1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Today. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: I'm joined by actress Danielle Panabaker to talk about her 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: new Lifetime movie, Crowning at the Prom. Danielle plays Abigail, 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: a devoted single mother whose daughter Kat appears to have 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: the perfect life. She's an honor student, a standout athlete, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: and on the verge of becoming prom queen. But behind 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: that carefully crafted image, Kat is hiding a secret that 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: threatens to unravel everything she's worked so hard to achieve. 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: According to Lifetime, Crowning at the Prom was inspired by 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: real life events, though it's not based on any one 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: specific case. 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: So before we get to my conversation. 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: With Danielle, my producer and I are talking about two 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: real crimes that share striking themes with the film, Concealed pregnancies, 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: crushing expectations, and the devastating consequences that can follow when 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: fear and shame convinced someone they have nowhere to turn. Okay, Hannah, Hi, 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: let's chat it up here about this these I mean, 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: I hate to always use the word unfathomable. But I 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: don't quite know what else to call them. But okay, 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: these crimes. The first is the Melissa Drexler case, better 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: known as the prom mom case. She was eighteen years old, 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: went to her senior prom in New Jersey, gave birth 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: in a restroom during the dance, and reportedly wrapped the 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: baby in plastic bags, put it in the garbage can, 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: and then went out and ate a salad. Meanwhile, no 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: one hit the prom even knew that she had been 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: pregnant in the first place. 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, this is. 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: Almost impossible to wrap your head around, crazy to think about. Yeah, 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean that she so she Melissa Drexer. So, Melissa 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: Drexler had hidden her pregnancy from her parents, her friends, 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: even the baby's father. Like, how how does someone keep 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: something that enormous a secret for nine months? 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: For nine months? 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: I mean, can you you've been pregnant. I've been pregnant. 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: I couldn't keep it quiet for like three days. I 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: was like, I don't feel right, you know, one. 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: Hundred percent same and it's you. 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, eighteen years old is a very scary 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: situation to be pregnant, and it's a different circumstance, but 44 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: it was, Yeah, between the symptoms that you're dealing with 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: of whether you're sick or not, even just like the bloating, 46 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: the boobs swelling, the yes, you know, like I think 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 3: that is crazy to me. You do hear these stories 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: all the time about women who didn't know they were pregnant, 49 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: and you were just like, after going through pregnancy, You're like, 50 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: how is. 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: That now possible? Earth? 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: And then I wonder, Okay, was it? Is it partially 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: because of her age? I mean probably there's less you 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: sort of you're just more. You're just stronger and more 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: robust when you're eighteen than I mean, I was forty 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: one when I had my daughter, So I say it 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: is different, but yeah, like I can't imagine what she's 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: emotionally carrying around every day for all of that time, 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: Like how I just I agree. 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: I even think my mom was twenty one when she 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: got pregnant with my brother and didn't know for six 62 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: to seven months, And I right, I'm like, how did 63 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: you not know the symptoms? And I think she's like 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: I was just so young. I just didn't like, I wasn't. 65 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: Tracking my period. I didn't think about that every day. 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: I was under a lot of stress in other areas 67 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: that she's like. 68 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: It just never crossed my mind. There weren't any like 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: period apps back. 70 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: Then, and no, no, she was like my symptoms I 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: just chalked up to being hormonal in a sense of 72 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: like the bees hurting and things like that, like that 73 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: happens during a period. There's there's so many And she 74 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: never got sick with that first pregnancy that was my brother, and. 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: So that's incredible in and of itself. 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that, like the morning sickness, 77 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: even if you don't even if you don't vomit, it's 78 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: still like, I mean, at least for me, I could. 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: I was a hot mess. 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: I didn't have a morning sickness, but I was very 81 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: nauseous with my first and like I had a lot 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: of food a versions to just being completely grossed out 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: by so many foods I was normally eating. Yep, that 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: in my mind at that time. I mean, I was 85 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: thirty two, I think, and I was like I at 86 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: that time, I was. We were also trying, right, so 87 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: it was at the top of mine. You're hyper aware 88 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: of what's going. 