Like they take

666
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: many many classes and many creative disciplines, filmmaking, choreography, dance,

667
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 5: vocal music, what else, theater, spoken word.

668
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 4: A lot of fine arts stuff they have. We we've

669
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: moved around, but the facilities that were able to lease

670
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 4: the space from usually have these great, great facilities so

671
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: they can they do a lot of like painting as well.

672
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: And it's an overnight. It's an overnight in summer.

673
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: Like ten days over. And yeah, and we should say that,

674
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: we say audition, but we are first thirty girls. All

675
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: we had what thirty girls audition and we took.

676
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: All thirty that's audition only kind.

677
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because we're finding that it's the arts. It's

678
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: not just about what your quote talents are. The arts are,

679
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: like we were talking about before Toy came on, Kevin,

680
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: you know, it's about empathy. It's about walking to someone

681
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: else's footsteps and understanding other people's experience in life. And

682
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: for a lot of these young women, I keep saying,

683
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: I keep hesitating toward because I want to we're struggling

684
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: with how we how do we say it because we

685
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: want to be inclusive of everyone.

686
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, we it's every evolving as we get more information

687
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 5: back from the folks in our community. But we were

688
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: saying young women and films or female identifying young folks,

689
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: and now really I think we're moving towards saying young

690
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 5: women and people on the gender expansion or gender expression spectrum.

691
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: That's awesome, that's fantastic.

692
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: But the point being that they that they all we

693
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 4: all need to find our voice and like and that,

694
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 4: you know, I relate to it because I feel like

695
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: everyone thinks I have this huge voice and that means

696
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: I can find a way to express myself on my

697
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 4: own personal life because I have to speak voice. But

698
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 4: it's not true. I'm constantly searching that voice and how

699
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: to you know, challenge tackle things in the world. And

700
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: and and you assume I made them. I made the

701
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: misconception of assuming that these girls were from really tough neighborhoods,

702
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: so to speak, which was a misconception to begin with,

703
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: and then assuming they were going to come in and

704
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 4: be loud and often they were actually really shy and insecure,

705
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 4: and we needed to help them even just be proud

706
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: of saying their name and introducing themselves. So it's the art.

707
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: I'm not doing a good job at this tour. I'm

708
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: a little out of practice, but like using these the

709
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: arts are so much more than just for the kid

710
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: that can kick their leg up to their head or

711
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: sing out some great no you know, it's they help

712
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: these our young and really find who they are. And

713
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: experiment was all different kinds of it was all different

714
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: kinds of creative outlets to do that.

715
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: Toria, let me ask you, you are a performer, and

716
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: what was it about your own experience. I don't know

717
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: a whole lot about your history, but that made you

718
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: think that this was something that you wanted to get

719
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: involved with, because obviously, whenever anybody is out there doing

720
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: good work, there's always a million other things that you

721
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: could be doing. Was there something in your life that

722
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: kind of drove you towards this? And also sort of

723
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 3: two poor question, what is it that you get out

724
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: of it?

725
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, first, I started my artistic journey as a dancer,

726
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 5: and I had wonderful mentors, but I was also in

727
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 5: small dance companies or smaller regional dance companies at in

728
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 5: the beginning, and we had to do a lot of outreach.

729
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 4: It was part of how the.

730
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: Companies made money or earned, you know, money or grants

731
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 5: or whatever to exist to sustain themselves. So I started

732
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: teaching at a very young age, and I had teaching

733
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 5: modeling to me at a young age.

734
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: So from that once.

735
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 5: I began to develop my own practice as an educator

736
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: and also deep in my practice as an artist.

737
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: It was it became very important to.

738
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 5: Me for really using teaching dance specifically as a way

739
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 5: of connecting with young people and as a way of

740
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 5: expanding all of our like our vision about what life

741
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 5: can be. So, like Adina said, I had been working

742
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 5: with Philip to develop some programs with young folks around

743
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: New York and in South Africa at the time, and

744
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 5: it was just part it's part of my personal mission.

745
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: I love spending time with young people.

746
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: I have grown so much, like my world has completely

747
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: opened up because of this opportunity to partner with Adina

748
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 5: and everyone else at a broader way, including the young folks.

