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Speaker 1: Mets Up? Listeners back here for episode number eighty eight

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Speaker 1: zero of the Mets Up Podcast. Of course, I'm your

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Speaker 1: co host, Draftneckmark Mark Luino here with James Sheiano Jeter

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Speaker 1: had no range talking about everything that's gone on the

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Speaker 1: past week in New York Mets World and New York

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Speaker 1: next episode. That's you heard it here first, and let's

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Speaker 1: bring in James. James, how you feeling.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling really good man, but it's kind of annoying

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Speaker 3: you keep bringing up the old times, the sad times

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Speaker 3: of the offseason, talking about, oh, we have baseball again.

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Speaker 3: I know, we baseball again. We're gonna have baseball with

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Speaker 3: seeable future. Will you have to announce it every episode?

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Speaker 1: I just like to remember the dark days so that

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Speaker 1: we appreciate the days that are currently coming. Because boy,

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Speaker 1: oh boy, how great has it been to watch Mets baseball?

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Speaker 3: Amazing? I think today Sunday and we're recording hopefully Monday,

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Speaker 3: when you guys are listening. This was the first real

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Speaker 3: taste of Mets baseball that we've had yet. We've had

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Speaker 3: a couple of spring training games to Gram and Shares

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Speaker 3: each had their own days last week, but today they

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Speaker 1: We love to talk about juice on this podcast. We're

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Speaker 1: think that there's ever been a spring training game that

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. Even just the activity on Twitter

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Speaker 1: I mean, like schures are into Gram Seemingly we'll probably

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Speaker 3: Literally no one else in baseball, because usually the ninety

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Speaker 1: I just can't even wrap my head around pitching six

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Speaker 3: No, But I also want to shout out Dylan Carlson

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Speaker 1: You think that the Cardinals hitters like Aeronado, Goldschmid, who

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Speaker 3: There's no way fuck this.

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Speaker 1: Like, imagine you're like fifth sixth spring training game and

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Speaker 1: Yepez is fighting for a spot on the team, and

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Speaker 1: Scherzer today. Are you kidding me? It's an oh first,

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Speaker 1: And of course it's worth noting too that Max did

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Speaker 3: He looked extremely extremely comfortable, and he looks very the

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Speaker 3: H word, the H word that rhymes with felty. But like,

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Speaker 3: the spring and things look good. I still just don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nose, those guys were incredible. But I will say

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Speaker 3: twenty five hardest hit balls I was recorded so far

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't even know he caught all knights, and

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Speaker 3: plus of less than one hundred, and once he gets

433
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Speaker 3: to July, August, September, October, just it goes up from there.

434
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Speaker 3: So I think this Robinson can, I think that's gonna

435
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Speaker 3: be in the team by time to make it to

436
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Speaker 3: his general hot months. And also these hot months were

437
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Speaker 3: when he was not a four year old man who

438
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Speaker 3: hadn't been out a baseball for a year and a half.

439
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Speaker 3: But ROMs can, I do remember just having him on

440
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Speaker 3: fancy teams over the year is notoriously slow starter.

441
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's waiting for the standards all to kick in.

442
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Speaker 1: It probably has like a half life of like two

443
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Speaker 1: months or something, and then he's ready to go.

444
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Speaker 3: It's like, one of the best case naris for this

445
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Speaker 3: team is to get the guy back on the stuff,

446
00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,480
Speaker 3: because we can get two months of production and then

447
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Speaker 3: get him out.

448
00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,440
Speaker 1: God, how great would it be to get him juicing,

449
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,360
Speaker 1: get like you said, the two months and then have

450
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Speaker 1: him banned from baseball. That'd be sick and his career

451
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Speaker 1: and his twenty four million dollars a year for the

452
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Speaker 1: next two seasons. Granted Seattle covers four of it, so

453
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Speaker 1: forty million over the next two. Oh wow, I can't

454
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Speaker 1: believe we're paying this fucking guy.

455
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Speaker 3: It just sucks and I'm a I'm a broken record.

456
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm being this drum over and over again. But him

457
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,119
Speaker 3: taking the roster spot from someone who could just be

458
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,639
Speaker 3: useful somewhere else is such a big detriment to this

459
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Speaker 3: team success. It's terrible, especially the fact that we're going

460
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Speaker 3: to get these extra roster spots for the month of

461
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Speaker 3: April and can't even really use those to the best

462
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Speaker 3: of our advantage because we have this four year old

463
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Speaker 3: guy who can't hit the fly balls.

464
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Speaker 1: Like ah God, I just I'm so dumb with Robinson.

465
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Speaker 1: Can know he's gonna be the guy that I scream

466
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Speaker 1: at the TV for all year. I've got a feeling

467
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be in this lineup way too much. He's

468
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Speaker 1: gonna be hitting way too high. I wish Bucks Show

469
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,439
Speaker 1: Walter would show him the least bit of respect and

470
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Speaker 1: hit him like ninth. If he's gonna be in this lineup,

471
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Speaker 1: hit him after McCann.

