WEBVTT - The Fourth Estate is Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Peepsen, and welcome to wok app Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Me Your Girl Danielle Moody pre recording from the home Bunker, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's show, we welcome back to the microphone the

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<v Speaker 1>producer of woka app Daily Andrew Marcello, to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dig into a conversation on media and the failings of

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<v Speaker 1>media and what we have learned as people continue to

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<v Speaker 1>turn off corporate mainstream media and tune into other outlets.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether this is just a blip of this moment of

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<v Speaker 1>anger and frustration, or if it is really time to

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<v Speaker 1>move away from what was the legacy fourth Estate and

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<v Speaker 1>build something new. Right now, there are conversations that bubbling

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<v Speaker 1>around with Donald Trump kind of remaking as he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to just everything in America, but remaking the White House

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<v Speaker 1>Press Corps and getting rid of those that are detractors

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<v Speaker 1>to him, but also ushering in a new age of

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<v Speaker 1>new media, potentially replacing the abcs and the NBCs of

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<v Speaker 1>the world with the bro podcasters that he frequented and

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<v Speaker 1>his administration has frequented in the past. Now, obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with Trump on a lot of things, on everything actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but on this in terms of where does legacy media

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<v Speaker 1>and new media fit as America is being remade? I

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<v Speaker 1>think is a really important question because storytelling and the narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>as we have seen with this past election, is what

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<v Speaker 1>people held onto. It didn't matter what was actually fact,

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<v Speaker 1>It mattered what they felt about it, right, A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of their feelings came from what they heard from particular

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<v Speaker 1>people and particular outlets. So if we don't open our

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<v Speaker 1>minds up and recognizing that everyone is not getting their

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<v Speaker 1>information in the same place which we've known, but that

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<v Speaker 1>no longer can folks rely on the fourth estate in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that it did, where does that leave us

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<v Speaker 1>and where do we go from here? So we get

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<v Speaker 1>into that conversation Andrew and I which is coming up next, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I am happy to welcome back on the microphone the

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<v Speaker 1>producer of WOKF Andrew Marcello, who has been on providing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of insight into not only the gamer male,

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<v Speaker 1>toxic male, toxic perspectives from a gamer no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that you were bringing perspective to us on

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<v Speaker 1>like the rise of toxic male ideology, thinking kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what has become the magaway and showed us how it

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<v Speaker 1>was seated in gaming, you know. And I continue to

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<v Speaker 1>use that show Andrew by the Way, as like a

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<v Speaker 1>primer for people who keep saying, I don't understand what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to men, I don't understand what. I don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>where all of this is coming from. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, well, here's one perspective that I think is important.

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<v Speaker 1>But today, as we are counting down the days until

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<v Speaker 1>January twentieth, which is the inauguration of Donald Trump for

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<v Speaker 1>a second regime, we are watching as mainstream corporate media

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<v Speaker 1>just obeys in advance, capitulates to his anger, to his threats.

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<v Speaker 1>We have seen it most recently with Morning Joe on MSNBC,

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<v Speaker 1>with Mika and Joe admitting to their viewers that they

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<v Speaker 1>went down to mar A Lago to go clear the air,

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<v Speaker 1>right to go and restart conversations, as they've said. We've

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<v Speaker 1>watched it with The Washington Post deciding that they were

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<v Speaker 1>not going to endorse a candidate for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>in their paper's history. We watched it with the La Times.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen it now with Meta as Zuckerberg congratulating Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump on his victory. Can't wait to work with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us what you make of this moment in media.

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<v Speaker 2>In two words, I would say, my take is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not good. Yeah, it's scary. As someone who works

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<v Speaker 2>in media, even if I'm not working on a mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>media outlet, I have heard and seen reports. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>heard directly, not to imply that, but I have seen

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<v Speaker 2>reports of people at major media outlets, particularly at MSNBC

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<v Speaker 2>and CNBC, are really worried about their future. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is before we've even had an inauguration. I don't feel that,

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<v Speaker 2>at least right away, we will be thrust into a

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<v Speaker 2>right wing monoculture.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, you don't feel like that will happen right away.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't because of how many people in America, including

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<v Speaker 2>how many people on the right, believe in the First Amendment,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever their interpretation of the First Amendment is. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, I'm optimistic that all of those things overnight

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<v Speaker 2>on January twenty third, or whatever it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not going to be a mass shut down of

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream media sources.

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<v Speaker 1>That are.

