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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too, So now we're

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Speaker 1: Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 2: Blazar from Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined as always

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Speaker 2: our bark. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars and

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Speaker 2: now the Patriots are chasing one point. The higher game

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Speaker 2: script is altered from that point because seven weeks in

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Speaker 2: love this well, this is where you roll your eyes

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Speaker 2: and those special teams. But the inspired game was altered

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Speaker 2: They gave up eight points on special teams. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a great start. Is this the show? It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay. We couldn't hear anything in here. Maybe

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Speaker 3: So you know, look, look, luckily we didn't say anything,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that people were not until the open

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Speaker 3: There you go, all right, excellent, Now everybody can just

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 3: Hello, Evan Lazarre, Alex Bars Patriots Cast twenty two with

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Speaker 3: you for the next couple of hours. Here, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: talk Patriots football a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: Some news to discuss today.

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Speaker 3: Very exciting to see Drake May back out at Patriots

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Speaker 3: practice on Thursday. We will get the injury report probably

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Speaker 3: shortly after we sign off today, so we don't know

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Speaker 3: but it's a great sign that he is back out

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Speaker 3: there and looked pretty good in the ten minutes that

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Speaker 3: So riveting stuff, but still a good sign. And we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about the game last week as we always do,

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Speaker 3: and you know, take your phone calls and your lovely emails.

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Speaker 3: So let's kick it off. And hey, Patriots fans, if

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Speaker 3: sponsor of the New England Patriots. All right, Alex, so

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Speaker 3: I just teed it up. Let's start here, not where

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Speaker 3: on Thursday. I always am weary of playing doctor and uh,

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Speaker 3: It felt like based off of Drowd Mayo's comments, and

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Speaker 3: But based off of Drowd Mayo's comments yesterday, it sounded

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Speaker 2: So this is I'm with you. I always hate playing doctor, Like,

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Speaker 2: don't know if you have another take to your theory

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Speaker 2: Phase three is you're allowed on the field non contact

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think what I understand that the policy

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Speaker 3: you're not talking necessarily about game plan install Thursday is big,

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Speaker 3: So if he long story short, we were talking about

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Speaker 3: him playing on Sunday. Not is he healthy and enough

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Speaker 2: Does the full practice right, And that's what people need

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Speaker 2: But it's not just about being cleared. You can't get cleared. Like,

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Speaker 2: being clear doesn't mean it. Maybe you get to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was only two yard shy being their leading

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Speaker 2: of risk reward and you do want to limit it.

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Speaker 2: And do you like there's gonna be a handful of

431
00:21:28,098 --> 00:21:32,538
Speaker 2: those plays every game? How many you're Okay, two or three, Yeah,

432
00:21:32,538 --> 00:21:34,418
Speaker 2: you can probably even go up from there. We're gonna

433
00:21:34,418 --> 00:21:36,458
Speaker 2: start talking like eight to ten of those plays a game.

434
00:21:36,858 --> 00:21:39,658
Speaker 2: Now you're probably talking under nenecessary risks unless we're talking

435
00:21:39,658 --> 00:21:42,178
Speaker 2: about like the super Bowl and what is the happy medium?

436
00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,018
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is what I've always bashed the

437
00:21:44,018 --> 00:21:47,218
Speaker 2: Bills for is that they think there's just this do

438
00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:49,498
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be a bit day. Well know because

439
00:21:49,498 --> 00:21:50,818
Speaker 2: now I'm on the other side of it, and I

440
00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:52,978
Speaker 2: just because people, oh, you're a Bills hater. No, I'll

441
00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:55,698
Speaker 2: say the same thing about the Patriots. John. Is there

442
00:21:55,698 --> 00:21:58,898
Speaker 2: an equilibrium where you do it enough that it's impactful,

443
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:01,258
Speaker 2: but you don't do it too much where it becomes reckless.

444
00:22:01,378 --> 00:22:05,058
Speaker 3: So we've sort of talked about this enough that I

445
00:22:05,058 --> 00:22:06,938
Speaker 3: feel like I have narrowed down my take on it.

446
00:22:07,018 --> 00:22:07,698
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

447
00:22:08,418 --> 00:22:10,818
Speaker 3: What I didn't love about this game was that he

448
00:22:11,018 --> 00:22:13,618
Speaker 3: this was early and often that he was taking off

449
00:22:13,698 --> 00:22:16,657
Speaker 3: running right like this was rose quarter, right out of

450
00:22:16,658 --> 00:22:21,018
Speaker 3: the shoot if it I would like to see him

451
00:22:21,338 --> 00:22:24,578
Speaker 3: save these things for those gotta have it moments like

452
00:22:24,978 --> 00:22:29,298
Speaker 3: fourth quarter they need to drive and look the touchdown

453
00:22:29,378 --> 00:22:31,738
Speaker 3: run that he had on Sunday against the Jets. To me,

454
00:22:31,858 --> 00:22:34,657
Speaker 3: that's in a little bit of a different category because

455
00:22:34,658 --> 00:22:36,458
Speaker 3: like he just sees the end zone.

456
00:22:36,618 --> 00:22:38,657
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think he's gonna get lit up in

457
00:22:38,738 --> 00:22:39,258
Speaker 2: this issue.

458
00:22:39,498 --> 00:22:41,578
Speaker 3: Good to say it, right, But what I'm talking about

459
00:22:41,618 --> 00:22:44,417
Speaker 3: is between the twenties, you know, taking off unless you

460
00:22:44,458 --> 00:22:47,818
Speaker 3: really see the sea's part and you have like forty

461
00:22:47,898 --> 00:22:50,298
Speaker 3: yards of green grass in front of you, and obviously

462
00:22:50,418 --> 00:22:53,618
Speaker 3: you know, I'm all for taking the that uh that

463
00:22:53,778 --> 00:22:57,418
Speaker 3: those yards, But what I think both of us would

464
00:22:57,418 --> 00:23:00,698
Speaker 3: like to see is it's fourth down or it's it's

465
00:23:00,738 --> 00:23:04,498
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, two minute drive, game on the line.

466
00:23:04,818 --> 00:23:06,018
Speaker 2: The only way that you're.

467
00:23:05,898 --> 00:23:08,218
Speaker 3: Gonna convert this third down is if he takes off

468
00:23:08,298 --> 00:23:10,218
Speaker 3: or if he makes an eye of structure play or

469
00:23:10,218 --> 00:23:12,698
Speaker 3: something like that. But the rest of the game, for

470
00:23:12,738 --> 00:23:15,898
Speaker 3: the most part, he's playing within himself. Ironically, think that's

471
00:23:15,938 --> 00:23:16,938
Speaker 3: where they need to get him to.

472
00:23:17,258 --> 00:23:21,378
Speaker 2: So ironically, I'm talking about to drive Jacoby Brissett let

473
00:23:21,378 --> 00:23:22,818
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. That's basically and he

474
00:23:22,898 --> 00:23:24,858
Speaker 2: had the one play where he ran and it was

475
00:23:24,898 --> 00:23:27,417
Speaker 2: a good run, nice little scoot there from Jacoby Brissett,

476
00:23:27,498 --> 00:23:31,218
Speaker 2: But besides that, it was you know, back foot or

477
00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:34,298
Speaker 2: defender at your legs, balls out Kishan, but he makes

478
00:23:34,298 --> 00:23:38,378
Speaker 2: a great catch. But yeah, that's yeah. Honestly, like that

479
00:23:38,498 --> 00:23:40,978
Speaker 2: last drive from Jakoba, the heck of the dry that

480
00:23:41,378 --> 00:23:42,418
Speaker 2: is not a bad blueprint.

481
00:23:42,498 --> 00:23:45,258
Speaker 3: It's very conflicting for me because I love watching it,

482
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:50,338
Speaker 3: Like I look, I'm infatuated by guys that can do

483
00:23:50,418 --> 00:23:54,058
Speaker 3: what Drake can do. I think, especially because I know

484
00:23:56,578 --> 00:23:59,298
Speaker 3: when the scheme doesn't work or the receivers don't do

485
00:23:59,378 --> 00:24:01,938
Speaker 3: their jobs and they don't get open, like to have

486
00:24:01,978 --> 00:24:05,258
Speaker 3: that quarterback that has a left hand like that can

487
00:24:05,378 --> 00:24:08,578
Speaker 3: just okay, there's really nothing here on this play, but

488
00:24:08,658 --> 00:24:11,258
Speaker 3: it's not a dead play with Drake may it's a

489
00:24:11,338 --> 00:24:14,738
Speaker 3: seventeen yard touchdown, or it's a thirty yard dump off

490
00:24:14,738 --> 00:24:17,378
Speaker 3: to Hunter Henry off script or like whatever the case

491
00:24:17,418 --> 00:24:21,378
Speaker 3: may be. The amount of like margin for error, like

492
00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:25,378
Speaker 3: the way that that increases like almost like your expected

493
00:24:25,418 --> 00:24:29,298
Speaker 3: points is like just insane because it adds so much

494
00:24:29,378 --> 00:24:32,218
Speaker 3: to what you're just doing schematically. Like it's one thing

495
00:24:32,258 --> 00:24:34,098
Speaker 3: to just have a quarterback that can go out there

496
00:24:34,138 --> 00:24:36,938
Speaker 3: and hit the layups and like move the offense that way.

497
00:24:37,138 --> 00:24:40,138
Speaker 3: When you have a quarterback that's a true playmaker, at

498
00:24:40,138 --> 00:24:43,418
Speaker 3: the position. Ye, it's so much easier for everybody involved,

499
00:24:43,498 --> 00:24:44,378
Speaker 3: including the play call.

500
00:24:44,578 --> 00:24:48,138
Speaker 2: There's there's there's some that comes with that too that

501
00:24:48,218 --> 00:24:49,858
Speaker 2: makes it tougher to manage, I guess, which is what

502
00:24:49,898 --> 00:24:50,938
Speaker 2: you're learning watching him.

503
00:24:51,018 --> 00:24:53,218
Speaker 3: Tough to manage for him, Like he's obviously has to

504
00:24:53,258 --> 00:24:56,098
Speaker 3: stay healthy, right, and and that's that's number one thing

505
00:24:56,138 --> 00:24:58,938
Speaker 3: with any quarterback. And h it did cross my mind

506
00:24:58,978 --> 00:25:01,138
Speaker 3: across all of our minds sitting there watching the game,

507
00:25:01,338 --> 00:25:04,258
Speaker 3: like god, dang it, like now he's freaking hurt, like right,

508
00:25:04,338 --> 00:25:06,298
Speaker 3: Like you know, you're two games into this thing, two

509
00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:09,978
Speaker 3: plus games he's played great, well watch and then he

510
00:25:09,978 --> 00:25:10,458
Speaker 3: gets hurt.

511
00:25:10,658 --> 00:25:13,938
Speaker 2: Like you talk about how Patriots fans are gonna have

512
00:25:13,938 --> 00:25:17,378
Speaker 2: to learn to watch a different style of quarter Yeah, right,

513
00:25:17,458 --> 00:25:20,538
Speaker 2: it's a big thing and brat like obviously Matt Jones,

514
00:25:20,578 --> 00:25:24,378
Speaker 2: Tom Brady very different skill set, but the prototype is

515
00:25:24,418 --> 00:25:26,578
Speaker 2: the same. Yeah, And I think there's always been this

516
00:25:26,618 --> 00:25:29,938
Speaker 2: expectation to way the quarterback stays healthy. Right, that's just

517
00:25:29,978 --> 00:25:32,378
Speaker 2: because Brak was always because he was never really in

518
00:25:32,418 --> 00:25:34,778
Speaker 2: harm's way. This is not the first time Drake May

519
00:25:34,858 --> 00:25:37,538
Speaker 2: is gonna get banged up. Oh no, it's not. It's

520
00:25:37,538 --> 00:25:39,058
Speaker 2: not the last time, not even the first time this

521
00:25:39,138 --> 00:25:41,138
Speaker 2: year he was on the injury reportment. That's right, and

522
00:25:41,218 --> 00:25:44,058
Speaker 2: like there there might be times Josh Allen's kind of

523
00:25:44,058 --> 00:25:46,178
Speaker 2: an anomaly in this like the guys that play that way

524
00:25:46,298 --> 00:25:47,818
Speaker 2: when Patrick Mahomes, I guess, but like.

525
00:25:47,818 --> 00:25:49,858
Speaker 3: Well, I think the difference and this is you know,

526
00:25:50,258 --> 00:25:52,538
Speaker 3: this is well down the road and probably like not

527
00:25:52,818 --> 00:25:59,498
Speaker 3: that important right now, but the better comparison is and

528
00:25:59,538 --> 00:26:03,138
Speaker 3: he obviously ran a lot by design, but Cam Newton

529
00:26:04,058 --> 00:26:08,018
Speaker 3: his career was shortened because the body blows that he took,

530
00:26:08,058 --> 00:26:10,818
Speaker 3: like eventually, he was not a guy that played twenty

531
00:26:10,898 --> 00:26:14,658
Speaker 3: years at the position like Brady, like Manning, Like I'm

532
00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:18,098
Speaker 3: assuming Mahomes is probably gonna make it pretty far because

533
00:26:18,538 --> 00:26:20,658
Speaker 3: you know, those guys have made it this far because

534
00:26:20,698 --> 00:26:24,258
Speaker 3: they weren't running all the time like Cam Newton was.

535
00:26:25,378 --> 00:26:28,378
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is an interesting second litmus test of that

536
00:26:28,578 --> 00:26:30,338
Speaker 3: to a degree, like is he going to have a

537
00:26:30,498 --> 00:26:33,538
Speaker 3: twenty year He should based off of the way the

538
00:26:33,618 --> 00:26:36,458
Speaker 3: rules are now and everything you can't touch the quarterback,

539
00:26:36,498 --> 00:26:38,858
Speaker 3: he should have a twenty year career. But if he

540
00:26:38,938 --> 00:26:41,898
Speaker 3: keeps playing the way that he plays, will he And

541
00:26:42,258 --> 00:26:44,258
Speaker 3: same goes for Drake May. Now, I know we're putting

542
00:26:44,258 --> 00:26:46,098
Speaker 3: the car before the horse a little bit because they

543
00:26:46,498 --> 00:26:48,578
Speaker 3: he hasn't proven that he can have a five year career,

544
00:26:48,658 --> 00:26:51,058
Speaker 3: let alone a twenty year career just yet. But I

545
00:26:51,058 --> 00:26:54,298
Speaker 3: think where all of us see that he's gonna be

546
00:26:54,418 --> 00:26:58,338
Speaker 3: pretty good. We think, and now you're starting to talk

547
00:26:58,378 --> 00:27:00,858
Speaker 3: about longevity not only over the course of a season,

548
00:27:00,898 --> 00:27:03,298
Speaker 3: but over the course of his career as well. So

549
00:27:03,298 --> 00:27:04,618
Speaker 3: I don't want to make a too big a deal

550
00:27:04,658 --> 00:27:07,458
Speaker 3: out of it. That makes it sound a lot more

551
00:27:07,698 --> 00:27:10,898
Speaker 3: of a big deal than it probably is. But it's

552
00:27:10,938 --> 00:27:13,098
Speaker 3: an important point and it was something that I was

553
00:27:13,098 --> 00:27:15,858
Speaker 3: actually going to bring up even before Van Pelt spoke

554
00:27:15,898 --> 00:27:18,898
Speaker 3: this morning, because that I told you I had four

555
00:27:18,938 --> 00:27:21,738
Speaker 3: plus plays for him in this game. Three of them

556
00:27:21,778 --> 00:27:24,298
Speaker 3: were out of structure. They had one plus throw from

557
00:27:24,378 --> 00:27:27,458
Speaker 3: the pocket, you know from that instructor on script type

558
00:27:27,498 --> 00:27:27,778
Speaker 3: of throw.

559
00:27:27,858 --> 00:27:32,738
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only sixteen place dropbacks, eighteen plays, ten dropbacks.

560
00:27:32,778 --> 00:27:35,898
Speaker 3: All right, So moving on from that, and if you

561
00:27:35,938 --> 00:27:37,498
Speaker 3: want to weigh in on that, of course, eight five

562
00:27:37,498 --> 00:27:39,978
Speaker 3: to five. Pat's five hundred is the phone number and

563
00:27:40,098 --> 00:27:43,978
Speaker 3: podcasts plural podcast we're getting some questions about that. It's

564
00:27:43,978 --> 00:27:48,498
Speaker 3: not podcast. It's podcasts at Patriots dot com. So give

565
00:27:48,578 --> 00:27:50,458
Speaker 3: us a call, give us a ring, give us an email,

566
00:27:50,498 --> 00:27:52,417
Speaker 3: and we'll get to you guys here in a second.

567
00:27:53,018 --> 00:27:54,978
Speaker 3: But I do want to talk a little bit about

568
00:27:54,978 --> 00:27:58,138
Speaker 3: this game outside of the eighteen plays that Drake May played.

569
00:27:58,618 --> 00:28:00,738
Speaker 2: So we've done the Drake May of it all. I

570
00:28:00,778 --> 00:28:05,578
Speaker 2: want to talk about the response. And I get it.

571
00:28:05,658 --> 00:28:09,818
Speaker 3: They won the game, so you're gonna get well, they

572
00:28:09,858 --> 00:28:12,978
Speaker 3: responded to their coach and they were the soft comments,

573
00:28:13,018 --> 00:28:15,657
Speaker 3: and you know, they bounced back and the resilience, and

574
00:28:16,458 --> 00:28:21,018
Speaker 3: I really do believe that they showed great mental toughness

575
00:28:21,618 --> 00:28:23,858
Speaker 3: in this game. They had all the reason in the

576
00:28:23,938 --> 00:28:26,258
Speaker 3: world for the week that they had off the field,

577
00:28:26,698 --> 00:28:28,058
Speaker 3: They had all the reason in the world to let

578
00:28:28,138 --> 00:28:30,578
Speaker 3: go of the rope. They lose their starting core or

579
00:28:30,618 --> 00:28:32,898
Speaker 3: back a quarter into the game, that's another reason to

580
00:28:32,978 --> 00:28:35,178
Speaker 3: let go of the rope. And they didn't, and did

581
00:28:35,258 --> 00:28:37,618
Speaker 3: Jegoi Brissett's credit. He was a big part of that.

582
00:28:38,018 --> 00:28:40,658
Speaker 3: He came in and he made sure that they stayed

583
00:28:40,698 --> 00:28:43,578
Speaker 3: on the tracks and they stayed pulling in the same direction.

584
00:28:44,498 --> 00:28:48,938
Speaker 3: That to me though, is different than well, now they're

585
00:28:48,978 --> 00:28:52,578
Speaker 3: not soft anymore. You know what I mean, like it's

586
00:28:52,658 --> 00:28:57,218
Speaker 3: it's a different They're not mentally soft, maybe, but I

587
00:28:57,258 --> 00:28:58,818
Speaker 3: want to go over some of the things that I

588
00:28:58,858 --> 00:29:03,418
Speaker 3: saw in this game that suggests that in terms of physically,

589
00:29:03,858 --> 00:29:07,858
Speaker 3: like they didn't necessarily respond. You know, I'm trying to

590
00:29:07,858 --> 00:29:10,538
Speaker 3: get at like mentally, I give him a lot of credit.

591
00:29:11,658 --> 00:29:15,618
Speaker 3: They still didn't cover kicks well, forty yard punt return happens.

592
00:29:16,498 --> 00:29:19,018
Speaker 3: They still couldn't run the ball a lick in this game.

593
00:29:19,098 --> 00:29:20,658
Speaker 2: Yeah thin, it was like two point two yards per

594
00:29:20,658 --> 00:29:21,738
Speaker 2: carry outside of May and.

595
00:29:21,778 --> 00:29:23,698
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, couldn't run the ball at all. I have

596
00:29:23,738 --> 00:29:27,178
Speaker 3: some stats on that we'll get to. And they stopped

597
00:29:27,218 --> 00:29:30,698
Speaker 3: the interior run game from the Jets. The Jets still

598
00:29:30,698 --> 00:29:32,938
Speaker 3: carved him up on the edges in this game in

599
00:29:33,018 --> 00:29:36,258
Speaker 3: the run game, So they stop the run, run the ball,

600
00:29:36,378 --> 00:29:41,978
Speaker 3: cover kicks, toughness mantra. Uh, they really didn't check very

601
00:29:42,018 --> 00:29:44,218
Speaker 3: many of those boxes, if we're gonna be honest. But

602
00:29:44,298 --> 00:29:45,938
Speaker 3: I do have some things that I think that they

603
00:29:45,978 --> 00:29:48,138
Speaker 3: did better in this game. But I just want to

604
00:29:48,138 --> 00:29:50,418
Speaker 3: hear your take on that whole thing. And I have

605
00:29:50,498 --> 00:29:52,418
Speaker 3: some numbers, like I said that I want to read off.

606
00:29:52,418 --> 00:29:55,298
Speaker 3: But you know, I felt like it was a response,

607
00:29:55,338 --> 00:29:57,218
Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily think it was responding to the

608
00:29:57,258 --> 00:29:59,098
Speaker 3: thing that people thought it was.

609
00:29:59,258 --> 00:30:01,578
Speaker 2: If that makes sense. Look, it's it's definitely a response,

610
00:30:01,618 --> 00:30:04,058
Speaker 2: and I think that the message got through. You know,

611
00:30:04,458 --> 00:30:06,378
Speaker 2: you mentioned some of the stuff in the game. Was

612
00:30:06,418 --> 00:30:10,418
Speaker 2: it the toughest football game I've ever seen played? Certainly not.

613
00:30:10,698 --> 00:30:13,018
Speaker 2: I think they were tougher than they've been the last

614
00:30:13,058 --> 00:30:17,538
Speaker 2: few weeks. But you can't. So Gerdmeo pressed that button right,

615
00:30:17,578 --> 00:30:20,658
Speaker 2: He went out and you know, said in the media

616
00:30:20,698 --> 00:30:23,338
Speaker 2: the team was soft, and he'd set it behind closed doors,

617
00:30:23,658 --> 00:30:27,018
Speaker 2: went out, said it in the media, like that button's

618
00:30:27,018 --> 00:30:30,298
Speaker 2: been pressed, right, Yeah, that that's been said, and you

619
00:30:30,458 --> 00:30:35,418
Speaker 2: our response, well, now does it continue? Right, Because if

620
00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:37,578
Speaker 2: you're gonna respond for one game and go back to it,

621
00:30:37,578 --> 00:30:40,138
Speaker 2: that doesn't really mean anything. He can't call them soft

622
00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:43,138
Speaker 2: media every week. He could, but eventually it's gonna lose,

623
00:30:43,138 --> 00:30:45,378
Speaker 2: it's gonna look weird, it's gonna lose his power all that. So,

624
00:30:45,978 --> 00:30:48,338
Speaker 2: you know, to get that buy in for one game

625
00:30:48,378 --> 00:30:50,058
Speaker 2: from the coaching staff is good, but you gotta be

626
00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:52,258
Speaker 2: able to sustain it. If you're this coaching staff and

627
00:30:52,258 --> 00:30:54,658
Speaker 2: you've got to now build towards that just being the

628
00:30:54,738 --> 00:30:57,298
Speaker 2: level and that's my thing. Like it's a good first

629
00:30:57,378 --> 00:31:00,298
Speaker 2: step towards digging out of what ailed them the previous

630
00:31:00,338 --> 00:31:02,418
Speaker 2: few weeks. It's a good first step. But if that's

631
00:31:02,458 --> 00:31:04,618
Speaker 2: as far as they're gonna go, no, the coaching staff

632
00:31:04,658 --> 00:31:07,138
Speaker 2: needs to continue to push, uh, because I don't think

633
00:31:07,138 --> 00:31:09,938
Speaker 2: that that identity is fully set yet.

634
00:31:10,218 --> 00:31:12,538
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll get to their flowers in the second,

635
00:31:12,618 --> 00:31:14,858
Speaker 3: I promise. I know they won the game, and I'm gonna.

636
00:31:14,618 --> 00:31:16,578
Speaker 2: Come ups and downs or are we just doing big pictures?

637
00:31:17,018 --> 00:31:18,338
Speaker 3: A big picture for us. I have my ups and

638
00:31:18,378 --> 00:31:19,818
Speaker 3: downs and then we're gonna do ups and downs to

639
00:31:20,018 --> 00:31:22,498
Speaker 3: actually do it. Of course, because they got a new phone.

640
00:31:22,498 --> 00:31:23,698
Speaker 3: I don't know if they went in the new phone.

641
00:31:23,738 --> 00:31:25,418
Speaker 3: Of course you didn't have it. You didn't do it,

642
00:31:25,498 --> 00:31:25,858
Speaker 3: they did.

643
00:31:25,978 --> 00:31:27,538
Speaker 2: No, I have him, I have them. I did it,

644
00:31:27,578 --> 00:31:29,058
Speaker 2: but I did it before I got the new phone.

645
00:31:29,378 --> 00:31:32,938
Speaker 3: Okay, loving this new pid. All I hear about, like

646
00:31:33,098 --> 00:31:35,338
Speaker 3: five years, all I hear about is how he has

647
00:31:35,338 --> 00:31:36,098
Speaker 3: a new phone.

648
00:31:35,938 --> 00:31:39,498
Speaker 2: One. Look at this one does this? It does that?

649
00:31:39,698 --> 00:31:41,938
Speaker 3: Like you're like a kid on Christmas that that gets

650
00:31:41,938 --> 00:31:45,538
Speaker 3: a new PlayStation. Oh my god, look a you're you're

651
00:31:45,578 --> 00:31:46,778
Speaker 3: you're all too old for.

652
00:31:46,778 --> 00:31:49,978
Speaker 2: Toys, all right, never too Olterra toys, never two Altra toys.

653
00:31:50,058 --> 00:31:52,378
Speaker 2: You're never too old Candy, Happy Halloween.

654
00:31:54,138 --> 00:31:58,818
Speaker 3: Alex Bars mission statement. There you go, all right, so quickly,

655
00:31:59,098 --> 00:32:00,978
Speaker 3: and then I do want to give them, give them

656
00:32:00,978 --> 00:32:02,818
Speaker 3: some flowers, all right, because I have some positive things

657
00:32:02,858 --> 00:32:07,978
Speaker 3: to say to the Patriots rushing attack, their rush offense.

658
00:32:08,338 --> 00:32:12,858
Speaker 3: You're ready for this stat? Hit me minus thirty one

659
00:32:12,978 --> 00:32:17,698
Speaker 3: yards before contact? Would they finish with minus thirty one?

660
00:32:18,098 --> 00:32:20,738
Speaker 3: And that is by the running backs, just the running bait.

661
00:32:20,818 --> 00:32:23,698
Speaker 2: So that doesn't include Drake may like getting hit and scrambling. Correct,

662
00:32:24,258 --> 00:32:26,338
Speaker 2: minus thirty one. I hadn't seen that.

663
00:32:26,658 --> 00:32:31,058
Speaker 3: Wow, So minus thirty one yards before contact. So that

664
00:32:31,098 --> 00:32:34,538
Speaker 3: means that they're going backwards. Okay, And to his credit,

665
00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:38,258
Speaker 3: Ramandre Stevenson broke seven tackles in this game and just

666
00:32:38,338 --> 00:32:38,658
Speaker 3: kind of.

667
00:32:38,578 --> 00:32:40,658
Speaker 2: Putting the team on backwards. Doesn't that mean like they

668
00:32:40,658 --> 00:32:43,818
Speaker 2: were hit behind the line of Yeah, So.

669
00:32:44,538 --> 00:32:47,538
Speaker 3: Minus thirty one yards before contact in this game. That

670
00:32:47,698 --> 00:32:52,578
Speaker 3: is the lowest number of the season outside of one game,

671
00:32:52,618 --> 00:32:55,218
Speaker 3: the second lowest number of the season for the entire

672
00:32:55,338 --> 00:32:59,258
Speaker 3: NFL league through eight weeks that the Titans against the

673
00:32:59,298 --> 00:33:02,298
Speaker 3: Dolphins the Titans had the lower that they had.

674
00:33:02,298 --> 00:33:04,498
Speaker 2: Well, do you remember after week two there was that

675
00:33:04,578 --> 00:33:06,578
Speaker 2: stat that went around that Ramondre scenes that he probably

676
00:33:06,578 --> 00:33:09,898
Speaker 2: did again had more yards after contact than total yards.

677
00:33:09,938 --> 00:33:10,338
Speaker 2: Sure did.

678
00:33:10,378 --> 00:33:13,098
Speaker 3: He had fifty nine yards after contact, he had forty

679
00:33:13,138 --> 00:33:15,898
Speaker 3: eight total yards.

680
00:33:14,178 --> 00:33:16,538
Speaker 2: That's okay.

681
00:33:16,858 --> 00:33:20,858
Speaker 3: So they still can't run the ball at all offensively,

682
00:33:21,018 --> 00:33:27,218
Speaker 3: that that's a big problem. Okay, Defensively, run the ball,

683
00:33:27,218 --> 00:33:29,778
Speaker 3: stop the run cover kicks, right, those are the those

684
00:33:29,778 --> 00:33:35,178
Speaker 3: are the three bucks, hits, three boxes. Defensively on runs

685
00:33:35,258 --> 00:33:40,058
Speaker 3: outside the tackles, not runs on the interior, runs on

686
00:33:40,098 --> 00:33:43,698
Speaker 3: the outside outside the tackles. The Jets had eighty four

687
00:33:43,778 --> 00:33:48,098
Speaker 3: yards on sixteen carries. That's five point three yards per carry.

688
00:33:48,258 --> 00:33:50,498
Speaker 3: So they came into this game, the Jets, and to

689
00:33:50,578 --> 00:33:53,378
Speaker 3: their credit, they had some game plan plays. It seemed

690
00:33:53,378 --> 00:33:56,258
Speaker 3: like early on out of their two back sets, a

691
00:33:56,298 --> 00:34:00,098
Speaker 3: couple of the tosses outside to breassee Hall that worked.

692
00:34:00,578 --> 00:34:03,378
Speaker 3: But they still for the most part pretty much gashed

693
00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:05,018
Speaker 3: the Patriots on the outside run game.

694
00:34:05,378 --> 00:34:07,658
Speaker 2: So we have not run the ball.

695
00:34:08,218 --> 00:34:12,418
Speaker 3: We have only stopped half the runs, right, we stopped

696
00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:15,098
Speaker 3: half the runs, and then on special teams they gave

697
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:18,738
Speaker 3: up another forty yard punt return in this game. So

698
00:34:18,777 --> 00:34:22,458
Speaker 3: when I say that this wasn't a soft response, this

699
00:34:22,738 --> 00:34:26,058
Speaker 3: was a better version of the football that they've been playing.

