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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm for it. I've heard so many

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid Verbo boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Ty Hildebrandt. That fine gentleman over there in

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Speaker 3: Tie.

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Speaker 2: So I'm all about I'm all about winning scenarios. And

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Speaker 1: We are talking winning scenarios. We are talking specifically about

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Speaker 3: of titles before Bruce Rolinson got on board, and then

434
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: Modern Day was having their own travel team at these events.

435
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 3: So I think that it's like baseball, there's the year round.

436
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: This certainly helped those quarterbacks make that adjustment quicker, and

437
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: that's why I see I think you see their talent

438
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 3: really come to the forefront once they get to college.

439
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: So interestingly enough, obviously there was a domino effect. There

440
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: always is going to be a domino effect with quarterbacks,

441
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 2: and no school, and especially no major school, wants to

442
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: be left, you know, without a selection in their upcoming class.

443
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know exactly when the game of dominoes

444
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty three class began in earnest Maybe

445
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: it was when Lincoln Riley went to USC, and it

446
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 2: was Malchi Nelson committed to Oklahoma right and then decommitted

447
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: and followed him to SC. I don't know if that

448
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: was the official start to everything, But in terms of

449
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: how the dominoes have fallen this year, what have the

450
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 2: effects been, you know, the cause and effects throughout this process,

451
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: and what is still left to fall now that we

452
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: are in the wake of I think what Jayden Rashada

453
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: last night committed from Northern California. You mentioned him as

454
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: a top five quarterback to the University of Miami. So

455
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: what is the status of the dominoes in this class

456
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: at the moment?

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been interesting. I think, like you said, the

458
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: Linco Riley departure kind of set off a wave of motion.

459
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we are six months from when he made

460
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 3: that decision, when Alakai Nelson was going to Oklahoma, you know,

461
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 3: who would have gone to USC at that point. At

462
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: that point, you know, it looked like Nico Yamliava might

463
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: end up playing at one of the two local schools.

464
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: It looked like, you know, Jaye Roshada might stay home

465
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 3: and go to cal or At that point, Ole Miss

466
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: was making a big push for him. He really liked

467
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: Jeff Levy. Penn State had had him on campus for

468
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: an unofficial visit. Well, then Riley leaves brings Malachai Nelson

469
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: with him, Jeff Levy leaves Ole Miss goes to Oklahoma.

470
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we're in a situation that in January, Jane

471
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: Rashada was this close to committeing to Oklahoma. That's where

472
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: he wanted to go. He loved Jeff Levey and then

473
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Oklahoma Brett Vnabiles decided to go all in on Jackson Arnold.

474
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 3: Then the Athletic article dropped, and then everything in quarterback

475
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 3: recruiting just changed at that point, if you know what

476
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you could say that it had nothing to

477
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: do with it, but let's be honest. Ever since then,

478
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: quarterback recruiting has just been turned on its head. Schools

479
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: that look like they were in the midst get in

480
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: the mix to get a good player, all of a sudden,

481
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: we're no longer in the mix to get players. And

482
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: Dante Moore, who at one point looked like he was

483
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: either going to Michigan or Notre Dame, now is Crystal

484
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: bald Oregon. Jaden Roshada, who at one point we thought

485
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: was going to Oklahoma. Then we thought, okay, maybe he'll

486
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: stay in the Pac twelve. He's headed to Miami. You

487
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: had earlier twenty twenty four commitments that kind of dictating

488
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: how twenty twenty three recruiting went. CJ. Carr commits to

489
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Well, now that probably makes a Notre Dame

490
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: not an option for Dante Moore. Dylan Ryola commits to

491
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Now, Ohio State, which nobody has played the

492
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: long game in quarterback recruiting better than Ohio State has

493
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: in the last three years. Now they get their quarterback

494
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, So who knows what that's going

495
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: to do for twenty twenty three recruiting coming off a

496
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: year where Devin Brown signed at the end of the

497
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two cycle, so there has been even kind

498
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: of a more expedited domino effect because now schools are saying, hey,

499
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 3: we're not going to compete for those twenty twenty three guys,

500
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: whether it's for Nio reasons, whether it's for fit reasons.

501
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: Let's go on to twenty twenty four. Now you have

502
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: just a few schools go on, we don't have a

503
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: quarterback yet. Crud, what are we gonna do. We can't

504
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: wait till the fall. Maybe we just go all in

505
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: on the twenty twenty four guy and find the depth

506
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 3: guy in twenty twenty three. But who's going to be

507
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: this year's Devin Brown. Who's going to be this year's

508
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart or c J. Stroud? Three guys? You know.

509
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: When Devin Brown decommitted it from SC and deport Ohio State,

510
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: Jackson Dark decided the morning of signing day in December

511
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty he had the best, probably the best

512
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: situation for him and that none of the Western states

513
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: have had good quarterbacks were playing football that fall, but

514
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: Utah did, so he was a lot able to come

515
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: to the forefront the year before.

516
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: CJ.

517
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: Stroud waited and when everybody still had this simple they

518
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: had their quarterback. Ohio State got him late. So I

519
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: don't know that there is a guy like that that

520
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: might wait, And I don't know if there's a school

521
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: like in Ohio State that's going to be able to

522
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: get a key guy late, because I think now quarterbacks

523
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: are starting to realize, oh I have a good luck

524
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: in my spot, not just for the twenty three guys

525
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: that I'm competing against, but now schools are pivoting the

526
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So it says weird domino game that's

527
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: going upwards and downwards and kind of silent at the

528
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: same time.

529
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: Or by the way, portal QB to be named later

530
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: where they're saying, we're going to get the blue chip guy.

531
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: Or you know, there's a Texas kid, there's an Ohio

532
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 2: State kid, there's an Alabama kid, there's a Florida kid.

533
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: Like there's somebody's going to not win a job in

534
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: the fall, and suddenly you maybe kind of want to

535
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: have a scholarship open.

536
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: We will never see another press conference where what's inside

537
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 3: a player's chest is ever going to be called into

538
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: questioning by a sitting head coach. Why because you never

539
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 3: know if in four months from now, six months from now,

540
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: you might need that quarterback, you might need a home

541
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: and that marriage is rekindled.

542
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: Brandon, you mentioned the Athletic article. I'm assuming you're referring

543
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: to the Athletic article about collectives and big nil money

544
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: as it relates to recruiting and quarterbacks.

545
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, unnamed quarterbacks with unnamed schools and unnamed parts

546
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: of the country. Yep.

547
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: How can you expand a little bit on how that

548
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: has turned recruiting on its head because most of the

549
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: names that we're discussing here are all fairly prominent within

550
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: their own recruiting classes. Right, These aren't guys who are

551
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: anonymous by any stretch of the imagination, and so certainly

552
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: you would have to assume that they know the game,

553
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: they know the stakes. They've got people around them, good people,

554
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: bad people, people in general around them who know the

555
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: state of play here with NIL. But how did that

556
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: piece affect things? From your view?