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<v Speaker 2>Critical of power. However, that being said, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a formal shut down of these organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you know you asked about mainstream outlets

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<v Speaker 2>such as cable news, but I don't think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times or the Washington Post will disappear overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think MSNBC and CNN, especially NBC News, or

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<v Speaker 2>any network news organizations will disappear overnight. But something I

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<v Speaker 2>am scared of, and something that we're seeing happen right now,

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to your question, is we're seeing these

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<v Speaker 2>legacy media organizations very quickly capitulate. Right so, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be like front page, Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>our dear leader, I fear that there will be a

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<v Speaker 2>rapidly slow, insidious creep of There will be a creeping fascism.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've heard that term before, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is a I think a perfect application for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to see a creeping of fascism

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<v Speaker 2>in our news media at essentially all mainstream corporate levels,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is very scary.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny because I don't think I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>the term, but I don't think that this is a creep.

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<v Speaker 1>If we want to be honest about that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we could say then that for the last nine years,

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<v Speaker 1>corporate mainstream media has been creeping fascism, has been capitulating,

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<v Speaker 1>has been sanewashing, whatever the phrases that we want to use.

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<v Speaker 1>If we had had a robust fourth estate, then the

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<v Speaker 1>people of this country would have been educated. With every

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<v Speaker 1>move that Donald Trump made, both during his presidency and.

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<v Speaker 2>After, I don't think enough people noticed some of the

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<v Speaker 2>writing on the wall, or writing on the all sends

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<v Speaker 2>grammar than I mean. I don't think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people noticed the signs that were happening in the first

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration. The New York Times firing their public editor

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bezos, acquiring the New York Post or sorry, the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post, that either happened shortly before or shortly after

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<v Speaker 2>the election of Trump. NBC News being led by a

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<v Speaker 2>right wing whatever the name is of the person who

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<v Speaker 2>runs NBC News. I remember at the time somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>was right wing took over, and that meant NBC News

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<v Speaker 2>and also MSNBC were actually being run with a conservative

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<v Speaker 2>at the top. And I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>didn't pay attention to those things happening in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>That is fair in terms of who was in the

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<v Speaker 1>c suite, right and who is in the c suite

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<v Speaker 1>dictates what goes on the front page is considered as

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<v Speaker 1>headline news. And you know, over the last nine years,

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<v Speaker 1>we have watched as this country has turned into an

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<v Speaker 1>overt oligarch right, like, oligarchy and the presence of wealth

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<v Speaker 1>and power has always been the foundations of our part

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<v Speaker 1>of the foundation of our democracy. However, it's now overt

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<v Speaker 1>right that you have a Mark Zuckerberg saying on the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the you know, congratulations, can't wait to work

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<v Speaker 1>with you, so excited about what the future holds. And well,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks Mark Zuckerberg, because you spent the election cycle suppressing

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<v Speaker 1>the algorithm so that we couldn't be talking about politics

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<v Speaker 1>on your sites like threads and Facebook and Instagram. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like we've already experienced what that suppression looks

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<v Speaker 1>like in social media. And and when you have places

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<v Speaker 1>like the Washington Post bought by Jeff Bezos that was

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<v Speaker 1>more concerned with his Amazon contracts than he was with democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>making decisions that are not about the readers but are

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<v Speaker 1>about his shareholders and his own literal self interests. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that that is doing to the faith

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<v Speaker 1>that people have, And whether or not. We are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>already that they're turning away from these places, but where

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<v Speaker 1>do they turn to?

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<v Speaker 2>You think To answer the last question, I think where

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<v Speaker 2>things will go probably with distrust in the mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 2>sources will continue to be a fracturing, a decentralization. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you've already seen it with the right wing, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen it in conversations that you and me have

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<v Speaker 2>had talking about Breitbart News, and to extrapolate a little further,

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<v Speaker 2>the Daily Wire and quote unquote sources like that. The

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<v Speaker 2>Onion now owns Alex Jones's former outlet and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be turning that into some kind of satire website,

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<v Speaker 2>but for a time that was a major source as well.

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<v Speaker 2>What I don't think having said that, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to see a left wing Bright Bart, a

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<v Speaker 2>left wing Daily Caller, And the reason for that is

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't see there being money put behind something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. And so in lieu of that, I think

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<v Speaker 2>where people who are liberal minded will probably continue to

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<v Speaker 2>go is online sources, websites, social media platforms, YouTube, live streaming.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think also about like that's on the left,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's liberal minded people like you, even have stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like the Young Turks. But then there's a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who are in the median and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>can't say because I genuinely have no insight where the

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<v Speaker 2>median person is going to go. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>still watch TV. So maybe what will happen is people

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<v Speaker 2>who are actively politically minded on the right and on

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<v Speaker 2>what is the left in America will find those sources

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves with the power of the Internet and the

