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Speaker 1: Drew Davenport is part of the Football Guys staff and

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Speaker 1: host of the Auction Brief podcast. He's a three time

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Speaker 1: Kings Classic Auction Draft champion. He's been a practicing defense

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Speaker 1: like there can't be that many lawyers that sit on

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this.

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Speaker 1: Is a dynamic that you don't find very often on

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Speaker 1: fantasy football show.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it. I think that

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Speaker 3: that's probably a good thing, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, of course, of course. Are you

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Speaker 2: gonna be at the Expo again this year?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, it's what it's I mark my calendar by

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Speaker 3: the Expo every year. I love that weekend. I just

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Speaker 3: love seeing the people, and yeah, the Expo is one

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Speaker 1: To be honest, what would be if you were to

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Speaker 1: sell it to somebody who's listening right now, because how

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Speaker 1: many years of you how many years have you gone?

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Speaker 3: Now? Well, I started by going to the King's Classic

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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. The Xpo was just sort of a

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Speaker 3: and then after COVID it kind of exploded. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I think the thing for me is it's a community thing. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: if there were no activities and there were just the

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Speaker 3: want to see the people that I get to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, man. I mean I've said it

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Speaker 1: before on shows. I was on the podathon for SFB

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Speaker 1: this past weekend and I was saying, how you know

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Speaker 1: you go to Georgia's, you know the bar that's there

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Speaker 1: for folks who haven't been to Canton slashed the expo.

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Speaker 1: But it's where everyone kind of flocks to, especially after

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Speaker 1: that Friday.

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Speaker 2: Event, but also the Saturday one too.

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Speaker 1: Everyone kind of just goes there and hangs out, you know,

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Speaker 1: has a couple of drinks, and it's hilarious. If you're

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a small dive bar, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: It's just hilarious.

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Speaker 1: As you walk around, you can just hear all the

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Speaker 3: It is it is. And I got a buddy coming

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Speaker 3: he's excited. I'm excited, man.

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Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. It's always good to catch up

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Speaker 1: with people. Speaking of catching up, you and I haven't

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Speaker 1: and so you know, this is your first time on perspectives.

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Speaker 3: Well, I got started in this. It was a little

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Speaker 3: I said, all right, I'm just going to shout into

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Speaker 3: And so I say it, and then Matt Schoff from

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Speaker 3: Ryan McDowell picked it up, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a DM from Joe Bryant and he says, hey,

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Speaker 3: What do you say? So, like I said, it's pretty lucky.

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Speaker 3: But you know, hey, if I hadn't put myself out

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Speaker 1: How did the auction love come to be? Because, you know,

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Speaker 2: But how did you get so interested in that as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that came, honestly because I didn't even really know

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Speaker 3: I'm in law school. I got a buddy who plays

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Speaker 3: Here's how it works. And I'm like, okay, Like I

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Speaker 3: I was hooked from that point. Auctions just always have

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Speaker 2: Was that the year that he started taking steroids.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that he has been on them since he

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Speaker 3: was eleven. So, yeah, he was awesome one year, and

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Speaker 3: then we never got that again. Dude.

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Speaker 1: I remember back then that dude like like he was

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've never seen a white.

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Speaker 3: As big as my head.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it was absurd.

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Speaker 1: So how do you think your law background, because obviously

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Speaker 1: you're practicing lawyer, how do you think that has impacted

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Speaker 1: the way that you view fantasy football and analysts? Now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a this could be a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a lawyer, after all. I can I

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Speaker 3: That the extemporaneous speaking is a large part of what

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I've always had the stance that because because obviously,

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Speaker 1: that I think that it's really impactful and helpful to

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Speaker 1: because it allows you to really break down an argument

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Speaker 1: more coherently. And I'm sure obviously like you're doing that constantly,

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Speaker 1: and that that argumentative way. Like whenever I always use

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Speaker 3: I believe that if you are a strong fantasy football player,

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Speaker 3: that auctions magnify your advantage. I believe that your knowledge

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Chase Brown. And then all of a

434
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Speaker 1: sudden you spend ten extra dollars on Chase Brown because

435
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Speaker 1: you have that idea. But like this being like hypothetically

436
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: rigid makes a lot of sense because you can then

437
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Speaker 1: adjust as your draft is actually going down.

438
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's exactly right. And you just mentioned something

439
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 3: that's a pet peeve of mine is that if you

440
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Speaker 3: believe that you really want Chase Brown and it's like, hey,

441
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: it's Chase Brown or bust for me, that's okay to

442
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: think that before the draft starts. But what you need

443
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Speaker 3: to do is not wait to find out if you're

444
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 3: going to get them right, because there's going to be

445
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: deals along the way that you have to decide whether

446
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: or not you want them. And if you're waiting on Brown,

447
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 3: you miss the deals. So you need to nominate him

448
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 3: right away. And a lot of things. A lot of

449
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: times what people do is they miss that that they

450
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: think that waiting is going to equal a deal. That's

451
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 3: not really the case with the top players. You're not

452
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 3: getting great deals on the top players. You need to

453
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: nominate your targets early, find out if you're going to

454
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Speaker 3: get them. If you don't, you can pivot.

455
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, this might be one of those things,

456
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Speaker 1: but what are what are a few things. You know,

457
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Speaker 1: if someone's walking into an auction draft that you think

458
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Speaker 1: they should be aware of that they might not be

459
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Speaker 1: prepared for, you know, just give given your experience.

460
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're ashore. Sheated asked me for three things.

