1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: That was a cult fan growing up. Obviously the Ravens 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: now So, uh, you know, you look at this organization. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: That's great to hes Stephen Patti, local guy, loves this area, 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: loves Annapolis, Baltimore, Maryland. Steve Patti is a phenomenal owner. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Corey Davis. I would say he's an enigma because he 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: has to run because he had the ankle injury. But 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: I loved them early. I'll tell you this with him 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: my first round. If you get six seven, eight direct hits, 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good draft. Welcome into the lounge. I'm 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: Ryan Mink and I'm Garrett Downing And this is a 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: little bonus episode. Second episode of the week. Don't get 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: used to it. This is well, actually we will have 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: it next week too. You can't get used to it 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: for a little bit, but this is you know, they're 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: a lot of work podcast. That's right, Greedy, that's right. 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Don't get agreed. That's the best way to play it. Yeah, 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: because these are some great guests. These are great guests. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Earlier in the week we had Daniel Jeremiah from the 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: NFL Network, and today we have ESPN Draft analysts. He 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: has been covering the draft longer than just about anybody 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: out there. He's probably the main expert. He pretty much 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: started the whole like draft thing, yeah, draft analysts kind 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: of thing. Yea, he wished I got in on that, right. 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: He's he was a trailblazer in that space and he 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: still is one of, if not the best out there. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: And that's malt Kaiber from ESPN. Yeah, for sure. So 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 1: you have an email. Yes, before we get to Kaiper, 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: we'll read this email. You can send in your emails 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: to us at the Lounge at Ravens on NFL dot net. 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: This one comes to us from Jaren f And Jaren Says, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: regularly listener of the last podcast and an avid Ravens 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: fan here. I had a question about what the Ravens 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: will do at fullback. I haven't talked a lot about that. 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Do you think we'll draft a guy like Freddie Stevenson 35 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: from Florida State or Sam Rogers on Day three Virginia Tech. Yeah, well, 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: like or with to grab a free agent, or will 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: it maybe fill a spot with a guy like Nick 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: Boyle and move him into that space. Yeah, so I 39 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: think the Ravens are more likely to fill that with 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: either somebody already on the roster. I think the most 41 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: legal candidate for that is probably Lorenzo Talie Farroh, who 42 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: was a foolback in his early college days before he 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: moved the running back. I think as a senior and 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: maybe a junior. Uh. So I think Tally Ferron makes 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: sense there or boil Or. I think it's probably gonna 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: be an undrafted guy. Yeah, I just don't. They have 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: too many needs, uh to be drafting a fullback I 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: think right now. And it's long as they have a 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: ton of picks this year, you know, you know it 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: was last year there was ten picks, So there was 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: ten picks last year. This year a little lower on 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: the picks. And if they were to say trade up 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: and get somebody, you know, if they were to move 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: up and give up one of those picks, and then 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: it becomes even less definitely not I don't see that 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: happening personally, but that gets into a whole trade discussion. Yeah, 57 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: we don't need to go down that path. We'll have 58 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: some videos coming out next week that really kind of 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: dive into that conversation before the dry so um, anyway, 60 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: I'm with you with that said, let's get into the 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: interview and just as a notice to listeners out there, 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: there's a reason why you won't hear my beautiful voice 63 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: during this interview. I'm sorry. We apologize in advance. You 64 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: were blacklisted from the from these interviews. I set him up, 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: I coordinated the interview. You did help set him up. 66 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: You know, he played a role, an important role. It's 67 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: not really about Ryan. This is about the team. This 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: is about the team, the team, the team. We don't 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: need to worry about who set it up, who made 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: it happen, whose voice gets out. It's about the team, 71 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: the team, the team. I remember specifically when you said 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: we won't do any interviews if one of us isn't here, 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: we won't. You know, it's it's the podcast is for 74 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: both of us. We're both integral parts. And then what 75 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: happens the first vacation I go on of the year 76 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: year two? What I should have said is the podcast 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: is both of us as long as I'm here. No, 78 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: but you were gone. And this was the opportunity that 79 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: that mel had. He's a busy guy. It's something he 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: had a tight window where we can make this happen. 