700
00:34:26,538 --> 00:34:29,058
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about, and those are the numbers

701
00:34:29,098 --> 00:34:31,297
Speaker 3: to back it up. So as much as I want

702
00:34:31,338 --> 00:34:33,698
Speaker 3: to give them their flowers, I don't think they won

703
00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:36,777
Speaker 3: this game because the coach called us soft and we're

704
00:34:36,777 --> 00:34:39,298
Speaker 3: going to show him right Like, I don't feel that way.

705
00:34:39,618 --> 00:34:42,578
Speaker 3: I feel like they did some things better that they

706
00:34:42,578 --> 00:34:46,258
Speaker 3: were already doing right and that was the big thing.

707
00:34:46,338 --> 00:34:49,978
Speaker 3: So on the positive side, I do think this coaching

708
00:34:50,018 --> 00:34:54,618
Speaker 3: staff deserves some credit for some things that they've done. Mainly,

709
00:34:54,938 --> 00:34:57,458
Speaker 3: I would say the number one thing that has improved

710
00:34:57,818 --> 00:35:01,058
Speaker 3: for this entire Patriots team right now over the last

711
00:35:01,098 --> 00:35:03,857
Speaker 3: couple of weeks is pass protection. They have gotten much

712
00:35:03,978 --> 00:35:07,138
Speaker 3: much better. It is basically stabilized in the pass protection

713
00:35:07,298 --> 00:35:09,938
Speaker 3: going on almost a month now of football game. So

714
00:35:09,978 --> 00:35:13,258
Speaker 3: I'll give you the stats. Last week. They allowed a

715
00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:17,738
Speaker 3: thirty point six pressure rate in Week eight. Yep, that's

716
00:35:17,778 --> 00:35:20,378
Speaker 3: pretty good. Right around thirty percent is where you want

717
00:35:20,418 --> 00:35:20,578
Speaker 3: to be.

718
00:35:20,698 --> 00:35:22,378
Speaker 2: I've talked about a lot. You've heard me use the

719
00:35:22,418 --> 00:35:26,738
Speaker 2: word baseline, right, It's yeah, solid.

720
00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:30,378
Speaker 3: In the first five weeks of this season, they were

721
00:35:30,458 --> 00:35:34,218
Speaker 3: allowing a league worst pressure rate of forty six percent.

722
00:35:34,618 --> 00:35:37,178
Speaker 2: What is that off? Is that PFF next Gen? I

723
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:38,897
Speaker 2: thought next Gen had them, somebody had them at fifty.

724
00:35:38,898 --> 00:35:40,898
Speaker 2: They were like it, exactly fifty. Oh, we are not

725
00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:43,018
Speaker 2: getting bogged down by which so no, you know it

726
00:35:43,058 --> 00:35:45,418
Speaker 2: was Brissette's last start was fifty. It was the exact game.

727
00:35:45,618 --> 00:35:48,018
Speaker 2: Forty six percent. That's too high. Either way, it's too high.

728
00:35:48,098 --> 00:35:50,578
Speaker 3: So almost half the dropbacks are getting pressured in the

729
00:35:50,658 --> 00:35:54,297
Speaker 3: first five weeks two and the last three games they're

730
00:35:54,338 --> 00:35:57,458
Speaker 3: down to thirty five percent. So that's an eleven percent

731
00:35:59,178 --> 00:36:03,578
Speaker 3: UH improvement, which is significant significant. So they've gotten a

732
00:36:03,578 --> 00:36:06,338
Speaker 3: lot better in pass protection. I would say that the

733
00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:09,378
Speaker 3: biggest thing that they've improved is free runners to the quarterback.

734
00:36:09,418 --> 00:36:11,218
Speaker 3: You don't see guys coming through the a's and the

735
00:36:11,218 --> 00:36:14,578
Speaker 3: b gaps as often. UH free and and cart blaunched

736
00:36:14,698 --> 00:36:17,938
Speaker 3: the quarterback. H Vederian Lowe when he's been healthy, has

737
00:36:17,978 --> 00:36:22,178
Speaker 3: been solid. At left tackle. Ben Brown has been fine.

738
00:36:22,298 --> 00:36:24,498
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to get too jazzed up

739
00:36:24,498 --> 00:36:29,138
Speaker 3: about Ben Brown, but where he's come from, and you know,

740
00:36:29,218 --> 00:36:31,698
Speaker 3: getting him off a practice squad and bringing him in

741
00:36:31,738 --> 00:36:35,418
Speaker 3: here and you know, thrusting him into starting duties and

742
00:36:35,458 --> 00:36:40,138
Speaker 3: all that more than okay. Right for the circumstance, I

743
00:36:40,178 --> 00:36:43,578
Speaker 3: think Trey Jacobs has been okay wherever they've put him

744
00:36:43,578 --> 00:36:46,018
Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks. So those three guys

745
00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:48,937
Speaker 3: have really stepped up and they've gotten a lot better.

746
00:36:48,978 --> 00:36:52,018
Speaker 3: Their continuity has gotten a lot better, and they are

747
00:36:52,058 --> 00:36:56,218
Speaker 3: giving this passing game a chance. And now that I

748
00:36:56,338 --> 00:37:00,818
Speaker 3: see some protection and some time for these places to develop,

749
00:37:01,378 --> 00:37:05,018
Speaker 3: you're starting to see some of the passing designs and

750
00:37:05,178 --> 00:37:09,698
Speaker 3: concepts that they're running. From a schematic perspective, you're starting

751
00:37:09,698 --> 00:37:13,618
Speaker 3: to see the method to the madness, right, Yeah, You're

752
00:37:13,658 --> 00:37:16,058
Speaker 3: starting to see some open receivers. You're starting to see

753
00:37:16,138 --> 00:37:19,138
Speaker 3: Van Pelt scheme up some stuff and cook up some things,

754
00:37:19,218 --> 00:37:21,658
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're like, Okay, I can

755
00:37:21,698 --> 00:37:23,418
Speaker 3: see what they're doing. You know, they're high low in

756
00:37:23,498 --> 00:37:26,578
Speaker 3: this guy, they're reading off that guy there. You know,

757
00:37:26,618 --> 00:37:31,857
Speaker 3: the basic game winning throw to Kaysehan Booty. Uh, it's

758
00:37:31,858 --> 00:37:35,538
Speaker 3: a it's a all out pressure cover zero check five

759
00:37:35,578 --> 00:37:38,258
Speaker 3: per set and they have the two incuts and then

760
00:37:38,258 --> 00:37:40,258
Speaker 3: they have the deep post and if the safety comes

761
00:37:40,298 --> 00:37:42,378
Speaker 3: down on the incut, He's gonna throw the post and

762
00:37:42,418 --> 00:37:45,018
Speaker 3: vice versa. The safety stays back, I'll throw the incut.

763
00:37:45,298 --> 00:37:49,297
Speaker 3: Like you can start to see the uh, the schematic

764
00:37:49,498 --> 00:37:52,938
Speaker 3: like taking hold right, the scheme, taking hold of like

765
00:37:53,018 --> 00:37:56,458
Speaker 3: what coverage defenders they're trying to conflict and all that

766
00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:59,298
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So I know that's all like pretty,

767
00:37:59,898 --> 00:38:03,418
Speaker 3: you know, dense, But my point is is that it's

768
00:38:03,418 --> 00:38:06,258
Speaker 3: all it's working hand in hand that the pass protection

769
00:38:06,298 --> 00:38:09,098
Speaker 3: has improved. So now all of a sudden, I'm starting

770
00:38:09,138 --> 00:38:11,618
Speaker 3: to see Alex van Pelt come out right like and

771
00:38:11,618 --> 00:38:13,777
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this is what I can give van

772
00:38:13,818 --> 00:38:16,777
Speaker 3: Pelt credit for for what they're doing. So their their

773
00:38:16,898 --> 00:38:21,938
Speaker 3: route combinations are suddenly working again, right, and and that's

774
00:38:21,978 --> 00:38:24,458
Speaker 3: great to see. So this whole passing game looks a

775
00:38:24,458 --> 00:38:26,778
Speaker 3: lot better, and I think it starts up front.

776
00:38:26,618 --> 00:38:28,458
Speaker 2: And I think it's the continuity. I know people have said,

777
00:38:28,458 --> 00:38:30,258
Speaker 2: well it got better with Drake May to kide to

778
00:38:30,298 --> 00:38:32,698
Speaker 2: this stat and it's a good one. So the pressure

779
00:38:32,778 --> 00:38:35,778
Speaker 2: rate on May last week was thirty percent. With Persette

780
00:38:35,778 --> 00:38:40,018
Speaker 2: it was thirty point eight, so nearly identical. Yeah, I

781
00:38:40,058 --> 00:38:41,898
Speaker 2: just think you last week was the same time they

782
00:38:42,018 --> 00:38:44,458
Speaker 2: put the same unit out twice, Yeah, and that means

783
00:38:44,498 --> 00:38:46,538
Speaker 2: something like that matters. These guys get used to playing

784
00:38:46,578 --> 00:38:49,818
Speaker 2: with each other. We were talking about this earlier. I'd

785
00:38:49,818 --> 00:38:52,218
Speaker 2: stick with this group. I would not touch this group

786
00:38:52,618 --> 00:38:56,858
Speaker 2: as it exists right now. Leyden Robinson's gonna come back. Great.

787
00:38:57,138 --> 00:38:59,378
Speaker 2: Let them watch, Let them watch. I think you have

788
00:38:59,858 --> 00:39:05,578
Speaker 2: what it's low low, Jorge Jordan Browrown to Winn Jacobs.

789
00:39:06,018 --> 00:39:07,938
Speaker 2: Let it ride. Let it ride until they give you

790
00:39:07,978 --> 00:39:10,218
Speaker 2: a reason not to. Because you're actually building some continuity

791
00:39:10,258 --> 00:39:13,098
Speaker 2: now and that can help, and that's gonna impact. Like

792
00:39:13,098 --> 00:39:15,337
Speaker 2: the free Rushers thing, guys know where to be. They're

793
00:39:15,338 --> 00:39:17,338
Speaker 2: getting understanding of how the guys on their left and

794
00:39:17,378 --> 00:39:20,857
Speaker 2: their right play and it it makes it easier. So

795
00:39:21,298 --> 00:39:24,258
Speaker 2: I think that they have kind of found a best

796
00:39:24,298 --> 00:39:28,658
Speaker 2: five yeah, and are letting them work together. That that's important.

797
00:39:28,698 --> 00:39:30,817
Speaker 2: That makes a difference. And you're seeing that lay out

798
00:39:30,818 --> 00:39:32,058
Speaker 2: in real time, Yeah, you are.

799
00:39:32,138 --> 00:39:34,458
Speaker 3: And you know it's a bummer because the play got

800
00:39:34,498 --> 00:39:36,898
Speaker 3: wiped out by a holding penalty on Michael Jordan. That

801
00:39:37,018 --> 00:39:40,698
Speaker 3: was like borderline, but for the first time maybe all season.

802
00:39:41,378 --> 00:39:44,298
Speaker 3: The explosive that they ran the Hunter Henry that got

803
00:39:44,778 --> 00:39:47,378
Speaker 3: called back because of the penalty. That was one of

804
00:39:47,378 --> 00:39:51,018
Speaker 3: the first times all season where I was like, Holy hell,

805
00:39:51,138 --> 00:39:53,938
Speaker 3: is at a good scheme right? Like dang, So you

806
00:39:53,978 --> 00:39:59,138
Speaker 3: know they're running spot concept, so flat little curl inside

807
00:39:59,218 --> 00:40:01,738
Speaker 3: like an inside hitch, and with the usually it's pair

808
00:40:01,858 --> 00:40:03,978
Speaker 3: with like a corner post, right, it kind of can

809
00:40:03,978 --> 00:40:06,658
Speaker 3: break it either way depending on the coverage. And so

810
00:40:06,778 --> 00:40:10,338
Speaker 3: Henry fakes like he's gonna sit in between the zone

811
00:40:10,778 --> 00:40:13,658
Speaker 3: and then like spins out of it and just wheels

812
00:40:13,698 --> 00:40:16,258
Speaker 3: out of it up the sideline, and it's just a

813
00:40:16,298 --> 00:40:20,378
Speaker 3: great counter to the spot concept. But it only works

814
00:40:20,378 --> 00:40:22,338
Speaker 3: if they have some time in the pocket for it

815
00:40:22,418 --> 00:40:25,498
Speaker 3: to matriculate down the field. Otherwise you're not gonna be

816
00:40:25,538 --> 00:40:27,817
Speaker 3: able to run what's essentially like a double move by

817
00:40:27,898 --> 00:40:29,978
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry. You're not gonna have time to do it.

818
00:40:29,978 --> 00:40:32,858
Speaker 3: Now had to avoid pressure and then throw the football.

819
00:40:32,898 --> 00:40:36,178
Speaker 3: But the general point I'm getting at is that when

820
00:40:36,218 --> 00:40:39,058
Speaker 3: you have time in the pocket, shocker, you actually are

821
00:40:39,098 --> 00:40:41,258
Speaker 3: able to run some things in the passing game that

822
00:40:41,298 --> 00:40:43,817
Speaker 3: you might not be able to run before. And it's

823
00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:45,938
Speaker 3: been good to see that because now I feel like

824
00:40:46,018 --> 00:40:49,938
Speaker 3: I can really start to properly evaluate Alex Van pelt

825
00:40:50,018 --> 00:40:52,618
Speaker 3: As a schemer in the passing game, whereas the first

826
00:40:52,738 --> 00:40:54,978
Speaker 3: you know, four or five weeks of the season, it

827
00:40:55,018 --> 00:40:57,138
Speaker 3: felt difficult to do that at times because of how

828
00:40:57,178 --> 00:41:00,058
Speaker 3: bad the pass pro was. And I also give kudos

829
00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:03,938
Speaker 3: to Scott Peters, Coogler's Peters, those guys. They're doing a

830
00:41:03,938 --> 00:41:06,698
Speaker 3: really good job too of getting these guys ready to

831
00:41:06,698 --> 00:41:10,458
Speaker 3: play and taking these scrap heap guys that Elliot Wolf

832
00:41:10,498 --> 00:41:13,498
Speaker 3: has gotten for him and turning Ben Brown into a

833
00:41:13,538 --> 00:41:16,578
Speaker 3: competent center and Trey Jacobs into a competent tackle, and

834
00:41:17,258 --> 00:41:18,897
Speaker 3: you know, so on and so forth. That's not easy

835
00:41:18,938 --> 00:41:20,698
Speaker 3: to do and they've been able to do it. So

836
00:41:20,778 --> 00:41:23,738
Speaker 3: credit to Peters as well as a VP to that department.

837
00:41:23,738 --> 00:41:25,698
Speaker 2: That's kind of one big picture take I have on

838
00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:30,098
Speaker 2: this season as a whole is that. And this was

839
00:41:30,258 --> 00:41:32,098
Speaker 2: on so your take at the beginning of the year

840
00:41:32,218 --> 00:41:36,138
Speaker 2: was like trusting Scott Peters strike system, baby, Like, not

841
00:41:36,258 --> 00:41:37,978
Speaker 2: that the line's been great, but when you look at

842
00:41:38,018 --> 00:41:39,538
Speaker 2: what they've been given, like you said, there's a new

843
00:41:39,578 --> 00:41:41,458
Speaker 2: guy coming in off the street. It feels like almost

844
00:41:41,498 --> 00:41:44,498
Speaker 2: every week and every week we're saying like it's not great,

845
00:41:44,538 --> 00:41:46,498
Speaker 2: but it probably could have been worse. It probably should

846
00:41:46,538 --> 00:41:50,337
Speaker 2: have been worse. Imagine this offensive line staff when they

847
00:41:50,338 --> 00:41:54,377
Speaker 2: get like five, you know, high caliber players that are

848
00:41:54,738 --> 00:41:57,378
Speaker 2: out there every single week and can work together. Right,

849
00:41:57,418 --> 00:41:59,418
Speaker 2: you're just scratching the surface. So one thing I will

850
00:41:59,418 --> 00:42:02,218
Speaker 2: say is I feel very good about Scott Peters through

851
00:42:02,218 --> 00:42:05,018
Speaker 2: the first eight weeks. I'm actually very encouraging his staff

852
00:42:05,018 --> 00:42:07,377
Speaker 2: by extension. Yeah, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen

853
00:42:07,418 --> 00:42:09,058
Speaker 2: from Scott Peters through the first eight weeks.

854
00:42:09,178 --> 00:42:12,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, their system works. We know it works because

855
00:42:12,258 --> 00:42:16,378
Speaker 3: it worked in Cleveland. So like what they're teaching their tenants,

856
00:42:16,378 --> 00:42:18,618
Speaker 3: their fundamentals, their scheme.

857
00:42:19,898 --> 00:42:21,298
Speaker 2: Clearly it works.

858
00:42:21,578 --> 00:42:23,658
Speaker 3: You just have to have the right guys to be

859
00:42:23,698 --> 00:42:25,538
Speaker 3: able to execute it. You have to have the personnel

860
00:42:25,858 --> 00:42:28,138
Speaker 3: to be able to execute it. So that's why I

861
00:42:28,618 --> 00:42:32,058
Speaker 3: at the beginning was maybe a little bit you know,

862
00:42:32,098 --> 00:42:36,538
Speaker 3: bullish on Scott Peters, was because I've seen this scheme,

863
00:42:37,578 --> 00:42:41,937
Speaker 3: this Bill Callahan scheme we will talk about later take

864
00:42:41,978 --> 00:42:44,658
Speaker 3: hold and work in other places. So it's not the scheme,

865
00:42:44,738 --> 00:42:47,258
Speaker 3: it's not the coaching, it's not the fundamentals, it's not

866
00:42:47,298 --> 00:42:49,538
Speaker 3: the tenants of the scheme. You just have to get

867
00:42:49,578 --> 00:42:51,378
Speaker 3: the right guys in here that can actually go out

868
00:42:51,418 --> 00:42:53,338
Speaker 3: there and execute it. And when I asked Van Pelt

869
00:42:53,618 --> 00:42:56,418
Speaker 3: about it this morning, that's sort of what he was

870
00:42:56,498 --> 00:42:59,738
Speaker 3: mentioning was, you know, we've been able to build and

871
00:42:59,778 --> 00:43:02,178
Speaker 3: now we have eight weeks of games and eight weeks

872
00:43:02,178 --> 00:43:05,738
Speaker 3: of practices and drills and reps and reps and reps

873
00:43:05,738 --> 00:43:08,377
Speaker 3: and reps, and it's starting to settle down a little bit,

874
00:43:08,818 --> 00:43:11,178
Speaker 3: which is good to see. All Right, Moving on to

875
00:43:11,218 --> 00:43:14,298
Speaker 3: the other side of the ball. I have two bouquets

876
00:43:14,338 --> 00:43:17,498
Speaker 3: to give to the defense, all right. The first one

877
00:43:18,498 --> 00:43:21,298
Speaker 3: I've been clamoring for it for weeks. I'm glad that

878
00:43:21,338 --> 00:43:24,818
Speaker 3: we're finally coming to this point in time with this

879
00:43:24,978 --> 00:43:28,658
Speaker 3: defense a forty eight percent man coverage rate in this

880
00:43:28,698 --> 00:43:32,817
Speaker 3: game against the Jets. Right, you go out there and

881
00:43:32,858 --> 00:43:34,817
Speaker 3: play man to man. You have the guys to do it.

882
00:43:34,858 --> 00:43:38,018
Speaker 3: You have Christian Gonzalez who can take any number one

883
00:43:38,058 --> 00:43:40,578
Speaker 3: receiver in the league and go to toe to toe

884
00:43:40,578 --> 00:43:42,777
Speaker 3: with that guy for four quarters. We've seen him do

885
00:43:42,858 --> 00:43:44,857
Speaker 3: that weekend and week out, going all the way back

886
00:43:44,858 --> 00:43:47,498
Speaker 3: to his rookie season. Although he got picked on a

887
00:43:47,538 --> 00:43:49,618
Speaker 3: little bit in this game. I think both Joneses can

888
00:43:49,618 --> 00:43:52,778
Speaker 3: cover pretty well in Manta. Man, you have the guys

889
00:43:52,858 --> 00:43:54,857
Speaker 3: dugger mapu. You know, if you want to go man

890
00:43:54,858 --> 00:43:56,938
Speaker 3: to man on a tight end, you have that capability

891
00:43:56,938 --> 00:43:59,618
Speaker 3: to do that as well. This defense needs to play

892
00:43:59,658 --> 00:44:01,817
Speaker 3: more manton man. They need to play more mant to man.

893
00:44:02,018 --> 00:44:04,178
Speaker 3: They need to play more post safety to get that

894
00:44:04,258 --> 00:44:06,618
Speaker 3: extra hat in the box, whether it's to stop the run,

895
00:44:06,658 --> 00:44:09,338
Speaker 3: it's to blitz the quarterback, whatever the case may be.

896
00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:12,297
Speaker 3: That's what they were able to do this week. Like

897
00:44:12,338 --> 00:44:14,458
Speaker 3: I said, Marcus Jones got picked on a little bit

898
00:44:14,458 --> 00:44:17,817
Speaker 3: in this game, but on the whole, it did its job.

899
00:44:17,858 --> 00:44:21,618
Speaker 3: And they had some really really good third down reps

900
00:44:21,778 --> 00:44:25,098
Speaker 3: in this game, kind of matching coverage right like cutting

901
00:44:25,098 --> 00:44:29,458
Speaker 3: off crossing routes and switching and bracketing guys if you

902
00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:31,857
Speaker 3: want to call it that. So they had some really

903
00:44:31,898 --> 00:44:35,298
Speaker 3: high level, I thought coverage reps in this game third

904
00:44:35,338 --> 00:44:38,498
Speaker 3: down right around the fifty yard line. Early red zone rep.

905
00:44:38,698 --> 00:44:40,937
Speaker 3: Christian Elysis sack was a big play in the game.

906
00:44:41,378 --> 00:44:45,538
Speaker 3: Really good bracket call there on Adams and Wilson. So

907
00:44:45,578 --> 00:44:47,498
Speaker 3: these are the types of things that you have seen

908
00:44:47,538 --> 00:44:50,098
Speaker 3: the Belichick defenses do in the past that are kind

909
00:44:50,098 --> 00:44:55,138
Speaker 3: of like you know, PhD level coverages that they're now

910
00:44:55,178 --> 00:44:57,418
Speaker 3: starting to be able to be able to execute in

911
00:44:57,458 --> 00:44:59,978
Speaker 3: the back end. So some of that stuff we saw

912
00:45:00,058 --> 00:45:02,658
Speaker 3: earlier on in the year, like the Mad zones and

913
00:45:03,098 --> 00:45:06,297
Speaker 3: the Baltimore stuff that they were trying to implement, we're

914
00:45:06,298 --> 00:45:08,897
Speaker 3: starting to see that phase out a little bit week

915
00:45:08,938 --> 00:45:10,898
Speaker 3: by week, and we're starting to see a lot more

916
00:45:10,938 --> 00:45:14,377
Speaker 3: of those Belichick era stuff, you know, cover seven one

917
00:45:14,538 --> 00:45:17,418
Speaker 3: cross that kind of thing, which I think is a

918
00:45:17,418 --> 00:45:17,898
Speaker 3: good sign.

919
00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:22,538
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think specifically that man coverage, and you know,

920
00:45:22,978 --> 00:45:25,178
Speaker 2: is the pass rush continues to struggle, they're going to

921
00:45:25,258 --> 00:45:27,618
Speaker 2: have to cover longer playing and simple so it's a

922
00:45:27,658 --> 00:45:31,738
Speaker 2: little bit you know, man gives them some advantage. And yeah,

923
00:45:31,858 --> 00:45:32,777
Speaker 2: I'd say it's pretty good.

924
00:45:33,138 --> 00:45:36,578
Speaker 3: I just good to Covington and that staff because I thought,

925
00:45:36,658 --> 00:45:38,578
Speaker 3: you know, you can call it simplifying if you want

926
00:45:38,578 --> 00:45:39,498
Speaker 3: to call it simplifying.

927
00:45:39,618 --> 00:45:42,538
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with simplifying if it works right it.

928
00:45:42,658 --> 00:45:46,618
Speaker 3: Just as Devon Gotshaw perfectly put it, after the game,

929
00:45:47,258 --> 00:45:50,098
Speaker 3: stop all the cute shit, right, like, stop doing all

930
00:45:50,178 --> 00:45:52,738
Speaker 3: of the like, oh we can we're gonna drop this guy,

931
00:45:52,778 --> 00:45:55,138
Speaker 3: and we're gonna rush that guy, and we're gonna spin

932
00:45:55,218 --> 00:45:57,818
Speaker 3: it this way and we're matching zones and things like

933
00:45:57,978 --> 00:46:01,258
Speaker 3: stop it, stop it. Just our guys against your guys.

934
00:46:01,578 --> 00:46:03,778
Speaker 3: I thought they did it on the interior run defense

935
00:46:03,818 --> 00:46:06,178
Speaker 3: as well, which is the other flower bouquet. I wanted

936
00:46:06,178 --> 00:46:09,138
Speaker 3: to toss to them. Yeah on Uh, well, I got

937
00:46:09,178 --> 00:46:12,338
Speaker 3: the numbers two point three yards per carry on runs

938
00:46:12,338 --> 00:46:17,297
Speaker 3: between the tacks. Dietrich Wise I thought was really good

939
00:46:17,338 --> 00:46:20,258
Speaker 3: in this game. Jeremiah Farms kind of got it started

940
00:46:20,338 --> 00:46:23,618
Speaker 3: with a nice run stuff early. Uh Tavay and Christian

941
00:46:23,658 --> 00:46:25,857
Speaker 3: Ellis were much better in this game against the run.

942
00:46:25,898 --> 00:46:29,138
Speaker 2: I thought, Uh Gotsha delivered.

943
00:46:28,738 --> 00:46:31,338
Speaker 3: That fantastic line of stopping all the cute shit, But

944
00:46:31,378 --> 00:46:33,898
Speaker 3: he also talked about getting back to some of the

945
00:46:33,938 --> 00:46:37,658
Speaker 3: basic front mechanics that they've run over the years recently

946
00:46:38,338 --> 00:46:42,178
Speaker 3: and stopping all the cute shit, you know, all the

947
00:46:42,258 --> 00:46:45,218
Speaker 3: run blitzes and stunts and games and things like that.

948
00:46:45,298 --> 00:46:47,898
Speaker 2: The thing about defense in the NFL, or just in

949
00:46:47,938 --> 00:46:52,777
Speaker 2: football in general, if you're good enough and look, they

950
00:46:52,778 --> 00:46:55,738
Speaker 2: have their talent deficiencies, but relative to the opponent, if

951
00:46:55,738 --> 00:46:58,337
Speaker 2: you're good enough line up and play it, you don't,

952
00:46:58,418 --> 00:47:00,498
Speaker 2: especially against a guy like Aaron Rodgers. You're not gonna

953
00:47:00,498 --> 00:47:03,178
Speaker 2: confuse Aaron Rodgers. You're not gonna throw off air like

954
00:47:03,218 --> 00:47:07,538
Speaker 2: he's seen everything. Sure right, just line up and play it.

955
00:47:07,618 --> 00:47:09,418
Speaker 2: Just make make a better play than the guy opposite

956
00:47:09,418 --> 00:47:11,058
Speaker 2: of you. Sometimes you can get away with that, and

957
00:47:11,058 --> 00:47:12,378
Speaker 2: this was the perfect team to do it. And I

958
00:47:12,378 --> 00:47:15,618
Speaker 2: hope they keep it against Tennessee because whoever is at quarterback,

959
00:47:15,818 --> 00:47:18,058
Speaker 2: it's two guys that haven't seen a ton of NFL football,

960
00:47:18,378 --> 00:47:21,378
Speaker 2: So there may be more motivation to go back to

961
00:47:21,818 --> 00:47:23,538
Speaker 2: throwing in some more of those wrinkles and some of

962
00:47:23,538 --> 00:47:27,297
Speaker 2: those disguises and things like that. Ball up top, line

963
00:47:27,338 --> 00:47:28,938
Speaker 2: it up, play it. I think that's kind of what

964
00:47:28,978 --> 00:47:29,897
Speaker 2: they got to do at this point.

965
00:47:30,018 --> 00:47:32,938
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you look at their their schedule moving

966
00:47:32,978 --> 00:47:35,658
Speaker 3: forward here, and I'm not talking about, oh, they're gonna

967
00:47:35,698 --> 00:47:37,458
Speaker 3: go on a winning streak, and I'm not going there.

968
00:47:37,538 --> 00:47:40,218
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the opponents that in the offenses

969
00:47:40,258 --> 00:47:44,578
Speaker 3: that they're gonna face. I feel like they can play

970
00:47:44,618 --> 00:47:48,138
Speaker 3: pretty simple defensively and stand toe to toe a little

971
00:47:48,138 --> 00:47:49,898
Speaker 3: bit with these teams like it might look like it

972
00:47:49,898 --> 00:47:53,098
Speaker 3: did on Sunday where the Jets made some place like

973
00:47:53,138 --> 00:47:56,098
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, no doubt made some place. You know, Breist

974
00:47:56,138 --> 00:47:57,778
Speaker 3: Hall had some runs. You know, I had a sixteen

975
00:47:57,858 --> 00:47:59,978
Speaker 3: yard run. He broke some runs off in this game

976
00:48:00,018 --> 00:48:01,418
Speaker 3: as well a few times.

977
00:48:01,498 --> 00:48:04,818
Speaker 2: But you know what there, it's that old Belichick like

978
00:48:05,298 --> 00:48:07,738
Speaker 2: they didn't want them to win with Devonte Adams. Right, yeah,

979
00:48:07,738 --> 00:48:09,777
Speaker 2: we're gonna go out here and make you beat us

980
00:48:09,858 --> 00:48:13,778
Speaker 2: left handed in if you beat like, you know, against

981
00:48:13,818 --> 00:48:16,498
Speaker 2: Titans week, Right, Calvin Ridley's probably got you take away.

982
00:48:16,498 --> 00:48:18,178
Speaker 2: So you look at any of those other receivers on

983
00:48:18,218 --> 00:48:20,178
Speaker 2: the Titans, you're gonna beat us throwing one of those

984
00:48:20,178 --> 00:48:21,098
Speaker 2: guys will tip oark out.