461
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: I did list three here that are fairly specific, but

462
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: I think they're somewhat universal too, and that's what I

463
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: was trying to do. The first one is, I don't

464
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 3: think anybody's prepared for the speed of the draft. I

465
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Speaker 3: don't think anybody's prepared for how quickly things are happening,

466
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Speaker 3: and certainly with an online draft. I know that most

467
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: people are doing their drafting online these days, but if

468
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: you're in a live auction it's a little bit easier

469
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: to say, hey, hold up a second, I got to

470
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 3: write that down or I got to do this. But

471
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Speaker 3: an online draft is a really fast process that you're

472
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Speaker 3: not ready to handle. And when that clock is beeping

473
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: at you, like five four in snake drafts, you're really

474
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Speaker 3: comfortable with the fact that I've got time to check

475
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 3: my roster, to check injuries, to look something up. You

476
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: do not have that time in an auction draft. So

477
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: it's just the speed is different. So preparation is really

478
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: important there. The second thing is is an immutable law

479
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 3: of auction drafting. If the prices are too high, they're

480
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: gonna come down, and if the prices are too low,

481
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: they're gonna go up. They're just it is a closed system.

482
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: It is a finite closed system. If you have a

483
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: twelve team league with a two hundred dollars cap, there's

484
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: only twenty four hundred bucks. And if people are sitting

485
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: back and Jamar Chase goes for forty eight bucks when

486
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: you should be going for sixty, then you need to

487
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: be bidding, even if you're playing. Was not to spend

488
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of money on a wide receiver one. You've

489
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: got a bid forty nine because the prices are going

490
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: to go up and you're going to be squeezed and

491
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: you're going to be stuck. So just remember, if it's

492
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: too high, it's going to go down, and it's too low,

493
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: it's good. Now. The one thing I'll say the caveat

494
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 3: here is that if the prices are too high, you

495
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: can't just sit there and wait and then all of

496
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: a sudden, the top twenty eight players are off the

497
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: board and you don't have any of them you got

498
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 3: to get one of them in overpay or whatever. But

499
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: so yeah, Number three is I don't think people really

500
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Speaker 3: realize how much you're playing against people when you're playing

501
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: an auction because Serpentine drafts aren't really like that. I mean,

502
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: it is a little bit like if you're in the

503
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: ten hole and you're in a twelve teamer and you

504
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: need a quarterback, you go, okay, does eleven and twelve

505
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: have a quarterback? That can I wait till the wrap

506
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: around that kind of stuff. But you're not really even

507
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: playing people there. You're playing rosters and stuff. But I

508
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: think that it's underestimated how people will tell you what

509
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: they think without knowing it. And in an auction room,

510
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: you can look around and just see what people are thinking.

511
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 3: I mean you really can. Nobody's in that room trying

512
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: to They're all thinking about what they're going to do next.

513
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: You can really look around and just be like, I know,

514
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 3: he doesn't want him, he doesn't want him, he does

515
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: this guy always nominates somebody that he wants. This guy

516
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: nominates people he doesn't want. This guy tries to waste money.

517
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: You can peg it and it's not hard because nobody's

518
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: in there in the room really trying to sandbag you

519
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: or trying to trying to like do something different. And

520
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 3: on the other side of the corn here, let me

521
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: just close by saying it's funny too, because when you're

522
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: in an auction draft room with people you don't know,

523
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: you can never predict when somebody is going to do

524
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: something that's against their self interest. And so that's one

525
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: of the things we're playing people. It's difficult, and that's

526
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: part of why I love auction drafting, because people's self

527
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: interest sometimes doesn't come through in what they do. They

528
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: get frustrated, like I didn't get that guy and I

529
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: wanted that guy, or they get mad at you because

530
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: they think you're bidding them up when you're not actually

531
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: doing that. You're just trying to build your team. And

532
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: so people will act against self interest randomly and they'll

533
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: screw up your plans and then you have to shift

534
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: and move. But that's all about playing people, and that's

535
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: you know, that's one of the reasons I love the game.

536
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: I love to try to beat the game itself. Yeah,

537
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: by by game theory and by playing people. But again,

538
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: that's one of those things that people underestimate you're playing

539
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: against other people. You're not necessarily playing as much fantasy

540
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: football as you might think.

541
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Speaker 1: I also think that when when I've had folks approach

542
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: me about doing more auction content, which I've done auction

543
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: content in the past, I actually people don't know this,

544
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: especially if you're newer to the show. But back in

545
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: the day, I was Rodo World's auction guy, like back

546
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: in like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, I would do even

547
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: before that a little bit, yeah, and I would do

548
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: stuff for their magazine and write about it. And one

549
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: of the things that I think that I'd love to

550
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: get your take on this, but I think that people

551
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: overrate the wrong aspects when going from snake to auction

552
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: and what changes from snake to auction. What I mean

553
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: by that is I write an entire draft guide and

554
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: it's ninety nine percent snake draft focus, you know, talking

555
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: about how to extract value, et cetera, et cetera, And

556
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: in the end, a lot of those ideas can still

557
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: definitely apply to auction drafts. It's just that people think

558
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: that you go into an auction like you're playing a

559
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: completely different game, like it's still fantasy like the game

560
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: itself is the same, and the mechanism in which you're

561
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: obviously drafting those teams is what's different.

562
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: Right But for some.

563
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: Reason, I think a lot of people people listening to

564
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: this right now probably think it, but they think about

565
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: that in reverse, like almost like the game is totally

566
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: different and you're not scoring the same way, you're not

567
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: putting a lineup together the same way, and how you're

568
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: drafting players.

569
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Speaker 2: That's where things differ.

