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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number thirty six.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show, Dan and I are joined by

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Speaker 1: Avid big Buck hunter and outdoor writer Don Higgins, and

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Speaker 1: we're discussing late season hunting tactics. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast. And as I mentioned today

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Speaker 1: in the show, we've got a great guest joining us.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, Dan, how have you been.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good, doing pretty good. Let's see Saturday, I

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Speaker 1: should say I'm good. I'm feeling great, I'm not sick.

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Speaker 1: It's dreary day in Iowa. But Saturday night I went

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Speaker 1: out around my hunting properties just to drive around to

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Speaker 1: see how many shotgun hunters were on it. I'll tell you,

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Speaker 1: and this is why my late season hunting is very difficult.

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Speaker 1: I counted five different trucks on because no one drives

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Speaker 1: towards the back early because it gets muddy and it's

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Speaker 1: approached from a different angle by the guys who hunt

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Speaker 1: on the backside. But there was five different trucks up

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Speaker 1: top and where all the foods at. And although I

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Speaker 1: didn't see them dragging anything out of the woods, I

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Speaker 1: know that they're in there, and uh so they're they're

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Speaker 1: smashing it up right now. Yikes. Yeah, Um, that is

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Speaker 1: tough when you when all that competition comes in. That's disheartening.

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Speaker 1: I know how that feels. But um, I'm in the

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Speaker 1: process of winning the lottery. So when that happens, then

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Speaker 1: I'll buy my own land and then nobody can hunt

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Speaker 1: it except me and maybe some family member. And well Mark,

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Speaker 1: you'll come and you'll shed hunt it and find the

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Speaker 1: biggest sheds. Of course, I like that plan about. It's

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Speaker 1: so funny you mentioned it like every time I like,

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Speaker 1: I go out to breakfast with the buddy every once

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Speaker 1: in a while, or hanging out with some other hunting buddies,

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Speaker 1: and we always get to talk. And man, how nice

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Speaker 1: to be to win the lottery and just buy some

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Speaker 1: great piece of ground and just live out all the

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Speaker 1: dreams that we have, because man, it can be it

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Speaker 1: can be a little disheartening when you're, you know, working

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Speaker 1: on your little forty acres you have permission on here,

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Speaker 1: or the pieces you've got on public land over there,

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Speaker 1: and it's never quite as easy as it looks on TV.

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Speaker 1: As it never absolutely never. But you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing, right if things were easy, If

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Speaker 1: if hunting these deer was piece of cake, we probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't enjoy as much, we wouldn't learn from it and

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Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. So or do just want

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Speaker 1: it easy now? Now? You're right, oh man? But yeah

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Speaker 1: for me otherwise, uh, pretty decent. Um. I get a

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Speaker 1: little bit of coal and coming down with over here. Um,

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Speaker 1: but other than that, not bad. Went on hunting a

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Speaker 1: couple of times since we talked last. Um, I had

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Speaker 1: a little bit bad luck. I went out Jeez a

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Speaker 1: couple of two days ago, I think it was, and

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Speaker 1: went to one of my spots where I thought I'd

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Speaker 1: have a great chance of shooting a dough and um,

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Speaker 1: that was my plan that I had just said. You

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm at this point, I've pretty much turned

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Speaker 1: my attention just to shooting some doughs. We do have

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Speaker 1: a big coal front coming through in two or three

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back into my one kind of core

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Speaker 1: area that I haven't hunted too much, and give it

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Speaker 1: two or three days of good hunts, and um try

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Speaker 1: to shoot a back there. And there's that one nice

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Speaker 1: doughs because on these couple of properties here in Michigan

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Speaker 1: that I hunt, UM, there is a huge population of doughs,

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Speaker 1: like dramatically, um too many doughs for the holding capacity

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Speaker 1: try to harvest a handful of does and have some

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Speaker 1: long story short with this whole encounter was I have

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Speaker 1: been seeing all this deer and I said, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: new plan. So because of that, I had mature dough

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Speaker 1: I'll be figured out what was going on with that gun. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that was frustrating, I guess would be the best

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Speaker 1: the only one who has those feelings. I have like

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Speaker 1: I it would literally take an army to get a

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Speaker 1: not shooting the doze in certain areas of the farm

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Speaker 1: just because it's difficult to get to. Yeah, yeah, it definitely. Um,

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Speaker 1: my buddy Josh, and hopefully between the three of us

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Speaker 1: and then after that's Christmas, and then it's New Year's

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Speaker 1: and then uh gosh, two thousand fifteen, So right, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be pretty crazy. I gotta say, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's wild that two thou fourteen is almost done. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe how fast I was talking to my

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Speaker 1: buddy Ryan, the guy who came to Iowa and was

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Speaker 1: having this conversation like, do you even remember hunting this year?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the two weeks went so fast, it was

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Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous. And yeah, we were we had

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Speaker 1: a blast and had fun. But when you're working that

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Speaker 1: But leading up to deer hunting, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: know it, we're gonna be sitting here talking about post

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Speaker 1: season scouting and then shed hunting and then habitat management

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Speaker 1: and then scouting, and then we're gonna be right back

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Speaker 1: into it all over again. Right the circle of life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess, uh, that's what it is, isn't it. Pump Next,

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Speaker 1: Let's see next weekend, Sunday is the last day of

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Speaker 1: shotgun season in Iowa, I think. So I'm actually going

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Speaker 1: out Sunday night and I'm gonna hang two tree stands

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Speaker 1: that kind of a new a new goal for you? Then?

430
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: Is that magic number of two? Well, I shot my

431
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: two fourteen exactly ten years ago this fall, and I

432
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know if you've read the book, but there's quite

433
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: a story behind that buck. I was accused of some

434
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: wrongdoing and the DNR actually confiscated the buck and I

435
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: had to hire an a turning and get back and

436
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: I was clear of the wrongdoing, but there was just

437
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: a little bit of I don't know, an asterisk, I

438
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: guess beside that buck because of me being accused of

439
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: some wrongdoing, and every hunt that I've ever been on

440
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: since that day, I've always had a video camera. I

441
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: just decided from that point on, I'm going to be

442
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 1: able to prove a everything I ever claimed. So it is,

443
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's just that's the way the world

444
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: is today. And and uh, so many good things happened.

445
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: But I mean I met so many good people that

446
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: came out of the woodwork to support me on that

447
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: deal that I'm not gonna let the bad over rule.

