WEBVTT - When I Worked with John Cena at WWE 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.440 Welcome back to Wrestling with Freddie. Thank you for coming 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.040 back to us. I had a lovely winter break. I 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.360 hope you guys did as well. I went on a 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.320 trip with the Trip. Before you have kids, they're called vacations, 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.680 they're wonderful, they're fantastic, and post kids, they're called trips, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.239 and there is no such thing as a vacation until 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.880 they graduate and move out. So let's start the show. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.640 Welcome to Wrestling with Freddy. Now stuffing up for the mic. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:37.560 The host of Wrestling with Freddie, Freddie Prince Junya. But 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.800 we went to Hawaii, Home of the Rock, and it 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.800 was lovely. I felt the Mana, I felt the magic. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.160 I've always felt the magic there. Actually lived there when 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.320 I was a little kid, only for six months. My 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.199 mom was working in a hotel and she was in 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.120 the hotel industry. She was a chef and uh we 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.680 stayed on Oahu in Honolulu. But I was just a 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.000 little kid. But I guess you just get some kind 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.600 of weird connection to that place. The only thing I 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.959 could link it to that I felt similar is New 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.320 Mexico because it's such an old land. I mean, when 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.640 we were kids, we would go on field trips to 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.880 like the Anasazi ruins, which were built into walls, and 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.240 you would see civilizations that live there. There's a magic 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.400 to New Mexico. But Hawaii is a special place, I think. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.800 And the Rock talks about Mana, right, but that's that's 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.800 real because it's like lava coming from the center of 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:35.080 the earth out and it's it's it's an earth builder, 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:36.520 you know what I mean. So there's a lot of 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.120 power there and it's very humbling. And the point of 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.640 this is, when I'm an old, fat, retired guy, I'll 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.040 probably live there and I'll start my own little indie 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.960 Hawaiian Wrestling Federation. But I digress. We're back to the 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.080 show and it's gonna be no guest today. You're stuck 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.600 with Uncle Freddie and you're gonna get some stories. And 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.560 I thought we would kind of take it old school, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.680 not old school like the old days, but just old school, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:07.400 meaning three of the dudes that weren't necessarily people I 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.120 worked with, but people that had an impact on me, 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.960 that were there before me, during my time there and 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:19.080 long after. And we'd start and I've talked about John 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.760 Cena's distaste for me when I was there a little bit, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.000 but I thought we would kind of deep dive into that, um, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.480 deep dive into my relationship with with Kane, who has 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.320 mayor Glenn Jacobs. That's right, people, he is the mayor 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.280 of a small town in Tennessee and uh. And then 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.760 finally with Chris Jericho with a conversation he and I 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.400 had that really kind of broke down Vince for me, 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.320 and people go, I love your your your perspective and 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.720 your philosophy on Vince. Well, these perspectives come from experiences 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.000 with other people who are more experienced than me, and 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.760 I sort of I rely on their on their knowledge 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.799 to kind of come up with my own opinions with 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.079 live in a world today where opinions are solidified so 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:09.280 quickly because of a like button, or even worse, the retweet, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.960 because then you're you're you're reiterating something that you just 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.800 saw that must be fact. Um. But I you know, 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.799 I'm forty five, so I didn't grow up with that, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.400 and I kind of wait to make my my opinion 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.560 on someone until I have as much information as I'm 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.280 comfortable with. And my generation is just I think, maybe 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.280 comfortable with more or uncomfortable with less information. Maybe that's 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.839 a very brustly way to say it. We started at 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.640 the company and me and this other writer, Angelo, who 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.480 I've I've mentioned a couple of times on the show 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.640 before all the writers would take heat from meaning they 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.760 would catch a lot of crap from the talent, because 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.720 a lot of the old school talent doesn't think there's 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.600 a need for writers, and I tend to agree with 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.640 a lot of them, because a lot of the men 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.680 and women that are over in that company are highly 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:06.200 capable of writing or improving their own promos in ring 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.920 or backstage, and they don't really require writers. Sina. I mean, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.280 Brian Gowertz wrote for him, but Sena could write his 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.680 own promos if he wanted to, and I'm a hundred 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.840 percent certain that he did many a time, or at 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.600 least rewrote what Brian laid down for him in some 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.360 bullet points and then filled it in. They worked together, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.600 but John was a hundred percent capable as people can 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.760 see now, he's an incredibly talented