557
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: I think there was an assumption that NIL deals were

558
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: only happening for players that were already on campus, or

559
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: maybe it was already only for players that have already committed.

560
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: You know, there was obviously already stuff that was flying

561
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: out about the twenty twenty two class. They were the

562
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 3: first class to really be able to benefit from NIL

563
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: as a part of the recruiting process. We saw different schools,

564
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: you know, offering X amount of dollars to all the

565
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: linemen that committed to their school, all the tight ends

566
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: that committed their school. But I think that one kind

567
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: of threw open you know, I don't even want to

568
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: call it indoors box, because I think that doesn't you know,

569
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: that minimizes it. But I think that was the one

570
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: that really threw like, hey, this is going to be

571
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 3: a big piece of the recruiting puzzle. This is going

572
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: to be a big piece of how schools will attract

573
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: players to their schools. If they don't have a recent

574
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: history of developing NFL caliber players, if they don't have

575
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: a recent history of getting elite players at that position

576
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: then turning them in to all Americans. So they're not

577
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: winning as a program, they're not a consistent contender for

578
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: a New Year's Six Bowl. This is how we compete

579
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 3: in recruiting. We've got to have something else because our

580
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: coaching might not be doing it. Our team's success might

581
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: not be doing it, our development might not be doing it.

582
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: But this is going to even the playing field a

583
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: little bit. And I think it now kind of brought

584
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: to the forefront what everybody thought might happen, what was

585
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: already kind of starting to happen in the twenty twenty

586
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: two class. Now I think it can through all sense

587
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 3: of innocence out and now every And that's the thing.

588
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: We've been seeing this for years, I mean ever since

589
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: I was Steven Godfrey rod the bad Man article, however

590
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: many years ago. Really since then, everybody assumes when your

591
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: school loses a player, that school bottom. Your school's never cheated,

592
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: even when they got a lead players, they never cheated.

593
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: Every other school cheated. And now you're seeing the same

594
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: schools are being playing for it. But when you're seeing

595
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: newer names emerge as those schools getting the top players,

596
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: and they aren't your traditionals Alabama's, they're Georgia's, your Clemsons,

597
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: then everybody's assuming, well, he's only going there because he's bought.

598
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: It could also be that maybe he felt there was

599
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: a good fit there. Maybe you remember, these are eighteen

600
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: year old kids, but they're not the only ones making

601
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: their decisions. There are parents involved, there are coaches involved

602
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: in a lot of these guys. Realize, don't play just

603
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: the short game. You gotta play the long game if

604
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: you want to get more of this when you get

605
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: to the NFL, you still have to go to the

606
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: right situation. You still have to go to the right school.

607
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: It's not like Apple's gonna be coming out with some

608
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: big donor and saying, hey, we're gonna we got five

609
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars to spend and kids are gonna suddenly

610
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: start flying to be a zip go zipshead. Yeah, you know,

611
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: Detroit Multas City, Bawl, here you come, whatever Bolt's called now.

612
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is I think that there's still

613
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: the thought process, like is this going to still be

614
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: the best school for me to get to the NFL?

615
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: It's not. I mean, yes, there's going to be some

616
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: very financially lating decisions, if you will, But I still

617
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: think the football aspect of it is going to be

618
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: a part of the thought process.

619
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Speaker 1: How much of your job is now tracking ANIL agreements,

620
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: either rumored or confirmed. I would think that would have

621
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: to add an entirely new dimension to your crystal ball.

622
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, it used to be that when you

623
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: talk to a kid about his visit, you'd ask about

624
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: the in home visitor, I'm sorry, the facilities, what was

625
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: the town like, what was the school like, who was

626
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: your host, what'd you think of the campus? Blah blah blah.

627
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily ask a lot of questions about NIL

628
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily something that I really want to cover.

629
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: I know it is what it is, but you know, hey,

630
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get the same answer. I'm not

631
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: going to get the right answer or the accurate answer.

632
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: But when I talk to college coaches, they're now saying that, hey,

633
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: you know what we had on a visit. It was

634
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: a great visit. This kid needs to come here, but

635
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: there's no chance for getting him because we just don't

636
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: have the nil resources. Even though you know, family weight

637
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: here we developed five guys at that position in the

638
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: last few years that have gone on. You know, we've

639
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: been the most successful program. We're not getting here because

640
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: we can't compete with the dollars that other schools are.

641
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: So now when you look at the most natural fits,

642
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: and historically natural fits have always seen the fit in

643
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: place when we came into recruiting. There'll be a few

644
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: outliers here and there, but most of the time, when

645
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: you were able to make an educated guess, you were

646
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: pretty accurate in that guess because everything kind of pointed.

647
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: Now with NIL, there could be the most glaring this

648
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: is the perfect fit, but there's that little detail of

649
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: NIL that might change everything. And so you're going to

650
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: see more eclectic picks by top recruits based on the

651
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: resources of those schools. And now when you felt confident

652
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: about predicting where it was going to go, you don't

653
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: feel as confident because I always think back to I

654
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: believe it was Terrence Jones who committed at Washington for

655
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: basketball full thirteen years ago. He announce his commitment and

656
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: while he was still on the live stream on the

657
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: Argonian website, John Calipari calls and convinces him to go

658
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: to Kentucky. And that's the thing. Even when a kid

659
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: announces his decision anymore, it's almost like a trigger for

660
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: the other schools to be like, Okay, now we know

661
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: who we're really competing with. Now we know what the

662
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: dollar sign is to compete with. For some guys, that

663
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: is going to be the case of nil is certainly

664
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: going to be that extra layer, And it's the thickest

665
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: layer I've ever dealt with in the twenty years I've

666
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: been doing this well.

667
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Both Ryan Day and Nick Saban over the last couple

668
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: months have implied that unless their school finds some way

669
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: to get more resources, perhaps those programs would be at

670
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: a disadvantage.

671
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: I heard that.

672
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: I'll be real, the bullshit detector went off big time.

673
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Big time.

674
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: How much of Ryan Day Nick Saban making these implications

675
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: is truth versus how much of it is effectively marketing

676
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: tactics trying to speak in subtext to their respective alumni

677
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: basis saying, hey, throw us a few more bones.

678
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, that's what it was. Nick Saban's words.

679
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: Everybody can say they were directed at Kirby Smart, or

680
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: at Jimbo Fisher, or at Georgia, at Texas Anam. The

681
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: reality was, come on, we all know that was directed

682
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: at every housetooth hat wearing Bama booster that exists on

683
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: the planet. That's his way of saying, you guys are

684
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: going to get your iss and order here so that

685
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: we can compete with those other guys. That was directed

686
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: that way, but it was really pointed the other way.

