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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb and you well you've

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Speaker 1: downloaded all ball. Uh the I think the best and

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Speaker 1: most fun basketball podcasts you can find. And there's plenty

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Speaker 1: of other ones and they're they're all really good and

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Speaker 1: different what I try and do on this pod. It's

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Speaker 1: your first time listen. Um. Is I have friends all

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Speaker 1: over in the sport that I made. Some people that

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know through a friend and I

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Speaker 1: reach out to him and then we just talked. That's

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Speaker 1: about it. That's kind of the magic to it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This week or this show, we already have one this week.

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Speaker 1: Um Um, we're gonna kind of keep a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a San Diego theme here, Okay. Brian Dutcher was

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Speaker 1: the last pot. This pod is Kyle Milling. Kyle grew

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Speaker 1: up Powi High School and then he went to UC

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Speaker 1: Santa Barbara into Oregon, and then he played in Belgium

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Speaker 1: for a minute, then France, stopping living on Japan, back

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Speaker 1: to France, been in France, became a coach and France

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Speaker 1: now coach in Japan and great dude gave me my

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Speaker 1: first beer when I was fifteen years old. Actually, don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's true. I think I had a couple

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Speaker 1: go first beer. Kyle Milling, who was also my host

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Speaker 1: on my visit to the University of Oregon. They took

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Speaker 1: Um he's currently coach in Japan. I just I find

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Speaker 1: it fascinating that guys that grew up here and what

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Speaker 1: one of those classic blue collar workhorse, big guys that

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Speaker 1: you know, able to really you ferry athletic in terms

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Speaker 1: though he wasn't a score he wasn't he just didn't

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Speaker 1: have great back to the best moves. But as a

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Speaker 1: like you, and he also really good interpersonal relationships, understanding

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Speaker 1: people really really well, calm, willing coaches in Hiroshima. Right,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of Hiroshima? Pretty amazing? Um? And

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Speaker 1: I thought we check in with this is second year

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Speaker 1: there and he's joining us from his apartment in Japan.

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Speaker 1: And I think you enjoyed this conversation. Okay, So can

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Speaker 1: I tell you my memory of you playing you basketball? Maybe? Okay? Um,

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Speaker 1: So Matt Party was on the team too, right, I

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Speaker 1: believe so? Yes, Okay, So, and Matt Party was the

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Speaker 1: Santa Barbara guy too, right? Uh? Not my year, however, No,

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Speaker 1: I think you guys were roommates in Vegas. And I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I had had a beer. I

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Speaker 1: that's my memory of you guys in Vegas. So there's

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Speaker 1: a few people at Memories and you drinking beer. Um,

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Speaker 1: what was your high school experience like it was? I

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Speaker 1: And uh I remember, I don't know how I got

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Speaker 1: He was always an under recruited area. Uh, Tony Clark

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Speaker 1: I was just just some white kid recruit, right. I

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Speaker 1: did it get to the they sent you a letter

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Speaker 1: Had verbally committed and then I tore at my ankle

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Speaker 1: and I went out on Pim's boat and Ben Holland

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Speaker 1: but no had a great experience in Oregon. For me,

428
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to change oregans. It's a beautiful place. It

429
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: reigns a lot. But having grown up in South in

430
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: California and then getting experience a little bit something different

431
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: without having to go to the East Coast, it was.

432
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: It was a good experience almost like you know, it's

433
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: once say it's a different culture up in Oregon, but

434
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's a different way a life in a

435
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: different way people live. So it was it was a

436
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: good time. Is it what what's it like to see

437
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 1: what that athletic program has been become, like's not just football,

438
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing is like state of the art,

439
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: completely different than when you were there. Yeah, when when

440
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: I got there, I mean, they've always had a Nike

441
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: money and when I got there, I think it was

442
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: it was and there and the football team and made

443
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: it to the Roles Bowl, I believe the first time

444
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: and forever. And uh so they were just getting role

445
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: and they had some new facilities gone, and uh so

446
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: it was building. When I in the basketball team the

447
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: year before the year I read shert was the first

448
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: time to made ns A tournament and I don't have

449
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: any years, so there was it was slowly building and

450
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: I was just exploded to a whole another level. But

451
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I've always wondered this. I think I experienced this some

452
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: obviously played a time. Now you're coaching in Japan, you've

453
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: coached in France. I always thought that those places that

454
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: are special, that are packed, where you have incredible energy.