472
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even want that. I would split

473
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Speaker 3: those guys up. There'd be a double playing machine. If

474
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Speaker 3: those guys are back to back, I'd be awful, but

475
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Speaker 3: he just does have the respect and he is going

476
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Speaker 3: to be a lefty bat, and it seems like he

477
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Speaker 3: is playing with the starters ahead of Dom Smith right now.

478
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Speaker 3: So I just don't think there's any way that you're

479
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Speaker 3: not gonna see him, Like I think fifth, fifth or

480
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Speaker 3: sixth on opening Day, it should be.

481
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Speaker 1: Hitting Edwardo Escobar, who has looked great this spring. He

482
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Speaker 1: has great at bats. I love Eduardo Escobar. You know

483
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Speaker 1: how high I've been on him. He's an extra base

484
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Speaker 1: hit machine in there. There's nothing that gets me going

485
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Speaker 1: like a good double. And he just hits the ball

486
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Speaker 1: at all fields. He hits it with some power, he

487
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Speaker 1: takes good at bats. I've loved everything I've seen iv

488
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Speaker 1: I mean.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but hilariously, while the West Coubar is not yet

490
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Speaker 3: hit the ball over one hundred and five miles. Now

491
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840
Speaker 3: with the spring and Robmins and Canosa, I think three now.

492
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,359
Speaker 1: On the ground, on the ground.

493
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Speaker 3: True. Sure Why the wescubar had this debate? My friend

494
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm staying with right now in San Diego. He hates

495
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,159
Speaker 3: why Wescobar. I don't love it. Why Wescubaraba is a

496
00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,760
Speaker 3: good player and the type of contact oriented player the

497
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Speaker 3: Mets have not had many of over the last few years.

498
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Speaker 3: And you can also just see how much the rest

499
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Speaker 3: of the guys have gravitated to him this spring. In fact,

500
00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 3: he just plays passable defense at third base. He's gonna

501
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Speaker 3: hit like he's gonna be like five percent better than

502
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Speaker 3: league average. Like that's fantastic. Just keep the line moving

503
00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,480
Speaker 3: and uh and a lot's gonna have to be moving

504
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Speaker 3: because it's the Cano thing is bad. And it's the

505
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Speaker 3: fact that he's starting is even worse.

506
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's not it's not good. It's not good. That's

507
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,840
Speaker 1: like the there's a lot of Mets fans, I feel

508
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of holes in this lineup right now.

509
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of issues, Like there's a lot of

510
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Speaker 1: additions that weren't made. They feel like this team isn't

511
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Speaker 1: deep enough. I think the starting lineup is pretty strong

512
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Speaker 1: outside of like those last two hitters right now with

513
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 1: in theory Cano and whoever's catching.

514
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, it's not that the starting lineup is

515
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 3: that bad. It's just the guys behind them are don't

516
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 3: really fit together. We've been saying this for months repeatedly,

517
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Speaker 3: and Gary mentioned today during the broadcast that the brain

518
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,440
Speaker 3: Trust and coiling GARREYT. Cohen on that had a long

519
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 3: meeting last night into Sunday morning, because I think either tomorrow,

520
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 3: Monday or Tuesday, there's another round of roster cuts, basically

521
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Speaker 3: the last round, the second and last round of cuts,

522
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,439
Speaker 3: and they're going to have to cut probably a lot

523
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 3: of these fringy outfielders and Francisco sadly that have gonna

524
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,399
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to make this roster over a

525
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Speaker 3: guy like Robinson Cano.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it stinks that he takes up a spot. That's

527
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Speaker 1: what twenty million dollars a year will do. You just

528
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Speaker 1: have to play because otherwise weren't paying you to play

529
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Speaker 1: for another team.

530
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Speaker 3: Literally. But let's keep keep wrapping up the spring training

531
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Speaker 3: stats and we'll get to more roster construction things. Because

532
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,400
Speaker 3: Chris Bassett pitched on Thursday. He looked fantastic, so Mets

533
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Speaker 3: t whether was really really jacked up about him, because

534
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Speaker 3: I think most people in the Mets universe have probably

535
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Speaker 3: never seen Chris Bassett play ever ever once.

536
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Speaker 1: That's I think that's fair for a dude who did

537
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Speaker 1: most of his work out in Oakland. Of all the

538
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: West Coast teams. Oh, Clinton playing in the aos is

539
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 1: something Mets fans I don't think are particularly familiar with.

540
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: Same thing with Cannon and Martelle at times.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, unless you're like a fancy baseball like lunatic

542
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 3: or just like the general is gonna throw with the

543
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: A's game on at midnight, like you've probably never seen

544
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Speaker 3: Chris Bassive pitch. But he just got a great curveball,

545
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 3: keeps the hitters off balanced. I think he's gonna become

546
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Speaker 3: a fan favorite here, very very quickly.