448
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at the good and I'm just gonna

449
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: try to shoot another one. Next time. I'm gonna do

450
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: it on video, and there's gonna be no doubt how

451
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: it was done. There you go. Um, now you mentioned it. Um,

452
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: since we're kind of on this topic, you don't need

453
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: to dive into the controversy afterwards. But could you tell

454
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: us just the story of the hunt for that dear Um.

455
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. Not many people get the chance

456
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: to hear about the story of someone killing a two

457
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: oarnish buck. I'd love to hear that. Yeah. I actually

458
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: seen the buck for the first time on November six

459
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: of two thousand four, and uh it was it was

460
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: the middle afternoon and two hours before dark, bright sunny day,

461
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: and I hear this buck in the brush chasing does

462
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: around grunting, and I'm thinking this has gotta be a

463
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: yearling buck, I mean, no mature bucking his right mine

464
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: is two hours before dark on a bright sunny day,

465
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: is gonna be chasing does grunting through the woods? You know?

466
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: Well what would be old that the does come out

467
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: of the cover and the bucks up behind him. And

468
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: when the buck came out, it was it was the

469
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: biggest buck I've ever seen. It just like took my

470
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: breath away. But he was about thirty yards from me,

471
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: but he was just on high alert, and there was

472
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: no way that I was gonna get my bow drawn

473
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: and get a shot off. And I was hoping that

474
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: those who just feed past me and I get a

475
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: shot at him. But they came right underneath my stand,

476
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: and they turned and went the way they came, And

477
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: when they went into brushs, he just turned and follow them,

478
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: and and that was it. But the very next day

479
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: I seen the same buck on the same farm from

480
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: a different stand, which would have been the seventh of November.

481
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: And then on the eleventh, four days later, I seen

482
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: him again from a third stand. So I've seen the

483
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: buck the sixth, seventh on eleventh from three different stands.

484
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: On the same farm, and you know, by that time,

485
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean when I see him the first time, you know,

486
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a deer, no doubt about it.

487
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: And then that night I went home and I'm thinking

488
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: it was he really as big as I thought he was,

489
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: And I started questioning myself. Well, the next day then

490
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: I see him again at twenty yards, but he was

491
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: in the brush too thick to shoot, but close enough

492
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: that I could tell he was every bit as big

493
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: as what I thought. And from that point on the

494
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: hunt was on. And then on December one, I'd gotten

495
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: permission on the farm right next to the one where

496
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: I was hunting, and uh, I started hunting there. And

497
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: the second time I was on that farm was November

498
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: or December one, and I shot the buck that evening,

499
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: the fourth time I'd seen him from four different tree stands.

500
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: So that is that's pretty incredible. I can't imagine having

501
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: those close encounters of the buck, even just even just

502
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: sing a buck like that, let alone singing four times

503
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: and finally getting getting a shot. So that's all, thank you.

504
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: There's some luck involved, no doubt about it. But I

505
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: just kept after it and sooner or later and it

506
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: just everything worked out, everything fell into place. Were those

507
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: four were those four tree stands all in the same

508
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: general area, or was it was that buck cruising a

509
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: bigger area. The first three encounters was all on a

510
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: property that's probably got maybe thirty acres of cover, and

511
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: all it was it's a growed up cattle pasture that

512
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: growed up in briars and brush. I'm just thick as

513
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: can be. And there was a handful of those staying

514
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: in there on a regular basis, and this buck and

515
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: a couple of others as well, and so I just

516
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: had a handful of stands in that thicket and hunting

517
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: based on wind direction. So you just he's one of

518
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: the bucks that he liked to move in daylight. The

519
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: crazy thing about him, though, is when I seen him

520
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: the first time, I was like, I had one focus

521
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: and that was him, and I was gonna hunted every morning,

522
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: every evening, and I was after him hard. But every

523
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: time I've seen that buck was in the afternoon, and

524
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: every time I seen him was at least an hour

525
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: or more before dark. But I never laid eyes on

526
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: him in the morning, and I never laid eyes on

527
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: him right at dusk. I mean he'd be moving way

528
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: before in the middleway afternoon really reinforces, you know, that

529
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: idea that some all bucks just have different personalities. They

530
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: really are individuals and have their own unique kind of

531
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: quirks and stuff. And once you kind of figure that out,

532
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: it kind of helps you to the pinpoint higher at

533
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: hunt them. That's exactly right. And that buck just kind

534
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: of drove it home for me. I mean, I was

535
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: at that point in my career. I had started to

536
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: put things together right, was dropping good bucks fairly consistently.

537
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: But whenever I this buck, I want my first sceneim

538
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: I only had I'd killed a buck earlier in that year,

539
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: so I was down to one buck tag and I

540
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: was not going to use that tag on any other

541
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: buck except this one. And I had to pass up

542
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: a couple hut bucks, uh as I was waiting on

543
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: this one, and at that time, I'd only done that

544
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: one other time, let a one fifty walk And it

545
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: just that buck just kind of drove home the the

546
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: individual trades you know that that different bucks have. And

547
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: he was just one that he moved in the afternoon

548
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: and he didn't move much in the morning. And since then,

549
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, I've kind of kept that in the back

550
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: of my mind. Whenever I am can't have an encounter

551
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: with a particular buck, you know, I'll note when it

552
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: was and and all the details around the wind direction,

553
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: weather and things like that, and then I'm looking to

554
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: duplicate that down the road. Yeah, it's definitely something that

555
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: the more you can take note of those little pieces

556
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: of the puzzle along the way that you figure out

557
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: eventually you can see that big picture and uh, take

558
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: advantage of it. So yeah, that's right. There's kind of

559
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: some broad rules that somewhat applied all bucks in general,

560
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: but when it comes to hunt in particular bucks, you

561
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: need to you need to kind of figure out those

562
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: little quirks that he has that sets him apart from

563
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: other bucks and and and take advantage of them. Yeah,

564
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: so true. So I think this is a perfect segue

565
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: for us to move into the broader topic of what

566
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about here today, being the late

567
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: season hunting. And I think your example, you killed that

568
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: buck on December one, I think you'd said, and so

569
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: perfect example the fact that people can still have success

570
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: in December or you know, even January if their season

571
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: goes that long. And so I would love to hear

572
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: from you. Done. To kick things off here, what do

573
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: you believe is the single most important thing that someone

574
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: needs to keep in mind during the late season. What's

575
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: the first and foremost thing that everybody needs to keep

576
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: first firsthand thinking about as they start hunting these final weeks. Well,

577
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: you know it's ironic. When I wrote my first book

578
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: ten years ago after I shot that buck, buck, we

579
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: was just talking about A short time later I wrote

580
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: my first book, and when I talk about the late

581
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: season in that first book, I kind of downplayed it

582
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: as one of the worst times of the season two

583
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: to shoot them ature buck. But in the years of

584
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: the past, I've totally changed my mind to under eighty degrees.