455
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: It's really hard to play in the minor leagues, especially

456
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: and to a lesser extent overseas, because sometimes you're playing

457
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: empty gyms, you know, or halfull gyms, and and there's

458
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 1: not the connection with your teammates, there's not the connection

459
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: with the fans, you know, and again not every situation

460
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: is like that. You've coached and played in a lot

461
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: of them. But I always thought that that's one of

462
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: those things where it's it's like, honestly, the reason that

463
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: Duke guys, I don't think most of them could ever

464
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: play overseas or could play minor leagues. Kentucky guys the

465
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: same thing, because they're so used to every gym they

466
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: walk into is full. And so what what was that

467
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: like for you later on in life to experience that

468
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: and that energy and then now you've got to kind

469
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: of generate your own energy. Yeah. No, Like, like I said,

470
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of guys when they hit overseas

471
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: the first year or two, they struggle a lot. One

472
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: it's not just the atmospheres, but college athletes they get

473
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: spoiled a lot. You get treated very well, and you

474
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: go overseas and all of a sudden, you're you know,

475
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: we're in college of you're sleeping in the Hilton or

476
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: the Marriott with the queen size or king size bed,

477
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: and you head over season first year and you most

478
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: likely sleeping in a you know, a small little hotel room,

479
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: a single bed, sharing the room with someone else where

480
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: you almost a rubbing legs with the guy at night,

481
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: and uh, so you have little things the road trips,

482
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: the food, to the empty gyms too, to having to

483
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: watch your own practice jerseys, to all that stuff. And

484
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: so it is an adjustment. So if you're not ready

485
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: to to adjust and to adapt to your surroundings. And

486
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: many guys that struggled the first year or too expecting

487
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: to have their stuff a wash, expecting to travel nice.

488
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: And then you know, they a lot of times, a

489
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: lot of guys get cut their first year, even second year,

490
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: and they finally adjust and bring their stuff down a

491
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: little bit and uh and then then then then they adapt. Okay,

492
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: so you get done Blane College. Then one my head

493
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: over to an agent. He got me a job in Belgium.

494
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: My it's basically, first I got cut like many guys do,

495
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: like I said, and uh, played maybe six weeks there

496
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: and I was playing okay, But once we were in Belgium,

497
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: wear in Belgium, get where get what's that like? Gone

498
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: is gone gollar gold again and said it's a it's

499
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: a super nice sound, super nice one of the one

500
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: of the bigger cities in Belgium. But so I was

501
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: there maybe a month or two, and why do you

502
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: think you got cut? Uh? They said I was inconsistent

503
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: and they wanted more scoring, probably because the same type

504
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: of thing. I was in a massive score but they

505
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: want me street. There was a bottom team and they

506
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: wanted more scoring. And yeah, so in the same same

507
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 1: like many young players, maybe I wasn't taking it as

508
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: serious and they needed to because they're even the preseason

509
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: games in Europe there cut throat. You gotta win, you

510
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: gotta perform. So you had one game at scored twenty,

511
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: the next game score six. When games scored twenty one,

512
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: game score eight. So so they they packed me, but

513
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: in my agent found a job basically the next day

514
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: or two. So that's when I headed to France and

515
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: U packed at my bags and about four bags. Got

516
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: on a train there there's no cell phones. He told

517
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: me some guy was gonna pick me up and announced

518
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: my first team in France, and I had to change

519
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: trains and lil I remember, but lially got to change

520
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: train stations, but I didn't know that. So I got

521
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: little norm and I had to go to little Europe.

522
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Some of that bad like four bags. I was waiting

523
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: in the train station that I arrived in. I was

524
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: some ten minutes to go, and I didn't see my

525
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: train coming up. And I was sitting there, you know,

526
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: young dumb American. Some lady luckily spoke a little bit English.

