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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeomans. It's another

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys Tuesday here from the Star in Frisco in

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Speaker 1: the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody, the first post draft

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Speaker 1: episode of your favorite Talking Cowboys crew. Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback,

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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us.

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Speaker 1: The draft is in the rear view mirror. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: state put made all nine picks in the way that

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Speaker 1: Com and the various streaming platforms. Gentlemen, how are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Everybody recovered from a great draft weekend? Are you recovering

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Speaker 1: from a great draft week You just had a draft

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Speaker 1: show on top of Demanza outside of like my neck

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Speaker 1: baby tank. Is that your nickname? Now? Soft? This is

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Speaker 1: half the comments are, nah, Kyle Yeomans is just getting jacked.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it because Kyle Yeomens is hitting the weights. I

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Speaker 1: start start accounts. They're both just my burners. I switched

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Speaker 1: but that's the sidetrack. But yeah, we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk tomorrow show draft. Sorry, Rob baby Tank, uh baby Tank.

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Speaker 1: Should um Isaiah, you did some some draft work this weekend.

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Speaker 1: How did that go? It was good man working with

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Speaker 1: the Lockdown podcast network. We were down there at w

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Speaker 1: especially in certain matchups. So I'm not saying this pick

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Speaker 1: that's terrifying to think about dan Quinn and what he

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Speaker 1: can do with Michael Parsons on one side, de Marcus

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Speaker 1: Lawrence on another side, and then Sam Williams kind of

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Speaker 1: mixed in there in between somewhere. I guess it could

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Speaker 1: be it would be Williams and then Lawrence and then

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Speaker 1: Parsons mixed in between. That's probably the more likely of

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Speaker 1: the three, you know. And I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to something you said about this separation and Dak and

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Speaker 1: this perception that Dak can't throw receivers open, and this

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Speaker 1: what I want to say is that Amari Cooper is

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Speaker 1: also was also a burner. He's a he was a

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Speaker 1: track guy. You know, That's that was who he was,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people miss that when

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Speaker 1: they talk about him. Dak has to the timing in

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Speaker 1: this offense has to be cultivated in this offseason. You

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Speaker 1: don't have the same mistake. You still don't have this

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Speaker 1: the injury element there. He can be better with his

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Speaker 1: connection with his receivers and that's what I'm seeing now

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Speaker 1: through OTAs and and that's gonna make the difference because

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to drive the bush. There isn't there isn't,

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Speaker 1: make no mistake about it. It's not a team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL that doesn't need their quarterback to be the

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Speaker 1: leader of their franchise. We have one. And so all

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Speaker 1: these questions about his ability and what he can and

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Speaker 1: can't do. He had the number one offense in the

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Speaker 1: league last year. What you want to see them do

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Speaker 1: is closed the deal. That's it. That's all you want

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Speaker 1: to see them do. And that's gonna come down to

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Speaker 1: availability health. You know, they were at the point where

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Speaker 1: they were healthy. The running game let you down the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers that you had, they didn't. They let you

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Speaker 1: down as well. And so we're looking at a team

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Speaker 1: right now that feels as though we got enough. They

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Speaker 1: obviously feel that way, then made any moves to argue

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Speaker 1: the contract every like we obviously got enough. And so

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Speaker 1: if they feel like the players that we have we

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Speaker 1: lose Amar, we bring in Tobard. Okay, let's roll. Then

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Speaker 1: that means that CD got a step all the way

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Speaker 1: up to the play. This is a great segue because

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Speaker 1: this draft gives us a clear picture, or at least

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Speaker 1: Go get your tickets for Taco Fest. That sounds like

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I wish I could go. But

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Speaker 1: happy early birthday, thank you, yes birthday. Um, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the direction of this team, because Isaiah made a

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Speaker 1: fantastic point in the opening segment and and a lot

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Speaker 1: of the a lot of the talk, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the murmurs round this draft classes that they went for toughness, size, traits,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. They went for toughness

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Speaker 1: and traits. That's what they went for. And then for

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Speaker 1: early parts of the draft they go get Tyler Smith,

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Speaker 1: they get Dee Williams, they get Jalen Tolbert and there's

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Speaker 1: the toughness. Then you go with the traits on the

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Speaker 1: back end with guys like Matt will let's go or yeah,

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Speaker 1: Labron Blands, John Ridgeway, Daman Clark, traits, Boom, there you go.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about the way that they want to

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Speaker 1: move the football down the field on offense. Is that

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Speaker 1: where the toughness comes in is moving the chains more

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Speaker 1: ground and pound, not letting anyone bully you and instead

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Speaker 1: becoming the bully. Because we talked about that tenacity being

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Speaker 1: non existent in the playoff run, or at least the

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Speaker 1: short playoff run that it was. Is this their way

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Speaker 1: to try and rectify that. I don't know about them

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Speaker 1: rectifying the bully side of it. I think they want

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Speaker 1: to be more consistent, and I think that's the direction

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Speaker 1: that they're going with this draft and with their offseason

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Speaker 1: that they've had. You pick up James Washington, what is it?