585
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Now I believe that the late season is the very

586
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: best time of the year to kill a mature buck

587
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: on purpose. But the key is you you've got to

588
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: you've got to have a good food source, and you've

589
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: got to have an undisturbed bedding location. If you've got

590
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: those two together, and then you've got made because there's

591
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: they're very likely to be a mature buck there. And

592
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: then you just gotta wait for it's about time. And

593
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: if you need the worst weather possible. The worst the

594
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: weather gets, the better your odds. So you know, I've

595
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: got a couple of different farms that I manage and

596
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: uh where I'm allowed to plant food pots and things

597
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: like that. And on both those farms, you know, I've

598
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: got my stands in place. I got the food pots

599
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: in place. I stayed out of the bedding cover all fall,

600
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: and I'm just waiting. I'm just biding my time, waiting

601
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: on the perfect opportunity. And whenever the temperature, you know,

602
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: gets down around zero at night, there's single digits during

603
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: the day of the high. When it does that for

604
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: a few days, you can just you can count on

605
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the bucks on every day in the woods. Real it

606
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if he's a mature buck or yearling buck

607
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: or dough Under those conditions, they're going to be on

608
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: their feet in the afternoon, headed to that food and

609
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: they're more than likely going to get their way before dark.

610
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of set the table throughout

611
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: the entire year by pointing those food plots, by staying

612
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: out of those betting areas. But then when the time's right,

613
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I get into those stands, and you can you can

614
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: kill you know, the biggest buck in the woods on purpose,

615
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: year after year after year that way. Yeah, So I

616
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: want to I want to dive into kind of each

617
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: of those different things you've listed out there, but before that,

618
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: I want to touch on the topic that I think

619
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: is it's on the minds of a lot of people

620
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: right now because we talked about these exact same things

621
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: you listed out here, and the importance of timing and

622
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: waiting for those weather conditions that can get those big

623
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: deer on their feet. But for like me here in Michigan,

624
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: we're dealing with, you know, high forty forty degree temperatures,

625
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: and none of that really great, cold, nasty weather that

626
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: we'd want is in the forecast for the rest of

627
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: the year really um from what we're seeing, and so

628
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people worried, you know, are we

629
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: going to get that late season, whether we need to

630
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: get a big buck on his feet. So my question

631
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: for you, don is, let's say you like you have

632
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: all these things set, you have the food plots, you've

633
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: got the stands, you've stayed out, you've done everything right.

634
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: You're waiting for the right moment, for that right weather.

635
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: What do you do if that correct weather never comes?

636
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: Are you just gonna just not hunt or do you

637
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: have a backup plane? Well, I don't hunt very often,

638
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: that's for sure, because I'm hunting the biggest bucks I

639
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: can find, and a lot of times that means that

640
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at things from just a one season perspective.

641
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: I'm looking to kill that beer and if it happens

642
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: this season, great, but I don't want to go in

643
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: and tip him off when the conditions aren't right. Next

644
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: year he could be twenty inches bigger, and if you've

645
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: educated him, you've just made him, you know, three times,

646
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to kill. So a lot of times, you know,

647
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: if the weather isn't perfect, all hunt secondary locations. I

648
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: will stay out of my prime locations, and uh, you know,

649
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I might watch a feeding area from a distance just

650
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: to see if if there happens to be a buck

651
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: coming out before dark and one that i'd want to target,

652
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: which is very very rare for that to happen. But

653
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm not one just to sit home either. I've gotta

654
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: be out there dom something. So I just as seen

655
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: sit back and watch from a distance and and see

656
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: if maybe there's a buck coming out that that I

657
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you know, under those conditions, but you know,

658
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: mature bucks are unpredictable, so it is a lot of

659
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: your time then. Um, obviously based around food sources. But

660
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: are you on top of the food source on a

661
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: field edge or are you do you hunt back in

662
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: the timber at off? Well, I like to be as

663
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: close to the bedding area as possible without spooking the

664
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: deer gets kind of tough in the late season, you know,

665
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: when the foliage is gone and you've got snow on

666
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: the ground with them, deer can see you getting into

667
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: your stand from a long ways off. Um. But a

668
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: lot of times the bedding cover that I'm hunting is

669
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: it comes right up to the edge of the food plot.

670
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: So I'm but then fifty yards or so with the

671
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: edge of the food but I'm still you know, right

672
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: on the edge of the bedding cover as well. So

673
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: can you can you elaborate on those two pieces right there? Um? First,

674
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I guess let's start with the food source. Can you

675
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: tell us, you know, what are your ideal food sources

676
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: during the late season? Um, could you maybe tell us

677
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: about the types you could plant, and then maybe any

678
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: types of food sources that are found you know naturally

679
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: otherwise well, by far, my favorite food plot is soybeans,

680
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: and the worst the weather gets, the better those soybeans are.

681
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: And they just they'll draw a deer like a magnet um.

682
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: And you're you're using the grain, actually the soybean grain

683
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: to attract those deer other than than the forage or

684
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: anything like that. I also like to mix it up,

685
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: but just to have some things, you know, for diversity, uh,

686
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: turn ups, sugar beets, those kind of mixes. Uh, you know,

687
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: just to give the deer something besides soybeans. Corn something

688
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: that I haven't put much effort into you simply because

689
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: it's it's an expensive crop to grow and get a

690
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: good crop. It just takes a lot more cash outlay

691
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: and equipment at other food plots don't so uh, and soybeans,

692
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: I feel, attract deer better than corn anyway, especially during

693
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: that those brutal cold conditions. As far as natural type browse,

694
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, just anything like for simmons or apples, late

695
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: hanging apples and you know, might still be around. Just

696
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: you want, you want as much diversity as as possible.

697
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: But but a big old pot of soybeans in the

698
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: middle of that will do the RG. Yeah, so so.