547
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Speaker 1: We've said it from the start. He's going to be

548
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Speaker 1: the Marcus Strowman of this this rotation. He's gonna go

549
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 1: out every five days. He's gonna give you six seven innings.

550
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Speaker 1: He gave us five in his first spring training start

551
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Speaker 1: with five k's. A's Chris Bassett baseball right there. He's

552
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Speaker 1: gonna be a one k per you know, a nine

553
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Speaker 1: k p nine guy all year long.

554
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Speaker 3: You almost say one caper, I will stink.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that'd be horrible, that would be horred.

556
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Speaker 3: This We faced two of those guys today and Dakota

557
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Speaker 3: Hudson and Jake Wood.

558
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Speaker 1: For Jake Wood, for that poor guy, he's just got nothing.

559
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 3: He's terrible. But the Cardinals, the whole Cardinals' pitching stat

560
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 3: has nothing, but they just throw him out there and say, probably.

561
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Speaker 1: We got great fielding behind you, so there will be

562
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Speaker 1: out You still still have to get a hit. If

563
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Speaker 1: you're playing baseball. It's a litill, really hard.

564
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Speaker 3: I felt kind of bad for Matthew Librator today. We

565
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 3: all lost starters in against him, and they kind of teat off.

566
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Speaker 1: They went off on Matthew libertoor is not particularly ready

567
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: I think for the majors just yet.

568
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: He probably will be being triple A this year. But again,

569
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Speaker 3: Bassett big thing. Another guy I really liked from Thursday.

570
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Speaker 3: This was the game that was not on TV. But

571
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Speaker 3: luckily there's a really good account on Twitter called pitching

572
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: Bot who's been compiling all the information you can and

573
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Speaker 3: getting guys like pitch effects for these spring training games.

574
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Speaker 3: And that was Eric Orsey ors Orse.

575
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Speaker 1: I think it's Oars, I don't know, I don't I'm

576
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Speaker 1: not sure. But he was a what I think like

577
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: fifth round pick and twenty twenty one be drafted out

578
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: of University of New Orleans, I believe.

579
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was intended to be reliever and he's

580
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: been being developed as reliever for the last few years.

581
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 3: I think he got to double A last year. He

582
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 3: got pretty good results. And on Thursday apparently he was

583
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Speaker 3: sitting ninety four ninety five, which is higher than ninety

584
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Speaker 3: three he was sitting the week before. And apparently he's

585
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 3: a very good change up with a slider, and he

586
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 3: throws a variation of that slider like with less, less slide,

587
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 3: more velocity, more for soft contact. And he's a reliever

588
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: who will probably get to triple A this year and

589
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 3: could contribute on the Mets. I think people should keep

590
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Speaker 3: an eye ot for Eric Orsey, just like your boy

591
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: Colin Holderman we talked about last week.

592
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

593
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: No, these the Mets have a nice little grouping of

594
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: these younger minor league arms that can now step in

595
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be like some of the

596
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: absolute bums we've seen in the past that have come up.

597
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: These guys have some legitimate stuff. No more. Jeff Hart

598
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: leaves no.

599
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 3: With mean some much like yan CDs last year. Who

600
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 3: you acquire this guy who close to the.

601
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: Major leagues forgot about Yanzi?

602
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah he's I think he's still involves.

603
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: He's Mets, right, Oh, definitely, Yeah, he's tons of options

604
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: him and read Foley too, like those guys are gonna

605
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: be here for a bit. Yeah, so Or is probably

606
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna be in the lot like yan see where things

607
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: get really ugly by Junior July.

608
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: You might see him for an inn or two. You

609
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: could be like, Oh, this guy's not that bad. I

610
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Speaker 3: remember James tell me about him the Messed Up podcast.

611
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 1: And then of course we got to talk about the

612
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Speaker 1: moonshot heard around the world by Francisco Alvarez. Holy fucking shit,

613
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: was that ball destroyed?

614
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: Our boy was trending on Twitter.

615
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: He hit that ball. The sound it made was like

616
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: that of a gunshot, and then it hit the fucking

617
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: scoreboard and like he took such a violent swing. I

618
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this guy in the mess

619
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Speaker 1: and a couple like in a season or two, he's

620
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Speaker 1: gonna be so good.

621
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Speaker 3: It was again, and you also mentioned him being behind

622
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Speaker 3: the plates. I think that's probably the biggest thing that's

623
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Speaker 3: keeping him from the major league. It's prety obviously as

624
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 3: major league bat right now. In fact, that he hit

625
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: that ball four hundred and forty feet and a hundred

626
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: nine miles an hours, we know who was off.

627
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: Of I was off of Marlins, like minor league guy.

628
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: So it's relatively to his Yeah, it's relative to his

629
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: skill level right now. But I think it's also funny

630
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: to mention that he said he was going to hit

631
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: a home run that night and he did. His confidence

632
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: is through the roof. You saw it with our interview.