570
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: For me is that most people will get a ranking

571
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: sheet and it's a linear sheet one to two to

572
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: three to four to five. But to me, the big

573
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: key with auctions is understanding tier when when you're doing

574
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: player take, you know, when you're trying to find pockets

575
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: of value because I think I think in the end,

576
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: both snake and auction, if there's like where the overlap

577
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: is is understanding where there might be pockets of value

578
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: within a position. Like I really like a lot of

579
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: the late third round to early fifth round wide receivers

580
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: this year, right, So we're talking like the Luther Burdens

581
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: of the world, the you know, the the Teturooe mcmillons

582
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: of the world. There's so many, you know, Jaylen Wattle

583
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin. There's so many good wide receivers in that range.

584
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: To me, you can use that to your advantage so

585
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: so much in an auction draft that you can't necessarily

586
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: do in a snake draft because in a snake draft,

587
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: you're forced to make decisions and you're probably only going

588
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: to walk away with one or two of those guys.

589
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: In an auction draft, you can walk away with four of them,

590
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, because you can just bid on them and

591
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: then forego the early round wide receivers. And so to me,

592
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: it's really about like really not just tiering players and

593
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: having those tiers, but understanding what that means and where

594
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: you can attack different pockets of your draft, as opposed

595
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: to simply converting a linear rankings list, you know, over

596
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: to auction values in drafting off of that, because in

597
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: the end, when you're doing that, you're still getting linear

598
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: values in a dollar form.

599
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's still the same kind of thing that

600
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: you would be doing in a snake draft.

601
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Is that's something that you've sort of witnessed and gone

602
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: through as well.

603
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really astute point here because the

604
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: preaching I started to do last summer and I actually

605
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: made an entire episode about how the fantasy industry is

606
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: really failing auction drafters because it is there is a

607
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 3: tendency to believe there's a one to one comparison and

608
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: that a mid third round guy should be X dollars.

609
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: And I just think that's nonsense because the auctions themselves

610
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: are non linear processing.

611
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Exactly.

612
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: We don't nominate guys wide receiver eight, than wide receiver nine,

613
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: than wide receiver ten. That's not so there's you have

614
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: to get rid of the linear thinking because prices happen

615
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: because of nomination order, and on top of that, the

616
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: spikes and prices will happen because of scarcity, and that's

617
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: not something you can predict ahead of time. And so

618
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: to your point, and I'm going to steal something from

619
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: something I was going to say down the road, but

620
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: you're talking about something that I preach about all the time,

621
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: which is opportunity cost. Yes, And I hate mid round

622
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: tight ends and snake draft, yes, absolutely can't stand it. Yes,

623
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: But when I get into an auction it's a lot

624
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: easier because people don't care about tight ends after a

625
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: certain number of them. Once you get past around you know,

626
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: tight end four or five people just kind of don't care,

627
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: and you can get guys like for three to five

628
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: bucks that you would have to spend a seventh round

629
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: pick on. I'm not doing that in a regular snake,

630
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: but I'm in an auction. The opportunity cost is not

631
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: the same. So and it's the same thing with wide receive.

632
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: And I love that you pointed out all these guys

633
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: because the open to my show a couple of weeks ago,

634
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: we had just done a mock auction with some of

635
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 3: my Patreon folks, and I said, you know, I'm not

636
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: so sure that with seeing the prices that I saw,

637
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: it was a weird sort of inflation at the top.

638
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: And I talked about this with Rich Reebar recently about

639
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: how there's a there's just a very small subset of

640
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: receivers now that are demanding that thirty percent alpha target share,

641
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: and that was reflected in this first auction that I did,

642
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: where the top guys were way more inflated than I

643
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: had seen in recent years. And then it fell off

644
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: a cliff and I said in my show, like, I

645
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: think that it's very possible that my strategy this year

646
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: is not going to be to have one of these guys.

647
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: But instead it's going to be to go after tedt Roha, McMillan,

648
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin, Jalen Waddle, these guys that are all twenty

649
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: five to thirty dollars. You could go and get a

650
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: pretty banging group of five wide receivers for about one

651
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: hundred and ten bucks that are all like those guys.

652
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: And the guy that I had leading the charge was

653
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: Devonte Smith. He went for thirty three bucks in that

654
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: in that auction, and then I said, okay, put him

655
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: with and I think I listed those guys and then

656
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: you know, Christian Watson or Jamison Williams for eighteen or

657
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: nineteen bucks, bang one hundred and twenty two bucks. I

658
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: think it was to have Demante Smith, Terry McLaurin, Ted McMillan,

659
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: you know, Jamison Williams, and then and you know one other,

660
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: Jayden Waddell. And I'm not so sure that that's not

661
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: going to be my strategy this year because you've isolated

662
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: exactly my point, which is that your approach should matter

663
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: as far as where you see those value pockets. And it's

664
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: something that I preached about for years with quarterback that

665
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: I thought that now I don't believe that this year,

666
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: and I've kind of come off it, but I believe

667
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: that for several years, the way to approach quarterback was

668
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: I don't want the top couple guys, and I don't

669
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: don't want my roster filler replacement level guys. There's a

670
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: little value pocket of guys that are six, eight, ten

671
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: dollars that I believe are extremely valuable, but that don't

672
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: command the price of the top guys.

673
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that Also.

674
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: The quarterback thing's really interesting because I've noticed more anecdotally

675
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: and obviously you've studied this a lot more than I

676
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: have and done a lot more drafts than I have.

677
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: But I've noticed anecdotally that if you're especially if you're

678
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: in a sharper room where you know people aren't going

679
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: to want to spend on quarterback, people are trying to,

680
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: like penny pinch at that position, thinking that, oh, there's

681
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: no difference between this middle round guy versus this late

682
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: round guy. You know, it's traditional late round guy in

683
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: a stake draft. But like in the end, you still

684
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: have to look at the dollar value itself and what

685
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: those savings are. We're not talking, you know, Nico Collins

686
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: to the next tier of that group of wide receivers.