699
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: Question about soybeans. One of the knocks against planting soybeans

700
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: for food plots is that they can be browsed under,

701
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: browsed over very quickly in the summer. If you've got

702
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: a small plot of beans, it's easily to be to

703
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: just get it slammed by deer right away and knock

704
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing out. Um, So, how do you go

705
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: about attacking that issue? Do you just plant very large

706
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: soybean fields? Or do you use anything like a food

707
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: plot fence or anything to keep the deer out of

708
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: it until late season? Well, the deer population where I'm

709
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: at has never been to the point where I had

710
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: an issue with them wiping out a food plot. So

711
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: I just make my plots as big as as I

712
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: possibly can. Uh, and they're gonna where they come out

713
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: into the plot, you know, the corners or whatever. They're

714
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: gonna browse it down some there. But I've never really

715
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: had to had an issue like some guys have where

716
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: they've really browse it down to nothing. So I've never

717
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: had to use electric fences or anything like that, although

718
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I've heard good reports from guys that have. Okay, is

719
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: there a minimum size do you think that most people

720
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: should think about that would be kind of the smallest

721
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: you want to go? Or? Am I okay with trying

722
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: to put together a half acre, quarter acre, little honey

723
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: hoole soybean plot. In most parts of the country, if

724
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: there's a decent deer population at all, you're gonna need

725
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: at least an acre, and three acres be even better. Okay.

726
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys when they think about

727
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: food plots are thinking about something the size of a

728
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: garden or a small yard or something like that. And

729
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm usually thinking in terms of a minimum of an acre. Okay,

730
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: And then I guess my final question I've got about

731
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: your food plot tactics here. Um, when you're designing these

732
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: food plots, are you just going with whatever openings you have,

733
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: or are you keeping in mind a specific type of

734
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: shape to the food plots to make it more conducive

735
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: to hunting in any way? Um? What's your thought process there? Well,

736
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm usually going with what what the land affords me

737
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: is are as the trains. Um. I think you can

738
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: overthink things and try to make it a lot harder,

739
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: harder and more difficult than it really is. I would

740
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: rather have, you know, if you had say three or

741
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: four acres that could be put in a food plot,

742
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: rather than try to make it some weird shape that's

743
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: going to force the deer to do this and do that.

744
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the whole thing in food and attract

745
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: more dear to the spot. Okay, interesting kind of my opinion.

746
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand some of these philosophies, but I

747
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: think a lot of that stuff is made to sell

748
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: articles more than it is to kill bucks. So I

749
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: just I don't buy into a lot of the things

750
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: that that that some people promote. I think, just get

751
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: as much food out there as possible, and the deer

752
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: are going to be there fair enough. So then the

753
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: second piece of the equation that we talked about the cover. Um,

754
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, what should somebody looking looking for when it

755
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: comes to quality leave season cover? What does that look like? Well,

756
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: it's extremely thick if it's also got some thermal cover.

757
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: Cedars pines. A lot of the oaks species will not

758
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: A lot of some oaks species will hold their leaves

759
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: in the winter. Pan oaks, salt tooth oak, shingle oaks,

760
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: those species will hold their leaves all winter long and

761
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: provide you know, some wind and thermal cover for the deer,

762
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: But the main thing is you want it thick, but

763
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: you know you want it free of human intrusion. And

764
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: that goes for the entire year. You don't want to

765
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: be stomping in your late season betting area in October

766
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: and in ruin it months before you're you're planning to hunt.

767
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: That freedom of human intrusion is probably the most important thing,

768
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: even more so than the type of plants and and

769
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: the little way of the terrain and everything. See your

770
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: big believer in the sanctuary theory, right, absolutely absolutely. Can

771
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: you tell us a little more in general why you

772
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: think that having a sanctually area is important for the

773
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: whole year? Really, Well, if you just think of like

774
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: a say, a state park or something that is near

775
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: your home you may be familiar with where you know

776
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: you can drive through there any time of the day

777
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: and and see deer browsing and walking about freely with

778
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: what They're not alarmed or anything. And most of the cases,

779
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the only thing that sets that particular cover apart from

780
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: anything surrounding there is just human intrusion or lack thereof,

781
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: And you know, nothing has been done in particular to

782
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: make the betting cover inside that state park any better

783
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: than the cover outside. But it's the freedom of human

784
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: intrusion is why the deer there and why they are

785
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: so comfortable there. And if you can recreate that, even

786
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: on a smaller scale, and on top of that add

787
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: better cover, well then then you've really got it made.

788
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: So is there is there a way to cheat that?

789
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: Because and I'm talking from my own experience where um

790
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: this late season, I'm gonna be going back to my

791
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: bow hunting property where I it has been worked hard

792
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: for three weeks by shotgun hunters and there's not really

793
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: any type of um quote unquote sanctuary. There are, there

794
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: are some spots that are a little bit harder to access,

795
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they weren't pushed going through

796
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: like a drive or something. Well, I like to say

797
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: that every mature buck has a sanctuary, and if he

798
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: didn't need to, never made it to mature status, he'd

799
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: have been killed before that. The thing about sanctuaries, if

800
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: you can create them or you can find them on

801
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: the properties that we have control over, the best thing

802
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: to do is go out and create them, because you

803
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: can make the best cover possible. You can control they

804
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: human intrusion within that area and everything else, and you

805
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: can make an excellent sanctuary. But sometimes that's not possible

806
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: with like you've mentioned, other hunters have access to the

807
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: property or whatever. Well, then you let the deer find

808
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: a sanctuary and created it. Well, he definitely create it,

809
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: but he just finds those pockets, you know, where the

810
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: human intrusion is not there, where he feels safe, and

811
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: you can either create it or you can find it,

812
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: and the buck's gonna be there either way. So this

813
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: makes me think of another topic that Dan and I

814
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: have talked about a few times before, and I imagine

815
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: a scenario like this. Let's say Dan goes into his

816
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: property in two weeks when he goes back to hunt,

817
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, there's been shotgun hunters all over

818
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: the place. So now, like you just mentioned, done, um,

819
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: the mature buck that's left out there, he's identified that

820
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: one pocket of pristine cover where nobody has gone to

821
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: because it's over two ridges and in this big, thick,

822
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: nasty bramble patch, and that's his sanctuary. He's identified the

823
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: spot as a sanctuary. He's still alive. That's where he

824
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: that's where he's at but Dan Dan doesn't know that yet. Now, hypothetically,

825
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: let's a he decides to try something to find that sanctuary.