633
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: He's just he's got star written all over him.

634
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 3: He's definitely swagged out for sure, And again it's very

635
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: clear that he can hang with this with this kind

636
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 3: of this caliber of players. He's gonna start the year

637
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 3: in double A. The chance he moves through quickly and

638
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: there's there's probably not side chance, like a ten percent

639
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: chance we see him the major leagues this year.

640
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, especially like if someone were to go down,

641
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: or if somebody was really struggling, or if he's just

642
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: on such a tear that you're like, we got to

643
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: see if this guy can make an impact right now,

644
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: seen teams do it before. It would not be out

645
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: of the question to see a little Francisco Alvarez siting

646
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: at some point in Queen's.

647
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Speaker 3: Definitely the existence of the DH makes it even more likely.

648
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because of his catching stuff. But I will

649
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: say this, he did look good in the game that

650
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: he caught, he was framed the ball well, he looks solid.

651
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are pleasantly surprised at

652
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: the development Francisco Alvarez made seemingly this offseason during the

653
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: lockout and everything, because he was working hard. He was

654
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: with a lot of major league players this offseason.

655
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 3: And you can just kind of see it in like

656
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: his body, like he's very bouncy back there, like Francisco

657
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: Oliverez again met him, but he's very like I don't know,

658
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 3: even though he's like built like kind of like a

659
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 3: fall back like, he's very live, like he has a

660
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: lot of he's on the balls of his feet. He

661
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: seems like he can like he's just very explosive person

662
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 3: to player. That makes him such a good hitter. But

663
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: that's also a reason that he can stick behind the plate.

664
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: And Fangrass has him as a forty five like slash

665
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: fifty five there, So it's not like he's a disaster.

666
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: We have a guy who can catch. It's probably just

667
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: not his calling card, which for a twenty year old kid,

668
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: that's really not the end of the world.

669
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: No, and especially when he swings a bat like that,

670
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: like if you can get the offensive production that we

671
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: expect from Francisco Alvarez a catcher, you kind of don't

672
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: really care about what he does behind the plate. I mean,

673
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: the Yankees were trotting out Gary Sanchez forever and he

674
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: wasn't even that good of a hitter at times, and

675
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: it was still more valuable than putting out Kyle Higashijoka

676
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: every game.

677
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, heresh Joka is actually shows some good power this spring.

678
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: I think he's multiple home runs.

679
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: Oh, he crushed the home run off of our favorite

680
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: pitcher in baseball, Brad Hand, which I love him struggle.

681
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: He dis another one today too. Yeah, that was good stuff.

682
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: But the last thing I want to mention about spring training,

683
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: like stats data info. In that same game on Friday's

684
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: that Alvarez hit the bomb, Carlos Quartz layd a double

685
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: one hundred nine miles an hour. He's a guy again

686
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: we've talking about on the show for months. He's going

687
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: to be in triple A start of the year. He

688
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: doesn't really have a position, but this Mets team might

689
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: just need a bat at some point, and there's a

690
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: good chance that we see Carlos Cortez gets him at bats,

691
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: possibly kind of early depending on how he looks into

692
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: comparison to Mark Viantos, now how many bats are really available.

693
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: He's a dude who would have been great to take

694
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: that Cano spot as the last guy in the roster

695
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: because he can play a little second base and he

696
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: plays the outfield as well, which is just kind of

697
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: what the Mets needle are right now, a little versatility

698
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: at multiple positions. He'd be perfect if he's ready, which

699
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: seems like he's getting closer to being ready.

700
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: The bat seems pretty ready, like he's dominated every single

701
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: upper minor stop he's ever been to. He's gonna go

702
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 3: Triple A next year. He's probably gonna hit pretty well,

703
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: and now from there, it's almost like what more can

704
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: you do? And Cortez also has like a bit of

705
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: a shorter swing than some of the guys we've seen,

706
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: like Clearly and Nick Plumber, where he seems like he

707
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 3: would be more able to attack the high velocity fastball,

708
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: especially up in the zone, which is the biggest difference

709
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: I've seen between Triple A and the major leagues right now.

710
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: The guys sitting in Triple A just don't have ninety six.

711
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: They can't put it up Cortes kind of has a

712
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: body type in the swing that looks like you can

713
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: be able to get to that if he needed to.

714
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean the Mets. I feel like the

715
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: guys that we know about feeling really good about it.

716
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: But then, like you said, that depth right now, while

717
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: we did technically improve, there are some things that feel

718
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit incomplete. And you mentioned that they had

719
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: this big meeting of the brains, you mentioned the roster cuts,

720
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned everything. I mean, is there is there something

721
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: that you think the Mets need to do right now

722
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: in order to make you feel better or maybe make

723
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: Mets fans feel better about this team going into the season.

724
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think is going to happen is that because

725
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 3: we have this twenty eight man roster, the Mets are

726
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: going to use that roster spot for an extra bather.