687
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: And what I love about Ryan das he at least

688
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: gave us a number to work with so we can

689
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: start being magical. Well now, it's like, okay, it's like

690
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: when a kid tells you his forty time, theres GPA.

691
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: You take a couple of tenths of a second off

692
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: the forty time, or you add a couple of seconds,

693
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: or you take a couple of inches off how tall

694
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: they say they are. With Ryan Day, okay, who we

695
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: haven't never now multiplied that by two. That's the realistic

696
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: number that you need to have to compete. So I

697
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: like that guys like that, and especially Ryan Day, who's

698
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: kind of generally stayed away from the fray, if you will,

699
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: and not really gotten into it. For him to come

700
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: out and even throw numbers out, I don't think that

701
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: was geared towards like, hey, college football media, this is

702
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: the numbers. That was more, Hey, Buckeye Nation, we need

703
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: to start coming up with these extra things. Listen. I

704
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: don't need that you know, plexiglass locker room or the

705
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: oak lockers anymore. I need those resources to get these recruits.

706
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: And then the fascinating part about all this is going

707
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: to be we thought this was the case after the pandemic,

708
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: but we see coaches get fired. Well, no, we saw

709
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: the wildest coaching circle or cycle we've ever seen. But

710
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: these same boosters that are contributing to the collectives, those

711
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 3: are the same guys that the athletic director is going

712
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: to come back to in the middle of November when

713
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: he's got to make a coaching change, saying, hey, can

714
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: you throw us some money. We need to buy this

715
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: coach out after they've already contributed x amount to the collective.

716
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: So this is going to be now interesting. Who's going

717
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: to have the power on campus is it the collective

718
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: is the athletic director. Obviously the boosters are gonna have

719
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: a big part of it. But then what do you

720
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: end up seeing two when what if the boosters really

721
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: want this guy, but the coaches really want that guy,

722
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: and the booster saying, we're only giving this amount of

723
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: money to this guy, so take your other guy and

724
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: send them elsewhere. But the coach really finds that fit.

725
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: That's what's so fascinating about it. But I think in

726
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: the case of Saban and Day, they're making it very

727
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: clear to those boosters we're gonna play the game, but

728
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: you guys are not to get on board.

729
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Does it creep into your mind the degree to which

730
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: this is all being commodified, where you're almost treating it

731
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: like a fantasy auction, where like do I want John

732
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: Olerud at eighteen dollars? I want Robin Ventura at ten?

733
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: Like where you're saying, okay, do I I want Nico

734
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: or do I want Jaden Rashata? Do I want Dante

735
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: more at this price? Or do I want Jackson Arnold

736
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: or do I want whoever in mis Zoo's getting or

737
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: Michigan State's getting. We were like, I don't know this

738
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: might be a better value. And now there's sort of

739
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: a new element of team building with nil, where does

740
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: it creep into your mind where their value just doesn't

741
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: lie as a player, but lies with nil value and

742
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: how a class comes together.

743
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's the rabbit's going And that's

744
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: why I think Ryan Day kind of threw out a

745
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: number that, yeah, this position's going to cost you this much.

746
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: You know, I talked with an NIL attorney and he

747
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: was giving me the breakdown of which positions are the

748
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: most valuable, which positions are the most lucrative, and which

749
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: positions that college coaches are Like, dude, you should be

750
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: happy you get a scholarship here.

751
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: That's what you're getting. And there's going to be a

752
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: lot of upset. And that's the thing. You're not only

753
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: dealing with the kind of a fantasy auction, Like you said,

754
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 3: the numbers, it's also the expectations that recruit number twenty

755
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: five thinks he should be getting in anile deal. Well,

756
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: you guys are giving this amount of money, but you're

757
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: giving it to say, hamp, why can't I get that

758
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: I'm in the same recruiting class. It's like, dude, you're

759
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: an interior alignment. We'll get you, you know, we'll give

760
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: you five extra meals at Outback Steakhouse. It's part of

761
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: your nil deal. But now you're creating these numbers, and

762
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: these numbers that are I don't necessarily believe everything I'm

763
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: reading in articles about what the actual dollar amounts are,

764
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: but what we do know is they are pretty lucrative

765
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: for the recruit now you're bringing in. And this goes

766
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: back to the old NFL days where you would have

767
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: the rookie contract deals and they would be hold out

768
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: by the rookies who haven't taken a snap of the NFL,

769
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: but they're expecting to make more than Ray Lewis and

770
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: Jonathan Augen. And so they go to Baltimore. They're sitting

771
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: out camp and you have two future Hall of Fenders

772
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: that are like, you're going to get your ass back

773
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: to this practice field right now and play. You're not

774
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: worth that much money. And then the NFL finally figured

775
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: out we got to have a rookie pay scale. How

776
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: are you going to then deal with a locker room

777
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: that or quarterback room if the quarterbacks are making this

778
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: amount now and a quarterback picked that school three years

779
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: ago because he liked the offense. How are you going

780
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: to sit in that room knowing that guy hasn't a

781
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 3: thing on campus, yet he's making X amount of dollars.

782
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: How do you if you're the middle linebacker who's port

783
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: your blood, sweat and tears, made one hundred tackles a

784
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: year to this little hotshots, not those little running back

785
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: that's coming in expecting X amount of dollars. That's the

786
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: game that I'm really going to be fascinated by these

787
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: next couple of years, as more and more dollars signed

788
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: deals are being publicized. If you will, you're going to

789
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: start to see this chasm start to happen in the

790
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: walker room.

791
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you brought that up, because the

792
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: other variable here is market value. When you talk about

793
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: rookie pay scales, when you talk about any professional league,

794
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: the contracts are publicized, we know what everybody's getting. Now

795
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of whispered down the alley. It's whatever message

796
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: board posts somebody got their hands on.

797
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of.

798
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: Cloak and dagger here with respect to who is actually

799
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: getting what and what is fair market value for any

800
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: of these guys.

801
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: We have no idea. Yeah, how does it get determined

802
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 3: who determines it? Is it all because the guy's rated

803
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: high on a website that now he deserves X amount

804
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: of dollars more? Is it just the five star? Well,

805
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: then how are those five stars being determined? I mean,

806
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that my industry is responsible

807
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: maybe for setting the market. Like, hey, at the same time,

808
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: if you're getting these million dollar boosters who are successful

809
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: businessman and they want to keep throwing their money at

810
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: these kids, by all means, go for it. That's the

811
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: thing about college sports. In the NFL, there's only thirty

812
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: two owners, but a college could have thirty two boosters

813
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: that think that they're the owners and they're throwing out

814
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: these ridiculous sums. But it's just how do you very realistically,

815
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: very accurately to devise what the market is for these positions?