749
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: I have seen myself change. I've seen the way I

750
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 5: think about myself and my place in the world has

751
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 5: changed because of a broader way. I understand accountability in

752
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: a very different way. And I also learned at a

753
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 5: certain point, maybe like a little bit more than halfway

754
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: through my time out of Bay, which started in the beginning,

755
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 5: that as much as I think I'm teaching, if I

756
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 5: will just stop talking, I can.

757
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: Actually learn a lot.

758
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 5: So I have learned so much from the young folks

759
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 5: that I am in collaboration with, even as a mentor.

760
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: You know, now I have a different idea of what

761
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 5: that can be. I think peer mentorship is important. I

762
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 5: think it's important to allow ourselves to be mentored by

763
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: people who are younger and maybe less experienced in certain

764
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 5: ways than we are. So and it's been so wonderful

765
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 5: to continue to work with Adina as your I mean,

766
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: I feel like we're so different now than we were

767
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 5: in the beginning, but we've you know, sometimes people grow apart,

768
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 5: and I feel like we've continued to grow together, which

769
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 5: is so beautiful.

770
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think that you've You've what I've

771
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: been working on a lot in my life in the

772
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: past few years is just shutting up and listening. That's

773
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: and you can imagine, as you can imagine, that's been

774
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: very challenging for a guy like me. But it really,

775
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: it really is a really really uh I think that's

776
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: a really good lesson. That's really uh the inspiring to

777
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: hear you hear you say that, and tell me a

778
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: little bit, Torri about the about the impact that you've

779
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: seen on some of these uh people that that that

780
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: have attended the program or or continue to come back

781
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: or or I think I think you mentioned that they

782
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: sometimes end up working there.

783
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: Wow, let me think about that. I mean, I've seen.

784
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: Young people go from being very shy and withdrawn to

785
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: being fierce advocates for themselves and other people. I've seen

786
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 5: the realization that, you know, if I am the first

787
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 5: person in my family to go to college, I don't

788
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 5: have to pick like a safe career, or I don't

789
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 5: have to follow the path that I've seen other people follow.

790
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 4: I can chart my own course. I can do something different.

791
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 5: And most recently, one of our original campers we call

792
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 5: them the ogs, joined our board of directors. Oh wow,

793
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 5: that's a massive and we have many that are counselors

794
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 5: and that work with us in other capacities, But that

795
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 5: that was the mark I think we were we've all

796
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: been waiting for. And to have her voice in there,

797
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 5: like guiding the organization is incredible.

798
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: Are the counselors. Are the counselors people that are professionals

799
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: in the industry or people that you know that people

800
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: come up and do sort of like drop in seminars.

801
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: I mean, tell me about the staff.

802
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 5: Both they're both professionals and some people drop in. Adina's

803
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 5: brought in many incredible guest artists, and then we have

804
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 5: a roster of creative team members that say we know

805
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: or anybody knows that wants to come and work with

806
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 5: the young person. Thing is is that once they do

807
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 5: it one year, they typically always want to do it,

808
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 5: so the roster doesn't rotate as much as it as

809
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 5: it could, I suppose. But the counselors are usually young

810
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 5: people who are studying social work or social justice or nursing,

811
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 5: you know, people who really have the desire to work

812
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 5: with young people in this capacity because you know, it's

813
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 5: hard to be away from home. Like Adina was saying

814
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 5: in the beginning, some of these young people have never

815
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: been away from home, or they they've never been outside

816
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 5: of the city environment. So you know, the bugs, the darkness,

817
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 5: there's a lot.

818
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, sure, yeah, yeah, wow, that's amazing. So then

819
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: in the rest of the year, tell me about the

820
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: other programs that happened outside of the summer camp.

821
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 4: Mhm.

822
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: We so we have a school year program for the

823
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 5: younger participants and they do many of their workshops, but

824
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 5: we we most like they'll do like choreography workshops, and

825
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 5: we meet up every month to do like what what

826
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 5: we call a workshop. But it's really like a long

827
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 5: check in and we usually have a topic that are

828
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: something that's happening that we are gathering around and discussing.

829
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: We have guest artists come in and just guest speakers.

830
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 5: And then we started a program named after Jeanine Tasori,

831
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 5: which is is an authorship program, so they make work

832
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 5: mentored by professionals in choreography, songwriting, filmmaking and spoken work.