89 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: But I guess at eighteen you're just like you don't. 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: You also don't recognize the consequences of having sex at 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: that age, right, You're just having fun and experimenting and 92 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: doing these sort of things. 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:54,559 Speaker 1: You don't everything. 94 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: You're an eighteen year old brain can't fathom. 95 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: It's not going to happen to you. Exactly. That always happens. 96 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: But this he is crazy to me, So so the second. 97 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: So then the other case that this is like is 98 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: there's Amy Grosberg and Brian Peterson. They were both eighteen 99 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: college freshmen dating long distance after high school, and Amy 100 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 2: hid her pregnancy from everyone, and the baby was born 101 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: in a. 102 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Delaware hotel room. 103 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: So one of the things that these two cases have 104 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: in common is the depth of violence and indifference to 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: human life of this baby. 106 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: It's just staggering to me. 107 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: So in the Grosberg case, the autopsy said the cause 108 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: of death was shaking and skull fractures caused by blunt force. 109 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, these were not. 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: Destitute, off the grid kids, right, who disappeared from society 111 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: and were off the map. I mean they were going 112 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: to school, they were seeing friends or living what looked 113 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: like completely normal lives. 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: How I can't really. 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Fathom this, and then they both, Melissa Drexer and Amy 116 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: Grosberg eventually pleaded guilty to manslaughter after initially facing murder charges. 117 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: It's just heartbreaking. I'm I can't imagine. And again I 118 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: feel like it goes back. I mean the second case 119 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: they were a bit older. But as far as like 120 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: the first case, we were talking about Melissa Dexler, she at 121 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: that said brain development at that and I'm not excusing 122 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: any behavior right now, but it's like some explanation, it's 123 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: the fear taking over. 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: It's you know, I. 125 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: Would like to think at eighteen years old, I definitely 126 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: one hundred percent would not react that way, right, And 127 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: so I do think there is another element to it. 128 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: But I think also like there's so many things that 129 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: play into. 130 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: These people's lives, faes, family dynamics, that piece of it. 131 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: Neither of them felt that they could tell the people 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 2: close to them what was happening, which to me, that's 133 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: the most heartbreaking part. 134 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Even telling a friend. 135 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Right, Like in the movie that I'm going to speak 136 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: with Danielle about, at least the main character, Kat did 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: eventually tell her best friend, so she had a little 138 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: bit of a comrade sort of, but way far along, right. 139 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: These people didn't tell anyone, And I just it's so heartbreaking. 140 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: It's so heartbreaking. 141 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: And in the movie, I'm curious to, you know, for 142 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: you to talk with Danielle about this, because the character's mother, 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: the main character's mother who Danielle plays, went through the 144 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: same situation at the same age, and so is it's 145 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: hard still to be like, how could she not tell 146 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: her mother who had experienced the same thing. 147 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: But there's just so. 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: Much trauma and the pressure on these teenagers, and I 149 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: can I go back to the brain development of just 150 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: like not fully thinking through the consequences of yes, these 151 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: sort of things, right. 152 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: And even feeling like the prom is more important to 153 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: some degree than this human life of this baby, you know, 154 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: really not understanding that that is partially has to be 155 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: brain development related and some kind of trauma, psychological something right. 156 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: And I feel like this first crime, the Melissa Drexlert, 157 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 3: we don't know what this movie crime is based on, 158 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: this one does feel similar in the sense that like 159 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: she had the baby in the bathroom at prom, right, 160 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: and then like kind of goes back out, which also 161 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: going through a rightborn delivery. 162 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: I just I couldn't even stand up. I couldn't either, 163 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: not to mention. It's just like. 164 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 3: Everything that comes out with a baby, right, where's the placenta? 