816
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: Why is this position now? I mean, let's be honest.

817
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: And when the nil layer told me that quarterbacks are

818
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: commanding the most money, that's not a surprise how it

819
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: is in the NFL. But in an era where the

820
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: quarterbacks were usually the first guys to announce their commitment

821
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: in a recruiting class, now you're going to see more

822
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: and more quarterbacks play the long game and commit later

823
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: in the process just to see how much more they

824
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: can get out of this. But how are we to

825
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: determine that because the quarterback you threw for a lot

826
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: of yards and look really good in T shirt and

827
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: shorts is worth this amount of money? How does that,

828
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: you know, set the market for other schools and our

829
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: other schools out bitting our other schools going are nil

830
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: o is going for one school? The next day, Hey,

831
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: they're going to do this, ay, but he really wants

832
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: to go here, Give us eight point five. Then they

833
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: go back to this school. Hey, he really wants to

834
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: be here, but they're given an eight point five, get

835
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: up to nine, and it turns in to just this

836
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: complete NFL free agency deal. How long will that genie

837
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: be outside the bottle? Is it salagable? Is there any

838
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: kind of shelf life on it? Or is there a

839
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: way that the NCAA can you know, kind of just

840
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: figure out a way that I don't know. And so

841
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: I think because of that, you're just going to see

842
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 3: the market escalate each and every year and keep trending upwards.

843
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 3: And that's going to be the part to the fantasy

844
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: that fascinates me the most is how are athletic directors

845
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: now going to find that money they need it for

846
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: buyouts when those boosters are saying, we'd rather use this

847
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: money to get ourselves a good recruit.

848
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: The only thing I push back on is everybody's free

849
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: to go get paid. Like that linebacker can monetize his name,

850
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: image and likeness in the same way. He can do

851
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: whatever he can do, whether it's building a social following

852
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: and building brand deals, and we see it in the NFL,

853
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: we see it in the NBA. Like I think Jonathan

854
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: Kaminga makes more money than Steve Kerr if I'm not mistaken, right,

855
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: because I don't think players are dumb. Some players are dumb.

856
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: But like that star linebacker who's not who's making forty

857
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: five grand and is not making as much as the

858
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: quarterback knows he's a linebacker, right, knows that nobody knows

859
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: his face and knows that his recruitment was different, And

860
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just like Jonathan Kaminga is the

861
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: same age as these guys, Like there's there's a certain

862
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: amount of credit that I think we I'm not saying

863
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: you anybody else, we need to give to these kids.

864
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: Because they're online, they understand the reality, and so eventually,

865
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: I think things are gonna get to the point where

866
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: everybody wants to win. Everybody knows you need to have

867
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: great players to win. And I think people are gonna

868
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: be okay with the fact that everybody is getting more

869
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: than they used to get. And I think eventually everybody's

870
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: gonna be kind of cool, at least within a program.

871
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if radio hosts or podcast hosts or

872
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: TV hosts are going to be at peace with it,

873
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: but I think we're gonna be okay. Does that make sense?

874
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: It does. And you know, here's the thing. I think

875
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: obviously NIL is here to stay, how it is, how

876
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: it's manager hole, its monitor is up for grab, up

877
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: for debates. But if I'm a college coach, say I

878
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: got hired a coach at State, you payte State, you

879
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Josh Payt hired me to be his head down, and

880
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: I got unlimited resource and nil money. I'm using that

881
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: to pull in the Jordan Addisons, the Mario Williams. I'm

882
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: hitting the portal and I'm off from those guys, because

883
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: why those guys have at least proven that they can

884
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: play at the total. You know you look at as

885
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: a baseball fan, you know, if you're a Yankees fan,

886
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: which I'm not. You know, the running jokes always been, okay, cool,

887
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: who's their best farm hand because he's going to be

888
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: somebody else's All Star when they trade him away to

889
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: get that team's best player, who the Yankees will then

890
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: sign long term. But there's a reason why the Yankees

891
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: are always a team that has a chance to win

892
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 3: the World Series each and every year. Yes, they'll get

893
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: an occasional home grown star like a Derek Jeter or

894
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: an Aaron Judgement. A lot of those guys are guys

895
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: that came from other franchises. I think that's going to

896
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: be what you're going to see more and more schools

897
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: do in the next five to ten years. We're not

898
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: seeing clemsing in Georgia and Alabama really hit the poral hard.

899
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 3: But Alabama needs a linebacker. After the twenty twenty season,

900
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: Henry Toto, He's a school after the twenty twenty season,

901
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: Henry Toto transfers to Alabama that starts on the team

902
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: that makes the National Championship Game. Nick Saban is still

903
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: going to get ninety percent of his class out of

904
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: the high school rate. You know, Krity Smart's going to

905
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: do the same, Jimbo Fish is going to do the same.

906
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley long term will do the same. But if

907
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm a school that has an influx in resources, I'm

908
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: going after the portal players and enticing them to come

909
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: rather than going to the high school because at least

910
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: there's a proving commodity to the players that are in

911
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: the portal. If they've been good at their previous school,

912
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: they may be worth X amount of dollars. That's a

913
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 3: way to win quicker rather than playing the long even

914
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: player development.

915
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: Hey, let's not talk about administrative or money stuff for

916
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: a second. Niko is your number one quarterback, I believe

917
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. Why is he so good? Can

918
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: you just like gush about like the good quarterbacks at

919
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: the top of the class and what they're doing for

920
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: their respective classes in terms of you know, reverberations of

921
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: recruits and you know how they project to be any

922
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: favorable comps. Just this is this is my talk about question.

923
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: Tell me about gush gush about these top five or

924
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: six or seven quarterbacks. You know, first time I.

925
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: Saw Nikos when he was a freshman in highest up

926
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 3: at a seven on seven tournament at incidentally, Jane Rushot

927
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: his high school now Pittsburgh High School, and at that

928
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: point he had just finished his freshman year at Long

929
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: Beach Poly. He wasn't the starter yet, was kind of

930
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: an unknown quantity. I think Dyu had just offered him

931
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: in Hawaii, had just offered him. And here's this tall,

932
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: rail thin guy at the time who nobody knew about.

933
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: That same day, I saw this quarterback from Utah. I

934
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: think his only offer was Weaver State. His team ended

935
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: up winning the tournament, and that was Jackson Dark. You know,

936
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart looked good. But when you watch Niki, you're like,

937
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this guy sixty four one hundred and

938
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: sixty pounds. If he puts on thirty to forty pounds, man,

939
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: this kid's going to have a rifle. Then you watched

940
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 3: him throat, You're like, okay, already has the rifle. Dad's

941
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: a good sized guy. Niko's a volleyball player too, so

942
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: he's got screens. He's got athleticism, but he's a pocket guy.