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<v Speaker 2>power of non traditional media sources. But for the countless

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<v Speaker 2>millions who are in the median, I think they're probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to keep watching TV and also hear stuff from

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<v Speaker 2>their fringe friends. So on a note that we ended

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<v Speaker 2>a previous make sure that you are the friend in

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<v Speaker 2>your median political person's friend's ear, because if it's not

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<v Speaker 2>you on the left, it might be someone on the right.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to something that you said

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to not seeing the left version of some

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<v Speaker 1>of the right wing and dare I say white supremacy

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<v Speaker 1>extremist sites that you named not seeing a left wing

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<v Speaker 1>version of that? Do you think that we need a

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<v Speaker 1>left wing version of that? As some people have said, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we need our version of Joe Rogan, we need our

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<v Speaker 1>version of X, Y and Z. When you hear that,

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<v Speaker 1>how does that land for you?

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<v Speaker 2>The left had version of Joe Rogan. His name was

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<v Speaker 2>John Stewart, and I think he's actually back on TV

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But like, I have a trigger finger

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<v Speaker 2>reaction sort of when people say, like, we need a

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<v Speaker 2>left wing version of Joe Rogan, because I understand what

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<v Speaker 2>it's really getting at, which is, like, Joe Rogan is

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<v Speaker 2>a very popular figure among disaffected young white men, sis straight,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And the thing with Joe Rogan is he's

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<v Speaker 2>a useful idiot. Please don't get mad at me, Joe Rogan.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't come after me with lawyers. But like you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, he's someone who he can have anyone

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<v Speaker 2>on his show. If Kamala Harris had gone on his show,

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<v Speaker 2>did she I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know she didn't?

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But if she had, though, if she could have said

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<v Speaker 2>anything for twenty minutes and.

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<v Speaker 3>It would go oh huh yeah, oh huh wow. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that, But don't people say? And then

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<v Speaker 3>something his producer feeds him and then she says an

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<v Speaker 3>oh wow, oh I never thought it out it that

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<v Speaker 3>way and conservatives have a great time with someone who

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<v Speaker 3>is wide eyed and someone who will easily believe what

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<v Speaker 3>they're being told and not to be critical of it

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<v Speaker 3>for themselves and for their audience. I definitely I do

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<v Speaker 3>not think that the left needs that. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>the left needs a Joe Rogan. I think what the

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<v Speaker 3>left needs is someone who is strongly spoken, someone who

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<v Speaker 3>can easily articulate left wing views and perspectives, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why my mind first went to John Stuart because he

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<v Speaker 3>was someone who was liberally minded, left of center, and

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<v Speaker 3>could easily articulate these ideas to an audience regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>their intelligence level and regardless of their investment in.

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<v Speaker 2>The day to day news. And also something that John

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart had was a well funded and consistent platform. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a really important part of it. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing I'm pessimistic about at the moment, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the fact that you're only pessimistic about one

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<v Speaker 1>thing is I think, great.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of people who qualify for the first

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<v Speaker 2>two things I said, but without the third thing, none

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<v Speaker 2>of that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder you know if you think then because

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<v Speaker 1>money matters, right, Like money is what is when we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the breakdowns in terms of how much money

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<v Speaker 1>was given into investment in social media and into TV

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<v Speaker 1>for this election, A lot of money Elon Musk put in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, almost one hundred and fifty million dollars. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that Russia was paying right wing TikTokers, right and

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<v Speaker 1>funneling money in to these different places to create this

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<v Speaker 1>echo chamber. Is it necessary then that the left have

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<v Speaker 1>its own oligarch? You know, like if we're just all

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<v Speaker 1>pawns on their chessboard, right, and Elon Musk can make

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<v Speaker 1>a joke you know about well, how much does MSNBC cost?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I can buy it right, like, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>sell it to him because no one has any integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they don't care right about what would happen to

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<v Speaker 1>the channel and the content and the you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care right at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, do we just then try and like

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<v Speaker 1>court and find our own billionaire oligarch that is like

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk, but is for our issues.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't say exactly like Elon Musk, but I will

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<v Speaker 2>agree I think the left rather than saying the left

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<v Speaker 2>needs their own Joe Rogan. I actually do think people

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<v Speaker 2>should be saying the left needs their own Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is Warren Buffett? Where is beyond? Say there are

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<v Speaker 2>billionaires who supposedly hold left wing views? Where are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Where is their money?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. A part of me has always said that,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is it that you know the Bill Gates and

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Gates is not a good right, He's not a

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<v Speaker 1>good example, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it that I was actually gonna say, maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>need a left wing Bill Gates? Bill Gates, I know

