1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Doors have opened, new subpoenas have been issued, and the 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: damn has begun to break. This election is now all 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Congress has certified the results. I don't want to say 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the elections, but it was him pouring gasoline on the fire. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On Politics, Policy and Perspective from DC's top name. 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: The White House Medical Unit is contacting every single person 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: who meets the CDC definition. I think it is an 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to restress the message of positive message of s 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: GENI said, look how far we've comed Floomberg Sound On 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Steve Bannon found guilty 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: of criminal contempt of Congress. Welcome to the fastest hour 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: in politics. With a verdict against Donald Trump's former advisor, 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: just a day after the January six Committee holds forth 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: in prime time. We've got a lot to talk about 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: and specifically the legal case against Bannon, what it means 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: for the large jerk case against members of the Trump 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: White House. Will be joined by Jeffrey Cramer, former assistant 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: U S Attorney. Now at guide Post, we'll talk more 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: about what the committee accomplished last night and did not 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: accomplish with Bloomberg Congress reporter Billy House, and we'll hear 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: a special interview with documentary and Alex Holder, who did 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: the last interview Donald Trump sat for in the White House. 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: Analysis today from our signature panel after a wild week 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: in Washington, Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis Jeanie Schanzano with 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: us for the hour. The verdict was reached after only 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: three hours of deliberation. Steve Bannon found guilty two counts 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: of contempt of Congress. Criminal contempt. You may not have 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: realized there was such a thing. It's been a long 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: time since this has happened. Each kerry as long as 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: a year in prison and a fine of up to 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars, so we could be talking up 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: to two years here. Sentencing is set for October. It 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: will happen on the twenty one. Bannon stayed quiet in 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: the courtroom today as the verdict was delivered, as he 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: did for most of the sile But like each other 37 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: day this week, he was glad to talk to reporters 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: who had gathered outside the court house. There are a 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: lot of them too, here's Bannon after the verdict. I 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: want to thank you start by thanking the jury. We 41 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: respect their decision today. I really want to thank those 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: hard working citizens of Washington, d c. That had to 43 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: take an entire week off to go through this. So there, 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: thanks respect the decision. We may have lost the battle 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: here today, but we're not gonna lose this war and more. 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: Where that came from. Bannon, of course, is the first 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: from the inner circle, from Donald Trump's inner orbit, to 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: face actual consequences for not cooperating with the committee. This 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: is all about the January six committee, of course, which 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: leaves us to wonder what it might mean for Peter Navarro, 51 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: for instance, he's facing similar charges. There are others from 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the Trump White House, uh facing should we say, adjacent 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: accusations here, and this could of course get a lot bigger. 54 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: We add the voice of an expert on this, as 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: you would expect on Bloomberg Radio, Jeffrey Kramer, former assistant 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: US attorney, senior managing director at the firm Guide Post. Jeffrey. Welcome, 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon. Going to prison either way, always certainly facing 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: a prison time, but it's obviously up to the judge. 59 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: Either going to do a year in jail doubtful, you know, 60 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: could he do a month or so, that certainly would 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: be reasonable, But a non incarcitory sentence you can certainly 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: see as well. Okay, So that's interesting because I understand 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: each count has a minimum thirty days and up to 64 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: a year. So how how might judge approach this? Well, 65 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: judge has a lot of discretion cases. And this is 66 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: obviously Bannon's first conviction. He's got no priors before. Um, 67 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: so the judge does have a lot of latitude here. 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Bannon's attorney, David Shone today says it is not up 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: to Congress, and they really frame this as the heart 70 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: of the case. It is not up to Congress to 71 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: decide whether executive privilege applies to a specific case. Is 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: he right? Um? Yes and no. I mean Congress does 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: have the look at it when they're looking at executive privilege. 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: And some witnesses we've seen before the January six Committee 75 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: have um used executive privilege to not testify in all 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: our part we saw at ciprianly use some of that 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: to give some testimony. Other parts of the question he 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: declined to answer for that reason. Um, if it comes 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: to a battle. In other words, someone alleges some sort 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: of privilege, any privilege, um, and Congress disagrees with that, 81 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: then it goes to the courts. Bannon, of course, will appeal, 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: which he spoke about today with again his lawyer David Show. 