943
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: And as he's gotten bigger and stronger, you just see

944
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: that can and get even more power in it. And

945
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: you know, he's a guy that he's got charisma, he's

946
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: got energy, he's got pizzazz. You know, his dad has

947
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: been has been we'll get friends with Dave Ujangalii. So

948
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: Niko has been able to watch how DJ handled things

949
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: as a high scorer going into college and how DJ

950
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: handled all the attention. DJ was a multi sport guy

951
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 3: in high school. He was a football and a baseball player,

952
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: and you know, he ended up skipping a year of

953
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: baseball in the spring of his junior year to do

954
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: some camps. But you know, Nico was missing camps earlier

955
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: in the year because he was playing on the Junior

956
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: Olympic volleyball team for the US, going to national team trials,

957
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 3: like still trying to have a little fun with high school.

958
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: So I think what separates him is he's got obviously

959
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: great athleticism, he's got great genetics. But this is a

960
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: guy who, you know, while you see the sunglasses in

961
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: the pajama pants, he's a trendsetter. He's also a still

962
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: just wants to play sports and hang out with his friends.

963
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: He could have gone and played for any of the

964
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: other seven on seven teams that existed, but his dad

965
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: put a team together and it's a lot of the

966
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: guys he grew up playing with, and they were competitive

967
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: because they had elite quarterbacks. So he just does have

968
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: all the physical trades that you want in a quarterback

969
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: and just will continue to get better. You know, when

970
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: you look at him too, you just see he's got

971
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: this cool, calm demeanor to him. He doesn't get too high,

972
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't get too low. Hen't have the same energy,

973
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: stay official expression, same body language if he throws it

974
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: in a completion or if he throws a touchdown pass.

975
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: We've gone about fifteen minutes without talking about arch Manning,

976
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: so I'm going to bring it back to arch Manning.

977
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: That's okay with you, Brandon. We talked to Ari Wassman

978
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: of the Athletic a couple months ago, and for what

979
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: it's worth, he was in agreement that he would not

980
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: put arch Manning necessarily as his top quarterback in the

981
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: twenty three class. But he brought up an interesting point

982
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: that I don't think has got enough coverage, and that is,

983
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: whenever you're a program that gets a high profile guy

984
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: like an arch Manning, there is an effect a gravity. Yeah, right,

985
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: there's a gravity a tractor beam of sorts. Do you

986
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: think there is any kind of hope for that at Texas?

987
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: Like what might happen now just within that program as

988
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: a result of Arch committing to go with Steve Sarkisian.

989
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: Ninety nine pounds out of one hundred, I would say yes.

990
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: The problem is, aren't just still a relative unknown to

991
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: the larger recruiting base. Yes, there's some guys that have

992
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: been a Texas where he's been there at the same time.

993
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: They've been at the other schools that he visited at

994
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: the same time. But he's still kind of this mysterious

995
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: guy that he's a manning. But that's really all we

996
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: know who really is Art where a lot of the

997
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks, they're the ones that are tweet I mean,

998
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: we saw yesterday on Jader shot his Twitter page as

999
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: soon as he announced for Miami. He's tweeting pictures of

1000
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: him and other recruits that were on their visits in

1001
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: Miami uniforms said hey, come here, Hey, let's go do

1002
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: this at the you together. We saw it with Malachai

1003
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: Nelson as soon as he flipped, you know, Makaya Lindon

1004
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: was flipping with him. You know, you see it with

1005
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks where they have these gregarious personalities, they have

1006
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: this charisma, they have this reputation in the football space

1007
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: where the other recruits want to go play with them.

1008
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times it does get overplay like, oh, well,

1009
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: you know, he's definitely gonna go there. I mean, it

1010
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: wasn't like Arizona State's recruiting class just blossom when they

1011
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: got Jack Elwick. It wasn't like Washington's class ended up

1012
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: getting all the other recruits when they got Nick Montana

1013
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: is still that person has to be the personality, the

1014
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: personable person that's reaching out to the recruits that said.

1015
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: What I think it does is it does give a

1016
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: lot more the national guys on Okay, they went what

1017
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: four to eight last year, five and seven, and whatever

1018
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: the record was, they didn't lose to Kansas, they didn't

1019
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: have the greatest season. But Arch is going there, this

1020
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: guy's going there, this guy's going there. Something good's happening

1021
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: at Texas and the school that you're seeing that happen

1022
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: at the most right now, and it's not with the

1023
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 3: number one player in the country, but Louisville just by

1024
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: getting a commitment from Pierce Clarkson now all these elite

1025
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: recruits from around the country, Louisville for football, I mean,

1026
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: Scott Centerfield was on the potential to be fired a

1027
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: year ago, and now Louisville is bringing in a potentially

1028
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: elite class and certainly by their standards, so there still

1029
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: is that pie Piper effect. Now, Pierce is a lot

1030
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: more out front and outgoing than Arches, but Arch is

1031
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: the number one player in the country. So there's going

1032
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: to be a lot of guys that are maybe going

1033
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: to say, Okay, maybe I should take a longer look

1034
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: at Texas. Receivers are going to say that. Tight ends

1035
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: are going to see that. Left tackles that want a

1036
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 3: block for him are going to say that. And I

1037
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: think even without him having a lot of direct contact

1038
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: with these guys, there's still going to be that pie

1039
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: Piper effect that he can potentially bring.

1040
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: You're as in this game as anybody we could possibly

1041
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: ever talk to, and not only you, but others we've

1042
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: spoken to about Arch Manning all seem to be in

1043
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: relative agreement that there might be better quarterbacks in this class.

1044
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Yet he's got the perfect ranking, yet he is number one.

1045
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: Yet there's been all this hullablue around his commitment to Texas.

1046
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: Is there much debate behind the scenes about whether that

1047
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: number one overall ranking should hold?

1048
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely. In fact, we did in a eleven previous

1049
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 3: last ye week where me and Greg Vegas were talking

1050
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: about that very feet, like does he stay number one?

1051
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: He hasn't been in any spring events when he hasn't

1052
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 3: done into the LIEGE eleven regionals, and now he won't

1053
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: be at the EEGE eleven finals. You know, do we

1054
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: to get punished for not participating? You know when you

1055
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 3: have the NFL Combine, do you have guys that'll skip

1056
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: the combine but they'll still work out their pro day?

1057
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: You know, essentially arch Manning is doing stuff on his

1058
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: own campus, so it's not like he's completely gone off

1059
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: the grid. But you know, how do we know for

1060
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: sure that he's better than Malchai Nelson or Niko Yamlaba

1061
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 3: or Dante Moore, Jaden rashadat those guys go to everything.

