1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, today we have 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham with us because we thought it was 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: really important to go through everything that happened in Munich, 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: and there seemed to be no one better than Mary 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Catherine to join me today. Thank you so much for 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: joining me. I know you are part of the Clay 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: and Buck network. Also you have the Normally podcast alongside 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: Carol Markowitz, and also you're the host of Getting Hammered. 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining me. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, so such kind words. I appreciate 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: being here. 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited about talking about this because obviously I 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: was watching this over the weekend, and actually I was 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: traveling last night, so I was kind of like going 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: through and rewatching some of the things that were said 16 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: because it's interesting to me as we see the Democrats 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: kind of stumbling and fumbling and trying to figure out 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: who is going to be the leader in twenty eight 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: it's like they're putting these people out and they're testing them. 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: But they've always been this amazing miss in the past. 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: I've looked at them and gone, wow, they really have 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: things tightened up. They know what they're doing. But when 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: it comes to messaging. They are so off. This is 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: like word salad part two. 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: No, they don't know what direction to go in general. 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: And I think they also have a little bit of 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: Democrat privilege when it comes to being asked questions at all. 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 3: So such a good way. You can show up at 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: Munich and think I'll be fine. I'm AOC. Everyone loves me. 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 3: The media has never asked me anything terribly tough. Sure, 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: I don't know these issues, but I'm like, I'm great. 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: And that sort of fell apart on the big stage 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: because she was asked things that she didn't know about 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: and she was not deft in handling those. 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: So I think there's some of that going on. 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: Also, Democrats are having trouble, despite you know, Republican losses 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: in various places, and they've done well in special elections. 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: They're having trouble landing on a message because they are 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: largely led progressive groups who demand that they say things 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: that regular voters don't like, so they're trying to figure 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: out how to reconcile that. They also can't get people 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: to even come into the office, so that has been 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: tricky for them and some who would like to win 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: elections for Democrats are like, it seems like if we 46 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: think this is actually an emergency beating Republicans, we should 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: come to the office and work on it. And the 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: rank and file workers are like, nah, that sounds crazy. 49 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: We don't think we want to be part of that. 50 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Well there, so I will say that is definitely a 51 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: problem that Gretchen Whitmer would have a here in Michigan. 52 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: We've watched people, they've struggled to get people back to work, 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: but she is another one that went over there. So 54 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: AOC and Whitmer were on a panel together. This panel 55 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: was literally a foreign policy panel. You would think that 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: going there, you would say, what are some of the 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: major foreign policy issues? And it would be pretty clear 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: that Taiwan and Ukraine would be at the top of 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: that list, wouldn't you. 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, that seems logical. 61 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: Again, this is not your You're not being asked about 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: the Undersecretary for Agriculture in Gambia, Like, that's not what 63 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: you're being asked. You're being asked major issues. And I 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: want to stress this, no one forced either of these 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: people to go to Munich. 66 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: They right decided to go. 67 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: They went to Munich presumably knowing that it is a 68 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: foreign policy gathering. They went, I assume looking to burnish credentials. 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: And yet I would say, if you've been in Congress 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: for eight years, as AOC has, you should have some 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: thoughts on this. 72 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: Whitmer is a governor, it is less likely that she's 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: going to encounter these things. Again. No one forced her 74 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: to go and try to show off. 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: No, But I think that's the important point, is that 76 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: people don't understand. You don't just you don't get invited. 77 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: People aren't begging you. You're lobbying to be a part 78 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: of that. She knew what, Yes, she knew what she 79 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: was going to. She was trying to get people there. 80 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: But you made a really great point a few minutes ago, 81 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: and that is, if you were in the United States 82 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: and you are a Democrat, you are almost never tested. 83 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: And certainly on the state level. The media has very 84 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: much cushioned her. They've protected Whitmer. AOC is always protected. Look, 85 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: she came back after she totally flubbed it. She came 86 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: back and the New York Times guys is tweeting out, 87 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: don't worry, guys, she called me, let me explain. Can 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: you imagine them ever doing that for me? For a Republican. 