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Speaker 1: He's a consistent receiver. He's a guy that's gonna catch

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Speaker 1: the ball and get the first down. You're not expecting

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Speaker 1: him to go run past the world. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at that. You know Tolbert's the same type

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Speaker 1: of guy. He's aggressive, he's gonna get in there. He's

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Speaker 1: not afraid to run block. Well, guess what you need?

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Speaker 1: You need to get the ground game going. Why do

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Speaker 1: you pick up Tyler Smith? Well, you need to get

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Speaker 1: the ground game going, and you needed to share things

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Speaker 1: up for the left guard position. Um, Sam Williams, I

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Speaker 1: think you could have picked up anybody on defense, honestly,

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Speaker 1: but mostly talking offense defense. I agree with you that

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Speaker 1: that was all trading. Oh yeah, yeah, but yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you talk about Ferguson, I mean Ferguson, I think is

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Speaker 1: that he's not an explosive tight end. He's a big

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Speaker 1: guy that wants to block, can block. He wants to block.

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Speaker 1: What do we talk about all all season so far

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Speaker 1: when they need to find some help for for Schulty.

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Speaker 1: You know, Scholzenegger is not a blocker's he's a consistent catcher.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna run by you either. He's just gonna

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Speaker 1: catch the ball and get a first down. Cool. It's

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Speaker 1: like a pinnacle of consistency. That's what this draft seemingly is.

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Speaker 1: It's not. I think fans are disappointed, probably because there's

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Speaker 1: no big highlight. There's just you know, just black markers.

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no there's nothing bright and fancy and sparkly.

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Speaker 1: Is just consistent, and I think I think that's what

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Speaker 1: they're looking for, all right. Man, that's I love what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, because you're saying, we need a dude, you know,

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Speaker 1: give me a dude that I know I can trust

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Speaker 1: to be the player that we've seen him be on tape.

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Speaker 1: Everybody that you're showing me, you're projecting. You're basing it

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Speaker 1: off of the potential of the player, and nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to hear that. We want to know that you can

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Speaker 1: come in and you can get the job done. And

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Speaker 1: that's why the draft is so interesting. No one knows

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Speaker 1: this guy Smith can come in and be everything that

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Speaker 1: you need at left guard. Sam Williams is not going

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Speaker 1: to be the guy that you you put everything on

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Speaker 1: him to be successful. At edge, you have those guys already.

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Speaker 1: You have a Dante Fowler. People don't want to hear that,

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Speaker 1: but Dan, if you trust dan Quinn, then you trust

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Speaker 1: the decisions that he even made during this draft. I

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Speaker 1: think the defense is going to be ten times better

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Speaker 1: the two under two years of Dan Quinn, and I

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Speaker 1: trust that. Offensively, we just need to get this running

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Speaker 1: game going. That's look, there's no other way to particularly

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Speaker 1: put this together than to say, look, this offense has

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Speaker 1: to run better, especially in the latter half. We've been

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Speaker 1: cursed by the curse of December. Now it's just the

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Speaker 1: last eight games of the season that we have to

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Speaker 1: get and find that rhythm. We were the healthiest team

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Speaker 1: in the NFC and still found a way to get

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Speaker 1: bounced out of the first round. So with the players

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Speaker 1: that you have, the roster that you're putting together, you

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Speaker 1: the front office is saying to me, I trust what

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Speaker 1: I have and I'm willing to go to war based

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Speaker 1: off of the schedule that we have. And guys, we

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Speaker 1: play some teams this year, and so it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the team that you're going to war with. It's based

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Speaker 1: off of Jalen Tolbert and company, all right, and you

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Speaker 1: need Ceedee Lamb to be the ultimate best part of himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. I think if you're a fan in you

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Speaker 1: your skeptical of this draft and if just cool about

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Speaker 1: just everything they do. Why is it every time you

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Speaker 1: say that word, I immediately think of David Hellman. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why he would probably take that as a company.

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Speaker 1: You could point to what we just talked about, like

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Speaker 1: Isaiah talking about the sharpie and you're just checking off boxes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not patting myself on the back because nobody

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Speaker 1: I'd said this last week, I'm pretty basic with my

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Speaker 1: when I go down, I go down the list and

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Speaker 1: I say in order, like here's you know, here's the

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Speaker 1: here's the needs basically in order, and okay, here's a

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Speaker 1: guy that could fit here and here and hear my mock.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get any of the names right, but I

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Speaker 1: had the positions right, I think in the first four

640
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: rounds and maybe five of my initial And my point

641
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: is that never happens. That never happens because usually they'll

642
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: surprise you with a pick of a BPA guy. And

643
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I think fans might look at this draft and say,

644
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: did they really do that or did they just did

645
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: they reach? Did they go for knee needs at every round?