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: So we appreciate the time with him. And here's our 82 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: interview with mel Keeper. Well, thanks so much for doing this. 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: I know that this time of the year is obviously 84 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 1: crazy for you, so we definitely appreciate the time. Let's 85 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: just jump right into it. When you look at the 86 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Ravens in this year's draft, they have four picks in 87 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: the top seventy eight. What do you think they need 88 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: to do with those picks to get themselves back into 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: a position where they're in the postseason Again, well, I 90 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: think when you look at it, Garrett, I think the 91 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: odds of need areas there are obvious. You think about 92 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line. If you get the right tackle, then 93 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: you have Alex Lewis inside, if you get the guard, 94 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: and then you have Alex Lewis at right tackle, centers, 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: and obviously is Ssue Althols there. But I think you 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: look at the offensive line, some versatile guys in this 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: draft would be a Cam Robinson from Alabama play left tackle, 98 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: can play right tackle, can play guard, Forest lamp He's 99 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: not a left tackle because he has a short arms, 100 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: but he played great for Western Kentucky at left tackle. 101 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: He can be a guard or a center. Ryan Ramcheck 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Wisconsin play left tackle, could be your right tackle. So 103 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: I think you and obviously be a right tackle with 104 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: the Ravens. So those are three options that they'll have 105 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Maybe all three of those guys 106 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: are there. When the Ravens are picking, you think about 107 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: a pass rusher. You know Tat McKinley unfortunately has the injury. 108 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: He may not be back until August. Lib you never 109 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: know how that'll go, So he's at be now. In 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: terms of that particular pick wide receiver, we have to 111 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: wait and see how it shakes down. Mike Williams Clemson, 112 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: John Ross Washington, and Corey Davis Western Michigan are your 113 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: three top receivers. Two of those guys could be gone 114 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: by the time the Ravens pick, or maybe only one is. 115 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be a lot of options for the Ravens. 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I think some pretty good options in the middle of 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, it's interesting. You're one of the 118 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: main guys bell who's talking about the offensive line. Not 119 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing that. And the Ravens 120 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: they have some holes to fill there. I mean, right 121 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: tackle Rick Wagner left in free agency, the team traded 122 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: away Jeremy Zuda to the forty Niners. Everyone that you 123 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: talk with about this draft. They seem to think that 124 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: this is not a great offensive wine class, not that 125 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: much depth there. So if the Ravens don't address that 126 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: spot early in the draft and say the first or 127 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: second round, are they gonna have a tough time finding 128 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: a starting right tackle or starting center when you get 129 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: into those mid to late rounds. That's gonna be the challenge. 130 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: It's it's not a good year at all for offensive 131 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: line lineman. That's why you might not have not have 132 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: one taken as the Ravens altake one and may not 133 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: be until picked twenty when Denver's up. You have Houston 134 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 1: Seattle shortly they're after that certainly could look at offensive lineman. 135 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Another one is Garrett Bowls from Utah. I think because 136 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: the guy somebody will consider, but he's more of a 137 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: left tack when the Ravens have their left tackle when 138 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: Ronnie Sailey, so Bowls wouldn't fit the Ravens although he's 139 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: a borderline first rounder ram check as I say, it 140 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: could be a right tackle, Robinson Movie a right tackle 141 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: or guard. So I mean there's a right tackle at 142 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: a TCU that I like. Is a kidding Avante Collins 143 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: who had a really good year at right tackle, great combine, 144 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: really athletic like that to get him in the third 145 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: or fourth round. Taylor Moton from Western Michigan another guy 146 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: in round three fits the bill which you want in 147 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: a right tackle. So if you picked your spots wisely, uh, 148 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: you can maybe find either one of those diamonds in 149 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: the there's some guards. I really like Dion Dawkins at 150 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: A Temple. I think he could be a left tackle 151 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: that he's certainly a guy could be a really good guard. 