89 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: No, could you just write down everything I say why 90 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: I wasn't great and then write it And then also 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: if you could sprinkle in your own defenses of me, 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: that'd be great too, and he did that. I think 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: if you don't have thoughts on these big issues before 94 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: you go, you shouldn't be going. But if you go, 95 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: you have six to eight hours on an airplane, just 96 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: just memorize something. Just memorize something. And the thing that 97 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: gets me about AOC is, she says in her interview, 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 3: I use the term lightly with The New York Times 99 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: while she's stenography for her she says that, yeah, I 100 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: wasn't even there to audition. You guys are so caught 101 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: up in the horse race. What I was doing was 102 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: just like offering this different view of the world that's 103 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: very important to these important people. Okay, well you failed 104 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: that too. You should have concentrated on how you were 105 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: going to do that and then whimber. My favorite part 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: of hers was like, you know, other people here are 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: better at answering this than I am. And then the 108 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: Ambassador's like, no, no, you go ahead and go you please, 109 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: and she says I'm a governor, like she doesn't encounter 110 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: these things. 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: Fine, why are you here? Right? 112 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: And we know there is no question that she has 113 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: been trying to get into that twenty twenty eight lineup. 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: She was trying to be vice president. That wasn't a secret, 115 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: that was absolutely out there in the open. In fact, 116 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: there were even reports that she was told by the 117 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: Biden administration ahead of time, you will be the pick. 118 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: And she had staff members that were looking at real 119 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: estate in DC when they were told, actually, we had 120 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: to go with Kamala Harris. So we know that she 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: wanted to be this person. She has made multiple trips overseas. 122 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: But even if you were okay, so pretend you're completely 123 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: brain dead on everything else, how could you not have 124 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: a position on Ukraine, even if you couldn't figure out Taiwan, 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: how could you not be able to say, you know what, 126 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: I really believe that we are at a in a 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: situation where we have to be able to negotiate between 128 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: these two countries. There's got to be some diplomacy. She 129 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: has no she can't say anything. She said land mass. 130 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: I hope they can keep their land mass well. 131 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: And as you note, it's not that it has to 132 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: be a perfect answer there is a perfect answer for 133 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: some of these things. These are not easy situations, but 134 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: it is actually fairly simple to get briefed up and 135 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: to have something to offer, because you have showed up 136 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: to tell people you have something to offer, so you 137 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: should add something on the top of. 138 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: Your head to do so. 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: And I look, I have this complaint sometimes frankly about Trump, 140 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: where I'm like, you need to be as prepared for 141 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: these questions as I am for a Tuesday TV hit, right, 142 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: and I'll get annoyed with him. And also he's been 143 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: elected president twice. He's not auditioning. And one more thing 144 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: about Trump, he doesn't get caught with nothing to say, right, 145 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: That's true. That is also a skill that neither of 146 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: these women showed under pressure here. 147 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: That and that's what we saw. And honestly, as I 148 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: watched this, I was disappointed to not see some strong 149 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Republican women out there, because I do think that the 150 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: American women that are coming out on the Democrat side 151 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: are making women American women look bad. We already have 152 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: this bad stain on our record with Kamala Harris out 153 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: there and not being able to I mean, you say, 154 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: at least Trump never is at a lack of having 155 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: something to say. She could never actually she said a lot. 156 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: It never was anything that was the more embarrassing situation. 157 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: But even looking at what I've seen from the Democrats, 158 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: there is this underlying feeling that they think if they 159 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: go on the world stage and they trash the president, 160 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: that the rest of the world stage is going to 161 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: come around them. They think that what they are doing 162 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: on the national stage is going to play worldwide. And 163 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: what they're miscalculating is that the people in the world stage, 164 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: the European countries, the Asian countries, the Latin American countries, 165 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: certainly Europe and Latin America, they don't want to look 166 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: at the United States and say, if the Democrats getting 167 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: back into power, we're going to be in trouble because 168 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: America will not be strong. But to go out there 169 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: with the only messages we hate Trump and my gosh, 170 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: could Hillary Clinton have been more embarrassing when she just 171 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: went bananas and she starts throwing out, we don't have 172 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: any women's rights in the United States. What is she 173 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: talking about? My gosh, This woman was a senator, she 174 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: was a first lady, she was the Secretary of State. 175 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: For crying out loud. How could she possibly sit there 176 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: and honest to goodness say women don't have rights. 