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Let's listen against Steve Bannon, and the closed executor missed 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: one very important phrase, right, I stand with Trump and 85 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: the Constitution and I will never back off that. Ever, 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: this didn't seem like a mistimeanor from hell, Mr Bannon, 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: what happened that? That's pretty good. Hell, this is round one, 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: that's what happened. Uh. This is a bulletproof appeal. Have 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: you ever in another as seen a judge six times 90 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: saying the case that they thinks the standard uh for 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: willfulness is wrong? Jeffrey, is it a bulletproof appeal? There's 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: no such thing as a bulletproof of deal. Um. The 93 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, the defense was handcuffed a little bit here 94 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: in the sense that they wanted to put forth certain defenses, uh, 95 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: and the judge denied those defenses. So they really couldn't 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: argue too much. I think the only argument they had 97 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: was that the subpoena itself was improperly signed or some 98 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: ministerial amount like that. So there are some issues that 99 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: they could bring, you know, certain defenses they wanted to 100 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: raise the jury they were not allowed to. So those 101 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: are viable appeals, but certainly not a not an easy 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: one from Mr Bannon. His team did not present any 103 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: defense witnesses. Uh what do you make of that decision? 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: Why not build a case around executive privilege? You know, 105 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: there really wasn't too much of a case, uh to 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: to be brought. I mean they tried to, Like I say, 107 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: they tried to bring a couple defenses in, but the 108 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: judge would not allow that. Once the judge denied those motions, 109 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: this was basically just a slow moving guilty pleader. There 110 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: wasn't too much of a defense arguing to make. We saw, 111 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: not surprisingly a fairly craik verdict. I mean, you know, 112 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: three hours and lunch, um, So there really wasn't too 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: much to do here for the defense. So the other 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the other uh item that that they present as as 115 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: part of the defense is the fact that, for instance, 116 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Benny Thompson did not testify. Members of the January six 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: committee who subpoenaed Steve Bannon did not testify Listen again 118 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: to Steve Bannon from today. I only have one disappointment 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: and that is the gutless members of that show trial 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: committee that j Sax committee didn't have the guts did 121 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: come down here and testify an open Does that matter 122 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: from a legal standpoint, Jeffrey, not at all. Um. Yeah, 123 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure he would have liked to across examined. But 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the fact is, you know, a citizen, Mr Bannon was 125 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: subpoened to come before the panel just to you or 126 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: I or any or else could be subpoena to coming 127 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: for a Congress or a grand jury or a trial 128 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: to be adjured, and you can't just say no. I mean, 129 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: there are reasons why, if it's privilege or some other 130 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: thing that's under that's recognized under the law, but you 131 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: can't just thumb your nose. And that's what happened here. 132 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: And that's why I say it really wasn't that difficult 133 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: the case, but it's not necessary for anyone from the 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: committee to actually testify. You got it, Jeffrey. You're a 135 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor. You spent more than twenty years in 136 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: corporate investigations, experience in fraud detection. This case, you have 137 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: a unique view on this case. What what could it 138 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: mean for Bannon in the other investigations that are underway now, 139 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: like we're seeing in Georgia, the Southern District of New 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: York that are that are trying to get into the 141 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: effort to overturn the election and could be sending out 142 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: and already have in many cases subpoenas. Could he be 143 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: in and out of jail for the next several years. Um, well, 144 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: not just Mr Bannon, but anyone that's subpoenaed before a 145 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: grand jury. Again, can't just say no, I'm not going 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: to show up. So yees if if he continues this 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: or anyone continues this, We've seen Mr Navarro's trial coming 148 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: up in a few months. Um, you know, this is 149 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: the first shot across the bottle. So while they can 150 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: thumb their nose at the process, there are consequences to 151 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: be paid. And then just stepping back for a second, 152 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that's really what this goes to, is the process. You know, 153 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: the criminal justice process stops if people refuse to come 154 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: into the grand jury or or serve as a jury 155 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. Um, you can't get to 156 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: the truth. So this, well, it is a mysteryan I 157 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: think these are important cases because it really does go 158 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: through the process itself. YEA, does this verdict though, inform 159 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: other cases from a legal viewer? Is that not a factor? Um? 160 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't affect the facts of other cases, but it 161 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't impact those defends and those defense lawyers to 162 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: whether or not they want to take this to trial. 163 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: And here you saw a jury really make short shrift 164 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: of Mr Bannon's case. Now Mr Navarro's case is slightly different, 165 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: but not too much. Um. And there are other cases 166 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: that could be teed up as well. So you know, 167 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: play this up for a second. If there was an acquittal, 168 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, could do her natie and that would certainly 169 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: affect the defense is going for they might be emboldened. 170 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: It's the exact opposite here. Now they're well, do I 171 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: really want to get a guilty play and look at 172 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: jail time? Wow? Uh sentencing I mentioned October twenty one. 173 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: What will the timing of an appeal look like? Um? 174 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: You know Mr Bannon's in no hurry to get this stunt. 