687
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: We were just talking about where there might be a

688
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: significant dollar value change from that player to the next.

689
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: We're talking about going from you know, a middle round

690
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: maybe even Jalen Hurts this year, however much he goes

691
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: for or Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence to then you know,

692
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: knocking that down to one of your favorite you know,

693
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: like maybe Tyler Shuck will go for a dollar right,

694
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: and if you're only spending four or five dollars or

695
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: six dollars on a Justin Herbert or a Trevor Lawrence,

696
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that the penny pinching makes that much

697
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: sense in that case compared to what it might do

698
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: from a regular season long draft and a regular snake draft,

699
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: I should say.

700
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: The opportunity cost equations.

701
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: I think with those, you know, it's the same idea

702
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: as the tight end thing that you were talking about, right,

703
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: the middle round tight ends the delta and actual dollar value,

704
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: even if we're usually fading those guys in a snake draft,

705
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: the actual delta and dollar value when you're talking about

706
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: throwing a dart at Greg Dolcich.

707
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: Compared to drafting Tucker Craft.

708
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, why would we not just spend

709
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: four or five more dollars to get Tucker Craft instead

710
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: of because you're gonna have to spend that dollar.

711
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: And there's just such a low.

712
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Ceiling in terms of how much people actually spend on

713
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: those guys when pushed comes a shove.

714
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's radicalized me a little bit in the

715
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: last couple of years against too much on my bench.

716
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: And honestly, what happened to me was the reason it

717
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: happened was because in the King's Classic, after I was

718
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 3: coming off my back to back, which I don't know

719
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: how that's ever going to happen again, flying, I was

720
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: flying high, and I was like, I'm going to draft

721
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: this super deep team because I looked at the previous

722
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 3: years and said, I can draft this really deep team,

723
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: and I had the illusion that I could build a

724
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: deep enough team to stave off the injuries in a

725
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: fourteen team league. It's just not happening. And so I've

726
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 3: gotten more and more to the point where I'm absolutely

727
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: not going to spend money or excuse me, save money,

728
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: because I need to get some guys on my bench

729
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: if it comes down to it, and I'm in a

730
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: tough bidding war and I need this guy and he's

731
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: my starter. Then I'm just going to spend the extra money,

732
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 3: because when you get to the end of the auction,

733
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: you're never going to regret spending the extra four bucks

734
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: for Trevor Lawrence or just and Herbert. You are going

735
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: to regret waiting and then looking down at your team

736
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: and seeing I have no guys with X factor on

737
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: my team because I dropped out because oh, this guy

738
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 3: was four bucks too much, this guy was three bucks

739
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: too much. Like that's silly. Lock down those guys, those

740
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: impact guys, and then worry about the rest later. The

741
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: rest will come to you. And if you end up

742
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: not spending enough on your bench, hey, work harder on

743
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 3: the wire.

744
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I've been doing the exact same thing and trying to

745
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: preach the exact same thing and best ball to a

746
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: degree where I talked about this on becoming a Best

747
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Ball bro this week. But essentially, there are going to

748
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: be times where you know, I was at like the

749
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: front of the draft, right and I drafted Jalen Waddle

750
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: on this Best Ball team.

751
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: I think it was in like the one O two

752
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: area or something like that. One oh three, and.

753
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I drafted Jalen Waddle and the way that the quarterback

754
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: room was kind of shifting and moving. I was in

755
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: the ninth round and I took bo Nicks like fifteen

756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: picks above ADP because I knew that he likely wasn't

757
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: going to make it back around to me. And you

758
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: can sit there and say, but ADP value, you know,

759
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: you're not extracting. But it's not about extracting every value

760
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: out of every single pick that you make.

761
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, in the grand scheme, of course you want

762
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: to you want to.

763
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Extract value, and you'll you'll be able to pick and

764
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: choose those battles, but you have to work or you

765
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: have to look at what works for your individual team

766
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: in that instance, right, Like you can't just ignore, you know,

767
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: you can't just sit there and say, like, hey, look

768
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: at this amazing value that I got on Tyler Shuck.

769
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I only got him for a dollar when realistically, if

770
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: you're looking at the usability of that team, if you

771
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: would have just spent I mean, I think the exact

772
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: same thing happened with with me in The King's Classic.

773
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Last year, I drafted Drake May and I love Drake May.

774
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Like that was one of my you know, fait. You know,

775
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: it seems like a humble brag, but it was just

776
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: my guy last year, as it was a lot of

777
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: other fantasy analysts, and I got him for like three

778
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: or four bucks, and it was a situation where, uh,

779
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, he gets nominated. I bid him up a dollar,

780
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: and then someone else bids him up a dollar, and

781
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: then no I could see no one else wanted to

782
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: go further because it was a late round quarterback and

783
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I budgeted a dollar two dollars from

784
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: my late round quarterback, and I'm like, I'm just gonna

785
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: spend one dollar, one extra dollar to get all of

786
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: you off of me right now, you know.

787
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: And that's all it tooks. That's all it takes. You

788
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: don't think about that dollar when the draft is over.

789
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

790
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: And how many times do you end an auction with

791
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: four bucks left over?

792
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: Right?

793
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: It happens all the time. And then you're like, oh, damn,

794
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: I should have spent that money on Drake May exactly.

795
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: And then you look back halfway through the season and

796
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: you go, oh my god, my quarterback is Jordan Love

797
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: and I could have had Drake May. What the hell

798
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: did I do to myself? And that's why I say

799
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: you'll never regret. And the other thing that I think

800
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: that that you hit on here is that when you're

801
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: calling out a guy like that, there is a certain categorization.