985
00:48:21,338 --> 00:48:23,857
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they have the Titans this week, who's often

986
00:48:23,978 --> 00:48:27,498
Speaker 3: stinks and now doesn't have DeAndre Hopkins on top of that, right,

987
00:48:27,498 --> 00:48:30,658
Speaker 3: so their offense is terrible. There's no reason what's or

988
00:48:30,738 --> 00:48:33,458
Speaker 3: that Christian Gonzales shouldn't go out there and cover Calvin

989
00:48:33,538 --> 00:48:35,938
Speaker 3: Ridley and you play it straight up, right, there's no

990
00:48:35,978 --> 00:48:40,418
Speaker 3: reason to reinvent the wheel. The following week I think

991
00:48:40,498 --> 00:48:42,338
Speaker 3: is a little bit tougher because the Bears have a

992
00:48:42,338 --> 00:48:45,618
Speaker 3: decent amount of weapons, but still a rookie quarterback, right,

993
00:48:45,938 --> 00:48:48,178
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't go out there and try too much

994
00:48:48,178 --> 00:48:48,818
Speaker 3: against Caleb.

995
00:48:49,618 --> 00:48:51,178
Speaker 2: I guess we'll get to it. Do you play more zones?

996
00:48:51,338 --> 00:48:54,018
Speaker 2: Of eyes on the quarterback and that we'll get to that,

997
00:48:54,138 --> 00:48:55,498
Speaker 2: get to that, we get to it. Yeah, that's a

998
00:48:55,538 --> 00:48:56,178
Speaker 2: little more new ones.

999
00:48:56,178 --> 00:48:57,978
Speaker 3: Then you have the Rams in Matthew Stafford, who is

1000
00:48:58,058 --> 00:48:59,778
Speaker 3: kind of like Aaron Rodgers, like, you're not going to

1001
00:48:59,858 --> 00:49:03,218
Speaker 3: fool Matthew Staffords a betteran quarterback. You're you've got to

1002
00:49:03,258 --> 00:49:05,898
Speaker 3: just kind of play him straight up. And then you know,

1003
00:49:05,898 --> 00:49:07,938
Speaker 3: you got two in the Dolphins the following week, which

1004
00:49:07,978 --> 00:49:09,538
Speaker 3: we've seen them be able to go out there and

1005
00:49:09,578 --> 00:49:10,498
Speaker 3: cover Tyree Hill.

1006
00:49:10,618 --> 00:49:13,297
Speaker 2: You have you evidence that you can play that team

1007
00:49:13,338 --> 00:49:14,538
Speaker 2: straight up and be competitive.

1008
00:49:14,658 --> 00:49:17,818
Speaker 3: And just lastly, then you got the Colts with probably

1009
00:49:17,938 --> 00:49:19,538
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco right quarterback.

1010
00:49:19,618 --> 00:49:19,738
Speaker 2: Right.

1011
00:49:19,778 --> 00:49:22,858
Speaker 3: So my point is is that I hope moving forward

1012
00:49:23,178 --> 00:49:25,178
Speaker 3: that this is the brand of defense that they play.

1013
00:49:25,418 --> 00:49:26,938
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be a top five

1014
00:49:27,018 --> 00:49:29,458
Speaker 3: defense playing this way, but I also don't think they're

1015
00:49:29,498 --> 00:49:31,938
Speaker 3: going to be a bottom five defense playing this way either.

1016
00:49:32,218 --> 00:49:34,538
Speaker 3: I think they got a little too cute early on

1017
00:49:34,578 --> 00:49:36,738
Speaker 3: in the season, and they wanted to try some new

1018
00:49:36,778 --> 00:49:40,018
Speaker 3: stuff and try some you know, DeMarcus Covington, I'm sure

1019
00:49:40,298 --> 00:49:42,777
Speaker 3: I wanted to show off a little bit that he's

1020
00:49:42,778 --> 00:49:44,778
Speaker 3: got some new schemes and he's been in the lab

1021
00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:47,178
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and I know hold

1022
00:49:47,178 --> 00:49:50,938
Speaker 3: it against him, but in hindsight, it's always good to

1023
00:49:50,978 --> 00:49:53,178
Speaker 3: go with the simple stuff and what's been working around here.

1024
00:49:53,458 --> 00:49:55,458
Speaker 2: Man, I would suck if Anthony Richards is not back

1025
00:49:55,498 --> 00:49:58,778
Speaker 2: by then I feel for the guy. There's a thread

1026
00:49:58,778 --> 00:50:01,138
Speaker 2: on Twitter about like, the NFL doesn't have a quarterback problem,

1027
00:50:01,178 --> 00:50:04,337
Speaker 2: it has a quarterback development problem. Possible. I think it's

1028
00:50:04,378 --> 00:50:07,378
Speaker 2: it's more than possible. You can't draft that guy and

1029
00:50:07,418 --> 00:50:09,538
Speaker 2: then be surprised when this is the like, you gotta

1030
00:50:09,538 --> 00:50:11,658
Speaker 2: be patient with him. And that's not even the whole

1031
00:50:11,698 --> 00:50:14,018
Speaker 2: should he play, should he sit? Debate. It's just guys

1032
00:50:14,018 --> 00:50:16,377
Speaker 2: aren't gonna come in the league and be MVPs right away.

1033
00:50:16,418 --> 00:50:20,698
Speaker 2: CEJ Stroud is a massive anomaly. Massive anomaly even some

1034
00:50:20,738 --> 00:50:23,258
Speaker 2: of the and I think Bill actually talked about this

1035
00:50:23,818 --> 00:50:25,578
Speaker 2: the other night. I can never keep track of which

1036
00:50:25,578 --> 00:50:27,138
Speaker 2: show he's on. I just see the clips on Twitter,

1037
00:50:27,298 --> 00:50:28,978
Speaker 2: But on one of his shows he was talking where

1038
00:50:28,978 --> 00:50:31,138
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, they threw Sam Darnold to

1039
00:50:31,178 --> 00:50:32,978
Speaker 2: the Wolves, didn't like what they saw, look at him. Now,

1040
00:50:33,058 --> 00:50:34,898
Speaker 2: they threw Baker Mayfield to the Wolves. Didn't like what

1041
00:50:34,898 --> 00:50:37,578
Speaker 2: they saw looking at him. Now, like, these guys develop

1042
00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:39,618
Speaker 2: and they get there, but you gotta show some patience.

1043
00:50:39,618 --> 00:50:42,138
Speaker 2: I get it hasn't looked good with Richardson. And look

1044
00:50:42,178 --> 00:50:44,378
Speaker 2: if they sat him because he checked himself out of

1045
00:50:44,378 --> 00:50:46,098
Speaker 2: a game, that's one thing. But that doesn't seem to

1046
00:50:46,098 --> 00:50:48,498
Speaker 2: be the case because I think Stichen said today that

1047
00:50:48,498 --> 00:50:51,218
Speaker 2: that Flacco was gonna start moving forward, which implies it's

1048
00:50:51,218 --> 00:50:54,058
Speaker 2: gonna be more than one game. Yeah, and you know

1049
00:50:54,058 --> 00:50:56,018
Speaker 2: the same to the Patriots, Like it's looked really good

1050
00:50:56,018 --> 00:50:58,058
Speaker 2: with Drake May through three games, two games in a quarter.

1051
00:50:58,298 --> 00:51:00,978
Speaker 2: It's looked really good. Do I want it to look

1052
00:51:00,978 --> 00:51:03,498
Speaker 2: this way the entire time? They'd be great, it'd be excellent.

1053
00:51:03,898 --> 00:51:05,698
Speaker 2: Ideally a little bit better with the points, but like

1054
00:51:06,498 --> 00:51:08,978
Speaker 2: he's gonna have rough patches like they're coming, and that's

1055
00:51:09,018 --> 00:51:11,938
Speaker 2: not a knock at Drake May. Like nobody plays quarterback

1056
00:51:12,018 --> 00:51:16,298
Speaker 2: like this consistently sure and understanding that you know, the

1057
00:51:16,378 --> 00:51:19,258
Speaker 2: first miss isn't oh no, he's actually a bust. It

1058
00:51:19,298 --> 00:51:20,777
Speaker 2: was just they didn't have film on a play. No,

1059
00:51:20,818 --> 00:51:22,818
Speaker 2: you just gotta be patient. It takes a few years.

1060
00:51:22,858 --> 00:51:24,458
Speaker 2: It takes a few years for these guys to really

1061
00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:25,377
Speaker 2: develop and round out.

1062
00:51:25,738 --> 00:51:28,018
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do three up, three down. You have your

1063
00:51:28,258 --> 00:51:30,458
Speaker 3: your list? Did you have your list? It didn't get lost?

1064
00:51:30,538 --> 00:51:32,377
Speaker 3: And you have a shiny new phone.

1065
00:51:32,418 --> 00:51:34,378
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure. It's very like high Definitely, you have

1066
00:51:34,378 --> 00:51:36,218
Speaker 2: a new phone. Now you like it? I like it

1067
00:51:36,258 --> 00:51:38,538
Speaker 2: a little bit. All right, you get a new phone

1068
00:51:38,578 --> 00:51:40,258
Speaker 2: and you tell me if you like, here's your number

1069
00:51:40,258 --> 00:51:42,498
Speaker 2: one up And everyone else with Cob said me too,

1070
00:51:42,698 --> 00:51:45,978
Speaker 2: because just not even for what he did on the field,

1071
00:51:46,058 --> 00:51:47,898
Speaker 2: like he was good. You know, you saw some of

1072
00:51:47,898 --> 00:51:50,378
Speaker 2: those issues come back that we saw the first five weeks,

1073
00:51:50,418 --> 00:51:51,898
Speaker 2: but he made some plays as well. I think the

1074
00:51:51,938 --> 00:51:54,498
Speaker 2: big thing was he wasn't sped up. Yeah, it looked

1075
00:51:54,498 --> 00:51:56,218
Speaker 2: more like the guy we saw weeks one and two

1076
00:51:56,258 --> 00:51:59,778
Speaker 2: than say, weeks four and five. But this is a

1077
00:51:59,818 --> 00:52:05,538
Speaker 2: guy that you know, nobody wants to lose their job, obviously.

1078
00:52:06,418 --> 00:52:09,498
Speaker 2: I think the way in which he lost it bothered

1079
00:52:09,578 --> 00:52:13,698
Speaker 2: him more than usual. I understand that. And you know,

1080
00:52:14,258 --> 00:52:16,738
Speaker 2: struggling team, he's not a part of the future here

1081
00:52:16,738 --> 00:52:19,857
Speaker 2: the kids and the kids playing well. He had every

1082
00:52:19,858 --> 00:52:21,858
Speaker 2: reason in the world to check out. And that's a

1083
00:52:21,898 --> 00:52:23,458
Speaker 2: guy that stayed. What I saw on Sunday was a

1084
00:52:23,458 --> 00:52:26,938
Speaker 2: guy that stayed ready, a guy that stayed prepared, and

1085
00:52:27,058 --> 00:52:29,698
Speaker 2: a guy that that came to play and again not

1086
00:52:29,818 --> 00:52:32,938
Speaker 2: easy to do, Like, not everybody has the mental makeup

1087
00:52:32,978 --> 00:52:35,618
Speaker 2: to do that. So you talk about what makes a

1088
00:52:35,618 --> 00:52:37,738
Speaker 2: good backup quarterback, it's not just what you do on

1089
00:52:37,778 --> 00:52:40,098
Speaker 2: the field as a quarterback. There's a certain mentality that

1090
00:52:40,138 --> 00:52:43,458
Speaker 2: comes with being a backup quarterback. And I think jakobra

1091
00:52:43,498 --> 00:52:45,098
Speaker 2: Set showed it and he deserves credit for that.

1092
00:52:45,258 --> 00:52:47,618
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I echo everything that you just said.

1093
00:52:47,978 --> 00:52:50,098
Speaker 3: I'll just add to it. You know, we've had cameras

1094
00:52:50,138 --> 00:52:53,618
Speaker 3: on the sideline every week this year. They our video

1095
00:52:53,618 --> 00:52:55,858
Speaker 3: team does a great job with the micd ups. Go

1096
00:52:55,978 --> 00:52:59,218
Speaker 3: watch the micd ups of some of the offensive players

1097
00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:03,338
Speaker 3: that we had Pop Douglas in Drake's debut, for example,

1098
00:53:03,858 --> 00:53:06,698
Speaker 3: and a number one fan on the sideline when the

1099
00:53:06,698 --> 00:53:11,018
Speaker 3: Patriots offense scores, Jacoby Brisset, like always off the bench,

1100
00:53:11,138 --> 00:53:14,018
Speaker 3: always cheering, going right off to Drake May and giving,

1101
00:53:14,258 --> 00:53:17,138
Speaker 3: you know, Drake May some love for his play. Like

1102
00:53:17,258 --> 00:53:20,898
Speaker 3: I really, he deserves a ton of credit for how

1103
00:53:20,938 --> 00:53:23,777
Speaker 3: he's handled this situation as a professional and how he

1104
00:53:23,858 --> 00:53:26,337
Speaker 3: was ready to go into this game and play. This

1105
00:53:26,418 --> 00:53:28,938
Speaker 3: is I believe his best game of the year. I

1106
00:53:28,938 --> 00:53:31,898
Speaker 3: think this was better than Cincinnati Week one. I had

1107
00:53:31,938 --> 00:53:33,938
Speaker 3: him with seven plus plays in this game, three of

1108
00:53:33,978 --> 00:53:36,417
Speaker 3: them on the game winning touchdown. I thought the drive

1109
00:53:36,458 --> 00:53:38,658
Speaker 3: starter to Hunter Henry was a pretty good ball. Put

1110
00:53:38,738 --> 00:53:41,098
Speaker 3: it just in the perfect spot, you know, up on

1111
00:53:41,138 --> 00:53:43,578
Speaker 3: the shelf for Henry to go out and box out

1112
00:53:43,858 --> 00:53:46,618
Speaker 3: the defender there and make that catch. You mentioned the

1113
00:53:46,618 --> 00:53:49,458
Speaker 3: scramble early on in the show. That was a really

1114
00:53:49,458 --> 00:53:52,378
Speaker 3: good scramble on third down to pick up the first

1115
00:53:52,378 --> 00:53:54,938
Speaker 3: down there. And then obviously the throw to Booty where

1116
00:53:54,978 --> 00:53:57,857
Speaker 3: he checks into a cover zero beater and gets him

1117
00:53:57,858 --> 00:53:59,817
Speaker 3: into the right play and then makes a really good

1118
00:53:59,858 --> 00:54:03,258
Speaker 3: throw under pressure. Kudos to him like that. Whether you

1119
00:54:03,258 --> 00:54:05,298
Speaker 3: want to talk about it the way you talked about it,

1120
00:54:05,298 --> 00:54:07,297
Speaker 3: which I thought was great, yeah, or if you want

1121
00:54:07,338 --> 00:54:09,738
Speaker 3: to talk about it from an actually going throw to

1122
00:54:09,778 --> 00:54:12,818
Speaker 3: throw and seeing how he played in this game, I

1123
00:54:12,818 --> 00:54:16,138
Speaker 3: can't complain about anything. You know, he played really, really well,

1124
00:54:16,418 --> 00:54:19,458
Speaker 3: and frankly, it didn't start off too hot. Like first

1125
00:54:19,538 --> 00:54:21,138
Speaker 3: third down of the game, he threw short of the

1126
00:54:21,138 --> 00:54:23,578
Speaker 3: sticks and I was like, here we go. Right, takes

1127
00:54:23,578 --> 00:54:25,817
Speaker 3: a bad sack, I thought in this game as well,

1128
00:54:26,178 --> 00:54:27,898
Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, well, these are some

1129
00:54:27,938 --> 00:54:29,658
Speaker 3: of the reasons why he got benched. But in the

1130
00:54:29,698 --> 00:54:32,978
Speaker 3: second half, especially that fourth quarter, he really showed up

1131
00:54:33,018 --> 00:54:34,218
Speaker 3: and showed out he game enough.

1132
00:54:34,218 --> 00:54:35,738
Speaker 2: And that's what you gotta do, is back up quarterback.

1133
00:54:35,818 --> 00:54:37,938
Speaker 2: Just give your team a chance. Right, nobody's expecting you

1134
00:54:37,978 --> 00:54:41,178
Speaker 2: to go out and win the game yourself, but just

1135
00:54:41,338 --> 00:54:43,058
Speaker 2: be somebody who can give your team a chance and

1136
00:54:43,138 --> 00:54:46,098
Speaker 2: keep your team in the game. And he did that.

1137
00:54:46,218 --> 00:54:49,817
Speaker 2: He certainly did that. Yep. Number two Christian Ellis, Yeah,

1138
00:54:49,858 --> 00:54:52,698
Speaker 2: christianelle Better was all over the field in this game,

1139
00:54:52,738 --> 00:54:54,938
Speaker 2: once again led the team of tackles. He had a sack.

1140
00:54:55,778 --> 00:54:59,058
Speaker 2: Just seems like he might be a find. Yeah, and

1141
00:54:59,098 --> 00:55:00,777
Speaker 2: I know that he's your I don't know that he's

1142
00:55:00,818 --> 00:55:03,698
Speaker 2: your starting middle linebacker moving forward for the next ten years,

1143
00:55:03,738 --> 00:55:06,458
Speaker 2: but could be a Matt mac wilson third down roune. Yeah,

1144
00:55:06,498 --> 00:55:08,578
Speaker 2: gives you, gives you a little athleticism at that position,

1145
00:55:08,658 --> 00:55:12,297
Speaker 2: gives you something on special teams as well. And we

1146
00:55:12,338 --> 00:55:14,058
Speaker 2: talked a lot with Bill about the middle of the

1147
00:55:14,138 --> 00:55:16,978
Speaker 2: roster guys, right, really good middle of the roster kind

1148
00:55:17,018 --> 00:55:19,538
Speaker 2: of guy where he's not going to be a superstar.

1149
00:55:19,658 --> 00:55:24,138
Speaker 2: But he'll he'll contribute and he'll sneaky when you game

1150
00:55:24,378 --> 00:55:26,618
Speaker 2: here or there, Like he had a big time performance

1151
00:55:26,938 --> 00:55:29,138
Speaker 2: on Sunday and he continues to build and it's been

1152
00:55:29,218 --> 00:55:30,337
Speaker 2: encouraging a few weeks for him.

1153
00:55:30,578 --> 00:55:32,498
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure we'll talk maybe a little bit

1154
00:55:32,538 --> 00:55:35,058
Speaker 3: about the rest in a second. But the DPI call

1155
00:55:35,138 --> 00:55:38,218
Speaker 3: to me was tough, like he's he's on a wheel

1156
00:55:38,298 --> 00:55:41,058
Speaker 3: route against the running back and Aaron Rodgers just like

1157
00:55:41,138 --> 00:55:44,658
Speaker 3: short arms the throw and the running back like acts

1158
00:55:44,698 --> 00:55:46,298
Speaker 3: like he's tried like he should, like that's.

1159
00:55:46,138 --> 00:55:49,138
Speaker 2: What your coach to do. It was an old Joe Flaccos. Yeah.

1160
00:55:49,218 --> 00:55:51,738
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was, like I don't even know the

1161
00:55:51,818 --> 00:55:53,978
Speaker 3: running back was like out of bounds like it just

1162
00:55:54,178 --> 00:55:56,377
Speaker 3: to me, it was a it was a tough call.

1163
00:55:56,778 --> 00:56:00,458
Speaker 3: My number two up it was Hunter Henry. I think

1164
00:56:00,538 --> 00:56:02,658
Speaker 3: under Henry's outstanding, Like I just think he's a.

1165
00:56:02,578 --> 00:56:04,377
Speaker 2: Really good football player. Henry.

1166
00:56:04,778 --> 00:56:07,058
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, makes a play on third down

1167
00:56:07,058 --> 00:56:10,498
Speaker 3: from Drake May early on in this game, makes the

1168
00:56:10,538 --> 00:56:13,218
Speaker 3: play to get the drive started in the two minute

1169
00:56:13,298 --> 00:56:14,218
Speaker 3: drill to win the game.

1170
00:56:14,698 --> 00:56:15,578
Speaker 2: That's a tough catch.

1171
00:56:15,698 --> 00:56:18,218
Speaker 3: You know, he's got a guy draped all over him,

1172
00:56:18,458 --> 00:56:21,098
Speaker 3: goes up, makes a tough catch to get that drive going.

1173
00:56:21,818 --> 00:56:25,218
Speaker 3: His run blocking in this game was really really good.

1174
00:56:25,498 --> 00:56:27,858
Speaker 3: He kind of saved the bacon of the Patriots on

1175
00:56:27,898 --> 00:56:28,498
Speaker 3: the game winner.

1176
00:56:28,618 --> 00:56:30,817
Speaker 2: Like not the first time he's done that either.

1177
00:56:30,938 --> 00:56:32,698
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of saved the day. Him and Michael

1178
00:56:32,738 --> 00:56:35,218
Speaker 3: Jordan saved the day. I have it right up about that.

1179
00:56:35,338 --> 00:56:38,858
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting scheme wise, but he kind of

1180
00:56:38,898 --> 00:56:41,858
Speaker 3: saved the Patriots bacon on that goal line run by

1181
00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:46,218
Speaker 3: Ramandre Stevenson. He's just an outstanding football player, Like, really

1182
00:56:46,298 --> 00:56:50,338
Speaker 3: reliable guy for the quarterback. Really good feel too, of

1183
00:56:50,418 --> 00:56:53,538
Speaker 3: like getting open off script. He's done that multiple weeks

1184
00:56:53,538 --> 00:56:56,138
Speaker 3: in a row with both quarterbacks, Like it doesn't really

1185
00:56:56,178 --> 00:56:59,138
Speaker 3: seem to matter when those guys break contain and they

1186
00:56:59,178 --> 00:57:02,058
Speaker 3: get out and outside the pocket, like it always seems

1187
00:57:02,098 --> 00:57:05,338
Speaker 3: like eighty five is somewhere in a good spot available

1188
00:57:05,378 --> 00:57:07,578
Speaker 3: to them. I just think that he's been one of

1189
00:57:07,578 --> 00:57:11,218
Speaker 3: their most consistent best football players and he deserves some love.

1190
00:57:11,498 --> 00:57:14,418
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had one more ID for Christian Zalez yeap

1191
00:57:14,698 --> 00:57:19,378
Speaker 2: opposite Devonte Adams, great receiver, didn't allow it catch. Yeah,

1192
00:57:19,458 --> 00:57:21,898
Speaker 2: I mean he was excellent. He was just right there's

1193
00:57:21,898 --> 00:57:23,258
Speaker 2: not much more to say. Like, he was right on

1194
00:57:23,298 --> 00:57:25,058
Speaker 2: his hip. He's right on him the whole game. So

1195
00:57:25,138 --> 00:57:27,338
Speaker 2: I had him as well, Gonzalez as my number three

1196
00:57:27,418 --> 00:57:30,898
Speaker 2: up twenty three routes against DeVante Adams. He did give

1197
00:57:30,978 --> 00:57:32,578
Speaker 2: up one catch for sixteen yards, but it was the

1198
00:57:32,618 --> 00:57:34,458
Speaker 2: last play of the game, so if you want to count,

1199
00:57:34,538 --> 00:57:36,378
Speaker 2: I might. I might have checked that number before the

1200
00:57:36,458 --> 00:57:39,458
Speaker 2: last playoff. Yeah, last play of the game. That was

1201
00:57:39,458 --> 00:57:41,418
Speaker 2: caught in bounds and ended the game, all right, So

1202
00:57:41,498 --> 00:57:44,138
Speaker 2: he gave up he gave up no catches a consequence, Yeah,

1203
00:57:44,178 --> 00:57:44,938
Speaker 2: exactly fine.

1204
00:57:45,058 --> 00:57:47,658
Speaker 3: I had a pass breakup on his slant and had

1205
00:57:47,658 --> 00:57:49,858
Speaker 3: the worst DPI call of all time.

1206
00:57:50,178 --> 00:57:52,818
Speaker 2: So so that call was horrible. I don't think that

1207
00:57:52,898 --> 00:57:56,458
Speaker 2: many people saw this. Two plays before on the cross

1208
00:57:56,498 --> 00:58:00,178
Speaker 2: run first down, he clearly held yeah, Devonte ad like

1209
00:58:00,178 --> 00:58:02,338
Speaker 2: you can see him get the T shirt the undershirt.

1210
00:58:02,898 --> 00:58:04,538
Speaker 2: I think that was a makeup call. A brutal call.

1211
00:58:04,658 --> 00:58:07,898
Speaker 2: Brutal call. Let me put it this way. I have

1212
00:58:07,978 --> 00:58:10,818
Speaker 2: to believe that's a makeup call because otherwise I'm not

1213
00:58:10,858 --> 00:58:12,778
Speaker 2: going to be able to live with it. Like that

1214
00:58:12,938 --> 00:58:14,298
Speaker 2: was such a brutal call, it has to be a

1215
00:58:14,338 --> 00:58:16,138
Speaker 2: makeup call. It can't be anything else because they did

1216
00:58:16,178 --> 00:58:17,658
Speaker 2: miss a clear hold. If you go back and watch

1217
00:58:17,658 --> 00:58:19,458
Speaker 2: two plays, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah,

1218
00:58:19,458 --> 00:58:22,578
Speaker 2: it's possible. But even still, makeup calls aren't supposed to

1219
00:58:22,578 --> 00:58:24,698
Speaker 2: be that egregious. I just I'm add in contact. Yeah,

1220
00:58:24,738 --> 00:58:25,778
Speaker 2: so away from the ball.

1221
00:58:26,138 --> 00:58:29,738
Speaker 3: Uh, I only counted like two or three times where

1222
00:58:29,778 --> 00:58:33,578
Speaker 3: I thought Adams was maybe open. Be Gonzalez got beat

1223
00:58:33,618 --> 00:58:36,458
Speaker 3: on one, and both of them were non consequential, like

1224
00:58:36,498 --> 00:58:38,618
Speaker 3: one of them was like a little underslant type of

1225
00:58:38,698 --> 00:58:40,778
Speaker 3: route that maybe he would have been like a eight

1226
00:58:40,898 --> 00:58:41,858
Speaker 3: or nine yard game.

1227
00:58:42,258 --> 00:58:42,418
Speaker 2: Uh.

1228
00:58:42,458 --> 00:58:45,778
Speaker 3: He was with Adams for four quarters in this game.

1229
00:58:46,178 --> 00:58:48,298
Speaker 3: They're still looking for DeVante Adams. That's what I heard.

1230
00:58:48,378 --> 00:58:51,578
Speaker 3: He is a missing person. So Christian Gonzalez number three

1231
00:58:51,658 --> 00:58:53,298
Speaker 3: up erased him from the game.

1232
00:58:53,418 --> 00:58:56,738
Speaker 2: Yep, good stuff. You got anything else, I'll throw like

1233
00:58:56,738 --> 00:59:00,378
Speaker 2: a half up. Jilani Tava had one really nice run stuff. Yep,

1234
00:59:01,938 --> 00:59:05,218
Speaker 2: it's been rough for him. I think he needed that one. Yeah,

1235
00:59:05,258 --> 00:59:06,978
Speaker 2: I think he needed to make a play. We'll see

1236
00:59:06,978 --> 00:59:09,858
Speaker 2: if if he keeps the He he had his issues

1237
00:59:09,858 --> 00:59:11,098
Speaker 2: in this game as well, but he gets like a

1238
00:59:11,138 --> 00:59:13,138
Speaker 2: one play up for me because it was it was

1239
00:59:13,218 --> 00:59:16,498
Speaker 2: in the third quarter, right, he like reads it so well,

1240
00:59:16,538 --> 00:59:19,338
Speaker 2: shoots the gap, gets in before the lineman can can

1241
00:59:19,338 --> 00:59:20,778
Speaker 2: get in the way of the hole, and just brings

1242
00:59:20,778 --> 00:59:22,658
Speaker 2: down the runner in the backfield. So he need he

1243
00:59:22,698 --> 00:59:24,258
Speaker 2: needs to be make more plays like that, But he

1244
00:59:24,298 --> 00:59:25,058
Speaker 2: made one. So I had.

1245
00:59:25,138 --> 00:59:27,218
Speaker 3: I had outside the box one too as well. Okay,

1246
00:59:27,258 --> 00:59:29,378
Speaker 3: So I had Kean White for the last three quarters

1247
00:59:29,418 --> 00:59:32,018
Speaker 3: of the game, not that, not the first quarter. All right,

1248
00:59:32,138 --> 00:59:34,258
Speaker 3: take the first quarter out last three quarters.

1249
00:59:34,338 --> 00:59:36,218
Speaker 2: I feel I did one play. You at least did

1250
00:59:36,218 --> 00:59:37,258
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. Yeah.

1251
00:59:37,298 --> 00:59:40,138
Speaker 3: So in the first quarter, I had Kean White with

1252
00:59:40,138 --> 00:59:43,338
Speaker 3: two blown edges, one blown edge just straight up and

1253
00:59:43,338 --> 00:59:46,138
Speaker 3: then one blone edge where Jeremy Rucker, the third tight

1254
00:59:46,218 --> 00:59:49,298
Speaker 3: end for the Jets, pancakes him on a run outside

1255
00:59:49,338 --> 00:59:51,258
Speaker 3: the numbers, and I was shocked. I was like, he's

1256
00:59:51,258 --> 00:59:53,218
Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty five pounds. This guy should not

1257
00:59:53,258 --> 00:59:54,378
Speaker 3: be ending up on the ground.

1258
00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:55,858
Speaker 2: Jeremy Rutgers not blocking tight end.

1259
00:59:55,938 --> 00:59:59,778
Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelievable. So he gets pancaked and I'm like, oh God,

1260
00:59:59,858 --> 01:00:02,698
Speaker 3: like here we go. Then, over the last three quarters

1261
01:00:02,698 --> 01:00:05,098
Speaker 3: of the game, I had him with two run stuffs

1262
01:00:05,098 --> 01:00:06,418
Speaker 3: and four quarterback pressures.

1263
01:00:06,418 --> 01:00:08,218
Speaker 2: In this game, and he was kind of a maniac.

1264
01:00:08,298 --> 01:00:11,378
Speaker 2: He had the one everywhere he got Rogers good. Yeah

1265
01:00:11,378 --> 01:00:13,698
Speaker 2: on one of those yeah quarterback hit on the stunt.