527
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: She came and helped me. I saw my take a said, oh,

528
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: it's so over there, over there, So she actually took

529
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: two of my bags and basically sprinted to the other

530
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: train station. Got on there about a minute before my

531
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: train left, and sweat and bullets because it was still

532
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: hot as hell in Europe. Got to not had no

533
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: idea who's picking me up or where? And I was

534
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: worried about missing the trains, like I don't know how

535
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: i'd contact anyone. And he's got off the train and

536
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: there's a little frenchman sitting there and picked me up

537
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: and took me to my apartment and h start a

538
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: new life and not so good? And uh, what was

539
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: what's what's life like? What what do you remember life like? Then? Um,

540
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: you're in your early twenties, you know, And okay, so

541
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: did you have do you have a car? Yeah? It

542
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: gave me a little uh the station wagon, the old

543
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: little station wagon thing. So I love it not And

544
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: that was a great city and Uh, I don't know.

545
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: I went there with an open mind, and I like

546
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: to visit a lot of stuff. And uh, you know,

547
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: obviously I didn't speak any French and there's no internet,

548
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: no FaceTime, nothing like that. So I used to watch

549
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: game shows when I was bored to try to learn

550
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: French because I can understand the numbers, and a lot

551
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: of the game shows they have words on the screens

552
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. So and I took some had the cassette

553
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: tapes and try to learn French. But I'd be out

554
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: almost every day off. I'd go drive to Normandy, drive

555
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: to different cities to go visit the Chateau region and

556
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: go up to Paris. And so I'd like to visit

557
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: a lot and get out and see a lot of

558
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: things and stuff. So that kept me busy and and

559
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: and it forced me to go out and meet people

560
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: and try to learn the language as well, because now

561
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: you just kind of sit in your apartment and go crazy.

562
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: So how many years until you felt comfortable with the language, Uh,

563
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: probably two or three? You know. The guys, the guys

564
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: in my team, they first teach you all the the

565
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: bachelors how to pick up girls or you know, stuff

566
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: like that. And then uh, and then slowly uh, it

567
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: gets going. How to eat, how to order food, that

568
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: order drinks? And yeah, I can understand it more easier

569
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: before you start speaking it. And then I met a

570
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: French woman and my wife I got married a couple

571
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: of years later. And how did you how did you

572
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: meet her? I don't dance for her? Do you remember,

573
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: like in Paris in where there's a I think I

574
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: met her on the Halloween night something like that. So

575
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: you think about think about this for a second, right,

576
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: had you missed that train, yeah, they might have cut you.

577
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, we like can'dling for this guy? Right?

578
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Like like get rid of him? You don't. Some lady

579
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: speaks English enough English get you to a train of

580
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: sweat and bullets. You get there? If not for that,

581
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: if you ain't been cut in Belgium, if you just

582
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: stopped messing around in Belgium, he's still little bit of Belgium,

583
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: dring in Belgium, beer married to a Belgian woman. Instead,

584
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: you're married to a frenchwoman. Yeah, exactly, so your dancing,

585
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: you danced with her, right, I mean you're the you're

586
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: you're you know back then you're a Greek god like,

587
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're gigantic human being with flat flexing muscles.

588
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: She's and you're, well, what did you say to her?

589
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: Did you did you go there? What I got? Do

590
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: you speak English? Like you know, do you speak English?

591
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: And she said yes a little bit like they all say,

592
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: and uh, she actually did speak pretty good English. So

593
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: that's how we started and basically just talking because she

594
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: spoke English basically, and she was a pretty girl, pretty woman,

595
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't matter that night, and then uh,

596
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: from there the rest is history. Over twenty years later,

597
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: a couple of sons and and the granddaughter now too

598
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: with Jesus year old granddaughter. That's that's that's that's old okay.

599
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: So um, but you didn't stay the only how many years?

600
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Not only one? Right? One? You're not okay? And then

601
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: you went to I say, ruel. Well, in between, I

602
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: made a little pit stop in Lebanon for about a

603
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: month and that was an experience. What was that like?