177 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: Well, and she's not auditioning for anything, so you know, 178 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: that's like her real thought. 179 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: She's just a crab now, Yes, But. 180 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: One thing that struck me about that situation is again, 181 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: democrat privilege. 182 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: She's barely getting pushed. 183 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: She's barely getting pushed in that back and forth with 184 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: I believe he was check lawmaker or chech thought leader 185 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: or representative there. And she is not calm underfire. She 186 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: starts just sort of yelling things yeah, and there are 187 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: plenty of points you can make calmly in that sit 188 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: situation that probably would have gone over fine. And again, 189 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: when you're in this type of gathering that is sort 190 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: of over intellectualized, screaming at your interlocutor is not the 191 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: way to go about it. I don't know where she was. 192 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: She was all over the map though, by the way, 193 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: because she also was like, hey, we should probably admit 194 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: that mass migration is like pretty destabilizing and bad for 195 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: a bunch of people, which is quite a thing to 196 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: say in front of Europe, especially after you kept your 197 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: mouth shut for the last ten years about Europe. 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 2: In the last four years. 199 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: About the US, But you know, I guess they're admitting 200 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: things that the rest of US knew ten years ago. Now. 201 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that they talked so much about 202 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: women's rights and women's role and she actually moderated a 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: panel that was kind of like a women's slash LGBTQ 204 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: rights panel, And it was interesting to me because I 205 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: do think that as women, it is harder to be 206 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,359 Speaker 1: taken seriously in a room like that if you are screeching. 207 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: You know, we go into those moments and we know 208 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: that you have to be very serious, you have to 209 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: be calm. You don't have the same ability to rise 210 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: to anger as a man does because you're not taken 211 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: as seriously, and certainly she would understand that. And the 212 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: frustrating thing to me is she had Marco Rubio's position. 213 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio delivered this phenomenal speech. We were all incredibly impressed. 214 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: But he was able to deliver that speech and have 215 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: the room come around him because he is doing the 216 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: meetings on the ground. When he says I'm meeting with 217 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: these people behind the scenes, he's actually meeting with them. 218 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: They know they're prepared for what he's going to say 219 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: they're prepared for that boldness. Was she completely clueless as 220 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Secretary of State? How long have we had a Democrat 221 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: party that does not understand has no self awareness or 222 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: awareness of the room around them. 223 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: I think that Hillary is mad at the world because 224 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 3: he didn't get the position that she wants to get. 225 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: And so that's like, oh, happy birthday, Madam President. That's 226 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: my favorite tweet. 227 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: It's always sitting there in the back of her mind. 228 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: And even though she is still invited to these very 229 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: high level gatherings, I think she is easy, perhaps to 230 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: tick off, because she's. 231 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Mad that Rubio has the job she had. 232 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: She's mad that Trump has the job she wanted, and 233 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: thin that she thinks that that is deeply unfair and 234 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: that we were all unfair to her. 235 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: And I don't know, girl, like, you're not making me 236 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: convinced that people were super unfair to you. 237 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: You're making me convinced that you thought you were entitled 238 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: to something and you didn't do a ton of appealing 239 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: to people. 240 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: And here what was interesting because she's on this panel 241 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: where she is talking about women's rights, and they keep 242 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: going back to the right, and the right has taken 243 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: all this away from women, and you've got Sarah McBride 244 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: on this panel, which to me is frustrating that we're 245 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: talking about women's rights and the United States representative is 246 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: a transgender person who who actually said threats toward trans 247 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: people are threats toward all women. And I just fundamentally 248 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: disagree with that. I don't think we are the same. 249 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: I don't like being put into that bucket. I don't 250 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: like that discussion. But Hillary Clinton kept going back to 251 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: the right is so well funded, we can't fight them, 252 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? 253 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: Y'all have plenty of billionaires, and they were also bilking 254 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: taxpayers out of right so much money, funneling it into 255 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: the NGOs. No, it's crazy. They frequently outspend Republicans and 256 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: they just say not a word about it, because as 257 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: long as they're the ones outspending Republicans, it's good money. 258 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: And billionaires who are left leaning are good billionaires, and 259 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: all that's fine. I mean, it really is just based 260 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: on whatever the rules of the moment are. I also 261 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: reject this framing that a threat to trans women is 262 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: a threat to women because we're not the same, and 263 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: in fact, those rights collide on a regular basis, and 264 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: I'll give you a very sort of casual example of that. 265 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: Today. 