1266
01:00:14,098 --> 01:00:17,618
Speaker 3: So I thought he really leveled off in this game

1267
01:00:17,658 --> 01:00:20,178
Speaker 3: after a kind of a rocky start and was able

1268
01:00:20,218 --> 01:00:21,898
Speaker 3: to pull out of it. And I had some really

1269
01:00:21,938 --> 01:00:23,618
Speaker 3: good plays in this game. I talked to him about

1270
01:00:23,618 --> 01:00:26,538
Speaker 3: it yesterday and you know, look, he said, still a

1271
01:00:26,578 --> 01:00:31,018
Speaker 3: young player, and for him, he feels like he has

1272
01:00:31,058 --> 01:00:33,058
Speaker 3: to get into the game first, like kind of see

1273
01:00:33,098 --> 01:00:35,698
Speaker 3: what they're doing to me, how they're blocking me, how

1274
01:00:35,698 --> 01:00:37,978
Speaker 3: they're trying to run the ball. That day, and he

1275
01:00:38,058 --> 01:00:39,698
Speaker 3: said that, you know, he needs to start better, like

1276
01:00:39,698 --> 01:00:41,778
Speaker 3: he's still a little inconsistent and he needs to have

1277
01:00:41,858 --> 01:00:44,698
Speaker 3: better starts. But he ended well and I thought he

1278
01:00:44,738 --> 01:00:46,298
Speaker 3: was kind of a force in the second half of

1279
01:00:46,298 --> 01:00:46,698
Speaker 3: this game.

1280
01:00:46,938 --> 01:00:50,618
Speaker 2: So there you go. Moving over to the downs. Number one,

1281
01:00:50,738 --> 01:00:53,218
Speaker 2: every receiver not named Pop Douglas, Yeah, I had all receivers.

1282
01:00:53,258 --> 01:00:55,778
Speaker 2: I get Kishan Boodiet the one catch, but yeah, still

1283
01:00:55,778 --> 01:00:59,058
Speaker 2: had a couple drops. And this has been building drop rate.

1284
01:00:59,178 --> 01:01:02,018
Speaker 2: So on this show, we don't believe in using and

1285
01:01:02,098 --> 01:01:03,578
Speaker 2: I feel like I can speak for years. You've had

1286
01:01:03,578 --> 01:01:07,098
Speaker 2: this conversation. We don't believe in using individual drop numbers

1287
01:01:07,138 --> 01:01:10,658
Speaker 2: as a barometer because if you go and look generally,

1288
01:01:10,738 --> 01:01:13,658
Speaker 2: if you just look at most drops, the list looks

1289
01:01:13,778 --> 01:01:16,458
Speaker 2: very similar to most targets. Like Julie Edelman used to

1290
01:01:16,458 --> 01:01:18,498
Speaker 2: be among the league leaders and drops every year, but

1291
01:01:18,578 --> 01:01:21,978
Speaker 2: his drop rate, like percentage of targets that end up

1292
01:01:21,978 --> 01:01:24,538
Speaker 2: in drops or percentage of yeah targets that end up

1293
01:01:24,538 --> 01:01:26,938
Speaker 2: in drops, was usually bout league average, maybe a little

1294
01:01:26,938 --> 01:01:29,658
Speaker 2: bit higher about league average. Drop rate is the number

1295
01:01:29,658 --> 01:01:32,658
Speaker 2: you want to use because teams that even if a

1296
01:01:32,698 --> 01:01:34,458
Speaker 2: team throws the ball less, you get a better picture

1297
01:01:34,458 --> 01:01:37,618
Speaker 2: of it. Drop rate in the month of October by

1298
01:01:37,698 --> 01:01:41,178
Speaker 2: team in the NFL number one, the Miami Dolphins nine

1299
01:01:41,218 --> 01:01:43,938
Speaker 2: point nine. That might be quarterback play and might be

1300
01:01:44,018 --> 01:01:46,618
Speaker 2: quarterback Tyreek Hills always had a drop problem. Yeah, like sneaky.

1301
01:01:46,698 --> 01:01:48,738
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter because he's so good, but he sneaks

1302
01:01:48,738 --> 01:01:51,058
Speaker 2: had drop problem, and he also has eighty yard touchdown problem,

1303
01:01:51,138 --> 01:01:53,658
Speaker 2: right exactly, So you let it go. Uh yeah, these

1304
01:01:53,658 --> 01:01:55,938
Speaker 2: guys start catching eighty yard touchdowns every week, they can

1305
01:01:55,978 --> 01:01:58,658
Speaker 2: drop like this because the Patriots are second eight point

1306
01:01:58,818 --> 01:02:01,978
Speaker 2: seven percent. Then just to see how that number stacks up.

1307
01:02:02,018 --> 01:02:04,858
Speaker 2: The Texans were third eight point three, the Saints and

1308
01:02:04,938 --> 01:02:07,138
Speaker 2: Chargers both eight point two, and then you have a

1309
01:02:07,178 --> 01:02:08,858
Speaker 2: big drop after the top five. You go to the

1310
01:02:08,858 --> 01:02:13,338
Speaker 2: Seahawks at seven percent. Yeah. So, but a lot of

1311
01:02:13,378 --> 01:02:17,538
Speaker 2: those drops are coming on third downs, on passes past

1312
01:02:17,578 --> 01:02:20,458
Speaker 2: the sticks, both right, in some cases both just like

1313
01:02:20,538 --> 01:02:24,378
Speaker 2: high leverage drops, right, these drops aren't And I need

1314
01:02:24,418 --> 01:02:25,978
Speaker 2: to go back through I haven't done yet and like

1315
01:02:26,058 --> 01:02:28,738
Speaker 2: find the individual drops and find like the situations. But

1316
01:02:28,978 --> 01:02:32,778
Speaker 2: it's clear watching it, like, yeah, they're not just killing

1317
01:02:32,818 --> 01:02:37,418
Speaker 2: individual plays, they're killing drives and you're gonna start losing

1318
01:02:37,458 --> 01:02:40,298
Speaker 2: the trust of the quarterback. You gotta catch the ball.

1319
01:02:40,378 --> 01:02:42,818
Speaker 2: Guys getting open now, guys are getting open. Jaylen Poll

1320
01:02:42,938 --> 01:02:45,938
Speaker 2: talk about all his issues with catching the ball. Fine,

1321
01:02:46,018 --> 01:02:49,218
Speaker 2: he's been getting open. Kasehan Boody was getting open when

1322
01:02:49,218 --> 01:02:52,218
Speaker 2: he was dropping the passes. So like Kenrick Porn Kendrick Born,

1323
01:02:52,578 --> 01:02:55,818
Speaker 2: so close, so close, right, But you gotta catch football.

1324
01:02:56,058 --> 01:02:57,738
Speaker 2: You gotta catch the football, and you don't want it

1325
01:02:57,818 --> 01:03:00,178
Speaker 2: to become Catching the football is as much mental as

1326
01:03:00,218 --> 01:03:02,618
Speaker 2: it is anything else. You start thinking about having to

1327
01:03:02,658 --> 01:03:05,538
Speaker 2: catch it, you're gonna start running sloppier routes or losing

1328
01:03:05,538 --> 01:03:07,818
Speaker 2: track of where defenders are like that, catching it should

1329
01:03:07,818 --> 01:03:10,498
Speaker 2: be second nature, should be muscle memory. When you start

1330
01:03:10,538 --> 01:03:12,578
Speaker 2: dropping the ball, though, you worry about it becoming a

1331
01:03:12,578 --> 01:03:13,858
Speaker 2: mental thing and creeping into your head.

1332
01:03:13,978 --> 01:03:15,858
Speaker 3: Yes, I had them with four drops in this game.

1333
01:03:16,378 --> 01:03:18,498
Speaker 3: Just what did you count the tae kwon one as drop?

1334
01:03:18,658 --> 01:03:18,938
Speaker 2: Okay?

1335
01:03:18,978 --> 01:03:21,418
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just to be clear, I don't count every

1336
01:03:21,698 --> 01:03:24,018
Speaker 3: throw that hits a receiver in the hands a drop.

1337
01:03:24,378 --> 01:03:26,658
Speaker 2: Like I don't count the taekwon. To me, there's a

1338
01:03:26,658 --> 01:03:30,098
Speaker 2: difference between a drop and a ball you should catch. Okay,

1339
01:03:30,538 --> 01:03:33,298
Speaker 2: it's fair. If there's contact from the defender, it's not

1340
01:03:33,298 --> 01:03:36,378
Speaker 2: a drop. Yeah, because that's another variable. Yeah, that doesn't

1341
01:03:36,418 --> 01:03:38,538
Speaker 2: mean Taekwon shouldn't have caught that he could. But when

1342
01:03:38,578 --> 01:03:40,938
Speaker 2: I look at that's that's how I did. Like, I'll

1343
01:03:40,978 --> 01:03:43,098
Speaker 2: knock that play. It's a bad play by Taekwon Thornton.

1344
01:03:43,338 --> 01:03:46,298
Speaker 2: I just don't consider it. I think drop gets overused.

1345
01:03:46,378 --> 01:03:50,498
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. So I had Kaishan Boudi with two. Yeah,

1346
01:03:50,578 --> 01:03:52,458
Speaker 3: so one of them was on the in cut on

1347
01:03:52,578 --> 01:03:54,858
Speaker 3: third down, the last throw of the game for Drake

1348
01:03:55,458 --> 01:03:57,418
Speaker 3: that hit him right in the chest that he needs

1349
01:03:57,418 --> 01:04:00,738
Speaker 3: to catch yep. The other one, he was running like

1350
01:04:00,778 --> 01:04:04,258
Speaker 3: a slant against zone coverage and Jacoby thought he was

1351
01:04:04,298 --> 01:04:06,778
Speaker 3: gonna sit or settle in the zone, and he kept

1352
01:04:06,858 --> 01:04:09,338
Speaker 3: running so the ball ended up behind him. So I

1353
01:04:09,378 --> 01:04:11,258
Speaker 3: put that on the receiver. That's a drop, it's a

1354
01:04:11,258 --> 01:04:13,298
Speaker 3: bad route, whatever you want.

1355
01:04:13,098 --> 01:04:13,458
Speaker 2: To call it.

1356
01:04:13,858 --> 01:04:16,698
Speaker 3: And then I had one each for Bourn and for Taekwon,

1357
01:04:17,098 --> 01:04:19,738
Speaker 3: so Bourn also dropped, and in cut on third day.

1358
01:04:19,698 --> 01:04:21,898
Speaker 2: One had a that was a clear drop.

1359
01:04:22,098 --> 01:04:24,858
Speaker 3: Yes, And I don't think that he'll mind that I

1360
01:04:24,898 --> 01:04:26,498
Speaker 3: share this story. But when we were in the locker

1361
01:04:26,578 --> 01:04:31,458
Speaker 3: room earlier, Kendrick Bourne had like fifty pairs of receiver

1362
01:04:31,538 --> 01:04:34,338
Speaker 3: gloves in his locker and he's like going through all

1363
01:04:34,338 --> 01:04:37,058
Speaker 3: the receiver gloves and so I asked him. I was like,

1364
01:04:37,058 --> 01:04:39,858
Speaker 3: what's up with all the gloves and he was like, well,

1365
01:04:39,858 --> 01:04:42,098
Speaker 3: I can't catch, so I'm trying to find the right gloves.

1366
01:04:42,498 --> 01:04:46,618
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I get it, dude. Julian Edelman

1367
01:04:46,738 --> 01:04:49,778
Speaker 2: used to have boxes and boxes and boxes of cutters

1368
01:04:49,778 --> 01:04:50,338
Speaker 2: in his locker.

1369
01:04:50,498 --> 01:04:52,818
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're working on it, is my point, Like,

1370
01:04:52,858 --> 01:04:54,578
Speaker 3: I know that's it was kind of funny, but it

1371
01:04:54,618 --> 01:04:57,458
Speaker 3: was also I'm also just being sincere like I think

1372
01:04:57,498 --> 01:05:00,418
Speaker 3: that they know it's a problem, but that whole receiver room. Look,

1373
01:05:00,498 --> 01:05:02,618
Speaker 3: let's face it, Uh, they they got to get their

1374
01:05:02,618 --> 01:05:05,818
Speaker 3: house in order, like in always right in all ways.

1375
01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:08,178
Speaker 3: And I would also put in this category. And I

1376
01:05:08,218 --> 01:05:11,538
Speaker 3: don't need them to force feed to Mario Douglas like

1377
01:05:11,578 --> 01:05:14,258
Speaker 3: this does not need to be uh, you know, he's

1378
01:05:14,298 --> 01:05:16,458
Speaker 3: peak Randy Moss. We have to get him his ten

1379
01:05:16,538 --> 01:05:19,258
Speaker 3: targets a game, but they need to do a better

1380
01:05:19,338 --> 01:05:20,538
Speaker 3: job of getting him involved.

1381
01:05:20,658 --> 01:05:22,178
Speaker 2: I do think teams are starting to focus more on

1382
01:05:22,258 --> 01:05:22,778
Speaker 2: him in coverage.

1383
01:05:23,058 --> 01:05:25,378
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure they are, especially when they play man

1384
01:05:25,378 --> 01:05:28,058
Speaker 3: to man. Yeah, but in general, I just think that

1385
01:05:28,098 --> 01:05:31,138
Speaker 3: there's ways to get him the football. And you know,

1386
01:05:31,178 --> 01:05:34,458
Speaker 3: I look at I was watching the Lions Titans game

1387
01:05:34,578 --> 01:05:37,538
Speaker 3: obvious for obvious reasons because week coming up, and the

1388
01:05:37,578 --> 01:05:41,498
Speaker 3: way that the Lions and Ben Johnson use pre snap

1389
01:05:41,618 --> 01:05:44,858
Speaker 3: motion to get Kleif Raymond and Amhras Saint Brown off

1390
01:05:44,858 --> 01:05:47,298
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Like, I don't understand why Pop

1391
01:05:47,338 --> 01:05:50,738
Speaker 3: Douglas isn't doing that every single week, right, Like motion

1392
01:05:50,938 --> 01:05:53,618
Speaker 3: across the formation, snap the ball, let him go at

1393
01:05:53,658 --> 01:05:55,498
Speaker 3: a rolling start, and then he runs like an in

1394
01:05:55,618 --> 01:05:58,058
Speaker 3: cut or something off of it, like you can't cover that,

1395
01:05:58,338 --> 01:06:00,698
Speaker 3: like if you're in Manton man and pop Douglas is

1396
01:06:00,738 --> 01:06:02,698
Speaker 3: running full speed at you like that, and then he

1397
01:06:02,738 --> 01:06:04,538
Speaker 3: makes a move at the top of the route like

1398
01:06:04,578 --> 01:06:08,658
Speaker 3: you're not covering him, like he's gonna separate. So I

1399
01:06:08,698 --> 01:06:10,618
Speaker 3: think that there's a there's some things that they can

1400
01:06:10,658 --> 01:06:13,778
Speaker 3: do better. But the drops were an issue, and obviously

1401
01:06:14,138 --> 01:06:16,498
Speaker 3: Douglas's lack of involvement I thought was a little bit

1402
01:06:16,498 --> 01:06:18,378
Speaker 3: of an issue too in this game. All right, who's

1403
01:06:18,418 --> 01:06:18,858
Speaker 3: number two?

1404
01:06:19,018 --> 01:06:20,058
Speaker 2: Uh? Punt coverage?

1405
01:06:20,338 --> 01:06:24,738
Speaker 3: Yeah, you allow an eight Friday to put it on him?

1406
01:06:24,738 --> 01:06:27,418
Speaker 3: If it happens again, I'm talking about Jeremy Springer, the

1407
01:06:27,418 --> 01:06:30,058
Speaker 3: Patriots special teams coordinator. It's on you.

1408
01:06:30,138 --> 01:06:34,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you allow that that long you allow that

1409
01:06:34,418 --> 01:06:36,778
Speaker 2: to was in ninety six, ninety eight. I can't, I can't.

1410
01:06:36,778 --> 01:06:39,778
Speaker 2: I remember the long punt return touchdown last week. This week,

1411
01:06:39,858 --> 01:06:43,138
Speaker 2: first punt, Yeah, first punt thirteen forty two to go

1412
01:06:43,178 --> 01:06:46,058
Speaker 2: in the first quarter. Look, Gibson's a good returner, but

1413
01:06:46,178 --> 01:06:51,978
Speaker 2: forty yards multiple mistackles. Can't can't have it, period, full stop,

1414
01:06:52,378 --> 01:06:54,578
Speaker 2: can't have it. You blew that lit That's exactly what

1415
01:06:54,618 --> 01:06:56,858
Speaker 2: you blew last week. Now, I don't necessarily think this

1416
01:06:56,978 --> 01:06:59,898
Speaker 2: was a case of I think the reason behind it

1417
01:06:59,938 --> 01:07:03,498
Speaker 2: was different. Last week, the biggest issue was Joe Cardona

1418
01:07:03,658 --> 01:07:07,138
Speaker 2: over not Joe Cardona. Was Bryce Brengrat kicking his coverage. Yeah,

1419
01:07:07,458 --> 01:07:10,018
Speaker 2: this week, I thought it was a much more coverable punt.

1420
01:07:10,058 --> 01:07:13,658
Speaker 2: You had multiple guys miss tackles in there, but it

1421
01:07:13,698 --> 01:07:16,378
Speaker 2: doesn't matter like you on your p's and q's after

1422
01:07:16,378 --> 01:07:18,898
Speaker 2: giving up that return. So that was disappointing to see.

1423
01:07:18,978 --> 01:07:20,578
Speaker 2: I will say, though, to go back, I meant to

1424
01:07:20,578 --> 01:07:23,018
Speaker 2: mention this at the beginning when we talk about responding

1425
01:07:23,018 --> 01:07:25,818
Speaker 2: to the toughness element of it. Two things the defense

1426
01:07:25,858 --> 01:07:28,178
Speaker 2: did I really liked and I think were somewhat in

1427
01:07:28,218 --> 01:07:31,378
Speaker 2: response to that. So if you allow forty yard punt

1428
01:07:31,418 --> 01:07:35,058
Speaker 2: return right the Jets start and plus territory three and

1429
01:07:35,138 --> 01:07:38,578
Speaker 2: out three out by the defense, great response, excellent response,

1430
01:07:38,938 --> 01:07:41,658
Speaker 2: and then they had another one later on. They punt

1431
01:07:41,658 --> 01:07:44,098
Speaker 2: the ball back to the Jets with three and change

1432
01:07:44,098 --> 01:07:47,218
Speaker 2: to go in the third quarter, down two, and that's

1433
01:07:47,298 --> 01:07:50,578
Speaker 2: the spot last week where the Jags went on that

1434
01:07:51,338 --> 01:07:54,418
Speaker 2: eleven and a half minute drive that essentially killed the game.

1435
01:07:55,418 --> 01:07:57,698
Speaker 2: Jets get where it was thirteen fourteen, yards on first

1436
01:07:57,698 --> 01:08:01,338
Speaker 2: down run stuff incomplete, incomplete with the pressure, get the

1437
01:08:01,378 --> 01:08:04,818
Speaker 2: ball back like mentally tough, let's keep the momentum on

1438
01:08:04,818 --> 01:08:06,938
Speaker 2: our side. Drive. So I like how the defense responded

1439
01:08:07,218 --> 01:08:09,138
Speaker 2: because they get a short field right off the jump.

1440
01:08:09,538 --> 01:08:11,978
Speaker 2: Good test, but shouldn't have had it to begin with.

1441
01:08:12,298 --> 01:08:15,258
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of good complimentary football moments in this game.

1442
01:08:15,298 --> 01:08:17,937
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones has the punt return, they go five plays

1443
01:08:18,178 --> 01:08:20,938
Speaker 3: right down. Yeah, A couple of good moments like that.

1444
01:08:21,617 --> 01:08:24,338
Speaker 3: I had Marcus Jones the cornerback as my last.

1445
01:08:24,138 --> 01:08:26,058
Speaker 2: So I was gonna do Marcus Jones the return of

1446
01:08:26,058 --> 01:08:28,178
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones the corner to do. Yeah.

1447
01:08:28,218 --> 01:08:30,298
Speaker 3: So I also had the special teams in terms of

1448
01:08:30,338 --> 01:08:33,178
Speaker 3: the coverage like you did. I saw just go with

1449
01:08:33,218 --> 01:08:36,097
Speaker 3: my last one. Marcus Jones five for one thirteen against

1450
01:08:36,098 --> 01:08:36,737
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson.

1451
01:08:36,778 --> 01:08:37,378
Speaker 2: He was waldo.

1452
01:08:37,657 --> 01:08:39,817
Speaker 3: They are picking on him, they are finding them all

1453
01:08:39,818 --> 01:08:43,378
Speaker 3: the time, and there in Manton Man. Look, Garrett Wilson's

1454
01:08:43,378 --> 01:08:48,098
Speaker 3: a fantastic receiver, and Aaron Rodgers dropped some dimes.

1455
01:08:47,817 --> 01:08:50,418
Speaker 2: To get that one on the spot. Fame was as

1456
01:08:50,458 --> 01:08:51,817
Speaker 2: good of a throw as you'll see. Yeh.

1457
01:08:52,018 --> 01:08:54,497
Speaker 3: So I I think Marcus Jones had some good coverage

1458
01:08:54,497 --> 01:08:57,097
Speaker 3: in this game and was right there on a lot

1459
01:08:57,098 --> 01:09:01,057
Speaker 3: of these plays. But you consistently see with him is

1460
01:09:01,098 --> 01:09:02,937
Speaker 3: you know he's just not gonna make plays at the

1461
01:09:02,978 --> 01:09:06,738
Speaker 3: catch point right because of his size, and that becomes problematic.

1462
01:09:06,817 --> 01:09:09,418
Speaker 3: But you give up five for one thirteen, you know

1463
01:09:09,458 --> 01:09:10,617
Speaker 3: you're gonna be on the downs list.

1464
01:09:11,138 --> 01:09:13,817
Speaker 2: Uh so I have one more said, that's your last one.

1465
01:09:13,937 --> 01:09:16,458
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I'm gonna go a little outside the box here,

1466
01:09:16,458 --> 01:09:18,897
Speaker 2: but I have to do it because you know, Evan,

1467
01:09:20,378 --> 01:09:24,418
Speaker 2: how infatuated I am and how much I value. What

1468
01:09:24,418 --> 01:09:25,737
Speaker 2: are you gonna say? I don't know, but I know

1469
01:09:25,777 --> 01:09:28,777
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hate it. Situational coaching. Oh god, I knew

1470
01:09:28,777 --> 01:09:32,138
Speaker 2: I was gonna hate it. It. I'm not saying it

1471
01:09:32,178 --> 01:09:37,138
Speaker 2: lost the Jets the game. You're up five, going for

1472
01:09:37,258 --> 01:09:38,937
Speaker 2: and going for two is fine, Like we're not gonna

1473
01:09:38,978 --> 01:09:41,097
Speaker 2: do the whole go for your down five, you're up five,

1474
01:09:41,138 --> 01:09:45,537
Speaker 2: you go for two. You have two timeouts left. If

1475
01:09:45,577 --> 01:09:49,577
Speaker 2: you score, you're up seven. Even if not, you're up five. Right,

1476
01:09:49,978 --> 01:09:54,298
Speaker 2: you are leading with three minutes to go. How in

1477
01:09:54,378 --> 01:09:59,697
Speaker 2: the hell do you not call a timeout to avoid

1478
01:09:59,697 --> 01:10:02,418
Speaker 2: the delay of game and have to run your two

1479
01:10:02,458 --> 01:10:06,577
Speaker 2: point play? From the seven. That is the only reason,

1480
01:10:06,857 --> 01:10:09,737
Speaker 2: the only reason that's not the dumbest thing I saw

1481
01:10:09,777 --> 01:10:12,817
Speaker 2: in the NFL this week is because the Chicago Bears

1482
01:10:12,857 --> 01:10:17,378
Speaker 2: and Tyreek Stevenson had a generational miss in Washington. And

1483
01:10:17,418 --> 01:10:18,817
Speaker 2: I kind of want to talk a little bit about

1484
01:10:18,817 --> 01:10:20,937
Speaker 2: that because it's fun, But like, and then and then

1485
01:10:20,937 --> 01:10:22,857
Speaker 2: what do they do? All right? So and Aaron Rodgers

1486
01:10:22,897 --> 01:10:24,418
Speaker 2: said something like, well, we felt like we had a

1487
01:10:24,418 --> 01:10:27,258
Speaker 2: good play, so we didn't want to burn it. They

1488
01:10:27,258 --> 01:10:29,178
Speaker 2: come out, they run a two yard play from the

1489
01:10:29,258 --> 01:10:30,257
Speaker 2: seven yard line.

1490
01:10:30,817 --> 01:10:35,058
Speaker 3: They cover zeroed and they had a two guys unblocked

1491
01:10:35,138 --> 01:10:35,577
Speaker 3: on the line.

1492
01:10:35,617 --> 01:10:38,138
Speaker 2: And look, I get it, you Marcus jones on on

1493
01:10:38,378 --> 01:10:40,657
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, who's like a big physical guy, right, yeah,

1494
01:10:40,697 --> 01:10:43,458
Speaker 2: I get that he's not scoring from the seven. Help's

1495
01:10:43,458 --> 01:10:45,298
Speaker 2: gonna get there if they run that play from the two.

1496
01:10:45,378 --> 01:10:47,657
Speaker 2: The Jets go up seven. And then again, you don't

1497
01:10:47,697 --> 01:10:50,617
Speaker 2: need the time out. The game's going to overtime. You

1498
01:10:50,777 --> 01:10:53,297
Speaker 2: don't need either of those timeouts. You don't need them

1499
01:10:53,817 --> 01:10:57,338
Speaker 2: to not call a timeout there. Evan was mind. I

1500
01:10:57,458 --> 01:11:00,018
Speaker 2: thought they made a mistake, Like I thought the scoreboard

1501
01:11:00,018 --> 01:11:01,937
Speaker 2: maybe was wrong that they had saying they had timeouts

1502
01:11:02,018 --> 01:11:05,418
Speaker 2: left mind blowing by the New York Jets and the

1503
01:11:05,497 --> 01:11:07,937
Speaker 2: Jets for I all will say, the Jets are still

1504
01:11:07,978 --> 01:11:09,338
Speaker 2: the Jets, And that was the moment I looked at

1505
01:11:09,378 --> 01:11:11,977
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's the Jets that not calling

1506
01:11:12,018 --> 01:11:13,617
Speaker 2: a time out there my goodness.

1507
01:11:13,657 --> 01:11:15,298
Speaker 3: So just to piggyback off that, and I know we

1508
01:11:15,338 --> 01:11:17,817
Speaker 3: have callers waiting and stuff, so I apologize, but I

1509
01:11:17,897 --> 01:11:18,338
Speaker 3: just have to.

1510
01:11:18,537 --> 01:11:20,617
Speaker 2: I have to get this off my chest. I think

1511
01:11:20,657 --> 01:11:23,537
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is a joke, Like I really do. I

1512
01:11:24,218 --> 01:11:26,617
Speaker 2: see over throw under the bus for that after the

1513
01:11:26,617 --> 01:11:29,577
Speaker 2: game good, like the way he carries himself, uh, the

1514
01:11:29,657 --> 01:11:33,818
Speaker 2: way that he plays. I just think it's unbelievable.

1515
01:11:34,138 --> 01:11:37,057
Speaker 3: You are a forty year old future Hall of Fame

1516
01:11:37,138 --> 01:11:39,977
Speaker 3: quarterback and you can't get the team out of the huddle,

1517
01:11:40,497 --> 01:11:43,338
Speaker 3: Like you can't get your guys lined up, You can't

1518
01:11:43,777 --> 01:11:46,017
Speaker 3: how many delay of games or near delay of games

1519
01:11:46,018 --> 01:11:48,458
Speaker 3: that they had four in that game where they burned

1520
01:11:48,497 --> 01:11:50,138
Speaker 3: three timeouts and then they had the one at the

1521
01:11:50,178 --> 01:11:55,298
Speaker 3: end of the because they can't get lined up. Like

1522
01:11:55,378 --> 01:11:58,097
Speaker 3: that's you, dude, Like that you're the quarterback of this team,

1523
01:11:58,497 --> 01:12:01,577
Speaker 3: Like that's on you. You're a veteran quarterback in this league,

1524
01:12:01,657 --> 01:12:03,857
Speaker 3: not to mention. And he goes out there and he

1525
01:12:04,218 --> 01:12:06,497
Speaker 3: put he puts it on Todd Downing and he says

1526
01:12:06,497 --> 01:12:09,097
Speaker 3: that the play calls are coming into to the headset.

1527
01:12:09,178 --> 01:12:12,977
Speaker 3: Late dude, you wanted your guy, freaking Nathaniel Hackett to

1528
01:12:13,018 --> 01:12:16,177
Speaker 3: be the play caller who blows. And then he fired

1529
01:12:16,258 --> 01:12:19,458
Speaker 3: him and they put Todd Downing in charge because Nay

1530
01:12:19,458 --> 01:12:22,218
Speaker 3: Hackett blows. And now you can't get it along with

1531
01:12:22,258 --> 01:12:25,817
Speaker 3: this guy either. It's you, You're the problem. And just

1532
01:12:25,937 --> 01:12:28,537
Speaker 3: last thing on Aaron Rodgers, because now I'm ranting, right

1533
01:12:28,777 --> 01:12:30,937
Speaker 3: all right, The last thing I'll just say about him

1534
01:12:31,138 --> 01:12:34,258
Speaker 3: is that he needs to get his like he is

1535
01:12:34,378 --> 01:12:38,378
Speaker 3: like a perfect good stats, bad team NBA player, right

1536
01:12:38,458 --> 01:12:40,897
Speaker 3: Like it's like Paul Pierce circa two thousand.

1537
01:12:44,138 --> 01:12:46,298
Speaker 2: You're not gonna talk about Paul Peer. I want to

1538
01:12:46,378 --> 01:12:49,458
Speaker 2: be like that, you bad teams that you could have

1539
01:12:49,497 --> 01:12:50,977
Speaker 2: easily said, like James Harden.

1540
01:12:51,098 --> 01:12:54,338
Speaker 3: Okay, well, James Harden was on some good teams, was okay,

1541
01:12:54,378 --> 01:12:56,458
Speaker 3: But my point being, yeah, I'm not I'm not.

1542
01:12:56,577 --> 01:12:59,577
Speaker 2: Like any Paul Pierce. I can't believe you. I know,

1543
01:12:59,617 --> 01:13:00,857
Speaker 2: That's what I'm surprised he did it.

1544
01:13:01,258 --> 01:13:03,017
Speaker 3: He was on some bad teams and he's on like

1545
01:13:03,058 --> 01:13:08,418
Speaker 3: great Gilbert, all right, agent zero, all right, Gilbert, Like

1546
01:13:08,937 --> 01:13:12,097
Speaker 3: perfect example of that in this game for the Jets.