165 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: Where is all these things? The blood that happens. It's 166 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: crazy to me that somebody could literally just get up 167 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: off the floor and go back to something and nobody 168 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: nobody noticed anything as well? 169 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: Right right, I completely agree. I mean, so both of 170 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: these cases happened around thirty years ago. Do you think 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: that the world has gotten better at talking to teenagers 172 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: about pregnancy and mental health and asking for help. 173 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: I like to think that, you know, we are in 174 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: a better place now that parents are more open to 175 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 3: talking with their teens about pregnancy and things like that, 176 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 3: and teenagers feel more comfortable being able to go to 177 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: their parents. There's a lot more resources now. But there 178 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: was even a moment within the last year of this 179 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: cheerleader at the University of Kentucky where they found an 180 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: infant she had given birth to in a trash bag 181 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: in her closet. I'm not sure, God, I can't remember 182 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: the specific on how they found this and kind of 183 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: what transpired, but yeah, it's it's like this is still 184 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: happening today, which is so heartbreaking. 185 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: And it's just like closet it just leaving it in 186 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: your closet. I don't, I can't. It's it's such a 187 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: mind bender, like I really can't. 188 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: Conceive of it. I can't even fathom it. It's so sick. 189 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: It's so this is a human life. Like you think 190 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: about when your daughter was born and my children were 191 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: born and just those little faces that you're just I 192 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: could not even that's second they were born. It was like, 193 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: I want nothing bad, I want to I have to 194 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: protect this thing. Like this instinct kicks in that you 195 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: just have to protect this baby against all everything, and 196 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: you will do anything it takes. So it is so hard, 197 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: even though you like you want to think about their 198 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: age and things like that. 199 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: There's just no world and there's no excuse. 200 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: But it's it's crazy. It's so crazy. It's it's so violent. 201 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: I mean, this is just heartbreaking. These stories and the 202 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: I can't speak for what these real life situations, but 203 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: the character in this movie, you just you feel so 204 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: bad for her in a sense of the pressure she 205 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 3: feels and what she feels that she has to achieve, 206 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 3: and that is really what is driving all of her 207 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: decisions to not be making good decisions for her, for 208 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: the baby, for anybody that ultimately leads you know what 209 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: happens in the end of this movie. But it's I 210 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: like to think things are definitely more open now and 211 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: there's better resources. 212 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: I like to think, at least I like to think 213 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: that too. Well. 214 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: I am really looking forward to this chat with Danielle, 215 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: so I think I'm going to get into it. 216 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: Thanks Hannah, Thank you. 217 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear your conversation with Danielle. 218 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Danielle, Welcome to Killer Thriller. Thank you so much. I'm 219 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: happy to be here. I'm so thrilled to talk to you. 220 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: Congratulations on the movie. Thank you. 221 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: This this movie is really about so many important things 222 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: that young people and parents go through and have to manage, 223 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: and so for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, the 224 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: film centers on Kat, a smart, athletic high school senior 225 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: whose world is turned upside down when she discovers that 226 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: she's six months pregnant, and Danielle, you play Abigail, Kate's 227 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: single mom, who is dealing with her own life stress, 228 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: which we will get into. What was your first reaction 229 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: when you read the script? I, you know, so I 230 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: really liked the script obviously, because that's why I ended 231 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: up doing it, But I think there's so much I 232 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: could relate to as a mom, sort of from Abigail's perspective. 233 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 4: Obviously, she makes mistakes in this movie, and you know, 234 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: doesn't als communicate things effectively, But as a mom, you 235 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: want to do the best for your kids, and what's 236 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: best for your kids might not always look the way 237 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: you thought it would look. And I think there's a 238 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: really beautiful arc for Abigail in this movie. As she's 239 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 4: you know, pretty singularly focused on her daughter's success on 240 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 4: the crew team and what doors that might open for her, 241 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 4: and as they deal with this pregnancy, she really begins 242 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 4: to look at her own behavior and there's she apologized 243 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: this to her daughter ultimately. 244 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: Right right. I really appreciated that. 245 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: How you know, the whole film, it really isn't judging 246 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: Kat or Abigail, but it's really asking us to understand 247 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: and both of them really And you know, Kat is 248 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: carrying this enormous secret while she's trying to go to 249 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: school and study and train and you know, act like 250 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: nothing is wrong with all this immense pressure, and so 251 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 2: how aware do you think Abigail was of her part 252 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: in that. 253 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: In all those pressures. 