WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Hindsight is “2020” 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.400 The following here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:18.160 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Lets go. Are you 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.280 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.640 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:32.000 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:38.320 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.480 It is two the October twenty second, twenty seventh I'm Sorry, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.880 twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode number fifty two. Welcome to 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:47.879 the latest edition of The Break. We are alive from 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.279 the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We've got 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.159 Nick amber Gave, and we are gonna get honest with 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.080 you guys today. We're gonna talk about this team and 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.080 we're gonna hit a lot of different topics. We're gonna 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.920 talk about the coaching, We're gonna talk about the defense, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.160 we're gonna talk about special teams. We're gonna talk about 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.600 a little bit of everything on this show. And so 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.160 I want to start first though, with Jerry Jones. He 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.320 had his weekly or one of his weekly sit downs 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.600 with the folks from one or five out three the 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.880 fan here locally in Dallas Sean and RJ's show in 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:24.200 the morning and had some interesting things to say. The 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.920 funniest part though, obviously, and I know this is for 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:28.919 those of you that that follow a lot of the 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.960 Cowboys beat writers on social media. I'm sure you've heard 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.840 by now that Jerry had a little bit of a 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.760 moment where he's he was a little upset, a little frustrated, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.400 and even though admitted at the end he's a little 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.200 upset and frustrated, but but you know, it kind of 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.640 came out boiled over a little bit there with some 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.679 of the questioning. But I want to start first with 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.600 a question that Jerry was asked where he kind of volunteered. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.800 They were talking about the run defense, and he volunteered 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.120 that there will be some personnel changes, and so let's 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.600 start looking at it from that standpoint. First, we know 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.600 they're problems for this team all year stopping the run. Nick, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.200 what do you think or who do you think maybe 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.200 the target of some of the personnel changes or should 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.040 be some of the targets these personnel changes. Well, just 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.400 like you said, I mean, he was answering the question 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.800 about the defense and he said, we can't stop the 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.720 run if you can't stop the run. He can't do anything, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.720 and that's you know, basic football, one on one right there. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.400 Then he said there will be some personnel changes, so 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.760 you know, you'd like to think it's going to start 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.560 right there of the guys that are stopping the run. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.080 He also was asked later about specifically ever since Griffin, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.720 Dontari Po, Darryl Worley, who I guess reportedly are being 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.480 shopped around. He answered about Griffin, he said, I don't 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.919 know about the other guys, So I'm just gonna put 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.640 those together and think that Dontari Po is probably not 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.280 going to be in the mix. And you can just 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.560 look at the play snap and you can kind of 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.840 figure that out. So that might be one change. Ye, Amber, 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.760 So my personnel, are you specially when we're talking about players, yes? 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.840 Or is any coaching involved here? When I hear personnel, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.560 my first thought as players. Now, maybe he was alluding 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.120 to coaches too, but I would assume he's talking about players. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.799 I guess let's let's for the second, let's focus this 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:22.160 on the players. Well, to me, it's still very confusing 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.919 because I think they're they're like contradicting comments here with 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.320 that one and then you keep hearing about them saying 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.520 they have the right kind of guys player wise, they 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.480 have the right kind of coaching, and then oh, it's 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.120 gonna take time to kind of mend everyone to get 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.160 there and make it work. So to me, it's it's 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.880 very confusing. I wish that would be more a little 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.240 bit more outspoken on what we have all been seeing 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.880 in these past games, because it's there's so much blame 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.200 to go around, and it's hard to point out or 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.680 try to figure out exactly who that year would be. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.440 Who would you want to change? And I post this 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:09.440 question on Twitter to people because what trade or what 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.320 guy could you cut that would make your team better 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.640 this year? Because the thing is, are you trying to 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.120 make the team better this year or are you preparing 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.120 for the future. And it's like, you can't really do 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.960 that or make it appear that way, because then you 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.560 can insinuating that you're taking the season and that's definitely 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.600 not a good look and you can't just put that 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.560 out there like that. So I'm just having a hard 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.160 time trying to wrap my head around all this and 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.400 figure out what exactly he meant by that and what 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:45.400 the right move would be at this point, Dave, I'm 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.479 with Nick. I I mean, I know he said it, 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.200 and I guess it's interesting, but I don't really think 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.920 it's all that sexy. I think you're probably talking about, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.400 you know, Justin Hamilton and Neville Gallimore getting more snaps 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.400 over done Tari Poe and maybe Tyrone Crawford. I'd love 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.640 to see Bradley and I be active and get some 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.320 more snaps stuff like that. But I don't get the 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.039 impression that this is some type of crazy change, you know, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.880 cutting somebody notable or benching somebody notable that would surprise me. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:21.080 I think you're talking about shuffling guys that they're already shuffling. Basically, 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.240 let me ask you this question. At whatever point Sean 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.760 Lee is back and healthy and playing at a full clip, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.680 because obviously they're probably not going to just throw him 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.640 right in, they'll ease him back in. But at whatever 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.680 point you get there, do you think there's a possibility 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.200 that Cowboys decide, hey, we're not seeing what we need 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.680 to see from Jalen, we're in nickel a good majority 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.680 of the time, or we have two linebackers on the 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.880 field good majority of the time that they'll opt for 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.880 maybe having Sean and Layton Vanderesh on the field more 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.719 often than having Vanderesh and Jalen on the field. What 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.680 do you think, Dave, would I do that? Yes? Do 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.160 I think they'll do that? Not really. I mean, for 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.680 a variety of reasons. It's a bad look to basically 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.880 bench a thirteen million dollars a year player. I don't 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.520 think Jalen's reaction to that would be very good. And 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.680 you know we're already talking about locker room chemistry being 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:20.360 a problem. You probably exacerbate that issue, you know. I 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.719 always say, like ego is a huge part of this thing, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.280 and I don't think they want to admit so publicly 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.400 that a guy that's supposed to be such a big 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.359 part of their defense is that big of a problem. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.960 So for all of those reasons, I don't really think 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.720 it would happen. But if you and and that's a 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.120 very fair point, like you're not going to throw Sean 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.960 in for one hundred percent of the snaps the minute 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.560 he's healthy, But if you tell me that, like a 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.200 month from now, he's capable of playing fifty sixty snaps 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:50.159 a game, I would absolutely at least throw him in there. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.279 More often to see what he can do, because I 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.920 mean that's just as big of a part of it 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.280 as the defensive tackles. Like the linebacker plays is not 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.800 good enough. I mean, better defensive tackle play would help, 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.240 but that's not That's not the whole issue for sure, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.159 Nick Well, I mean, you can you can do that. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:12.559 You can bench Jalen Lee, j Jayleen Smith, but he'll 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.360 just be back on the field and a few plays. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.960 I mean he will. I mean, those two guys are 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.360 not gonna stay on the field. I mean what they 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.320 can just be the starters Layton and Shaun Lee as 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.640 long as you can write it, I mean, okay, well, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.720 then the next series Jaylen Smith, Beckett. That's just the 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.960 way it is. We always talk about it. Those positions 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.080 you're gonna have, you need more than two. Anyways, they 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.800 all play. Joe Thomas is gonna have to play, so 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.920 they all will play. So yeah, you can rotate it 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.520 more and and and maybe that would help them. But 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.520 I mean, I just don't think you can rely on 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.000 Layton and Shaun Lee to be the guys at linebacker. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.520 And I still don't think Jayalen Smith is is the 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.960 biggest problem out there. But like, you know, he certainly 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.960 did not do a good job of tackling in the 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.640 game the other day. I mean, he led a lot 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.560 of those those plays that he should have a lot 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.240 more tackle than he did. What do you think I 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.960 agree with Nick And going back to Dave's comment about 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.960 ego and the Cowboys maybe not really wanting to do that. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.960 I think that at this point, ego is out of 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.000 the door. If you're playing this bad, you should not 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.600 care about someone's ego. You can go sit in the 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.680 bench and watch and learn and try to figure out 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.640 how to be better once you're back on the field. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.200 But the ego, it isn't just about the player's ego. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.120 It's the coach and the and the GM's ego that 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.880 made the decision. I mean, that's the ego is the 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.079 coach didn't make this decide, he did it. And and 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.719 that's where I kind of agree with Amber here, like 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.520 I actually want to see I want to see how 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.600 coach McCarthy handles this situation where his team is playing 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.959 poorly and individual players, even some highly paid players, are 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.400 not playing well. Okaber go and finish the point. No, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.920 And I mean yes, it's it goes back to Okay, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.079 maybe not the right look for the people that brought 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.440 these players here, but at the same time, at that 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.199 point it does matter. We all make mistakes, that's fine, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.360 but what do you do to start fixing it? What 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.480 do you do to start making it better? So it's like, Okay, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.520 even though there's some blame on me, let me make 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.600 a change now. Let's let me accept the reality of 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.000 what we are all seeing on the field and try 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.000 to make some changes or at least send out a 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.520 notice or try to make some kind of statement, because 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:29.559 I feel that right now, everyone that's speaking from the Cowboys, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.000 whether that's Steven Jones, Jerry Jones, or coach Mike McCarthy, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:37.600 I feel that they're not necessarily being as vocal as 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.239 I would want them to be as far as players 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.760 in ability to perform on the field right now, and 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.920 I think that they need to put some blame on that. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.400 And you don't need to call anyone's name out specifically, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.599 but at least say it out there and make a 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.160 notice that you guys are very very aware of this too, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.520 and not keep saying, well, we have the right kind 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.719 of guy. Yeah. On that same note earlier, another thing 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.439 that Jerry said during his radio hit on one or 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.720 five O three the Fan. He said that he pointed 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.640 to injuries as the reason for their poor performances, and 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.120 he threw out the statistic that forty five percent of 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.839 their salary cap right now is going to players that 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.600 are currently out on injury. That's a lot. Is it 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.200 that simple, though? And I'm asking this question you guys, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.160 Is it that simple though? Or do you think that 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.199 this team, even with the injuries they have, the expectation 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.920 is they should be playing better than what we're seeing 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.400 on the field right now. Let's start first with you, Nick, Well, yeah, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.520 I think they should be playing better than that. I 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.240 don't think you should lose by four touchdowns to Arizona ever, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.640 you know, to anybody really four touchdowns. You shouldn't be 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:48.160 losing to Washington like that. Yeah, you're you're playing with 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.120 one hand tied behind your back. I mean forty five 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.800 percent of it and not just forty five percent. But 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.720 we're talking the key position. Oh yeah, you know, your quarterback, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.120 your left tackle, you're right tackle. I mean, I mean 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.280 that whole offensive line and the tight end and all 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.680 that stuff. But you should you should come up with 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.880 a better effort than that. You know, you gotta figure 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.560 out a way. You bring in veteran coaches who have 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.880 dealt with this before. I guarantee they sit there when 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.160 they're when they're sitting around eating and whatever, and then 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.880 they're like, oh, one time when I was in New 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.959 Orleans that this happened, or when I was in Green Bank, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.720 we did this and this we lost four guys. Cool. Well, 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.040 you know, I mean McCarthy talks about the story where 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.040 he won a game with four four guards in a 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.959 center or something like that one time. On the offensive line, well, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.640 I mean, do that fix it. It's whatever you figured out. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.960 I mean, that's that's the thing. So, yeah, injuries really 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.719 really bad, but figure out how to play more competitive 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:45.040 than that. Amber, Well, I see this US two parts. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.640 There's the offense and in the defense. On offense, yeah, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.599 you can definitely argue that injuries have for sure affected 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.600 their performance. But when you go back to a few 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.720 weeks ago when Dak was still in the field and 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.760 all that, I mean, regardless of what was going on 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.520 the old line, you could see what they were capable 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.679 of doing in the second half of the game, so 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.160 you knew that you could still make it work. Now 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.199 when you talk about the defense, I mean, what's really 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.000 the excuse there? There's none because the guys that have 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.400 been anger. I mean, is there really an argument that 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.080 you really believe that with those guys coming back that's 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.080 really gonna make an impact and a big change, that's 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.920 all of a sudden going to change their performance. I don't. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.439 I don't believe that at all. So, yes, you can 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.800 make the argument on offense right now at this point 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.680 given the fact that we don't have Dak Prescott anymore. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:38.720 But on the defense, there's absolutely no excuse, Dave. I 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.960 gotta give a lot of credit to r J Choppy 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.079 on the Fan because he actually followed Jerry up by saying, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.800 I understand, yeah, I understand the offensive woes. Who are 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.360 you missing from the defense that would be making this 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.280 big difference? Cheeto Woozier. Don't think anybody buys that he's 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.719 the difference between terrible and good. M Gerald McCoy. Same thing. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.480 You know, he's not the guy that he was ten 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.880 years ago. You cut Haha Clinton Dicks and you didn't 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.560 want Byron Jones. So yeah, what don't you have on defense? 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.280 That is, you know what, like they're that excuse does 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.800 not exist on defense, and that's the real problem because 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.520 you can, I keep bringing up twenty fifteen, go back 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.160 and look at some of those games. That is a 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.679 situation where your team scrapped for as hard as it 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.000 could for three and a half quarters and an inability 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.720 to move the ball and score points just it killed 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.680 you in the end. You know, they lost thirty to 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.800 six to the Patriots that season, but it was like, 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.760 you know, it was like seventeen to six midway through 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.760 the third quarter, like they were scrapping. This is not 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.160 what that looks like. They're getting decimated by the worst 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.280 offense in football in the first half, getting you know, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.720 zipping right down the field on the first two possessions 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.360 of the game. It's fourteen to nothing if not for 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.200 a stand on the one inch line. 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Yeah, we've been doing that here when 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.240 we have home game. I mean, I'm sorry road games. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.760 All of us that usually travel have been working here 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.080 at the Star and we'll go and get food from 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.360 out there and bring it in and been pretty good. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.880 I have to admit it's been pretty good. I'll just ask, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:03.200 has there been hot toss? You really want to talk 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.080 about that? I'm just saying hazard or I mean, was 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.800 asking it could be dangerous. Were you watching the press 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.320 conference live when it happened? No, Dave, were you watching 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.960 it live when it happened? Amber? Were you watching it live? 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.119 I was on good I was on the phone. I 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.240 didn't have the I didn't have the video up, okay, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:20.800 but I was on the phone. Yeah. What do you 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.439 think is it was a happening? Did you know what 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.080 was going on at first? Or was it just kind 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.240 of like and for those that don't know, he was 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.639 it was all the stuff that happened yesterday with the 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.800 press conference with Mike Nolan where he got hot sauce, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.520 tabasco whatever in his eye accidentally and and just had 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.520 to shut down the press conference for a few minutes 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.560 until he got it cleaned out, I guess, but did 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.680 you know what was going on? Dave? Yeah, yeah, Well 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.280 he's felled it out pretty clearly. What was going on? 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.720 He was he was mid answer about DeMarcus Lawrence, and 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.800 all of a sudden he was like, hang on a second, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.119 I think I got my eyes burning. I think I 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.520 think I accidentally rubbed some tabasco in my eye, and 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.119 he was kind of narrating it. He was like, this 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.480 is terrible, and then all of a sudden, the line, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.159 the line goes dark, and so like you know, obviously 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.120 you know those of us in the media, we all 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.320 talk to each other. So I'm like texting around to 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.080 all some of the other beat writers like did did 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.199 they hang up? Like is the call over? Is he 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:19.199 coming back? What's going on? And at that point you 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.560 just can't help but laugh because it's I mean, that's 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.560 just the type of season this is. And of course 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.879 he's okay, Mike PHE's okay, And of course at that 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.520 moment you got Clarence and Macholda, they're tweeting it, and 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.040 I'm like, oh god, what's going on? And that's when 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.760 I jumped on, like what am I missing you? What's 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.560 going on. But no, it's pretty pretty interesting it. They 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.040 did save his eye, so that's a good thing. Let's 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.040 talk about this defense though. Well, I didn't know if 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.080 Amber had something to add to that, but all I 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:46.679 was gonna say if this was if they were winning, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.399 I mean, this is what d Law and those guys, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.399 you know, make him an honorary member of the Hot Boys, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.719 you know. I mean, you have some fun with this 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.760 type of stuff. I mean, he comes back and starts 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.119 talking about why Trayvon did gave up a touchdown is 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.879 because he's his eyes failed him. I'm like, oh, Shannon 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.040 Screw will be making all kinds of cool little memes 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.919 and videos if we were winning, but you know you 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.640 can't do that when you're losing. Did you have something 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:14.040 on that, Amber? No. I honestly felt terrible because out 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.120 of all the people write it happens to him specifically 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.200 who was being on. There's so much criticism this year, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.440 so it was hilarious, but at the same time, I 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.560 did feel really bad for him. We didn't we didn't 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.399 end up using the headline nick, but I thought it 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.040 was we could say it on the air like that 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:33.960 was actually gonna be a really good headline if we 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.320 would have used it, Rob, this is the one that 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.959 came up with this. I think hot mess. I mean, like, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.200 what else is there then? But you know, people talk 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.800 about TMI a lot, you know, and kind of gross stuff. Yeah, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.879 that's TMI. I mean, why do you have to say that. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.800 You're just being too honest. You're like, guys, hold, I'm 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:54.359 just saying it'll be I'll be right back something if 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.960 no one says anything, but if you specifically mentioned it, 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.119 it just you just asking for it. I don't know, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.720 all right, So let's let's talk about this defense. And 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.320 I think Mike Nolan becomes a part of the conversation 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.919 because I started thinking about this and you guys, one 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:12.760 of you guys just mentioned a little earlier that the 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.600 guys on defense that aren't here from last year. You 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.120 got Byron Jones, who, as Dave said, they didn't want 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.080 Clearly they didn't want him at the price that he 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.920 was gonna cost price. Jeff Heath is no longer here, 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.080 Malik Collins is no longer here, Robert Quinn is no 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.320 longer here. These were guys at buying large. I don't 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.440 think the Cowboys wanted at the price that they were 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.040 gonna get on the free agent market. Um, and so 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.119 my question for you guys is who's been missed more 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.080 the players that are no longer here or the defensive 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.560 coordinator that's no longer here and Rod Marinella who's now 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.320 with the Las Vegas Raiders. Let's start first with you Amber. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.840 That's tough because last year we were complaining about the defense. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:59.120 So it sucks that we're at this point talking about, Yeah, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.120