175 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Longer he can stay out, the better for him, as 176 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: as with any defense, So you know they'll be post 177 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: trial motions um. And then they'll be an appeal to 178 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: the appellate courts and then maybe an appeal past that. 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: So you know, as I say, it depends if the 180 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: judge is going to sentence Mr Bannon to prison at 181 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: the sending and if he's going to stay that decision 182 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: pending appeal. That's really what it comes down to. Fascinating 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: insights from a voice of experience. As I mentioned, Jeffrey Kramer, 184 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor, managing director of guide Post Solutions with 185 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: us to get things rolling here on the fastest hour 186 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: in politics. Steve bann and found guilty and as we mentioned, 187 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: it took all of three hours. I want to assemble 188 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: the panel, Uh just quickly here for a quick round 189 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: with Rick Davis and Jeanie Tanzano. Rick, you you, I'm 190 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: assuming expected a guilty verdict here, but what happens in 191 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: sentencing time? Do you actually see Steve Bannon in handcuffs 192 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: going into jail? You know, if you exhaust all his 193 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: appeals and he's still got a conviction, I can see 194 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: that they put him behind bars for maybe just a 195 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: short while. Because I think that it is part of 196 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: the president I mean, I don't think they want people 197 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: thumbing their nose at this kind of you know, process, 198 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: especially the judicial aspect of it. And uh and you 199 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: know lasting I think these judges want to do even 200 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: trump a pointed judges like this one. They don't want 201 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: to undermine congressional authority. And if you if you can't 202 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: have any veracity behind your subpoenas, then you know, what's 203 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: the point of an investigation. He's going to raise a 204 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: lot of money on this one, genie, right, even from jail, 205 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: this could be a lucrative experience for Steve Bannon. It is. 206 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: We understand he was smiling as the very it was read. 207 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: He came out with all his shirt sound and stood 208 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: outside and spoke. And you know, I am still stuck 209 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: on this took only three hours, including the lunch. But 210 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: the reality is the prosecutor used the analogy of a 211 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: parking ticket, and that's an apt one. You get a ticket, 212 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: you either pay repeal. You don't have the option of 213 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: just saying, oh, I'm not going to do that. I'm 214 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: not going to comply. That's not how our system works. 215 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: And the judge and of course the jury here, let 216 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon know that you know, misdemeanor from hell bulletproof 217 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: appeals aside. This is the reality of our system, and 218 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: it reinforces the Bannon brand. Rick, Yeah, I mean rebel brand. Um. 219 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: You know. It reinforces that brand up until the time 220 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: he actually has to spend the night in prison. Okay, 221 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: that's a little different. Yeah, And in that way, the 222 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: brand actually starts looking like uh tarnish on it. Rick 223 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: and Genie, stay with us as we walk through the 224 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,359 Speaker 1: hour with our panel and looking back on the January 225 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: six Committee hearing last evening. As Liz Cheney says, the 226 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: dam has begun to break. We heard out take from 227 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: former President Trump, and we learned about more scary moments 228 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: that involved the Secret Service in Mike Pence, but didn't 229 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: change anything in the bigger case. The best panel in 230 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: the business. Next will check traffic and markets for you 231 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: on the way too on Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew 232 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: and this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound 233 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The January six 234 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: Committee weighs in on the Bannon verdicts a victory for 235 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: rule of law, reads the statement of course on the 236 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: heels of the prime time hearing last night, which will 237 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: not be the last. It turns out. Congresswoman Liz Cheney 238 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: says the flow of information is too heavy to stop 239 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: this now here she is from last night, doors have opened, 240 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: new subpoenas have been issued, and the damn has begun 241 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: to break. The dam has begun to break. One of 242 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: the takeaway lines from that hearing last night. As we 243 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: reassembled the panel, Rick Davis, Jeannie Chanzano, Bloombergy Politics contributors 244 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: for the for what should have been originally planned to 245 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: be the finale Genie, there was not a lot of new. 246 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: We we did get some new stories. The outtakes from 247 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: former President Trump were actually fascinating to watch as he 248 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: recorded the videos on the sixth and the seventh of January. 249 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: There was a heartbreaking account of the Secret Service agents 250 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: sending messages home to family thinking they wouldn't get out alive. 