1547
01:13:13,178 --> 01:13:16,577
Speaker 3: I'm I mentioned the run numbers, right, the rush numbers.

1548
01:13:16,937 --> 01:13:20,937
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers like Kevin in Minnesota. Sure, whatever you want

1549
01:13:20,937 --> 01:13:23,218
Speaker 3: to use Aaron Rodgers, Paul I don't want to use

1550
01:13:23,218 --> 01:13:23,657
Speaker 3: Paul Pierce.

1551
01:13:23,657 --> 01:13:24,137
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1552
01:13:24,378 --> 01:13:27,537
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers like has to cook right. So instead of

1553
01:13:27,617 --> 01:13:30,977
Speaker 3: just the Patriots can't stop the run, we have at that.

1554
01:13:31,138 --> 01:13:33,657
Speaker 3: They couldn't stop to run last week in Jacksonville. So

1555
01:13:33,777 --> 01:13:36,097
Speaker 3: what did Trevor Lawrence do? He passed the ball twenty

1556
01:13:36,138 --> 01:13:39,097
Speaker 3: times and allowed his running back Tanks Bigsby to win

1557
01:13:39,178 --> 01:13:42,418
Speaker 3: the freaking game. Instead, Aaron Rodgers is like, let's go empty,

1558
01:13:42,697 --> 01:13:44,617
Speaker 3: like we're gonna put the Let's go empty, and let's

1559
01:13:44,697 --> 01:13:47,577
Speaker 3: let's try to get Aaron Rodgers cooking right.

1560
01:13:47,697 --> 01:13:48,537
Speaker 2: And what do they do?

1561
01:13:48,817 --> 01:13:51,378
Speaker 3: They give the lead right back to the Patriots instead

1562
01:13:51,418 --> 01:13:53,977
Speaker 3: of running the ball with Breese Hall, who's their best

1563
01:13:54,018 --> 01:13:56,737
Speaker 3: offensive player by the way I think, and just going

1564
01:13:56,777 --> 01:13:59,458
Speaker 3: down the field exactly how Jacksonville went down the field

1565
01:13:59,577 --> 01:14:02,338
Speaker 3: last week. No, no, no, Aaron Rodgers got to have

1566
01:14:02,418 --> 01:14:04,977
Speaker 3: his MVP moment and we gotta do this. I just

1567
01:14:04,978 --> 01:14:07,977
Speaker 3: think his whole act is insufferable. And he's a great

1568
01:14:08,058 --> 01:14:11,777
Speaker 3: quarterback or was a great quarterback. But I absolutely loved

1569
01:14:12,018 --> 01:14:14,218
Speaker 3: that the Patriots players after the game said that he

1570
01:14:14,258 --> 01:14:15,177
Speaker 3: can't move anymore.

1571
01:14:15,338 --> 01:14:18,977
Speaker 2: That was chef's kiss. Good for them. The guy stinks,

1572
01:14:19,178 --> 01:14:20,258
Speaker 2: thank you. End of rant.

1573
01:14:20,378 --> 01:14:23,737
Speaker 3: I just it's so frustrating to me that he does

1574
01:14:23,777 --> 01:14:28,258
Speaker 3: not own anything. He throws everybody else under the bus,

1575
01:14:28,458 --> 01:14:31,537
Speaker 3: and he makes mistake after mistake after mistake, and I'm

1576
01:14:31,537 --> 01:14:33,137
Speaker 3: so glad this is happening to the Jets.

1577
01:14:33,218 --> 01:14:35,057
Speaker 2: Did you say running back was the team's best player.

1578
01:14:35,058 --> 01:14:37,258
Speaker 2: I thinks are best offensive pot I wouldn't even go

1579
01:14:37,338 --> 01:14:38,977
Speaker 2: that for I think Adams is better. I think there's

1580
01:14:38,978 --> 01:14:42,617
Speaker 2: an argument we made for Wilson unning back. Adams isn't

1581
01:14:42,617 --> 01:14:46,497
Speaker 2: the guy he used to be anywhere, fair enough, great, excellent,

1582
01:14:46,857 --> 01:14:51,737
Speaker 2: all right, Halloween weekend has arrived, But there's nothing scary

1583
01:14:51,777 --> 01:14:54,538
Speaker 2: about Bob's discount furniture. Is dare to compare a challenge

1584
01:14:54,697 --> 01:14:58,458
Speaker 2: bypass ghoulishly high prices when you dare to compare Bob's

1585
01:14:58,537 --> 01:15:01,937
Speaker 2: high quality pieces for every room from top rated dining

1586
01:15:01,978 --> 01:15:05,777
Speaker 2: sets and relaxing, reclining sofas to bob opedic mattresses that

1587
01:15:05,857 --> 01:15:09,097
Speaker 2: cost hundreds, even thousands less than the competition. So stop

1588
01:15:09,138 --> 01:15:11,178
Speaker 2: in and see how much you can say when you

1589
01:15:11,258 --> 01:15:14,978
Speaker 2: dare to compare with Bob's discount furniture. The official furniture store.

1590
01:15:14,817 --> 01:15:18,257
Speaker 3: Of the New England, Patriots and Massachusetts is made for everyone.

1591
01:15:18,338 --> 01:15:21,137
Speaker 3: For leaf peepers, corn may strollers. I know a pretty

1592
01:15:21,138 --> 01:15:23,657
Speaker 3: famous corn may stroller recently. I don't know if you

1593
01:15:23,697 --> 01:15:27,218
Speaker 3: saw that. Regatta lovers, pumpkin pickers, and anyone else you

1594
01:15:27,218 --> 01:15:29,338
Speaker 3: can think of. Come to where there is something for

1595
01:15:29,418 --> 01:15:33,458
Speaker 3: everyone this fall Massachusetts, where everything is possible. Plan your

1596
01:15:33,497 --> 01:15:37,017
Speaker 3: trip at visit m dot com. All right, let's take

1597
01:15:37,058 --> 01:15:38,817
Speaker 3: some of these calls. If you guys are still there,

1598
01:15:39,098 --> 01:15:41,458
Speaker 3: I apologize we left you on hold of that. Tony

1599
01:15:41,577 --> 01:15:42,937
Speaker 3: is in Canada. What's up, Tony?

1600
01:15:44,338 --> 01:15:48,017
Speaker 4: Hey, guys just listening to the show. Try to make

1601
01:15:48,058 --> 01:15:53,258
Speaker 4: this quick for you. Brief comment. I like to watch

1602
01:15:53,298 --> 01:15:58,057
Speaker 4: a lot of different Patch shows. Yours is number one,

1603
01:15:58,178 --> 01:16:01,098
Speaker 4: Catch twenty two, love it, thank you, and I just

1604
01:16:01,138 --> 01:16:04,577
Speaker 4: can't give you enough about that. I second close or

1605
01:16:05,058 --> 01:16:08,217
Speaker 4: a second would be Patriots and Filter would be better

1606
01:16:08,258 --> 01:16:09,458
Speaker 4: if Alex was on it.

1607
01:16:09,378 --> 01:16:12,137
Speaker 2: But we got to get him on that during draft season.

1608
01:16:12,178 --> 01:16:13,977
Speaker 2: I did it once. I've actually been on a couple

1609
01:16:13,978 --> 01:16:14,378
Speaker 2: of times.

1610
01:16:14,418 --> 01:16:18,097
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you did it once. Yeah. Anytime Alex

1611
01:16:18,098 --> 01:16:19,497
Speaker 4: has a show, I always listened.

1612
01:16:19,258 --> 01:16:20,657
Speaker 2: To love it, appreciate it, thanks time.

1613
01:16:21,697 --> 01:16:25,097
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. You know. At the beginning of the season,

1614
01:16:26,258 --> 01:16:29,338
Speaker 4: my biggest concern was whether we have the right quarterback.

1615
01:16:29,378 --> 01:16:32,097
Speaker 4: And I'm really hesitant to say that we do right now,

1616
01:16:32,138 --> 01:16:35,097
Speaker 4: but I mean, the guys played two games and it's

1617
01:16:35,178 --> 01:16:39,257
Speaker 4: just it's completely different from when Jacobi left the field

1618
01:16:39,338 --> 01:16:43,017
Speaker 4: and May comes onto the field. So I'm really hesitant

1619
01:16:43,058 --> 01:16:46,658
Speaker 4: to say that this guy is legit, that he's franchise quarterbacks.

1620
01:16:46,737 --> 01:16:48,497
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say it, but I'm certainly thinking

1621
01:16:48,497 --> 01:16:53,017
Speaker 4: about it. My next biggest concern is whether or not

1622
01:16:53,058 --> 01:16:54,977
Speaker 4: we can put the right players around him and give

1623
01:16:55,018 --> 01:16:58,537
Speaker 4: them the right coaching. For me, that's a real concern.

1624
01:17:00,258 --> 01:17:03,577
Speaker 4: If I was Craft, and I know this might sound crazy,

1625
01:17:04,737 --> 01:17:09,017
Speaker 4: never happened, but if dayball ever became available, I would

1626
01:17:09,098 --> 01:17:12,338
Speaker 4: drop Avp in his second and take on day ball.

1627
01:17:12,577 --> 01:17:15,258
Speaker 4: And the same goes with Rabel. I would love to

1628
01:17:15,298 --> 01:17:18,017
Speaker 4: see that. I think we have some real weaknesses in

1629
01:17:18,058 --> 01:17:21,857
Speaker 4: coaching and the other thing is the in terms of

1630
01:17:22,018 --> 01:17:25,697
Speaker 4: general management. You know, those are my biggest concerns. So

1631
01:17:25,777 --> 01:17:28,777
Speaker 4: I wonder what you guys think about that and what

1632
01:17:28,857 --> 01:17:30,817
Speaker 4: you would do if you could do anything to make

1633
01:17:30,937 --> 01:17:32,937
Speaker 4: changes to the team. Thanks again, I'll listen to the

1634
01:17:33,617 --> 01:17:34,137
Speaker 4: talk guys.

1635
01:17:34,258 --> 01:17:37,058
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks Tony. Appreciate you waiting on hold for

1636
01:17:37,178 --> 01:17:39,737
Speaker 3: us too. Uh so uh To the first point about

1637
01:17:39,817 --> 01:17:41,937
Speaker 3: Drake May, I'm not ready to call him a franchise

1638
01:17:42,018 --> 01:17:44,898
Speaker 3: quarterback yet either. I think that's way premature.

1639
01:17:45,378 --> 01:17:47,017
Speaker 2: I think it takes three years to get a real

1640
01:17:47,058 --> 01:17:47,378
Speaker 2: idea of.

1641
01:17:47,338 --> 01:17:49,537
Speaker 3: Who yeah quarterback Like, even for the biggest Drake May

1642
01:17:49,577 --> 01:17:52,537
Speaker 3: guy that probably exists on this planet, I'm not ready

1643
01:17:52,577 --> 01:17:55,298
Speaker 3: to call him a franchise quarterback. At the same time,

1644
01:17:55,897 --> 01:17:58,377
Speaker 3: he has the makings of a franchise quarterback.

1645
01:17:58,418 --> 01:18:00,338
Speaker 2: You can like what you've seen so far and say

1646
01:18:00,378 --> 01:18:02,777
Speaker 2: you need to see more. Yeah, so that's that's He's

1647
01:18:02,857 --> 01:18:04,697
Speaker 2: checked all the boxes for me so far, But I'm

1648
01:18:04,697 --> 01:18:08,897
Speaker 2: not about to I to me, it's like generally about

1649
01:18:08,937 --> 01:18:11,177
Speaker 2: midway through that third year, I think is when guys

1650
01:18:11,737 --> 01:18:15,538
Speaker 2: they're playing consistently and and they're in a decent enough situation,

1651
01:18:16,018 --> 01:18:19,017
Speaker 2: that's when you really start to learn who these guys are. Yeah,

1652
01:18:19,098 --> 01:18:20,537
Speaker 2: I just got we got a little bit of time.

1653
01:18:20,617 --> 01:18:23,458
Speaker 3: I come away super impressed with pretty much everything that

1654
01:18:23,497 --> 01:18:25,378
Speaker 3: he's done. So it's hard not to say that he's

1655
01:18:25,418 --> 01:18:28,777
Speaker 3: trending in that direction. Uh, you know, physically, he obviously

1656
01:18:28,897 --> 01:18:32,097
Speaker 3: checks every single box he could possibly want, and mentally

1657
01:18:32,138 --> 01:18:33,897
Speaker 3: he's been really sharp. I think he's stayed in the

1658
01:18:33,897 --> 01:18:36,577
Speaker 3: field exceptionally well. And Alex van Pelt said that this

1659
01:18:36,657 --> 01:18:39,258
Speaker 3: morning that that is probably the part that it has

1660
01:18:39,298 --> 01:18:41,817
Speaker 3: shocked him the most is his decision making and how

1661
01:18:41,897 --> 01:18:44,017
Speaker 3: well he's read the field this early on.

1662
01:18:44,138 --> 01:18:46,218
Speaker 2: So but then the thing becomes is another box he

1663
01:18:46,218 --> 01:18:47,418
Speaker 2: has a check he won't check for a while, it

1664
01:18:47,497 --> 01:18:50,497
Speaker 2: might not be till next year. Part of decision making

1665
01:18:50,497 --> 01:18:52,977
Speaker 2: his tendencies, and those tendencies are gonna pile up, and

1666
01:18:52,978 --> 01:18:54,978
Speaker 2: they're gonna be on tape and they're gonna be in spreadsheets,

1667
01:18:55,378 --> 01:18:56,937
Speaker 2: and teams are gonna start being able to prepare for

1668
01:18:57,018 --> 01:18:58,697
Speaker 2: him better. And then what is he doing, Like that's

1669
01:18:58,697 --> 01:19:01,018
Speaker 2: a that's kind of where it's all right. I like

1670
01:19:01,018 --> 01:19:02,577
Speaker 2: what he's done. Now, let's see when teams have a

1671
01:19:02,577 --> 01:19:05,218
Speaker 2: better idea of who he is, how he adjusts Because

1672
01:19:05,258 --> 01:19:08,937
Speaker 2: that that can separate a talented quarterback from a franchise quarterback.

1673
01:19:08,978 --> 01:19:11,178
Speaker 2: By the way, I got a tweet here for Marty.

1674
01:19:12,098 --> 01:19:15,177
Speaker 2: Well done, Barth. Do not let Lazar slander Paul Pierce

1675
01:19:15,537 --> 01:19:17,857
Speaker 2: by pomping him to Aaron Rodgers that will not stand.

1676
01:19:18,138 --> 01:19:20,298
Speaker 2: The comp by the way, is actually a good one.

1677
01:19:21,058 --> 01:19:24,777
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony, that's a good one. That's as my same

1678
01:19:24,857 --> 01:19:28,097
Speaker 2: city too. Good job Martin. But not team USA, Carmelo Anthony, No,

1679
01:19:28,178 --> 01:19:32,258
Speaker 2: like not even some of those Nuggets teams had talent. Yeah,

1680
01:19:32,258 --> 01:19:35,017
Speaker 2: they went to Western at him and iversoned out talking

1681
01:19:35,018 --> 01:19:38,338
Speaker 2: about a fun team. Kenyan Martin Martin there with them. Yeah,

1682
01:19:38,338 --> 01:19:40,378
Speaker 2: all right, I like Kenny Martin, but that like NIX

1683
01:19:40,497 --> 01:19:43,258
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony when he's like him and nobody, Oh yeah,

1684
01:19:43,897 --> 01:19:47,017
Speaker 2: Washington Mari Stodemire when it was him and nobody. Like,

1685
01:19:47,138 --> 01:19:49,177
Speaker 2: that's a that's a good comp. So good good tweet,

1686
01:19:49,218 --> 01:19:50,537
Speaker 2: good tweet. Thanks Marty.

1687
01:19:50,737 --> 01:19:52,497
Speaker 3: You know what I was getting at, all right, And

1688
01:19:52,537 --> 01:19:54,937
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I you know, I'm the biggest Paul Pirice guy.

1689
01:19:55,018 --> 01:19:58,497
Speaker 3: So the fact that that came off shocked. But that

1690
01:19:58,657 --> 01:20:01,497
Speaker 3: I said good stats, bad team. I didn't say that

1691
01:20:01,537 --> 01:20:02,418
Speaker 3: he was a bad player.

1692
01:20:02,697 --> 01:20:04,817
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like throw Antoine Walker under the bus

1693
01:20:04,857 --> 01:20:07,777
Speaker 2: like that either. Oh, come on, big Antoine Walker ahead

1694
01:20:07,777 --> 01:20:10,857
Speaker 2: of you. Like if he had played ten years later,

1695
01:20:10,937 --> 01:20:14,338
Speaker 2: he would have been a stud six ' eight could

1696
01:20:14,418 --> 01:20:16,338
Speaker 2: pull up all that. Like they didn't know what to

1697
01:20:16,378 --> 01:20:17,138
Speaker 2: do with him back then.

1698
01:20:17,178 --> 01:20:18,937
Speaker 3: That's not his fault, so you know how like in

1699
01:20:19,218 --> 01:20:21,937
Speaker 3: uh youth league basketball, every want in colleg Yeah, they

1700
01:20:22,657 --> 01:20:25,218
Speaker 3: reclely sure. You could only do numbers like one through

1701
01:20:25,218 --> 01:20:27,537
Speaker 3: twelve or whatever like there were so I couldn't pick

1702
01:20:27,577 --> 01:20:29,458
Speaker 3: thirty four, so I used to be I used to

1703
01:20:29,458 --> 01:20:30,897
Speaker 3: pick eight for an one.

1704
01:20:31,138 --> 01:20:32,338
Speaker 2: I used to pick one because it was the only

1705
01:20:32,378 --> 01:20:33,458
Speaker 2: one that fit me because they went.

1706
01:20:33,378 --> 01:20:38,057
Speaker 3: Up to, he's such a nerd, you're such a little Well.

1707
01:20:37,897 --> 01:20:39,458
Speaker 2: It was one or two, but I wouldn't wear two

1708
01:20:39,458 --> 01:20:41,577
Speaker 2: because of Derek Jeter. Yeah that so it was one,

1709
01:20:41,617 --> 01:20:43,218
Speaker 2: and then I moved on a five. I don't know

1710
01:20:43,218 --> 01:20:44,297
Speaker 2: why I just liked five.

1711
01:20:44,737 --> 01:20:47,537
Speaker 3: But uh, I like all the makings of what Drake

1712
01:20:47,577 --> 01:20:49,977
Speaker 3: May is putting out there in terms of franchise quarterback

1713
01:20:49,978 --> 01:20:50,378
Speaker 3: to get.

1714
01:20:50,258 --> 01:20:51,297
Speaker 2: This back on the Royals.

1715
01:20:51,537 --> 01:20:53,817
Speaker 3: I also would say that I just continue to be

1716
01:20:53,857 --> 01:20:57,857
Speaker 3: really impressed, uh with with him. Uh, the person like

1717
01:20:57,978 --> 01:21:00,617
Speaker 3: just the mental makeup of him. I think that he

1718
01:21:00,737 --> 01:21:02,897
Speaker 3: said all the right things. I think he carries himself

1719
01:21:02,937 --> 01:21:05,537
Speaker 3: really well. He's got that swagger, like he's got that

1720
01:21:05,657 --> 01:21:09,817
Speaker 3: quarterback QB one swagger, and uh, you know, after Houston,

1721
01:21:09,897 --> 01:21:12,897
Speaker 3: after Jacksonville, it's I have to play better, right, it's

1722
01:21:12,937 --> 01:21:15,937
Speaker 3: not It's not anybody else's fault. It's not the defense's fault.

1723
01:21:15,937 --> 01:21:18,537
Speaker 3: It's not my receiver's fault. Like I threw a bad

1724
01:21:18,617 --> 01:21:22,138
Speaker 3: ball to Jalen Polk, I gave up a sack at

1725
01:21:22,138 --> 01:21:23,857
Speaker 3: the end of the game. Not that wasn't on Mike

1726
01:21:23,897 --> 01:21:25,617
Speaker 3: on Wennu, you know, like so on and so.

1727
01:21:25,577 --> 01:21:28,097
Speaker 2: Accountability, the account of sack that we were just talking

1728
01:21:28,098 --> 01:21:29,777
Speaker 2: about with Roger or the antithesis of what you were

1729
01:21:29,817 --> 01:21:33,258
Speaker 2: talking about rober clown. Yeah, exactly. So I know that

1730
01:21:33,298 --> 01:21:36,258
Speaker 2: Carmelo was ever that selfish. I don't think so. I

1731
01:21:36,258 --> 01:21:38,857
Speaker 2: mean he's six man on tm us that's true.

1732
01:21:38,978 --> 01:21:42,697
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I really been impressed with him. And

1733
01:21:43,978 --> 01:21:46,857
Speaker 3: I think your your show even said this yesterday when

1734
01:21:46,857 --> 01:21:50,617
Speaker 3: I was listening on my ride home. Patriots fans should

1735
01:21:50,617 --> 01:21:53,537
Speaker 3: be excited about Drake May. Yeah, like it's and I

1736
01:21:53,657 --> 01:21:56,697
Speaker 3: just not to rag on Mac Jones. I don't mean

1737
01:21:56,737 --> 01:21:57,178
Speaker 3: to do that.

1738
01:21:57,298 --> 01:22:00,097
Speaker 2: There's still a little Mac Jones like I don't want

1739
01:22:00,098 --> 01:22:01,697
Speaker 2: to get hurt again kind of thing going on.

1740
01:22:02,058 --> 01:22:05,298
Speaker 3: But he's a totally different player, right Like the thing

1741
01:22:05,338 --> 01:22:07,657
Speaker 3: with Mac Jones is that we were never sure if

1742
01:22:07,697 --> 01:22:09,178
Speaker 3: the physical skill set was there.

1743
01:22:09,497 --> 01:22:11,217
Speaker 2: Drake May is not going to have that issue.

1744
01:22:11,298 --> 01:22:13,298
Speaker 3: Drake May is not failing because he can't throw the

1745
01:22:13,298 --> 01:22:15,857
Speaker 3: ball far enough or hard enough for run fast enough

1746
01:22:15,937 --> 01:22:19,178
Speaker 3: or whatever. Right, It's not going to be physical attributes

1747
01:22:19,218 --> 01:22:22,097
Speaker 3: that fail Drake May. And I really like his mental

1748
01:22:22,138 --> 01:22:25,897
Speaker 3: makeup so right now I'm kind of trying to pick

1749
01:22:26,577 --> 01:22:29,058
Speaker 3: nitpick like ways that he's going to fail. And I

1750
01:22:29,058 --> 01:22:31,897
Speaker 3: think the caller was a Tony right from Canada. Uh

1751
01:22:31,978 --> 01:22:35,657
Speaker 3: he he nailed it. It's can they put the people

1752
01:22:35,657 --> 01:22:36,258
Speaker 3: around him?

1753
01:22:36,378 --> 01:22:36,577
Speaker 2: You know?

1754
01:22:36,657 --> 01:22:39,577
Speaker 3: Can they put the roster around him, the coaching around

1755
01:22:39,657 --> 01:22:41,537
Speaker 3: him to get the best out of him? And my

1756
01:22:41,617 --> 01:22:44,817
Speaker 3: biggest fear for Drake May, and I've said this on

1757
01:22:44,897 --> 01:22:47,897
Speaker 3: Unfiltered a few times, is that he ends up being

1758
01:22:48,978 --> 01:22:53,697
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence justin Herbert, you know, like these really uber talented.

1759
01:22:53,258 --> 01:22:55,777
Speaker 2: Guys in a bad situation that era just constantly in

1760
01:22:55,857 --> 01:22:58,657
Speaker 2: bad situaes well and to the callers point one last thing,

1761
01:22:58,657 --> 01:23:00,937
Speaker 2: like he mentioned Brian day Ball, and I mean that's

1762
01:23:01,218 --> 01:23:03,178
Speaker 2: everybody knows I feel about Dave if you listen to

1763
01:23:03,218 --> 01:23:05,977
Speaker 2: the show, Like that's a guy I really like. You know,

1764
01:23:06,497 --> 01:23:09,177
Speaker 2: I've said this, Alex Van Pelt one way or another

1765
01:23:09,777 --> 01:23:12,178
Speaker 2: is not here for a long time. Yeah. It's it's

1766
01:23:12,218 --> 01:23:14,338
Speaker 2: either not gonna work out and he's gonna get fired. Yeah,

1767
01:23:14,458 --> 01:23:16,137
Speaker 2: or it is gonna work out and he just developed

1768
01:23:16,178 --> 01:23:17,897
Speaker 2: a quarterback and now he becomes one of the hottest

1769
01:23:17,978 --> 01:23:21,057
Speaker 2: names in coaching. So no matter what, Like, I don't

1770
01:23:21,058 --> 01:23:24,137
Speaker 2: see a situation good or bad where Alex Van Pelt

1771
01:23:24,178 --> 01:23:26,058
Speaker 2: is here for more than what three years? Yeah, I

1772
01:23:26,098 --> 01:23:28,378
Speaker 2: still so, I still feel like Van Pel's doing his job.

1773
01:23:28,978 --> 01:23:31,378
Speaker 2: I know I think he is. But this is part

1774
01:23:31,418 --> 01:23:33,617
Speaker 2: of what went wrong with mac Jones. They didn't have

1775
01:23:33,937 --> 01:23:36,057
Speaker 2: you know, there was no succession playing for Josh McDaniels.

1776
01:23:36,098 --> 01:23:39,338
Speaker 2: So you've got to have the next guy in Brian

1777
01:23:39,378 --> 01:23:42,897
Speaker 2: Daball would be ideal, I think, especially for Drake May

1778
01:23:42,937 --> 01:23:44,418
Speaker 2: this kind of quarterback, that kind of coach.

1779
01:23:44,458 --> 01:23:46,537
Speaker 3: But like right, but the other issue, and I agree

1780
01:23:46,577 --> 01:23:50,057
Speaker 3: with you, but Dabell to me, like if Dabell comes

1781
01:23:50,098 --> 01:23:52,577
Speaker 3: in and he turns Drake may into Josh Allen and

1782
01:23:52,617 --> 01:23:55,257
Speaker 3: he's this like top five MVP candidate and the Patriots

1783
01:23:55,258 --> 01:23:57,577
Speaker 3: are a playoff team. My guess is that Dable will

1784
01:23:57,617 --> 01:24:00,258
Speaker 3: get a right not here long term, yeah either and

1785
01:24:00,338 --> 01:24:01,577
Speaker 3: but like you got to have that.

1786
01:24:02,138 --> 01:24:05,138
Speaker 2: We talked about this. I don't want to say all

1787
01:24:05,218 --> 01:24:07,418
Speaker 2: winter because they didn't have a coach for only like

1788
01:24:07,458 --> 01:24:10,537
Speaker 2: two weeks. But yeah, like this is part of what

1789
01:24:10,617 --> 01:24:12,737
Speaker 2: comes with hiring a defensive coach, whether it was Mayo,

1790
01:24:12,777 --> 01:24:16,218
Speaker 2: whether it was Rabel, whoever. Unless you're gonna hire Josh McDaniels,

1791
01:24:16,817 --> 01:24:20,338
Speaker 2: who is not getting another head coaching job, you're going

1792
01:24:20,378 --> 01:24:22,937
Speaker 2: you have to keep that pipeline stocked. You hope that

1793
01:24:23,018 --> 01:24:24,258
Speaker 2: not to have the next guy ready.

1794
01:24:24,338 --> 01:24:27,178
Speaker 3: You hope that you do it internally, right, Like you hope, Yeah,

1795
01:24:27,657 --> 01:24:29,737
Speaker 3: you hope. And look, I know it's maybe not the

1796
01:24:29,777 --> 01:24:32,697
Speaker 3: most inspired thing, and neither was Alex van Pelt. But

1797
01:24:33,138 --> 01:24:34,897
Speaker 3: if push comes to shove, if it has to be

1798
01:24:34,897 --> 01:24:37,497
Speaker 3: Ben McAdoo who's done it before and his called plays

1799
01:24:37,577 --> 01:24:40,537
Speaker 3: before and TC McCartney, the bigger hope is probably that

1800
01:24:40,617 --> 01:24:43,137
Speaker 3: TC McCartney continues to rise.

1801
01:24:43,497 --> 01:24:45,897
Speaker 2: He has the resume for it because he's coached offensive line,

1802
01:24:45,937 --> 01:24:48,418
Speaker 2: he's coached tight ends, like, he coached all these different positions.

1803
01:24:48,617 --> 01:24:51,577
Speaker 2: So to me, he is he he would in the house,

1804
01:24:51,617 --> 01:24:52,657
Speaker 2: would be the most likely guy.

1805
01:24:52,777 --> 01:24:56,137
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not yet, not right now, ways to grow,

1806
01:24:56,617 --> 01:24:57,937
Speaker 3: but two to three years from now.

1807
01:24:58,058 --> 01:25:00,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I don't think Van it's gonna be

1808
01:25:00,298 --> 01:25:02,817
Speaker 2: this thing where it's like Van Pelt. No matter what happens,

1809
01:25:03,098 --> 01:25:05,097
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be Van Pelton may grown together because

1810
01:25:05,338 --> 01:25:08,017
Speaker 2: if it goes well, somebody's gonna make Alex van Pelt

1811
01:25:08,018 --> 01:25:10,058
Speaker 2: the head coach. All right, Patty is an ag on

1812
01:25:10,178 --> 01:25:15,097
Speaker 2: what's up? Patty? J We doing good.

1813
01:25:15,258 --> 01:25:17,977
Speaker 5: So I got a couple of questions as always, all right,

1814
01:25:18,777 --> 01:25:20,977
Speaker 5: the second one might be more for Alex, but Evan,

1815
01:25:21,178 --> 01:25:22,977
Speaker 5: of course you know I'm not gonna stay Well, it's

1816
01:25:23,018 --> 01:25:26,017
Speaker 5: only for Alec. The first question that I got for

1817
01:25:26,098 --> 01:25:31,257
Speaker 5: you guys is some Wednesday, it's kJ born in Taekwon

1818
01:25:31,338 --> 01:25:35,057
Speaker 5: Thornton still on this team. I think you can possibly

1819
01:25:35,098 --> 01:25:37,977
Speaker 5: get maybe like a conditional seventh for Osborne. I don't

1820
01:25:37,978 --> 01:25:41,257
Speaker 5: think we're getting anything for Taykwon. And the second question

1821
01:25:41,497 --> 01:25:46,977
Speaker 5: is brat scenario Alex and of it. Sorry he doesn't care,

1822
01:25:47,378 --> 01:25:52,977
Speaker 5: all right, so you're able. You're able to get one.

