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Speaker 1: You're listening to self Rep Radio, Special Operations, military news

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Speaker 1: what's going on. Welcome to another episode of soft Rep

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Speaker 1: and I have a cool show today. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about psychedelic treatments and I have a special guest,

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Speaker 1: and that's for military veterans and those who have suffered

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Speaker 1: from some severe post mac stress disorder and are looking to,

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Speaker 1: you know, find another outlet. So I've got Jesse here

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Speaker 1: and he is a former ranger with the United States Army. Jesse,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and do a little more introduction on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Please tell us a little bit more about your ranger

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Speaker 1: nous sir. Yeah, absolutely, and pleasure to be here at

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Speaker 1: glad to join you around the fire in the background. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the military career, actually joined after going

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Speaker 1: then over the course of my military career ended up

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Speaker 1: being non commissioned officer section leader. So for a few

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Speaker 1: rangers and deployed to Afghanistan three times, three different tours.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, when you go out on

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Speaker 1: out for like a year at a time or is

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Speaker 1: it like one of those ninety days spin? Is that

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Speaker 1: what am I hearing? Tell me how that kind of went? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so a little bit tween. It's a ranger has been

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Speaker 1: and so they each stent is about four to five months.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they can be longer, sometimes they can be a

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Speaker 1: bit shorter, but generally it's on average there so essentially

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Speaker 1: half the year you're training and then half the year

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Speaker 1: So it's not uncommon for, you know, rangers who have

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Speaker 1: is is pretty wild, right because if that was even

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Speaker 1: in a full year's length, like what the average like

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Speaker 1: maintain the base and everything for that year. You know,

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Speaker 1: with soldiers who have been through that and who have

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Speaker 1: been spun up real fast as rangers and special operation

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Speaker 1: forces guys to say, hey, you gotta go do this

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Speaker 1: you know, like we're actually having these conversations about you

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Speaker 1: And then you come home and there's no more spun up.

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Speaker 1: now that have done that and reach out to you please, Jesse. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't a decision. I just like many

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Speaker 1: it's Iowatska, is that right? Yeah? Iahuasca, Yeah, a y

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Speaker 1: is something that we use. Maybe shaman would probably use

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Speaker 1: So for people who don't know ayahuasca, it's a combination

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Speaker 1: can help you see things a little bit differently, you know,

428
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Speaker 1: like a little cyclone in there, and then your brain

429
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: allows it to restore a little bit of the stress

430
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: like that can actually be very beneficial. And many of

431
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: our body functions, you know, like for instance, fasting sort

432
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: of a stress factor to our bodies and that helps

433
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: the body rejuvenate. So the same thing with this, But

434
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 1: if you psychologically are very already unstable or don't have

435
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: that good foundation. Adding more chaos or adding that factor

436
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: to your brain is not good. It can help be

437
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: making more unhinged. And so that's what we're trying to

438
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: help people navigate. Like if they're very like unstable and

439
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: that I would not have them ever go to a

440
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: psychedelic state. But if you're like a guy or a

441
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: girl who you know, it's going to work every day

442
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: and and that kind of stuff, you're stable. You're able

443
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Speaker 1: to live life. But you're just like need a reset

444
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: or just being burdened down, or you you know, have

445
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: this depression, anxiety, night tears, all that kind of stuff,

446
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: and no matter what you do, it's just not going away.

447
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: For those people. Generally speaking, it can be a good

448
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: path there, and if you do it right, if you

449
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: do it with intention and preparation, generally speaking, it's relatively safe,

450
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Speaker 1: especially in comparison to what you see with other like

451
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: pretty heavy medications. Now this is uh something where back

452
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: in the day, like in Vietnam, the military, he was

453
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: just to jump into a different kind of segue here

454
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: with the psychedelics they did. There's this movie called Jacob's Ladder,

455
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: and it was about like introducing psychedelics to combat veterans

456
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: in combat. You know here we are talking about, you know,

457
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: the right place and the right time to do these things.

