WEBVTT - 112523 The Intersection of Racism and Police Activity in the U.S. (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Ramsey's.

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<v Speaker 3>Job is Ramsey's jaw. I am q ward. You are

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<v Speaker 3>listening to Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed you are, and we have a lot for you

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<v Speaker 1>to stick around for, so please do Today we.

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<v Speaker 2>Are going to be covering some round We.

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<v Speaker 1>Have had to depart from our normal programming to cover

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<v Speaker 1>some really important topics. Please check out the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of episodes on civiccipher dot com where we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>generational trauma, we talk about how algorithms divide us. The

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<v Speaker 1>OEJ Wilson and io Apha helped us out with both

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<v Speaker 1>of those shows. We talked about pronouns and why those

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<v Speaker 1>are important with Maya.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was moving around the world making sure that.

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<v Speaker 3>We had don't let Ramses make that sound all grand.

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<v Speaker 3>He was I was just going to work.

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<v Speaker 1>He was moving around the world. And so now we're

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<v Speaker 1>both back in the studio and we have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up on. So we're going to spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about some police stories that have made the

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<v Speaker 1>news that we feel you should know about. We are.

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<v Speaker 2>For those new to the show, we are people that certainly.

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<v Speaker 4>Pay those attention to how we police treat people, particularly

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<v Speaker 4>people from black and brown communities, people who are black

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<v Speaker 4>and brown themselves, and so we're going to bring you

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<v Speaker 4>up to speed on some things that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, we're going to take part of the show to

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<v Speaker 1>rethink the car sool system. We've had some conversations Q

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<v Speaker 1>and I in our group chat, and we put together

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and there are some really important questions that

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<v Speaker 1>have come up recently that have certainly caused me to

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<v Speaker 1>expand my concept of criminal rehabilitation and punishment. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's worth listening to so all that and

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<v Speaker 1>so much more to stick around for to day. But

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, let's start, like we always do, with

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to share a bit from USA today about

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen year old who invented a soap to treat

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<v Speaker 1>skin cancer. He was named America's Top Young Scientists, so

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<v Speaker 1>Herman Beckel, a ninth grader from annan Dell, Virginia, won

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<v Speaker 1>the prestigious award from three M and Discovery Education, which

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<v Speaker 1>is considered one of the country's top middle school science competitions.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that young minds can make a positive impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the world, Herman said in his submission for the award.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been interested in biology and technology, and this

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<v Speaker 1>challenge gave me the perfect platform to showcase my ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent four months competing against other finalists to be

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<v Speaker 1>named America's top Young Scientist. The competition was created to

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<v Speaker 1>tell students between the fifth and eighth grades create innovative

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that change the world. Heman, I've been calling Hermann.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize. Heman developed a compound based bar of soap

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<v Speaker 1>designed to treat melanoma.

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<v Speaker 2>The bar of.

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<v Speaker 1>Soap costs about fifty fifty cents to make, and he

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<v Speaker 1>helps to refine his innovation and create a nonprofit organization

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<v Speaker 1>to distribute the soap to communities in need over the

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<v Speaker 1>next five years. According to three M and Discovery Education,

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<v Speaker 1>so Human Bekel, a fourteen year old black child, is

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<v Speaker 1>doing something special over there, treating skin cancer with soap

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously the amounts of research and science and all

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<v Speaker 1>those sorts of things that are beyond my reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Young black ingenuity and that we've been paying specific attention to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, recently, is blowing me away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a special thing. So again, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to him and Beckel. We appreciate you, brother.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so let's get to some business.

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<v Speaker 3>When Ramsen says that you guys can't see us, my

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<v Speaker 3>stomach starts to hurt at because get back to some

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<v Speaker 3>business kind of always means the same thing in the

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<v Speaker 3>space that we're in, very unfortunately, but it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a perpetual thing and it's not it's unfortunately not unique

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<v Speaker 3>to today.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, And you know the funny thing about that, Q,

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<v Speaker 1>is that these stories, these national stories, they'll pile up

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<v Speaker 1>if we take a week off. In your case, you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking a couple of weeks off, and you're the only

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<v Speaker 1>person that I feel really comfortable tackling these things with.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm the only person you feel really comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>tackling these things with it. You know, we for those

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<v Speaker 1>that don't know, we share this content. Sometimes I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>a subject, sometimes you will take a subject. Sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 1>watch a video some times Q will rarely do we

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<v Speaker 1>both watch the same thing, just because we have to

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<v Speaker 1>preserve our mental health. We don't want to become overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 1>with death and violence against black and brown bodies. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have our processes and Q is my brother, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when he's not here, it's harder to make

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<v Speaker 1>these lifts. So we're going to cover a few stories today.