802
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: You hit on this perfectly that had people have in

803
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: their minds about that player, and that prevents them from

804
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: kind of breaking through it and bidding on that guy,

805
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 3: when in reality, that's not what you should be thinking about,

806
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: because look, I know we do this for a job.

807
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: We want to post our team and be like, look

808
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: at this sweet deal I got on this guy, right,

809
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: And sometimes you just need to spend money, and sometimes

810
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: you're going to spend too much money. And let's say that, Hey,

811
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: I have this guy rated as a seventeen dollar player,

812
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: but I really need a good wide receiver too that

813
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: I don't have and it's getting thin, and I spent

814
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 3: twenty four dollars on a guy that's a seventeen dollar player.

815
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: That bugs me and I don't want to do that.

816
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: And one of my biggest problems, literally might be my

817
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: biggest problem is that I know values so cold, I

818
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: know him so well that I hate paying extra. Yeah,

819
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: but what I have to do is I have to

820
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: force myself to do it sometimes and say this is

821
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: way too much for this guy. But it matters more

822
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: to have the guy than it does to have the

823
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: value exact like, we have to not lose the forest

824
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: for the trees. When we're in the middle of the auction,

825
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: it's easy to say there is no way this dude

826
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: is worth that much. But how much is he worth

827
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: to you and your team and your fantasy team in

828
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: Week one when you're setting your lineup. That's what matters exactly.

829
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: I also this kind of plays into one of the

830
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: things I wrote about really early on at Rodal World

831
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: whenever I was doing the auction stuff, was what I

832
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: called the you theory, and it was essentially this idea

833
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: where you know, a lot of times in drafts there

834
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: are like generally accepted tiers, right you have the round

835
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: one to round two running backs. This year, let's say

836
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: where there's a group of like six or seven guys

837
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: that everyone kind of sees as interchangeable in rank, and

838
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you like mari and Hampton more than

839
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker or whatever the case may be, but generally

840
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: you know that the room of twelve, you know, eleven

841
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: other people are gonna view this tier very similarly. And

842
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: what I noticed in doing some reason this is again

843
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: this is like ten years ago, but what I noticed

844
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: is that if you think of the letter you when

845
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: the tier starts, people will spend X dollars on that

846
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the tier, before you know,

847
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: there's still like three Like if you take the seven

848
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: guys that I'm talking about, I don't even know how

849
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: many running backs, but just say there's seven players in

850
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: this tier that's generally accepted. The first guy gets nominated,

851
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: he goes for X dollars. The next handful of players

852
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: will go for a comparable number, if not a little

853
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: bit lower, because people know intuitively that there are other

854
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: unless there's like someone that people just really like, but

855
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: people generally know intuitively that there's more players left in

856
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: that tier. And then at the very end, when the

857
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: tiers drying up, that's when prices skyrocket again because they

858
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: understand that this is when things are going to try up.

859
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: And this I gotta get my guy now because I

860
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: didn't buy into this tier and you can get more value.

861
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: This is why I think knowing tiers and understanding pocket

862
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: values is just so important in auctions because you can

863
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: really extract value by knowing when it's the middle of

864
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: that tier and you don't have like such strong player

865
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: takes that you need to absolutely get this guy because

866
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: there is variance in fantasy football, and you can sit

867
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: there and say, I'm gonna wait one or two guys

868
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: in this tier. Okay, I know that this guy's off

869
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: the board. This guy's off the board. Maybe now's the

870
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: time to pounce. We'll see what the price tag looks like.

871
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: And then once that tier is done towards the end,

872
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: that's when the prices start to skyrocket a little bit more.

873
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: Is that something like a phenomenon that you've witnessed as well.

874
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I call it the boomerang effect. It's the

875
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: same thing. You're definitely you're definitely hitting the nail on

876
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: the head there. And the wild card factor there is

877
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: just the nomination order because a lot of times somebody

878
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: will nominate somebody who's in the middle of a tier,

879
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: and it's hard because people really find comfort and they

880
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: don't realize it, but they find comfort in that market

881
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: setting within the tier. So if a player goes for

882
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: twenty seven in this tier and they think, well, that's

883
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: the top player in the tier. Everybody's going to go

884
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: below that until they get nervous, and then it's going

885
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: to spike yep. Yeah, but they find comfort in that.

886
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 3: And again that's another thing about playing. People find out

887
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: what makes people comfortable and uncomfortable. By the way, you

888
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: always want people to feel uncomfortable when you're in the game.

889
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, I'm just look, I'm just thinking about myself

890
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: in literally three or four weeks from now drafting with you,

891
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: and not only are we going to be approaching these

892
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: drafts probably similarly, but you're just going to have this

893
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: look on your like I want you to feel pain

894
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: right now.

895
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm just I want you to feel bad. Do you

896
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: feel bad yet? But yeah, when people are comfortable with like, hey,

897
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: this is the number, then they're going to slot those

898
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: guys in behind it. Yeah, and you need to make

899
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: sure you get one of those slotted guys before everyone

900
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: goes oh and then it starts going.

901
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: Crazy exactly, exactly, all right. I want to move on

902
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: from auctions.

903
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the legal side of things

904
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: that you do, because this is also a big differentiator

905
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: for you and what you can provide to the fantasy space.

