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Speaker 1: It is two the October twenty second, twenty seventh I'm Sorry,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode number fifty two. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break. We are alive from
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We've got
Speaker 1: Nick amber Gave, and we are gonna get honest with
Speaker 1: you guys today. We're gonna talk about this team and
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit a lot of different topics. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the coaching, We're gonna talk about the defense,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about special teams. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything on this show. And so
Speaker 1: I want to start first though, with Jerry Jones. He
Speaker 1: had his weekly or one of his weekly sit downs
Speaker 1: with the folks from one or five out three the
Speaker 1: fan here locally in Dallas Sean and RJ's show in
Speaker 1: the morning and had some interesting things to say. The
Speaker 1: funniest part though, obviously, and I know this is for
Speaker 1: those of you that that follow a lot of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys beat writers on social media. I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 1: by now that Jerry had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: moment where he's he was a little upset, a little frustrated,
Speaker 1: and even though admitted at the end he's a little
Speaker 1: upset and frustrated, but but you know, it kind of
Speaker 1: came out boiled over a little bit there with some
Speaker 1: of the questioning. But I want to start first with
Speaker 1: a question that Jerry was asked where he kind of volunteered.
Speaker 1: They were talking about the run defense, and he volunteered
Speaker 1: that there will be some personnel changes, and so let's
Speaker 1: start looking at it from that standpoint. First, we know
Speaker 1: they're problems for this team all year stopping the run. Nick,
Speaker 1: what do you think or who do you think maybe
Speaker 1: the target of some of the personnel changes or should
Speaker 1: be some of the targets these personnel changes. Well, just
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, he was answering the question
Speaker 1: about the defense and he said, we can't stop the
Speaker 1: run if you can't stop the run. He can't do anything,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, basic football, one on one right there.
Speaker 1: Then he said there will be some personnel changes, so
Speaker 1: you know, you'd like to think it's going to start
Speaker 1: right there of the guys that are stopping the run.
Speaker 1: He also was asked later about specifically ever since Griffin,
Speaker 1: Dontari Po, Darryl Worley, who I guess reportedly are being
Speaker 1: shopped around. He answered about Griffin, he said, I don't
Speaker 1: know about the other guys, So I'm just gonna put
Speaker 1: those together and think that Dontari Po is probably not
Speaker 1: going to be in the mix. And you can just
Speaker 1: look at the play snap and you can kind of
Speaker 1: figure that out. So that might be one change. Ye, Amber,
Speaker 1: So my personnel, are you specially when we're talking about players, yes?
Speaker 1: Or is any coaching involved here? When I hear personnel,
Speaker 1: my first thought as players. Now, maybe he was alluding
Speaker 1: to coaches too, but I would assume he's talking about players.
Speaker 1: I guess let's let's for the second, let's focus this
Speaker 1: on the players. Well, to me, it's still very confusing
Speaker 1: because I think they're they're like contradicting comments here with
Speaker 1: that one and then you keep hearing about them saying
Speaker 1: they have the right kind of guys player wise, they
Speaker 1: have the right kind of coaching, and then oh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna take time to kind of mend everyone to get
Speaker 1: there and make it work. So to me, it's it's
Speaker 1: very confusing. I wish that would be more a little
Speaker 1: bit more outspoken on what we have all been seeing
Speaker 1: in these past games, because it's there's so much blame
Speaker 1: to go around, and it's hard to point out or
Speaker 1: try to figure out exactly who that year would be.
Speaker 1: Who would you want to change? And I post this
Speaker 1: question on Twitter to people because what trade or what
Speaker 1: guy could you cut that would make your team better
Speaker 1: this year? Because the thing is, are you trying to
Speaker 1: make the team better this year or are you preparing
Speaker 1: for the future. And it's like, you can't really do
Speaker 1: that or make it appear that way, because then you
Speaker 1: can insinuating that you're taking the season and that's definitely
Speaker 1: not a good look and you can't just put that
Speaker 1: out there like that. So I'm just having a hard
Speaker 1: time trying to wrap my head around all this and
Speaker 1: figure out what exactly he meant by that and what
Speaker 1: the right move would be at this point, Dave, I'm
Speaker 1: with Nick. I I mean, I know he said it,
Speaker 1: and I guess it's interesting, but I don't really think
Speaker 1: it's all that sexy. I think you're probably talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, Justin Hamilton and Neville Gallimore getting more snaps
Speaker 1: over done Tari Poe and maybe Tyrone Crawford. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see Bradley and I be active and get some
Speaker 1: more snaps stuff like that. But I don't get the
Speaker 1: impression that this is some type of crazy change, you know,
Speaker 1: cutting somebody notable or benching somebody notable that would surprise me.
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about shuffling guys that they're already shuffling. Basically,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. At whatever point Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is back and healthy and playing at a full clip,
Speaker 1: because obviously they're probably not going to just throw him
Speaker 1: right in, they'll ease him back in. But at whatever
Speaker 1: point you get there, do you think there's a possibility
Speaker 1: that Cowboys decide, hey, we're not seeing what we need
Speaker 1: to see from Jalen, we're in nickel a good majority
Speaker 1: of the time, or we have two linebackers on the
Speaker 1: field good majority of the time that they'll opt for
Speaker 1: maybe having Sean and Layton Vanderesh on the field more
Speaker 1: often than having Vanderesh and Jalen on the field. What
Speaker 1: do you think, Dave, would I do that? Yes? Do
Speaker 1: I think they'll do that? Not really. I mean, for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. It's a bad look to basically
Speaker 1: bench a thirteen million dollars a year player. I don't
Speaker 1: think Jalen's reaction to that would be very good. And
Speaker 1: you know we're already talking about locker room chemistry being
Speaker 1: a problem. You probably exacerbate that issue, you know. I
Speaker 1: always say, like ego is a huge part of this thing,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they want to admit so publicly
Speaker 1: that a guy that's supposed to be such a big
Speaker 1: part of their defense is that big of a problem.