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<v Speaker 1>This first one comes from San Jose, California, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>share a bit from ABC News an article. So a

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose police officer has resigned after the police department

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<v Speaker 1>found numerous disgusting text messages that demonstrated racial bias. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a statement by the San Jose Police Department, the

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<v Speaker 1>text message is related to a twenty twenty two shooting

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<v Speaker 1>incident in which the officer shot a college football player

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<v Speaker 1>who had wrestled a gun from a perpetrator during a

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<v Speaker 1>fight in a local Takorea.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm saying that right Takorea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the statement released from the SJPD, Mark McNamara

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<v Speaker 1>was identified as the officer. Stateman said that the department

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<v Speaker 1>found the messages during an unrelated criminal investigation into one

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<v Speaker 1>of their other officers quote, there is a zero tolerance

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<v Speaker 1>for even a single expression of racial bias at the

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose Police Department. This according to San Jose Police

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Anthony Mata. Chief Mata added that the investigation quote

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<v Speaker 1>also determined that a current employee who was on the

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<v Speaker 1>receiving end of some of the messages, engaged in other

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<v Speaker 1>concerning dialogue with the former officer. The other employee, who

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<v Speaker 1>has not been identified by the SJPD, was immediately placed

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<v Speaker 1>on administratively pending an internal investigation. According to the statement,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so let's back up here. In March twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, then twenty year old Kean Green, who is black,

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<v Speaker 1>was at the Takoia in San Jose when a fight ensued.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the perpetrators pulled out a gun, which Green

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<v Speaker 1>wrestled out of his hands. He was then shot four

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<v Speaker 1>times by McNamara, who was responding to the scene as

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<v Speaker 1>Green was backing out of the door of the Takorea.

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<v Speaker 1>Following the shooting, Green filed a federal lawsuit against McNamara, SJPD,

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<v Speaker 1>and the City of San Jose for excessive force and

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<v Speaker 1>the city's related liability in the incident. In another message

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<v Speaker 1>sent by McNamara after he was deposed by Green's legal team,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, quote, I hate black people. In the ten

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<v Speaker 1>page document released by the SJPD containing McNamara's text messages,

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<v Speaker 1>he frequently used racial slurs when referring to Green and

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<v Speaker 1>his legal team. Green, who was a college football player

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<v Speaker 1>at Contra Costa College and still dreams of a career

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL, said during the press conference he had

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<v Speaker 1>to sit out the entire twenty twenty two football season

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<v Speaker 1>and has been suffering from depression since the shooting. So obviously, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, first your early thoughts, you please, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Before getting into this specifically, you know, Ramses and I

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<v Speaker 3>have been put into a space of being in the

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<v Speaker 3>opinion of the expert with regards to this specific type

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<v Speaker 3>of trauma because of the amount of time we spend.

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<v Speaker 2>Dealing with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think that has made us, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>more open to the conversations that we've had to have

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<v Speaker 3>recently with regards to mental health and being open about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The show has kind of thrust us into saying out

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<v Speaker 3>loud and being very transparent that this is a hard

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<v Speaker 3>mental lift for us. Ramses, you know, spoke earlier about

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<v Speaker 3>us kind of sharing the load with and ingesting this

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<v Speaker 3>type of content, these stories, the videos that accompany them,

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<v Speaker 3>so sooner than later, Ramses and I are going to

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<v Speaker 3>take a documented mental health retreat somewhere in the world

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<v Speaker 3>where we probably take a camera with us or a

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<v Speaker 3>camera person with us, and do some introspective mental soul