646
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: And they say no, they said that every everybody on

647
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Day three was a value pick, like was a fourth

648
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: round or better, except for Ridgeway, who was a fifth

649
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: round grade and even then a lot of people had

650
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: him as a third or a fourth. Yeah, so they

651
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: say they feel like they got value and need at

652
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: the same time. And I think that's that's an accomplishment

653
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: in itself. Will see how it plays out if guys

654
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: can step in and play and help. But to your

655
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: point about a Heck's point about getting stronger, getting tougher mindset,

656
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: I definitely think that was a factor. You guys mentioned

657
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: the offense, and Tyler Smith can hopefully helps the run

658
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: game immediately with that. On defense, Jerry spoke specifically about

659
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the Ridgeway pick, the deep tackle out of Arkansas, how

660
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: he said we got big boyd in the playoffs basically,

661
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: and Mike was sitting there during the Day three talking

662
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: about remember the playoffs. Remember the playoffs. They got out

663
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: physical in that game, and there's other games you can

664
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: point to Denver, Kansas City where they did too offense

665
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: and defense. I do think there's something to that. Like there,

666
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: they just went and drafted another three hundred twenty pound

667
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: plus guy to help kind of be Brent Urban, to

668
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: help stuff the run. They're trying to get stronger and

669
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: tougher inside on both lines and we'll see if it

670
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: works out. And that's what I felt about the Ridgeway pick.

671
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the answer to Brent Urban's

672
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: because when he went out I believe it was a

673
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: tricept injury that that took him out. There's there's something

674
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: happened to us at the line of scrimmage, and it

675
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough presence. His presence. I think it really

676
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: did deter a lot of guys from running on us,

677
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and that's when you started to see those teams those

678
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: Denver was pretty much one of the first teams that

679
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I saw have that kind of success, like we can't

680
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: stop them right now on the run and in the playoffs,

681
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: it just felt as though we can't stop them. You

682
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: need that, and you get a young, big body like

683
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: Ridgeway that had a third round grade, there's no way

684
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you can't be excited about that. I really like Ridgeways,

685
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't mean this in a bad way,

686
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: because I do. I think he I think in terms

687
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: of the value picks that they had in the drafty,

688
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: they grabbed a good guy there on the back side

689
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: of it, and he's Arkansas boy, and he's an Arkansas boy.

690
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: That's fine. It's only the second guy they've ever taken

691
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: out of Arkansas. There's no bias there. It's the first

692
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: time since two thousand and eight. Felix Jones is the

693
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: last time. So I'm saying it doesn't hurt. It doesn't

694
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: hurt now. So he brings the tough, toughness, he brings

695
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: the physicality. Does it worry you in the fact that

696
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: I agree completely with the way you just outlined that, Heckman,

697
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: because of the Denver game, I'm thinking about the playoff game.

698
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: They waited till the fifth round to address that not

699
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: only the fifth round, but their fourth pick in the

700
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: fifth round to try and address a big time problem

701
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: there is that still a hole after this draft is

702
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: their run defense and their toughness on the interior of

703
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: that defensive line. That's that's exactly what I meant by

704
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: dan Quinn another year of his system. I think you

705
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: get a lot of that taken care of, because the

706
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: argument before is that they the Cowboys only need a

707
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: middle of the road defense to be successful. Or you

708
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: were the middle of the road last year and now

709
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: with some more picks and you look, we still hadn't

710
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: gotten the camp and they're gonna be teams that's gonna

711
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: let guys go. And as the front office has said,

712
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're not done in free agency either, so

713
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: I expect for us to still be able to get

714
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: guys that may be a bridge player, but be a

715
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: guy that can come in and impact your team. We

716
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: thought that, uh, you know, the frequent nephew is going

717
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: to be a bridge player. Curse jerun curse. Yeah, you know,

718
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: he thought he was gonna be a bridge player. He wasn't.

719
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: He ended up being exactly what you needed on defense.

720
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: We haven't addressed the free safety position. Really, if you

721
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: think about it, we have a guy that's coming off

722
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: an achilles injury that had an okay season, But what

723
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: is it going to be for him to be have

724
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: another year in dan Quo assist dan Quinn system. So

725
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: if we've put all this trust in him, I have

726
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: to trust him as well and say that the defense

727
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: can be better. Isaiah, what do you think about that

728
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: that side of the defense? That tenacity and what they

729
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: did to kind of cover some of those holes. Uh,

730
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see them be a little

731
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: bit more aggressive at the linebacker position. Honestly, I think

732
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: linebacker an interior the lineman to me, was more of

733
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: a necessity than a defensive end personally. I don't think

734
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week. There aren't that many dominant

735
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: defensive ends in this league. They just aren't. And most

736
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: of them, most of the ones that are very dominant,

737
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: they're playing on the same teams. There's a handful of teams,

738
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: right the AFC, the AFC West took all them. Yeah,

739
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: it's so Raiders, Yeah, you know Raiders Chargers. I mean

740
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: they have four of the guys, right, So, I mean,

741
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean there's just not that many of them. So

742
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: I understand the them wanting to say, Okay, that's a

743
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: position that we need to get some more depth at.