604
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: But I thought I had a job, went out there

605
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: and there was about thirty guys on a tryout for

606
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: basically one or two I'm about thirty, but at least

607
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen guys for like one spot we're all

608
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: in the hotel together too, so all of this will

609
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: showed up. But like, what are we doing here? It

610
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: was like, there's not ten jobs, there's one job or

611
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: two jobs or whatever. And the guy who picked me

612
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: up the airport, he was going through the streets and

613
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: and he was just basically running red lights and I

614
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know, going fast as hell, and he

615
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: was like, Christmas lights, the traffic lights, Christmas lights right moment.

616
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: It's basically no traffic rules, no nothing. Were in a hotel,

617
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys, fight for a job, go

618
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: to practice. It's practicupposed to be a tan. They pick

619
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: us up, drop us off at the gym. Coach shows up,

620
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: practicles to be a tan coach. But like ten thirty,

621
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: it was basically I had to get out of there.

622
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: And then uh, I went back to France about a

623
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: few weeks later. And then when you go back home

624
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: in between, no, I was, uh, I stayed with my

625
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: wife or girlfriend at the time, and then I was

626
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: in France and then I went to Rue played there

627
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: and wait, so so I mean your friends had to

628
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: be much better then this is you know, you said

629
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: two or three years, but yeah, that was about my

630
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: second in Lebanon two is the French speaking country where

631
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: they speak a little bit everything there but eleven I

632
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: was nice. I mean those parts of its cities was

633
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: destroyed and then there's the other part where they had

634
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: to j Fridays and western part and it was ended

635
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: up in Rue in Paris and Proby again the second

636
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: division where that's what not was and uh spent a

637
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: year in Paris, which was a lot of fun too.

638
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: Did she she come with you or did she just visit? Uh?

639
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: She Well, that actually had gone to Japan. My second

640
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: year was in Japan. Thirty year was living on So

641
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I forgot about I forgot about Japan. Yeah, what was that?

642
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: So how did you continue relationship when you're in Japan

643
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: and she's in France and there's no internet? Just call her?

644
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: Sheaed Japan for a few on section because when I

645
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: was flying back from Japan, some agent Japan's Asia, who

646
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I think my brother got because someone got me kind

647
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: someone got in contact. I basically flew in from France,

648
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: went to l A. Basically the next day I didn't

649
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: workout in front of two Japanese the manager and some

650
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: coach did individual workout basically signed a contract in their

651
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: hotel room a couple of hours later. When I had

652
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: heard about Japan back then and come of them Rome.

653
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: You guys only played like once a week, right, and

654
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: there was like a limit, like you could only make

655
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: like most guys only made like a buck or buck

656
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: twenty five, Like it was like the max. But the

657
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: whole thing was like, yes, you only play once a week,

658
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: but you don't practice as much and they just don't

659
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: grind you as much. And is that is that your

660
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: recollection of it? Yeah, well we played sixteen games and

661
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: like eight months basically, and you have like six weeks off.

662
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: So I flew home that year for Christmas, which is

663
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: like in Europe, you know, you playing all the time

664
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: and that twelve month contracts, but there's a lot of

665
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: guys making you know, hundred hundred but there was a

666
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Guys who stayed over there were making

667
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: big money or you know, three hundred, four hundred five

668
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: stuff like that, even back in the day. The company teams,

669
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot less games, but sixteen,

670
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: but you're guaranteed your money. There's no problems. And I

671
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: was home for three months and they're wiring the money

672
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: home or in Europe at that time. Yeah, he never knew.

673
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: So what was it like to live in Japan where

674
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: everything seems pretty tight quarters and you're not exactly Japanese size? Yeah,

675
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: but I love the experience again because the culture was

676
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: so different from the European culture what I've been in

677
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: and American culture obviously, And I was with a great

678
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: group of guys. Uh. Uh, you know, Derrek Graham played

679
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: at Missouri c l A. So you we live in

680
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: the same basically apartment complex and who's right across from

681
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: me and Tim Mason He went to the s mbu's

682
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: the other America, but we had an American coach and uh,

683
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: we all live in the same apartment complex and play

684
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a lot of cards, a let of tonk and let

685
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: it drink quite a bit of a society and supper

686
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: between the stuff. But no Osaka was you know, it's

687
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: a huge, incredible seating the first time you get down

688
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: town to see all the lights and everything. It was.