1823
01:25:53,098 --> 01:25:55,458
Speaker 5: You're able to get these three players. And I'm going

1824
01:25:55,497 --> 01:26:00,577
Speaker 5: to give you A and B list. A is Ted McMillan,

1825
01:26:02,258 --> 01:26:05,657
Speaker 5: Garrianta YERSI and Harold Standon Jr.

1826
01:26:06,218 --> 01:26:06,617
Speaker 4: List B.

1827
01:26:08,098 --> 01:26:13,218
Speaker 5: Is Will Campbell, Trey Harris, and my the guy that's

1828
01:26:13,218 --> 01:26:16,537
Speaker 5: slowly becoming the guy I want to see him on

1829
01:26:16,697 --> 01:26:20,497
Speaker 5: this team next year, and that's Tyler Warren from Penn

1830
01:26:20,497 --> 01:26:24,178
Speaker 5: State because to me, I think he's the best tight end.

1831
01:26:24,497 --> 01:26:26,218
Speaker 5: He might be the best tight end the last two

1832
01:26:26,298 --> 01:26:29,217
Speaker 5: drafts coming out. I'll take it off there.

1833
01:26:29,058 --> 01:26:32,777
Speaker 3: And do you, thanks, Patty. I was trying to keep

1834
01:26:32,817 --> 01:26:35,857
Speaker 3: track of the names. What was the first question.

1835
01:26:35,697 --> 01:26:41,537
Speaker 2: He's had Twon Thornton on the team?

1836
01:26:41,657 --> 01:26:43,857
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I wanted to kind of use

1837
01:26:43,897 --> 01:26:45,657
Speaker 3: that as a springboard. And this is why I asked,

1838
01:26:45,657 --> 01:26:48,617
Speaker 3: because that's an important question. We haven't talked much trade deadline.

1839
01:26:48,897 --> 01:26:50,897
Speaker 3: The trade deadline is on Tuesday. We won't have a

1840
01:26:50,897 --> 01:26:53,258
Speaker 3: show between then and now. Uh So I wanted to

1841
01:26:53,258 --> 01:26:56,737
Speaker 3: talk a little trade deadline. So let's start with giving

1842
01:26:56,777 --> 01:27:03,657
Speaker 3: away players Taekwon, Thornton, kJ Osborne, Kendrick Bourne, possibly Jonathan Jones.

1843
01:27:04,058 --> 01:27:06,458
Speaker 3: His name has been in some rumors. How do you

1844
01:27:06,937 --> 01:27:09,977
Speaker 3: kind of feel about that so selling?

1845
01:27:10,218 --> 01:27:11,737
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, if we're gonna do the list

1846
01:27:11,737 --> 01:27:14,977
Speaker 2: of truly untouchable players, yeah, you might be able to

1847
01:27:15,018 --> 01:27:16,857
Speaker 2: do that on one hand, right, I'm not trade Drake May.

1848
01:27:17,058 --> 01:27:20,617
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna trade Pop, Douglas Gonzalez, ke On White,

1849
01:27:20,697 --> 01:27:27,137
Speaker 2: ke On White, Yeah, Dugger, I probably wouldn't Tryeyle Mike One. Mike, Yeah, wouldn'trade.

1850
01:27:27,138 --> 01:27:30,897
Speaker 2: You're not trading my best offense alignment. Guys. I would

1851
01:27:30,937 --> 01:27:35,697
Speaker 2: have to be strongly convinced to trade. Are some of

1852
01:27:35,737 --> 01:27:44,057
Speaker 2: those veteran leaders Jacoby Verssette Kendrick Bourne, Jonathan Jones, Devon Godshaw, Hunter,

1853
01:27:44,138 --> 01:27:47,098
Speaker 2: Henry Dedrick Wise another one I haven't seen his name.

1854
01:27:47,138 --> 01:27:47,977
Speaker 2: Those other five i've seen.

1855
01:27:48,018 --> 01:27:51,057
Speaker 3: I feel like if if you're if you're a ball knower,

1856
01:27:51,378 --> 01:27:54,617
Speaker 3: then you know that Dietrick Why is a good football player. Yeah, sorry,

1857
01:27:54,697 --> 01:27:55,537
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised.

1858
01:27:55,577 --> 01:27:57,737
Speaker 2: I just also think for coaching staff, we spent the

1859
01:27:57,737 --> 01:27:59,537
Speaker 2: whole beginning of the show talking about is the coaching

1860
01:27:59,537 --> 01:28:03,258
Speaker 2: staff's message getting through right? And they've always right. They've

1861
01:28:03,258 --> 01:28:06,378
Speaker 2: obviously had their issues with that here early on. The

1862
01:28:06,418 --> 01:28:08,857
Speaker 2: best way you can impart that messages through players, is

1863
01:28:08,857 --> 01:28:12,298
Speaker 2: through veteran leadership. So if you're worried about, you know,

1864
01:28:12,338 --> 01:28:15,138
Speaker 2: having issues building the culture from year one, moving on

1865
01:28:15,178 --> 01:28:18,057
Speaker 2: from Jacoby Versett, from Kendrick Bourn, from Jonathan Jones is

1866
01:28:18,098 --> 01:28:20,458
Speaker 2: not going to help that. Now, if somebody wants to

1867
01:28:20,497 --> 01:28:22,097
Speaker 2: get nuts and give me like a third round pick

1868
01:28:22,098 --> 01:28:26,577
Speaker 2: for Kendrick Bourne, sure, right, if you get the Mohammed

1869
01:28:26,617 --> 01:28:30,258
Speaker 2: sanw trade, great, great comp thank you. Yes, Like I'm

1870
01:28:30,258 --> 01:28:32,378
Speaker 2: not gonna say no to that. But if it's a

1871
01:28:32,497 --> 01:28:35,737
Speaker 2: sixth round pick, I actually think Kendrick Bourne's leadership at

1872
01:28:35,737 --> 01:28:37,458
Speaker 2: this point is worth more than a sixth round pick. So,

1873
01:28:37,737 --> 01:28:41,897
Speaker 2: and especially in what is this is a buyer's market,

1874
01:28:42,018 --> 01:28:46,058
Speaker 2: this is naughty seller's market. That Deontay Johnson trade is insane.

1875
01:28:46,338 --> 01:28:49,657
Speaker 2: And I actually did a mailbag on Tuesday or on Monday.

1876
01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:51,737
Speaker 2: I wrote it Monday, went out Tuesday morning. That was like,

1877
01:28:51,697 --> 01:28:54,977
Speaker 2: sure the Patriots being on Deontay Johnson and I was like, well,

1878
01:28:55,018 --> 01:28:56,577
Speaker 2: you know, he's probably gonna cost a lot. He's not

1879
01:28:56,577 --> 01:28:58,137
Speaker 2: a bad player. Had I known it was a fifth

1880
01:28:58,178 --> 01:29:01,657
Speaker 2: sixth pickswap, absolutely, if that's what receivers are going for.

1881
01:29:01,937 --> 01:29:03,937
Speaker 2: But I'm not giving up Kendrick Bourne. So if that's

1882
01:29:03,978 --> 01:29:07,378
Speaker 2: what Deantrey Johnson's worth, seventh round for Kendrick Bourne, absolutely not.

1883
01:29:07,497 --> 01:29:10,097
Speaker 2: I value his leadership more than that. And for him

1884
01:29:10,258 --> 01:29:12,857
Speaker 2: or Hunter Henry, these guys on multi year deals, they

1885
01:29:12,937 --> 01:29:14,657
Speaker 2: may actually still have a role next year. So those

1886
01:29:14,657 --> 01:29:16,298
Speaker 2: are the guys I'm not trading. I want to say

1887
01:29:16,298 --> 01:29:18,777
Speaker 2: that first before we get to the guys that I am,

1888
01:29:18,777 --> 01:29:21,537
Speaker 2: because I feel strongly about that. If you can't tell

1889
01:29:21,737 --> 01:29:23,258
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne, you know how I feel about him. I

1890
01:29:23,258 --> 01:29:25,418
Speaker 2: say this about him all the time. I could have

1891
01:29:25,737 --> 01:29:29,657
Speaker 2: prime Randy Moss, Prime trel Owns, Prime, Chad Johnson. I'm

1892
01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:31,897
Speaker 2: finding a spot of my team for Kendrick Bourne. That

1893
01:29:31,978 --> 01:29:35,497
Speaker 2: guy just brings an in it factor and in tangibles

1894
01:29:35,697 --> 01:29:37,497
Speaker 2: that I want him in the room. Same with guy

1895
01:29:37,537 --> 01:29:39,937
Speaker 2: like Hunter Henry, right, I want Jonathan Jones. I want

1896
01:29:39,937 --> 01:29:41,218
Speaker 2: those guys in the room. Yeah.

1897
01:29:41,298 --> 01:29:47,537
Speaker 3: So I I worry about trading Kendrick Bourne because he

1898
01:29:47,657 --> 01:29:49,218
Speaker 3: is and I don't mean this as a as a

1899
01:29:49,258 --> 01:29:52,218
Speaker 3: slight on the younger guys, but he is like the

1900
01:29:52,258 --> 01:29:56,138
Speaker 3: one professional in that wide receiver room right now, and

1901
01:29:56,178 --> 01:29:59,458
Speaker 3: I think if you trade him, unless, like we said,

1902
01:29:59,617 --> 01:30:02,177
Speaker 3: if you get a Mohammed's new offer for Kendrick Bourne,

1903
01:30:02,178 --> 01:30:04,057
Speaker 3: then I think you have to do it. But yeah, uh,

1904
01:30:05,098 --> 01:30:07,378
Speaker 3: trading him is going to turn that room over to

1905
01:30:07,418 --> 01:30:09,537
Speaker 3: a bunch of twenty two year old kids. It's going

1906
01:30:09,617 --> 01:30:12,938
Speaker 3: to be Pop Douglas, Kaishan Boody, Jalen Polk, Javon.

1907
01:30:12,617 --> 01:30:16,377
Speaker 2: Babs becomes the most veteran member of j Osborne.

1908
01:30:17,258 --> 01:30:20,057
Speaker 3: Yeah but still like you're you're turning the room over

1909
01:30:20,178 --> 01:30:23,338
Speaker 3: to a very very young group that has already had

1910
01:30:23,378 --> 01:30:25,298
Speaker 3: some issues with maturity.

1911
01:30:25,418 --> 01:30:28,057
Speaker 2: Let's just say exact, Yeah, no, exactly, like they there's

1912
01:30:28,098 --> 01:30:29,577
Speaker 2: a lot of control in that room right now. Yeah.

1913
01:30:29,617 --> 01:30:31,218
Speaker 2: Look a lot of that came when Kendrick Bourne was

1914
01:30:31,258 --> 01:30:32,617
Speaker 2: out and he was still around the team, but he

1915
01:30:32,657 --> 01:30:34,657
Speaker 2: wasn't playing, and it does make a difference.

1916
01:30:34,737 --> 01:30:38,338
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would have concerns about that. Look, I'm

1917
01:30:38,338 --> 01:30:39,817
Speaker 3: on the record with this and I know it's an

1918
01:30:39,937 --> 01:30:44,617
Speaker 3: unpopular opinion, but I'm not an f them picks guy.

1919
01:30:44,697 --> 01:30:47,338
Speaker 3: I'm not the Los Angeles Rams. Okay, I'm not looking

1920
01:30:47,378 --> 01:30:51,097
Speaker 3: at it that way necessarily, but i am a talent

1921
01:30:51,218 --> 01:30:54,937
Speaker 3: acquisition guy, and if I'm a team, I'm still talent

1922
01:30:55,058 --> 01:30:57,737
Speaker 3: in over talent out right, Like that's the most important

1923
01:30:57,737 --> 01:31:01,338
Speaker 3: thing to me. And what I don't understand is we

1924
01:31:01,418 --> 01:31:04,017
Speaker 3: get to this time of year and we have people.

1925
01:31:04,178 --> 01:31:06,497
Speaker 3: We had an emailer in a couple of weeks ago

1926
01:31:06,537 --> 01:31:10,458
Speaker 3: and Paul and I disagreed on this that said Kendrick

1927
01:31:10,497 --> 01:31:13,057
Speaker 3: Bourne for a sixth round pick. And I'm like, why

1928
01:31:13,058 --> 01:31:15,577
Speaker 3: am I dealing away Kendrick Born for a six round pick?

1929
01:31:15,857 --> 01:31:19,857
Speaker 3: That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And you know, Paul's

1930
01:31:19,897 --> 01:31:21,458
Speaker 3: point was that you're not going to get more than

1931
01:31:21,458 --> 01:31:23,497
Speaker 3: a six So I said, well that I'm keeping Kendrick Borne.

1932
01:31:23,537 --> 01:31:25,418
Speaker 2: He's on a multi year till it's not. We're at

1933
01:31:25,418 --> 01:31:27,937
Speaker 2: a certain point. You can't just trade guys to trade him.

1934
01:31:28,058 --> 01:31:32,017
Speaker 2: If word gets out you're trading player away without you know,

1935
01:31:32,138 --> 01:31:34,218
Speaker 2: for less than their worth. You're never gonna be able

1936
01:31:34,218 --> 01:31:36,418
Speaker 2: to negotiate because people will wait on you. The old

1937
01:31:36,497 --> 01:31:38,537
Speaker 2: old Danny Ainge, and Danny Ainge went too four in

1938
01:31:38,577 --> 01:31:40,897
Speaker 2: the other direction, pretty big Celtic showed. How about that

1939
01:31:40,937 --> 01:31:42,178
Speaker 2: game last night? That was something right.

1940
01:31:42,537 --> 01:31:44,897
Speaker 3: We'll get to that, but we have some things to

1941
01:31:44,937 --> 01:31:47,937
Speaker 3: cover first. Okay, we can't get into the Boston sports Man.

1942
01:31:48,298 --> 01:31:50,657
Speaker 2: To me, it's more about, you know, I look at

1943
01:31:50,657 --> 01:31:53,977
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thorn. I look at kJ Osbourne. You've got to

1944
01:31:54,018 --> 01:31:55,897
Speaker 2: get Jalen Polk back on the field when he's healthy.

1945
01:31:55,937 --> 01:31:57,418
Speaker 2: I know it hasn't been good, but there's a young

1946
01:31:57,458 --> 01:32:00,617
Speaker 2: player that needs to develop. Jaymon Baker needs to play Eventually.

1947
01:32:00,697 --> 01:32:03,617
Speaker 2: I'm coming around. I like, I know it hasn't been great.

1948
01:32:03,978 --> 01:32:05,697
Speaker 2: He didn't have a great start on the field. He

1949
01:32:05,737 --> 01:32:09,657
Speaker 2: had the hiccups in London that Mike Reese reported, but

1950
01:32:09,777 --> 01:32:11,617
Speaker 2: used the fourth round pick on the kid. You gotta play,

1951
01:32:11,657 --> 01:32:13,458
Speaker 2: and you gotta see what he can do, and you

1952
01:32:13,497 --> 01:32:15,937
Speaker 2: got to open up snaps and you don't want Taekwon

1953
01:32:15,978 --> 01:32:18,937
Speaker 2: Thornton kJ Osborne sitting at the back end of the

1954
01:32:18,937 --> 01:32:21,537
Speaker 2: depth chart behind guys that are, you know, going through

1955
01:32:21,537 --> 01:32:25,017
Speaker 2: their growing paints. That's just gonna create more division inside

1956
01:32:25,058 --> 01:32:28,097
Speaker 2: the room. Those two guys, I'm cool. That's more about

1957
01:32:28,258 --> 01:32:30,617
Speaker 2: you're moving them to create opportunities for other players. I'd

1958
01:32:30,617 --> 01:32:32,977
Speaker 2: look to move them. I don't know if I gave

1959
01:32:32,978 --> 01:32:35,778
Speaker 2: this take on this show. I've given it on other shows.

1960
01:32:36,138 --> 01:32:39,897
Speaker 3: That shows mixed up yeap City so Bill Belichick, Yeah,

1961
01:32:39,978 --> 01:32:41,577
Speaker 3: I mentioned in the Guards as well, So.

1962
01:32:41,577 --> 01:32:44,458
Speaker 2: I just I would play City. So I think City

1963
01:32:44,458 --> 01:32:46,577
Speaker 2: show is a good player. Yeah, but it's fine. I

1964
01:32:46,617 --> 01:32:49,258
Speaker 2: don't think they feel the same way. He's look at

1965
01:32:49,298 --> 01:32:50,338
Speaker 2: who he's been behind this here.

1966
01:32:50,458 --> 01:32:52,737
Speaker 3: I also do think that there's an element of like

1967
01:32:53,298 --> 01:32:56,178
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Ted Carris, where it's like it's the

1968
01:32:56,218 --> 01:33:00,058
Speaker 3: best five that is worshiping and that's built the most continuity,

1969
01:33:00,098 --> 01:33:01,777
Speaker 3: And like Mike on Wen who goes to the bench

1970
01:33:01,817 --> 01:33:03,817
Speaker 3: that year and he's really one of your best linemen.

1971
01:33:04,018 --> 01:33:05,817
Speaker 2: But as they little bit of that, as they were

1972
01:33:05,817 --> 01:33:07,737
Speaker 2: trying to find that best five, there didn't seem to

1973
01:33:07,777 --> 01:33:09,418
Speaker 2: be a ton of urgency to make city so a

1974
01:33:09,458 --> 01:33:11,298
Speaker 2: part of it. Yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, he

1975
01:33:11,338 --> 01:33:13,537
Speaker 2: also struggled real bad. He did, But it's like this

1976
01:33:13,577 --> 01:33:15,737
Speaker 2: is a lineman that he's a young guy. He's shown

1977
01:33:15,817 --> 01:33:18,057
Speaker 2: some promise. Yeah, in the league that is a shortage

1978
01:33:18,098 --> 01:33:20,777
Speaker 2: on lineman. He might have something like you, you probably

1979
01:33:20,777 --> 01:33:22,577
Speaker 2: get more for him than you would for like Kendrick Borne.

1980
01:33:23,298 --> 01:33:25,737
Speaker 3: I don't know what the offers are for interior linemen

1981
01:33:25,817 --> 01:33:28,378
Speaker 3: these days. They don't get traded very often because it's

1982
01:33:28,418 --> 01:33:31,018
Speaker 3: not really worth it. But if there's one position on

1983
01:33:31,058 --> 01:33:34,137
Speaker 3: the line, the Patriots low key have a logjam at guard.

1984
01:33:34,258 --> 01:33:38,418
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying Jordan Robinson City and then when

1985
01:33:38,458 --> 01:33:41,858
Speaker 3: Cole Stranger comes back too, So they have five guards

1986
01:33:42,218 --> 01:33:43,097
Speaker 3: for two spots.

1987
01:33:43,338 --> 01:33:46,057
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have too many guards. So and I just

1988
01:33:46,138 --> 01:33:47,777
Speaker 2: looking at the way they've operated, I think he's the

1989
01:33:47,817 --> 01:33:49,458
Speaker 2: odd man out. And if he's going to be the

1990
01:33:49,458 --> 01:33:51,137
Speaker 2: odd man out, and most of those guys are still

1991
01:33:51,138 --> 01:33:53,497
Speaker 2: gonna be here next year, so this is not like, oh,

1992
01:33:53,497 --> 01:33:54,977
Speaker 2: well we'll put him back in next year thing like

1993
01:33:55,018 --> 01:33:58,017
Speaker 2: they did with on Wu because Ted Carris was gone, right,

1994
01:33:58,018 --> 01:34:01,378
Speaker 2: you knew that I might look to see what I

1995
01:34:01,418 --> 01:34:04,057
Speaker 2: could get for City. So I don't love saying that. Personally,

1996
01:34:04,058 --> 01:34:05,577
Speaker 2: I think he's a good player, but just the way

1997
01:34:05,617 --> 01:34:08,018
Speaker 2: they've operated, it feels like he might be a little expendable.

1998
01:34:08,098 --> 01:34:10,298
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I think if there's one

1999
01:34:10,458 --> 01:34:14,537
Speaker 3: area of surplus, it's probably guard. Yeah, and and receiver.

2000
01:34:14,657 --> 01:34:17,257
Speaker 3: But those guys are all kind of you know whatever.

2001
01:34:17,378 --> 01:34:19,857
Speaker 2: But well, we just talked about that. You move kJ Osborne,

2002
01:34:19,937 --> 01:34:22,418
Speaker 2: you move you move Taekwon Thornton now City so is

2003
01:34:22,418 --> 01:34:24,577
Speaker 2: still under contract. That's a guy. Maybe you move in

2004
01:34:24,657 --> 01:34:26,737
Speaker 2: the off season when he's worth a little bit more.

2005
01:34:27,178 --> 01:34:29,018
Speaker 2: But you know, if somebody calls and says, like a

2006
01:34:29,018 --> 01:34:29,697
Speaker 2: fourth round.

2007
01:34:29,978 --> 01:34:33,258
Speaker 3: City on Sunday that loses their starting guard for the

2008
01:34:33,298 --> 01:34:35,178
Speaker 3: season and needs a guard.

2009
01:34:35,897 --> 01:34:37,617
Speaker 2: Fourth round pick for City, So I would do that

2010
01:34:37,697 --> 01:34:39,977
Speaker 2: whether they took them the fourth or fifth fourth. Fourth. Yeah,

2011
01:34:40,018 --> 01:34:42,617
Speaker 2: I flipped that absolutely. So Uh.

2012
01:34:42,737 --> 01:34:44,378
Speaker 3: The last thing I want to say about the deadline

2013
01:34:44,378 --> 01:34:47,378
Speaker 3: and go back to my whole philosophical approach to this

2014
01:34:47,458 --> 01:34:52,857
Speaker 3: type of stuff. I I believe the Patriots should at

2015
01:34:52,937 --> 01:34:55,298
Speaker 3: least be exploring. And I'm not I know everyone, I'll

2016
01:34:55,298 --> 01:34:58,258
Speaker 3: put a name to it. I'm not Elliot Wolf, I'm

2017
01:34:58,258 --> 01:35:00,817
Speaker 3: not on the phone. I don't know who's available, who's

2018
01:35:00,817 --> 01:35:03,778
Speaker 3: not available. I know the whispers, I know the rumors,

2019
01:35:03,817 --> 01:35:07,138
Speaker 3: but like none of us actually know. Okay, I just philosophically,

2020
01:35:07,418 --> 01:35:11,657
Speaker 3: bear with me for a second. The Patriots should be

2021
01:35:11,737 --> 01:35:15,258
Speaker 3: interested in like a Montes Sweat type of trade.

2022
01:35:15,258 --> 01:35:17,338
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a name that finish your ramp,

2023
01:35:17,378 --> 01:35:18,537
Speaker 2: but I have an name I want to ask you about.

2024
01:35:18,817 --> 01:35:22,218
Speaker 3: I just they need to add good football players to

2025
01:35:22,258 --> 01:35:24,617
Speaker 3: this team. And when I say good football players, I

2026
01:35:25,058 --> 01:35:27,418
Speaker 3: mean like guys that you would rank in the top

2027
01:35:27,458 --> 01:35:29,977
Speaker 3: ten of the roster. I don't mean the middle of

2028
01:35:30,018 --> 01:35:33,017
Speaker 3: the class guys that you see move a lot. Right

2029
01:35:33,058 --> 01:35:35,857
Speaker 3: this time of year. I'm talking about adding some real

2030
01:35:36,378 --> 01:35:39,258
Speaker 3: uh star power, a guy that you can consider part

2031
01:35:39,258 --> 01:35:42,817
Speaker 3: of your core. And I would just say with Montes Sweat,

2032
01:35:43,058 --> 01:35:44,657
Speaker 3: the Bears gave up and I know they had a

2033
01:35:44,697 --> 01:35:46,857
Speaker 3: surplus of picks, but I think you might be having

2034
01:35:47,018 --> 01:35:49,137
Speaker 3: running into that situation if you get a high draft

2035
01:35:49,178 --> 01:35:53,737
Speaker 3: pick and trade down coming up here soon. If they

2036
01:35:53,857 --> 01:35:56,617
Speaker 3: gave up a second round pick for Montes Sweat. They

2037
01:35:56,697 --> 01:36:00,017
Speaker 3: signed Montes Sweat to a monster extension, so now he's

2038
01:36:00,018 --> 01:36:02,897
Speaker 3: a Chicago Bear for the next four years. He leaves

2039
01:36:02,937 --> 01:36:05,497
Speaker 3: the Bears in sacks and quarterback pressures through eight weeks

2040
01:36:05,737 --> 01:36:09,137
Speaker 3: and they're a playoff contender. So it's worked out. It's

2041
01:36:09,178 --> 01:36:11,057
Speaker 3: worked out for the Bears with Montes if you do.

2042
01:36:11,018 --> 01:36:14,138
Speaker 2: It smart, like you know some T. Higgins is a

2043
01:36:14,178 --> 01:36:16,017
Speaker 2: name that's been out there right and people, well, you

2044
01:36:16,058 --> 01:36:17,937
Speaker 2: know they need this, they need the pick. You can't

2045
01:36:17,937 --> 01:36:20,178
Speaker 2: trade the second round. We're probably using that pick on

2046
01:36:20,218 --> 01:36:22,777
Speaker 2: a receiver. You're hoping that receiver that pick is used

2047
01:36:22,817 --> 01:36:24,617
Speaker 2: on a player that's great. Team. I wouldn't touch first

2048
01:36:24,657 --> 01:36:27,338
Speaker 2: round pick, and I'm probably not touching the second. T.

2049
01:36:27,537 --> 01:36:29,218
Speaker 3: Higgins might be the one guy would have to be

2050
01:36:29,298 --> 01:36:30,857
Speaker 3: for like a bona fide number one.

2051
01:36:30,937 --> 01:36:32,817
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the player I want to ask you about.

2052
01:36:32,857 --> 01:36:34,657
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't trade second round pick for this guy.

2053
01:36:34,697 --> 01:36:37,977
Speaker 2: And I think he exists somewhere between the top ten

2054
01:36:38,338 --> 01:36:39,977
Speaker 2: in the middle of the roster or like a top

2055
01:36:40,018 --> 01:36:43,537
Speaker 2: fifteen of the roster. Guy. How about Chase Young?

2056
01:36:45,537 --> 01:36:48,058
Speaker 3: So he every you know, the Niners tried this with

2057
01:36:48,178 --> 01:36:51,178
Speaker 3: him though, right, like they tried to buy low on

2058
01:36:51,258 --> 01:36:52,218
Speaker 3: a former first over.

2059
01:36:52,378 --> 01:36:55,537
Speaker 2: That's also the Niners who had a ton of The

2060
01:36:55,577 --> 01:36:57,938
Speaker 2: Niners are a different situation. They had a ton of expenses.

2061
01:36:58,258 --> 01:37:00,458
Speaker 2: They they knew going in he was going to be

2062
01:37:00,497 --> 01:37:02,657
Speaker 2: a rental. They didn't need the pick they gave up

2063
01:37:02,657 --> 01:37:05,258
Speaker 2: for him. If you could get so he went for

2064
01:37:05,258 --> 01:37:08,577
Speaker 2: a third last year. Yeah, and he's had a quieter year. Yeah.

2065
01:37:09,338 --> 01:37:12,258
Speaker 2: If you could trade a fourth round pick for Chase

2066
01:37:12,298 --> 01:37:15,978
Speaker 2: Young with a chance to extend him, I might do it.

2067
01:37:16,178 --> 01:37:18,458
Speaker 2: Like I was looking at years yesterday, he made the

2068
01:37:18,458 --> 01:37:20,338
Speaker 2: most sense. The other one is he's like.

2069
01:37:20,458 --> 01:37:23,258
Speaker 3: A little bit you know, not it's probably two in

2070
01:37:23,338 --> 01:37:25,497
Speaker 3: the weeds, but like he is a fourth three end

2071
01:37:25,577 --> 01:37:28,777
Speaker 3: to me and not like a true like three four

2072
01:37:28,857 --> 01:37:31,537
Speaker 3: outside linebacker. So where do you do you play? Him

2073
01:37:31,537 --> 01:37:32,777
Speaker 3: with his hand in the dirt. Do you play him

2074
01:37:32,857 --> 01:37:33,497
Speaker 3: up like it's kind.

2075
01:37:33,418 --> 01:37:35,897
Speaker 2: Of the key standing up in the NFL? Yeah, but

2076
01:37:35,937 --> 01:37:37,977
Speaker 2: it's just not really so the other guys I looked

2077
01:37:38,058 --> 01:37:40,697
Speaker 2: up both of the Bronco's edge rushers are reportedly on

2078
01:37:40,737 --> 01:37:44,378
Speaker 2: the block. Yeah. Baron Browning right, yep, he's like a

2079
01:37:44,537 --> 01:37:46,977
Speaker 2: josh u Ja screamer off the edge. Yeah, and then

2080
01:37:47,018 --> 01:37:48,617
Speaker 2: there I forget the name of the guy on the

2081
01:37:48,657 --> 01:37:53,857
Speaker 2: other side. I'll look it up. But like with Baron Browning,

2082
01:37:53,857 --> 01:37:55,417
Speaker 2: would you be interested? Uh?

2083
01:37:55,458 --> 01:37:58,458
Speaker 3: Probably not, just because and him are pretty similar and

2084
01:37:58,497 --> 01:38:01,018
Speaker 3: it wasn't really working out with Like, Browning is like

2085
01:38:01,058 --> 01:38:04,617
Speaker 3: a true situational pass rusher. He's like two and forty

2086
01:38:04,617 --> 01:38:07,737
Speaker 3: five pounds, you know, he's a true screamer off the edge.

2087
01:38:08,018 --> 01:38:11,617
Speaker 2: I just you mentioned the the Montees sweat trade. Yeah, no,

2088
01:38:11,857 --> 01:38:14,058
Speaker 2: pass rusher is definitely a place that Jonathan Cooper was

2089
01:38:14,098 --> 01:38:16,857
Speaker 2: the other one. Okay, Yeah, these guys they're not like

2090
01:38:16,937 --> 01:38:20,097
Speaker 2: it's rare for a guy like that to be available. Yeah,

2091
01:38:20,138 --> 01:38:21,897
Speaker 2: Like you're not necessarily gonna have that guy. I think

2092
01:38:21,937 --> 01:38:25,217
Speaker 2: if they make that trade, it's probably more a guy

2093
01:38:25,978 --> 01:38:30,218
Speaker 2: like Chase Young for like a fourth as opposed to

2094
01:38:30,218 --> 01:38:31,977
Speaker 2: swim for a second. But there is value because you

2095
01:38:31,978 --> 01:38:34,378
Speaker 2: avoid for agency, right, and if there's a guy you want,

2096
01:38:35,178 --> 01:38:37,617
Speaker 2: you know, again, Higgins would probably be the guy that

2097
01:38:37,657 --> 01:38:40,337
Speaker 2: would be Closecalf.