152 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: Jermaine a Luminar from Texas A and M really came on. 153 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: He was like a right tackle, but we'll project and 154 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: play guard in the NFL, and he played there at 155 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: A and M. So, yeah, center a very weak position overalls. 156 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: I said Lamp would be a projection left tackle moving 157 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: inside the guard or center. He's kind of like a 158 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Cody white Hair type. White Hair came out last year 159 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: to Chicago Bears in the second round. I had a 160 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: great Brookie year at center. He had played left tackle guard. 161 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: They put him inside its center and he was one 162 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: of the top rookie offensive linemen in the NFL. And 163 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: I think you see a lot of white Hair in 164 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: Forest lamp. So what draft numbers is for you? Thirty 165 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: ninth raft covering it and then writing up reports on 166 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the draft and thirty fourth year at ESPN. Al Right, 167 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: so you've been doing this longer than just about anyone, 168 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: and you know the history of the draft. You've seen 169 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: some good front offices, You've seen some badfront offices. When 170 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: you look at the Ravens of what they've done in 171 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: their history with Ozzie Knew some leading the way and 172 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: Eric to Costa, the entire group here, how do you 173 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: think this groups? I'll say this, Garrett, all the all 174 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: personnel directors in general manager's in EBB and flow. You're 175 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: not gonna hit every draft. You're gonna not gonna hit 176 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: every pick. There's always gonna be a round that you're 177 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: a little snake bit to the Ravens that is the 178 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: second round. Uh, to a certain extent, so I think 179 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: everybody's But if you you can make up for that 180 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: everybody harps on in the misses, how about to have 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: at the hits. Okay, I bet the guys that you 182 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: have found in the later rounds of a pierced and 183 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents that they brought in. I mean I 184 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: think Eric the Costa works hard. He does a great job. 185 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: He has been with this organization for a long time. 186 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: He learned under one of the best and Phil Savage. 187 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: Still Savage did a great job when he was here. 188 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: You know, you think about it. Still Savage built a 189 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winner. Eric the Costa, he'll build a Super 190 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Bowl winner. All under the leadership of Ozzy Newsom, who 191 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: was a Hall of Fame player in the Hall of 192 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Fame GM and I think he had a Hall of 193 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: Fame owner. And then Stephen Bhatti and I think we 194 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: got a great organization. Fortunately, I say we. I'm a 195 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: Baltimore guy, I'm a born and rave here and the 196 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: Ravens are kind of diva, but I was a cult 197 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: fan growing up. Obviously the Ravens now so uh, you know, 198 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: you look at this organization after having Bob hers say 199 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: during those years, it's great to hes. Stephen Bachatti, local guy, 200 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: loves this area, loves Annapolis, Baltimore, Maryland. Steve Bachotti is 201 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 1: a phenomenal owner. Ozzy Newsome's a Hall of Fame GM 202 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: and Eric de Costas I act of a personnel evaluator 203 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: and they have some very good scoff They've lost some 204 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: roy good scouts along the way, which is what happens. 205 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: That they had a very well fortified scouting staff under 206 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Phil Savage. That was the plead of the bit. But 207 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: they've kind of brought guys ended up done a good job. 208 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,359 Speaker 1: But hey, you can pick apart. I've heard the criticism 209 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: of the Ravens draft. You know, I've given him a 210 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: pretty good grade every year. And guess what if you 211 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: look back at last year's draft, Yeah, kamala kay, you 212 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: can say, hey, another second round picked it. It wasn't 213 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: able to do anything. But how about the guys they 214 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: did get? About a guy like Tavon Young in the 215 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: fourth round, About Alex Lewis in the fourth round, That 216 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: Kenneth Dixon in the fourth round, that ju Don showed 217 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: ability in the fifth round, and they got Michael Pierce 218 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: is an undrafted free agent who played like a a 219 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: guy should have been an early round pick. So you know, 220 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: and then if you get and people forget, hey, it 221 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: is a year two. You know, year two guys can 222 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: come on, the light can go on. Everybody's not gonna 223 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: be a great rookie, So start, are you acting like 224 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: a guy's a bus? There after his rookie year is ridiculous. 