906
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: You know, you do awesome threads all the time on

907
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: different legal situations, because unfortunately, the way the NFL is,

908
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: there are a lot of off the field incidents that

909
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: go on that we have to figure out from a

910
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: fantasy football perspective, and it sucks and it's unfortunate, and

911
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I want a caveat with that first and foremost that

912
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: we even have to go down this path and talk

913
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: about the legality side of things. We do have to

914
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: be fantasy analysts and we do have to understand the

915
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: implications of what these things are. So there's two players

916
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: in particular that are going through it right now from

917
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: an off the field perspective, where you know, you look

918
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: at their ADPs, especially in best Ball right now, it fluctuates,

919
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: and it has been fluctuating for the last couple of months.

920
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: So the first one that I want you to dig

921
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: into and explain where we're at is with Rashi Rice.

922
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Boy, this is a super complicated one. But let

923
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: me try to break it down as simply as I can,

924
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: because I think right now we're in a different spot

925
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: than we were because he's out of jail and we

926
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: haven't heard anything from the NFL now that doesn't mean

927
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: we're not going to hear something from the NFL. But

928
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: the original thing that I think confused people with this

929
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: case and with the development in the case of him

930
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: going to jail missing OTAs while he's you know, recovering

931
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: from knee injury all that mess. The thing that was

932
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: difficult for me to parse at the beginning was that

933
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: he got thirty days. And initially I thought, hey, he

934
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: violated his probation. He's got thirty days from the probation violation,

935
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: and technically yes, But what happened was he was ordered

936
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: to do thirty days in jail as part of his

937
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: defer to judy cation from the original plea, and that

938
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: thirty days was I have the sentencing entry posted on

939
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: one of my threads which says that that thirty days

940
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: was to be served TBD. Now that's great for Rice

941
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: because it's obviously part of the deal that his team

942
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: worked out that he could just kind of do that

943
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: thirty days whenever he wanted over the next five years.

944
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: He hadn't done it yet. Who wants to sign up

945
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: to do it immediately? Right, I got five years, I'll

946
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: do that later. So so basically he's got these conditions,

947
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: and I've read the probation conditions. In the conditions, one

948
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: of them was that you can't have illegal substances in

949
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: your system. Actually, he's not supposed to be drinking or

950
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: buying alcohol either, but he's not allowed to have illegal

951
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: substances because I kind of heard that argument about well,

952
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: weed blah blah, and I'm like, first of all, he's

953
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: not allowed to have alcohol. That's illegal everywhere, and number two,

954
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: weed is not legal in Texas, so where this case is,

955
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: it's not legal. So I'm sorry, but that's one of

956
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: your conditions. And so what ended up happening was I said, now,

957
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: but why is he getting this thirty days now? And

958
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 3: then I said, oh, I know he walked in there

959
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: on this violation because the person said, hey, he dropped dirty.

960
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: They have a hearing in front of the judge, and

961
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: the judge says, Okay, I'm not giving you thirty more days,

962
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: but this is your wake up call. You're going to

963
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: do your thirty now because you violated probation. And I'm

964
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: not taking away your probation or your deferred adjudication, but

965
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: you're going to go do this now, and this is

966
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: your wake up call that I'm not messing around, and

967
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: so this was confirmed to be accurate, and I'm glad

968
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: that I parsed it correctly because there was a lot

969
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: of moving parts there that I was just like, a

970
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: lot of this just isn't adding up perfectly. But he

971
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: ends up going to jail because of the violation. But

972
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: the reason I say all that is not to hear

973
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: myself talk and sound smart. The reason I say all

974
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: that is because this is part of the original plea

975
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: that he was already punished for by the NFL. So

976
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 3: I think that's super important when it comes to whether

977
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: or not he's going to miss time this year. Is

978
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: I don't know that the NFL is going to care

979
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: about a weed violation of the probation. And it's not

980
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: because it's not important to them that he violated probation.

981
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: It's just that it's already part of what he's been

982
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: punished for, and I think his team in the nfl

983
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: PA would argue very strongly that this is not something

984
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: that you can give him additional punishment for. And then,

985
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: so what it comes down to is, and let me

986
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: just say I'm breaking this right now on JJ's show,

987
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: because this has only been available to the Patreon so far.

988
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: But I think that with Rice, I feel more comfortable

989
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: with him in mid to late August by saying we're

990
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: taking one hundred and twenty day bet on him, we

991
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: don't have to worry. Now we're talking red Draft. Obviously

992
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: in Dynasty, he's still toxic in my mind, but you're

993
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: only taking one hundred and twenty day bet, and a

994
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: couple of times that Rice has gotten in trouble has

995
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: been in the off season when the guy's got nothing

996
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: to do. If he makes it through training camp and

997
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: he makes it to the season, I think it's okay

998
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: to make one hundred and twenty day bet because I

999
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: think he's going to stay busy, and I think he's

1000
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: going to stay out of trouble during the season, and

1001
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he's getting a new suspension. So I

1002
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: think it's okay to make a bet on Rice when

1003
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: we get to middle of late August. Right now, I'm

1004
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: still pretty nervous about it.

1005
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seems like the like, especially from

1006
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: like a Dynasty perspective, like the thing that he did

1007
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: right smoking weed is not the thing that people should,

1008
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, really care about because people

1009
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: are doing that everywhere all the time, every day. It's

1010
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: it's the idea that he was on probation and he

1011
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: knew that he shouldn't and couldn't do that thing, and

1012
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: he did that thing, right.

1013
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: It's just a decision making thing, right.

1014
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: And so that's on top of the other decision making

1015
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: things that have gone south for him, And so that's

1016
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: the scary part about.

1017
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 2: Him long term.