833
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: So that's been really important to Torri and myself, especially

834
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: that we weren't just this camp in the beginning and

835
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: this organization that the kids were doing a bunch of

836
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 4: revivals of shows that they don't even have a connection

837
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: to or you know, And so for us, it was

838
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 4: about how can we allow them to create and help

839
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: them execute their own visions. So Janine would have them

840
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 4: write a lot in the beginning. We found that their

841
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 4: writing turned into their spoken word or so while someone

842
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: was performing their spoken word their poem, someone else was

843
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 4: choreographing a modern piece behind them, and then someone else

844
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 4: would compose music to going to neither that kind of thing,

845
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 4: and then we'd have more of like a recital where

846
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: we felt was the celebration of all of their work

847
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 4: and teaching them that theyre authors of their own lives

848
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 4: and you know as well, and that they have that

849
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: we want to we want to hear and see what

850
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: they have to offer.

851
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: So it sounds like you're not doing a production of

852
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: Footloose there.

853
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: Not out of the rol up possibility.

854
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not, but it could use a little bit

855
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: of an update, I think.

856
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 4: But yeah, we would just su mess with it a little.

857
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: I think you'd have to. Well, that is really incredible.

858
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, Adina, I know that from myself, stepping into

859
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: this world was like of you know, trying to figure

860
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 3: out how to in some way give back or use

861
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: whatever kind of celebrity you have to do something in

862
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: a positive way. Was a little like was overwhelming, and

863
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: actually sometimes continues to be kind of overwhelming. But it's

864
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: but it feels as though you found something that's just

865
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: very much a natural fit with you and where your

866
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: your heart lives. And certainly to find Toria, you know,

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Speaker 3: and and for you guys to get connected and be

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Speaker 3: able to put this thing together is you must feel

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Speaker 3: really good about it.

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Speaker 4: I do. She she and the whole our whole group.

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Speaker 4: They've made me a better person. Honestly, I've learned. I

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Speaker 4: learned more from Toria, the our staff, and our young campers.

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Speaker 4: I've learned more about myself through them than they probably

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Speaker 4: have learned from me. But yes, it is very rewarding

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Speaker 4: and and we I think what we pride ourselves on

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Speaker 4: is that we are malleable and that we are learning

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Speaker 4: and growing. And we we always had this uh illustration

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Speaker 4: of a of a tree that we sort of have

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Speaker 4: these roots that we all need, you know, in the ground,

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Speaker 4: that hold us strong and steadfast, and then we have

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Speaker 4: our branches. But branches can't be brittle otherwise we break.

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Speaker 4: So we have to be able to move and grow

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Speaker 4: and evolve. And it's kind of something that we take

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Speaker 4: an image we take with us and I think as

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Speaker 4: an organization we're doing that as well. And so we

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Speaker 4: so tell us how hold each other accountable.

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Speaker 3: Tell us thank you, tell us how people can help out,

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Speaker 3: how they can where they go to find out what

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Speaker 3: you're doing, to to donate or to volunteer, or how

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Speaker 3: they can get involved.

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Speaker 5: W w W do people even still say that BroaderWay

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Speaker 5: dot org a broader Way dot org?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you can, like just you could you could

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Speaker 4: sponsor a camper just to get started, like one camper

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Speaker 4: for the summer would be amazing help.

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Speaker 3: You know the greatest idea. I love that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they can get in touch and it will

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Speaker 4: help them, will make it easy for them to help.

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Speaker 3: That is awesome. Yes, ser well, thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 4: Amazing you for having us on and allowing us to

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Speaker 4: shine light on this organization and just letting me hang

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Speaker 4: out and talk with you is a big buffet list

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Speaker 4: thing for me.

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Speaker 3: It was really fun, I really really fun, And thank

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Speaker 3: you both and I will see you down the road.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, thanks for listening to another episode of six Degrees.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to learn more about A Broader

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Speaker 2: Way and all the good work that they are up to,

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Speaker 2: head to our website, a Broader Way dot org.

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Speaker 3: You can find all the links in our show notes, and.

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Speaker 2: If you like what you hear, make sure you subscribe

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Speaker 2: to the show and tune into.

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Speaker 3: The rest of our episodes. You can find six Degrees

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Speaker 3: wherever you get your podcasts. We'll see you next time.

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