225 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: Anybody that starts calling guys bust there after rookie year 226 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: obviously have covered the league that long and then don't 227 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: really realize a lot of guys that are great early 228 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: don't pan out. Remember we had a corner here in 229 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: Baltimore way back came out of Texas. It was the 230 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: first round pick Derek Hatchet, Derrick hatch At, a really 231 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: good rookie year. Never heard from him again. And you know, 232 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: I was some guys struggle as rookies and then all 233 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I say, the light goes on and 234 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: they become really good players. So you don't really want 235 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: to evaluate any draft until probably year three, year four 236 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: at the roy See where these guys are, what they're 237 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: doing at that point. Now you're speaking my language right there. 238 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about this here for a while. 239 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: You know, I go back and I look at a 240 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: guy like Paul Krueger at the pass rusher, and it 241 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: took him a couple of the years. A light didn't 242 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: really come on for him until his final year here, 243 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: and then he ended up having a big final season here, 244 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: played a big part of the Ravens winning the Super 245 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Bowl and then he went out there and got a 246 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: huge contract from the Cleveland Browns, and obviously he was 247 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: the second round pick. So sometimes it just takes a 248 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: little bit of time for these guys to really establish 249 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: themselves and get going. Um So now I want to 250 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: shift gears a little bit the Ravens. I want to 251 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: look at running back. And I know you're not a 252 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: big fan of the first round running back, but the 253 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: Ravens have talked a lot this offseason about wanting to 254 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: find playmakers. We've heard that over and over again. Playmakers, playmakers, playmakers. 255 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: So at the running back possession, you look at Leondard 256 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: for Nett, you look at Dalvin Cook, you look at 257 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. They seem like they're playmakers. Even though you're 258 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: not a fan of the first round running back. Do 259 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: you think any of those guys would be worth taking 260 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: at number sixteen. Yeah, here's my feeling. I've always said 261 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: over the all of my career, and never take a 262 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: running back in the first round, especially over the last 263 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: say ten years, when the league is evolved into a 264 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: past happy league and you can find all these running backs. 265 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: And then he look at Jordan Howard in the sefth 266 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: round last year. But to speak to Europe, of the 267 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: players you mentioned, Christian McCaffrey had a Stanford is really 268 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: not a running back. I wouldn't even characterize him as 269 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: just a running back. So he goes kind of in 270 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: a different agory and he's a wild card. He's an 271 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: X factor player who can be a slot receiver, wide receiver. 272 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: This guy runs routes. Uh, you know, Garrett, you'll see 273 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: running backs and the round route. This guy runs routes 274 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: in a pro offense at Stanford. Okay, he's a puck returner, 275 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: kick returner. He doesn't he wouldn't be one of the 276 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: guys and say you say he's just a running back, 277 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: don't take him in the first He's a multidimensional offensive threat, 278 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: weapon special teams as well in the return game. So 279 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: you look at him a lot differently than you would 280 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: a pure running back. Say four net. That's not a 281 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: great receiver, rout of back. He's a questionable blocker. Zeke 282 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Elliott blocked like an offensive guard, great runner, decent receiver. Okay, 283 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: you got to swing passes and screen pass and said 284 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: he'd be Okay, they're fine. You know, mccafreck could be 285 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: moored that as I say, he could be a slot 286 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: receiver wide receiver for net is not Zeke Elliott. I 287 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: think he'll probably still go in the top ten. Dalvin 288 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: cook stock is dropped. He's not now