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<v Speaker 3>searching and healing so that we can do a better

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<v Speaker 3>job at this for you. Because when I say, my

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<v Speaker 3>stomach starts to hurt when we start talking about this,

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<v Speaker 3>I was not We chuckled a little bit, but I

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<v Speaker 3>was being very very serious. It makes me sick. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're looking at kind of where people's humanity

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<v Speaker 3>departs when hate is interjected. And listening to this guy

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<v Speaker 3>say he hates black people, and watching people on the

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<v Speaker 3>news say they hate this group of people or this

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<v Speaker 3>other and other being the key word has made it

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<v Speaker 3>very easy for people to oose their sense of human

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<v Speaker 3>decency and empathy with regards to people who don't look, love,

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<v Speaker 3>or pray the same way that they do. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's important to kind of highlight that in general,

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<v Speaker 3>not just specific to this story, but I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 3>this language I hate insert group of people, and in

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<v Speaker 3>their mind. That means that we can mistreat, kill, disrespect, detegrate.

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<v Speaker 3>The list goes on this group of people that we've

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<v Speaker 3>deemed beneath us or less than So here's the funny

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<v Speaker 3>part of this story is trying to veer away from

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<v Speaker 3>this story type. But those are the type of feelings

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<v Speaker 3>that you're reading this cause to stir up.

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<v Speaker 1>And but I say, I'm glad that you mentioned that,

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<v Speaker 1>because these stories that we have in the first part

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<v Speaker 1>of the show here, these are all police officers, and

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<v Speaker 1>they feel this way, and they're empowered to directly impact

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<v Speaker 1>the community, and they are often enough are insulated from consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we're looking at this officer Mark McNamara, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>that's the last time I ever have to say his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to make him famous. But you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>we look at people like this.

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<v Speaker 1>You start thinking, Okay, well, I know I would guess

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<v Speaker 1>that there's at least two people in this department that

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<v Speaker 1>feel this way, as you know, based on just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he was texting someone openly this language.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're comfortable sharing this with a colleague. So now

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<v Speaker 3>there's at least two people. Now we can make the

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<v Speaker 3>argument and after having covered this sort of stuff so

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<v Speaker 3>for so long, we can make several arguments that it's

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<v Speaker 3>the culture of policing in general across the entirety of

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, and the exception is the good cop.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the system. It does not exist to help

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<v Speaker 3>all of us the same. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to this, this officer was not a lone actor,

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<v Speaker 1>and this officer had been empowered and indeed carried a

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<v Speaker 1>gun and was justified in every street level physical punishment

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<v Speaker 1>he ever doled out to anybody because of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he was an officer, and he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that for that long and felt this way. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no instance in my life, not one, not one

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<v Speaker 1>instance where you will ever hear me say I hate

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<v Speaker 1>insert group of people. For those that know me, for

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<v Speaker 1>those who've seen me and Q on the Breakfast Club,

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<v Speaker 1>on the cover of a magazine on CNN, wherever you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen us, Google whatever, you see that. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>huge tattoo on my arm and it says I love you, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That is intended for whoever's reading it.

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<v Speaker 1>But whoever's reading whenever I hold a microphone, you could

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<v Speaker 1>read it. So when I know, I know that it

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<v Speaker 1>is not possible for me to ever say that when

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<v Speaker 1>I look at a police officer, knowing that there's at

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<v Speaker 1>least two based on this story.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is on record, by the way, that I

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<v Speaker 3>hate to keep steering away from this story specifically, but

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<v Speaker 3>Ramses in particular right extends a level of grace and

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<v Speaker 3>benefited the doubt to people who don't deserve it because

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<v Speaker 3>he is not inclined to ever lead with hate, even

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<v Speaker 3>to people who have wronged us, people who have aggressively

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<v Speaker 3>wronged us. He provides a space actively of reconciliation for them.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's important for me to interject there. This is

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<v Speaker 3>to sound good or for a good SoundBite on this

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<v Speaker 3>particular story. Listen to every episode we've ever had, and

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<v Speaker 3>you'll hear me interjecting where I feel like there should

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<v Speaker 3>be some stronger negative emotion and Ramses just does not