251 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: But was anything added to the legal case the end 252 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: of season one the finale, and season two is coming 253 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: in September, that's what we keep hearing. So yeah, so um, 254 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I agreed, there wasn't a lot new, 255 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: but that what they did was they gave us a 256 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: lot of details. Like we all watched as this unfolded, 257 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: but of course we didn't know what was going on 258 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And as you mentioned, there was the 259 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: audio of Mike Pence is secure a d detail calling home, 260 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: feeling like they were saying their final goodbyes. There was 261 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: the really chilling video of Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell 262 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: down there trying to get Congress back so they could 263 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: finish the people's business. And you know, for me, I 264 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: think one of the most chilling aspects was the President's 265 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: final words saying, you know, after all of that, the deaths, 266 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: the destruction, the attack, his focus was Mike Pennce, let 267 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: me down. So I think, you know, not a lot 268 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: new not sure if they got there legally in terms 269 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: of the President's culpability, but what a damning sketch it 270 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: really was, and they I thought, they presented it once 271 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: again well last night. So eight hearings in the can here, 272 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: Rick forget doing more and we are apparently going into overtime. 273 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: But what about the time that's already been spent. This 274 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: has been a lot of hearings for people to be watching. 275 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: It's a lot of hours they were they run what 276 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: two to three hours each? Uh? Was this produced. Well, 277 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: was that was that an effective way to to kind 278 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: of leave people hanging to Ginnie's point for the next season. Yeah. 279 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: I watched most of the hearings when they were you know, 280 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: live broadcast, and I was fascinated by it. I'm a junkie, 281 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: total nerd for this stuff. And and so it was 282 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: a mix of UH surprises, things I didn't know, so 283 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: I learned things. The format was fascinating to me as 284 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: a Republican. All the testimony came from Republicans. This was 285 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: not a you know, situation where you had a bunch 286 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: of Democrats picking on Republicans, which we've seen a lot 287 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: in in previous UH investigations and so or vice versa. 288 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: And and so I think there's their structure and in 289 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: the approach they took was very solid. And I must say, 290 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, the only thing missing I think was I 291 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: kind of was expecting the last night a smoking gun. 292 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: I stayed in there all the way two hours and 293 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: forty minutes. Well, that means a lot of people were Yeah, 294 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: and I see that a problem. The one thing I 295 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: was looking for was that, like, did Donald Trump talk 296 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: to somebody in the crowd, you know, at the time 297 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: they were going into the capital. And and I think, 298 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, it was clear, like what Adam Kinziger said, 299 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't fail to act, he chose not to. 300 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: What I was looking for was that third thing, which 301 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: is he actually participated in it, and and and not 302 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: by leaving out the things he would normally do, call 303 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, called the Homeland Security. Um. You 304 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: know they left it up the vice president to do that. Um. Uh, 305 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: he's the one who took charge, and rightly so. But 306 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: but I was looking for, like culpability, did he actually participate? 307 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: If if the Secret Service had let him go to 308 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: the Hill and and actually be a part of that 309 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: very different story, I think we'd be talking about a 310 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: totally different story. Um. And maybe thank God for the 311 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court or for the Secret Service, because I kept 312 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: us from actually having a constitutional crisis where the president 313 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: was trying to overturn an election himself, right, not just 314 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: by you know, hoping the mob did it for him. 315 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: I mentioned the the outtakes, if I can use that 316 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: that term, the raw footage, behind the scenes footage of 317 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: the former president not only recording the Rose Garden video 318 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: message in which she told supporters you know, leave the Capitol, 319 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: but that he loved them and they were special. Remember 320 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: there was also an address to the nation on January seven. 321 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: On the following day to try to follow follow up 322 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: on all of this stuff. As he spoke from the 323 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: White House from behind the presidential podium, or were brought 324 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: into the room, and you can hear Ivanka Trump off 325 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: camera talking with the President as he bumps into as 326 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: you can hear him stumbling over some copy. But then 327 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: he hits a very important line that he refuses to 328 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: say in the message. Let's listen. The demonstrators who infiltrated 329 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: the capital have defied the seat of dest just defiled, right, 330 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: so I can't see it very well. Okay, I'll do this. 331 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. Let's go. But this election is 332 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: now over. Congress has certified the results. I don't want 333 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: to say the elections over. I just want to say 334 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: Congress has certified the results without siding the elections. Sound okay, okay, 335 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: Jeannie doesn't that kind of say at all. He wouldn't 336 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: mention that the election was over on the day after 337 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: the capital burned, That's right. And as late as last 338 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: week we know he is still calling state officials to 339 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: overturn their certified results for the election. And you know 340 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: that's right. Rick is right. The president. They may not 341 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: have been able to show that he commanded these far 342 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: right wing militia groups, but I have to say, listening 343 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: to how those tweets that he was sending out the 344 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: one at you know, to twenty four about Vice President 345 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: of Pence, about how they incited that mob, I think 346 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: there is a possibility that we do see the d 347 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: o J Act, at least as far as obstruction of 348 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: Congress and obstruction of ownership official proceeding. I mean, this 349 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: is two thirty years of history. No president or public 350 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: official has ever done something like this to stay in power, 351 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump did it. And so I do think 352 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: they methodically laid out that, if nothing else, this man 353 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: is not fit to serve. As we mentioned, they're not done. 354 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Rick and Jennie will stay with us here. We're gonna 355 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: add Billy House to the mix coming up here as 356 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: we go into extra innings on the January six Committee. 