a late first 289 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: point amid second rounder. That some injury issues, not that 290 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: he prevented from playing with some injuries, that some fumbling 291 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: issues off the field stuff. Yet as far as you know, 292 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 1: the workout wasn't spectacular. All those things add up to 293 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook dropping, like I said, into the late first 294 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: early second round. In the course show another kind of 295 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: X factor player, it's very hard to project. And Joe 296 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: Mixing from Oklahoma and always got great talent, but he 297 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: had a serious off the field issue. That's why he'll 298 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: be a second round pick. I will say this, when 299 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: you look at this the the running back spot you 300 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: can find guys every year. I mentioned Jordan Howard fifth round, 301 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: that I had that Kareem Hunt from Toledo, about some 302 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: j P. Ryan from Oklahoma, like James Conner at pit, 303 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: Jeremy McNichols Boise State, Aaron Jones, you tep Brian Hill Wyoming, 304 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: that day's NC State Jamal Williams b Yu. They're a 305 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: ton of Danangelo Henderson from Coastal Caroline is another. A 306 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: load of running backs are gonna go from the fourth 307 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: to the seventh round. A couple of these guys may 308 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: be undrafted and they can play, so you can find 309 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: running backs down the line you don't need unless it's McCaffrey, who, 310 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: as I said, it's true multidimensional threat weapon. I don't 311 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: think you look at any of those other thing backs 312 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: in the first round, all right, mal, So let's jump 313 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: into the wide receivers. I mean, McCaffrey kind of is one, 314 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: but let's talk about the other guys. And it seems 315 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: like there's kind of three big wide receivers that everyone's 316 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: talking about in the first round. Of course, that's Corey Davis, 317 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: Mike Williams, and John Ross, and all three of them 318 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: have been mocked with the Ravens at some point. So 319 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: which of those guys do you think has the best 320 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: chance to be there at number sixteen? And who do 321 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: you like the most? You know, the one will probably 322 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: be gone maybe two. I don't think John Ross will 323 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: because of the injury of the concern. He's the durability concern. 324 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: You know, he's had the shoulder and knee. So yeah, 325 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: but he's a great player. He's got incredit clastest player 326 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: in the fastest player in the draft by far, kick returner. 327 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: He's the Shawn Jackson. He's that kind of player, I mean, 328 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: a great receiver. Had a great year. If you can 329 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: keep him healthy, he's worthy of being that high at pick. 330 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: But can you keep him healthy in along NFL season 331 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: that's much longer in the college season. Mike Williams, he 332 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: had a neck injury, came back from it this past 333 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: year at a great year. He gets dart all the 334 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: contested throws. He'll drop some of the easy ones, but 335 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: the contested throws he don't. He'll basically be a power forward. 336 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: You see. If you like al Shan Jeffrey, you like 337 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Mike Williams. Corey Davis. I wouldn't say he's an enigma 338 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: because he has a run because he had the ankle injury. 339 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: But I loved them early. I cooled on him a 340 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: little bit because I saw some drops that kind of 341 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: made me wonder, Okay, is he a natural you know 342 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: past receiver here with phenomenal hands when you're dropping the 343 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: balls like that, And we saw Brashotte Pereman drop a 344 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: few last year, and he did that in his career. 345 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: So if you're always little concerned with that, for shot 346 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: will make the great catch, they'll make a big play, 347 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: but they'll have an easy routine drop. I always say, 348 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: it's like the shortstop who can go in the hole 349 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: okay and make the great play go you know, and 350 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: the groutine groundball he's booting. Uh, And that's that. That's 351 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: what's happening with some of these receivers now, the easy catches, 352 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: the corey there, even some of the catches think hard 353 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: he should be able to make He didn't this year, 354 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: but overall he had a really good season. He's a 355 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: hard worker. I thought the p J flect about him 356 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: their former coach, and he said he's the first guy 357 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: in a practice field nest one off. He loves his 358 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: work ethic. Loved to hear that. So I think all 359 