Speaker 1: So for all of those reasons, I don't really think
Speaker 1: it would happen. But if you and and that's a
Speaker 1: very fair point, like you're not going to throw Sean
Speaker 1: in for one hundred percent of the snaps the minute
Speaker 1: he's healthy, But if you tell me that, like a
Speaker 1: month from now, he's capable of playing fifty sixty snaps
Speaker 1: a game, I would absolutely at least throw him in there.
Speaker 1: More often to see what he can do, because I
Speaker 1: mean that's just as big of a part of it
Speaker 1: as the defensive tackles. Like the linebacker plays is not
Speaker 1: good enough. I mean, better defensive tackle play would help,
Speaker 1: but that's not That's not the whole issue for sure,
Speaker 1: Nick Well, I mean, you can you can do that.
Speaker 1: You can bench Jalen Lee, j Jayleen Smith, but he'll
Speaker 1: just be back on the field and a few plays.
Speaker 1: I mean he will. I mean, those two guys are
Speaker 1: not gonna stay on the field. I mean what they
Speaker 1: can just be the starters Layton and Shaun Lee as
Speaker 1: long as you can write it, I mean, okay, well,
Speaker 1: then the next series Jaylen Smith, Beckett. That's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. We always talk about it. Those positions
Speaker 1: you're gonna have, you need more than two. Anyways, they
Speaker 1: all play. Joe Thomas is gonna have to play, so
Speaker 1: they all will play. So yeah, you can rotate it
Speaker 1: more and and and maybe that would help them. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think you can rely on
Speaker 1: Layton and Shaun Lee to be the guys at linebacker.
Speaker 1: And I still don't think Jayalen Smith is is the
Speaker 1: biggest problem out there. But like, you know, he certainly
Speaker 1: did not do a good job of tackling in the
Speaker 1: game the other day. I mean, he led a lot
Speaker 1: of those those plays that he should have a lot
Speaker 1: more tackle than he did. What do you think I
Speaker 1: agree with Nick And going back to Dave's comment about
Speaker 1: ego and the Cowboys maybe not really wanting to do that.
Speaker 1: I think that at this point, ego is out of
Speaker 1: the door. If you're playing this bad, you should not
Speaker 1: care about someone's ego. You can go sit in the
Speaker 1: bench and watch and learn and try to figure out
Speaker 1: how to be better once you're back on the field.
Speaker 1: But the ego, it isn't just about the player's ego.
Speaker 1: It's the coach and the and the GM's ego that
Speaker 1: made the decision. I mean, that's the ego is the
Speaker 1: coach didn't make this decide, he did it. And and
Speaker 1: that's where I kind of agree with Amber here, like
Speaker 1: I actually want to see I want to see how
Speaker 1: coach McCarthy handles this situation where his team is playing
Speaker 1: poorly and individual players, even some highly paid players, are
Speaker 1: not playing well. Okaber go and finish the point. No,
Speaker 1: And I mean yes, it's it goes back to Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe not the right look for the people that brought
Speaker 1: these players here, but at the same time, at that
Speaker 1: point it does matter. We all make mistakes, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but what do you do to start fixing it? What
Speaker 1: do you do to start making it better? So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: even though there's some blame on me, let me make
Speaker 1: a change now. Let's let me accept the reality of
Speaker 1: what we are all seeing on the field and try
Speaker 1: to make some changes or at least send out a
Speaker 1: notice or try to make some kind of statement, because
Speaker 1: I feel that right now, everyone that's speaking from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: whether that's Steven Jones, Jerry Jones, or coach Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: I feel that they're not necessarily being as vocal as
Speaker 1: I would want them to be as far as players
Speaker 1: in ability to perform on the field right now, and
Speaker 1: I think that they need to put some blame on that.
Speaker 1: And you don't need to call anyone's name out specifically,
Speaker 1: but at least say it out there and make a
Speaker 1: notice that you guys are very very aware of this too,
Speaker 1: and not keep saying, well, we have the right kind
Speaker 1: of guy. Yeah. On that same note earlier, another thing
Speaker 1: that Jerry said during his radio hit on one or
Speaker 1: five O three the Fan. He said that he pointed
Speaker 1: to injuries as the reason for their poor performances, and
Speaker 1: he threw out the statistic that forty five percent of
Speaker 1: their salary cap right now is going to players that
Speaker 1: are currently out on injury. That's a lot. Is it
Speaker 1: that simple, though? And I'm asking this question you guys,
Speaker 1: Is it that simple though? Or do you think that
Speaker 1: this team, even with the injuries they have, the expectation
Speaker 1: is they should be playing better than what we're seeing
Speaker 1: on the field right now. Let's start first with you, Nick, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they should be playing better than that. I
Speaker 1: don't think you should lose by four touchdowns to Arizona ever,
Speaker 1: you know, to anybody really four touchdowns. You shouldn't be
Speaker 1: losing to Washington like that. Yeah, you're you're playing with
Speaker 1: one hand tied behind your back. I mean forty five
Speaker 1: percent of it and not just forty five percent. But
Speaker 1: we're talking the key position. Oh yeah, you know, your quarterback,
Speaker 1: your left tackle, you're right tackle. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: that whole offensive line and the tight end and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But you should you should come up with
Speaker 1: a better effort than that. You know, you gotta figure
Speaker 1: out a way. You bring in veteran coaches who have
Speaker 1: dealt with this before. I guarantee they sit there when
Speaker 1: they're when they're sitting around eating and whatever, and then
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, one time when I was in New
Speaker 1: Orleans that this happened, or when I was in Green Bank,
Speaker 1: we did this and this we lost four guys. Cool. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean McCarthy talks about the story where
Speaker 1: he won a game with four four guards in a
Speaker 1: center or something like that one time. On the offensive line, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, do that fix it. It's whatever you figured out.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the thing. So, yeah, injuries really
Speaker 1: really bad, but figure out how to play more competitive
Speaker 1: than that. Amber, Well, I see this US two parts.