actor, uh a talented 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.159 artist period. And I've always said I respected John even 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.680 though he didn't like me when I was there, because 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.480 I was an actor, which he is now, um, but 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:48.279 I always respected him because John was willing to wear 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.800 the crown during the g rated era, and that was 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.640 a crown that no top guy wanted. John made his 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.400 bones being the opposite of the Marine. John made his 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:06.840 bones being a brash, in your face, white rapper who 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.839 would talk trash to you, and you know, there was 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.080 nothing marine ish about him. And then when he became 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.880 the Marine, and he became the world champion, and he 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.080 found a gimmick that would stick right, because he's not 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.240 any of those things. He's all of those things. And 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.159 it's about finding certain personality types that you think will 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.080 make an impact. And when he found the Marine character, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.920 even when you booed him, he would take the booze 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.480 right the way a soldier would take it, the way 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.760 a soldier returning from Vietnam was was you know, yelled 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.480 at and people were throwing things that our soldiers coming home. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.039 You know, you really try. You saw John really trying 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.560 to embody that character. And other guys could have taken it, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.599 like Triple Edge could have worn that crown. But Triple 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.640 Edge didn't want to do segments in the first hour 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.880 of Raw when it was still family friendly. He wanted 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.080 to be in the last hour of SmackDown or raw 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.000 and do his d X adult stuff, the stuff that 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.359 got him over, the stuff that he always did once 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.560 he found the right character right, so he could have 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.040 taken the crown. Vince would have gladly given it to him, 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.760 but he chose not to. John took this on himself. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.359 And you, I mean, you don't have to respect that. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.800 But a guy like me is just programmed to respect 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.679 the hell out of that. So when I got there, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.360 I already had respect for John. And the first time 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.200 I met him, he called me Ashton Kutcher. So you 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.600 have to understand, I'm going in there as positive as 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.560 as a human being could possibly be. Looking at this 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.200 guy like dang man, that's that's a thankless I'm not 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.839 saying this, but in my head, I'm like this, it's 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.520 a thankless job. He's getting booed for being the good 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.360 guy so much, and you know it bugs him, and 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.560 he's been public about it now and said that, yeah, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.360 that that bothered him. Sometimes he learned to embrace it, 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.120 and when he did, they started cheering again, which is crazy, 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.520 um and a cool journey on itself. But uh, I 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.640 met him and he hated me, and it wasn't even 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.560 that he hated me. It was just like a total disregard. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.440 I think he called me Ashton Kusher and uh, you know, great, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.160 we got Ashton Kusher working here now. And I take 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.160 everything with it with a smile and uh and a chuckle. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.120 And I I don't take myself seriously, but I take 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.440 what I do very seriously. And I was there to work. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.920 And I've said this before, I don't mind earning it. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.880 So I go, yeah, and I'm I'm I'll learn it now. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.200 I never wrote anything for John because, like I said, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.640 he didn't need it, and Brian Gowertz was his guy 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.640 the same way that he was the Rocks guy. And 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.520 Brian knows what he's doing. And uh so I never 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.840 had to work with him. I worked with other talent 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.640 that he would be in segments with sometimes and sometimes 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.880 would write like a half of a segment. Believe it 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.000 or not, there would be two writers, each one writing 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.400 a different half of the segment. Don't ask me how 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.800 it works. Oh wait us in so maybe they saidn't 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.920 do that, but I, you know, dealt with him a lot. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.680 And when we it got awkward when I started the 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:14.240 acting class, so we had I've told you the stories 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:18.440 before our numbers. When we first started, and this was 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.560 before the class was real popular. But a lot of 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.760 the younger talent, the f c W which is now 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.800 an XT talent that we're coming up, they were just 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.040 looking to brush up their their acting skills, and so 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.960 we started doing scenes from movies they liked. I said, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.280 you you find any movie you want. I'm not gonna 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.960 make you do any of the crap work. You send 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.000 it to me. I'll transcribe it. I'll give it to 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.520 you a physical copy and an email so you always 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.040 have it. When you lose it, I will print you 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.160 up another one. All you have to do is the 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.040 scene work, breaking down the moments. Why is the character 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.319 saying this, what's the motivation, Let's look at the scene 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.680 on an overview, what's the obstacle and what's the goal? 