266 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: I was talking to a friend and he informed me 267 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: that Dylan mulvaney got one of six female roles men 268 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: for females in. 269 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: A prestigious Broadway production. 270 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: And so there's a woman out there who could have 271 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: had that role who didn't get that role. 272 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: Right, That is a collision of rights there. 273 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: Now, it's a privilege, obviously to be cast in one 274 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: of these shows. 275 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: I'm not aware that mulvaney has a ton of Broadway. 276 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: Experience, but regardless, it does great on the women that 277 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: these very rare opportunities, many of them are being taken 278 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: up by men. 279 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. Will continue next on 280 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. And there is not a way 281 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: to look past the fact that we have seen these 282 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: medications that these people are put on to change their bodies, 283 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: change their hormones, which really does it really does mess 284 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: with your mind somehow. We see this outburst of mass 285 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: shootings from this group, and that is something that I 286 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: feel like we are not allowed to address. And yet 287 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: again over the weekend, we just saw another one, and 288 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: I really feel like this is a totally this is 289 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: not these are not women. You're not becoming a woman. 290 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: That was something that Sarah McBride said, what I have 291 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: shoulder lengked hair and glasses and I'm not woman enough. Well, 292 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: you're not a woman. 293 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: That's like And I think we bride is better at 294 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: framing this than like ninety percent of activists, by the way, 295 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: but the fact remains that were not the same. 296 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: And the fact remains. 297 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: Actually, I was reading a piece in The Argument, which 298 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: is a left leaning publication, but honest and fairly intellectual, 299 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: and they had done some polling on trans issues and 300 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: found that since twenty sixteen, the idea of shared bathrooms, 301 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: the idea of locker room spaces, the idea of trans 302 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: rights in general, had just taken this huge nosedive. 303 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: And I submit it is because we ran a ten year. 304 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: Experiment and people don't like the results, and they didn't 305 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: like how they were treated when they tried to raise 306 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: concerns about this, particularly when it came to the treatment 307 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: of miners by psychologists and physicians and in spaces that 308 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: they share in locker rooms. Just in Northern Virginia, in 309 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: the past couple of months, we've had a fifty something 310 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: sex offender who shows up in women's locker rooms all 311 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: over Northern Virginia schools and tries to go swimming in 312 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: pools and shower in the ladies room, and when people 313 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: complain about that, the school boards. 314 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: And the local officials are like, ooh, just let's not 315 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: punish him. We finally got a prosecutor to go after him. 316 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: But these are real things that people saw in their 317 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: real lives. And the result is that you guys yelled 318 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: at us and we're real jerks about this. For ten years, 319 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: we tried it out, we don't like it, and now 320 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 3: you have to pay the price for that in public policy, 321 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: which is that this was a failed. 322 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: Experiment and people are going to go back the other direction. 323 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: Well, and that wasn't interesting to me, is that that's 324 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: the message that they chose to go out with on 325 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: the world stage, when really, if you look back, a 326 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: lot of people credit the ad Trump is for you, 327 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: Kamala's for they them with winning because so many women 328 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: and parents in general, I mean to your point, as parents, 329 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: we are concerned when our daughters go into a locker room, 330 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: when our daughters go into a public restroom and there's 331 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: a man in there, and that I think was overwhelming. 332 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: It's not just mothers. You know. My dad would just 333 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: have freaked out if he thought I was in danger. 334 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: You just have this innate protection of your children, you know. 335 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: So this idea that you're going to put children in 336 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: harm's way was totally asinine. But I still am not 337 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: hearing a message from them. I mean I saw AOC 338 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: go over there and people were like, oh, she was 339 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: so great at talking about all of this stuff about 340 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: the economy. She didn't know that slave people didn't bring 341 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: cow or didn't bring horses to the United States. What 342 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: in the world was that when she was like, oh, 343 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio talked about cowboys, the people of Mexico and 344 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: slave people would like to have a word. And she 345 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: says it so so confidently. 