Speaker 1: There's the offense and in the defense. On offense, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can definitely argue that injuries have for sure affected
Speaker 1: their performance. But when you go back to a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago when Dak was still in the field and
Speaker 1: all that, I mean, regardless of what was going on
Speaker 1: the old line, you could see what they were capable
Speaker 1: of doing in the second half of the game, so
Speaker 1: you knew that you could still make it work. Now
Speaker 1: when you talk about the defense, I mean, what's really
Speaker 1: the excuse there? There's none because the guys that have
Speaker 1: been anger. I mean, is there really an argument that
Speaker 1: you really believe that with those guys coming back that's
Speaker 1: really gonna make an impact and a big change, that's
Speaker 1: all of a sudden going to change their performance. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. So, yes, you can
Speaker 1: make the argument on offense right now at this point
Speaker 1: given the fact that we don't have Dak Prescott anymore.
Speaker 1: But on the defense, there's absolutely no excuse, Dave. I
Speaker 1: gotta give a lot of credit to r J Choppy
Speaker 1: on the Fan because he actually followed Jerry up by saying,
Speaker 1: I understand, yeah, I understand the offensive woes. Who are
Speaker 1: you missing from the defense that would be making this
Speaker 1: big difference? Cheeto Woozier. Don't think anybody buys that he's
Speaker 1: the difference between terrible and good. M Gerald McCoy. Same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not the guy that he was ten
Speaker 1: years ago. You cut Haha Clinton Dicks and you didn't
Speaker 1: want Byron Jones. So yeah, what don't you have on defense?
Speaker 1: That is, you know what, like they're that excuse does
Speaker 1: not exist on defense, and that's the real problem because
Speaker 1: you can, I keep bringing up twenty fifteen, go back
Speaker 1: and look at some of those games. That is a
Speaker 1: situation where your team scrapped for as hard as it
Speaker 1: could for three and a half quarters and an inability
Speaker 1: to move the ball and score points just it killed
Speaker 1: you in the end. You know, they lost thirty to
Speaker 1: six to the Patriots that season, but it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like seventeen to six midway through
Speaker 1: the third quarter, like they were scrapping. This is not
Speaker 1: what that looks like. They're getting decimated by the worst
Speaker 1: offense in football in the first half, getting you know,
Speaker 1: zipping right down the field on the first two possessions
Speaker 1: of the game. It's fourteen to nothing if not for
Speaker 1: a stand on the one inch line. It's just no there,
Speaker 1: there's no excuse for that. And they for the most part,
Speaker 1: have the personnel that they would prefer to have, and
Speaker 1: it's I mean to say they're not getting the job
Speaker 1: done as a massive understatement. We're gonna take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back. I'm gonna ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: the question on the defensive side of the ball, is
Speaker 1: it the players that they don't have, or is it
Speaker 1: maybe the defensive coordinator that they no longer have. We'll
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Speaker 1: has there been hot toss? You really want to talk
Speaker 1: about that? I'm just saying hazard or I mean, was
Speaker 1: asking it could be dangerous. Were you watching the press
Speaker 1: conference live when it happened? No, Dave, were you watching
Speaker 1: it live when it happened? Amber? Were you watching it live?
Speaker 1: I was on good I was on the phone. I
Speaker 1: didn't have the I didn't have the video up, okay,
Speaker 1: but I was on the phone. Yeah. What do you
Speaker 1: think is it was a happening? Did you know what
Speaker 1: was going on at first? Or was it just kind
Speaker 1: of like and for those that don't know, he was
Speaker 1: it was all the stuff that happened yesterday with the
Speaker 1: press conference with Mike Nolan where he got hot sauce,
Speaker 1: tabasco whatever in his eye accidentally and and just had
Speaker 1: to shut down the press conference for a few minutes
Speaker 1: until he got it cleaned out, I guess, but did
Speaker 1: you know what was going on? Dave? Yeah, yeah, Well
Speaker 1: he's felled it out pretty clearly. What was going on?
Speaker 1: He was he was mid answer about DeMarcus Lawrence, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he was like, hang on a second,
Speaker 1: I think I got my eyes burning. I think I
Speaker 1: think I accidentally rubbed some tabasco in my eye, and
Speaker 1: he was kind of narrating it. He was like, this
Speaker 1: is terrible, and then all of a sudden, the line,
Speaker 1: the line goes dark, and so like you know, obviously
Speaker 1: you know those of us in the media, we all
Speaker 1: talk to each other. So I'm like texting around to
Speaker 1: all some of the other beat writers like did did
Speaker 1: they hang up? Like is the call over? Is he
Speaker 1: coming back? What's going on? And at that point you
Speaker 1: just can't help but laugh because it's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just the type of season this is. And of course
Speaker 1: he's okay, Mike PHE's okay, And of course at that
Speaker 1: moment you got Clarence and Macholda, they're tweeting it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, what's going on? And that's when
Speaker 1: I jumped on, like what am I missing you? What's
Speaker 1: going on. But no, it's pretty pretty interesting it. They
Speaker 1: did save his eye, so that's a good thing. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about this defense though. Well, I didn't know if
Speaker 1: Amber had something to add to that, but all I
Speaker 1: was gonna say if this was if they were winning,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what d Law and those guys,
Speaker 1: you know, make him an honorary member of the Hot Boys,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you have some fun with this
Speaker 1: type of stuff. I mean, he comes back and starts
Speaker 1: talking about why Trayvon did gave up a touchdown is
Speaker 1: because he's his eyes failed him. I'm like, oh, Shannon
Speaker 1: Screw will be making all kinds of cool little memes
Speaker 1: and videos if we were winning, but you know you
Speaker 1: can't do that when you're losing. Did you have something
Speaker 1: on that, Amber? No. I honestly felt terrible because out
Speaker 1: of all the people write it happens to him specifically
Speaker 1: who was being on. There's so much criticism this year,
Speaker 1: so it was hilarious, but at the same time, I
Speaker 1: did feel really bad for him. We didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: end up using the headline nick, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was we could say it on the air like that
Speaker 1: was actually gonna be a really good headline if we
Speaker 1: would have used it, Rob, this is the one that
Speaker 1: came up with this. I think hot mess. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what else is there then? But you know, people talk
Speaker 1: about TMI a lot, you know, and kind of gross stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's TMI. I mean, why do you have to say that.