727
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: I feel like almost every single team in baseball is

728
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: going to use that those two spots to add two

729
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: extra arms and carry like fourteen or fifteen pitchers have

730
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: a twenty eight man roster, but the Mets just have

731
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: this locked and loaded five man bench of Dom jd

732
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: Needo Canogi or may so. I guess that's actually technicly

733
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: format match because one of those guys will be in

734
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: the lineup every day theoretic. Theoretically, yeah, I guess the

735
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: really good one of them has to be. But it's

736
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: still basically five. I would say bench caliber players. Maybe

737
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: JD and Dom can hit enough. I don't know if

738
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: they can play the field enough. It's available to them whatever,

739
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: And there's no real backup outfielder in that mix. So

740
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: Worldboll Jankowski, I think that's what's about to say. Travis

741
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: schankowskis almost definitely going to be the guy who gets

742
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: that roster spot. Besides an extra picture, and it would

743
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: just be end up carrying thirteen pitchers, which again it's

744
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: not really the worst thing in the world. But he's

745
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: also he's a major league baseball player, Like, he's fast.

746
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: He again just loves hit the ball in the ground,

747
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: so he plays a good defensive center field, and just

748
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: they better fucking like use these guys, like pinch it

749
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: for somebody in the fifth inning. There's a if there's

750
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: a different picture on the mount, your matchup is different,

751
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: or like there's a guy on base and James McCann's

752
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: coming up in the seventh, put someone else up there.

753
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: Either dom or j D depending on the handedness of

754
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: the picture, and then bring neither win the inning. After that,

755
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: if you're gonna have a big bench, use it to

756
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: your advantage. Don't just let these guys sit in the

757
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: pine for three days in a row.

758
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Well, there's a good chance too that maybe they carry

759
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: a third catcher, so it could be. I feel like

760
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything of Mezica. Where's he at?

761
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: He was definitely around the beginning of spring training. No

762
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: idea where he's that, but he could be the option

763
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: to that their catcher. But then you get that they're

764
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: catcher on there, It's just like, I don't know if

765
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: he can give you anything with the battle or the

766
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: glove for sure. Yeah, I'd rather just bringing out one

767
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: of these outfielders out up here we could run.

768
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: I was just thinking more than that pinch hit situation

769
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: where like mccannor and Neil come up late and you

770
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: want to get a different bat in there at least

771
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: if that next guy who comes in has something go wrong,

772
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: We're not putt Jeff McNeil behind the plate. Who's our

773
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: emergency catcher.

774
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: As we know, Yeah, definitely, but the just kind of

775
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: feels like as the Mets closed spring training here one

776
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: more week of games coming up. That there's like just

777
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: like a gigantic micro Conforto shaped hole in the middle

778
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: of this roster no one's really talking about and it

779
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: has absolutely no steam whatsoever, and it's kind of shocking

780
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: how quiet that front is.

781
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we got some information that can Fororda

782
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: might not be the biggest sabermetrics guy, and that came

783
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: out in like the you know, Chili Davis article all

784
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, that there were some guys around

785
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: the team that maybe didn't like to listen to all

786
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: the information stuff that was being given to him. We

787
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: also know possibly about a little on vaccination stuff, which

788
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: could be a problem, although now it's clear that city

789
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: field so be that big of a deal. But it

790
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: feels like, like you said, Michael Conforta would slott in

791
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: really well somewhere with this team. That left handed bat

792
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: would do some damage here. And I think it is

793
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: so bizarre that his market is just seemingly non existent

794
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: because he's at worst like a league a better than

795
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: league average hitter, Like we saw probably one of the

796
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: course his worst seasons last year, and he was league average,

797
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: and that was like a pretty awful, awful season of his.

798
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: So it's crazy that no one seems to be interested

799
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: in them all because there's teams around the league that

800
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: need him more than the Mets. So really, at the

801
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: end of the day, is it just the Mets playing

802
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: like a little hard wall, like we're gonna wait it

803
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: out and we're gonna sneak in and get you here

804
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: for dirt cheap when you have no other options.

805
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 3: His worst season since twenty sixteen, which was a bad

806
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: year for him. He had to get a little bit

807
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: of a sophomore slump when he was twenty three years old,

808
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: But since twenty seventeen, he was no worse than nineteen

809
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: percent better than league average in terms of WRC plus

810
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: and any complete season, and of course the fifty four

811
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: game twenty twenty, maybe he played a little bit inflated,

812
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: a little bit above his skis, But this is a

813
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: guy who it's just so clearly not bad. And I

814
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 3: think that other teams in the league have the issue

815
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: of whether or not they're going to give up a

816
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: draft pick to sign a guy short term, because I

817
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: think that Scott Bori is probably still trying to get

818
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: up good fourth to the type of like four for

819
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: eighty deal that he thinks is even less than his

820
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: value anyway. In truth, it actually might be, but those

821
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: teams probably don't want to do that, and again, they

822
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: also don't want to give a draft pick for god,

823
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: they're not gonna have for two years. So it's almost

824
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: like we're getting to this forced marriage between good Fourth

825
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: and the Mets. That was almost like that. It's just

826
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 3: like it does. It doesn't really make sense for anyone

827
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: besides us, as crazy as that sounds. But then you

828
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: also wonder if other teams around the league are also

829
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: aware that he might be a bit of an ordinary

830
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: fellow and that that could also be something that push

831
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: you away from a contract. That could be a reason

832
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: that the Mets internally haven't even entertained it. But at

833
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: some point he makes this team vastly better, and I wonder,

834
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if we're going to hear anything about that

835
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: this week.