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: three of those guys would begin play. It just gets 360 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: down to what you're looking for. Melijoke with a personnel 361 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: guys all the time this time of year, that I 362 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: can't trust anything that they're telling me. You know, whatever 363 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: they say, you've got to assume it's gonna be some 364 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: sort of smoke screen. So how much do you believe 365 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: rumors and reports that come out late in the process 366 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: or do you just look at it and say, ah, 367 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: that's something that's just trying to throw another team off 368 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: the scent. Jared, I can tell you that's such a 369 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: long process and there's so much misinformation. And think about it. 370 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: If you're with a team. And I always said, if 371 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm a general manager of a team and any of 372 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: my information gets out, whoever did get that information out 373 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: is fired immediately. And that's that that's an eatic from 374 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: the get go. If any of you guys, if I 375 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: find out that any of you guys leaked any information 376 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: to anybody in the media, immediately you're fired. And that's 377 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: the way it should be. I mean, there's no you don't. 378 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: You work too hard. You try to find every you know, 379 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: anything you can find out about a player. You put 380 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: your boards together, they're always fluid, they're always changing, and 381 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: you try to define everything you could do the best 382 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: job of you're battling thirty one other teams. Try to 383 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: find the sleepers, the diamonds in the rough. Why would 384 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: you want any information out unless it's information you want 385 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: out as misinformation? So if I wanted out there, they 386 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: put it out. If I want everything that's in house 387 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: stays in the house, and I don't. You don't want 388 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: anybody talking to everybody telling them what you're gonna do, 389 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: because that does no good. So you know, there's nothing 390 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: good comes about from that. It's telling people what you 391 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: are thinking about doing. So you know, to me, if 392 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: you hear things, normally it's not accurate. So it's information, 393 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: and some people will tell you things, but does that 394 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: mean it's accurate. You know, everybody talks. I mean I 395 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: talked to teams. I'm talking teams for like almost forty years. 396 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: But you know, and everybody whatever, does everybody say he 397 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: lied to me? When it comes to it, they lied 398 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: to me. They told me. You know, I've heard that 399 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: so many times. I mean they lied to me and 400 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: from different anamasts over the years that they think they know, 401 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: but they really don't know. So I think a lot 402 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: of it is misinformation, as I said, And if you 403 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: are with a team, you certainly don't want any of 404 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: your views. Uh. You know, if guy, remember I was 405 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: good friends with Ernie of Corsi all the way through, 406 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: or anyone was the one that got me going right. 407 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you a quick story about Ernie. Uh, there 408 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: was a pick made. Ernie would never ride to me, 409 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: and if I asked Ernie something, he would tell me. 410 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: And I never asked him for a pick. But if 411 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: he did tell me something that was you know, you 412 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: know as the GM of the Cleveland Brown saying, he'd say, hey, 413 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: wait until we're on the clock, then you can feel 414 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: free to mention this. And I remember I went one 415 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: sports center as were prior to a sports center cut 416 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: in prior to the draft that year, and I said, 417 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: I Cleveland, I'll wait, And I remember Freddie Goodelli was 418 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: producing right now. You can't tease people that you gotta 419 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: tell him. I can't tell I'll tell him when they're 420 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: on the clock. I'll give you some name. I can't think. 421 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: I can't say it till they well, they were on 422 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: the clock, and I remember, uh, you know Chris Berman, 423 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: they boomer was. We were talking before the pick, and 424 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: he said, who do you think it is? I said, 425 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: I told He said, oh, I was told it was 426 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: this guy. And I said I don't think so, Because 427 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: I said I Ernie wouldn't lie to me, and I 428 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: don't think it's that guy. So when they were on 429 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: the clock, and because they wanted to wait till they 430 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: were on the clock because they want to maybe think 431 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: about a trade possibility, they don't want any names out there. 