Speaker 1: You're just being too honest. You're like, guys, hold, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it'll be I'll be right back something if
Speaker 1: no one says anything, but if you specifically mentioned it,
Speaker 1: it just you just asking for it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's let's talk about this defense. And
Speaker 1: I think Mike Nolan becomes a part of the conversation
Speaker 1: because I started thinking about this and you guys, one
Speaker 1: of you guys just mentioned a little earlier that the
Speaker 1: guys on defense that aren't here from last year. You
Speaker 1: got Byron Jones, who, as Dave said, they didn't want
Speaker 1: Clearly they didn't want him at the price that he
Speaker 1: was gonna cost price. Jeff Heath is no longer here,
Speaker 1: Malik Collins is no longer here, Robert Quinn is no
Speaker 1: longer here. These were guys at buying large. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys wanted at the price that they were
Speaker 1: gonna get on the free agent market. Um, and so
Speaker 1: my question for you guys is who's been missed more
Speaker 1: the players that are no longer here or the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator that's no longer here and Rod Marinella who's now
Speaker 1: with the Las Vegas Raiders. Let's start first with you Amber.
Speaker 1: That's tough because last year we were complaining about the defense.
Speaker 1: So it sucks that we're at this point talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which which of the two bad do you want? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess we all rather take what we had last year.
Speaker 1: But that's a tough one. And you can talk about
Speaker 1: the talent and all that, or the lack of talent
Speaker 1: on the field, but there has to be a good
Speaker 1: portion of blame in the coaching staff because there's no way,
Speaker 1: and I get it, we've seen a lot of things
Speaker 1: that these players haven't been able to do on the field.
Speaker 1: Things are basics when you come about to talk about
Speaker 1: tackling and all that little things. But still, there's no
Speaker 1: way that you can tell me that all of these
Speaker 1: defensive players playing in the NFL are this bad because
Speaker 1: of a lack of talent. I mean, there has to
Speaker 1: be something to say about the coaching and the lack
Speaker 1: of motivation. I'm not in the meetings. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it all works in there, but you need someone
Speaker 1: that has a strong, a very strong voice that it's
Speaker 1: intimidating that you don't want to look bad or do
Speaker 1: anything bad in that person's eyes. So I think that that, Yes,
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli, one thing he had was fire and passion,
Speaker 1: and we always heard about his little presentations that he
Speaker 1: would do and and create to motivate the players. So yes,
Speaker 1: I do think that I miss him. I miss him
Speaker 1: right now. So yeah, Dave, I don't really want to
Speaker 1: hear this revisionist stuff because like all I can all
Speaker 1: I can think of, not all I can think of
Speaker 1: when we talk about this is like through the spring
Speaker 1: and summer, when guys were saying, like, we're gonna disguise
Speaker 1: more stuff. You know, the last guys just rolled the
Speaker 1: ball out there and it was straightforward and we do
Speaker 1: what we do, and like you can take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: So like, teams aren't going to know what's coming this
Speaker 1: time around, and we're gonna be better for it. So
Speaker 1: don't come at me like all of a sudden it's
Speaker 1: terrible because it's not working and by the way, Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli was fiery. Chris Richard was even more fiery, And
Speaker 1: all of this crap happened to him last year. It
Speaker 1: didn't happen as frequently as it's happening this year, but
Speaker 1: it still happened. Um, Robbie Anderson, New York Jets, anybody,
Speaker 1: Yeah this year, Dave, they're they're historically bad. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: different than they're so they they are so much worse,
Speaker 1: I understand, but these problems were still there. Like you
Speaker 1: had your your linebacker play regressed, your defensive line didn't
Speaker 1: make as much of an impact as you preferred, the
Speaker 1: secondary was not great, and they are much worse this year.
Speaker 1: But these problems were manifesting themselves under Rod Marinelli as well.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, in Rod Marinelli's tenure, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's obviously, he's a great coach. I
Speaker 1: love talking to him. He's a super nice guy. But
Speaker 1: they fielded like one above average defense during his time here,
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to hear that. I just don't
Speaker 1: think these guys are adapting as well. I don't think
Speaker 1: these guys are adapting as well to what Nolan's asking
Speaker 1: him to do, and I don't think Nolan's adapting very
Speaker 1: well to them not adapting. So that's pretty much where
Speaker 1: I'm at. But I don't think Rod Marinelli's defense is
Speaker 1: like a cure all by any means that Nick, I mean,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath, I think that. I think he's been missed
Speaker 1: for sure. But that's that's one of the things I
Speaker 1: take a little exception to because the way they're using
Speaker 1: him in Las Vegas is different than how they were
Speaker 1: using him here. He's not a starter there. He's a
Speaker 1: rotational guy, which I think if they were going to
Speaker 1: use him as a rotational guy here, great, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's an every down starter. Well are you saying
Speaker 1: they miss him as a starter or they missed him
Speaker 1: just being on the team. Well, I've seen Steven Parker
Speaker 1: have to play safety and Donovan Wilson, So yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a starter here. He would be a starter, and he'd
Speaker 1: be a good starter here. You can't tell me that, Donovan.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's but I don't think he's been
Speaker 1: a good starter than the years he's been here, So
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna expect he'd be a good
Speaker 1: starter now. He'd be a part of all the stuff
Speaker 1: that's going wrong. I think I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: He would be way better than what you have. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a great player, but he would be way
Speaker 1: better than than this. And for for him to make
Speaker 1: three million a year, I mean they're paying they're paying
Speaker 1: worthy a million and a half. I mean, like they
Speaker 1: could have they could have kept him here, and I
Speaker 1: think I think in hindsight, yeah, it would have been better.