826
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: And what I'm curious about done is if you think

827
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: this is a good idea or a bad idea. And

828
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: it's what people call the bumping dump where you go

829
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: and you walk until you bump the buck that you're

830
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: after or um, you go into a likely betting area

831
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: and bump him to say, Okay, yep, he's definitely betting there.

832
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: I've identified his sanctuary and then set up right in

833
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: that betting area and try to catch him coming back

834
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: that night or the next morning. Have you ever heard

835
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: of that? Is that a good idea? Bad idea? What

836
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Yeah, I've heard of it,

837
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: and I've never really done it. But one thing about

838
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: but your bucks hutting them in the morning and when

839
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: they're coming back into bed, they will almost always sent

840
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: check their betting area before they hook back in, and

841
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: most of the time they're doing that in the dark,

842
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: and it's just it's really tricky to get in there

843
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: and to get a big buck in bow range in

844
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: the morning and now in the afternoon, it's a whole

845
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: lot different game because he's betted down, he's stationary at

846
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: that point, and then your mobile and you can come

847
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: in and use the wind, direction, cover terrain and things

848
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: like that to get the advantage. And especially if you

849
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: know where he's going when he gets up, if you

850
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: know he's bet at here at point A and he's

851
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna feed at point B, and you know where he's going,

852
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: and you can use all the mother factors to get

853
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: in position to get a shot and do it a

854
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: whole lot better and easier and more successful in the

855
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: afternoon than you can ever do in the morning, because

856
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: in the morning, he's the one that's mobile. He's mobile

857
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: in the dark, and he's sent checking before he ever

858
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: comes in. So it's a pretty tough it's pretty tough

859
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: to pull off. Yeah. So are you avoiding morning sits

860
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: during the late season completely? Yep, definitely, just like October.

861
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: The only time I hunt mornings is in November. Okay,

862
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: now again, I'm I'm trying to try to help my

863
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: buddy Dan out here, right. I just want to keep

864
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: going back to this example. Okay, so Dan doesn't know

865
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: where the sanctuary is. What kind of scouting techniques can

866
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: he employ or anyone in a similar situation employ at

867
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: this time of year to try to figure out, you know,

868
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: where this buck might be because inherently, right, there's the

869
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: risk of spooking that deer. And now, after all this pressure,

870
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: if you do push this deer a couple more times,

871
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: you might never get that one or two chances that

872
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: you might get. So is there anything you can do

873
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: to to learn or figure this out um safely without

874
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: risking too much, you know, spooking that deer. Yeah, it's

875
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: a matter of learning the property you're on, and it's

876
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: going to take a few years. But once you've got

877
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: your property figured out, you're gonna know where that box

878
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: is gonna be, even before he's ever even born. You're

879
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: gonna know today five years from now where mature buck

880
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: is gonna be on your probably five years from now,

881
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be, just based on you know, hunting

882
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: pressure in the train and things like that. So rather

883
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: than I think a lot of hunters are always a

884
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: step behind the deer, They're always trying to figure out

885
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: what the deer doing. And I learned a long time ago,

886
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: instead of being a step behind the deer, you need

887
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: to be a step ahead of them. In other words,

888
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: in October, I know where the deer is gonna be,

889
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: the bucks are going to be in November, and where

890
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: I need to be sitting in November. In November, I

891
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: know where I'm gonna need to be in December, in January.

892
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: So thinking instead of playing, you know, a step behind

893
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: the deer trying to figure out what they're doing today,

894
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: you need to figure out what they're gonna do tomorrow

895
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: and be ready for him when they do. So it's

896
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: really it's learning those typical patterns that deer are gonna

897
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: are going to follow based on the terrain and based

898
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: on the habitat, and then making um you know, educated

899
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: assumptions based on what you know historically these deer do. Yeah,

900
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: because unless something major changes on a property, they're going

901
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: to be doing the same thing year after year after year.

902
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: My question do you then, is how many days would

903
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: you say you hunt out of a year? I mean,

904
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: if you know a property really, really well and you

905
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: know that within this five day period a mature buck

906
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: may walk through this area, are you still hunting a

907
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: lot during the rut or are you just going in

908
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: in the perfect ideal conditions with that historical data during

909
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: the rut, everything's you know, kind of helder skelder, and

910
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: there's just no rhyme, no reason to what a lot

911
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: of bucks are doing during the rut. I put in

912
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: as many hours as I possibly can during the early season.

913
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: In the late season, everything is very methodical. It's based

914
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: on you know, past experience, or you know sightings of

915
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: a buck, or or you know past experiences on a

916
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: specific property. Even for example, I had one property before

917
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: the it got both those away that I killed three

918
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: bucks on October different years, but October fifty this mid October.

919
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: I knew there was a thicket where where there's going

920
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: to be a mature uck every year during mid October.

921
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: And it wasn't based on anything I've seen instantly, but

922
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: just past experience. So I would go take advantage of

923
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: that um same way you know now during the late season,

924
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: I know where the deer are gonna be during the

925
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: late season based on past experience. So you know, I

926
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: guess my hunting philosophy during the late season. In the

927
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: early season is similar. It's all evening only because I

928
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: want to know exactly where that buck's bedding and I

929
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: want to and I've got a pretty good idea when

930
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: he gets up from his bed where he's gonna be going.

931
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: So it's pretty much the same during the rut, it's

932
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: just totally different. I just it's just a matter of

933
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: time in the woods and yeah, and then then like

934
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: you said those other times, it's how about that, It's

935
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: about that timing. So another piece of this pie that

936
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on yet, but I imagine factors to

937
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: some degree into what you're doing this time of the

938
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: year is trail cameras. Are you using trail cameras during

939
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: late season to help you, you know, fine tune any

940
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: of these assumptions and ideas you have, or are you

941
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: avoiding them this time of year. No, I've start running

942
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: trail cameras about the first of July every year and

943
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: run them until the bucks shed their antlers in February

944
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: or March. This time of the year, what I'm doing

945
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: is I've got the trail cameras on food sources, and

946
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, about every ten days or so, I'll check

947
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: them just to see if a new buck might have

948
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: showed up that that wasn't there earlier, and just kind

949
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: of keep tabs on what individual bucks are using particular

950
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: food plots. Yeah, how are you checking those cameras? And

951
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: um what time of day? I'm doing it in the

952
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: middle of the day, and I'm doing it on an

953
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: a t V. I just ride right up to the

954
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: edge of the food plot. I leave the thing running

955
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: and I don't even try to be quiet. But I

956
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: avoid the betting cover, you know, as much as possible.