744
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: But personally, I think there were more effective players in

745
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: this particular draft that didn't have a lot of guys

746
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: that were very explosive and you know, come, jump off

747
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: the screen type guys that we had opportunities go grab

748
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: that I think would have had a greater impact on

749
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: this team right now. Yeah, anybody specific that you wanted,

750
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, no, let's go for it. So Isaiah you

751
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: you mentioned it last week. Yes, you talked about how

752
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: you had a wish list, short list of guys that

753
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: you really wanted to go to. And we'll talk about

754
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFC in a little bit, especially

755
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: the NFC East. One of those teams selected that guy

756
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: off your wish list, and that was mister Nakobe Dean,

757
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: who's going to Philadelphia. He was selected by the Eagles.

758
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: What was it in a fourth round eighty three? It

759
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: was Okay, how does that make you feel angry? But

760
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: this is a therapy session for all of Okay, it

761
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: made me feel very angry, Kyle Um Okay, reason being,

762
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: I think everybody expected him to be gone in the

763
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: first round. I don't think there's anybody that thought otherwise.

764
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Now throughout the draft, we found out more information about

765
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: there being injuries him not wanted to get surgeries, blase blase,

766
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: and he continued to fall being that you never thought

767
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: that you even had a shot at him. Right, you

768
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: need to address old line. You had one first round pick. Okay,

769
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: you take care of you old line. You gotta get him, Okay,

770
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: that dude's still sitting around kind of crazy. We're gonna

771
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: go take care of our defensive end position because that's

772
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: what we really want to do here in Dallas. We

773
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: lost Randy Gregor. We feel like, oh we have a big,

774
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: gaping hole down, so let's get the defensive end. Okay, cool,

775
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: All right, Um, he's still around. You have three first round, three,

776
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: fifth round, four, fifth round picks that you could have

777
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: could have could have shot shot shot the dice ad

778
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: and moved up to go grab him, but no, another

779
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: team grabs him five picks before you in the third round.

780
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: He to me, was one of the few players in

781
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: this draft that was just physical, specimen, explosive, just I

782
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: don't want to face that guy type of type of

783
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: dude on defense, and you had an opportunity, which we

784
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: have a whole because we have we have a Jabril

785
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Clocks that we drafted last year that's coming off of

786
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: ACL So we don't know how explosive he's going to be.

787
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: We know he's gonna get back healthy, but do we

788
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be as explosive as what

789
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: we was he was when we drafted him. No, that's

790
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: that's a big question mark. You have an opportunity to

791
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: go grab a player that you know nobody wants to

792
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: face that was a complete terror. If you have a

793
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: question mark on Shabril Cox, wouldn't you have a bigger

794
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: question mark on a guy who has a shoulder shoulders

795
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: because I've had three shoulder surgeries, you see, but he

796
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: hadn't even had so shoulder surgery and he refuses to

797
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: get shoulder surgery. I think he might have been misguided

798
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: by his agent, And that's all speculation. Maybe they have

799
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: more information than I'm sure they have more information than

800
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I have to say. Yeah, I hope so, But I

801
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: look at it from this. From this, for this potential,

802
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: you have vander ash that you resigned, that you put

803
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: in the middle or you know, Yeah, Vandersh's in the middle. Okay,

804
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: he's he's a big block, six four, two fifty plus. Okay,

805
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere you need him to come downhill

806
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: neck Roland All. You have a guy outside of him

807
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: that you drafted last year at Aka to Bozuka. That's

808
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: a complete tarrant that can walk down at the line

809
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. But his position is outside linebacker. Correct. You

810
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: could have put an Kobe Dean on the opposite side

811
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: of vanders So you could have had an Akobe Dean,

812
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: vander Ash and Michael Parsons at the second level. Who

813
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: who is working up to the second level and getting

814
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: those guys Michael Parsons of Nikobe Deane running sideline the

815
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: sideline is a complete, absolute worst case scenario at the

816
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: second level for any team that plays against Dallas Cowboys.

817
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you that they the linebacker depth

818
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: doesn't look nearly as deep as it did last year.

819
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: I will say a lot of times they're last year,

820
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: they're playing two linebackers and they're playing three safeties. And

821
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Jayron Curse, I don't they don't call him a linebacker,

822
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: but he's might as well. And if you look at

823
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: the snaps, you know, like vander esh is getting fifty

824
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: something percent of the snaps and I'm blanking on on

825
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: Keanu Neeil is getting about half the snaps. So the

826
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: way they play their defense, maybe they don't view it

827
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: as as much of a need. If you got Jeron

828
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: Krison ever comes off the field, to your point, he's

829
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: a terrific Kobe Dean's a terrific talent. And Kyle mentioned

830
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: some of the injuries Labram Kneed tendonitis. Apparently, according to reports,

831
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: the peck all those things is why he dropped. Yeah,

832
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, but taking but taking into account, I

833
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: know you're going towards the scheme, and I understand what

834
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: you're saying. How often did we do exactly what you

835
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: wanted us to do last year, which was putting Michael

836
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: Parsons at the defensive imposition? Well, yeah, you move him around,

837
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: you move him around, and all of a sudden, you

838
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: don't have Michael Parsons at a second level. But had

839
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: you had to know Kobe Dean, you could put Michael

840
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Parsons at the defensive in position and bring to Kobe