Speaker 1: I would have I would have us two last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, like that jet skin, that was his work too.
Speaker 1: I mean that's all I'm saying is I don't think
Speaker 1: he is. You're right, he probably if you just say
Speaker 1: play for play, he's better. If you want to grade him,
Speaker 1: then maybe what they have right now, I don't think
Speaker 1: it makes a difference at the point where his deference
Speaker 1: looks different. If he's on the team, well, he would
Speaker 1: have been a better I think he would have been
Speaker 1: better than resigning Darian Thompson or resigning or even signing haha.
Speaker 1: I mean I would have rather signed him, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just one of them. Quinn. I mean
Speaker 1: that that they miss him big time. They miss Byron. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I didn't expect him to miss him as much. Well,
Speaker 1: the only thing you could do there is just just
Speaker 1: know that CD's gonna fall to you. If you know
Speaker 1: CD's gonna fall to you, then go ahead and do it,
Speaker 1: and don't don't resign let him Mari, go let himri
Speaker 1: Goo and and then and then franchise Byron Jones and
Speaker 1: then he then he CV falls in your lap. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that one. Yea. At this point, if
Speaker 1: there was any one of those guys, any of those
Speaker 1: players that you could have back, is it Byron across
Speaker 1: the board? Well, like without even thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're always gonna take the seventeen million guy
Speaker 1: over all the others because they don't even combine the
Speaker 1: seventeen million a year. So yeah, you take him. But
Speaker 1: but I mean, and he's been missed big time. Quinn's
Speaker 1: been missed, Lee Collins been missed, Jeff He's been missed.
Speaker 1: All those guys have been missed. Yeah. I wonder how
Speaker 1: much difference Malie Collins would make, because I don't know
Speaker 1: that I necessarily saw Malie get pushed around a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't think he made enough plays for people. That
Speaker 1: was the problem most people had with Malie Collins. He's
Speaker 1: at a three technique. He wanted him to make more plays.
Speaker 1: But I don't remember him just getting completely pushed around
Speaker 1: a lot. But I don't know. You guys never seen
Speaker 1: that different. No, he was. He was pretty good. That's
Speaker 1: especially a training camp. He was really good training a
Speaker 1: training camp. Guy. Um, you know what, I'll say one
Speaker 1: thing here and I and this Dave and I will
Speaker 1: both agreed on when he said it like this was
Speaker 1: music to our ears that I don't I don't have
Speaker 1: a scheme. We don't have one thing. We build the
Speaker 1: scheme around the players. We all love that. I was
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to say that. I think
Speaker 1: that is actually biding them right now because they don't
Speaker 1: have anything to hang their hat on. They don't do anything.
Speaker 1: They need to do something like they need to say
Speaker 1: this is kind of what we do. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips has the answer, but when you hire a
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, you know exactly what you're getting. You know
Speaker 1: what you're getting with Rod Marinelli, and I think the
Speaker 1: players know it as well. So yess it might be
Speaker 1: simple to some degree, but it is the scheme and
Speaker 1: there's a reason why you do that. And so I'm
Speaker 1: kind of starting to wonder if that that that whole
Speaker 1: we build it around is not such a good especially
Speaker 1: in the pandemic. It's really not a good idea. So
Speaker 1: you guys have mentioned I think all of you guys
Speaker 1: have mentioned that this isn't you know, yeah, the worst
Speaker 1: this year on defense, but they were bad last year
Speaker 1: as well. At some point you have to start questioning
Speaker 1: is it just the personnel? The personnel is just not good.
Speaker 1: So here's my question for you guys looking at this
Speaker 1: defense right now. What players do you think are on
Speaker 1: this defense currently that you figure should be and not
Speaker 1: will be because I know money always factors into will be,
Speaker 1: but should be a part of their plans moving forward
Speaker 1: or should be guys that you look at and say,
Speaker 1: these are guys that need to be a part of
Speaker 1: what they continue to be, well, what they build on
Speaker 1: this defense, because what they're doing right now either they're
Speaker 1: playing at a decent level or I think that I'm
Speaker 1: giving them a little bit of deference because maybe they've
Speaker 1: just come back from injury or something like that. But
Speaker 1: how many of these guys do you think are guys
Speaker 1: that you. That should be a part of what you're
Speaker 1: doing moving forward. Let's start first, Start first with Amber.
Speaker 1: I'm at zero now I might be able to add one,
Speaker 1: but I can't wait to hear this, I know, right,
Speaker 1: I afraid to ask after yesterday. Well, okay, I'll donate Smith.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping him, okay, Randy Gregory, I'm keeping him just
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen enough just yet. I would keep
Speaker 1: I'd still keep DeMarcus Lawrence. I know, you know, he's
Speaker 1: not necessarily being so impactful as we all would like
Speaker 1: him to be. But I think he's still a guy
Speaker 1: that can do some things for you under a different
Speaker 1: kind of voice in his head. You know, he just
Speaker 1: needs to get back to that fiery, motivational type of
Speaker 1: guy that we've seen from him in previous years. Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: I'm turning him into a coach, so I guess I'll
Speaker 1: take him out and then out of that, I'm left
Speaker 1: with Dix because I think he does have the potential.
Speaker 1: It's just been a tough year on him, given the
Speaker 1: fact that he's been put in a role and having
Speaker 1: to carry so much on his back, So it's not
Speaker 1: ideal to just throw him out there. The way he's
Speaker 1: been thrown out there this year, but I still think
Speaker 1: he has some potential development that needs to happen there.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I can't think of it. I can't
Speaker 1: think of anyone else that comes to mind that has
Speaker 1: no No. But that's very unrealistic because there's no way
Speaker 1: you can get rid of that many guys on defense
Speaker 1: and just keep for So don't be so sure that's
Speaker 1: not necessarily true. How do you do that? Dave? You
Speaker 1: can remake this thing real quick if you want to
Speaker 1: between the draft and if you're willing to spend in
Speaker 1: free agency, if you're willing to sign your quarterback so
Speaker 1: you can free up some cap space so you're not
Speaker 1: carrying a forty million dollar hit all at once, you
Speaker 1: can definitely, I mean, you could remake this thing real quick.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it'll be great right away, but you
Speaker 1: can turn over some personnel. I mean, think about how
Speaker 1: many guys on this defense or in contract years as
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I have a lot of expectation that
Speaker 1: this thing is going to look real different in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Again, not necessarily saying it'll be better, but different.
