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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy Wilson.

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Speaker 1: And it's Friday for a lot of people, not everyone,

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Speaker 1: I know, not everyone lives on the same weekly schedule,

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Speaker 1: but for a lot of people at the end of

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Speaker 1: the week, which means it's time for our little casual

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Speaker 1: chats about the topics we have covered this week, one

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Speaker 1: of those being Casper David Friedrich, who uh is such

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Speaker 1: an amazing painter and really more influential than he usually

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Speaker 1: gets credit for. Uh. He's one of those ones where

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Speaker 1: he was so prolific. Anytime we do a painter, it's

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Speaker 1: always tricky because you want to talk about absolutely everything,

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Speaker 1: and you can't because then you would just be uh

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Speaker 1: talking about descriptions of paintings and or books or whatever,

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Speaker 1: forever and ever and not getting to the meat of

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Speaker 1: their story. So you have to kind of carefully parse

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Speaker 1: those out. Um. One of his paintings that I wanted

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Speaker 1: right space for it in that episode is his painting

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Speaker 1: The Sea of Ice, which he did uh Ino, And

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Speaker 1: this is one of those paintings where it is uh

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Speaker 1: you realize only after a while, at least I the

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Speaker 1: first time I looked at it, when I was much

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Speaker 1: much younger, it took me a while to realize there's

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Speaker 1: a boat in this painting, because it is basically like

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Speaker 1: this big moment of conflict on a sheet of ice

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Speaker 1: the air, and then you kind of see that a

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Speaker 1: boat is involved, and it's kind of off to the side,

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Speaker 1: and it's very small by comparison to the composition of

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Speaker 1: the rest of the picture, which are these big chunks

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Speaker 1: of ice floating in a sea. And that doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: when I describe it like maybe the most compelling thing,

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Speaker 1: but when you look at it, it is an incredibly

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Speaker 1: dramatic image, um with some really beautiful like angular work

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Speaker 1: that's quite um detailed and engaging in ways that one

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Speaker 1: would not expect of that subject matter in my opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I just pulled it up here on my computer

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Speaker 1: that would look like. And uh, you might imagine if

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Speaker 1: it's if it's a field of ice or a sea

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Speaker 1: of ice that it would mostly be in tones of

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Speaker 1: like white and blue and gray, which there is a

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Speaker 1: that's been more like gotten more dirt in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Oh. I love his painting. So

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting. It's very dramatic, which again that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the draw for me anyway, of of um, any

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Speaker 1: of Custopher Frederick's work, it's because he he does we

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Speaker 1: talked about in the episode, like his work with Sepia

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Speaker 1: skilled at contrast with a limited color palette, and that

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Speaker 1: plays over into his work. Even once he's working in

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Speaker 1: still has this incredible sense of play within small areas

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Speaker 1: even of painting where it's like this is only a

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Speaker 1: that it's interesting because you don't get a lot of

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Speaker 1: information about his inner life. Uh, he was painting all

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Speaker 1: why there has been so much debate over things like

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Speaker 1: he was young. We're really what informed his kind of

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Speaker 1: death and funerals, or if he just found that beautiful,

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Speaker 1: because he did also grow up in a place that

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Speaker 1: a place that gets very cold. Uh So, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: an And plus he had many influencers that we talked

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Speaker 1: like that drove him to be I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I would say a workaholic, but he he never really

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Speaker 1: took any big hiatus times in his life. So again,

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Speaker 1: someone would just magically find a diary of his where

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Speaker 1: we find out that really he was thinking about like

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Speaker 1: bunnies and butterflies at all times, just because it would

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Speaker 1: thinking about at all times, but it would be funny.

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Speaker 1: But I hope that any time we do an episode

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Speaker 1: that artist's work, because especially in the case of Friedrich.

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Speaker 1: both art architecture. Even some writers will cite his work

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Speaker 1: to how the past is still impacting the present all

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Speaker 1: the time. So our other episode this week was on

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Speaker 1: the lunch counter sit ins UH included being the Greensboro

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Speaker 1: movement that started before that and continued into the nine sixties. UM.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly to me this is UH. I grew up UH

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Speaker 1: Winston Salem's gotten bigger, right since I was growing up

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Speaker 1: The part about the hot chocolate? Yeah, it was like

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Speaker 1: Like there's so much else to be angry about it,

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Speaker 1: Um and Uh, Relatively frequently I'll realize that, like a

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