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<v Speaker 3>come from that space or that place. So imagine that,

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<v Speaker 3>even with the proverbial thumb being pressed down on us

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<v Speaker 3>or boot or however you want to you know, mention,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that that he still comes from a place where

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<v Speaker 3>there's grace, love, forgiveness, and reconciliation as a possibility, and

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<v Speaker 3>he leads with that with empathy with you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. So again, it's very, very hard because the

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<v Speaker 3>reason he hates black people is not because black people

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<v Speaker 3>have traditionally wronged him and his right. This hate was

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<v Speaker 3>indoctrinated and taught to him by someone else and people

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<v Speaker 3>like him. There's nothing on the application. There could be

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<v Speaker 3>something during the interview right to root people like this out,

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<v Speaker 3>and not just in a way of a question, but

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<v Speaker 3>if a criminal did something, you give them a live

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<v Speaker 3>detector test. If you're giving someone this type of authority,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe as a part of the interview process, hooked them

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<v Speaker 3>up to a lie detector and asked them their thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>on black and brown people, And how about we disqualify

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<v Speaker 3>them if there's something that indicates that they might hate

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<v Speaker 3>a specific group of people, that they have the authority

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<v Speaker 3>and the power to not just arrest and affect their

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<v Speaker 3>livelihood forever, but too unlive.

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<v Speaker 1>Which has a ripple effect across the whole community. Just

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<v Speaker 1>the thought, and it's a brilliant thought. And here's something

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<v Speaker 1>else I want you to remember. We're talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>officer in San Jose who's texting his fellow officer, I

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<v Speaker 1>hate black people. And we have a couple of other

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<v Speaker 1>stories that we need to get to all from the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and we cover a lot of this on our show.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember, these are the officers that got caught Mike Fropp.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about that, if these text messages hadn't come to

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<v Speaker 1>light based on another investigation, this officer who hates black

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<v Speaker 1>people would still be patrolling the streets of San Jose

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<v Speaker 1>doing whatever officers do to people that they hate.

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<v Speaker 3>Impunity by the way, Oh yeah, fully protected by the

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<v Speaker 3>law and the community.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, you know, blue lives matter and thin blue line,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's hurtful and it's not fair. Let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>This next story is coming from the route. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about the route. Check out the route right. That's awesome, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Dexter Wade's preliminary autopsy shows his body was carelessly mishandled

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<v Speaker 1>before a secret burial, according to Ben Crump. Now, I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this show on the Black Information Network Daily podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of thoughts there, but it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to mention this here on Civic Cyber because this is

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<v Speaker 1>really where I wanted to talk about it. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that now we're finally getting to it, so we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your patience.

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<v Speaker 2>For those that don't know a little bit about the backstory.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a black man who was run over by

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<v Speaker 1>a police car who was I think suing some other

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<v Speaker 1>some unrelated thing. He just lost his life, just accident.

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<v Speaker 1>The police then took him and buried him. He had

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<v Speaker 1>idea and I'll read that part of it, but they

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<v Speaker 1>buried him without his mother knowing. His mother worried about

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<v Speaker 1>her son for seven months until she found out that

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<v Speaker 1>he had died, and the police covered it up.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the backstory.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me read a little bit about the how his

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<v Speaker 1>body was mishandled just a bit here right again from

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<v Speaker 1>the route. An independent pathologist released the initial findings from

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<v Speaker 1>the autopsy of Dexter Wade, the Mississippi man fatally struck

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<v Speaker 1>by a police car earlier this year and buried by

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<v Speaker 1>the county unbeknownst to his family. The findings we built

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<v Speaker 1>Wade had identification on him at the time of his death.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Frank Peretti, hired by civil rights attorney Ben Crump,

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<v Speaker 1>released the initial findings following the exhumation of Wade's body.

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<v Speaker 1>Breddy noted that Wade had several identifying items on his person,

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<v Speaker 1>including his health insurance card and the idea which contained

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<v Speaker 1>his home address. Peretti said Wade was quote completely run

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<v Speaker 1>over by the police car that struck him back in March.