957
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: I come in from a different direction than from the

958
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: betting cover. Uh by being on that a TV. There's

959
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: deer here. You come and they're not bust them out.

960
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: Like if you would sneak in there and happen to

961
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: bust something, it would be a whole lot more stressful

962
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: on them than that a PUV is Yeah, yeah, okay,

963
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You could use a tractor or anything

964
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: really truck yep, just as long as they don't associate

965
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: with a hunter, right right exactly? Yeah? Okay, So kind

966
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: of moving on to a couple of these other slight

967
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: tactical offshoots. Is there anything else when it comes to

968
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: calling or sense or any of these things that are

969
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: relatively aggressive that people you typically use during the rut?

970
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Is there ever use case for calls, decoys, sense, anything

971
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: like that during the late season you know, years ago,

972
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: I had a situation where we had a blizzard blow

973
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: in and on all the local deer during that blizzard

974
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: hold up in one thicket and I snuck into that

975
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: thicket three different days with rattling antlers, and each time

976
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: I rattled at least one, if not too mature bucks,

977
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: and I never did get one killed for various reasons.

978
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: Um my fault, really, But so I I know those

979
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: tactics can work during the late season, but the longer

980
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: I've hunted, the more I've realized that a mature buck

981
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: is is an animal. It's on edge all the time anyway,

982
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: and the last thing I want to do is putting

983
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: more on edge by making a sound or as sent

984
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: to try to attract him, because I think he's so

985
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: alert anyway that you just make him hyper alert when

986
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: you do that, and the odds in the late season, especially,

987
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: we're just one little creek from your bow or anything,

988
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: and send him, you know, running to the next county.

989
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to put him on alert any more

990
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: than he already is, So I avoid those tactics, even

991
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: though I have no doubt they can work. Okay, all right, Dan,

992
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about this. Do

993
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: you have any other questions for done to help make

994
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: sure you kill a deer here in a couple of weeks,

995
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: I really kill. What is something I may be overlooking

996
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: or anybody could be overlooking for late season? And he

997
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: likes to tactics or strategies. Well, I think the main

998
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: thing is they is most people try to do the

999
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: same thing during the late season that they've done, you know,

1000
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: basically all seasons. They get all hung up on sign

1001
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: for one thing. And you know, I've hunted more than

1002
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: one mature buck that the deer were herded up, except

1003
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: the mature buck wasn't with the herd. He might have

1004
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: fed in this very same field with the herd, but

1005
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: the herd came from one direction and he would come

1006
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: from a totally different because he wasn't bedding with him.

1007
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: So I think you got to keep that in mind

1008
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: that these mature bucks, even though the late season that

1009
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: bad weather can can tip the odd your way just

1010
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: a little more than what they were, they're still survival

1011
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: experts and they're not going to take chances, but they

1012
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: don't have to take So you just got to kind

1013
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: of always go into it with an open mind and

1014
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: not expect the mature buck to be doing what the

1015
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: rest of the herds doing because he's he doesn't do

1016
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: that at the beginning of the season, he doesn't do

1017
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: that during the rut, and he's not gonna do it

1018
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: during the late season. A lot of times, Yeah, it

1019
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: made me think of another thing too done. Um And

1020
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: you know when it comes to, you know, trying to identify,

1021
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, the those rare instances where the mature buck

1022
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: will move and will act, you know, like the rest

1023
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: of the herd maybe will um. Like like we've talked about,

1024
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: it's about that timing. So we've talked about whether right,

1025
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: you know, with a big blizzard coming in or really

1026
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: strong cold front. But what are your thoughts on the

1027
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: impact that moon phase or timing of the moon or

1028
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: barometer and that changing in pressure those two things. How

1029
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: do you think that affects deer movement and does that

1030
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: go into the equation at all when you try time

1031
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: when you should go in and hunt the mature buck. Well,

1032
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure that uh, the barometer and all that does

1033
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: affect dear movement. But to be completely honest, it's something

1034
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: I never really paid a whole lot of attention to

1035
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: I know when the Moon Guide first came out a

1036
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: couple of decades or so ago, I was all over

1037
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: that thing, and what I found was that I would

1038
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: use that to keep from going hunt and I was

1039
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: trying to pinpoint the exact days I should be out there,

1040
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: and I was used as an excuse not to go. Well, uh,

1041
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't long in the first season. I ended up

1042
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: throwing the moon thing away and just going hunting. But

1043
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: weather is absolutely key. I mean, a weather front coming

1044
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: in and if you know there's a funt coming in

1045
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's gonna temperatures are gonna drop twenty degrees from

1046
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: what they are, you're gonna get some snow with it.

1047
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: By all means, you know, it definitely affects the dear

1048
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: movement and and weather is definitely the key for that

1049
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: late season. Yeah. Absolutely. So. You know, for me, when

1050
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: I've from what I've seen and stuff, I've always seen

1051
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: an uptick in movement just a just before that front hits,

1052
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: and then typically the day or two after it hits,

1053
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: or at least after it calms down a little bit.

1054
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that or or anything different that

1055
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: you're seeing? I agree that, Okay, all right, Well, I

1056
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: think for all of us listening and you and me, Dan,

1057
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: we just need to wait for those conditions and hopefully

1058
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: we'll get them. I just don't know if it's gonna

1059
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: happen here soon enough. Yeah, that's that's the big question. Well, Dan,

1060
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to add? Other otherwise?

1061
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think we can wrap things up. No,

1062
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: I learned, definitely learned a lot today. Thanks for coming

1063
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: on the show, Don, Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. Don. If

1064
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: people want to take a look at your books or

1065
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: learn anything more about you, where should they go online

1066
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: to get that information? I think can go to my website,

1067
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: which is Higgins out Doors dot com and uh I

1068
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: have both my books available for sale there on the website,

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00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: and also my consulting business. I've got a page regarding

1070
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: my consulting business and a video there about the consulting UM.

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00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting into that more and more, traveling around to

1072
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: the different Midwestern states and meeting with landowners and helping

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00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: them set up their property for year round success. Really,

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00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: but late season is a period that I focus on

1075
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: because I've seen the results here on my own property

1076
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: of you know what can happen if you're set up

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00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: and ready for the late seasons. Awesome. Well, like Dan said,

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00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: we I think we've all learned a lot awesome advice.

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00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: So Donna really appreciate joining us. Well, thanks for having me,

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00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: and if I can ever help you again, just let

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: me know. Mark sounds great. Don good luck the rest

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00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: of the season. Hi, thanks guys, all right, by bye bye.