346 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: Yes, wait till she hears where the Spanish language came from. 347 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: The Mexican language is it's I mean, really, will she 348 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: call it that? 349 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: No? 350 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: It is. 351 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: There's a part of being amocrat that means as long 352 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: as you say things like intersectionality and rules based order 353 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 3: and class based international politics, you will be counted as 354 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: a smart person. And once you're in the smart person bucket, 355 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 3: they'll put you on stage, and you will then reveal 356 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: that you have major gaps in your knowledge, and then 357 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: you will call the New York Times to say that 358 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: those major gaps don't matter, and the New York Times 359 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: will say those don't matter. 360 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: But is the New York Times just the the CBS 361 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris? I mean, really, at what point are 362 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: we going to say you have to stop making crap 363 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: up to try to cover for them, because that's what 364 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: they did with Kamala. They edited that piece to try 365 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: to save her butt because she didn't know enough. And 366 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: how do these people get They fail, They keep failing up, 367 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: and she could very very easily fail up to the 368 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Senate because the people of New York are willing to 369 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: fail people. I mean, look at Mom, Donnie and what's 370 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: happening in New. 371 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: York right now. 372 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: But as I watched her on the world stage, I 373 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: really was not just humiliated. I was stunned by the 374 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: fact that afterward they came out and they said, we 375 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: did so many hours of prep for this, because the 376 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: prep was obviously not on foreign policy. The prep was 377 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: on radical socialism, bringing because she did bring it back. 378 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to give her some grace 379 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: on the fact that she isn't complete more on when 380 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: it comes to history. She did bring it back to 381 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: socialism regularly and like this is you know, this is 382 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: what it should be. She was totally schooled by the 383 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: woman from Argentina who says, are you kidding me? Like 384 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: but very so politely, and that was the That was 385 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: the one part about it that I thought, like, here's 386 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: a woman who so graciously says, you know what I 387 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: am Actually you may say Maduro with a Spanish accent, 388 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: but I actually live right now there. You know. She's like, 389 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: I actually have Venezuelans that live in my neighborhood because 390 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: they had to leave their home and they are happy. 391 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was kind of interesting to watch that 392 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: perspective that we don't actually get to hear on the 393 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: national stage here because that the left is so hardcore 394 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: on Oh, anything that happens in Latin America is such 395 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: a disaster for America to be involved. Here you have 396 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: someone from Argentina saying, we would love to have we 397 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: are forgetting that we're having this trade deal with the 398 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: United States. We'd love to have the United States more involved. 399 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: We're so happy that Maduro was taken out of power, 400 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: that he was not elected. The people were cheering, and 401 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: yet they immediately move on as soon as they hear 402 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: that No. 403 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: There was a brief shining moment after Maduro was taken 404 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: out expertly by the US military and President Trump's decision, 405 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: in which you would see a bunch of Venezuelan Americans 406 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: cheering about this and Venezuelans on social media and you 407 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: would get this, oh, you got this sort of mainstreamed 408 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: message of like no, no, no, you guys are getting 409 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: this wrong. But the reason that the left gets it 410 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: wrong is because they think America bad, communism and socialism good. 411 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: This is one of the. 412 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 3: Reasons that AOC doesn't have a lot of deep thoughts 413 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: about defending Taiwan. 414 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: Right. 415 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: It's not that you have to say, yeah, we're gonna 416 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: send in troops, but her brain goes, I don't know, 417 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 3: like the CCP is kind of like on board with 418 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: the things that I like, and so she doesn't know 419 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: where to land. 420 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: They don't know to land. 421 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Against Maduro and for the people of Venezuela because in 422 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: their minds, ah, you know, it's sort of the cost 423 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: of doing business when it comes to communism, right, And 424 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: the real fascist is Donald Trump? This is a silly 425 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: way to think, or I think, as a Rubio put 426 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: it in his really soaring, beautiful speech. 427 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 2: Foolish, this is foolish. 428 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: This is a foolish binary that you are living your 429 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: life by to be ashamed of Western values and then 430 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: to lift up this thing that has hurt people for centuries. 