254 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: I think initially not at all, because, like I said, 255 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 4: I think historically, you know, there's this idea that you 256 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: go to high school, you get good grades, and then 257 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: you get into a good college and that's going to 258 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 4: open doors for you. 259 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: And that was not an experience that Abigail had. 260 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 4: And so she's trying to do it differently for her daughter, 261 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: and in trying to do it differently, I feel that 262 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: she's maybe overcompensated a little bit, and instead of focusing 263 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: on how to set her daughter up for success in 264 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: the best way possible for Kat, Abigail's really stuck. 265 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: In her mentality in terms of what she thinks is 266 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: right for Kat. 267 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 4: So I think she struggles with that throughout the movie. 268 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: But I do think there's what I love about this 269 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: character and in this movie is that there is some 270 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: growth for her after she's I mean, you know, nothing 271 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: like your daughter coming home and saying she's pregnant to 272 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: really wake you up to what choices have led you 273 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: to this point. And I think she, you know, once 274 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: they deal with the initial shock of what's been going on, 275 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: the pregnancy and the eating disorder, and it allows her. 276 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: I think Abigail really does take the opportunity to reflect 277 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: on her part and things. And I think it's a 278 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: really beautiful moment in the film that you get to 279 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: see her apologize and really ask for cats forgiveness. 280 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: Yes, there's so much accountability and humility in that moment. 281 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, as a mom. 282 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: Same, I feel like it's we're as I'm watching this 283 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: as a viewer and going, oh God, please don't let 284 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: me ever do that, And then you think I maybe 285 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm doing that to some degree with something kind of 286 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: all the time, you know, absolutely, like what is that 287 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: balance of taking care and knowing I'm the grown up 288 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: so I do know better in some regard, but that 289 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: blindness that we kind of get and trying to really 290 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: ultimately when you just want. 291 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: The best for your job. 292 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: But sometimes I do think we're focusing on what our 293 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: values are. Like I think Abigail's value was like, you've 294 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 4: got to go to a great college, and the only 295 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 4: way we can do that is with the scholarships, and 296 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 4: the only the best way path, the best path forward 297 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: in this moment is for you to get an athletic scholarship. 298 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: So she's really focused on making that possible, not because 299 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: she wants her daughter to have an eating disorder, but 300 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: she wants to set her daughter up for success. 301 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: She wants her daughter to have that great education and 302 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: open all those doors. So it comes from a good place, 303 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: but the execution is flawed, a little flawed. 304 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: I was going to say, I mean that is one 305 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: of the most heartbreaking parts of the movie is that 306 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 2: Kat never tells her mom what's happening. Even though Abigail 307 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: we learned she became She herself became pregnant at eighteen, 308 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: So why do you think Kat couldn't bring herself to 309 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: tell the one person who might best have understood her. 310 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 4: Actually, my guess is that Abigail had a lot of 311 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 4: trauma and sadness and you know, challenges around becoming a 312 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: mom so young, and I think that was really difficult 313 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 4: just by virtue of what it was. But also Abigail 314 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 4: didn't have the support of her parents and she really 315 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 4: had to go at it alone. And I think that 316 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 4: story had been told to Kat, And you know, I 317 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 4: can empathize as well when your parents. My parents had 318 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: me really young, and I think that's a story that's 319 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 4: sort of ingrained in you and you feel guilty, You 320 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 4: feel badly that you changed their lives in a way 321 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: that maybe they maybe didn't want. And I think, intentionally 322 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 4: or not, I think Pat carried some of that and 323 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: so she didn't want to bring a greater burden to 324 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: her mom or also, you know, have history repeat itself, right, right? 325 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: So I think that every parent who's watching this movie 326 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: is going to ask themselves, well, you know, would my 327 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: child tell me? And every teenager wondering would I tell anyone? 328 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: Or how you know, do you ever think about what 329 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: you personally would have done? 330 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 4: Oh, that's an interesting question if I was a teenager, 331 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: because I think I definitely was looking at it from 332 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: a perspective more as a mom. If I was a teenager, 333 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 4: to be honest, I don't think I would have felt 334 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: safe telling my parents either. So you know, I empathize 335 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 4: with Kat and Abigail's situation. 