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00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: All right, Well, as I expected it would be. I

1084
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: thought that was a great conversation. What do you think, Dan? Yeah,

1085
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: I tell you what, every time that there's a new

1086
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: guest or you know, every time we have a conversation,

1087
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: it sparks a different idea in my head and I

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00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: go back to my you know, to my hunting property

1089
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: or old strategies or whatnot, and just kind of, I

1090
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: don't know, put together what if type strategy in my head.

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00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: So I just, you know, of course, love learning and

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00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: love listening to what others have to say about deer hunting.

1093
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, you and me both. What do you think

1094
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: did uh did this chat give you a few more

1095
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: tips that you might be able to put an action

1096
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: come your final couple hunts? Well, I think if I

1097
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: take all the information that we've talked about over the

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00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, um, and then mix that with

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00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: some ground up magic beans and some liquefied wishes. Then

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00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: and then I think something might happen. But I'm not

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00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: getting my hopes up. You know. I'm definitely going out

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: there to have a good time. And if it happens,

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00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't, but it's still

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00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: a win win situation for me, that's the truth. Well,

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: I got all my fingers and toes cross for you,

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: and uh I, I've got my fingers crossed too, Because

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00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: is that supposed Is that supposed to be a joke? Mark,

1108
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: Because it's not funny. You know, I always forget. I

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: really don't mean to make finger jabs at you. It's

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00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: all right, oh man, that's funny. My daughter, My daughter

1111
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: was counting um my fingers the other day and when

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: she got to the last one, she looked at up

1113
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: at me and then I went wiggled my nubs so

1114
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: and she really didn't know what to do, so she

1115
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: stopped at nine. Your poor child, it's gonna she's really

1116
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: going to be at a disadvantage. In school, they're always well,

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: how many fingers and toes? Well, are you counting my dad.

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00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Are you counting mine? Oh? Man? You know I've had

1119
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: a couple of people email me still wanting to know

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00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: when you're ever going to tell the story of how

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00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: you lost your finger. I don't know. It might We're

1122
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to find a slow week like after shed

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: season before food plots, all right, So we'll figure some

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00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: there sometime there in April maybe or something. Yeah, I'm sure.

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure the listeners will be waiting with bita breath. Well,

1126
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: let's close this thing down. What do you think before

1127
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: we do? Though, Dan, we do have a giveaway winner

1128
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: to announce, right. We have two winners sticks given away

1129
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: to Sticking picks um and I believe they're the stick

1130
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: and pick minis the new ones that have come out,

1131
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: uh and I use one this year and they're pretty

1132
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. So I have done my cross referencing and

1133
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: matched all the names at all the right places, and

1134
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: two winners have been picked and they are I think

1135
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: his last name is Massey or Macy Ben Macy. And

1136
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: then the last one I know I'm gonna stay wrong,

1137
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna say Nathan Gerins scissor Oh Gerin

1138
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: gern Sir Gerin sir, I'm gonna say Gerrancer Nathan Gerin, sir,

1139
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: sorry about the butchering, Nathan. Yeah, that's all right. You

1140
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: gotta free Stick and Pick Yeah, not too bad of

1141
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: a deal. Cool, So you'll reach out to those guys, right, um,

1142
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: and then it's actually gonna be shipped directly from Stick

1143
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: and Pick. So, and I just verified with the last

1144
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: guy who won the osonics and he's, uh, he got

1145
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: it today and he's pretty pumped to go out and

1146
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: actually use it this weekend. So yeah, so he had

1147
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: posted a picture on Facebook. I saw he just added

1148
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: me as a friend, and so that's pretty exciting. I

1149
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: hope he has some good luck with it. Yeah, these

1150
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: guys are gonna love this Stick and Pick man. Yeah,

1151
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: I've I've been happy with mine too, so I think

1152
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: they'll they'll like him. So we gotta know we got

1153
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: more stuff? Give me. Well, what's the deal? Well, we've

1154
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: got good news and bad news Dan Oh yeah, um,

1155
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'll start with the bad news.

1156
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: The bad news is we do not have a podcast

1157
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: episode coming up next week. Okay, am I gonna have

1158
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: to use pt O for that. You know, I hadn't

1159
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: thought about it. But you probably should or is that

1160
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: gonna be Holiday pay? I'm not. I'm definitely not doing

1161
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: double pay next week, no way, but double and double

1162
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: on nothing I guess isn't isn't too much time zero,

1163
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: So we are taking the Christmas week off, um, but

1164
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: we will have one final podcast coming out before the

1165
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: end of two thousand fourteen. So the good news though

1166
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: of all this is that we do have one final

1167
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: really big Christmas gift to give away to our listeners

1168
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: um or sort of a Christmas giveaway grab bag of

1169
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: sorts um. You know. I love the fact that we've

1170
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: been able to do this with the Ozonics and stick

1171
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: and pick Um and now giving away a few more things,

1172
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: because really this has been an awesome year. I mean,

1173
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: we launched the word Hunting podcast back in April. It

1174
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: was something I thought about doing for a number of years.

1175
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: I thought, I want, I wanted to do a podcast,

1176
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: but always seem like I don't know if I could

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01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: actually pull it off. I don't know if I have

1178
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: the time, I don't know if people would actually like it.

1179
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: And um, now that we've done, it's just blown away

1180
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: all of my expectations. And the only reason why is

1181
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: because you guys, the listeners have rallied around it, and

1182
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: you guys have shared with us what you like, what

1183
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: you don't like, what you'd like to see. You've given

1184
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: us so much support, and uh, you know myself, I

1185
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: know Dan, you two we just both really appreciate you guys,

1186
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: the listeners who make the war Unt podcast worth doing.

1187
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: So we wanted to give you a big thank you

1188
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: here at the end of the year. So we are

1189
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,959
Speaker 1: going to have a giveaway and we're gonna have seventeen winners, Dan,

1190
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: seventeen different winners for this giveaway. Wow. Yeah, So here's

1191
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to enter this giveaway. It's gonna be

1192
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: simpler than anything we've done yet. Is there any is

1193
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: there any math involved? Like, are you guys gonna have

1194
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: to go on like a trip or scavenger hunt? This

1195
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: is the Great the Great Race or whatever it's called,

1196
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: whatever the CBS show is. This is gonna be a

1197
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: lot easier than that. All we're gonna have people do

1198
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: is leave a review on iTunes. Right, We've talked about

1199
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: it all year. It's the most important thing for us

1200
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: to to spread the word about Wired the Wired Hunt podcast.