431 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: Right, But many politicians on the left have trouble seeing that. 432 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: Clearly, well, I think that they clearly brought leftists together 433 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: at this conference. I mean, you have the one guy 434 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: on the panel with AOC who is saying, I think 435 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Europe should just join as one we should have one president, 436 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: the EU should be one thing. And his reasoning for 437 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: that was we'll never have the same amount of money 438 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: as the United States and therefore we don't have the 439 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: same voice, and we don't want the United States to 440 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: be more powerful than Europe. So Europe should come together 441 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: as kind of one umbrella under the EU and have 442 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: their own president. And honestly, that is a radical view. 443 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: But when you heard what Rubia was saying and giving 444 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: permission to say, we want to continue to hold onto 445 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: our heritage, we want to continue to hold on to 446 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: our culture. I believe there are many many leaders out 447 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: there who were waiting for the United States to say that, 448 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: because there is no leader of the EU that as one, 449 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: but the United States does have a very big voice. 450 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: And when the United States gives permission to say, you 451 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: actually should hold on to what Europe was, you should 452 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: hold on to your culture, You should be proud of 453 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: your heritage. And it is okay to be proud. It 454 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make you some radical nationalist. 455 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: You know, that word. 456 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: Has been demonized to the point where people are like, oh, 457 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: I can't love my own country. We're now giving them permission. 458 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: And that's why you saw a standing ovation, because who 459 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: doesn't want to love their history. Who doesn't want to 460 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: say I'm proud of who I am? 461 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he leadership matters, and he was leading 462 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: in that moment, and he was leading in a way 463 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: that was right for the room, that was addressing their concerns, 464 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 3: and you're right, was giving them permission by saying, you know, 465 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: our function is not to be a welfare state that 466 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 3: then apologizes for everything we do. 467 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: That's not our function in the world. 468 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: We're the Western world is the home of the Enlightenment 469 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: and free speech and religious liberty and all these amazing 470 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 3: things that have made the world prosper, and so you 471 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: don't have to do that. 472 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: It's basically get a hold of yourself. 473 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: Man to all of Europe, and I think there are 474 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 3: people who respond to that. 475 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: You see it in Italy where Georgia Maloney is a 476 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 2: perfect example of this. 477 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: Now, when she expressed pride in Italy and the idea 478 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: that there should be governable borders thereof she of course 479 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: was called the biggest fascist since Mussolini by much of 480 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: the ress. And it turns out actually that Italy's doing 481 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: pretty well and that she has made improvements that have 482 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: made Italians lives better, and that people like her. 483 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: And she's also extremely cool, which is a bonus, and 484 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: dresses great. 485 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think people overreacted to Maloney, and now 486 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: this has become something that Europeans are allowed to do 487 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 3: and many of them are insistent on doing it. 488 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: The politicians are behind the regular folks in this way. 489 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 490 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, it was funny to me 491 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton, as a former Secretary of State, sitting 492 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: next to a Czech politician and having that discussion with 493 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: him where he says, well, I think you just really 494 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: don't like Trump, and instead of her having a mature 495 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: reaction to it, that's when she started to go off. 496 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: But if she really understood European countries, and I do 497 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: think that if you are in the position of Marco 498 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Rubio or what Hillary Clinton, the position Hillary Clinton was 499 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: in as Secretary of State, your job is to go 500 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: into these other countries, understand who they are, understand their culture. 501 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: There is a way that you talk to people to 502 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: make sure that you can have a diplomatic discussion. And 503 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: I don't believe that she was capable of doing that. 504 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is that she would 505 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: have understood that czecher public is very proud of their culture. 506 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: Their borders are closed, they do not allow immigration. They 507 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: are very concerned with making sure that they preserve their 508 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: history and preserve who they are, and protect against communism 509 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: because they've experienced that as well. There's a whole history 510 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: there that was oozing out of the guid sitting next 511 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: to her, And yet she couldn't pause for a moment 512 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: and step outside of her own liberal mind and her 513 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: own hatred for Trump to go, Wow, this guy actually 514 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: lives a different story than I do. 515 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: Well, and he was also trying to explain something to 516 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 3: her about how Trump came about and it's something that 517 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: right politicians of left and right should listen to, which 518 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: is all he was saying, was like, people don't like 519 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 3: you because this whole class doing this whole thing all done, 520 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: went too far. 521 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: We don't like. Everybody was upset. Y'all kept ignoring us 522 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: and being jerks about it. 523 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 3: And then this other guy came along who was not 524 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: ignoring us and wasn't a jerk about it, right about 525 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: these things that we cared about. And she can't hear 526 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: that because she thinks her function and again her missed 527 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: moment is to be the one who informs us. 528 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: What is good for us. 529 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: And the idea that this man from the Czech Republic 530 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: had the audacity to tell her that the people might 531 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: think differently about what's good for them. 532 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: She didn't like that at all. 533 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: But I think both right and left the business of 534 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: politics is the business of persuading people on a regular basis. 