1018
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: But to your point, if there's no suspension based on

1019
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, how you read this and confirmed this and

1020
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: the fact that this was the delayed thirty days just

1021
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: happening now instead of later, And then on top of that, like,

1022
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: do you think that the way the NFL has sort

1023
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: of approached marijuana could could also play a role in

1024
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: this how they've become more lax and just it's not

1025
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: as big of it, Like it's not like it was

1026
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: like a different type of drug that they might have

1027
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: been a little bit harder on.

1028
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's part of it, because the NFL has

1029
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: changed the substances of abuse policy that raises the level

1030
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: of marijuana you're allowed to have in your system and

1031
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: how much they care about it after each offense. And

1032
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: so I think that absolutely plays into it if he's

1033
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: caught with something different in the system. I think we're

1034
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: having a different conversation.

1035
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs.

1036
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: This one I can't wrap my head around at all

1037
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: because obviously he was like in jail, then he's out

1038
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: of jail, but yet it's not closed like it seems

1039
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: like an investigation.

1040
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: So on going, where are we at with Jacobs?

1041
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: The weird thing with Jacobs is this particular jurisdiction, and

1042
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: I think that this might be Wisconsin in general, but

1043
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: they have a statute on the books that's what's called

1044
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: a mandatory arrest policy, and that's pretty normal for most jurisdictions,

1045
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: but they handle it differently, and there's is more draconian

1046
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: than other jurisdictions that I've practiced in because where I'm from,

1047
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: the mandatory arrest policy is really for the time of

1048
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: the incident. It's really to separate the parties. It says

1049
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: you must arrest somebody in a domestic incident because you

1050
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: want the parties separated. While tensions are high, that's when

1051
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: things happen, that's when bad things happen, that's when homicides happen,

1052
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: and so you want to separate these parties. And so

1053
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: a lot of times there's a mandatory arrest policy at

1054
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: the time of the incident. In this particular case, they

1055
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: arrested him days later, but their policy says within twenty

1056
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: eight days that which is crazy to me. They've got

1057
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: to have an arrest, and they determined that it was

1058
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: Jacob's that needed to be arrested. So he gets arrested

1059
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: and then he gets released because they declined to file

1060
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: charges right away. Now I think he would have been

1061
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: released anyway, But the point is it was confusing for

1062
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: a lot of people, like, whyzi and jail and there's

1063
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 3: no charges. Well, that's why because of the mandatory arrest policy.

1064
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: Now they're saying, hey, we're not necessary ready to make

1065
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: a decision yet. That's also somewhat normal in these cases,

1066
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: and it's normal with celebrities specifically, because they want to

1067
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: make sure they're really buttoned up and they know what

1068
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: they're doing here, so they're taking some time. Now. I

1069
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: operate under the assumption that when I don't know something

1070
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 3: about a case, there are unknowable variables in the background

1071
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: that we can't we can't speculate on. But I will

1072
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: say that when it takes this long, generally they do

1073
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: not have it. Okay, they don't have what they want.

1074
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: And I think that part of it is that Jacob's

1075
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: team was pushing really hard, like we've got some information

1076
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: here that says that he's going to be you know,

1077
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 3: we've got exculpatory information. You have to pay attention to X,

1078
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: Y and Z. I think they're behind the scenes really

1079
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: lobbying the state, like, look at this information we have

1080
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: before you decide to do something, and I think it's

1081
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: making the state think to themselves, should we do this now.

1082
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: The major problem I have with all of this is

1083
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: that I've been in so many of these domestic violence cases.

1084
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: That is one of my Between duys and domestic violence,

1085
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 3: those are my two most common cases domestic violence. There's

1086
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 3: so many different components to it, but one of them

1087
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: that I have learned is that if another person calls

1088
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 3: the police, things are pretty bad in that situation. And

1089
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: that's what happened here there. I believe a neighbor called

1090
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: the police because they heard stuff was happening next door.

1091
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: I believe there's a recording of it, and I'm not

1092
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: sure we know exactly, like I'm not sure that we

1093
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: hear the exact but the point being You know, it's

1094
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: a fairly serious situation when a neighbor has to call

1095
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: the police and there's enough ruckus. Yeah, and that's bad.

1096
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: That's real bad. And we don't know. The problem is,

1097
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: and I have to be real careful here. The problem is,

1098
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 3: there may be something awful that happened, and there may

1099
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: be something that happened behind closed doors that only two

1100
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: people know about, right, and that's Jacobs and the other

1101
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: person be I don't know that. And again I'm trying

1102
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: to avoid a slander or a lawsuit. But there may

1103
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: be something that happened behind closed doors, and it seems

1104
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 3: like things were bad enough the police need to get involved.

1105
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: Something probably happened, but whether they can prove that, and

1106
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: whether the victim is still interested in going forward at

1107
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: this point, I'm doubtful on both of those because of

1108
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: the length of time they're taking to charge this case.

1109
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: And two things come from that. One is that I

1110
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: think that either they don't file and then Jacobs is

1111
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: fine for the season, or if they do file, I

1112
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: think we're getting so close to the season Jacob's team

1113
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: is going to push it off into next year. I'm

1114
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: operating under the assumption Jacobs is going to play a

1115
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: full season for the Packers this year.

1116
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like right now when this stuff

1117
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: was not even in our imagination, you know, he was

1118
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: in best ball, the late second round pick, early third

1119
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: round pick, and now he's fallen at times to the

1120
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: fifth and over on DraftKings, and so yeah, it could

1121
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: be an opportunity for I'm a strictly a fan. Look again,

1122
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: I have to reiterate, it's admittedly incredibly gross that you know, you.

1123
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: Have to go in one set like one like one

1124
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: of these things is way more important than the other.