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.040 What do you want and what's preventing you from getting there? 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.160 And once you start to analyze that, it's like practicing 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.160 a martial arts technique. You stop thinking about it and 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.720 you just start doing it. And that's when acting feels 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.160 more real, is when actors aren't searching for lines or 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.320 trying to remember blocking because they rehearsed and put in 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.320 the work, and that way your take one is actually 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.880 pretty damn good instead of it taking fourteen fifteen takes 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.800 because an actor was lazy. I get a little triggered 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.679 by lazy actors. If you can't tell this will turn 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.560 into a thirty minute podcast about people not knowing their ship. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.400 Uh sorry. So anyway, I was working these scenes with 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:44.160 the talent and I think it was Writer and Hawkins, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.079 and they were doing a scene from Bad Boys with 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.480 Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, which was making me laugh 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.840 before they even started, just to see these two guys 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.960 do it, and they actually did really well with the scene. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.440 And in the middle of this class this scene, John 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.080 just swing has opened the door, grabs us a folding 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.280 chair that we were all sitting in, sets it down 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.960 in between Hawkins and Rider, and sits in it and 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.679 just looks at me like what are you gonna do? 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.640 And in my head, I'm just like, what the why 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.080 would you do? Why would you make this about you? Man? 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.320 Like why wouldn't you wait until after this? Like what 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.120 why would you interrupt this? And I get answers to 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:32.760 this in a moment, but I don't say anything. I 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.760 just go, hey, man, you want to talk to me outside? 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.920 And he stands up right away and he's mugus dude, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.520 he's built like Ben Grimm from The Fantastic Four for 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.599 crying out loud. And we go outside. So I'm not 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.839 going to fight the dude. So we go outside and 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.600 I go, man, what the hell was that? And he goes, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.000 that's what I was about to ask you. So he 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:59.160 has zero respect for whatever process I'm I'm attempting to 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.840 bring to the table, right And we kind of jaw 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.640 back and forth for a minute, and he and these 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.079 are his words, and he would he would admit to 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.000 all this. It is not a bad thing. Confrontation is good. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.840 Conflict is good. That's how situations get resolved. When you 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.040 avoid it, it becomes passive aggressive, and then it carries 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.240 on and on and on, and it affects your work, 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.600 it affects their work, and then it affects the company's work, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.960 and then everyone sucks a lot of passive aggression in Hollywood. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.000 So so I'm of the opinion you should just confront 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.360 situations head on, and that's what we did. And he said, look, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.320 maybe I'm a neanderthal his words, and he says, but 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.320 I just don't see how any of this ship works. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.880 And I'm looking at him, like in my head and 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.440 look and now look in hindsight, he's out here making movies. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.760 So it's all it's a growing it's a growing experience, 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.520 learning experience for all of us in the end, whether 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.040 we recognize that or not. But I look at him 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.560 and I say, hey, man, not everybody can do you do? 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.160 All right? I'm not saying, hey, can I work with 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.600 John and can I give him acting lessons? When I 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.640 had my first meeting with Steph, I said, why the 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.800 hell weren't you Duke and g I Joe, You're the 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.840 best actor on the roster. I said, but I'm trying 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.920 to get them to a level where you're at or 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.280 close to it, because if I don't, who the hell 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.360 is And he kind of like shrugged his shoulders and 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.520 like excelled, and I said, hey man, it's not like 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.920 you're helping him out. And that kind of like tightened 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.320 up as humongous muscles, these massive shoulders that kind of 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.760 like tense stuff. And he goes, yeah or whatever, and 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.560 he walked away and I go back in and Cardona 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.280 was like, dude, I thought you guys were gonna fight, 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.040 Like bro, I'm not trying to fight the incredible hulk Man. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:48.120 Shut up. So we finished the class, and uh, I didn't. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.680 We have our taping of whatever show was that day, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.040 Monday and Iraq as John was there, and uh he 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.920 was the face of the company and Monday and I 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.120 Raw was the show of the company back then. So 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.360 I'm on the jet. We're flying back to White Plains, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.000 New York from whatever city were in Cleveland or wherever 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:09.840 it was, and Vince has me hold out my hands. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.320 He's got some hand sanitizer and he's he's you know, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.079 you don't like germs, and so he starts to put 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.600 some hand sanitizer in my hand and then as a 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.920 rib won't stop, he just keeps squeezing it and squeezing it, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.880 and he's just staring me down, and I'm staring him down. Right. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.160 It's not like I can just let the crap fall 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.000 in his G four, G five, whatever it is, G something, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.679 because that's disrespectful. But I'm not gonna wine or whimper 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.679 or tap out. So I just let him into the 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.280 bottle and I stand up and I slap it down 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.960 in the sink in the bathroom, wipe my hands. I 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.360 come back in and he's laughing. He thinks it's great. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.240 And Kevin Dunn thinks it's the greatest joke that anyone's 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.640 ever pulled off in the history of jokes. And uh, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.200 I sit down and Vince goes, so, I heard you 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.000 had a little, uh, a little problem with Sina today. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.719 I'm like, no, man, I try to downplay it. I go, no, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.000 I think he's just testing me. Man, all you guys 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.160 like to test me. And he goes, I don't worry 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.200 about it. I'm the only one that can fire you anyway, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.360 and Kevin laughs at that. He starts laughing at Vince's joke, like, man, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.520 that wasn't even that good. And uh, but I I 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.920 learned in that moment, like, Yo, don't worry about it. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.280 Keep doing your thing. If they're giving you crap, I'm 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.200 the only one that you need to worry about giving 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.200 you crap. Right, you could take it from everyone else, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.360 is how I took it to to me. So I 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.720 go in there and I'm just hopeful that he doesn't 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.960 interrupt the class again. And to his credit, he never did, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:45.000 not even once, And as time went on, he called, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.160 he still said, oh, what's up, Baston Crusher. I think 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.880 one time I used to wear this hat that my uncle, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.720 he was a Vietnam veteran. Uh when he passed away, 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.040 I stole it from that from the house, and UH 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.680 I used to wear it a lot. Because my uncle 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.920 is real responsible for the man that I grew up 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.320 to become. I'm named for him. His name is James Barber, 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.680 and my middle name is James. My son's middle name 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:13.640 is James's. He's an important man in our in our 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.680 family's history. Side Quist a very important man, and he 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.480 demanded not only respect for himself, but he always demanded 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.000 the family show respect to one another. He was in 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.840 and out of our lives a lot because he had 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.600 a lot of problems coming back from from Vietnam. I 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.280 remember I used to have to crumple up newspaper and 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.160 toss it at him when he'd be napping on the 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.440 couch to wake him up for dinner. Because if you 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.920 went while I learn hard way, if you went and 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.080 shook him, you were on your back and his hand 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.760 was on your throat because in his head he was 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.360 still in the war. He had to do just look 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.880 up reconnaissance Marines Vietnam, and you'll know what he had 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.480 to do. We're not gonna make this depressing. So anyway, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.880 I'm wearing this hat and he goes, oh, nice doe 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.480 she had, and I hit him. I don't even look 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.000 at him when I say it. I go it was 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.600 my uncle's he was in Vietnam, and it just goes, oh, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.520 like that right. They never talked about that ever again. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.520 So there is respect there. It just has to be 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.880 something he deems worthy of respect or you gotta earn it. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.320 So six months in I'm doing a segment and it 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:31.640 was with Santina Morella, Beth Phoenix and some and someone 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.160 else I can't I can't remember who else. And I'm 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.080 sitting next to Vince in Guerrilla and the segments going well, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.960 because our Santino is the man Like anything you wrote 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:48.080 he would make better. I loved working with him when 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.800 he was on SmackDown. I got to work with him 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.720 all the time and we would just crack each other 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.400 up with jokes like on what the scene is gonna be? 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.960 Things he would say words he could butcher, and he 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.640 would just not get dead no matter, no matter what. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.040 And he needed so little direction you could. If anything, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.119 it was only to like tighten it up because he 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.400 could go on for thirty minutes and we only had two. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.919 So it was a segment that was going really well. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.680 Again all credit to the talent, especially in the case 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.359 of of of the Lion. It's going well, and Vince 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.480 gives me the elbow to the ribs, but not the 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.959 fu elbow. It's it's not like the Randy Macho may 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.600 have finished your elbow. It's like the revitalizing elbow when 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.760 he hit Hogan with it and woke Hogan up, which 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.439 was like horrible, should have never happened, but it happened. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.000 He's given you the positive I'm like, hey, good job, kid, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.120 God damn. And Cina is back there too, because he's 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.439 in the next segment. I think I'm even wearing my 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.320 uncle's hat and uh, he says, and again I'm my 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.199 eyes are on. The monitors were just backstage. They call 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.560 a guerrilla position. It's where they come out of the 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.080 curtain and walked to the ring for those of you 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.120 that don't really watch the brand. And so he's back 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.440 there waiting for his time and he goes, hey, man, 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.199 that was a that was a really good segment and 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.200 I didn't even look at him much, but yeah, whatever, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.640 and just they liked it, and I phil Vince gotta 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.199 give me another nudge, which was either chill out or 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.919 well done. I don't know which one it was. We 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.879 didn't talk about it, and uh, that was the moment 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.440 where I was like, all right, he's I think I 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.760 think I earned his respect and I don't. But I 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.000 don't know, you know, man, maybe not. Maybe he was 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.880 just like, well, I'm just done crapping on him because 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.240 the boss is right there. But either way, we never 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.400 had an issue or or a conflict ever again. After that, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.639 he was always just would give me a nod. He 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.879 didn't talk about my uncle's hat. He called me Freddie 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.560 instead of Ashton. By the way, his last name I 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.919 think is Coucher, not cousher. And I don't know if 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.240 John knew that. But you know, you can't say a 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.120 man's name, right. I don't say John Cena. I say 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.800 John Cena. So anyway, I know people have had fun, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.080 and I've told some of the Seni stories before. I 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.640 wanted to be clear. Even though he didn't like me 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.720 and I didn't like John, I respect John. I respected 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.960 him then I respect him now. I respect the irony 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.240 of what he what he's doing now because he hated it. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:11.080 He hated Hollywood so much. But Hollywood doesn't show wrestling 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.000 the respect that I think wrestling deserves. So I think 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.679 if there's ever a company man, John Cena is the 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:22.920 ultimate company man, like he would do anything for the company. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:28.160 He would take any bullet for Vince McMahon, because that's 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.119 his experience with the company has always been not I'm 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.320 not gonna say always been positive. Everyone has ups and downs, 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:40.080 but this company found him, developed him in o VW, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.720 brought him up, made him the face of the company. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.600 Not for a year, not for two years, not forever. Okay, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.280 he was the champion forever, Himmer Randy, and he would 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.679 always win it back. So his love and respect for 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.840 that company is the way you would love school counselor 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.920 that saved your ass and and put your life on 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.719 the right track, or the way you look after your 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.520 parents as someone spoke against them. So that's where his 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.240 loyalty was in Hollywood has never been pro pro wrestling. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.680 They're happy to pluck the most talented people and make 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.960 them a star, but they've always had their their kind 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.159 of crappy feelings for it. That'll switch us over to 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.760 a more positive relationship. I had, and that was with 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:30.760 Glenn Jacobs, who plays this hideous monster from hell named Kane. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.639 And he was the Undertaker's brother, younger brother, thank you 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:39.720 very much. And he had insecurities throughout his career about 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.399 being the younger brother. He had conflict with his brother. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.920 They had resolutions and wrestled together, and we're the most 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.000 powerful tag team in the universe. He had his own 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:54.919 singles title runs. He did horror type wrestling all the 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.359 way to comedy type wrestling when he tag teamed with 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.960 Brian Danielson who's in a w He's shown a large 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.640 range as far as what limited range the Kane character 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.720 allows you to have. He's even starred as the monster 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.119 in a monster movie. I can't remember the name off 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.160 the top of my head. You get this image of him, 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.760 and he is a a hideous beast behind a mask. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.160 Why else would he wear a mask? It must be hideous, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.399 he wears. When he took the mask off because he 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.280 was no longer hideous, he would put in crazy contacts 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.080 to make himself look more freaky. Freaky, and and and 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.280 and strike fear in the hearts of men. And then 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.639 you meet Glenn and you could call him Kane. He 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.560 responds to either one, and he's a he's like a poet. 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:45.399 I think he's immensum member even like he's this. The 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.199 dude reads Shakespeare. The guy gave me book recommend The 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.600 guy got me to read that Hawaiian The Rich Dad, 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.439 Poor Dad. He like, hey, man, this book meant a 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:56.960 lot to me. You should you should give it a read. 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:00.399