841
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Dean in at this linebacker and now you have vander

842
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: esh and to Kobe Dean at the second level. This

843
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: is literally preaching to the choir because I was willing

844
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: to take the Kobe Dean with the first bit, Yeah,

845
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: it's on your side. No. So my my problem with

846
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: once he started to fall and I didn't even hear

847
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: about the injury issues until after, seriously, and that shocked

848
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: me that he fell past the first round, the first

849
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: round and then in the second round have I'm like,

850
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: well something something, something just happened, and then that you

851
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: start to hear the murmurs. I believe that the Cowboys

852
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: obviously had to have done their research, just like all

853
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the other teams did their research, because not only do

854
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: you have a physical presence that you're talking about, the

855
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: kid is smart, yeah, and you need, especially in the

856
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's defense, you need a smart player like a

857
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean. Let's not even talk about Nikobe dan Let's

858
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: talk about the Bobby Wagners that we don't sign, the

859
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: other guys that we had an opportunity to sign because

860
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: we basically deemed that position as a need. Obviously, they

861
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: know something about the way that they're going to use

862
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: that position that we don't know because they're not signing linebackers.

863
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: They didn't go through. And the linebacker that they got

864
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: is a guy that's going to actually be a project

865
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: for next year next year because of the back fall.

866
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: That's a great I was just gonna say the dart

867
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: that they threw was Damon Clark in the fifth round,

868
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: who might have been Kyle I don't know, third round

869
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: pick if he was healthy. I had him as a

870
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: top sixty players, top sixty players. I had a second

871
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: round grade on the guy and a late second round grade.

872
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say that's not a calculated risk either,

873
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: because you know, spinal fusion, that's no joke to come

874
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: back from and play that position. Layton vander esh is

875
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: back from from having that kind of surgery, so they

876
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: have experience with it. You know, you just prove. You're

877
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: just proving this point because he's like, let me sacrifice

878
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: one of these fifths to get the guy that you

879
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: can come in and play right now. But that's that's

880
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: that's a fifth round that's a fifth round pick by itself.

881
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: Then giving up a fifth round pick and a top

882
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: one hundred pick to go and do it. That's the

883
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: other thing you're you're paying a previoum price. And you

884
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: mentioned his speed and like the ability to go sideline

885
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: the sideline, that's great. He's five eleven. Sure he can

886
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: run around five eleven two hundred and thirty pounds. He

887
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: is a small linebacker. You drafted a guy in Sam

888
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: Williams who's six foot three, two hundred and sixty pounds

889
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: and ran a four four six. N Kobe d didn't

890
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: run a forty. But you know what his league guest

891
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: dement was on his forty And it's right here. You

892
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 1: can look at it. It's on the a TP sheets.

893
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: Try here, four four six is his guests. That's what

894
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: they want, that's what they thought he would run. Yes,

895
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: can I raise my hand? Okay? So forty is a

896
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: great statistic. It's a great thing for the combine, and

897
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it equates to field an actual game speed and

898
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. Nobody's talking about how how how nasty

899
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: of a player and how dominant player Sam Williams. There's

900
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: no distress. Williams broke the single season record of Noman.

901
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about him in the same conversation as a

902
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dan. No disrespect, no disrespect. I'm talking about the

903
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: potential to have a Michael Parsons and then Kobe Dan

904
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: at the second level on the same team. That is nasty.

905
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: You don't want to face it. But if the guy

906
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: comes in with a peck and everybody doctor Cooper, who

907
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: is a master of sewing stuff up, and you have

908
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: him sew it up, and you don't think Cooper was

909
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: a part of this process, I understand, and I get it.

910
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: I get it, and I'm sure there's a reason why

911
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I understand. There's a reason why they didn't make the decision.

912
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm just talking about the potential. No,

913
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: you're not. I'm talking about the potent, just like Philadelphia

914
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: thought about the potential. I just think they were Yeah,

915
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: I just think they couldn't pass on it. They didn't

916
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: pass on it. Dallas is taking the safe route this draft.

917
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: That's what they did. Understand it, America are saying they did.

918
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: They didn't take anything that was sparkly. Even if it

919
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: falls in your lap. Last year, last year, things fail

920
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: in your lap. Last year things fell on your lap.

921
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: The year before that, things fell in your lap, and

922
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: you took it and some of that and it worked

923
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: out for you. Some of that where you're picking too,

924
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: but it worked out for you. Everything to do Ceedee

925
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Lamb filling your lap, Give me that, Michael Parsons failing

926
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: your lap. Give me that Kobe d filing your lap.

927
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: Get away. I don't. I don't fault them from the

928
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: pure football perspective, taking an edge rusher going in the

929
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: top two rounds because I said this last week, like,

930
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: if you want to get a guy and you don't,

931
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how you. I forget kind of how

932
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: you feel about life after Randy Gregory, what that position

933
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: looks like. But if you want to try to upgrade there,

934
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: you can't wait till day three. But you guys know

935
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: how I feel about the position. Randy Gregory's not in

936
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: the conversation of the greats in this league. No, but

937
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: he he was. He's not. I'm just not. But he's

938
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: a person that I'm worried about games. He's a He's

939
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm worried about maybe twice a game.