458
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: Is that the right place and the right time to

459
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: try to And do you know anything about that? First

460
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: of all, I'm not trying to like trick you or

461
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: get anything. It's called Jacob's Ladder. It's a you can

462
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: look that up. And you know they introduce psycho I

463
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: haven't heard of that. I've heard of the I've heard

464
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: of like some of the other stuff like mk ultra

465
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: where the CIA was testing like LSD to for mind

466
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: control or this other kind of stuff. And I know

467
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: there's like the military it was like the men who

468
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: stare goats, Like, I know there's a lot of like

469
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: you forgot about that. I haven't heard of the one

470
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: of them in combat, but absolutely not. So Like what

471
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: psychedelics do is they make you very sensitive on all

472
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Speaker 1: sensory basis. So if you're in a bigger dose of

473
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: whatever the psychedelic is, it heightens your sense of smell,

474
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: your sight, you're hearing, your emotion side of things. So

475
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: even being you know, if you've ever been next to

476
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: somebody that's very anxious or sort of one of those

477
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: like emotional vampires and it just exhausted to be around them.

478
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: That that would be like tenfold if you're on psychedelics, right,

479
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: and so if you're taking this while in combat, that's

480
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: just making you almost like you're opening the fire hose

481
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: valve of like taking in all this stuff of these

482
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: negative sort of pictures and feedback and all that kind

483
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I mean that that would be not

484
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: only that would be even more traumatizing, I would imagine

485
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: than just even experiencing it in the sober state. And

486
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: so it's sort of the So I would never say

487
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: that because I would never have that of like taking

488
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: a psychedelic past just because and then when you're distorted,

489
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: So then that's where we're giving it to them. Here

490
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Speaker 1: you are, you know, being this first ranger guy, and

491
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're just in a program. They're like,

492
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: drink this a couple of water. You're just like, okay,

493
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: it's a cup of water. And then you know that

494
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: you know, just to see if I bet you know,

495
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'm just talking level here. This is fun combo

496
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: on this is they probably want to see if you

497
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: would see the like the bullets going past you, like

498
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: in the matrix, Like you're just so aware, like if

499
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: it does heighten your senses and does heighten your smell

500
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: and you're hearing and and all these things, if it does,

501
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, move your swell up a little bit of

502
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: your brain to to make it more Gee's inception, you know, Like,

503
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: then I just not me. Uh. This is just something

504
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: that one of my social media fans had reached out

505
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: and asked if I would reach out and say, hey,

506
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: ask about Jacob's ladder and if he knows about that

507
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: and how they introduced that to the combat troops during Vietnam.

508
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: And so that's why I brought that up. I should

509
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: preface that too by a question off the internet. So yeah, yeah,

510
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a valid question. And like so

511
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean in the sense of like for since you're

512
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: in like let's say you're in ceremony, just kind of

513
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: give people. It wouldn't be like the matrix, like you

514
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: can see bullets and all this kind of stuff, but

515
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: it is like if you're in ceremony, you might if

516
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: there's a noise outside, it might be extra loud or

517
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: even like a light small cant like generally ceremonies happen

518
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: at night because even like a small flicker can seem

519
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: like a lightning burst or something along those lines. So

520
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: the problem with the psychedelic in terms of like it

521
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: does enhance the senses, but it's not in sort of

522
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: a sober state. So it's not like you're bringing in

523
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: it's the data is all coming in differently than what

524
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: we normally in a conscious sober state take it in.

525
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: And so even if you have the heightened senses, it's

526
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: not that you'd be able to process that same sort

527
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: of input in the same sort of style. But that

528
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: being said, there is some precedent of people micro dosing. Again,

529
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: it's not going to be to that degree, but people

530
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: nowadays micro dose psilocybin or LSD often sometimes others, and

531
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, they know that it either creases their intention

532
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: for someone increases creativity. So there is sort of this

533
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: this heightened state and it's micro do so it's not

534
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: to a level that will sort of alter put you

535
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: in that hallucinogenic state. So there is some sort of degree.