357 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: He's next on the fastest hour in politics. This he 358 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. It's unknown when the next hearing will be 359 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: the January six Committee, other than sometime in September. So 360 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: what we learned last night, by the way, is after 361 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney's primary in Wyoming. And there are a lot 362 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: of questions about what this does to the timeline. Remember 363 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a final report. Well that's delayed now 364 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: they're saying there'll be an interim report. And if this 365 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: rolls passed as we have been hearing the last twenty 366 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: four hours, this rolls past the mid terms. This committee 367 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: could be shut down if Republicans take control of the House. 368 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: So where are we going. That's why we wanted to 369 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: talk to Billy House Bloomberg, Congress reporter, who has been 370 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: all over these hearings and back with us on sound On. 371 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: It's great to have you, Billy. What's your thought on this? 372 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: Is this committee about to crash into the mid term elections? 373 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: I think it very well do so, or at least 374 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: its final report will come right before the elections. Uh. 375 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: But in terms of crashing at the end of the year, Hey, 376 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: there's no there's no there's no reason to believe Republicans 377 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: won't keep it alive and then show us some of 378 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: the stuff we aren't seeing. Well, gosh, tell me more, 379 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: because I thought the whole idea was that, you know, 380 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy would would would turn around, shut down the 381 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: committee and start investigating the investigators as we hear. And 382 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: that's all I mean. I mean that the Republicans have 383 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: several ideas bannering amongst themselves about whether they should take 384 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: over this committee, look at its documents and present its 385 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: own version of all these videos and depositions, or have 386 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: another committee investigate these investigators about what they left out 387 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: or what their motives might have been allegedly. So there's 388 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: still that's still very early in the plotting. Of course, 389 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: we obviously have a lot to learn. Still, Billy House, 390 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: we thank you as ever. Bloomberg, congretional reporter with us 391 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: here on Bloomberg Sound On. Uh, you know, some of 392 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: the most incredible parts of this hearing last evening, if 393 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: you're interested in, you know, for the sake of history, 394 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: if as Rick was saying, you know you're interested in 395 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: this on a personal standpoint, was the behind the scenes stuff, 396 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: the images behind the scenes, uh, inside the room in 397 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: Congress were the leadership was hiding behind the scenes as 398 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: we heard from the President recording these video messages. And 399 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: you know who spent a lot of Time Behind the 400 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: Scenes is documentary, and Alex Holder and Bloomberg had an 401 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: exclusive sit down with him that we want to listen to. 402 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: Leanne Garin's and Tom mackenzie spoke with Holder about his 403 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: experience having conducted the very last television interview that Donald 404 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: Trump gave in the White House. This was long after 405 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: the election, and his documentary on the Trump White House, 406 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the build up, the storming of the Capitol, and so forth, 407 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: is why the committee subpoenaed uh over a hundred hours 408 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: of his raw footage. We had an opportunity to get 409 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: a sense of what it was like to be in 410 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: the room with the how the president was conducting himself, 411 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: and what Polder actually thought that Donald Trump really believed 412 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: the inside what's listening, Trump actually believed came to believe 413 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: the lie that he had started back in which was 414 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: that if there was a chance he wouldn't win, delegitimizing 415 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: the vote was a technique that he was playing, and 416 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: I think back in twenty sixteen he knew it was, 417 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, a lie. He would probably argue that it 418 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: was more a joke, but the idea of of making 419 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: people think that the election and the results didn't didn't matter, 420 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: didn't count, was something that he'd been playing with for 421 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: for years earlier. When it came to sort of reality 422 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: that he clearly lost the election, he then started to 423 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: really push this this point. And when I interviewed him 424 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: a month after the election, so it was the last 425 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: interview that Trump ever gave in the White House was 426 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: on the fourth or fifth of December in the White House, 427 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: and he's still a president of the United States. And 428 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: this is after his Attorney general, after you know, everybody 429 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: really around him except some of the loonys were We're 430 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: saying that there's absolutely no evidence to support his positions. 