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<v Speaker 1>The report he was I think they let his mom

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<v Speaker 1>know in August sometime, all right. The report also said

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<v Speaker 1>that Wade's body was in an advanced state of decomposition

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<v Speaker 1>and that he suffered multiple blunt force injuries to the skull, ribs,

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<v Speaker 1>and pelvis. His left leg was also amputated. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>see why we got to take turns with these stories. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>if that was a bit much, I didn't. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that was coming, all right. Wade wasn't embalmed when

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<v Speaker 1>the county buried him in a Heinz County Pauper's grave

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<v Speaker 1>weeks following the incident.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The tragic news we received from the independent pathologist today

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<v Speaker 1>was heartbreaking for everyone who knew and cared for Dexter Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>especially his mother. The fact that Dexter had a state

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<v Speaker 1>ID card and several other identifying items shows us that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a concerted effort to keep the truth and

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<v Speaker 1>the manner of his death from his family. There's no excuse,

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<v Speaker 1>not even incompetence for not notifying a next of kin

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<v Speaker 1>of an identified man's death. Crump said in his statement,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, now, real quick, I want to add a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more things here. His mother, dextra Wave's mother also

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<v Speaker 1>lost a brother to the same police department, and I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that there was a lawsuit there. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the notes here just now, so if I'm not correct here,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't owe me to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I believe there was a lawsuit there.

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<v Speaker 1>And my thoughts were that the police didn't want the

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<v Speaker 1>mother to know because they feared a second lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, when we talk about police accountability, police cover ups,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the police that get caught, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>We have another such story. It's also important to note that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the things that Q and I

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<v Speaker 1>really try our best to do is we try to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge the fact that we're both men and we are

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<v Speaker 1>not black women, and we respect the fact that black

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<v Speaker 1>women feel more of the feelings that there are to

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<v Speaker 1>feel when we tell stories like this, and today we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about one such black mother who lost her brother

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<v Speaker 1>and her son and for seven months had to walk

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<v Speaker 1>around with that not in her stomach, fearing the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>only to find out that not only was her son

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<v Speaker 1>not alive anymore, but he was taken from her in

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<v Speaker 1>a horrible manner, and she wasn't allowed to be present

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<v Speaker 1>when they exhumed the body.

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<v Speaker 2>They believe they had.

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<v Speaker 1>A funeral recently, form a proper funeral, and the manner

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<v Speaker 1>of death and the cover of overshadowed what would normally

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<v Speaker 1>be a very tragic event, very heartbreaking event. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>doubly so now. And I thought back to Emmett Till

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<v Speaker 1>and his mother, Mamie, having the courage to go through

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<v Speaker 1>that and to share that story. And so in this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and as often as we can, we want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that we acknowledge the pain that black women suffer

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<v Speaker 1>under the framework of this society, and often enough by

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<v Speaker 1>police in this country. And so I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that I stated that. And we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have enough time to get to it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>had another one, Elijah McClain. He was the young man.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a sweetheart. Please look up his name, Elijah McClain.

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<v Speaker 1>He was from Colorado. He was such a good person.

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<v Speaker 3>And this kid was on the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that if that's not, if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that's true. But he got the most positive energy,

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<v Speaker 1>energy and personality as a result, so that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a very caring kind soul. And it's cold in Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>and he was wearing a ski mask. Neighbors called the

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<v Speaker 1>police on him. We showed up, lost his life, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's now a second officer that's been acquitted for his death,

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<v Speaker 1>and that obviously has caused a lot of people to

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<v Speaker 1>be upset. So we're talking about accountability, we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, consequences, and we're talking about people that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately ended up getting caught.

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<v Speaker 1>In the case of Elijah McClain, people made a big

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<v Speaker 1>enough deal out of it in order for there to

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<v Speaker 1>at least be an investigation into it. But as is

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<v Speaker 1>often the case, there will be no consequences for at

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<v Speaker 1>least two of the officers that were directly involved in

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<v Speaker 1>his death.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a hard thing to try to comprehend and reconcile.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, imagine the amount of stuff that we couldn't get to.

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<v Speaker 1>We picked three because we thought we could get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>This list goes on and we're just going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>sharing it.

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<v Speaker 2>With him