Speaker 1: How would not play into the whole thing that you
Speaker 1: still have Dak's contract that you still dealing with, and
Speaker 1: then on top of that, all the issues that are
Speaker 1: happening in the old line. I don't really like the
Speaker 1: O line doesn't really bother me as much as it
Speaker 1: might bother some other people. I mean, Tyrn and Lyle
Speaker 1: are under contract, and you know, we'll see what their
Speaker 1: progress is. I mean, Joe Looney is really the only
Speaker 1: guy on the offensive line who doesn't have a deaf
Speaker 1: you know, a definitive future right now. So those guys
Speaker 1: need to get healthy and maybe we'll look at the
Speaker 1: draft for that. But I'm not sweating that. The Dack
Speaker 1: thing is curious because you could go a long way
Speaker 1: toward helping your ability to you know, shuffle the roster
Speaker 1: if he's got a smaller number than thirty eight million.
Speaker 1: I can't predict how that's going to happen, though, Nick, Well,
Speaker 1: that that right there is a whole conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: that whole deck thing, and you know, just to see
Speaker 1: how bad things get, I mean, because if they get
Speaker 1: really bad and you're picking really high, no, what do
Speaker 1: you mean day started having that conversation. We'll say that
Speaker 1: to another day, Jarry. That's a whole show. Jerry and Stephen.
Speaker 1: That's that's a whole show. That is a whole show. Jerry,
Speaker 1: Stephen and Mine McCarthy aren't doing their job if they
Speaker 1: don't consider it. Yes, you have to consider it. Her.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a smart idea. But go ahead.
Speaker 1: You can fix the defense real quick if you do that.
Speaker 1: That's my point. Okay, we're over here implying everybody knows
Speaker 1: what we're talking. Well, I mean everybody. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're sitting there that high and you
Speaker 1: get a cheap quarterback, I mean, I get it, that
Speaker 1: changes everything. But you can also get a ransom of picks.
Speaker 1: So if you give up that spot. Yeah, okay, uh
Speaker 1: I she was naming a bunch of guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: or not a bunch, not a bunch, just a few
Speaker 1: and you got five am Yeah, and I you know,
Speaker 1: or I changed the question a little bit because it's
Speaker 1: so unrealistic to answer it that way. But I kind
Speaker 1: of changed it to the new team in San Antonio,
Speaker 1: I guess which is the Cowboys with hate. But if
Speaker 1: there was an expansion team and they were plucking players
Speaker 1: and they look at the Cowboys defense, I mean, who
Speaker 1: would they go get Diggs? Diggs would be a good
Speaker 1: fourth corner, fifth corner a little bit. Diggs maybe, Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill and Gallamore and Rayton Vanderesh maybe, But I mean
Speaker 1: that's who you would take if you were starting, and
Speaker 1: those just young guys. I would take Tank in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. And you said this the other day
Speaker 1: on the show. You said this other day on the
Speaker 1: radio show that you do the hit you did on
Speaker 1: one on five out three you said, you know Tank
Speaker 1: Tank as a leader. What you didn't say that I
Speaker 1: know you were thinking that you were intimating is throw
Speaker 1: me out here like as I said it, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was just gonna be just no. They didn't
Speaker 1: even catch it, I know, And I was like, Nick,
Speaker 1: say what you're trying to say. But my point is,
Speaker 1: like I agree with you Tank as a leader, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Tank necessarily leads the right way. And
Speaker 1: that's why to me, Tank is a good player. And
Speaker 1: Tank is a good player if you watch the games
Speaker 1: and really watch the nuance of the game, because he
Speaker 1: makes he makes plays, he makes things happen. It doesn't
Speaker 1: always show up on the statue the way you want
Speaker 1: it to. But he's the type of player. He is
Speaker 1: a good pressure player. I don't think you necessarily want
Speaker 1: him to be the leader of your defense. I think
Speaker 1: what you want him to be is you're hired assassin.
Speaker 1: You want him to be the guy that you got
Speaker 1: another leader that's running things and that people are following.
Speaker 1: He's the guy that you say, hey, man, stirred down,
Speaker 1: we're gonna all do our jobs. Right now, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys aren't doing their jobs, so you can't even
Speaker 1: really get him to a position where he can do
Speaker 1: something and make something happen. But we're all doing our jobs.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make something happen. And I think in a
Speaker 1: role like that, I think DeMarcus Lawrence could be a really,
Speaker 1: really good player, And so I don't to me, he
Speaker 1: is the first player I say, if I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: one guy from this defense, that's actually the guy I keep. Now,
Speaker 1: everybody doesn't like the money, because for that amount of money,
Speaker 1: you're expecting a leader. You're expecting a great player, even
Speaker 1: when everybody else isn't great. You're expecting a guy can
Speaker 1: make other guys greater. That's not necessarily who he is.
Speaker 1: So I get the money part of it, but I
Speaker 1: think just from a purest play standpoint, I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the really good pressure players in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again, I've been thinking about this a lot recently.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I've been thinking about it a lot
Speaker 1: recently that it's it's very fitting where DeMarcus Lawrence sits
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys locker room right now, and for those
Speaker 1: of y'all that don't go in the Cowboys locker room,
Speaker 1: he sits where Dad's used to sit, and I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's perfect because DeMarcus Lawrence is everything
Speaker 1: you want in a player between the lines, He's not.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the guy. You know, people always
Speaker 1: talk about Tyrn Smith, like, look to him if you
Speaker 1: want to see what it is to be a pro
Speaker 1: day in and day out, like just a great example.