432 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: That's why I Ernie said, wait until we're on the clock. 433 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Once we're one of the clock, going to do what 434 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: you gotta do. So I did that. It turned out 435 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: obviously Ernie didn't why to me, so you know, but 436 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: you gotta have a good friend. Ernie was one of 437 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: my best friends ever, my best friend in the NFL forever. 438 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: The place said without Ernie wouldn't be around right now. 439 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: His great advice in the way he he was was 440 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: with me when I was just a kid with no 441 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: idea what was going on. So if you get a 442 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: mentor a great individual, class act, a great football man 443 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: like Ernie, of course he helping you, then you're well 444 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: on your way. And as I said, if you get 445 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: somebody like that that you can trust and you know 446 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: will not give you misinformation, then you're a head of 447 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: the game. But at the end of the day, I 448 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: still waited until they were on the clock. I'm not 449 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: gonna do that because guess what, you had a great friend. 450 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: And if you did it earlier, You're gonna lose a 451 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: great friend. So no, no way would ever do that. 452 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: And like I said, so, I don't think anybody would. 453 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: So I think this is just the case we're in 454 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: our situation. You have to handle situations. You gotta, you gotta. 455 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: People have to be able to trust you, and if 456 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: they don't, they're not gonna tell you. And I wouldn't 457 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: want them to tell me. I never asked that if 458 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: they somebody wants to offer things, and I don't want 459 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: anybody to be time at first of I don't want 460 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: to know what you're picked. I don't want to know 461 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: who you're picking the first round. I'd rather just go 462 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: in and and and talk about what I think it 463 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: looks like it could happen. These are their needs, these 464 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: are the players, and we're gonna find out in a 465 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: couple of minutes anyway, So you know, once the picks made, 466 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: let's analyze it. So all this predicting and trying to 467 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: figure out what it's fun. I enjoyed doing the MOX. 468 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: It gives people and idea where players may go and 469 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: the range they may go. But at the end of 470 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: the day, if you get I'll tell you this with 471 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: a mock first round. If you get six seven, eight 472 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: direct hits, that's a pretty good draft. People always oh yeah, 473 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: he had a thirty two. If you get twenty five 474 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: or more of the thirty two to go in the 475 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: first round, just go in the first round. You did 476 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: a great job. If you get five, six, seven direct 477 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: hits the night before the draft, you did a great job. 478 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Hey man. I love the stories, I love the perspective, 479 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: and it's just great to catch up and talk some 480 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: Ravens draft with you. So thanks again and we look 481 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: forward to watch you all weekend long on the draft. Garrett, 482 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: go Ravens. How it going pound cool? Good stuff, Garrett. 483 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: You know you did an adequate job. That decent. You 484 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: know what I love with Mel is that he you 485 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: can tell that Baltimore kind of runs through his book. 486 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: That's cool. It's like we have a hometown draft expert, 487 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: you know. I mean. And and just as a little insight, 488 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: what you told me I think I can share this 489 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: is that Mel doesn't come on every podcast. Yeah, it's 490 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: not like you know, he's doing this everywhere for every team. 491 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: He was basically like, it's the Ravens calling guys, right, 492 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: and you know what. But believe it or not, Mel 493 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: doesn't need the attention. Seriously, he doesn't need us. I 494 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: mean the lounge. I know, the lounge really blows up 495 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: his his resume. You know that really is the top 496 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: line of his resume appeared on the lounge. I agree. 