689
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: I loved it. Yeah, very clean to write, incredibly clean, respectful,

690
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: no one but track. There's no trash anywhere, uh either,

691
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: what's rude? Team and walking down the street eating basically

692
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: and uh everything but everyone was everything in the trash.

693
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Oh it's ah as far as respecting the rules of

694
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: basic society and you can't you can't go any you

695
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: can't get any better. So what about France? What is

696
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: what is different about French culture that that you learned

697
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: and absorbed and liked. Uh, there's there's a lot of

698
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: people last me, what do you like better French or

699
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: France or America. I always say, uh, my mind is

700
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: almost franlis mixed mixed between the two, because uh, you know,

701
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: it's one better than the other. I can't say that,

702
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: but obviously you can can't have the best of both words.

703
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: The world's either. But there's many things in the French

704
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: culture that I styles alive and that I like. French

705
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: culture is a lot smower the lifestyle and the than

706
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: the obviously an American style. It was. Sunday basically is

707
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: a day off rest day. People are running around to

708
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: ten a U games. Uh, you know, having to stay busy.

709
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: There's a time to to uh take time for yourself,

710
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: you can almost say, and or your family and uh

711
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: and be at home and relax and uh. So there's

712
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different things that that's what's the

713
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: best French boodied m I probably go with some duck

714
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: like the duck. Whether desserts, I'm a big dessert guys.

715
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Mulio chocolate chocolate cake with what kind of oozes out

716
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: in the middle. The obviously fresh bread that's a little

717
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: classic thing, but but the some of the chocolate cake

718
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: stuff deserved. That's what I'll go with any times. And

719
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: now you've always been a beer guy, you a wine

720
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: guy in France, you still beer guy. I like wine,

721
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: but kind of stick to my beer, my beer, in

722
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: my beer. There is there a German beer that you

723
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: always get or what was when you're when you're in Frances.

724
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: There we got the old sixteen sixty four. I know

725
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: they so in the States and Heneyken in the in

726
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: France is obviously very popular. But in France and France

727
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: everything's about ten years behind States. There's a lot of

728
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: cultural stuff. So the beer markets gone crazy, all the

729
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: micro breweries and brass. Each city basically has a couple

730
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: of different places that make their own beer. Now with

731
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: the I p A. S. Bale Ales and the Belgian beer,

732
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I like Belgian beers. Who okay, so you make your

733
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: way back to France, okay, And at what point out

734
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: when did you get married after Japan? The year? About

735
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: a year after Japan to two thousand? I better stay it,

736
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: right if my wife listens to so, so now you're married,

737
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: so you're kind of so. So was it like I

738
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: have to be in France or was it your it

739
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: just worked out for to stay in France as long

740
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: as you stay in France. But you actually I got

741
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: my French passport, so a team po Ortez played the

742
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: yearly I played the early one year. They they signed

743
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: me like a three year deal, and uh, because that

744
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: has we become French. So I was gonna play as

745
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: a Frenchman. So and that's one reason why I stayed

746
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: in France and time after and you want do you

747
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: want to play one year at po right? Then you

748
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: played with too Loan. After that I played Too Loan

749
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: seven or eight years, basically set up shop there so

750
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I still that's basically home in the year and we

751
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: have a house there and stayed there seven eight years

752
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: and finished in Monaco lower divisions. What is it? What

753
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: is it like to buy a house in France? So

754
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: like like the house you own? Okay? Is it a

755
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: house is in the countryside, is it a like a

756
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: townhouse is an apartment? Like what is it? Well, that's

757
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: not I know, it's a house. It's about what year

758
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: it's town called a year. It's near too long, it's

759
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: about well maybe three five minute bike ride, three minute

760
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: bike ride and fifteen minute walk to the beach. French