Speaker 1: I don't know if DeMarcus is that guy. Des definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't that guy, but he's still a guy you want
Speaker 1: on your team. And I absolutely want Tank on this team,
Speaker 1: but there needs to he needs more of the other
Speaker 1: type of leadership around him, Like he's the guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna rally you on the field. He's maybe not the
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna set the best example Monday to Saturday.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that doesn't mean I don't want him
Speaker 1: on this team though. I think that and I said this,
Speaker 1: I think to Dave yesterday or Rob, I think they
Speaker 1: need to I don't like the whole captain's thing every week.
Speaker 1: I think that's it gets watered down when every single
Speaker 1: week there's just a different person because it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: It means nothing when you get to the game. I
Speaker 1: think this team really needs real captains. Can't don't talk
Speaker 1: about leadership if you're just gonna make it whose turn
Speaker 1: is at this time? Oh z, everyone's stand up zaverywhere
Speaker 1: to the captain tales never fails. Let's go. I mean,
Speaker 1: have about a captain, a real captain, and let the
Speaker 1: players vote decide throughout the year. And those are the
Speaker 1: guys that are that are the leaders. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna make this team different than two and five.
Speaker 1: I get it. I just think that, don't you'll be
Speaker 1: surprised when there's leadership issues when you're kind of passing
Speaker 1: the leadership had around every week. All Right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final break when we come back. I want
Speaker 1: to flip a little bit, and let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about this head coach and some of the things
Speaker 1: that he has done and whether you're at this point
Speaker 1: or second guessing at all the decision on whether you
Speaker 1: think this is a good hire or not. What do
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is the final segment of the Brake
Speaker 1: Left Nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and those
Speaker 1: of you out there listening, you aught the ultimate fans
Speaker 1: because no doubt when it gets to this part of
Speaker 1: the year, and a year like this one, this is
Speaker 1: when we find out who the pretenders are and who
Speaker 1: the real ones are? Right, so these are the real ones?
Speaker 1: Well you say that, but yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1: What all I was gonna say is this yesterday we
Speaker 1: had a lot of people on a lot of people
Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. And if they win twenty five
Speaker 1: to three against Washington, maybe not as many. Maybe. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen that before. You've seen that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: our numbers are worse on Monday in me. But still
Speaker 1: you're here, ultimate fan. Yeah, we appreciate you guys joining us.
Speaker 1: All right, so here's my question for you guys. Let's
Speaker 1: start this final segment talking about the head coach, and
Speaker 1: obviously the results have not been good, which at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, every coach is judged by the
Speaker 1: results first and foremost. But beyond that, and this is
Speaker 1: even his own self scouting, he says that he hasn't
Speaker 1: seen necessarily improvement and that's been very disappointing to him
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the season to where they are
Speaker 1: now all those things being considered, are you at all
Speaker 1: and this is with the assumption that I think I
Speaker 1: remember correctly everybody on this show was at least okay
Speaker 1: with the hiring of Mike McCarthy as the head coach
Speaker 1: at this point, are you second guessing the decision to
Speaker 1: hire Mike McCarthy as the head coach? Nicho will start
Speaker 1: with you, No, I'm not second guessing at all. I
Speaker 1: think that you know, he's uh. He was what this
Speaker 1: team needed and they needed a change, They needed a
Speaker 1: different voice, and they also needed a voice of somebody
Speaker 1: that that has has been there and has has done
Speaker 1: that in one um. And I know that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about him being carried and all that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: he hasn't won anything yet. I mean that guy and
Speaker 1: he was so great over there that they've only won one. Now,
Speaker 1: he's great, but I mean he's not like pretty good
Speaker 1: this year. They're doing good. They're doing good, and and
Speaker 1: he'll and he'll he'll mess up in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: they'll lose. I mean, you know, he's won one. This
Speaker 1: isn't Jesus Okay, he's he's won a super Bowl. He's great,
Speaker 1: he's great, but I'm just saying he's I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, it's not like he carried him that much.
Speaker 1: They won one time. Gongratulations, more than we've seen around
Speaker 1: here in a while. But no, I don't. I mean now,
Speaker 1: and I know that, I know you're gonna you love
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I know I get it. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: how do you know? You don't know that he carried him?
Speaker 1: And I'm putting words in your mouth. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're about to say. But I would hate for
Speaker 1: any boss to come to anyone this year and judge
Speaker 1: them off this year. I mean, what if somebody working
Speaker 1: behind the desk whatever or not behind the desk at home,
Speaker 1: they got fired for what they did this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can really do that so I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to be a one
Speaker 1: and done or anything. I think it's hard to really evaluate,
Speaker 1: all right, Dave, I will let me let me I'm
Speaker 1: not going to second guess the McCarthy hiring right now,
Speaker 1: especially with everything that's gone wrong. Like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it was a mistake, not saying the guy needs to
Speaker 1: lose his job. I just wanted to say, you know,
Speaker 1: they might have only won one super Bowl, but Green
Speaker 1: Bay has been in the playoffs perennially since Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: got there, and some of that was with Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: but they got to the NFC Title Game in their
Speaker 1: first year without him. So I don't know, he's pretty
Speaker 1: awesome in my opinion. He is anyway, he's awesome in
Speaker 1: my opinion too. I'm just saying he's yeah, But I
Speaker 1: just I you know, winning the Super Bowl is the
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. But actually, what I said when McCarthy was
Speaker 1: hired is get the Cowboys to that level where being
Speaker 1: in the playoffs every year is a reasonable expectation because
Speaker 1: it hasn't been here for thirty years. They have not
Speaker 1: been able to reliably make the playoffs in thirty years,
Speaker 1: and even more so than winning a super Bowl. That
Speaker 1: would be success is every year everybody in the NFL
Speaker 1: landscape is like, well, yeah, you know, Dallas will be there.
