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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social

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Speaker 1: distancing style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. Coming

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Speaker 1: from our humble abodes and uh West, the Easter Bunny

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Speaker 1: came a couple of days late, but better late than never.

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Speaker 1: We got our headphones back. We got our headphones back.

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Speaker 1: We have microphones. Slowly but surely, Mike, this is turning

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Speaker 1: It was weird. It has been something a challenge, you

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Speaker 1: We're back in a little bit more in our element. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue today with our pre draft series,

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Speaker 1: taking a look at the Packers roster position by position

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Speaker 1: between now and the draft. There is a written series

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Speaker 1: corresponding to this on Packers dot com if you want

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Speaker 1: to check out what is there on the website. Today

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Speaker 1: we're going to touch on wide receivers and tight ends

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Speaker 1: and boy West, if there is a position that people

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Speaker 1: are talking about. This entire offseason. With regard to the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, it is the wide receiver position. Give

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Speaker 1: me your take as of right now on where you

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Speaker 1: feel this position group is heading into next week's draft. Well,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of uncertainty After Davante Adams. I

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Speaker 1: think you saw Alan Lazard step up in a huge

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Speaker 1: of people are expecting that a year ago at this time,

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Speaker 1: maybe everyone other than Hakim Butler that I was talking

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Speaker 1: to back at the combine. I remember him really, you know,

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Speaker 1: praising Allan for what he did at Iowa, stating what

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Speaker 1: he could potentially add to the Packers offense. He got

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Speaker 1: that opportunity, he end up getting cut at the end

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Speaker 1: of training camp, ends up having you know, a really

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Speaker 1: star spangled season for the Packers. So you have him

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Speaker 1: in that mix, you have Marquez veld Is Scantling, who

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Speaker 1: I think is we've seen Mike overtime is such a

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Speaker 1: huge playmaker in this offense. He did go through some

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Speaker 1: rough patches last year. The argument that I said at

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Speaker 1: the end of last season, I will maintain this going

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Speaker 1: into next year. Kids still has all the talent in

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Speaker 1: the world, though I think he was only one big

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Speaker 1: play away from being back in his groove. As difficult

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Speaker 1: it is to you, everyone wants to live in the moment.

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Speaker 1: But if you remember what he did coming out of

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Speaker 1: the gates in two thousand and eighteen, he's an increcredibly

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Speaker 1: talented guy and also has some good speed that you know,

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Speaker 1: when you when you bring everything else together, you know,

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Speaker 1: can really make up a complete receiver in this league.

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Speaker 1: So I look at Lizard, I look at MVS, and

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Speaker 1: then certainly you know this all revolves around Davante Adams.

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams is one of the premier receivers in this league. Now,

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Speaker 1: who can you find to complement his skill set to

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Speaker 1: bring in a Randall cob At, Jordy Nelson, uh Greg

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Speaker 1: couple of years here it's you know, basically Ben Davontae

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Speaker 1: Adams and a rotating crew. Finding more established playmakers in

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Speaker 1: this offense, I think is one of the big keys

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Speaker 1: regardless of what happens in the draft next week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the way I see this Packers wide receiver

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Speaker 1: group after Davante Adams is a question mark sort of

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Speaker 1: opportunity to answer that question you mentioned with Lazard and

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Speaker 1: how he rose up into that number two spot by

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Speaker 1: think the question with Lazard is can he continue to ascend?

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Speaker 1: You know, will his arrow continue to be pointing up

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Speaker 1: in terms of his development MVS that you mentioned. Can

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Speaker 1: is he Can he come back from that season ending

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Speaker 1: end of his rookie season when really he was ahead

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Speaker 1: week out basis, who is going to influence defensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: in some way. Uh, similarly to how Davante Adams is

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Speaker 1: so to speak. The Packers need to find that other

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Speaker 1: far as how the pecking order gets reshaped or restocked.

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Speaker 1: Where those guys ranked behind Adams. Yeah, because you want

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Speaker 1: to have a wide open competition. You want that to

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Speaker 1: bring out the best in this entire group. But at

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Speaker 1: where Devin Funch just kind of fits in because he's

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Speaker 1: already played five NFL seasons or at least been you know,

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Speaker 1: Devin Funches, he was a second round pick five years ago.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy that went twelve spots ahead of

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Speaker 1: where the Packers ended up getting Davantae. Yeah, Davante Adams

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Speaker 1: I really like about him in this offense, and I

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Speaker 1: kept alluding to this since the day that they signed him,

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Speaker 1: I just think there's so many opportunities when it comes

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Speaker 1: There're gonna be so many ways the Packers are gonna

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Speaker 1: can throw all these guys in a hat together. There's

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Speaker 1: also an incredibly enticing draft class that the Packers are

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people have said is probably one

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Speaker 1: So seeing how Brian Goodquins navigates these waters it those

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Speaker 1: three days of the draft, I'm I'm convinced the Packers

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Speaker 1: and man, there are a lot of guys that choose from. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: deep as it's been at wide receiver in a long time.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people wondering, will the Packers

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Speaker 1: use their first round pick at number thirty overall on

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Speaker 1: Jury Judy and Henry Ruggs most likely almost certainly will

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Speaker 1: have this group of guys. It's about a half dozen

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Speaker 1: of the second round. And that group, in my mind

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Speaker 1: Denzel Mims from Baylor, and Jalen Reagor from TCU. That's

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Speaker 1: I think in other years you'd be talking about second round.

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Speaker 1: course there are all kinds of trade possibilities if Brian

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Speaker 1: which I think the Packers are going to. But of

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Speaker 1: receiver is not the only position on the priority list. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my favorite receiver in this draft is Henry Ruggs. I

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Speaker 1: reminds me of that Greg Jennings type receiver. He could

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Speaker 1: Packers are looking for in receivers. Big, physical, and and

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Speaker 1: And the body type thing is an interesting question because

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Speaker 1: If are the Packers going to look for the different

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