431 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: And then they had lost all of their court cases, 432 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: including cases by Republican judges that he had in fact appointed, 433 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: had all dismissed all of these lawsuits about the election, 434 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: and it was quite clear that that President Biden by 435 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: the time President led Biden had won. And so he 436 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: and he still maintained this position where he was not 437 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: only just saying how Biden didn't get eighty million votes, 438 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: he was coming up with remedies essentially to his situation. 439 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: I what needs to happen to ensure he in fact wins, 440 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: and he starts going on about Georgia and how the 441 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: election officials there were cowards and stupid. These were Republican 442 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: officials to not open up the that the balance, to 443 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: check signatures, and it was coming up with all sorts 444 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: of conspiratorial ideas. And then starts denigrating the judicial system. 445 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, Trump has this ability to passionate. 446 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: And he does, and he there was no doubt in 447 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: my mind that he absolutely believed in what he was saying, 448 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: which is there obviously in no way of defense, and 449 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: and and and the fact is actually terrifying that there's 450 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: no way of being able to rationalize with him. And 451 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: Bill bar said in his testimony that Trump was a 452 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: man that was detached from reality. This is the president 453 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: of the United States with all the power and the 454 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: apparatus that surrounds the president of the United States, which 455 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: I saw. I mean, the guy with the nuclear football 456 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: was standing outside the room when I was interviewing the 457 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: President of the United States, telling me what needs to 458 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: happen is we need to find quote brave judges. I mean, 459 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: this is America. This is not you know, a sort 460 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: of a country where it is not governed by like 461 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: the rule of law and democracy, right, I mean, George 462 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: Washington's painting is looking down at at Trump whilst I'm 463 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: interviewing him, and he's coming out with is anti democratic ideas. 464 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: It was absolutely remarkable and horrifying. But he when you 465 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: tell SENTI five million people that and it's coming from 466 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: the incumbent president and the guy they voted for, that 467 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: their vote didn't count. What what does anyone expect is 468 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: going to happen next? I mean, it's going to be 469 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: absolute fiasco. And I'm incredibly dangerous, fascinating peak behind the 470 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: curtain there from Alex Holder, the documentarian, and I'm awfully 471 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: curious to see this whole thing when it finally rolls out. 472 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: Gave Donald Trump his last interview in the White House, 473 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: and now speaking today with Bloomberg TV and Radio, will 474 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel next their take on what comes next 475 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: on the fastest hour in Politics. Well, I've Rick and 476 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: Jeannie on the way. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. 477 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew 478 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. So much talk about the January six 479 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Committee and so many what ifs. What if Kevin McCarthy 480 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: had actually played along with this and provided other representatives 481 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: after Nancy Pelosi, you know, refused to have the Jim 482 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: Jordan's of the world involved. What if they actually had 483 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: subpoena power. What if Republicans could have brought witnesses? What 484 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: would that have been? Like? Donald Trump thinks it might 485 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: have been smarter. Right. We heard from him in a 486 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: in a statement saying as much that Kevin McCarthy should 487 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: not have made the decision he did to simply turn 488 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: away from the committee. Call it unlawful, unconstitutional, but interesting. 489 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: In the prime time hearing last evening, Liz Cheney towards 490 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: the end, in her closing remarks, what if theory? Listen 491 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: for those of you who seemed to think the evidence 492 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: would be different if Republican leader McCarthy had not withdrawn 493 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: his nominees from this committee. Let me ask you this, 494 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: Do you really think Bill Barr is such a delicate 495 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: flower that he would will to under cross examination Pat Sippoloni, 496 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: Eric Hirshman, Jeff Rosen, Richard Donohue. Of course they aren't. 497 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: None of our witnesses are. Let's reassemble the panel. Rick Davis, 498 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: Jennie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors. Uh is Giana something here? 499 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: Rick the idea that this is somehow illegitimate because Kevin 500 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: McCarthy chose not to take part, Would it have changed 501 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: the outcome? I don't think so. I think kind of 502 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: side with Liz Cheney on this. The testimony that we 503 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: heard from people who are intimately involved with Donald Trump 504 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: and his administration and out made the point the all 505 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: Republicans who were all employees or colleagues I guess of 506 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: the president and not not to mention family members. So 507 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: who would Republicans have called. Well, you can only think 508 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: that they would want to put Democrats on the diets 509 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: and and ask them questions. But I don't know who 510 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: who would have any insight into what spurred this. I mean, 511 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: are they going to try and you know, pursue the 512 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: Antifa kind of line that maybe they were, but like, 513 