1201
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: It's really helpful to get reviews. So what we're asking

1202
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: is just to to go onto iTunes and leave an

1203
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: honest review on what you think about the podcast. So

1204
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: if you like it great, we'd love to hear about that.

1205
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: If you'd like to see some things different, we'd love

1206
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: to hear about that too. So all we ask leave

1207
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: a review on iTunes and we'll have instructions for how

1208
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: to do that. If you're not familiar, we'll have instructions

1209
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: at wired hunt dot com slash episode thirty six, and

1210
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: then what you do from there you leave your review

1211
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna go over and there's gonna be

1212
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: a Facebook post on the wired hunt Facebook page at

1213
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: the very top that is going to essentially say, hey,

1214
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: this is the post for the giveaway. Comment here, and

1215
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: all you need to do is you need to comment

1216
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: with the name the user name that you used to

1217
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: leave that review. So you want on iTunes you left

1218
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: to review as you know, nine finger Dan. All you

1219
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: need to do is come to this post on the

1220
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: Facebook page and comment, hey, I left my review as

1221
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: nine finger Dan. That way we can cross reference to two.

1222
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: I just need to know who's who so I can

1223
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: put a real face and name to that review. So

1224
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: that's all I got do. And hopefully you've also you know,

1225
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: already liked the wire hunt facebook page for the last giveaway,

1226
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: as well as nine Chronicles Facebook page. What would really

1227
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: encourage you to do both of those as well, But

1228
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: we'll try to keep it simple. We just need you

1229
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: to leave that review and then just tell us what

1230
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: the user name was. So again, instructions will be on

1231
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: this blog post. But that's all I gotta do, Super simple,

1232
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: super easy. Here's what you're gonna win. Like I said,

1233
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: seventeen different winners, so twelve of you are gonna win

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01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: a Wired to Hunt hat. Pretty nice rucker hat. I

1235
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: think you have one, Dan, right, Yep, it's a badass. Yeah.

1236
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of it too, although it might

1237
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: be a little biased, but I'm gonna give away twelve

1238
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: wired to Hunt hats. Next, we're going to give away

1239
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: a Redneck Outdoors portable hunting chair. I just reviewed this

1240
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: on the Wired hunt blog. Really nice fold up chair,

1241
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: great for ground blinds or box blinds. A big fan

1242
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: of that, and this as well as the next product

1243
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna give away from Redneck Outdoors is on sale too,

1244
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: so if you don't win. It's also on sale for

1245
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. The second product is the

1246
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: Redneck Outdoors t post feeder. So this is a big

1247
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: plastic feeder that you can attach to a t post

1248
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: or a tree if it's legal in your state to

1249
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: feed or bait or anything like that. This is a

1250
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: great way to to put some extra food out there

1251
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: during the winter, or to keep some attracted in front

1252
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: of your trail camera. UM another really neat product I've

1253
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: enjoyed using. The third prize we're gonna give away is

1254
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: a year long subscription at the outfitter level for hunts Soft.

1255
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: So I've talked about this a little bit before. Huntsoft

1256
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: dot com is a website where you can go upload

1257
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: all your trail camera pictures and you're different UM encounters

1258
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: and sightings a different deer, and then this tool essentially

1259
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: analyzes all of those sightings as different data points and

1260
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: then starts to UM build reports for you, so you

1261
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: can start understanding, Okay, you know this deer six shooters

1262
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: showing up sixty seven percent of the time when of

1263
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: a west wind, or this dear mark Kenyon only moves

1264
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: with a full moon, so you can start seeing these

1265
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: patterns really cool things. You'll get a year of free

1266
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: service for that. That's one winner. Another winner is gonna

1267
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: win a dozen Carbon Express Mayhem Hunter arrows. I've shot

1268
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: these for several years and sweet arrows really nice, so

1269
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: a full dozen of those. And then our final winner

1270
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: is gonna win a big and j prize package including

1271
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: several six pound bags of BB squared which is the

1272
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: attract and I put out in front of all my

1273
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: trail cameras, and then several bags of their new mineral

1274
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: meltdown product, which is um a mineral lick type creating

1275
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: product that is great to put out there in the spring.

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Speaker 1: You mix a little water into the small bag, heats

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Speaker 1: up you poured down the ground and it's a mineral

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Speaker 1: lic that will last year long time and pulls them

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Speaker 1: a lot of deer. So these are all products I've

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Speaker 1: used over the past couple of years, and from my

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Speaker 1: own personal experience, I know whoever wins them is gonna

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Speaker 1: be pretty happy camper. So seventeen different winners, lots of

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Speaker 1: stuff are be given away. All we need to do

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Speaker 1: is leave that review and then tell us on Facebook

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Speaker 1: what your name was. So what do you think, Dan?

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Speaker 1: Some pretty cool stuff. Huh, well, I thought, I think

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Speaker 1: you forgot to mention the eighteenth prize. What was that?

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Speaker 1: That would be to hunt on the winner will hunt

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Speaker 1: with Mark Kenyon on all his properties this year. Just kidding.

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Speaker 1: That's a joke, some joke some people. Some people might

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Speaker 1: not want to win that, considering how some of the

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Speaker 1: hunts from me have gone this year. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: a punishment. Oh man. So yeah, I think this is

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Speaker 1: the least we can do to show our appreciation for

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Speaker 1: all of you out there that have been listening and

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Speaker 1: have made this just such a great year. So I

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Speaker 1: hope a lot of you get to enjoy these great giveaways.

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Speaker 1: So that said, let's shut this thing down. As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned already, be sure to visit Wired to Hunt dot

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Speaker 1: com slash episode thirty six for show notes and links

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Speaker 1: from this episode, as well as all the instructions for

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Speaker 1: how to enter the giveaway again that we just talked about.

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Speaker 1: We'd all like to thank our partners who helped make

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Speaker 1: this show possible so big thanks to Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge,

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Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redkneck Blinds, Carbon Express, Arrows, Hunt Soft, Lacrosse, Boots,

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Speaker 1: Big and J Long Range Attractants and the white Tail

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Speaker 1: Institute of North America. Finally, thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: all of you for joining us here today on the

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt Podcast. I really hope you're able to hit

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Speaker 1: the woods a few more times this season, So get

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Speaker 1: out there, hunt hard.