2098
01:38:40,458 --> 01:38:42,378
Speaker 3: The free agency thing is so big to me too.

2099
01:38:42,497 --> 01:38:45,057
Speaker 3: But when it comes to this, because everybody says, well,

2100
01:38:45,058 --> 01:38:47,218
Speaker 3: why don't you just wait and give up nothing and

2101
01:38:47,258 --> 01:38:49,138
Speaker 3: pay him in free agency? But the problem is is

2102
01:38:49,178 --> 01:38:51,777
Speaker 3: that now you're competing with eight to ten other teams

2103
01:38:52,098 --> 01:38:54,258
Speaker 3: and we see how that goes, right, We've seen how

2104
01:38:54,258 --> 01:38:56,418
Speaker 3: that goes the last couple of years. Uh So now

2105
01:38:56,458 --> 01:38:59,218
Speaker 3: you're running into a situation where you're probably gonna have

2106
01:38:59,218 --> 01:39:03,178
Speaker 3: to overpay the player even more Taxachusetts hello, right, and

2107
01:39:03,258 --> 01:39:05,817
Speaker 3: all that's whole, that whole thing like it's Calvin Ridley

2108
01:39:05,857 --> 01:39:08,857
Speaker 3: all over again. So that's the problem with gating until

2109
01:39:08,857 --> 01:39:10,937
Speaker 3: free agency is you might not get the guy, yeah,

2110
01:39:11,018 --> 01:39:12,777
Speaker 3: you know, and so that and now you're left with nothing.

2111
01:39:12,777 --> 01:39:15,218
Speaker 2: But the thing about these level of players is, you know,

2112
01:39:15,537 --> 01:39:16,777
Speaker 2: some teams are going to wait till the end of

2113
01:39:16,777 --> 01:39:18,298
Speaker 2: the year because they want to see if they can

2114
01:39:18,338 --> 01:39:21,057
Speaker 2: get something done. So it's just it was a unique

2115
01:39:21,338 --> 01:39:23,577
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it. It was a unique situation.

2116
01:39:23,298 --> 01:39:26,737
Speaker 3: It's a very unique situation. I just I still come

2117
01:39:26,777 --> 01:39:29,537
Speaker 3: back to this team isn't tanking.

2118
01:39:30,058 --> 01:39:32,017
Speaker 2: Okay, they should not have a fire sale.

2119
01:39:31,857 --> 01:39:33,937
Speaker 3: So they're not and they shouldn't have a fire sale,

2120
01:39:33,937 --> 01:39:36,977
Speaker 3: and they shouldn't be worried about adding talent because it's

2121
01:39:36,978 --> 01:39:39,937
Speaker 3: gonna make them better this year. This team's not tanking.

2122
01:39:39,978 --> 01:39:42,298
Speaker 3: So if you're not tanking, you're adding talent. That's the

2123
01:39:42,338 --> 01:39:44,577
Speaker 3: way that you should look at it. And if that

2124
01:39:44,737 --> 01:39:47,418
Speaker 3: means trading one of your you know, not not touching

2125
01:39:47,458 --> 01:39:49,178
Speaker 3: the first round picky. It would have to take a

2126
01:39:49,178 --> 01:39:51,458
Speaker 3: special player to touch the second round pick. But if

2127
01:39:51,458 --> 01:39:54,298
Speaker 3: that means trading away like the Matthew Judah third round

2128
01:39:54,378 --> 01:39:56,458
Speaker 3: pick for a good football player, I'm doing it.

2129
01:39:56,577 --> 01:39:59,897
Speaker 2: Especially again, like I said, it's a buyer's market right now,

2130
01:40:00,138 --> 01:40:02,098
Speaker 2: Like guys are going for less than I thought that

2131
01:40:02,178 --> 01:40:04,338
Speaker 2: josh U j return was nuts, and I still think

2132
01:40:04,378 --> 01:40:08,378
Speaker 2: it's probably low. But when you see what Deontay Johnson

2133
01:40:08,378 --> 01:40:10,617
Speaker 2: went for and some of these other trades, what Cam

2134
01:40:10,697 --> 01:40:13,298
Speaker 2: Robinson went for, right, and I'm anither one that I

2135
01:40:13,338 --> 01:40:14,937
Speaker 2: would kind of I would have been in on that.

2136
01:40:15,018 --> 01:40:16,577
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think teams are gonna move tackles.

2137
01:40:16,577 --> 01:40:19,497
Speaker 2: I would have been in on that, but it's you

2138
01:40:19,537 --> 01:40:20,937
Speaker 2: want to be the team that's buying right now, Like

2139
01:40:20,937 --> 01:40:22,937
Speaker 2: these guys are going for so much less than they're worth.

2140
01:40:22,978 --> 01:40:25,218
Speaker 2: Everybody is, So if you get a chance to get

2141
01:40:25,218 --> 01:40:27,617
Speaker 2: a player for cheap, you know you might as well

2142
01:40:27,657 --> 01:40:29,857
Speaker 2: you do it now. You strike now. You do want

2143
01:40:29,897 --> 01:40:31,338
Speaker 2: to be content in a year or two and he

2144
01:40:31,418 --> 01:40:32,378
Speaker 2: can be here, right.

2145
01:40:32,497 --> 01:40:35,178
Speaker 3: So we were talking about players that are hitting their

2146
01:40:35,218 --> 01:40:38,497
Speaker 3: second contractor on the younger side of the third contract,

2147
01:40:39,298 --> 01:40:41,657
Speaker 3: that are gonna be core players for you moving forward,

2148
01:40:41,937 --> 01:40:43,937
Speaker 3: that you're planning on being here for the next three

2149
01:40:43,978 --> 01:40:46,617
Speaker 3: to four years to be around Drake may in this

2150
01:40:46,657 --> 01:40:50,177
Speaker 3: whole operation. And I just don't understand, like why wait,

2151
01:40:50,298 --> 01:40:53,537
Speaker 3: Like what's why wait until the offseason to start making

2152
01:40:53,577 --> 01:40:55,537
Speaker 3: moves to make this roster better? Why not make it

2153
01:40:55,537 --> 01:40:58,097
Speaker 3: better now? And let's face it, if they go out

2154
01:40:58,098 --> 01:41:01,138
Speaker 3: there and they trade even let's say T Higgins, Like

2155
01:41:01,378 --> 01:41:03,697
Speaker 3: I don't think T Higgins is gonna make is going

2156
01:41:03,777 --> 01:41:06,338
Speaker 3: to add four wins to this football team. Maybe he

2157
01:41:06,378 --> 01:41:08,178
Speaker 3: adds a winn or two down the stretch to this

2158
01:41:08,218 --> 01:41:10,857
Speaker 3: football team, but they're not all of a sudden going

2159
01:41:10,857 --> 01:41:13,338
Speaker 3: from like losing out on a on a top five

2160
01:41:13,418 --> 01:41:16,138
Speaker 3: pick to now picking sixteenth because they got Tea.

2161
01:41:16,298 --> 01:41:18,018
Speaker 2: Winning a couple of games down the stretch wouldn't be

2162
01:41:18,058 --> 01:41:19,418
Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world for this team. Yeah,

2163
01:41:19,617 --> 01:41:22,098
Speaker 2: that's just plain and simple. Wouldn't be the worst thing

2164
01:41:22,098 --> 01:41:22,857
Speaker 2: in the world for this team.

2165
01:41:22,897 --> 01:41:24,697
Speaker 3: All right, let's take Nate's call and then we have

2166
01:41:24,737 --> 01:41:27,177
Speaker 3: some emails here as well. Nay that trash Chicago.

2167
01:41:27,298 --> 01:41:27,737
Speaker 2: What's up?

2168
01:41:29,098 --> 01:41:29,617
Speaker 5: What guys?

2169
01:41:29,617 --> 01:41:30,097
Speaker 4: How you doing?

2170
01:41:32,178 --> 01:41:34,378
Speaker 5: I want to throw another trade name at you.

2171
01:41:34,418 --> 01:41:34,937
Speaker 4: Guys is here.

2172
01:41:34,978 --> 01:41:36,777
Speaker 5: What do you think about it? And if you think

2173
01:41:36,777 --> 01:41:38,617
Speaker 5: it would be a possibility, what do you.

2174
01:41:38,617 --> 01:41:41,898
Speaker 4: Think we could get Christian Watson from the Packers?

2175
01:41:41,937 --> 01:41:42,777
Speaker 5: And I'll take it off there.

2176
01:41:42,857 --> 01:41:43,658
Speaker 4: Thanks guys.

2177
01:41:43,937 --> 01:41:47,577
Speaker 2: It's a good one. The Packers moving Christian Watson? So

2178
01:41:47,617 --> 01:41:50,737
Speaker 2: the Packers are they had all those others?

2179
01:41:50,737 --> 01:41:53,217
Speaker 3: I would say that the Packers, we're gonna move anybody.

2180
01:41:53,298 --> 01:41:56,177
Speaker 3: Maybe Romeo Dobbs, who was the receiver that was upset.

2181
01:41:56,338 --> 01:41:59,378
Speaker 3: He had the one game suspension. I don't remember exactly

2182
01:41:59,418 --> 01:41:59,897
Speaker 3: what it was for.

2183
01:41:59,978 --> 01:42:02,338
Speaker 2: Did they have another guy that was upset too? I

2184
01:42:02,338 --> 01:42:03,577
Speaker 2: don't think so. I think.

2185
01:42:04,937 --> 01:42:08,857
Speaker 3: Because the Packers have four really solid receivers, they they're

2186
01:42:08,897 --> 01:42:09,898
Speaker 3: doing it by committee.

2187
01:42:10,218 --> 01:42:12,857
Speaker 2: Watson, Tavian Wicks have a thing. I don't think so.

2188
01:42:13,178 --> 01:42:16,777
Speaker 2: I thought he's kind of like a Kendrick Bourne. Ye. No,

2189
01:42:16,937 --> 01:42:17,977
Speaker 2: he's like their best player.

2190
01:42:18,617 --> 01:42:24,178
Speaker 3: And now you know so, Watson, Dobbs, Reid Wicks is

2191
01:42:24,218 --> 01:42:27,817
Speaker 3: like a really solid four foursome for the Packers right now.

2192
01:42:28,338 --> 01:42:30,697
Speaker 3: Is there a possibility that one of those guys is

2193
01:42:30,777 --> 01:42:34,258
Speaker 3: like a trade candidate? I suppose Dobbs is the one

2194
01:42:34,258 --> 01:42:36,658
Speaker 3: that had the suspension. It was a one game suspension

2195
01:42:36,697 --> 01:42:39,857
Speaker 3: for like violating team rules. I don't know the details

2196
01:42:39,857 --> 01:42:41,657
Speaker 3: of what exactly he did, but.

2197
01:42:41,617 --> 01:42:44,257
Speaker 2: I just have his Wikipedia up after reportedly staying away

2198
01:42:45,258 --> 01:42:48,137
Speaker 2: from two days of practice due to frustration overlack involvement

2199
01:42:48,138 --> 01:42:48,857
Speaker 2: in the passing game.

2200
01:42:49,018 --> 01:42:51,458
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe he's a guy who's really a really

2201
01:42:51,537 --> 01:42:54,378
Speaker 3: talented player, true outside X receiver.

2202
01:42:54,697 --> 01:42:57,617
Speaker 2: And they liked him that year. I mean they Bill's

2203
01:42:57,657 --> 01:42:59,178
Speaker 2: not here and he was running the draft board. But

2204
01:42:59,178 --> 01:43:01,697
Speaker 2: there's still some carryover him. Yeah, and that grow right, Yeah,

2205
01:43:01,697 --> 01:43:03,298
Speaker 2: and he can get down the field and make big

2206
01:43:03,298 --> 01:43:07,378
Speaker 2: plays down the field. Liked that. An interesting player. Watson's got.

2207
01:43:07,458 --> 01:43:09,897
Speaker 2: Did he sign an extension yet? He's got to be

2208
01:43:09,937 --> 01:43:12,697
Speaker 2: coming up if he didn't, well, because he's the Cole

2209
01:43:12,777 --> 01:43:16,258
Speaker 2: Strange here. Yeah, so he does not look like he did.

2210
01:43:16,418 --> 01:43:17,617
Speaker 2: He's a pre agent.

2211
01:43:17,657 --> 01:43:19,857
Speaker 3: He's a free agent in twenty six, so he's still

2212
01:43:19,897 --> 01:43:22,097
Speaker 3: got two more years on his contract, including this year.

2213
01:43:22,857 --> 01:43:25,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year, next year. So this offseas so he'd

2214
01:43:25,378 --> 01:43:26,818
Speaker 2: be a guy you look at this offseason.

2215
01:43:26,937 --> 01:43:29,697
Speaker 3: It's not a bad call. It's maybe a little bit

2216
01:43:29,697 --> 01:43:31,097
Speaker 3: premature right now out because I think.

2217
01:43:30,978 --> 01:43:33,218
Speaker 2: The Packers deadline's probably too early. They're a good team,

2218
01:43:33,258 --> 01:43:34,937
Speaker 2: but the Packers are going for put him in the

2219
01:43:34,937 --> 01:43:37,777
Speaker 2: bucket with DK Metcalf and T Higgins and the road. Yeah.

2220
01:43:37,777 --> 01:43:40,577
Speaker 3: The only issue with Christian Watson is the soft tissue injuries,

2221
01:43:40,577 --> 01:43:43,338
Speaker 3: Like he he'll have a random like ham strings and

2222
01:43:43,378 --> 01:43:46,097
Speaker 3: things like that, groins like just pop up out of nowhere.

2223
01:43:46,338 --> 01:43:48,857
Speaker 2: I put him on the injury report. But he's a really,

2224
01:43:48,857 --> 01:43:52,777
Speaker 2: really good player and they need speed. Yeah, speed kills.

2225
01:43:52,817 --> 01:43:54,777
Speaker 2: All right, A couple of email questions. We're not gonna

2226
01:43:54,777 --> 01:43:55,497
Speaker 2: do Patty's drafting.

2227
01:43:55,537 --> 01:43:58,378
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was Patty's drafting? I actually recognize most

2228
01:43:58,418 --> 01:44:00,898
Speaker 3: of the players too, So Ted McMillan, Yeah.

2229
01:44:00,978 --> 01:44:04,897
Speaker 2: You haven't watched ursery yet? Have you got Minnesota? And

2230
01:44:04,897 --> 01:44:07,177
Speaker 2: and is it Noah Fan and the tight end from

2231
01:44:07,258 --> 01:44:08,977
Speaker 2: no I'm thinking of no A Fan, the tight end

2232
01:44:09,018 --> 01:44:11,378
Speaker 2: at Bowling Green. Somebody was probably Patty Yeah, called about

2233
01:44:11,458 --> 01:44:15,937
Speaker 2: him last week, Harold Fannin and then Will Campbell, Trey Harris,

2234
01:44:16,018 --> 01:44:20,097
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren. So so okay, not sure about tight ends,

2235
01:44:20,098 --> 01:44:21,897
Speaker 2: but right he really wants a tight end apparently in

2236
01:44:21,937 --> 01:44:24,378
Speaker 2: the I get it. You want the developmental guy behind

2237
01:44:24,378 --> 01:44:28,017
Speaker 2: Henry and honestly, Tyler Warren Trey Harris. You I don't

2238
01:44:28,018 --> 01:44:29,937
Speaker 2: know if he was, if that meant in order, but

2239
01:44:30,098 --> 01:44:32,458
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren might go in the draft before Trey Harris.

2240
01:44:32,537 --> 01:44:35,097
Speaker 2: Did I have talked to you about Trey Harris. Trey

2241
01:44:35,178 --> 01:44:38,257
Speaker 2: Harris at the Colorado State receiver. No, that's Tory Horton.

2242
01:44:38,338 --> 01:44:42,458
Speaker 2: I like it. It's same initials. Yeah, he's actually not

2243
01:44:42,537 --> 01:44:45,017
Speaker 2: quite as fast, a little similar to Christian Watson. Trey

2244
01:44:45,058 --> 01:44:48,097
Speaker 2: Harris is the guy at Ole miss who is setting

2245
01:44:48,098 --> 01:44:50,777
Speaker 2: all those records. So I'll just give you from Draft

2246
01:44:50,777 --> 01:44:52,497
Speaker 2: Network his pros and cons. You tell me who. This

2247
01:44:52,537 --> 01:44:58,138
Speaker 2: sounds like strength, catch radius, length, dominant with contested catches, alignment,

2248
01:44:58,218 --> 01:45:02,777
Speaker 2: versatile red zone threat concerns, ability to separate rat running,

2249
01:45:02,897 --> 01:45:06,657
Speaker 2: vertical speed, kill Harry a little bit of souped up

2250
01:45:06,697 --> 01:45:10,418
Speaker 2: to kill Harry, but so sign him up. That's so

2251
01:45:10,537 --> 01:45:13,297
Speaker 2: basically exactly what we want. Will Campbell and Trey Harris

2252
01:45:13,418 --> 01:45:18,057
Speaker 2: or Teed McMillan. Would you rather have the apex X

2253
01:45:18,138 --> 01:45:21,537
Speaker 2: you're familiar with McMillan, right, and the athletic a little

2254
01:45:21,617 --> 01:45:27,617
Speaker 2: more project y tackle or the you know, ideal prototype

2255
01:45:27,737 --> 01:45:32,657
Speaker 2: ready to go tackle and Trey Harris. So I'm coming.

2256
01:45:32,978 --> 01:45:35,937
Speaker 3: I've been trying to be consistent with my take on

2257
01:45:35,978 --> 01:45:38,298
Speaker 3: this because I want it for once with the draft,

2258
01:45:38,298 --> 01:45:40,857
Speaker 3: be consistent. I was pretty consistent wanting Drake, but we're

2259
01:45:40,978 --> 01:45:43,497
Speaker 3: very consistent wanting Yeah. But in general, I want to

2260
01:45:43,497 --> 01:45:45,937
Speaker 3: be consistent. And I've been a tackle guy like I've

2261
01:45:45,937 --> 01:45:49,298
Speaker 3: been tackle tackle, tackle, tackle, mainly because when we talk

2262
01:45:49,338 --> 01:45:52,017
Speaker 3: about this every week, I feel like we've talked about

2263
01:45:52,018 --> 01:45:54,338
Speaker 3: it every year and they just keep kicking the can

2264
01:45:54,418 --> 01:45:56,458
Speaker 3: down the road and eventually you're gonna have to take

2265
01:45:56,458 --> 01:45:58,257
Speaker 3: the swing, like you're gonna have to take a tackle

2266
01:45:58,298 --> 01:46:00,617
Speaker 3: early in the draft and hope that he's the answer.

2267
01:46:00,897 --> 01:46:02,737
Speaker 3: So to keep kicking the can down the road is

2268
01:46:03,058 --> 01:46:04,138
Speaker 3: a little bit frustrating.

2269
01:46:04,577 --> 01:46:05,418
Speaker 2: With that being.

2270
01:46:05,258 --> 01:46:09,097
Speaker 3: Said, I'm impressed with Tetmanmillan like, I think he can

2271
01:46:09,178 --> 01:46:11,338
Speaker 3: really play. The one thing that I would say that

2272
01:46:11,458 --> 01:46:13,378
Speaker 3: is a little bit concerning with him is that he's

2273
01:46:13,378 --> 01:46:15,737
Speaker 3: a little inconsistent, Like he has these big games and

2274
01:46:15,737 --> 01:46:16,378
Speaker 3: then he has.

2275
01:46:16,218 --> 01:46:18,857
Speaker 2: Games where he's not he disappears at the time. Yes, yeah,

2276
01:46:18,897 --> 01:46:21,697
Speaker 2: but oh, I'll say this that Arizona team around him

2277
01:46:21,777 --> 01:46:23,017
Speaker 2: is yeah cool. Right.

2278
01:46:23,058 --> 01:46:25,577
Speaker 3: So when I watch him in January and I started

2279
01:46:25,617 --> 01:46:27,378
Speaker 3: to study the film, like, my guess is that it's

2280
01:46:27,458 --> 01:46:30,338
Speaker 3: quarterback play, line play, and he's getting open every game.

2281
01:46:30,577 --> 01:46:33,378
Speaker 2: Fafina is actually not bad. So there's an interesting thing there.

2282
01:46:33,378 --> 01:46:36,217
Speaker 2: I think I've told you this, But so Noah Fafiita

2283
01:46:36,298 --> 01:46:38,977
Speaker 2: is the quarterback in Arizona. Him and McMillan went to

2284
01:46:39,018 --> 01:46:41,777
Speaker 2: high school together and they're the same year. So there's

2285
01:46:41,777 --> 01:46:44,497
Speaker 2: some stuff they do that's like high level chemistry stuff.

2286
01:46:44,817 --> 01:46:47,017
Speaker 2: The people who don't like McMillan, this is, I bet

2287
01:46:47,058 --> 01:46:48,777
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a talking point. Well what does it

2288
01:46:48,817 --> 01:46:50,537
Speaker 2: look like when he has a quarterback he hasn't played

2289
01:46:50,537 --> 01:46:54,137
Speaker 2: with for eight years? Like, get ready for that one.

2290
01:46:54,338 --> 01:46:56,298
Speaker 2: So you need to watch you need to watch Ursery

2291
01:46:56,378 --> 01:46:58,537
Speaker 2: because again, you have a better eye for this stuff

2292
01:46:58,537 --> 01:47:04,017
Speaker 2: than I do. Camberl and Banks haven't had amazing years.

2293
01:47:04,458 --> 01:47:09,337
Speaker 2: They've been good. Banks struggle against Georgia, particularly against Michael Williams,

2294
01:47:09,338 --> 01:47:11,378
Speaker 2: who might be a top ten pick in his own right,

2295
01:47:12,817 --> 01:47:15,657
Speaker 2: and Ursery's kind of just been there. And I think

2296
01:47:15,937 --> 01:47:18,897
Speaker 2: it's there's gonna be some people that will tell you.

2297
01:47:18,937 --> 01:47:21,338
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm talking about this more vaguely is

2298
01:47:21,338 --> 01:47:22,857
Speaker 2: because there's still a lot of football left to play

2299
01:47:22,857 --> 01:47:26,218
Speaker 2: and we gotta go through the Senior Bowl. Ursery might

2300
01:47:26,697 --> 01:47:31,298
Speaker 2: he's not Campbell and Banks, like if their tier one, Yeah,

2301
01:47:31,857 --> 01:47:34,777
Speaker 2: it's not polished, he might be one a like he

2302
01:47:34,937 --> 01:47:37,138
Speaker 2: might not be Tier two? Do you get what I'm

2303
01:47:37,138 --> 01:47:42,857
Speaker 2: saying there? And it's if you can like that type

2304
01:47:42,857 --> 01:47:47,098
Speaker 2: of even even what Fashanu was to to Joel like,

2305
01:47:47,138 --> 01:47:50,097
Speaker 2: he's not yo' all, but it's Ted McMillan is clearly

2306
01:47:50,857 --> 01:47:54,418
Speaker 2: Tier one receiver. I don't think depending on what you

2307
01:47:54,458 --> 01:47:58,378
Speaker 2: want to do with with with with Travis Hunter, there's

2308
01:47:58,418 --> 01:48:01,737
Speaker 2: no one a receiver like there's a clear drop off.

2309
01:48:01,777 --> 01:48:04,497
Speaker 2: I like Isaiah bond Bouka is fine. He's not my

2310
01:48:04,537 --> 01:48:06,217
Speaker 2: cup of tea, but I get why people like him.

2311
01:48:06,737 --> 01:48:10,817
Speaker 2: There's a clear drop there, and it's do you get

2312
01:48:10,897 --> 01:48:14,218
Speaker 2: a Tier one and a Tier two player tier one

2313
01:48:14,298 --> 01:48:17,817
Speaker 2: being your biggest need, or do you skim a little

2314
01:48:17,817 --> 01:48:19,258
Speaker 2: bit on the biggest need, which is what you're saying

2315
01:48:19,258 --> 01:48:20,697
Speaker 2: you can't do, but you get Tier one and Tier

2316
01:48:20,737 --> 01:48:22,298
Speaker 2: one A What this is all gonna come down is

2317
01:48:22,338 --> 01:48:25,777
Speaker 2: what people think is and that's right.

2318
01:48:25,817 --> 01:48:27,977
Speaker 3: But I think the concern then, just like listening to

2319
01:48:28,018 --> 01:48:30,857
Speaker 3: you talk about it, is if er is can considered

2320
01:48:30,937 --> 01:48:33,657
Speaker 3: to be that good, then he's gonna go high, like

2321
01:48:33,737 --> 01:48:37,458
Speaker 3: tackles fly off the board. Well that's like if he

2322
01:48:37,537 --> 01:48:40,098
Speaker 3: ends up being if he ends up rising in the

2323
01:48:40,178 --> 01:48:42,418
Speaker 3: draft process, then now you're talking about getting not and

2324
01:48:42,537 --> 01:48:44,098
Speaker 3: you know you're not getting attacked.

2325
01:48:43,777 --> 01:48:45,418
Speaker 2: So you know, and this is where we'll get into

2326
01:48:45,458 --> 01:48:48,178
Speaker 2: the really weird machinations of it. The two guys we

2327
01:48:48,258 --> 01:48:49,977
Speaker 2: haven't talked about because I don't think either of us

2328
01:48:50,058 --> 01:48:52,338
Speaker 2: have an interest in them drafting a right tackle are

2329
01:48:52,418 --> 01:48:55,298
Speaker 2: Emery Jones and Cameron Williams, who are the right tackles. Ironically,

2330
01:48:55,418 --> 01:49:00,057
Speaker 2: LSU in Texas game, you're gonna watch them. He had

2331
01:49:00,058 --> 01:49:01,577
Speaker 2: a rough game, but for the most part those two

2332
01:49:01,577 --> 01:49:04,497
Speaker 2: guys have been really good. Do you get teams that

2333
01:49:04,657 --> 01:49:07,617
Speaker 2: either just want to right tackle or are you gonna

2334
01:49:07,617 --> 01:49:09,617
Speaker 2: get teams that that see how good those guys are

2335
01:49:09,657 --> 01:49:11,577
Speaker 2: and maybe think they can move right to left, and

2336
01:49:11,617 --> 01:49:14,258
Speaker 2: maybe that pushes Ursery down the board because those two

2337
01:49:14,258 --> 01:49:17,057
Speaker 2: guys are objectively better prospects, but the positional values not

2338
01:49:17,058 --> 01:49:17,378
Speaker 2: the same.

2339
01:49:17,458 --> 01:49:19,017
Speaker 3: I know that it drives and I want to talk

2340
01:49:19,058 --> 01:49:20,537
Speaker 3: tight and so I want to wrap this. But I

2341
01:49:20,577 --> 01:49:23,017
Speaker 3: know drives people crazy when we talk about flipping guys.

2342
01:49:23,298 --> 01:49:25,577
Speaker 3: But just for the record, like jac Latham's flipped to

2343
01:49:25,617 --> 01:49:27,537
Speaker 3: the left side for the Chargers and has been great.

2344
01:49:27,817 --> 01:49:30,977
Speaker 3: So I I just I do I think it possible

2345
01:49:31,018 --> 01:49:31,657
Speaker 3: that you can do that.

2346
01:49:31,737 --> 01:49:33,577
Speaker 2: I do trust Scott Peters, but if that's what you're

2347
01:49:33,617 --> 01:49:36,777
Speaker 2: gonna do, I'd rather take Ursery, who is a left

2348
01:49:36,777 --> 01:49:40,097
Speaker 2: tackle similar range. Yeah, like I charge, I said charge,

2349
01:49:40,098 --> 01:49:42,017
Speaker 2: I meant tell you. Yeah, However, you're gonna do this

2350
01:49:42,178 --> 01:49:44,458
Speaker 2: like you're gonna have to move like Ellie Wolf's gonna

2351
01:49:44,497 --> 01:49:46,258
Speaker 2: have to cook on draft night. Yeah, he's gonna have

2352
01:49:46,298 --> 01:49:48,737
Speaker 2: to be on the phone. Yeah, because you're not doing

2353
01:49:48,737 --> 01:49:51,657
Speaker 2: this with you know one in thirty three, two and

2354
01:49:51,697 --> 01:49:53,737
Speaker 2: thirty four, three and thirty five whatever you wanna call it,

2355
01:49:53,777 --> 01:49:55,218
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna have to move around to do it.

2356
01:49:55,258 --> 01:49:58,138
Speaker 2: But this is this is gonna be the big conversation

2357
01:49:58,258 --> 01:50:00,497
Speaker 2: is gonna be. Is it Will Cambell and Calvin Banks?

2358
01:50:00,497 --> 01:50:02,657
Speaker 2: And then you figure the rest out or is it

2359
01:50:03,138 --> 01:50:05,258
Speaker 2: you're making a targeted move to get to you guys.

2360
01:50:05,258 --> 01:50:07,218
Speaker 2: Now they could also go out and trade for wide

2361
01:50:07,258 --> 01:50:09,497
Speaker 2: receiver and March and this all becomes irrelevant and then

2362
01:50:09,537 --> 01:50:11,497
Speaker 2: it's Will Campbell or Calvin Banks end a story.

2363
01:50:11,657 --> 01:50:15,658
Speaker 3: So if you ask me, uh, from a draft perspective,

2364
01:50:15,737 --> 01:50:18,697
Speaker 3: the best case scenario is still trading down yeah, for

2365
01:50:18,777 --> 01:50:20,657
Speaker 3: a haul and drafting the tackle.

2366
01:50:20,857 --> 01:50:21,137
Speaker 2: YEP.

2367
01:50:22,018 --> 01:50:24,098
Speaker 3: I would also say that what you just said is

2368
01:50:24,098 --> 01:50:26,977
Speaker 3: probably the most likely scenario is that the address receiver

2369
01:50:27,058 --> 01:50:29,217
Speaker 3: in the veteran market yep. Whether it's be a trade,

2370
01:50:29,218 --> 01:50:32,418
Speaker 3: free agency, however that goes down with T Higgins maybe

2371
01:50:32,418 --> 01:50:35,178
Speaker 3: going to free agency, I would expect. And look, they

2372
01:50:35,218 --> 01:50:37,537
Speaker 3: tried it with Calvin Ridley and they didn't they didn't close.