1062
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: All four of those guys with the seam seven on

1063
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: seven tournament in Las Vegas two weeks ago, you know

1064
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: you got to see them. Three of those guys were

1065
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: playing with teams they don't normally play with. They were

1066
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: putting on kind of newer teams and building chemistry as

1067
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: it went. You know, do we know that Arch is

1068
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: going to be able to do that? So that's the thing.

1069
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: A lot of it kind of goes back. You're saying

1070
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: earlier Arch might be a safe bet, but by no

1071
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: means is it's a safe bet that he's going to

1072
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: be the number one player come that final ranking in January.

1073
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: Other quarterbacks are going to continue to have opportunities to

1074
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: pass them up. And I think this is a debate

1075
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: that's going to go not just until those final rankings,

1076
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: but could go all the way into.

1077
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: Call it fascinating. Are there any programs at this point?

1078
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: I know you said what Dante mor is still the

1079
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: only really big fish, and he's people are pointing him

1080
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: towards Oregon. Are there teams right now where your voice

1081
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: goes up and you say, I don't know, they don't

1082
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: have a twenty twenty three guy, And it's not because

1083
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: they just pulled in a guy from the portal or

1084
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: they have a huge twenty twenty four guy, Like right now,

1085
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: who is left without a chair in this in the

1086
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: quarterback domino thing?

1087
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: I mean, right now, you obviously look at it as

1088
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 3: for a team that's kind of on the f swinge

1089
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: and the team that's being consistently good, they don't really

1090
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 3: have a guy, and that's the defending national chance. You know,

1091
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: there is a lot of talk that once archly his decision,

1092
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 3: would Georgia all of a sudden try to get involved

1093
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: with some of the other quarterbacks that were available with

1094
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: the Dante more with a Jane or shot in that

1095
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: three day window. I think you look at Georgia and

1096
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's not to say that Churty Smart is

1097
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 3: anti quarterback, he's anti offense. You know, sometimes his quarterback

1098
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: pick leaves you scratching your head little bit. But he

1099
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: did just win a national championship, so he's probably bought

1100
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: himself some time. But it's also kind of early reminiscent

1101
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 3: of that two thousand and seven to twenty thirteen to

1102
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: fourteen era Alabama where the defenses were always so good

1103
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: that you could win a national championship with an AJ mccerren,

1104
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: that you could win a national championship with the Greg McLeroy,

1105
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: that you didn't need an elite guy at quarterback. But

1106
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: if you're Georgia, you still are going to eventually need

1107
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: some points to score because as the Alabama's the A

1108
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: and M's shore up their defense, you're still going to

1109
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: need a quarterback that can put points on the board.

1110
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: So maybe they're a school that relies on the portal.

1111
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: Down the line, maybe they're a school that looks at

1112
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: a situation. I mean, Miami now has two or the

1113
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: eleven finalists at quarterback. Ammery Williams. You know, does he

1114
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: stim with Miami now that Jaden Ershot has committed there?

1115
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: You know, does Florida? And Florida would be the other

1116
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: school that I would say, right after Georgia is left

1117
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: holding you know, kind of an empty bat. But Georgia

1118
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: is a national champs, so they're the most glaring one

1119
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: at this point.

1120
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, and down the line, down the list of

1121
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say lesser quarterbacks about lower ranked quarterbacks.

1122
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: Are their names?

1123
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: Right now?

1124
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: You mentioned, oh, now, I forget his name, Michigan State's

1125
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: signee from last year or who you thought kaien Hauser,

1126
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: Yes that you know had really good measurables and a

1127
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: nice fit for him in Michigan State. When you look

1128
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: like that second or third tier of quarterbacks in the

1129
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: class of twenty three and who they selected, are you

1130
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: just like you know what? I get it good for them.

1131
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: That's a marriage made in heaven. I like the pairing.

1132
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't think any first year coach underwent more scrutiny

1133
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: than Brian Harson. And a lot of it might have

1134
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: been self inflicted. A lot of it was just what

1135
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: happens when you take a job at Auburn. But right

1136
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 3: now they're poised to get kind of maybe the Devin

1137
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 3: Brown of this class. Maybe I'm not going to quite

1138
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: call them the CJS job, but that's Rock Lynn out

1139
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: of Tennessee, who kind of played the long game instead

1140
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: of commitment early and jumping on some operas. He's watched

1141
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 3: his stock rise after every event. He'll be at the

1142
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: Lead eleven finals when Greg Biggins and I broke down

1143
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: our Lead eleven kind of guys who we thought could

1144
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 3: have the biggest jump out this week. Brocklynn was Greg's

1145
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 3: pick because there's always that one quarterback who kind of

1146
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: just hovers there. He's in that second tier and then

1147
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: just gradually keeps moving up and then ends up in

1148
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: a right fit, a right situation as a quarterback, And

1149
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 3: right now Brocklynn could be that guy. I'm not saying

1150
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: he's gonna end up like Devin Brown, rut the top

1151
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: three quarterback or a CJ. Stroud, but he could be

1152
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: the guy who benefits the most because he's available. Other

1153
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: schools are striking out right now, Auburn's in a great

1154
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: position to land up the crystal ball's pointed that way.

1155
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: But with schools that struck out on quarterbacks, do they

1156
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: start to get involved? And now he gets really his

1157
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: pick of the litter, and so a Devin Brown, a c. J. Stroud,

1158
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: They both end up at Ohio State by playing the

1159
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: long waiting game. Maybe Brocklynn ends up in a perfect

1160
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: situation just by being patient. But he is the name

1161
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: that I think the average recruiting fan may not even

1162
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 3: be that familiar with. We'll just tuck that one back away,

1163
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: because he might be a guy that just continues to

1164
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: trend upwards and ends up in a great situation.

1165
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 2: I love the idea of having a clear first pick

1166
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: for who you sign in a quarterback class, but are

1167
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: keeping your couch warm for some other guys who you

1168
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: kind of have to be honest with and say, look,

1169
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: this guy's our guy. But if it doesn't work out,

1170
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: you're our backup plan. There has to be is I

1171
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: don't know if it's awkward. I don't know if you

1172
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: just have to be radically transparent, but that has to

1173
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: be a reality right now. It's probably been a reality

1174
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: for some time where you just straightforward with these guys.

1175
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: We're in on this guy, we like you a lot,

1176
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, we love you. That has to be

1177
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: what we're dealing with now. That teams are nice to

1178
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks but not too nice, that there's just there's a

1179
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: weird relationship management behind the scenes that I don't I'm

1180
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: assuming parents don't love and coaches don't love that, they

1181
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: don't feel as respected as other guys, but yet they

1182
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: want to play at big time places. That feels like

1183
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes nuance that probably is happening every day.

1184
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I'm going to give you two examples, one

1185
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: from nine years ago, one from last week, and they

1186
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 3: were both involving Bay Area quarterbacks. In twenty fourteen would

1187
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: have been the spring of twenty thirteen, Kyle Allen was

1188
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: everybody's number one quarterback in the country coming out of Scottsdale.