940
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: That's not that's not disrespect him, that's just what it is.

941
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: There's maybe two plays a game that he just totally

942
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: wrecks it. For you, you're just like crap fifty eight

943
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: more then then that tells you how the organization viewed

944
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's absence with them going into the second round

945
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: and getting an edge rusher. They were solid on Sam Williams,

946
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: and who knows if they had signed Randy, would they

947
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: have signed Okay with that option be more of a

948
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: more lexibility to get a guy like Nikobe dam I

949
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: think all of those things kind of played into the

950
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: equation and that's why they didn't take. I just I

951
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: just I just understand dan Quinn's system. Obviously, you guys know,

952
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I've understood it for a long time, and I understand

953
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: what the addition, He'll He'll be fine, the Devas will

954
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: be fine. But the threat of those guys and that

955
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: speed and that tenacity, what that could have been in

956
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn system would have been an absolute terror.

957
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Because other teams in our division that we're about to

958
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: talk about just they just leveled up and they said

959
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna be a terror. Let's talk about it. On

960
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,000
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961
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1005
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Speaker 1: I didn't get done of that this time, steam away.

1006
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1007
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: I like it. I don't have to be the one

1008
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Speaker 1: he's jacked up on creatine you to day. I'm telling

1009
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Speaker 1: you what well I told he's got on the one

1010
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1011
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: the pads in the shirts. How many protein bars you

1012
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Speaker 1: have for breakfast? Morning with your nails? None yet with

1013
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Speaker 1: your nails just straight jack. He's worked out four times

1014
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: already today. At least need to work out. Yeah, so

1015
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Speaker 1: work out come. The rest of us need to work

1016
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Speaker 1: Come get on my weight plan so you can get

1017
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Speaker 1: compared to the march I had worked out in the

1018
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Speaker 1: get out of muscles popping through the shirt. One quick

1019
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: news item o, Go okay, um breaking news cowboys agreed

1020
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: to terms with and everybody's probably seen it by now.

1021
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty rookie free agents, undrafted, Yeah, undrafted guys and

1022
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: uh we'll not be official, won't sign until next week

1023
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: after the guys undergo physicals and all that stuff, and

1024
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: the mini camp is next weekend, so thirteenth through the fifteenth, right,

1025
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: thirteen to fifteenth. Yeah, I think that's right. And so

1026
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: once to sign this group of guys, they're gonna have

1027
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: to make I think two roster moves probably next week. Okay,

1028
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: by next week. Good to know, good to know, So

1029
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on that. I think next week

1030
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna outline some of the undrafted free agents, talk

1031
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: about rookie Meti Caamp. We're gonna get more in detail

1032
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: next week about the back half of these picks, but

1033
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: we wanted to kind of outline the first two rounds

1034
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: or first three rounds and what direction this Cowboys team

1035
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: is heading in. But what about the direction of the

1036
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: division as well? Uh uh. Let's start with the New

1037
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: York Giants. Cabon Thibadeau with fifth pick, just a massive player,

1038
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: my top player in the draft. They get him a

1039
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: number five edge rusher out of Oregon. At number seven.

1040
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: They turn around and they draft their favorite offensive tackle,

1041
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: MYOT three, Evan Neil out of Alabama. So they upgrade

1042
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: both of their edges offensive line edge and their defensive

1043
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: line edge. And then they had a couple of guys

1044
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: on the back end, Darian Beaver's linebacker from Cincinnati, Wandale

1045
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: Robinson out of Kentucky. Probably your Cadarius Tony replacement if

1046
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: you really wanted to get into it. They snagged Joshua Zudu,

1047
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: who was an interior offensive lineman out of North Carolina

1048
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: that was a thirty visit Bellinger for the Cowboys. And

1049
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: then they did take Daniel Bellinger who was a tight

1050
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: end target for the Cowboys. So overall, what are we

1051
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: thinking about the Giants draft just with those names off

1052
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: the board? Heckma, Well, I mean, Thibodeaux is a player

1053
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: that I think is going to be impactful. He raised Hell,

1054
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: He's on a lot of people's draft board. He's the

1055
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: first guy that should have been taken. Superior athlete he is,

1056
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: He's quick. You talk about bend All, he has all

1057
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: of the intangibles. Will he work in that system with

1058
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: the new coaching staff yet to be seen, But I

1059
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: do feel like he's a He's a player that we're

1060
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with. Man and a lot of

1061
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: these guys and a lot of these different uh, for

1062
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the NFC's teams, I don't want to

1063
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: have to deal with. But here we are, you know,

1064
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: the tight end was the position was where I felt

1065
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: like they got tremendously better. The kid out of San

1066
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: Diego State is he really is and he is everything

1067
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: that the kid that they had there before from Old

1068
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: miss wasn't you know. Um And he's big, He block,

1069
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: pass catcher, all of those things. So that's one of

1070
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: the picks that I've really paid more attention to. But

1071
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: I like him as an edge and and Neil is

1072
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: such a big kid. I just remember looking at my

1073
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: television on Saturday's going what is his mom's grocery bill? Like,

1074
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's six eight, three hundred and seventeen pounds.