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: there's just no evidence that they could find anybody to 514 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: talk to. So I I think it would have been 515 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: a bit of a trap for uh McCarthy because I'm 516 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: not sure he would have had very many options, and 517 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: then they'd have to sit there for all of these 518 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: hearings on television. Genie with the delicate flower known as 519 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: Bill Barr. That's right, the only time he's been called 520 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: a delicate flower. You know, one thing I think that 521 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: Republicans on the committee could have done is they could 522 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: have made the committee a lot less cohesive, a lot 523 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: less organized in terms of their presentation. And you know, 524 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: they could have you know, broken in asked questions, distracted, 525 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 1: made it less watchable TV, if you will. So I 526 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: do think there's ways in which they could have got 527 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: gotten them off track, and so quite frankly, I think, 528 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: you know, history the American public were all served by 529 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: the fact that that didn't happen. But you know, any 530 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: time you hear Donald Trump say something like, you know, 531 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy screwed up. He should have done this, you know, 532 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: it's because he thinks it would have been in his 533 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: interest to have them there, and distracting from what is 534 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: has been an utterly, you know, devastating portrayal of him 535 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: and so devastating. I sat there last night also watching 536 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: him right on Truth social and you He was unhinged 537 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: last night and today and Truth Social in terms of 538 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: his attacks on everyone trying to deflect blame for this 539 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: thing you signed up for Truth Socialist out what that 540 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: means Joe Matthew I can get it without siding. Hey, listen, 541 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: I do my duty. I'd like to I'd like to 542 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: share with you in news. I don't think Rick is 543 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: going near it, but I we haven't had that conversation. 544 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: Does she have her own Netflix account? Let's really get 545 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: into this. I do Rick Davis many in the household. 546 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, we've talked so much about Mike Pence, and 547 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: wasn't it something to hear again from you know, the 548 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: Secret Service members who were just they clearly thought they 549 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: were closer to trouble than anyone realized. Not only was 550 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: the mob five feet away, but they thought they were 551 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: not going to be able to get out alive. And 552 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: they were sending messages home to family. But here's Mike 553 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: Pence speaking in South Carolina like a presidential candidate and 554 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: in expressing the pride that he has in being Donald 555 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: Trump's vice president. Listen to this, and I must tell you, 556 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: South Carolina couldn't be more grateful to have had the 557 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: privilege to be vice president in the most pro life 558 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: administration in American history. The Trump pens administration, every single 559 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: day stood for the sanctity of human life. I saw 560 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: it firsthand every day. That was Wednesday night the Florist 561 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Baptist Temple Florence, South Carolina. Bit you've been there, Rick, 562 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: what's Mike Pence up to? Is this actually going to 563 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: be a showdown potentially between Mike Pence and Donald Trump? 564 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: Or is he trying to move on from what happened? Well, 565 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: I think he's jerry picking out of the Trump administration 566 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: those things that he wants to um take credit for. Um. 567 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: He's a very righteous Republican. He brought that sort of 568 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: Christian conservatism into the White House and and and that 569 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: was his portfolio, and so gave Donald Trump the evangelical vote. 570 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: And it shouldn't surprise anybody that he wants to keep 571 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: that right. He they were able to stack the courts 572 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: with conservative judges. He's going to talk about that as 573 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: he goes along. But but these were the highlights for him. 574 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: He will probably not talk about the low lights. He'll 575 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: avoid that conversation. He won't take on Trump because the 576 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: people in that room are probably pro Trump, but he 577 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: wants to share that pro Tump Trump vote regardless of 578 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: how Trump treated him. Does he have a base? I mean, 579 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: how how would you advise the formation of a campaign 580 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: like that. I think he's actually trying to go out 581 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: there and find that base. And I see and I 582 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: think he believes his base is rooted in the evangelical community, 583 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: and so go there first. Right. If I were you 584 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: helping orchestrate his rollout, which is very soft right now, 585 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: I'd have him going to churches all over America. That's 586 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: where it's safe for him and he doesn't have to 587 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: get very political because he can talk about these kind 588 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: of issues related to faith and and that's where he's comfortable. 589 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: And it's a good transition away from being Donald Trump's 590 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: lap boy. I mean, he's getting a little glow now 591 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: because not being you know, Trump's friend is actually a 592 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: positive even in our party right now. And so the 593 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: question is can he actually build a base out of that? 594 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of people scratching your 595 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: head one or if that's possible. It's gonna be speaking 596 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: at the Heritage Foundation on Monday, Genie, the day before 597 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump speaks at this uh sort of maga summit 598 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: that they've put together his big return to Washington. Uh. 599 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: That's strategic, right. This is not by accident, it's not 600 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: they're fighting it out today in Arizona with these dueling 601 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: events for their respective candidates that they've endorsed out there. 