Speaker 1: They're They're always there, because that's what we've been saying
Speaker 1: about Green Bay for ten years. So that's my standard
Speaker 1: for success. Like I said, even more so than actually
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl is reaching that level of consistency.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to second guess the decision I am.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like how could you not second guess
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator higher based on what we've seen and like,
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's a unique year. I know
Speaker 1: the pandemic is terrible. It doesn't seem like it's stopping
Speaker 1: a lot of other people from playing competent defense, and
Speaker 1: that I mean, that would really be a starting point.
Speaker 1: So again, you know, October is early to call for
Speaker 1: people's jobs, But I'm curious to see how this team
Speaker 1: responds in the second half. Like, you know, you're up
Speaker 1: against the wall. You know Dack's not coming back to
Speaker 1: save you. You've got this horrible run of results. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've gotten their butts kick three or four times already,
Speaker 1: six in seven games. And how do you respond to that,
Speaker 1: because if McCarthy is a good coach who can deal
Speaker 1: with this adversity the way that we think, then they
Speaker 1: should at least be able to dig out of this
Speaker 1: and fight, and if they don't, that's really bad. I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's kind of where I'm at right now, Amber,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what they said. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not necessarily the year to kind of fully judge him,
Speaker 1: but I would say I will say this, I feel
Speaker 1: that he lacks a sense of that motivational type of
Speaker 1: leadership voice that Jason Garrett had. And I know we
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was on their lot of criticism, but one
Speaker 1: thing that he did have that was positive was the
Speaker 1: fact that he's a guy that can really motivate you,
Speaker 1: Like he's good with his words during the week and
Speaker 1: all that, and he's able to motivate players to a
Speaker 1: certain level. Yes, he didn't get you where you wanted to,
Speaker 1: but there's something that that's very important that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are lacking right now, and it's that that voice of
Speaker 1: leadership and kind of trying to bring everyone together. Some
Speaker 1: of the things that we saw in this previous game
Speaker 1: against Washington. I don't know if you guys remember that
Speaker 1: one play well, aside from the whole thing about Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton and the fact that no one really cared what
Speaker 1: happened to him. Aside from that, do you guys remember
Speaker 1: watching that one play where I don't know exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: but Antoine Woods was mad at the offense and then
Speaker 1: there was like a little pushing back and forth, and
Speaker 1: then I think someone came in. Armstrong came in to
Speaker 1: kind of get him off, and then Boots just shoved
Speaker 1: him away. It was it's still like that. That's the
Speaker 1: kind of things like, you don't do that to a teammate,
Speaker 1: like to me that you should ask, And it wasn't
Speaker 1: a big deal or anything, but still, the fact that
Speaker 1: you're shoving a teammate away like that should not be happening,
Speaker 1: and he tells me it gives me a lot more
Speaker 1: worries because, aside from from the inability to perform on
Speaker 1: the field, you have to have that kind of connection.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, yes, COVID nineteen and yes we
Speaker 1: didn't have an off season and we have a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff, but the Cowboys had a lot of advantage
Speaker 1: with the fact that they haven't faced a real outbreak
Speaker 1: or issue with COVID nineteen. Here with the team, they
Speaker 1: they've had all the kind of technology to keep communication
Speaker 1: during the off season. They have the army right next
Speaker 1: door where players were staying, so they were able to
Speaker 1: stay together during this whole process. So I think that
Speaker 1: there were a lot of little things that they still
Speaker 1: have an advantage against other teams during this hard time.
Speaker 1: So there's just a lack of just some fire in there,
Speaker 1: a lack of motivation that I personally I'm not seeing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think it's premature
Speaker 1: to want a second guest the decision because I agree
Speaker 1: with all you guys that that you know, with these
Speaker 1: unique circumstances, it's hard to make a decision to say, well,
Speaker 1: he's not the right guy. Definitively. Here's the one thing
Speaker 1: that I am interested in seeing. And Jerry mentioned it
Speaker 1: this morning on one on five Dot three the Fan.
Speaker 1: He mentioned, Uh, you know, I wanted I want to
Speaker 1: see if you know, to me, I tell the greatness
Speaker 1: of a coach by what happens when the you know
Speaker 1: what hits the fan and uh, and I think this
Speaker 1: is where we get to see from Mike McCarthy what
Speaker 1: does he do. He's at seven, he's seven games in,
Speaker 1: he's two and five. You know his team has been
Speaker 1: beaten severely in a couple of those games. What does
Speaker 1: he do at this point? Is he to kind of
Speaker 1: coach that ken and this will require him making some
Speaker 1: really tough decisions. I go back to earlier what somebody
Speaker 1: said about worrying about egos, like I think at this point,
Speaker 1: he's got to step in and say, look, I'm doing
Speaker 1: what's best for the team. If there is a player
Speaker 1: that's not playing well, doesn't mean the guy that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start playing more than him is better necessarily. What
Speaker 1: it means is if you're not going to do the
Speaker 1: job well, I got to search for someone else. That
Speaker 1: means I got to give someone else another opportunity, and
Speaker 1: if they happen to be better, great, If they don't,
Speaker 1: then we'll move on to the next guy. But I
Speaker 1: think this is where we get to find out how
Speaker 1: coach McCarthy handles these kinds of tough situations. Is he
Speaker 1: the kind of coach that can get his team to refocus?
Speaker 1: And I'm not expecting to win a lot of games
Speaker 1: down the stretch. What I am expecting if he is
Speaker 1: a good coach, is that they will be competitive and
Speaker 1: they will find a way with all the things that
Speaker 1: have gone on to get steady and to be able
Speaker 1: to be competitive in these games. And if they can't
Speaker 1: do that, then I will have a different opinion of
Speaker 1: him as a head coach than maybe what I have
Speaker 1: right now and certainly what I had at the time
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys made the higher. All right, we appreciate
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Speaker 1: Sunday night, Sunday Night Football. Until then. For Nick Eatman,
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