497 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: But just on the football side of things, he's kind 498 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: of beating the drum for the offensive lineman. It's interesting, 499 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, like Cam Robinson, Ryan Ramsack, he seems to 500 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: think that the Ravens could go that direction in the 501 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: first round. When who's the latest guy that he has 502 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: in the It's that guard, Yeah, Forced lamp It's the 503 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: latest projection that in Western Michigan that he has. So yeah, 504 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: he's all in on the offensive lineman. At first, I 505 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, come on, Like, there's no way, there's 506 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: no way that they would draft to tackle again second 507 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: straight year, with like so many good cornerbacks, with so 508 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: many good pass rushers, and obviously a needed wide receiver. 509 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: But then the more I think about it, it's like, 510 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: what did the Ravens say when they went into this 511 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: offseason they want to help Joe Flacco. What's the best 512 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: way probably to help Joe Flacco protect him. I think 513 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: we've all seen when Joe feels comfortable in the pocket, 514 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: when he has time, it doesn't even matter who's running 515 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: out there. I mean, he can deliver exactly so. And 516 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: all the Ravens have done so far in the offensive 517 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: line is lose guys. You lost Rick Wagner was very 518 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: good right tackle, and you trade away Jeremy's Utah. Now 519 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: there's a reason why you trade Zuta. You feel like 520 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: either you're in house options are just as good or 521 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: close to it, or you can draft somebody that is 522 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: better or sign somebody. Uh. But you know, the more 523 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: I think about it, the more I think, Yeah, the 524 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: Ravens could invest high draft picks on the old line. Yeah, 525 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm with you, And it's the only way to really 526 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: upgrade it. And if they don't address it early, then 527 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tougher to address it. You know, maybe 528 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: you find a guy Rick Wagner was a fifth round pick, 529 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: but he still start as a rookie. Right, that's a 530 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: great point. I mean, it's tough to find a guy 531 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: in the fourth, fifth round and then say go be 532 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: our right tackle today. One. You know what the Ravens 533 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: would probably counter that with is well, we did it 534 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: with Alex Lewis last year. He did the fourth round 535 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: pick and he started guard and left tackle for a 536 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: few games. Now he didn't, you know, he wasn't a 537 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: dominant left tackle during these games. But you're asking a 538 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: guy to be a right tackle that's a little bit 539 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: easier than left. So you can't find guys. It's just 540 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: it's it's it's. This year's draft class, though, is not 541 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: as good at offense tackle as last year's was with 542 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: Alex Lewis. Yeah, I'm gonna find Alex Lewis in the 543 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: fourth round this year. Let's just say that. So anyway, 544 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: that's uh, that does it for us today. But next 545 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: week is the draft obviously starts Thursday, and to get 546 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: you really ready to go for that, we've got two 547 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: podcasts coming out next week with two fantastic in house guests, 548 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: our director of college Scouting, Joe Ortiz and our assistant 549 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: general manager, er to Coaste. Everyone wants to know, so 550 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: what are the Ravens doing right now? What are they thinking? 551 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: And they're gonna tell us, They're gonna tell us, they're 552 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: gonna show us the board, They're gonna unveil their entire 553 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: draft plans are gonna tell ushore they're picking, so you 554 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: gotta stay tuned for that. Do you ever try to 555 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: break into the draft room. I've never tried to break it, 556 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: but I did go in there once with Da Costa. 557 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: Really he didn't let me out of his sight. You know, 558 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't take pictures. It's kind of like this year. 559 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: This year, they don't let you take any pictures. Now, 560 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: I didn't go in there. She took some pictures there 561 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: insisting chapel. Tell me you did the old selfie sneak. 562 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: You did, right, maybe a little bit. You gotta chapel. 563 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: I know this is basically a quickly when you go 564 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: in the draft room like you're trying to sneak pictures. 565 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: I didn't sneak any pictures. Just so everybody listening to Eric, 566 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: Eric da Costazi, everybody out there. That did not happen. Yeah, um, 567 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: but we will talk with him next week and get 568 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: their insights and see if we can see through any 569 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: smoke screens that they try to send our way. So 570 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: thank you for listening once again, and make sure you 571 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: hit us. But there's comments and questions at the lounge 572 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: at Ravens dot NFL dot net and we will be 573 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: back with you next week.