1075
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, how the receipt is like out there? Get

1076
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: how big? And you have something to compare it to.

1077
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: You have a high schooler now or what's about to

1078
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: be a high schooler who's gonna play football and he's not.

1079
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, that's what I'm saying. Compare that

1080
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: to Evan Neil. That's a big human being. And so

1081
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean they got they really did get better and

1082
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: I felt I'm sure that they felt good about their draft,

1083
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: but the middle of the draft was probably kind of

1084
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: like I was like, who's that guy? What's that guy?

1085
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: You know? But at the positions that they need to

1086
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: get better at. It was definitely offensive line in edge Russia.

1087
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: I feel confident in those picks. What do you think

1088
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: about it, Rob, Yeah, I totally agree, and I'm I

1089
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: thought about when when Isaiah was with the Giants, like

1090
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: they've always when they've been really good, they've had great

1091
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: edge guys in the trenches both sides, especially on the

1092
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: defensive side, to get to the quarterback. So that's, you know,

1093
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: it's important the Cowboys hit on the picks that they

1094
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: made um and for Evan Neil, like, that's you're trying

1095
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: to evaluate your quarterback position in New York and one

1096
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: more year for Daniel Jones to get it done and

1097
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: then we'll see what they do from there. But that

1098
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: that's been a problem for them for years as their

1099
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: offensive line protection. So that was I think that was

1100
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: a really solid pick for them. Welcome to the league,

1101
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, because you've not only got Cabon Thibodeau as

1102
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: a guy maybe in the future if you swing out

1103
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: the tackle that you're gonna have to face twice a year.

1104
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: But you've also got Federian mathis the interior defensive lineman

1105
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: that went to Washington twice a year while you're at guard.

1106
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: And then on the other side. Oh yeah, by the way,

1107
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis goes to Philadelphia first round pick. Philadelphia not

1108
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: only making one first round pick, but they traded another

1109
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: one for A J. Brown. So I can already see

1110
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: the face. It was in our text group that night.

1111
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of frustration from all of us. I

1112
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: think we all love Jordan Davis as a as a

1113
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: as a draft prospect. He can't just mention him by

1114
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: himself anymore, right, you can't understand that he just got drafted.

1115
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: He's no longer can be just a solo. He can't

1116
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: be an individual. He is now attached to Fletcher Cox.

1117
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: He's the understudy. He is the next man up. But

1118
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: also side by side, side by side, different gaps, but

1119
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna be side by side. YEA. If Jordan Davis

1120
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: and Fletcher Cox are walking down the sidewalk you across

1121
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: the street. Absolutely, absolutely that's what happened. You get out

1122
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: of the way. This is a massive humanity. I sat

1123
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: down with with All with an all pro officivelignement yesterday evening,

1124
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: who used to play for the Dallas Cowboys, and I

1125
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 1: asked him, what is the game plan? What's the game

1126
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: plan if you were playing today? If what will be

1127
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: your game plan going against Jordan Davis and Fletcher Cox.

1128
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: He looked away, you know, he could he's no, he's

1129
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: no punk. Now he had Pro Bowls or something like that.

1130
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Came back, you know, and I was like, yeah, I mean,

1131
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: you could try to do this, or you could try

1132
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: to do that. But I'm like, yeah, that's an attempt.

1133
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: This is a pro bowler, multi pro bowler telling me

1134
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: that there's no good game plan against seven hundred pounds

1135
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: of grown man. That's angry and that's athletic and fast

1136
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: and strong. Yeah. Oh by the way, sorry, I know

1137
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: we just finished talking about Nakobe Dean. He's behind them.

1138
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, you know so much for what people have

1139
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: said about Nakobe Dean. He you know, what kind of

1140
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: linebacker is he gonna be without George Davis in front

1141
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: of him? Man? You know what my answer is, I

1142
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: guess we'll never know. In the words of Kanye West,

1143
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: we'll never know what it. I mean, these guys are

1144
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: and imagine how he can run and what Jordan Davis

1145
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: is going to meet for him, those that linebacking group.

1146
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: It really takes a lot of the pressure off of

1147
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: you when you have guys like that that are gobbling

1148
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: up blocks. And that's why Ridgeway is so important. And

1149
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: that's why you want bo Hannah to turn the curve

1150
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: to be that kind of guy up front, because you

1151
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: need those kinds of space eaters. That's what has That's

1152
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: what Boo Philly has always had on us. Man, They've

1153
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: always had us. How dangerous. And I don't want to

1154
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: talk about Hall of Famers because everybody wants to make

1155
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: a clear comparison. I just want everybody to think about

1156
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: the freedom that Ray Lewis had as a player. Why

1157
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: did he have that freedom because he had Tony Sarah

1158
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: goosea in front of him. When he didn't have Tony

1159
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: Sarah Goose in front of him, he made sure he

1160
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: had a Sam Adams in front of him. Yeah, when

1161
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: he didn't have a Sam Adams in front of him,

1162
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: he made sure he had. They got some young dude

1163
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: because they went without that for a minute and he

1164
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: started getting beat up for a little bit and he

1165
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: was like, screw this, I need a big boy in

1166
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: front of me. Oh okay, we'll draft Helodi Nada. Yeah.