536
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be research around it and see

537
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: what what the dynamic of that is. But if you

538
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: look at brain scans of people on psychedelics. It shows

539
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: that it increases enhances how many spots of your brain

540
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: are lit up, and that's one of the reasons that

541
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: we also think on a physical level that it could

542
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: be beneficial. There's a lot of evidence that it might

543
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: actually heal the brain on a physical level, because there's

544
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: some evidence that increases neuro connectivity and postially neurogenesis of

545
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: possibly creating new neurons and then increasing their connection around

546
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: the brain. iPhones is a Shawn Spoon, Senator in chief

547
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: of software dot Com, just here to say thank you

548
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: for listening to the Software Radio podcast. We sure appreciate

549
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: you giving us your time. And here's a special law

550
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: or for you. If you're a new member your annual

551
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Speaker 1: membership to soft rep, just click the link at the

552
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: bottom of the page that brought you to us today,

553
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: and from all of us here at soft rep, thank

554
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: you for listening. I'm sure that there's somebody in Israel

555
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: at a hospital that's conducted these experiments because they have

556
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: such an open understanding over there about like exploring alternative

557
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: medicine that we call it here in the US as

558
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: alternative medicine. So over you know, I can imagine they

559
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: putting you into like an m R I right, and

560
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: like before and after and just watching the whole data

561
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: going down. You know. Uh hey, I have to say

562
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: I was in this movie, this TV show called Firestarter

563
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: Rekindled for the Sci Fi Channel. I play the character

564
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: Andy Bighee for Stephen King's TV series, and so my

565
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: daughter is the fire Starter, Okay, just to let you

566
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: know this, And the whole show is based off of

567
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: me and my wife meeting in the Lot six experiment

568
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: in college where we just go into college for seventy

569
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: bucks and get stuck with whatever or eat whatever, and

570
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, it is just it's it's called

571
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: the Lot six experiment. And so me and her we

572
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: mate and have a fire starter child with extra super

573
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: capabilities to go around with her mind and lose lose

574
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: fire go ahead, and you know, fact check me on that.

575
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I dare anyone. So you'll see that. You'll see that.

576
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: And so I'm just saying it's just been around. I mean,

577
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: the premise of that whole story a fire starter, right,

578
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: it's very superpowers. They're taking a lot of experiments that

579
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: was back then. You know, this has been going on

580
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: for quite some time. And I just noticed that. I

581
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: just put the two together, honestly, just on our show.

582
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, I did this show

583
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: where I played this character, and here we are talking.

584
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: Now we have a friend, Dr Martin Polanco, right. Are

585
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: you familiar with Martin? Right? Yeah, so Martin that I have.

586
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: We kind of been talking for for quite a while.

587
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: So a lot of this we started in two thousand seventeen.

588
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: So last April, this last this past April was our

589
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: fifth year anniversary, and a little bit after that. Around

590
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: that same time, you know, Martine, who has been doing

591
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: IVY Game for a while, he started noticing in some

592
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: of the vets that he was serving that there was

593
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: with the iby game, different psychedelic that comes from a

594
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: tree bark from an African tree, um, so different experiences,

595
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: but works on the same concepts. So he was noticing

596
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: that it was being helpful for PTSD as well. And

597
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: so you know, I was starting Hero Carts project. I

598
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: think we've officially got introduced around two thousand eighteen or nineteen,

599
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: and so he was, you know, around that time, I

600
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: think two thousand nineteen, they really started ramping up working

601
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: with Navy seals and so just kind of talking to

602
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: each other, sort of comparing shop notes, like hey you're

603
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: doing this, Hey what are you? What are you studying?

604
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: All this kind of stuff, because it really was wasn't

605
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: anything out there beyond us, ourselves and our team working

606
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: with vets with with this to this degree, with with this.

607
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: There's there's studies with the m d m A and stuff,

608
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: but in terms of these private sort of entities ceremonies,

609
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: so yeah, we just kind of kept a relationship and

610
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: just kind of checked in of like what they're doing,

611
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: what we're doing, and the kind of more recently have

612
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: now that it's all kind of have some track records

613
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: and and developed it a little bit more really trying

614
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: to circle it back and even you know, have more

615
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: collaboration to where where we're testing the same things. We

616
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: can provide more of a pipeline. We can kind of

617
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: figure out where the vets at and what makes more

618
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: sense for them, because again, each of these psychedelics operate

619
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but they also have different sort

620
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: of risk safety profiles in terms of if you're on

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Speaker 1: certain medications, certain mental or medical conditions, heart conditions, you know,

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00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: where you're at in that sort of stage so having

623
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: again more tools in the tool chest just allows us

624
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: to do what we're doing as long as each modality

625
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: is understood and done properly. And Martin, just in terms

626
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: of IBI gain, has more experience than than the vast

627
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: majority of the field of working now with PTSD, previously

628
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: with addiction. So he's working some data, you know, that's

629
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: what he's about. Yeah, he's trying to get that, you know.