336 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: Right. 337 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: It is a sort of so crazy too, because these 338 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: these you know, what she does is so extreme and 339 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: you think, of course, I could never do something like that, 340 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: But the reality is, when it's one thing after another, 341 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: it's sort of like a slow burn of all of 342 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: these things together, it turns and then you know the 343 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: reality is we only we respond to what's happening, and 344 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: you can't really imagine what it's like I suppose to 345 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: be in her position. 346 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 4: You know, we can try, and that's what I think 347 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 4: we're hopefully trying to do as storytellers when we make 348 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: this movie, when we all come together. I mean, I 349 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 4: think Gonwin's fantastic in this movie. And you know, the 350 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 4: movie was written by two women and directed by a woman. 351 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 4: Like there was a lot of female energy boarded into this, 352 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: so I think we all tried to be as empathetic 353 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: as possible. 354 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you certainly succeeded. 355 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: So the the movie eventually addresses anorexia athletica. It's an 356 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 2: eating disorder driven by compulsive, extra size and restrictive eating. 357 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: I've spoken publicly about my own anorexia and my recovery. 358 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: For many years. 359 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: I've I'm very committed to making this, you know, removing 360 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: the stigma surrounding it, so, you know, and I was. 361 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: I remember it being very painful for my parents, in 362 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: particular for my mom to watch me essentially disappear and 363 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: be impotent, you know, to help. 364 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: And there was. 365 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: Also an element of denial for a long time on 366 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: her part. So as Abigail, do you think that she 367 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: was in respect to the eating disorder? Do you think 368 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: that she was in denial or she was just too 369 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: caught up with her own concerns to really notice. 370 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of things. I think, yes. 371 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I have incredible sympathy for you know, Abigail 372 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 4: as a single mom, Like I have an incredible partner, 373 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 4: and our life would be possible if. 374 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: We didn't work together. 375 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: And I can't imagine how challenging it must have been 376 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 4: for her for Abigail to raise Cat on her own 377 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: without the sport, not only of a partner, but not 378 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 4: without her parents. Like I have a lot of empathy 379 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 4: for her. I think she was trying as hard as 380 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 4: she could. I you know, and again, I think she 381 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: became so focused on this idea of if you're successful 382 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: with your athletic career, that will change your life. It'll 383 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 4: open so many doors. So I'm not sure. I guess 384 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: there is a certain part of denial, And I think 385 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 4: it's this moment of you know, while it's a compromise 386 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 4: or a sacrifice, like yes, we're not getting ice cream 387 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 4: as a treat, but it's for this greater good to 388 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 4: get you into the college of your dreams, to get 389 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 4: you the job and the life of your dreams. 390 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: Right, it's like looking at the final result and not, 391 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: of course considering so much about how you get there. 392 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. 393 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: So one misconception that people still have is that eating 394 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 2: disorders are about food, and they're very much more about 395 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 2: control and perfectionism. And there's a cycle of shame that 396 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: exists along with the eating disort of really becoming a 397 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: part of your identity, if not your entire identity. You know, 398 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: for me, I remember the skinny body was It's like 399 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: it was physical evidence that I was succeeding, that I 400 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: was excelling. And you know, once you get on that train, 401 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: it's extraordinarily difficult to get off of it. And you know, 402 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: I remember how exhausting that was to try to convince 403 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 2: everyone and myself that I was okay, that this was 404 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: the right, you know, so much that people would say things, 405 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, they were worried about how I looked, and 406 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: that I turned that into oh that that's a check 407 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: mark in the right box, like that means I am extraordinary, 408 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: I am doing you know, I am achieving. 409 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 4: People are commenting, people are reacting. So I'm doing something 410 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 4: right because I'm getting a reaction. It doesn't matter that 411 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: it's a negative reaction. You're like, oh, I've gotten a reaction, right, 412 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 4: I'm on the right path exactly exactly. 413 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: So kat Uh spends a lot of time trying to 414 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: appear perfect obviously, and do you think that she's chasing 415 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: perfection or just trying to avoid disappointing everyone around her, 416 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, her mom or coach. 