761
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Riviera town plus sixty thousands. So it's a no. It's

762
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: a beautiful place. On one side of it's like wine

763
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: fields going up on a mountain and then you go

764
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: the other way and you're to the beach. So it's

765
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: a no. It's a three bedroom house, got a pool,

766
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: payton and play in payton balls. He played in boat

767
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: boat ball. Yeah, yeah, anyway, the French they played on

768
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: clay Um. Okay, So you grew up in in pow Way,

769
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: which is not really near the beach, right, but you

770
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: still San Diego. But then you went to UCSB, which

771
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: is right on the beach. Um Oregon is u oh

772
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: is like an hour from the beach. But what is

773
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: what is a beach like a bike ride from the

774
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: beach in France? Like, what's what's life like in comparison

775
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: to when again, like you have to remember most people

776
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: listening to this state side. So when we think of

777
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: beach towns, you've got people think of the Jersey Beach.

778
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: I think of California beaches. What what is your that

779
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: that area in France like in terms of being beachy,

780
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: like the people were flip flops, people serve, right, is it?

781
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Are you like super Frenchman where you're going speed? Oh,

782
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: you're going banana hammet when you go to the beach,

783
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: you mean you mean the beach thing. I mean, I

784
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: say a little San Diego style, but as far as

785
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: the flip flops in the regular swim shorts, but the beach,

786
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: the town we live in, it's kind of I want

787
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: to say, it's countryside basically countries. That's why I like

788
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: about it because it's not the big if you see

789
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: on TV the French Riviera or Nice or Marseilles. We've

790
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: got the big buildings and overlooking the beaches right on

791
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: top of the beach. It's basically a forest type thing

792
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: on the beach. So basically you can go to the

793
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: French beaches, you've got you've got some populace, and then

794
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: the beach closest to my house. You go a little

795
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: bit down further and you've got the newest area. Then

796
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: you go a little bit for you know, you got

797
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: you got a little bit of everything. So so the newist,

798
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: the newdest area is a little uh interesting at times

799
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: because it's right, you've got the families and got people

800
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: just setting up shop normal and it's not the news

801
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: is not people you really want to go check out

802
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: either because it turns out to be a some pretty

803
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: special uh human beings hanging out there. So it's a

804
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: it's some basically a lot of people don't women especially

805
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: and meet as well, don't. You don't really want to

806
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: send your kids, so so you're planning for your loan

807
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: for all that time. Right at what point in time?

808
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: And that's different like lots of people playing when they

809
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: play in Europe, it's like a one year they're always

810
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: in now maybe two um at what point in time

811
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: did you get to where like this is home. I

812
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: don't I'm not looking to bounce to the next team

813
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: every year. What when did you remember when that took place? Yeah,

814
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: well probably about a year maybe in the first or

815
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: second year I was there that this team because the

816
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: area's it's actually a team where there's a lot of

817
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: especially French players, but a lot of people. And there's

818
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: two two older American players if you're Alan Bunting, he's

819
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: in sixties or seventies, but and Tom Snyder. But there's

820
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: a couple of American guys who had played there before me.

821
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: You ended up setting up shop and French people, French

822
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: players get there. Once they get to that team, many

823
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: people don't want to leave because it's such a nice place.

824
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: And so for me, once I got there, I felt

825
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: like home, almost being in the southern California in a way.

826
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: And uh, because said the size of the town, everything

827
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: about it was kind of fit my style. I was

828
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: happy that basketball was fine and first division, but the

829
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: first Neuvision basketball played on the beach in the beautiful area,

830
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't go wrong. So and I didn't really want

831
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: to move around. You know what, you bet you had

832
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: a kid us to move around, family and stuff. There

833
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: was no real reason. And the team like me. I

834
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: like them, so there's no reason. Um, who are your

835
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: favorite Americans? Did you played with? Uh? Favorite? Jason Rowe?

836
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: He went to Buffalo, he was played, he was not

837
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: the one. He stayed at least three years, if not

838
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: four years, and too long with me. Sean Colson was

839
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: one of the playing guards. I played against Sean Colson

840
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: a bunch. He was great. He's a big basketball trainer. Now. Yeah,

841
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: he kicked my ass a ton in USBL He's really

842
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: good playing. Yeah. Sean day Rogers played their year Washington.