1167
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: It works, it's it's it really is a formula that work.

1168
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: You think in the draft room, the Cowboys were just

1169
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: saw that pick and we're like, oh, Tyler, he doesn't matter,

1170
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, He's got to be the pick. Baltimore. Baltimore

1171
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: was the next pick, right, No, I'm talking about Dallas.

1172
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: Was like, all right, Smith, get in here. You gotta

1173
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: counter that with you know, Tyler Smith, whos three hundred

1174
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: plus pounds, yeah, six four three twenty five. And then

1175
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: you So you feel pretty good about Tyrn, feel pretty

1176
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: good about Terrence Steele size wise, you feel pretty good

1177
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: about Zack Martin and probably Tyler Smith at your left

1178
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: guard spot. I'm sorry, Tyler, I'm sorry you have one

1179
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: of these guys on each side of your eyeball. Each

1180
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: eyeball you have doesn't matter. Jordan Davis. Yeah, because if

1181
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Davis, I'm the defensive coordinator. I say, line

1182
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: up right over Tylert. I'm talking about nose to nose.

1183
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to know what he had for lunch. Yeah,

1184
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: I want you to report back to me. That's how

1185
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: close I want you to him. It's salad. Yeah, and

1186
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna know because he's gonna be all up in

1187
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: his business. It's gonna be tough, you know. I mean,

1188
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: you gotta you got a lot to deal with upfront.

1189
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's what, like you said. That's why

1190
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: twenty four they said, you know, hey, turn this picking quickly,

1191
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: get it done, Get it done, three twenty five. We

1192
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: need all of that. Not to mention the AJ Brown.

1193
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: It's part of their draft class sort of talking. They

1194
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: got better, man, they got that. That's why I said,

1195
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: what did we do to in the sea for them

1196
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: to trade him? And then they almost tried to trade

1197
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: up and take the guy that we wanted at twenty

1198
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: four because they were on the phone. Philadelphia watched the

1199
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: Rams last year, pure and simple. They watched. They're tired

1200
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: of it, they're tired of the conversation that we've been having.

1201
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: Let's plan for the future, let's set our future. Screw

1202
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: the future, yeah, screw the future. The futures now. They

1203
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: didn't even really do that though they had in a

1204
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: sense draft capital and they've got two first round picks

1205
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: next year. Absolutely they did. But but they but in

1206
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: a sense they said screw the future because they said,

1207
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: we'll pay well, you guys don't want to pay him

1208
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars a year. We'll do it. We'll

1209
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: do it. You know what happened. Yeah. Absolutely, They're gonna

1210
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: give Jalen Hurts every opportunity to succeed. And if it

1211
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, we have ever said, you got more

1212
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: darts in the first round, maybe to go get a quarterback? Yeah, CJ.

1213
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: Stroud on the way, you got Bryce Young on the way.

1214
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: You got guys at quarterback next year that will be

1215
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: much heftier. Don't be surprised if they make a move.

1216
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: They're gonna make another move. Yeah, they go They're gonna

1217
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: make another move. Yeah, because look at the look at

1218
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: the AMMO that you have. You have a ready made team.

1219
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: And how much longer is Flecchercock's gonna pay. Yeah, he's

1220
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: probably done after this. They're probably gonna trade Nager shooting

1221
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: your shot. I guarantee you to Egan's point, they are

1222
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: gonna make another move that makes the freaking They're they're

1223
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: going for it. They're going forward. This was the start

1224
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: of it. It's because they see that the divisions in

1225
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: reach and the Cowboys are the hunted. Now they are

1226
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: the hunted. And we're gonna talk about the rest of

1227
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: that offseason. OTA's couple of months away, and then we've

1228
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: got rookie minicamp. Now we talk about the Manders. Yeah, oh,

1229
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: I mentioned Darius Mathis. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna call them.

1230
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: The man They went and got Johan Dotson as a

1231
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver, pretty good pick their first round. Gonna add

1232
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: some firepower to Terry McLaurin and that wide receiving corps.

1233
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: But that's I mean Sam Howe in the late rounds,

1234
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson junior. They went almost all skilled to a

1235
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: certain extent. They added to that d line one Maths.

1236
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: That was the thing, that was the best big thing. Yeah,

1237
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: they love Alabama, guess they do. But really, I think

1238
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the Giants, the Eagles all had decent drafts.

1239
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Philadelphia and New York had great drafts. Let's

1240
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: just say it that way. So things get interesting in

1241
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: the NFC East, and we've got an entire offseason to

1242
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: break it down for you here on talking Cowboys. That's

1243
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us this week. We'll see you

1244
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. For Chris being, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back,

1245
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: heck Ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll

1246
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: see you next week. From the Star and Frisco. This

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