836
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, his contract would be super interesting too, because Castiano's

837
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of got the contract that you expect a Confordo

838
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: to be similar to that, like five year, hundred million,

839
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: twenty million a year, and then you Jorge Silaire, who

840
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: got the three year, thirty six million dollars deal I

841
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: think from the Marlins. So he's kind of in between

842
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: those because he's not gonna get the Casteanos money right now,

843
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: and he's not gonna get as low as Hojorge Solaire.

844
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: So is he like a one year fifteen million. I mean,

845
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: he's feel like Canfordo's probably eating crow a little bit

846
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: here and should have taken that qualifying offer at the

847
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: end of the day.

848
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: But I think that offer is probably still relatively on

849
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: the table, Like I'm sure they just would say, like,

850
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: if you want to come back one for eighteen, exactly

851
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: what we offered you before, and then just keep going

852
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: next to you right out and the mess just losing

853
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: the opportunity for a pick. I'd rather have a guy

854
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: who's probably gonna slide in and be one of the

855
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: better outfielders on this team. A team is starving for one,

856
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: and then you could push. You could have a rotating

857
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: DH between Canna, Nimo and Marte, especially as Nimo we

858
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: know is not always the most healthy and while Marte

859
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: is getting more healthy, then it kind of makes it

860
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: a little more competitive for the Canoe j d Dom.

861
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: You're not really relying on one of those guys, if

862
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: you get Mo out CONFORDO, and I think everyone can

863
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: agree that Michael Conford though, is a better hitter right

864
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: now than probably JD can Dom or Cano.

865
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even if you bind them and you hit

866
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: Dom against righty's JD against lefties, KILFORDO, I think is

867
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: still the better player.

868
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: And also you could just with these two left handed outfielders.

869
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: I think, Ken Ken, how's already you have the great

870
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: platoon partners between j D and Don or whoever is

871
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: not the DH that day. Like it just this entire

872
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: roster becomes much more whole with another very solid left

873
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: handed bat who can play the outfield on it, and

874
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: he seems to be the one.

875
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he would fit really well. The big question though,

876
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: is do the Mets feel that, do the Mets see

877
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: him as the guy. And like, you got to imagine

878
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Sandy who he brought in CONFORDO, right, Sandy.

879
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: I think he's probably one of his drafts.

880
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta imagine that Sandy's probably fighting for him,

881
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: and you gotta imagine that seems like maybe Eppler's not

882
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: as in Again, this is all speculation. We have no

883
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: actual proof whatsoever, but just thinking about how this organization works.

884
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: Eppler and those guys came in. They wanted to start new,

885
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: and Confordo was kind of a bit of the old

886
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: and especially if he was pushing against all this new information.

887
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: We know that he didn't like when Keith R. Nandez

888
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: was giving him tips back in the day. So maybe

889
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: he is a little bit stubborn, Maybe he doesn't like

890
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: to hear what he's doing wrong. Maybe it's an attitude issue.

891
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: But as a player, he really does help this team hit.

892
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: His last year was so out of the blue compared

893
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: to the rest of his career. I just simply won't

894
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: believe that that is anything close to the normous. It's

895
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: the red herring. And like if he does sign somewhere

896
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: else for like three for fifty, like someone's gonna get

897
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: a deal, and it would just seem like it would

898
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: be whove making fourth with so much to take a

899
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: one year deal and try and recoup most of his value,

900
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: Like it'd be so easy for him to recoup his value,

901
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: even if he's just like solid next year. He's not

902
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: the one thirty one to forty WRC guys, even just

903
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: like a one ten to one to twelve guy with

904
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: competent defense. He'll get himself something close to the Costiano

905
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: contract next year. Like it's highly possible.

906
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was gonna say. He's twenty nine

907
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: years old, play well like we've seen him play, and

908
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna get in between that schober Casteano's deal, I think.

909
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: And I like it won't even be most teams won't

910
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: even feel that much of an issue to give it

911
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: to him. He just turned twenty nine too, he was

912
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: twenty eight two weeks ago.

913
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there are so many teams that need him,

914
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: like the White Sox. You would think the White Sox

915
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: would be all over Michael Confordo. You'd think the Padres.