843
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: George Washing played against him in college. Yeah, he used

844
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: you could play. Yeah. You know, there's all all of

845
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: the guys who are extra on the shorter side, you

846
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: know too to perform at that level of that size too.

847
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: I felt like France like what separates it in terms

848
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: of uh first and second division faster than a lot

849
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: of Europe and um, you know, you have like a

850
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of American point guards, which speeds it up. But

851
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: you also have a lot of the French kids who

852
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: are from the French West Indies. You know, you have

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Speaker 1: a lot more athleticism from the French, the French players.

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Speaker 1: So it whereas when you play you know, I played

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Speaker 1: in Russia, I felt like, even though you had some

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Speaker 1: great players, it was still more kind of classic old

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Speaker 1: school Europe grabbing and holding. Um. I always felt like

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Speaker 1: when I played in France. I played in Clament for

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Speaker 1: Rome for just a month, but it was like the

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00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: whole game was up and down. It was amazed. It

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00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: was perfect for me. I was like, man right away,

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Speaker 1: is that an accurate depiction of French basketball? Yeah, French

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Speaker 1: it's probably the most athletic league outside of America for

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Speaker 1: sure in Europe and pretty much everyone says the same

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Speaker 1: thing because the French players are very wide. They probably

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Speaker 1: have the second most amount of NBA players in the league,

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Speaker 1: I think France. So it's very athletically. French players are

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00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: just as long and as athletic as the American players basically,

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Speaker 1: and so it's it's a very physical league too, because

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Speaker 1: everyone can jump, everyone can run, and everyone can can

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00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: can go on there just as long as athletic. Like

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Speaker 1: you said, the West ind of French Islands as well

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Speaker 1: as there's many African countries who speak French, so a

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Speaker 1: lot of the immigrants instead of immigrating to some of

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Speaker 1: the European countries that immigrade to France. When you speak

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Speaker 1: the language, eventually, you know the African culture gets. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very diverse. I mean, that's that's true. What

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Speaker 1: you get you get diversity, and you get and those

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Speaker 1: athletes are not all playing soccer like they are in

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Speaker 1: European fannships. They actually playing playing basketball and there there's

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Speaker 1: even but I mean a lot of NBA scouts go

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Speaker 1: to France. When you go to watch the young kids

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Speaker 1: or even walking on the street, they can't believe that

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Speaker 1: the amount of talent, physical talent or bodies that that's

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Speaker 1: there or whatever. And you go to Paris and be

886
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: like six nine seven footers walking down the street. But

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're not basketball players, but they're just that

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Speaker 1: length and the size. Wherever it's there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of talent there. All right. That's the end

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Speaker 1: of part one of my discussion with Kyle mill like that,

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Speaker 1: that's what it's like for him to play overseas for

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Speaker 1: all those years, what it was like to transfer. I

893
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: mean you heard it was really good. Um. Part two

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00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: will drop, I don't know tomorrow the next day, and

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Speaker 1: it's about how he got into coaching. It's really kind

896
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: of a fascinating story because so many of us, you know,

897
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: we play and then you're like it's done. And he

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Speaker 1: played really until kind of his body let him down

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Speaker 1: and he was just done. Um, and then you're like

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Speaker 1: what's next. You know, when you're playing in proby in France,

901
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: even as a Frenchman. You know you're making likely low

902
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: six figures. You know you stack and call that money

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00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: away and then you gotta figure out what's next to

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Speaker 1: your life. How did he become a first division coach

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Speaker 1: in France? How did he get to coaching in Japan?

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Speaker 1: What was it like during quarantine during COVID especially in France,

907
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Speaker 1: And um, he's got an amazing story, amazing, partially disturbing,

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Speaker 1: but amazing story about how he got a ticket from

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Speaker 1: a police officer during quarantine. Install all that's upcoming on

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Speaker 1: the next episode. In the meantime, a reminder to uh download, subscribe,

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