1189
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted him Arizona State. Todd Graham had to have him.

1190
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: His final four I think was like Arizona State, Texas

1191
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: A and m UCLA and somebody else, but Arizona State

1192
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: that entire time told Nanny Wilkins, listen, we love you.

1193
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: This kid is literally ten minutes from campus. We've been

1194
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: recruiting him for three years. You just emerged on the scene.

1195
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: You just became a start at this last ball. We've

1196
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: been recruiting this guy. We have to recruit him. But

1197
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: the second we know where we're at with him, and

1198
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: if we're not getting him, we are pivoting right to you.

1199
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Allen commits to Arizona State. Within like an hour,

1200
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: Arizona State offers Manny Wilkins. Arizona had offered him like

1201
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 3: a few days before, thinking we're gonna get we love

1202
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: you now, we'll offer you now. But because Arizona State

1203
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: played it so perfectly and was completely honest with Manny,

1204
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 3: they got his commitment. He ended up being a starter

1205
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: for what two three years at ASCU. And then last

1206
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: week Luke Duncan, quarterback out of Marland High School in

1207
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: our Endo, got an offer from CAL in April, but

1208
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 3: at that point Cal hadn't been dunked by Jaden Rashota.

1209
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: So they kept recruiting well Luke, but never push him

1210
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 3: to make a commitment, never said hey, you can come

1211
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: here right now. They were waiting until they knew officially

1212
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: they were out of it for Jayden ershot Up. Well,

1213
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: then Jayden Ershoda announces his final five, Cal's not in it.

1214
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: Cal pivots exclusively to Duncan, gets him set up for

1215
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: an official visit, whereas UCLA played the long game and said, hey,

1216
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: we want to see you throw out the Sacramento State camp.

1217
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to wait a couple of weeks

1218
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: before we signed off on audio one more time, but

1219
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: we want to see you. UCLA just kept staying, hey,

1220
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: we like you, We just want to see you more,

1221
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: but the head coach is not able to get in

1222
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: the road. In the spring, they wanted Chip Kell at

1223
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: the opportunity, Cal had already offered it, but never let

1224
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: them commit. Well, Duncan liked the candidates, at which U said, listen,

1225
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: we like you, we just want to make sure we

1226
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 3: like you. We want to see you in person rather

1227
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: than we like you, but we don't want to date

1228
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: you right now. Where we wanted the homecoming queen, we'll

1229
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 3: go get to you in a minute. Luke Duncan gets

1230
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: offered by UCLA on a Friday, commits to them on

1231
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: a Tuesday. Now Cal strikes out on Jaden Rashott, which

1232
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: was always a pipe tream to really begin with in

1233
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: the last few months, and then they lose out on

1234
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: another local prospect and a third quarterback that they had offered.

1235
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: Aiden Childs. Didn't want to play the long game and

1236
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: wait for schools to be their second choice. He commits

1237
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: the organ stas So now CAL could be in a

1238
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 3: position in what's been their biggest bubgaboo the last four

1239
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: years under Justin Wilcox quarterback play. You know. So now

1240
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: Cal is in a situation where they lost a local

1241
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: kid who had Cal ties, and he's going to a

1242
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: pactool rival, and now there's not any other real probably

1243
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: options that are very obvious to them. Where did anybody else?

1244
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: I can't imagine if I had asked somebody to prom

1245
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: and they said, all right, So maybe if I if

1246
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't get a yes from Brandon Hoffman, if I

1247
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: don't get a yes from Tail and Brands, I think

1248
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: I could make it work with you, Dan and both

1249
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: feeling good but nervous, and at any point you could

1250
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: get a call that you're the guy, but at any

1251
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: point you get a call that like, ooh, sorry about that.

1252
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: That's why you have a friend who kind of just says, hey, man,

1253
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: if you want to ask you, what would you say,

1254
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: just totally yeah, not that he's going to we are.

1255
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: Not for data purposes.

1256
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: Hypothetically.

1257
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is why I'm not cut out

1258
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: for this. And I guess you have the temperament and

1259
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: you have the know how. Brandon Hoffman, twenty four to seven,

1260
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: National Recruiting Editor, Thanks as always for your time and insight,

1261
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: and hopefully the next time we see you, if Nico

1262
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: is the trendsetter that you claim him to be, you

1263
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: will have a long ponytail or a couple of ponytail,

1264
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: maybe some pajama pants going, and we are all going

1265
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: to be on trend sooner rather than later.

1266
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: I will most definitely be in pajama pants in December,

1267
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: but might just have to bust out the pit bipers.

1268
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: That's tough, all right, Brandon, Thanks as always for your time.

1269
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, all right, Dan, there you go.

1270
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: Brandon hoff been longtime pal of the verbal We appreciate

1271
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: his time, his wisdom, his insight as always. Man, how

1272
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: his job has changed in the last two years, right,

1273
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: I just kept thinking about it as we went through

1274
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: that conversation with him, talk about an entire industry being

1275
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: upended by a new variable. I don't know if it

1276
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: means that the likes of Alabama and Ohio State and

1277
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: these traditional college football powers now have to totally change

1278
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: what they've done for the last decade. That, of course,

1279
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: is the pipe dream if you're like an Auburn fan,

1280
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: or if you're a Missouri fan, or if you're below

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: that top wrung mm hm. But it certainly has changed

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Speaker 1: things for mister Hoffman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandon has to. I mean it's changed everything. Has

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Speaker 2: changed things for us too. I mean just the portal

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Speaker 2: era is just so different, so different in terms of

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Speaker 2: remembering who's where. Yeah, do you know where Connor Bezilac

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Speaker 2: and Jack Plumber are right now? I kind of do,

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Speaker 2: But maybe I don't. I don't know, Like, it's just

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Speaker 2: it's different, and that's okay. Things of all things change,

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Speaker 2: that's the only certainty in life. But it has become busier,

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Speaker 2: it has become a longer list of names, to keep

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Speaker 2: track of. So I'm okay with it because again, come

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Speaker 2: New Eastern Time or whatever on Saturday mornings this fall,

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Speaker 2: Indiana's gonna be wearing red, Miszoo's gonna be wearing black

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Speaker 2: and gold. It's all the same. So I'm I'm good

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Speaker 2: with it. But yeah, it's definitely different. But you know,

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Speaker 2: Brandon's still going to camps, He's still going going to

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Speaker 2: commitment ceremonies, streaming terrible streams of guys committing where it's

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Speaker 2: just like I think they're on a U stream or something.