417 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. I think. 418 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, even from a visual perspective, when 419 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 4: you look at the wife that Abigail and kat have together, 420 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 4: like they live in a nice home, they're always put together, 421 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: like they're really composed, and so I think there is 422 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: an element of perfectionism, and you know, maybe a little 423 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: bit of this idea of we have to broadcast that 424 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 4: we're doing well even if we're not, like everything is fine, 425 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 4: don't worry, don't peek behind the curtain, like everything is great. 426 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 427 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 4: So I think there is a little bit of that, 428 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: and I think it's a little bit of a control thing, 429 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 4: you know, feeling out of control in their lives, in 430 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 4: particular for Abigail losing her job, I think being in 431 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 4: control of her weight is act could be a reaction 432 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: to that too. 433 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, let's talk about how. 434 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: Because to me, it seems utterly impossible, right to actually 435 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 2: hide a pregnancy for that long, and yet it isn't 436 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: because many people have done it, and I just wonder, like, 437 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: as a mom, can you imagine how you would feel 438 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 2: if this was your own daughter. 439 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: I suppose you're. 440 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 4: Right, it's also almost unfathomable, but a quick Google search 441 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: will show you that it does happen. 442 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it make news for a reason, but it happens. 443 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 4: And again, I think there's also an element of denial 444 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: in that. I think Cat's story is a little different 445 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 4: because she's young and an athlete and probably not getting 446 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 4: a regular period. But also there are other factors into 447 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 4: reasons why one might not know they're pregnant, So that's 448 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 4: part of it. And then yes, I absolutely think about 449 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: what could happen with my kids. My kids are quite young, 450 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 4: they're four and six, so hopefully we're a long way 451 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: away from that. But I do think there's we're in 452 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 4: this nice moment of parenting where we're trying to think 453 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: about the bigger picture, and you know, for me that 454 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 4: sort of permeates every aspect of my parenting, and that 455 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 4: I'm trying to raise good humans, not just you know, 456 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 4: obedient children certainly be frustrating at times, but hopefully we're 457 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 4: trying to take a step back and look at the 458 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 4: bigger picture and do things like keep you know, keep 459 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: a dialogue open. It's funny. Don't know if this is 460 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 4: accurate or not, but I read that one of the 461 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 4: things that kids remember the most is having dinner at 462 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: like a family table, having dinner, dinner together. Having dinner 463 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: together is something that is meaningful and sticks with kids. 464 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: So it's something I prioritize. 465 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 4: And sometimes it means we miss out on social opportunities, 466 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: or you know, we don't do certain sports because they're 467 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: so late in the day that we wouldn't be able. 468 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: To all sit and have dinner together. 469 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 4: I imagine that will change as they get older, but in 470 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: this moment, it is something I prioritize because I've got 471 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 4: this bigger goal of hopefully we can keep a conversation 472 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: and a dialogue open as a family. 473 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: I think that is in my daughter's fourteen and that 474 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: only becomes more and more important, even if it's sometimes 475 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 2: it turns into, especially at this age, a non conversation 476 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: because she doesn't want to talk about anything. But I 477 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: will say that that ritual of being together and also 478 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: of the meal itself right where it isn't that that 479 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: it is nourishing and it's a time where you can 480 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: have conversations and talk about the day. 481 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: And we would always used to do rosebud. 482 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 2: Thorn, yeah Rose, you know, and those things are so meaningful, 483 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 2: and you know, while we can't. 484 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: I certainly grew up. 485 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: We we had those family dinners, but we didn't have 486 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: the conversations, you know, And I think that's also generational. 487 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: I'm fifty five, so I you know, it was certainly 488 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: a different time, and it was more of a source 489 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: of like a painful experience of being at the table, 490 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: you know, And I'm sure that that contributed. I also 491 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: was an athlete, a gymnast, and you know, there were 492 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: many factors that. 493 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: Fed into me. 494 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: No pun intent to be developing my aercia. But you know, 495 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: I feel as though it's it's that it's that. Yeah, 496 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: it's that area of parenting where all we can do 497 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: is do the best that we can and then you 498 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: just let it go and. 499 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 4: Back to my initial point, like your your parents probably 500 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 4: thought they were doing the best they could by sitting 501 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 4: down and making everyone have family dinner together. You know, 502 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 4: my when I was a kid, you had to clear 503 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 4: your plate. It doesn't matter, it didn't matter how fair 504 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 4: you were, whatever, you always had to clear your plate. 