630
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: And let me just kind of segue from here, because

631
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Speaker 1: you have to go to Mexico to visit with him

632
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: in his organization, right, which is totally fine, And I

633
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: get that. How would somebody go around with like, you know,

634
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: yours at Heroic, you know, is there a screening process?

635
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Does somebody contact you and say, hey, you know, I've

636
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: been going down this mindset and I've been dealing with

637
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: this and I listened to the soft Wap episode and

638
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to hitch you up. You know, how would

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00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: someone tell us that process? Yeah, so it's gonna be

640
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Speaker 1: a very similar processes. Processes Like I said, we you know,

641
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: we've we've kind of shared note to make sure we're

642
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: doing like what's creating the industry standard actually for this,

643
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: So essentially, you know, the way we're able to operate

644
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: because all of these are are Schedule one substances in

645
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: the US, so the maximum protect like the restricted sort

646
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: of substances, it's super hard to even research it, which

647
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: is why we're in this spot right now, because the

648
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: government's even prevented us from from pretended scientists from even

649
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: studying it, which is a ridiculous motion. And so what

650
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: the other ridiculous notion is the way we operate is

651
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: that veterans have to go overseas, So whether Mexico, we

652
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: operate in Mexico, Peru, Costa Rica. We have a few

653
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: different retreat centers that we work with in different spots

654
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: that we've vetted to make sure they align and safety,

655
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: and so it's the same sort of degree. Somebody comes

656
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: to us, they fill out the application, we do a

657
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: basic sort of intakes health and wellness kind of stuff,

658
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: harm reduction to make sure that it's a good fit.

659
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's certain things that we have to

660
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: look out for that would just be hey, this is

661
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: not for you. If they kind of if they get

662
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: the green light and things are safe, then we do

663
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: an intake process. So generally to six weeks will provide

664
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: them with a coach, one on one peer support, preparation calls,

665
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: help them out financially, financial grants, and then help them

666
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: get to these retreat centers. The retreat centers have their

667
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: established programs and then when the vet comes home, they

668
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: have that coach to follow up with and more sort

669
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: of group support. So it's the same sort of thing.

670
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're a nonprofit and Martine's the Mission

671
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: within Is is a for profit clinic, but they have

672
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: they do a lot of pro bone and work and

673
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: so we sort of work with them for a lot

674
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: of seals that are are trying to go to iby

675
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: Gane or what happened. So it's just again different tools,

676
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: different lines that we're working with. Very cool, very cool,

677
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: And so you could, yeah, what a great network, because

678
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: if it's not maybe if what you're doing is not

679
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: good for someone, you might be able to say, but

680
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: you might want to reach out to my call a

681
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: friend of mine here at this organization and he might

682
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: be able to screen you for what this is. And

683
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: so you know, say the website very clearly, so we

684
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: hear it for those listening, go ahead and say that, yeah,

685
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: so Heroic Hearts Project, So three words heroic the hearts,

686
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: and then project dot org is the website, so our

687
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: applications on there, there's more information about ayahuasca or if

688
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: you're interested in what Martine's doing, like I said, we

689
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: can we can be a part pipeline to that. They're

690
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: both very good options. And you know, for people who

691
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: are interested, they can reach out or find us on

692
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: social media. Now with that put out there, we'll put

693
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: it in the bottom of the description of the conversation.

694
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm grateful to my editors and everybody

695
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: that does that for us. They make it look like magic,

696
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: like poof I did it. Also, I just want to

697
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: say shout out to you. I know you're listening. I

698
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: know you are, so I just want to say thanks

699
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: for your hard work. You're you're respected. Now. So, when

700
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: was the first time you tried psychotherapy? Yeah, it was

701
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: it psychotherapy is at the right word. It's tricky. We

702
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: can't because it's psychotherapy is kind of a controlled term.

703
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: It has to be like a official accepted therapy, you know.

704
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: So for us as a nonprofit, we can and just

705
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: be like, hey, this is but it's a treatment. Some

706
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: people do call it psychedelic therapy. So for the sake

707
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: of this, we can kind of do do that. But

708
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: it's a little bit we we don't want to be

709
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: confused with we're we're not therapists and we're not trying

710
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: to be. We're providing access to recovery and to reconciliations.

711
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: So that's what you're offering a different alternative, you know

712
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: some people. Yeah, eventually we want to get it, you know,

713
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: trying to find that that same eventually want to get

714
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: it to like a therapy sort of designation. It's going

715
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: to get there. It's already getting there, like m d

716
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: M A assisted psychotherapy could I mean, so we're not

717
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: there that. Yeah, with all that and just sort of semantics,

718
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: but we want to be careful with terms so that

719
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: people don't get mistaken. But I went to my first

720
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Ayawaska session in two thousand seventeen, and generally speaking, and

721
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: that was that was big. That was enough for me

722
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: to work with for for quite a while. I have

723
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: gone back, partly because of the nature of this work

724
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: that we have to vet new centers that we do,

725
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and so that involves me going into ceremony. Will never

726
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: send anybody to a ceremony or to a new practitioner

727
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: that we have in test run first, just to make

728
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: sure that we know what's going on and how they're

729
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: operating it. And so for people, a question we constantly

730
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: get is like, oh, how often do I have to go?

731
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: Do you have to go monthly? Do have to go yearly?

732
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: And this kind of works differently. We have to get

733
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: out of that concept of this medicaidd model. It's kind

734
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: of more having better understanding of what your body needs

735
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: and checking in with it. So you know, for me,

736
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: I did go back for for personal reasons, it was

737
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: more to do a deeper dive. So the first one

738
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: I got a lot of stuff out, but there's a

739
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: lot deeper that I needed to go, some other stuff

740
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: that I need uh kind of stuff out and that

741
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: really helped me out. And so for some people it's

742
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: kind of that some people can just do one of

743
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: these psychedelic modalities and hit the ground running and never

744
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: look back, never needed again. Other people might need to

745
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: sort of do some deeper dives, and so generally speaking

746
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: we say it should space out, though people should wait

747
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: at least six months to a year, preferably a year

748
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: after a major psychedelic dose like this because there's so

749
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: much to unfold, it takes time for it. And a

750
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: big thing about this work is the psychedelic part. The

751
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: actual experience is just one part of this. The bigger,

752
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: more important part is the work that's put into it.

753
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: So that's the preparation to lead up. But then what

754
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: we call integration on the tail ent, So the psychedelic

755
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: can kind of like shake things loose, reset, help you

756
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: change your perception. But if you don't incorporate that those

757
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: positive changes into your life, if you don't actively make

758
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: good habits after that, then you're wasting a lot of

759
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: the experience. It opens you up to they call it

760
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: neuro plasticity. It opens you up to having new positive pathways,

761
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: but you still have to do that. You still have

762
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: to wake up, go the gym, you still have to

763
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: eat right, you still have to lower your alcohol or

764
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: whatever consumption. If you don't do that, then you're probably

765
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: going to go back into the old patterns, the old

766
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: sort of ways of feeling. So that it's really what

767
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: we like to emphasize is that it's fine for some

768
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: people to go back. Make sure you space it out

769
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: and make sure you know what you're doing and why

770
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: you're you're going back so that it doesn't just become

771
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm just taking psychology for whatever. But a big part

772
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: of it is on the individual of like what are

773
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: you incorporating into your life to actually make it better?

774
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: How are you using this advantage? And so I happen

775
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: to go to Costa Rica and like these other places,

776
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: they seem to allow this. I mean that's pretty you know,

777
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: progressive of them. Has that always been legal to do

778
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: these things over there? Have they always been just a

779
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: believer in this? You know this this style of healing?

780
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Is that? What it is? What do you think? So

781
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 1: each country has under there's different laws and it really

782
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: depends on on where they're coming from. So for instance,

783
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: with ayahuasca um, the reason you can do it in

784
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: Peru is because it has an indigenous tradition and that

785
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 1: kind of stems into Costa Rica. To Costa Rica tends

786
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more open to this, these

787
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: things that have sort of ceremonial sides of things and natural.

788
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: The same thing with even though it's a little bit tricky,

789
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: but ceremonial use of mushrooms, psilocybin mushrooms ziex go because

790
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: it has a lineage dating, but yeah, psilocybin dating back.

791
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: They're allowed to do it, right, So they're not necessarily

792
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: you can't go to a corner store and just buy

793
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: a mushroom, but you can do it in certain context.

794
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: And so these countries that have this rich cultural side

795
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: of it, it's part of the government protecting that because

796
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: it's theirs, their sacrament, it's their religion in this in

797
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: a sense, it's it's part of their culture. So that's

798
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: the reason they're Other substances, you know, like iby game

799
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: tend to be kind of new in the in this

800
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: side of the world, and so either they've allowed it

801
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: or that just hasn't come on the radar, So that

802
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: can be kind of the case with iby gained. The

803
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: reason why it's gotten exemptions is because it's so powerful

804
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: for addiction and the results are hard to deny, and

805
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: so a little by little, those countries, because there's that

806
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: indigenous tradition of it, tend to be a little bit

807
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: more open to it, whereas the US is very sort

808
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: of dogmatic about if it doesn't come from a pharmacy

809
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: and is it if it's not synthesized, then it doesn't

810
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: have any validity. We're kind of coming around that, but

811
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: we have a very pharmaceutical based understanding of medicine. Yeah,

812
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: that's true, It's very true. I agree that, you know,

813
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: some things can change, and I guess that if you

814
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: want to see change you are listener, can write your

815
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: local representative and say hey, I think you guys should

816
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: back off on things and let you know this, this

817
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: be a medicine. And if you write those people who

818
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: we put in power, that we vote for and say hey, hey, hey,

819
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: enough of us might be able to make a change.

820
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: So you could take that, you know, probably and run

821
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: with it too, you know, just reach out and say, hey,

822
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: just legalize it. I don't know, I mean, it's it's

823
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: just seems so simple. Yeah, I mean the laws are changing,

824
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: so if people are interested in making changes, I mean,

825
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say it again, it should be ridiculous

826
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: for anybody listening that our veterans have to go to

827
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: other countries to get affective mental health. And the research

828
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: is backing this up, research from JOHNS Hopkins, Stanford, you know,

829
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: n y U everywhere it's going. We were we just

830
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: started a partnership with University of Texas Austin to study psycuelics.

831
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: All the research has come out has just been in

832
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: support that these are very powerful modalities for helping PTSD

833
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: depression anxiety. It's still early on, but if you look

834
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: at what the evidence is saying now, and then the

835
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: mountains of anecdotal evidence of these veterans coming and being

836
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: very open about it, it's just really hard to ignore

837
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: that this should be at least researched and push forward

838
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: in terms of our understanding. And so the fact that

839
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: veterans have to go overseas should be you know, embarrassment

840
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: to anybody that that realizes that. But there are there

841
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: are a lot of local decriminalization movements in different states.

842
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Research bills Utah and Utah just passed to research build

843
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Texas Past research bill, California's can to decriminalize. We just

844
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: passed a bill in Connecticut which will push for research

845
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: so and and actually having veterans go through these So

846
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: if you're interested, there are you know, just find out

847
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: locally of how you can help, because more voices pushing

848
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: um members of Congress and in the Senate I remember

849
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Satan and federal Congress can absolutely change this. And honestly,

850
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: if you have a city member, a city council member.

851
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. You can talk to that person,

852
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: and that person talks to other people in their chain

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Speaker 1: of command all the way up to the governor. That

854
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: those are the people like if you could reach out

855
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: to your local city council and say, hey, you know,

856
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: why does our hospital here locally help with this, maybe

857
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: they can send it up to change. You know, there's

858
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: people that you can help. And like you said, there's

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00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm in Utah. That's cool that Utah has

860
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: passed a bill that you've just told me about that

861
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: to allow research. Okay, it's kind of a weird state.

862
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: I would never think that, you know, I was like,

863
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Speaker 1: pass the bill to have more wives maybe, but you know,

864
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: so you know, I'll jokeing aside. Sorry, Honey, Honey, and

865
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: Honey over here over listening on my show, all three

866
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Speaker 1: of my wives. Now, I would just say that way

867
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Speaker 1: to go Utah. All right, I'm gonna be following this, Okay.

868
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Speaker 1: I want Utah to rise to the top. Bro, that

869
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: would be great. And the v A, if the v

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Speaker 1: A could just you know, that's that's what I'd really

871
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: like to see. Just embrace it. You know, Hey, just

872
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: a v A section in Tennessee, somewhere where veterans just

873
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: meet up and fly out to Tennessee and go do

874
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: it there in Tennessee. Whatever, you know, it doesn't have

875
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: to be. It just could be pre screened. You show up,

876
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: you go to the v A, you get this done

877
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: in a ceremonial way, right like with the proper everything.

878
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it would be very cool to be

879
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: covered by the v A. That's all. So, just another

880
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: another thing other than pills, right, thrills before pills. Man.

881
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: You know, we're kind of it's kind of a mantra

882
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: around here, a soft wrap. It's like if you wanna,

883
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: if you feel, you know, go outside to get some

884
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: fresh air. That those are all positive mental things. Behind

885
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: me is my snowboards. My wife and I snowboard all

886
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: the time. That's mental health for me, right. I talked

887
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: about that on the shows. And you know, if you're

888
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: having a hard time and you can't get outside and

889
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: something's happened to you that I don't understand, and then

890
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: reach out to to Jesse here and maybe he could

891
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: point in the right direction of of somebody that can

892
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, that's what's up. Well, Jesse, I just

893
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: want to say it's been a wonderful conversation dude, and

894
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: I hope you've really enjoyed my fireplace and my snowboards

895
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: on the wall. Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, I was

896
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: good talking to you. Appreciate you helping us get the

897
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: word out and just having this great discussion. Well, I

898
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: appreciate you being a ranger lead the way. And uh,

899
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this though, Okay, I gotta ask

900
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: you this before we sign off, just to keep my

901
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: listener on the hook. I got a fan that asked

902
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: me a question on social media, and he says, which

903
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Italian is the best battalion? Which ranger bat is the best? Bat?

904
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Is it first? Second? Third? What is it? What's the best?

905
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Who's the worst? I mean, everybody everybody knows First is

906
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: the best. First is the best. First is it's the

907
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: first one. It's the best one. It's in Savannah. You know,

908
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: it can't beat that. I can't say the worst. The

909
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: other two are are good too, you know, we we

910
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: we need the whole ecosystem. But First is obviously the best. First,

911
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 1: It's always the best. Shout out to my friend Max

912
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Speaker 1: Mullin who's Ranger Hall of Fame. He's out there in

913
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Georgia and he is a all Rangers up too, So

914
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: shout out to you. Max. We're gonna get you on

915
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: the show and have an interview too. I know you're

916
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: gonna listen to this. Okay, Well, Jesse, I think I'm

917
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: gonna wind down the show. I want to say thank

918
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: you for being here, and I'll give you like thirty

919
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: seconds to say something if you have any last comments. Yeah,

920
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You know, Hero Carts Project, we're a

921
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Speaker 1: nonprofit five one c three. The only way we're able

922
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: to help that, and we have a huge wait list

923
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: of that are really looking for this, is through donations.

924
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: So if you're able to financially help out, there's an

925
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: absolute need for this, and if you're a little bit skeptical,

926
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: look into it. We're not trying to give everybody psychedelics,

927
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: but we deserve more tools for healing and this is

928
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: one of those that's showing a huge potential. So anyway

929
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: you can support, we really appreciate it. Hero Cards Project

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Speaker 1: dot Org. Well, thank you again, Jesse, and we'll be

931
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Speaker 1: sure to have all that type down in the bottom.

932
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Speaker 1: And I want to thank you the listener for and

933
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: the viewer for watching us have this conversation. And if

934
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: you have any questions you want to reach out to Jesse,

935
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: you'll be able to do that through the links at

936
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Speaker 1: the bottom. Again, my name is Rad. I get the

937
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: awesome opportunity to be the host of SOFTWAREP Radio and

938
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: travel around and do all of this, So I want

939
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: to say thanks to Brandon and everybody at the top

940
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: that believe in me, and thank you for listening. So

941
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: if you have a story and you want to get

942
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: on SOFTWAREP, just hit us up. There's a way that

943
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: you can do it through SOFTWAREP dot com and we'd

944
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: love to you know, screen you and try to get

945
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: you on the show so that we can have some

946
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: cool conversations. Again, Jesse, thanks again, and this is Rad

947
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Speaker 1: saying peace. Have been listening to samrat Ladi