916
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: Sharre on some weird shit. The Padres, I think Void

917
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: kind of filled that voide for them. And the team

918
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: that makes the most sense is the Blue Jays. And

919
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: we saw the Blue Jays make a trade to free

920
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: up some money last week when they sent Randall Gritchwick

921
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: the Colorado for Raimaltapia. But if he's not vaccinated, he

922
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: just can't play. Yeah, So like that kind of takes

923
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: that team completely out of the equation, one of the

924
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 3: team that seemed like they woud be the most aggressive,

925
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: the team that could really use him. He would do

926
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: the team he would change the bottom line the most

927
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: is a goddamn Cleveland Guardians. But they've spent exactly zero

928
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: dollars to see this offseason.

929
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: They haven't spent anything the A's have spent. The A's made.

930
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: One movement was bringing back the name they will mention.

931
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: Too, the name we will mention and Stephen Vote.

932
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I forget it. I can't forget.

933
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: Steven Vote, the two starting ball players, Mark you missed him.

934
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: We might be able to pay Steven Vote.

935
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: And probably prob scraped together the left handed catching platoon.

936
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: But just like there's teams that are gonna sign it,

937
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: but it just seems like no one wants to give

938
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: up the draft pick and pay him money for multiple years.

939
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: So again, it seems like we're just we're just slowly

940
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: dragging out to this deal with the Mets, unless CONFORDA

941
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: wants to pull the crazy Boris move and wait until

942
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: May a very good player gets injured or something somewhere,

943
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: and then he gets a three year deal where for

944
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: their sixty mil.

945
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Gun to your head, does Michael do the Mets sign

946
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: Michael confordo I.

947
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: Look, he started to think.

948
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm thinking kind of yeah, maybe seeh Like I feel

949
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: like they would have already if they were going to

950
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that's making me say no. But,

951
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: like you said, if this team really, if this team

952
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: is trying to be smart and trying to really win, now,

953
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: talk about a move that would make this team a

954
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: lot more scary. Michael Conford to this lineup makes a

955
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: hell of a lot deeper, a hell of a lot

956
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: more strong, and just especially against right handed pitching, great

957
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: right handed pitching lineup, I.

958
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: Don't even think's yeah, I don't eve think scary is

959
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: the words just like solid, Like he just really adds

960
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: to the floor. He's like that kind of oatmeal we've

961
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: been talking about for a while, like all the projection

962
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: systems that kind of run baseball nowadays, especially in terms

963
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: of these front offices. The all thing about Canfurtha is

964
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: going to be like at worse fifteen percent better than

965
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: league average and the most favorables having twenty three percent

966
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: better with twenty three homers, seventy five seventy five, twelve

967
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 3: percent walks, twenty one percent strikeouts two sixty three, sixty

968
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: four to sixty slash. That's like, because we want the good.

969
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: It's a good players. The guy's will be worth beween

970
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: two and a half and three wins.

971
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: We're talking about Robinson Cano hitting fifty. Put Michael Conforta

972
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: right in that five spot, and all of a sudden

973
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: you're like, well, hold on a second, hold on a second.

974
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: This lineup just got very strong.

975
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: No, yeah, Mike Conford, though it still has fucking ceiling,

976
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: like Mike Confourd, though he probably has. His best season

977
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: was that year when he when he fucked up his

978
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: shoulder and ruined it, and the sixty game twenty twenty, like,

979
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: he'll probably never get to that level again where he's

980
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: hitting like two ninety with thirty five home run power

981
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: and twenty seventeen one hundred nine games, he's twenty seven

982
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: homers and need to eighty.

983
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

984
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: That's super good. That's amazing, like God, but there's something

985
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: there's still more in that bad and the way he

986
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: ended last year. Most met fans see him as like

987
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: a leper and doesn't make any sense to me.

988
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: I mean, even at times last year you could probably

989
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: find some clips of me saying, get this guy off

990
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: this team. I'm done with Michael Confordo. I feel like

991
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: every Met fan did that at some point.

992
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: I don't think we wudn't even have to look hard.

993
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 3: But I've had the exact I've had the exact same

994
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: tune about this guy the whole time, like he's still

995
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: good man.

996
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think as Mets fans, it's really

997
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: refreshing that the problem that we're talking about right now

998
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: is whether or not we should be signing Michael Confordo

999
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: as our fourth outfielder slash DH option, something that Mets

1000
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: seams in the past did not have an issue with.

1001
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: I think he's been in Canna. I think that pushes

1002
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: Canna out of the fourth outfield. Dam you're a Canna

1003
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: hater man on the canadi He's good, but Mike and

1004
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: ford is better.

1005
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Canna is better all around.

1006
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I think offensively Confordo has Confordo has a little bit

1007
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: on Mike Marcanna. I think they're very close. Defensively, Canna

1008
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: is very, very good in the outfield. I don't think

1009
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: that he gets talked about how how good he is

1010
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: in the outfield enough.