505 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: These things are. 506 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 4: All done with good intentions, but maybe they don't always 507 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 4: have the intended consequences. 508 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: Right exactly, And that balance of what is too much 509 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: and what is too little? And this you know, to 510 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: your point, I also, my daughter, you manners are extraordinarily 511 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: important to us. 512 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: Please and thank you and all those things. 513 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: And how much of that or you know, looking someone 514 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: in the eye, how are you doing these things that 515 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: you don't know how much? It seems very simple, right, 516 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: like this is just how you exist as a human being, 517 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: as a grown person. You know, in society, this is 518 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: how you should behave But it can become these uh 519 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, you don't know how they're taking it. And 520 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: then in church of that of covering up, you know, 521 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: pretending like everything is fine when really it's not. You know, 522 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: that's such a it's a scary thing as a parent, 523 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: and I think that is really it's why this this 524 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: movie is really important. I feel like it covers a 525 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: lot of ground. And you know, in this film, Kat 526 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: doesn't she isn't arrested, and she isn't indicted for any crime, 527 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: but they do mention how she was close to that 528 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: because she truly was endangering the baby. 529 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: So and again those things that. 530 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: Quick Google search will show you that these things do 531 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: happen quite often. So what do you hope that parents 532 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: and young people watching this will take away from the film. 533 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: I hope it sparks conversation. I think about all of there. 534 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: Like you said, it does. The movie does cover a 535 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 4: lot and there's a lot of topics you can pick from, 536 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 4: and maybe each. 537 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: Night at the dinner table, it's a different conversation. But 538 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, what would you what. 539 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: Would happen if you were in Cats Shoots? Let's start 540 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 4: just with the anarexia, Like can you see that happening? 541 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 4: How would you cope with that? An unexpected pregnancy? What 542 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 4: would you do? How would you go about that? And 543 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: I think, you know, hopefully for parents, it's a nice 544 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: moment to reflect and say, what's my part in this? 545 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: And you know, how. 546 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 4: How can I do better? In particular for my specific child? 547 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 4: And I have two kids, so they actually each need 548 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 4: different things. 549 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: Right right, right, And it really is I think you can't, 550 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: as you said at the earlier, we really can't underestimate 551 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: how how difficult it is. I mean, I am not 552 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: a single mom, so I can't I really with that alone. 553 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: And then also the struggles of she loses her job 554 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: and then can't provide the life that this stream life 555 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: that she wants her daughter to have, and. 556 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: It's that that's a very real part of the world today. 557 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, Like I said, I think this all stems 558 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: from Abigail's intention. At least for Abigail, her intention is 559 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 4: to give her daughter the best life possible. 560 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: And in her. 561 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 4: Head she decided that it's this route of a scholarship, 562 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 4: so you can go to a good college and you 563 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 4: can have the best life possible. And I think she 564 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 4: just gets tunnel vision and doesn't stop to look and 565 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 4: see what else is happening? 566 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: Right right? 567 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a really important movie, and I 568 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: think you're wonderful in it, and everybody is great in it, 569 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: and it is crowning at the problem is streaming online time? 570 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: And what else? What are you working on next? Anything else? 571 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: You'd like to share. 572 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 4: I'm really excited about this movie and always looking for 573 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: new projects, so keep your fingers crossed. 574 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: Great well, I wish you the best. 575 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 4: You're lovely, this was such a fun You for taking 576 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 4: the time. 577 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to hear what cases you all are 578 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: interested in hearing about. 579 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: What are you watching that you want us to talk about? 580 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: What actors or producers or directors do you want to 581 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: hear from. 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