535 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: They're like, if you let go of that and think 536 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: you're going to just parade all the way over to 537 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: the far right of the far left. 538 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: You will get in trouble for it eventually. 539 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: The far left is so they're so broken by their language, 540 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: and you can see it as they talk. It's like 541 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: they're so stuck in certain words. And that was why 542 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: I believe that when he started to say I believe 543 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: there's two genders, you went too far on this. That's 544 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: why she immediately turned it around to saying, do you 545 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: think there should be a war on women? Which was 546 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: clearly not what he was saying. She had to figure 547 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: out a way to make it acceptable, like I have 548 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: to throw something out there. But I noticed when she 549 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: was talking in the other panel with Sarah McBride, they 550 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: were talking about how, you know, trans people are the 551 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: tip of the spear and they're leading for women and 552 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: they're leading for women's rights and all these things, and 553 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Sarah McBride, this is what I mean by getting caught 554 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: up in their own language. She said, you know, the 555 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: problem is that the right always needs a boogieyman, I 556 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: mean a boogie person legitimately said that. 557 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: Now is it's because for years that was the coin 558 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: of the realm. That's how you get on the panel, 559 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: is you use that language boogie inclusivity, boogie is very important, 560 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: my gosh, and I saw a couple sort of more 561 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: moderate critics of some of these folks who are on 562 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: these stages. AOC and Whitmer are saying, look, if you 563 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: talk like a college professor, it's not going to cut 564 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: it with the American people like that. You sound like 565 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: a lunatic when you talk this way, And I think 566 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: that's one of those examples. I would also caution for 567 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: Republicans that on the trans issue in particular and on 568 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: these gender issues, yes, people think the left is crazy 569 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: on this and they are mad at the left about it. 570 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they won't listen to the left on 571 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 3: other issues. So Forinya is a place where I think 572 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: the campaign for governor got way too far into that 573 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: issue alone and didn't address which Democrats are out of 574 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: touch on. Didn't address affordability, which is what people are 575 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: thinking about all the time. So there's differences in what 576 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: people vote on versus what they think the Dems are 577 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: crazy on. 578 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: And you make a great point for the midterms because 579 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: there's differences on what is a national story than what 580 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: is a local story, and your statewide races are local races. 581 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: So I think oftentimes we as Republicans go, oh, that 582 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: worked here, That's going to work here, And that's you've 583 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: got to You've got to personalize your race. You've got 584 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: to see you have to actually talk to the people 585 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: on the ground and understand what they want I mean 586 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: in and that's I would say the same thing for Michigan. 587 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we we also talked about that. That was 588 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 1: not the concern on the ground here. The concern is 589 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: are we going to have jobs? Are we going to 590 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: reduce our energy costs affordability? Exactly what you're saying, And 591 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: though that's that's critical for us. These conferences are interesting 592 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: to see where their mind is, but we have to 593 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: make sure we know what we should be talking about 594 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: come midterms, which is now. 595 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. The key to Abigail Spamberger's success in 596 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: Virginia partially was she didn't moderate. She just didn't talk 597 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: about these issues that voters are mad at Democrats about. 598 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: She was like moving on, but. 599 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: She sure did immediately push them. M h, yeah, we are. 600 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: That's the sad thing. Well, I appreciate you coming on today, 601 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham. It was wonderful to talk to you, 602 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: and well I would love to have you back to 603 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: talk as we go through the midterms and we start 604 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: to see some of this stuff breaking down on how 605 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: people are. 606 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: Talking about it. Sounds great. Thank you so much for 607 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: having me. 608 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you all for joining us on 609 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast for this episode and others. You 610 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: can get it wherever you get your podcast, the iHeartRadio app, 611 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or you can watch on YouTube or rumble 612 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: at Tutor Dixon. 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