2373
01:50:38,218 --> 01:50:41,497
Speaker 3: But I would expect if T. Higgins is an unrestricted

2374
01:50:41,537 --> 01:50:44,418
Speaker 3: free agent in March, which you probably will be the

2375
01:50:44,418 --> 01:50:48,497
Speaker 3: Patriots Day one of free agency, tampering period, one hundred

2376
01:50:48,537 --> 01:50:50,977
Speaker 3: and twenty five million dollar offered to Tea Higgins. You

2377
01:50:50,978 --> 01:50:51,817
Speaker 3: know something crazy?

2378
01:50:51,897 --> 01:50:54,017
Speaker 2: And I'll add this one last note on it, because

2379
01:50:54,018 --> 01:50:56,057
Speaker 2: I know you want to move on. But if they

2380
01:50:56,138 --> 01:50:59,378
Speaker 2: do that, so three big needs, we're pretty sure we

2381
01:50:59,418 --> 01:51:02,737
Speaker 2: know what they're gonna be at this point. Tackle receiver, edge, Yeah,

2382
01:51:02,937 --> 01:51:05,097
Speaker 2: all right, receivers off. I like, how use edge now,

2383
01:51:06,138 --> 01:51:08,937
Speaker 2: edge rush or whatever? I know it well because some

2384
01:51:08,978 --> 01:51:11,178
Speaker 2: of these guys are defensive ends, some of them are linebackers.

2385
01:51:11,418 --> 01:51:14,258
Speaker 2: Edge all caps depends that you draft someone would be

2386
01:51:14,378 --> 01:51:17,777
Speaker 2: all right whatever. This is a deep edge class like

2387
01:51:17,817 --> 01:51:21,497
Speaker 2: the day too, the late day one earth you can

2388
01:51:21,537 --> 01:51:24,737
Speaker 2: maybe get like a really good defensive end or outside

2389
01:51:24,737 --> 01:51:29,057
Speaker 2: linebacker pass rusher without having to move back up into

2390
01:51:29,058 --> 01:51:30,617
Speaker 2: the first round. So if you check the wide receiver,

2391
01:51:31,338 --> 01:51:34,258
Speaker 2: now you can trade down get campbeller Banks, and maybe

2392
01:51:34,258 --> 01:51:36,138
Speaker 2: you don't need to move back up and still get

2393
01:51:36,178 --> 01:51:37,977
Speaker 2: an impact player. And now you get to sit on

2394
01:51:38,018 --> 01:51:41,217
Speaker 2: that haul. And now you go into twenty twenty six

2395
01:51:41,577 --> 01:51:44,737
Speaker 2: potentially ready to go up and strike for a second corner,

2396
01:51:44,978 --> 01:51:48,017
Speaker 2: another pass rusher. Maybe went double up at receiver. Okay, Okay,

2397
01:51:48,018 --> 01:51:49,737
Speaker 2: we're getting too far down the road. No, but this

2398
01:51:49,777 --> 01:51:51,338
Speaker 2: is how you think about it. But how works I

2399
01:51:52,378 --> 01:51:54,458
Speaker 2: last thing, and I keep on saying we want to

2400
01:51:54,497 --> 01:51:54,737
Speaker 2: move on.

2401
01:51:56,298 --> 01:51:59,577
Speaker 3: I wouldn't sleep on adding defense and adding edge rusher

2402
01:51:59,577 --> 01:52:01,737
Speaker 3: in this draft. I still think tackles your biggest need

2403
01:52:01,777 --> 01:52:04,218
Speaker 3: and you need to address that off the bat. But

2404
01:52:04,378 --> 01:52:07,017
Speaker 3: they're thirtieth in DVA on defense, Like they haven't been

2405
01:52:07,058 --> 01:52:10,378
Speaker 3: a good defense this year. Obviously, you're gonna get bar

2406
01:52:10,458 --> 01:52:12,697
Speaker 3: More back, You're gonna get Bentley back, you like that.

2407
01:52:13,098 --> 01:52:16,617
Speaker 3: But edge rusher, it's Anthony Jennings and like a not

2408
01:52:16,657 --> 01:52:18,977
Speaker 3: a whole lot else and he's not really on white, yeah,

2409
01:52:19,018 --> 01:52:21,218
Speaker 3: but he's sort of a tweeter. And you don't really

2410
01:52:21,218 --> 01:52:23,378
Speaker 3: have anybody that gets up the field and rushes the

2411
01:52:23,378 --> 01:52:25,977
Speaker 3: passer like Anthony Jennings. That's not really his game, right,

2412
01:52:26,098 --> 01:52:29,098
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't sleep on that as being like a

2413
01:52:29,138 --> 01:52:29,977
Speaker 3: tier one need.

2414
01:52:29,857 --> 01:52:32,258
Speaker 2: For well, the big three needs Big three, Like we

2415
01:52:32,298 --> 01:52:34,857
Speaker 2: have a Big three every year. Tackle. It's been tackle, receiver,

2416
01:52:34,937 --> 01:52:38,177
Speaker 2: quarterback for a while now. Yeah, tackle in no particular order. Tackle,

2417
01:52:38,458 --> 01:52:41,977
Speaker 2: pass rusher, yeah, and receiver. But if you signed to Higgins,

2418
01:52:42,058 --> 01:52:44,897
Speaker 2: you checked out box, like those become the two I

2419
01:52:44,937 --> 01:52:49,298
Speaker 2: know corners in need, linebacker, developmental tight end, maybe a

2420
01:52:49,378 --> 01:52:52,218
Speaker 2: running back, Like that's a different kind of thing.

2421
01:52:52,418 --> 01:52:54,577
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we got ten minutes to talk about

2422
01:52:54,577 --> 01:52:56,737
Speaker 3: the Titans, which is exactly how much they deserve.

2423
01:52:57,458 --> 01:52:59,017
Speaker 2: So the one thing, especially when we don't know who

2424
01:52:59,018 --> 01:53:01,777
Speaker 2: their quarterback, I have three things to say about the Titans. Yeah,

2425
01:53:01,937 --> 01:53:03,977
Speaker 2: the one nice thing I'm gonna say about the Titans

2426
01:53:04,018 --> 01:53:06,817
Speaker 2: is that their defense is actually pretty scrappy. Their defense

2427
01:53:06,897 --> 01:53:09,697
Speaker 2: is well ranked and the efficiency metrics, I think they're

2428
01:53:09,857 --> 01:53:12,458
Speaker 2: ninth and DVOA they're like eleventh or twelfth and EPA

2429
01:53:12,537 --> 01:53:15,178
Speaker 2: per play. I know that they gave up fifty two

2430
01:53:15,258 --> 01:53:18,258
Speaker 2: points last week. I know, but trust me when I

2431
01:53:18,298 --> 01:53:20,617
Speaker 2: tell you it was a wonky fifty two points. It

2432
01:53:20,777 --> 01:53:24,657
Speaker 2: was big punt return, big kickoff return, big punt return

2433
01:53:25,138 --> 01:53:28,097
Speaker 2: turnover in their own territory. Like it was a weird one.

2434
01:53:28,178 --> 01:53:28,418
Speaker 2: You know.

2435
01:53:28,537 --> 01:53:32,097
Speaker 3: The the Lions had like eighty passing yards in that game,

2436
01:53:32,537 --> 01:53:35,617
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like Detroit went down up and down

2437
01:53:35,697 --> 01:53:39,178
Speaker 3: the field. On the Titans defense, they run a lot

2438
01:53:39,178 --> 01:53:42,218
Speaker 3: of different exotics. They are a very spin the dial

2439
01:53:42,338 --> 01:53:46,138
Speaker 3: type of defense. These are all reasons and Girodmeo and

2440
01:53:46,218 --> 01:53:48,737
Speaker 3: Alex van Pelt talked about it. Alex van Pelt today

2441
01:53:49,178 --> 01:53:51,737
Speaker 3: mentioned that they don't really have tendencies, right, they just

2442
01:53:51,857 --> 01:53:54,737
Speaker 3: kind of throw everything at you, and some teams like

2443
01:53:54,777 --> 01:53:57,937
Speaker 3: the Jaguars are big cover two third down defense, so

2444
01:53:57,978 --> 01:54:00,017
Speaker 3: you knew you were getting covered two on third down.

2445
01:54:00,737 --> 01:54:02,777
Speaker 3: The Titans are not like that. The Titans play a

2446
01:54:02,777 --> 01:54:06,178
Speaker 3: bunch of different coverages. So that's sort of why I'm

2447
01:54:06,218 --> 01:54:09,217
Speaker 3: hoping that Drake may plays this game even more because

2448
01:54:09,218 --> 01:54:11,218
Speaker 3: I'd like to see how he handles that. This is

2449
01:54:11,258 --> 01:54:14,458
Speaker 3: a Baltimore flavored defense. They run a lot of pressure,

2450
01:54:14,657 --> 01:54:17,577
Speaker 3: they run a lot of coverage, They mix it up,

2451
01:54:17,657 --> 01:54:20,537
Speaker 3: they spin the dial, they have some wonky rotations in

2452
01:54:20,577 --> 01:54:25,218
Speaker 3: the back end. Frankly, watching their film, it's sometimes hard

2453
01:54:25,218 --> 01:54:27,857
Speaker 3: to identify the coverage, Like, I don't know exactly what

2454
01:54:27,857 --> 01:54:31,137
Speaker 3: they're in. They do a lot of that, different types

2455
01:54:31,178 --> 01:54:35,578
Speaker 3: of these fancy cover five tricks, you know, different crazy coverages.

2456
01:54:36,258 --> 01:54:38,578
Speaker 3: So it's a tough one. It's a tough one to decipher.

2457
01:54:38,897 --> 01:54:41,458
Speaker 3: And if Drake may gooes out there and he passes

2458
01:54:41,538 --> 01:54:43,818
Speaker 3: this test in terms of the scheme elements and the

2459
01:54:43,858 --> 01:54:47,057
Speaker 3: decision making and the processing, are gonna be really impressed.

2460
01:54:47,098 --> 01:54:49,097
Speaker 3: So that was my nice thing to say about the Titans.

2461
01:54:49,258 --> 01:54:50,897
Speaker 3: Do you have anything nice to say about the Titans?

2462
01:54:50,937 --> 01:54:52,698
Speaker 2: Now? They gave up on my guy, Derek Henry. I

2463
01:54:52,738 --> 01:54:54,937
Speaker 2: know I do. I'm excited. I know he's on the

2464
01:54:54,937 --> 01:54:56,818
Speaker 2: injury report with see if he plays, but I hope

2465
01:54:56,818 --> 01:54:58,738
Speaker 2: we get to watch Devandre Sweat. Remember how I felt

2466
01:54:58,738 --> 01:55:01,297
Speaker 2: about him during the drafts. One of my favorite players.

2467
01:55:02,338 --> 01:55:05,298
Speaker 2: Him and Jeffery Simmons. Inside. Jeffery Simmons another player like

2468
01:55:05,338 --> 01:55:07,338
Speaker 2: I've always really liked. Now he's a little bit older now,

2469
01:55:07,338 --> 01:55:09,418
Speaker 2: he's not quite what he was, but he's pretty close.

2470
01:55:09,498 --> 01:55:11,897
Speaker 2: We talk about that. You know, the guards and Ben

2471
01:55:11,937 --> 01:55:15,498
Speaker 2: Brown coming along, they're right there. In a spot like

2472
01:55:15,498 --> 01:55:17,498
Speaker 2: this week, you do not want to run it between

2473
01:55:17,498 --> 01:55:19,578
Speaker 2: the guards in this game because de Andre Sweat and

2474
01:55:19,618 --> 01:55:21,738
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons are going to be there, and those guys

2475
01:55:21,738 --> 01:55:23,618
Speaker 2: are hard to move, so you're gonna want to run

2476
01:55:23,618 --> 01:55:25,818
Speaker 2: it outside the tackles, and the numbers bear that out

2477
01:55:26,458 --> 01:55:29,658
Speaker 2: going over to the offense for the Titans. This should

2478
01:55:29,698 --> 01:55:31,778
Speaker 2: be a get right game for the Patriots defense, and

2479
01:55:32,018 --> 01:55:34,578
Speaker 2: this should be a game where the Patriots defense comes

2480
01:55:34,578 --> 01:55:38,298
Speaker 2: out feeling pretty good about itself. Whether it's Will Levis

2481
01:55:38,378 --> 01:55:41,097
Speaker 2: or Mason Rudolph, the numbers are really not all that different.

2482
01:55:41,618 --> 01:55:44,618
Speaker 2: Rudolph is a little bit more conservative, a little bit safer,

2483
01:55:44,658 --> 01:55:46,778
Speaker 2: with the football. Will Devis is a little bit more

2484
01:55:47,338 --> 01:55:49,097
Speaker 2: run and gun. You know, you can throw the ball

2485
01:55:49,138 --> 01:55:51,298
Speaker 2: down the field and make some bigger plays. But for

2486
01:55:51,338 --> 01:55:54,458
Speaker 2: the most part, from an efficiency standpoint, it's about as

2487
01:55:54,498 --> 01:55:57,578
Speaker 2: identical as it could possibly be. They both kind of stink, right,

2488
01:55:57,658 --> 01:56:01,017
Speaker 2: So the Patriots defense should be able to have some

2489
01:56:01,138 --> 01:56:04,298
Speaker 2: fun in this game, I think at least, and I

2490
01:56:04,338 --> 01:56:05,738
Speaker 2: hope they do. I want to see if they can

2491
01:56:05,738 --> 01:56:07,698
Speaker 2: get the monkey off their back. In terms of turnovers.

2492
01:56:08,178 --> 01:56:10,138
Speaker 2: Is not a defense that forces a lot of turnovers.

2493
01:56:10,298 --> 01:56:13,498
Speaker 2: That's obviously very unusual. That's probably the biggest change post

2494
01:56:13,498 --> 01:56:17,137
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick production wise with this defense. Like the turnovers

2495
01:56:17,138 --> 01:56:20,618
Speaker 2: are not there. This Titans offense trick or treat. They

2496
01:56:20,618 --> 01:56:23,378
Speaker 2: want to give the ball away like Halloween candy nice

2497
01:56:23,418 --> 01:56:25,458
Speaker 2: and the Patriots should come out of this. I'm hoping

2498
01:56:25,458 --> 01:56:27,017
Speaker 2: they come out of this game with the multiple turnovers

2499
01:56:27,018 --> 01:56:28,897
Speaker 2: because you're not going to play the Titans every week.

2500
01:56:28,937 --> 01:56:30,178
Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where like you get

2501
01:56:30,178 --> 01:56:33,618
Speaker 2: a cup, regardless of how you get him, maybe you

2502
01:56:33,698 --> 01:56:36,897
Speaker 2: start you know, maybe it starts flowing for you. Damn

2503
01:56:37,018 --> 01:56:40,538
Speaker 2: right opens the damn you see one go in. So turnovers, turnovers, turnovers,

2504
01:56:40,578 --> 01:56:42,658
Speaker 2: That's what I want to see if regardless who's a quarterback,

2505
01:56:42,738 --> 01:56:44,418
Speaker 2: it'd be great if we get a Will Levis meme.

2506
01:56:44,578 --> 01:56:46,418
Speaker 2: That'd be the cherry on top for me. But I

2507
01:56:46,418 --> 01:56:47,698
Speaker 2: definitely want to see him go out and try to

2508
01:56:47,698 --> 01:56:48,338
Speaker 2: get some turnovers.

2509
01:56:48,738 --> 01:56:50,658
Speaker 3: There's two guys on this offense that where are you.

2510
01:56:50,778 --> 01:56:53,578
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard's a good back, banged up, they can run

2511
01:56:53,578 --> 01:56:56,098
Speaker 3: the ball. Tajay Spears also decent back. He looks like

2512
01:56:56,098 --> 01:56:58,937
Speaker 3: he's gonna come back. And then obviously Calvin Ridley. And

2513
01:56:59,338 --> 01:57:01,977
Speaker 3: I don't think this is hyperbole when I say that,

2514
01:57:02,258 --> 01:57:04,338
Speaker 3: I am sure the Patriots would like it if Calvin

2515
01:57:04,378 --> 01:57:06,977
Speaker 3: Ridley does not have a good game, right like, I

2516
01:57:06,978 --> 01:57:09,218
Speaker 3: think one of the worst things that could happen out

2517
01:57:09,258 --> 01:57:11,778
Speaker 3: of this game, besides somebody getting hurt or something like that,

2518
01:57:12,138 --> 01:57:14,257
Speaker 3: is that Calvin Ridley goes for like a buck fifty

2519
01:57:14,298 --> 01:57:16,618
Speaker 3: and two touchdowns and the Titans win, and we have

2520
01:57:16,658 --> 01:57:18,618
Speaker 3: a week of you could have had him, You could

2521
01:57:18,618 --> 01:57:20,378
Speaker 3: have had him, You could have had him. So my

2522
01:57:20,578 --> 01:57:23,937
Speaker 3: expectation is that Christian Gonzales will be on Calvin Ridley

2523
01:57:24,378 --> 01:57:27,138
Speaker 3: stop to run their run game with Tony Pollard and

2524
01:57:27,378 --> 01:57:29,738
Speaker 3: Taja Spears, and you should be okay on the defensive

2525
01:57:29,738 --> 01:57:32,217
Speaker 3: side of the ball. Last thing, talk a little special

2526
01:57:32,258 --> 01:57:33,858
Speaker 3: teams because it's warranted this week.

2527
01:57:33,937 --> 01:57:35,738
Speaker 2: Yep, this is no big punt returns.

2528
01:57:35,778 --> 01:57:38,337
Speaker 3: This Titan special team's unit is the worst in the NFL.

2529
01:57:38,538 --> 01:57:43,017
Speaker 3: They stink, They stink out loud. On punt coverage, they

2530
01:57:43,098 --> 01:57:46,578
Speaker 3: are four times worse than the next closest team.

2531
01:57:46,578 --> 01:57:48,378
Speaker 2: In terms of what yards per return.

2532
01:57:48,378 --> 01:57:52,897
Speaker 3: In terms of DVOA on punt coverage, four times worse.

2533
01:57:53,458 --> 01:57:57,458
Speaker 3: They are a minus twenty four on punt returns. The

2534
01:57:57,498 --> 01:58:00,498
Speaker 3: next closest team is a minus eight. Think about that.

2535
01:58:00,498 --> 01:58:04,897
Speaker 3: That's wild. So Marcus Jones, I think that's three times

2536
01:58:04,937 --> 01:58:06,818
Speaker 3: where I said four. I'm terrible at math.

2537
01:58:06,858 --> 01:58:09,097
Speaker 2: Don't make me do math. You're already using math.

2538
01:58:09,258 --> 01:58:12,658
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones should have some opportunities in this game. They

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01:58:12,698 --> 01:58:15,498
Speaker 3: had a law I can't remember at the top of

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01:58:15,538 --> 01:58:17,217
Speaker 3: my head how long it was. It was a long

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01:58:17,458 --> 01:58:21,618
Speaker 3: punt return touchdown by Cliff Raymond last week. I think

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01:58:21,618 --> 01:58:23,578
Speaker 3: they had like one hundred and fifty yards of punt

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01:58:23,578 --> 01:58:26,698
Speaker 3: return yards in this game last week for the Lions.

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01:58:27,018 --> 01:58:29,698
Speaker 3: So they should have some opportunities to turn some punts

2545
01:58:29,698 --> 01:58:33,738
Speaker 3: and this should be a game where they dominate that phase, right,

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01:58:33,778 --> 01:58:35,858
Speaker 3: they should be able to really win the kicking game

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01:58:36,098 --> 01:58:38,578
Speaker 3: against the Titans. I can't believe the Titans special teams

2548
01:58:38,578 --> 01:58:42,057
Speaker 3: coordinator hasn't gotten fired. Like there're a garbage a dumpster fire,

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01:58:42,178 --> 01:58:44,418
Speaker 3: like block punts, big returns.

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01:58:44,538 --> 01:58:47,538
Speaker 2: It's it's been terrible. I'm trying to find the actual

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01:58:47,618 --> 01:58:49,338
Speaker 2: yards per return, so but a real number to it.

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01:58:50,178 --> 01:58:52,818
Speaker 3: So sorry, my fancy numbers don't work for you. Also,

2553
01:58:52,858 --> 01:58:56,177
Speaker 3: I messed up the mat so to double edged sword.

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01:58:56,418 --> 01:58:58,498
Speaker 2: Anyway, I think.

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01:58:58,378 --> 01:59:01,378
Speaker 3: That about does it. So next week we'll come back

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01:59:01,418 --> 01:59:05,057
Speaker 3: and trade deadline. I'm just saying this is my gut,

2557
01:59:05,218 --> 01:59:08,017
Speaker 3: just my opinion. I think it's gonna be kind of quiet.

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01:59:08,098 --> 01:59:09,977
Speaker 3: I know we all talk about the trade deadline like

2559
01:59:10,018 --> 01:59:12,017
Speaker 3: it's the hot stove, right Like it's like.

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01:59:12,018 --> 01:59:14,137
Speaker 2: The surprised if they don't move one of those two receivers.

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01:59:14,178 --> 01:59:16,338
Speaker 2: I just think to get the numbers right in the room,

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01:59:16,538 --> 01:59:18,258
Speaker 2: it's possible. I just don't know if they're gonna get

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01:59:18,258 --> 01:59:20,218
Speaker 2: the return that's gonna make it worth it. I think

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01:59:20,258 --> 01:59:21,738
Speaker 2: opening up the spot will make it worth it.

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01:59:21,818 --> 01:59:23,418
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could have a josh u Ja, you know,

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01:59:23,458 --> 01:59:26,418
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six to seventh for Taekwon Thorton situation, just

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01:59:26,458 --> 01:59:30,138
Speaker 3: to maybe pick swap. Yeah, so we'll talk about the

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01:59:30,138 --> 01:59:33,138
Speaker 3: trade line, we'll talk about this game against the Titoons,

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01:59:33,538 --> 01:59:35,018
Speaker 3: and then next week.

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01:59:34,978 --> 01:59:38,017
Speaker 2: Really what what was what was that? The Titos? No,

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01:59:38,338 --> 01:59:38,858
Speaker 2: the Titans.

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01:59:39,258 --> 01:59:42,538
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, really looking forward to next week's game.

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01:59:42,778 --> 01:59:45,977
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams against Drake May. Hopefully, hopefully neither one of

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01:59:45,978 --> 01:59:48,098
Speaker 3: them gets hurt on Sunday and they play in that

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01:59:48,138 --> 01:59:50,818
Speaker 3: game together one versus three. That's gonna be a lot

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01:59:50,818 --> 01:59:53,098
Speaker 3: of fun. Like it's not, obviously neither team's going to

2577
01:59:53,098 --> 01:59:54,618
Speaker 3: the super Bowl, but it's still cool to see that.

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01:59:54,818 --> 01:59:56,178
Speaker 2: Give me, speaking of the Bears, give me one thought

2579
01:59:56,178 --> 01:59:56,977
Speaker 2: on the hail Mary play.

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01:59:58,458 --> 02:00:03,178
Speaker 3: My thought on the haill Mary play is that I

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02:00:03,218 --> 02:00:06,458
Speaker 3: actually have a take on this, and give me two minutes.

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02:00:07,698 --> 02:00:11,778
Speaker 3: My take on this is that we are failing as

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02:00:11,818 --> 02:00:16,057
Speaker 3: a football Cognizanti that we are not rushing quarterbacks on hill.

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02:00:15,937 --> 02:00:23,498
Speaker 2: Mary's Like, why cognisant? Like just football people, coaches. I've

2585
02:00:23,538 --> 02:00:25,218
Speaker 2: seen this take this week. This is the new it

2586
02:00:25,338 --> 02:00:27,338
Speaker 2: thing you should blitz on a hail Mary. I'm not

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02:00:27,378 --> 02:00:29,778
Speaker 2: saying all out blitz. I'm not going Greg Willie you're

2588
02:00:29,778 --> 02:00:30,338
Speaker 2: not going engage.

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02:00:30,738 --> 02:00:32,977
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to engage eight, But can I

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02:00:33,018 --> 02:00:35,658
Speaker 3: get like a real rush, like not like a two

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02:00:35,698 --> 02:00:38,538
Speaker 3: man like, okay, we're gonna kind of just like Jaden

2592
02:00:38,618 --> 02:00:43,258
Speaker 3: Daniels had thirteen seconds thirteen seconds to throw the ball,

2593
02:00:43,378 --> 02:00:45,937
Speaker 3: the longest time to throw of the next Gen era

2594
02:00:46,258 --> 02:00:51,458
Speaker 3: twelve point seventy five seconds, get some pressure on the quarterback,

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02:00:51,538 --> 02:00:54,618
Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure because as actually Bill said

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02:00:54,618 --> 02:00:58,017
Speaker 3: it on TV on his seventeen Jobs that if you

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02:00:58,018 --> 02:01:00,698
Speaker 3: can get pressure in the quarterback's face, well now he

2598
02:01:00,738 --> 02:01:03,178
Speaker 3: can't step into the throw, and now he can't reach

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02:01:03,218 --> 02:01:03,738
Speaker 3: the end zone.

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02:01:03,738 --> 02:01:08,418
Speaker 2: You know who did pressure? Didn't? Didn't Dan Campbell blitz

2601
02:01:08,538 --> 02:01:10,698
Speaker 2: on a play action the other week? Yeah?

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02:01:10,858 --> 02:01:13,137
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it depends on where you are on the field,

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02:01:13,178 --> 02:01:15,538
Speaker 3: because like if a go ball that like hits a

2604
02:01:15,538 --> 02:01:18,177
Speaker 3: guy in stride can beat you, then you can't really all.

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02:01:18,098 --> 02:01:20,418
Speaker 2: Out pressure like the thirty five Yeah yeah yeah.

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02:01:20,418 --> 02:01:22,937
Speaker 3: But if you're like if they have to throw at

2607
02:01:22,978 --> 02:01:25,578
Speaker 3: sixty yards like Jayden Daniels had to do on Sunday,

2608
02:01:25,978 --> 02:01:29,897
Speaker 3: then throw the kitchen sink at him, Like what's gonna happen?

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02:01:30,578 --> 02:01:33,818
Speaker 3: It's it's beyond me. Why we the to the two

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02:01:33,858 --> 02:01:36,738
Speaker 3: man mush rush or I think the Chicago had a

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02:01:36,778 --> 02:01:38,897
Speaker 3: spy on Jayden Daniels.

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02:01:38,978 --> 02:01:40,698
Speaker 2: I get that. I'll be honest, I get that. How

2613
02:01:40,738 --> 02:01:42,897
Speaker 2: do you get that he's not gonna run for seventy yards?

2614
02:01:42,897 --> 02:01:44,618
Speaker 2: You can get a chunk and then you get into

2615
02:01:44,618 --> 02:01:48,538
Speaker 2: a lateral play and on that guy specifically. I get it.

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02:01:48,618 --> 02:01:50,698
Speaker 3: I'm just saying a real rush. I'm not saying all

2617
02:01:50,738 --> 02:01:53,618
Speaker 3: out Billitz. I'm not saying game four four man.

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02:01:53,818 --> 02:01:56,698
Speaker 2: Maybe you throw a stunt in there something like that. Yeah,

2619
02:01:57,178 --> 02:02:00,937
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thought. The big thing is, don't this

2620
02:02:01,058 --> 02:02:02,858
Speaker 2: is the way hail mary? That that part of the

2621
02:02:02,858 --> 02:02:05,378
Speaker 2: reason that plays so perfectly. People think of hail Mary's

2622
02:02:05,378 --> 02:02:08,618
Speaker 2: as like DeAndre Hopkins going up right in Arizona b Buffalo.

2623
02:02:08,738 --> 02:02:11,217
Speaker 2: Make No, that's not how most hail Marys are completed.

2624
02:02:11,298 --> 02:02:14,338
Speaker 2: Most of them are who's the who's the furthest guy back,

2625
02:02:14,378 --> 02:02:16,578
Speaker 2: who's closest to the end line, And you're tree if

2626
02:02:16,578 --> 02:02:18,458
Speaker 2: you're the offense trying to tip it back to that guy.

2627
02:02:18,498 --> 02:02:20,818
Speaker 2: If you're the defense trying to tip it forward. Uh.

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02:02:21,098 --> 02:02:24,818
Speaker 2: Great play by Noel Brown. Excellent, excellent play by Noel Brown. Terrible,

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02:02:25,458 --> 02:02:29,017
Speaker 2: zactly terrible play by Tyren Stevenson. That is such a

2630
02:02:29,058 --> 02:02:31,738
Speaker 2: good meme though, where he's like Sandy, do you if

2631
02:02:31,738 --> 02:02:34,337
Speaker 2: you look and you watch it, He's actually not taunting

2632
02:02:34,498 --> 02:02:37,778
Speaker 2: Washington fans. There's Bears fans there. He's like trying to

2633
02:02:37,818 --> 02:02:40,218
Speaker 2: celebrate with them, and the ball gets snapped and all

2634
02:02:40,218 --> 02:02:42,618
Speaker 2: the Bears fans are telling him like, no, go to

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02:02:42,658 --> 02:02:46,217
Speaker 2: the play. It's happening. What a moment. That was awesome.

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02:02:46,338 --> 02:02:49,137
Speaker 3: Okay, that's my college football. He things really really quickly.

2637
02:02:49,418 --> 02:02:51,658
Speaker 3: Patriots injury report just came out, so he can add

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02:02:51,658 --> 02:02:52,178
Speaker 3: this to the end.

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02:02:52,138 --> 02:02:54,498
Speaker 2: Of the das. No changes right from Yes, there are.

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02:02:54,418 --> 02:02:57,698
Speaker 3: Some changes, but in a good way. So Drake may

2641
02:02:57,778 --> 02:03:01,538
Speaker 3: still listed as limited with the concussion, Christian Ellis limited

2642
02:03:01,578 --> 02:03:05,057
Speaker 3: with an abdomen is a new one, Vederian low Back

2643
02:03:05,378 --> 02:03:09,137
Speaker 3: limited participant with the ankle and shoulder, and Jacqueline Roy

2644
02:03:09,378 --> 02:03:12,097
Speaker 3: also back with the neck injury that he missed practiced

2645
02:03:12,138 --> 02:03:15,218
Speaker 3: last week, and Jalen Polk a full participant. So I

2646
02:03:15,258 --> 02:03:17,378
Speaker 3: would expect that he's off the injury report by the

2647
02:03:17,458 --> 02:03:19,658
Speaker 3: end of the week and back on Sunday. But like

2648
02:03:19,738 --> 02:03:24,378
Speaker 3: once again, Drake may officially limited again today with the concussion.

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02:03:24,498 --> 02:03:27,977
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