1011
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he's very I think he's just fine

1012
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: there I think. I mean, he's like his I've never

1013
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: seen any like defensive metrics have him doing anything better

1014
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: than average. And he's a fine hither and he's had

1015
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: the last couple of years his career have been good.

1016
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: But I mean, I just get so worried when these

1017
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: new guys come to City Field they get swallowed up.

1018
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: It's such a fear I have. And maybe it's just

1019
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: like on it's not, it's not warranted, but I get

1020
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: so scared when these guys come to City Field.

1021
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: By the way, just a little fun fact, Mark Canna

1022
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: seventy fourth percentile outs above average last year.

1023
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, I was, I was on fangrafts. So there,

1024
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: there you go.

1025
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: There's actually a rumor and a report that there's gonna

1026
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: be humidors in all thirty baseball parks.

1027
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: That's not the rumor, no report, that's one hundred percent.

1028
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: Oh, it's fact. Okay.

1029
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: So in fact, yeah, Boog Boog said it clarified by

1030
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: enos Aires.

1031
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's actually kind of big for the Mets

1032
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: in City Field because there's actually theories that the humid

1033
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: oor will reverse and make the ball more bade.

1034
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: At City Field, can I burst your bubble.

1035
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Yes, do it for me.

1036
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: The mess've had a human door for two years.

1037
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, well then will fuck me.

1038
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: I guess there's sorry about that. This is the fucking

1039
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: jet streams man Laguari is killing us.

1040
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Well. I mean that was great. We haven't had a

1041
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: nice baseball argument in a while. Talking Canna talking, Confordo talking.

1042
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: We're not talking about Canna. Stop labeling me as a

1043
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: Canna I hater. Why tweet that the other day? It's

1044
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: not Warrington, I'm labeling you as a Canna hater. Not true.

1045
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: But anyway, we talked about Cano being a bum. And

1046
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: then how great the gram sures are, Alonzo Lindor all

1047
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: the guys that matter. Look eve, Jeff McNeil getting some hits,

1048
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: looking like the old Jeff McNeil slapping the ball the

1049
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: other way. I love to see it.

1050
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: Jeff had some some frustrating ground outs today. I saw him.

1051
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 3: I saw him clench. They didn't do it. He didn't throw.

1052
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: Anything, and gets trying his hardest to knock get so

1053
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: insanely mad, and I respect it. That's called growth. And Jeff,

1054
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a father. He's growing.

1055
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: I actually had a Jeff Miguel. Really. Congratulations to Jeff.

1056
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: I didn't know it.

1057
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a couple couple months old. But yeah,

1058
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a father.

1059
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: There was one thing I did want to make him

1060
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 3: by Jeff McNeil and the it seems like the internal

1061
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: respect he still has as a hitter because in the

1062
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: last two spring training games he hit third and he

1063
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: hit lead off. So I think that maybe some people,

1064
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: including us, have thought he might hit lower in the order.

1065
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: It seems like the Mets are still committed to giving

1066
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: him a primary lineup spot.

1067
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably slots in it too, especially if Martes

1068
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: kind of a little If he's probably are too two

1069
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: wish hitter in that possibly.

1070
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, depending on how this goes. But I think that

1071
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: was important to note that they still see him as

1072
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: a as a bad Yes.

1073
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: So, Jeff McNeil's Buck Showalter player if I've ever seen one.

1074
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were most up to that. There was

1075
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: a clip that they went to Buck Showalter like the

1076
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Speaker 3: second or third ending, and they were talking about his

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Speaker 3: hand at the leadership whatever Todds deal was spewing nonsense

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Speaker 3: as usual, and Bucket just sitting in the dug out

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Speaker 3: smelling a baseball.

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Speaker 1: Dude, we might never talk about them. As you see

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Speaker 1: that he just taking rips of a baseball.

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Speaker 3: That was amazing. That's that's a yes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you guys that are

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Speaker 1: listening have truly smelled a baseball, but it's a fat

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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic smell. Like if they can make an

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Speaker 1: air freshener for that I have in my house.

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Speaker 3: Dude. I went I hit in the cage for the

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Speaker 3: first time in like five years the other day with

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Speaker 3: my buddy, went to like a beautiful, a beautiful youth

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Speaker 3: baseball field the Hill and La Joya during the school

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Speaker 3: day and we just went to the cage with some

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Speaker 3: balls and pitched to each other and then threw it

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Speaker 3: around the outfield after What a great time hitting is?

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Speaker 3: I forgot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got softball games coming up here. We gotta

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Speaker 1: get ready.

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Speaker 3: Yeah next Saturday, right fuck yeah?

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Speaker 1: But anyway, here, guys, that's gonna be what we how

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Speaker 1: we wrap it up here on episode number eighty of

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Speaker 1: the Mets Up Podcast. Remember to drop us a review

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Speaker 1: of five start rating. We'll give you a shout out

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Speaker 1: with the C and uh yeah, we'll see on the

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Speaker 1: next episode of the mess Up Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Guys, peace out, peace out, guys. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: The spar sp