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<v Speaker 2>for all the good that he Okay, I will say

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Gates' money has gone to good things in Africa, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's philanthropy, right, But the fact is is that all

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<v Speaker 1>of them are bad people to a certain extent.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's not about to get on this mic and

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<v Speaker 2>say Beyonce is a bad person, but she's self not Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 1>But like Beyonce has a fraction a fraction of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the billions that we're talking about, right, Like a

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<v Speaker 1>Beyonce and Oprah they have like a billion dollars, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or two billion dollars. I'm talking about people that have

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<v Speaker 1>tens of billions of dollars, right, hundreds of billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you're getting into that place, that's a different place,

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<v Speaker 1>where like one hundred and fifty million dollars to Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk is you know, ten dollars to an average person.

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<v Speaker 1>So like when I'm saying, is it understanding that the

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<v Speaker 1>game is just all about money and needing to court?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's got next? I guess is what I'm wondering. Or

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<v Speaker 1>do they wake up on their own or are these

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<v Speaker 1>people that supposedly have too much integrity to want to

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<v Speaker 1>put their thumbs on the scale even though on the

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<v Speaker 1>right they've literally put their entire body on the scale.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the list of billionaires right now. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, it's not promising, but second of all, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I remember when Warren Buffett was the wealthiest

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<v Speaker 2>man in the world, and I think it was like

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<v Speaker 2>between him and Bill Gates for a while, like neck

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<v Speaker 2>and neck. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other tech guys have just so easily outpaced them.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, Warren Buffett still has one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty billion dollars. I used to hear so

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<v Speaker 2>much about, you know, Warren Buffett, he has money coming

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<v Speaker 2>in regardless, like he couldn't give it away fast enough,

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<v Speaker 2>and from what I understood, he at least talked about

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to give it away as quickly as he could.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is something that he or any supposedly right minded,

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<v Speaker 2>well minded whatever billionaire could possibly do. And maybe there

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<v Speaker 2>should be more narrative around it. Maybe there should be

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<v Speaker 2>more public push for it. Maybe that's what we need.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there needs to be more recognition that money is power.

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<v Speaker 2>So much of money and power is concentrated behind right wing, conservative,

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<v Speaker 2>fascist political organizing, that we should really be pushing some

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<v Speaker 2>of these ultra billionaires to put their money where their

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<v Speaker 2>mouths are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know when I have to depend on

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<v Speaker 1>the kindness, the clarity, and the consciousness of billionaires.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the thing is we all do though, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>reshaping of society aside. If any of us who have

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<v Speaker 2>a job, any of us who are making money right now,

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<v Speaker 2>making income, at some point in the chain that is

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<v Speaker 2>coming down. This makes it sound like I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>trickle down economics. It's not. Trickle down economics isn't real,

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<v Speaker 2>but like in the current makeup of our capital economy,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point the money is flowing down from a

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire to pay your paycheck, and that's the unfortunate reality.

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<v Speaker 3>M M.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it is for me, and I'm independently employed,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can only imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and it just like leaves such a disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>taste in my mouth and frankly, like I just want out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's something though, Like Bill, I understand, listen

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<v Speaker 2>me too, but I think that maybe that's part of

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<v Speaker 2>what gets reckoned with, you know, it is an uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>feeling to have to reckon with, Like this whole system

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<v Speaker 2>really is this horribly rigged long form device that ends

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<v Speaker 2>up with instead of trickling down more like money, like

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<v Speaker 2>rolling down a hill and getting smaller and smaller and

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<v Speaker 2>smaller and smaller and small, small and small smaller till

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<v Speaker 2>it finally reaches your pocket. But if more of us

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<v Speaker 2>can recognize that and reckon with that, then maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>have a better chance at navigating how power really operates

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenty first century world. Yeah, and without power,

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<v Speaker 2>like we really we as a people and we as

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<v Speaker 2>a political movement, like whatever, we don't have anything. If

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have power, one, well, we will leave it

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<v Speaker 2>there to just run in a different direction it did.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot on the mind, but we do we

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a different conversation about.

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<v Speaker 2>Power, local billionaire and.

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<v Speaker 1>What that looks like, because this ain't it. Andrew As always,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so very much for everything you do for

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<v Speaker 1>WOKF and giving us food for thought today. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>To any billionaires or legal representation of billionaires listening, everything

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<v Speaker 2>that was stated in this interview was parody and is

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<v Speaker 2>non actionable under fair use.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me here, Folks on Woke af

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<v Speaker 1>AS always power to the people and to all the people. Power,

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<v Speaker 1>get woke and stay woke as fuck.