602 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: They're coming to d C next week. And you know, 603 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, when I listened to Pence, I 604 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: think he reflects what I hear at least from many 605 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: Republicans and even some independence and moderates, which is that 606 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Americans who like many of 607 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: the policies that Donald Trump pursued. We heard some of 608 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: that last night from Matthew Pottinger on the national security side. 609 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 1: They like the policies. What they don't like is the behavior, 610 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 1: the chaos and all that came with it. And so 611 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: I think some of what Mike Pence is doing is 612 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: he's trying to say we scored some big victories, and 613 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: for Pence, they did. The Dobb's decision alone was a 614 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: tremendous victory. For saying that I am Trump without the drama. 615 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: He's saying, I am Trump without the drama. I offer 616 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: you everything you liked and none of the things you didn't, 617 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: and you know, without and can you build a base 618 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: to Rick's point, I don't know, but but you know 619 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: that is a that could be something to build on 620 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: and I think we'll hear that from a lot of 621 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: potential Republican twenty four candidates. Want to ask you both 622 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: about Lee Zelden because I'm kind of shocked how little 623 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: attention this is getting. A member of Congress, the Republican 624 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: nominee for governor of New York attacked on stage uh 625 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: at knife point and somehow survived this thanks to I 626 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: guess his quick move in quick thinking of some other people. 627 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: Listen to Representative Zeldin after it happened, simply grabbing his 628 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: wrist until all of these great man who got here, 629 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people jumped on this guy in Pinnondad. 630 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: I could do anything. We dis on the weapon had 631 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: on his stuffled. Yeah, it's a guy looked like WOLVERINEI 632 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: is like, you know, brass knuckles with knives on them here. 633 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: Uh taken into custody and released. But which is its 634 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: own story here? But you know, Rick, we've been talking 635 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: about the January six riot for the better part of 636 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: the hour here. Adam Kinzinger has said the violence is 637 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: not over. How how dangerous is it to run for 638 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: office in this country right now? Yeah, I think the 639 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: amount of political violence is understated in the news media. 640 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: One of the sessions of the January six Committee had 641 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: members of the Georgia Election Commission. They're talking about how 642 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: much violence they were put under, not necessarily physical, but 643 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: you know, um emotional and online, and you know, the 644 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: kind of attacks that they were worried about, the kind 645 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: of threats that we're given, the kind of threats that 646 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: we're given to people like Adam Kinzinger who are on 647 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: the committee, And and I think this is something that 648 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: we've got to spend some time on as a country 649 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: to understand that this is unacceptable and and and and 650 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: I think you know, anybody who crosses that line like 651 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: they did today with Lise Alden ought to be punished 652 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: to the full extent of the law and made an example. 653 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: Because only through these examples are we going to be 654 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 1: able to try and get containment on this. Because right now, 655 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: I would say that every every politician I talked to 656 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: is worried about having the lese Elden event at at 657 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: their next about campaign event. You know, we talked a 658 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: lot about increased security for members of Congress following the 659 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: January six attacks. Genius, it's time to have a bigger 660 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: conversation about that. It is I think about security, our 661 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices, are members of Congress, are candidates, UM. 662 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: And I also think we have to talk about the 663 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: laws I live in New York, the bail reform laws, 664 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: which which Lee Zelden, I think, to his credit, has 665 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: talked about in the aftermath of this. They are incredibly problematic, 666 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: and so I think you you're hearing Democrats, UM, some 667 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: in the Purple States trying to push for more investment 668 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: in police and policing at this point because they recognize 669 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: the fact that these are real issues. I think a 670 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: combination of that and also in terms of social media regulation, 671 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: which we're also we keep hearing about, but we haven't 672 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: seen movement on. So security, policing, and social media, all 673 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: of those things have to be addressed because you cannot 674 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: have the Republican candidate for New York State be attacked 675 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: like this and candidates across the country vulnerable as they are. Genie. 676 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick Davis. Great to have you back tonite 677 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: our signature panel on Sound on Conversation. I look forward 678 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: to you every day just like you do. Hey, the 679 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: President's schedule just came out for the weekend shocker, nothing scheduled. 680 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: The fastest hour in politics resumes on Monday. I'll meet 681 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: you back here live from Washington. I'm Joe Matthew. This 682 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg