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Speaker 1: after Sunday night. Will know the playoffs and we know

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Speaker 1: first and foremost remarkable job by Doug Peterson. He took

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Speaker 1: sure feels like Sean McVeigh is gonna quit or retire.

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Speaker 1: never happens. I'm very hesitant when it comes to Derek

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Speaker 1: I guess you know. I don't know how you would

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Speaker 1: NFL playbooks? You mentioned this deep learning curve for Christian Watson,

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Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs had to adapt a player with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Does running spread offenses college help her hurt in transition

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Speaker 1: them to the league. My friend Phil Savage, who now

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to him years ago. It's probably two

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Speaker 1: they would have a meeting, and like the both coaching

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Speaker 1: They would ask the quarterbacks. They go, how many guys

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Speaker 1: in this room have been under center? And said year

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Speaker 1: after year, most years, no one raised their hand. In

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Speaker 1: college I guess some of them, but even most of

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Speaker 1: for just balance of your offensive formations against defensive looks,

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Speaker 1: go under center. Well, then, if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: most wide receivers, the timing for the quarterback is a

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Speaker 1: little different from them out of shotgun. And then obviously

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Speaker 1: some of these offensive linemen coming from spread concepts makes

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Speaker 1: it a lot different because they're not in run situations

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Speaker 1: for quote unquote power run situations. So it's just a

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Speaker 1: big transition for a lot of offensive guys. Defense, like,

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Speaker 1: if I'm a pass rustur, I'm pass rusher, ball snapped,

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Speaker 1: I'm chasing the quarterback. If I'm a dB and worn

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Speaker 1: man cover its like even I'm either good enough athlete

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Speaker 1: to mirror you and cover you or I'm not. Right linebackers,

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Speaker 1: it impacts because if I'm a linebacker in the Big

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Speaker 1: Niners and they're runnering down my throat. You know, I

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Speaker 1: played for the Rams with the Cardinals. Like. It does

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Speaker 1: impact you, so for sure, Yeah, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: else to say beside it. It has. It has a

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Speaker 1: big impact, but there's nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 1: It's part of why scouting is so difficult, because you're

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Speaker 1: scouting the individual talent, like this guy is the skills,

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Speaker 1: the route running ability, he can catch, but he doesn't

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Speaker 1: run any of our routes right or this guard. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot to work with, but it's going

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Speaker 1: You have to go. That's why you got to scout

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Speaker 1: the person. This guy is really smart. He loves football.

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Speaker 1: It means everything to him. His work ethic is top notch.

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Speaker 1: Then you go, not only does he have the physical

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Speaker 1: skills to translate, but I think he's intelligent enough from

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Speaker 1: a football standpoint, I don't care. I mean it matters.

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Speaker 1: Usually guys that takes things seriously in every walk of

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Speaker 1: life translates to all walk of life. Like some people think,

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Speaker 1: if you get straight. A's if you're a football player

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Speaker 1: and you do well in school, then you take football

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Speaker 1: seriously too. Right, some guys do bad in school, but

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Speaker 1: they take football really seriously. Probably maybe because school doesn't

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Speaker 1: come easy to him, so that you're trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out the way the guy's mentality is wired. That's why

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Speaker 1: it's difficult, you know it really But ultimately, if you

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Speaker 1: have the physical skills, just use Dobbs and Watson. Then

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the transition of learning the offense,

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Speaker 1: the timing. Playing with Aaron's not easy. You're football intelligence

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Speaker 1: to learn an you know, a pretty intense offense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Shanahan offense is just not easy to learn. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Aaron's not easy to play with. Uh, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: doing all these hand sides when you're learning on the fly.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just there are a lot of variables

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Speaker 1: at play. It's why coaches make a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: because the good ones are worth it and the bad

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Speaker 1: ones are fucking stealing. Have a good Sunday. I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to everyone soon. Peace. The volume