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01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: They're like they're on a plant. There are some kids

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Speaker 2: committing to possibly cal on a real player stream and

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Speaker 2: I have to download some sort of Windows Medium plug,

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: the Chrome win Ant plug in Nowville. Yes, yeah, so

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Speaker 2: there's always going to be that difficulty, I suppose. But man,

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Speaker 2: I thought about the sort of we're cool with you

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01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: if this kid isn't cooler with us element to quarterback recruiting,

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Speaker 2: which has to exist, and I would have been a wreck.

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: I would have been a wreck if I were let's say,

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: at best, I was like a D three tennis recruits

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Speaker 2: D two tennis recruit at best, and like Wesleyan put

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Speaker 2: me on hold on the Wesleyan benched me or Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: Whitewater benched me and said, well, I worry there's this

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Speaker 2: other guy that we're looking at for number three doubles,

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Speaker 2: and if he says no, maybe I'd be a wreck.

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Speaker 2: I'd be an absolute wreck. That's why I'm not cut

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Speaker 2: out for it.

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Speaker 1: I have two kind of relevant points.

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Speaker 3: Of experience on this.

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Speaker 1: Your prom date, not my prom date, okay, surprisingly not

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Speaker 1: my prom date here okay. But in the Mysterious Day Job,

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Speaker 1: when it came to hiring m HM, you always had

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Speaker 1: that kind of odd dance where it's like you really

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01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: like a candidate, but you really like somebody else a

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Speaker 1: little bit more, and you have to try and entice

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Speaker 1: them to commit to a point where you're willing to

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Speaker 1: let the other person know like, sorry, you didn't get

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Speaker 1: the job. You liked you but right, and you have

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Speaker 1: to make sure before you dismiss that person, otherwise you're

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Speaker 1: only doing yourself at the service. The other relevant point

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Speaker 1: of experience, truly is NCAA fourteen in the old video game. Yes,

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Speaker 1: when you're recruiting and you don't want to stack too

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Speaker 1: many quarterbacks, but you know you need to get one

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01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: and you're just not sure until you're sure, right, But

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Speaker 1: otherwise that's it for me, Dan Like it's a relatively

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: small sliver of life experience that I can apply.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you this. We talk about the portal

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: era you dated in, like the pre swiping era I believe,

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01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: right before online data. No, that's not true. You you

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01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: were single at times when there was online dating, but

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Speaker 2: not as ubiquitous as it's become the last five or

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Speaker 2: six years. Right, that's correct. What year did you start

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Speaker 2: dating your wife? Twenty ten? Okay, so I feel as

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Speaker 2: if it was like more of a twenty twelve. Thirteen

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Speaker 2: was when it really sort of kicked up into high gear,

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01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: like the Tinder hinge bumble. I don't know all of

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01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: the apps anymore, it's been I've been out of the

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01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: game for quite some time. But I will say this,

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Speaker 2: at least with that era of dating in my experience,

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Speaker 2: limited as it may be, there is that concept of

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: as you are swiping and speaking to different people, you

1351
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: will sort of map out a hierarchy in your head.

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: About this would be the best situation if it comes.

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: To fruition card sorting exercise.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I like this situation. I don't know if

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: I like it as much as this. And there's that

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01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: concept of benching where maybe you're talking a little bit

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01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: less to this person and not giving off, as you know,

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: enthusiastic vibes because you're hoping to make it work with

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Speaker 2: this person and you're just sorting through things in your head.

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: And it's a total guess because you don't know how

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: things are gonna go, and you don't know what kind

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01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: of you know, vibe or attraction you'll have to each

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01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: other when you're in person and you go on actual dates.

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Speaker 2: But I'll say this, I wasn't above it. I was

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01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: not above like, Okay, I don't want to date four

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01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: people at the same time. I think I'm most into

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01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: this situation right now. Let's see where it goes. But

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna ignore this person. But I'm not gonna

1369
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: throw the A plus conversational points at this person right now.

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: Right I've been there, I got married, it worked out.

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01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: But I'm saying it's a very human way to approach

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Speaker 2: tricky situations, juggling tricky situations. Well, I hope everyone enjoyed

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: our shating vague about how he used the apps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope everyone enjoyed our chat with Brandon Hoffman.

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01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the consumption data on this show.

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Speaker 1: I even nosed ive it took in the last five minutes.

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Speaker 3: I listen.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to talk about it more, Ty, if you

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Speaker 2: want to go further.

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Speaker 1: If you want to go further, why not going over

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Speaker 1: to for Bowlers dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good call.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Forballers dot Com is where we talk about important topics

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Speaker 1: such as this. Yeah, some of it is college football

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Speaker 1: related over on our patreon at forballers dot com. I've

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Speaker 1: seen an uptick in folks that are joining now getting

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Speaker 1: prep for the season, and you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: for Ballers dot Com is where you can check that out.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: Early access to this show Discord access. As I've said

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Speaker 1: time and again now, a lot of redecorating going on

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Speaker 1: over on discord. If you're not familiar with Discord, now

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Speaker 1: is a great time to familiarize yourself. So cool and

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Speaker 1: learn about what our awesome community is doing with it.

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Speaker 2: It's a free chat app. It's very easy, and it rules.

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Speaker 1: It is a chat app.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is correct.

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Speaker 1: It's the best Rebollers dot com. Solid Giveaway dot Com.

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Speaker 1: You've got a handful of days left until the end

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Speaker 1: of the week when we draw the winner for that

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Speaker 1: Brian Brazie sign Clemson mini helmet.

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Speaker 2: I want to, like, I'm trying to figure out what

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Speaker 2: would be the most like randomly esoteric, like, could we

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: get a Jeff Brahm NFL Europe mini helmet to give?

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Speaker 2: Could we get what team was he on? Was he

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Speaker 2: on like the Barcelona Drag. I don't remember all of

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Speaker 2: the teams I'm looking right now as a player doesn't

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Speaker 2: have his NFL Europe Was he on? Was he NFL

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Speaker 2: Europe or was he like something? Okay, so he was

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Speaker 2: on the Orlando Rage in two thousand and one, he

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Speaker 2: was on an XFL team?

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Speaker 3: Maybe he was?

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Speaker 2: So can we get a Jeff Brahms signed Orlando Rage helmet?

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01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: Who are notable NFL Europe people? Do you remember? I

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: don't most well known NFL Europe players? Oh my god?

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: Could we get a Terry Cruz signed mini helmet?

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna have to take to eBay after

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Speaker 1: this and see what.

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Speaker 2: We can do. Yeah, that's what I want.

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Speaker 1: So I'll giveaway dot com enter for your chance to win.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on social media. We'll be back on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Much more college football coming at you in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: big thanks to our guest Brandon Hoffman, Daniel Rubinstein. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time, your wisdom, your wit.

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Speaker 1: As per usual for myself, Tie Hilton and Brand. Thanks

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01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: as always to our esteemed verballerhood. We'll talk you all

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Speaker 1: in a few days.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,