1125
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: I totally understand that, but I also have to, you know,

1126
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: do my job and talk about what this means from

1127
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: an implication standpoint for fantasy football. And it does seem

1128
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: like if that's the case, then Jacobs is someone that

1129
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: you could hypothetically be be targeting right now, all.

1130
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: Right, I dom, yeah, you are okay, there you go.

1131
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: You got the lawyer targeting him right now, I am, yeah, okay.

1132
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: I want to get at least some.

1133
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: Player takes from you before I let you go. So

1134
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: give me some players that one at each position that

1135
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: you are targeting this year.

1136
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: Here in twenty twenty six.

1137
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: The first one is Trevor Lawrence. He's QB eleven right now,

1138
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: and I looked at some of his numbers from the

1139
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: end of last year. Now I realized that a lot

1140
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: of people are saying, well, he had a really easy

1141
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: schedule that set up well for him down the stretch.

1142
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: But you know, post By, they did play the Texans,

1143
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: they played the Broncos, and by the way, they lit

1144
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: up the Broncos, Yeah, for thirty four points. Lawrence was

1145
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: awesome in that game. I think he had two seventy

1146
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: nine and three passing with one rushing in like maybe

1147
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: fifty rushing yards. He was awesome in that game. And

1148
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: to borrow a phrase from Rich Reebar, you want to

1149
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 3: see offenses that are able to punch up, that are

1150
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: able to go at defenses like that. They struggled a

1151
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: little bit against the Texans, but post By Lawrence really

1152
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: seemed to lock into the offense. And I think that

1153
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: that's underrated because I'll never forget a quote from Bruce

1154
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: arians who said when he got Carson Palmer, he said,

1155
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: you can't judge a quarterback on your system until they've

1156
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: got at least eight games of real action to get

1157
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 3: them into the system. And post by. Last year, Lawrence

1158
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 3: was awesome. He was the QB two in a lot

1159
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 3: of formats, you know, at least top three. His EPA

1160
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 3: was fourth in the league. He was fifth and completion

1161
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: percentage over expectation. The Jags offense in general will sixth

1162
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: and drop back EPA. And this is with a pretty

1163
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: mediocre running game. They really weren't running the ball very

1164
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: we well. He played extremely well and I think one

1165
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: of the things that he picked up in his fantasy

1166
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: game over the second half of the year was his

1167
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 3: rushing exactly because he averaged sixteen rushing yards a game

1168
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: prior to his by. After the bye, he was only

1169
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: below sixteen yards one time the entire second half of

1170
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: the year. So the rushing, I hope the rushing production

1171
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: is still there. I hope that's a product of him

1172
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: learning the system better and knowing when to take off

1173
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 3: with the ball. And maybe that's a Cohen thing, maybe

1174
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: it's not. I don't know. I hope it is.

1175
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thing and not to interrupt, but

1176
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: like the thing with Cohen that's really interesting with that

1177
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: is that Baker Mayfield had his best.

1178
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: Rushing season with Liam Cohen.

1179
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, like I do think that there is a

1180
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a tie to Liam Cohen to allowing

1181
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: his quarterback to escape the pocket and generate those fantasy

1182
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: points via rushing.

1183
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know it's a small sample size, so

1184
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to put too much into it, but

1185
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: I do think there's something to say about pre By.

1186
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: This is really stark difference in rushing yards there.

1187
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1188
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: And then the last thing I'll say about him is

1189
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 3: just that all the extra time they traded for Jacoby

1190
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: Myers near the end of the year, all the extra

1191
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: time with Myers and with Cohen's system and Myers getting

1192
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: to learn the system, and all the piece is fitting

1193
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: together better after a full offseason together. I think wheels

1194
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: up and QB eleven seems a little bit odd to me.

1195
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: I don't know why he's.

1196
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm spoiler alert, but he's a player to target in

1197
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: the draft guy this year, so totally with.

1198
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: Me and you are going to butt heads, I can tell. Yeah. Yeah,

1199
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 3: so just make sure you bid five when I say four. Yeah.

1200
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: So at running back, the guy I'm looking at Kyrien Williams.

1201
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: You know, I just can't stop talking about Kyrien Williams.

1202
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: And I realize that it's fun for everyone to be

1203
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: in on Blake Korham. I get it. But let me

1204
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: pull this out for you that this is from our

1205
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: buddy Dwayne MacFarlane over at Fantasy Life. I love his

1206
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: utilization tool. I don't know if you've used it. That's great,

1207
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: But he's RB fifteen right now at ADP. He's never

1208
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: finished that low in his fantasy career since his breakout,

1209
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 3: He's never had a Fantasy sea that low. I think

1210
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing is when they started to use

1211
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: blake Koram last year, we saw his numbers write about

1212
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: fifteen point eight points per game when they started to

1213
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: use blake Korm, and before they used blake Korm, he

1214
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: was about fifteen point seven points per eight. So they

1215
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: really focused on getting Korum involved, and yet Kyron's Fantasy

1216
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: production didn't really take that much of a hit. And

1217
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: it's one of those things where I know that it's

1218
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: hard to get your mind around this, but when you're

1219
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: watching on Sunday, it was really just a rotation. It

1220
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: was just this is your series, is your right, and

1221
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: there's going to be some luck involved there about who

1222
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: gets the goal line carries. But what's not luck involved

1223
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: is what I pulled from Dwayne's numbers, and that is

1224
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: that he played ninety five percent of the two minute snaps,

1225
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: he played seventy two percent of the long down and

1226
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: distance snaps, and he played seventy three percent of the

1227
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: short down in distant snaps. He still managed fifty nine

1228
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: percent of the carries inside the five yard line. So

1229
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: all of those things tell me Sean McVay trusts him,

1230
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: they're going to continue to use him. And even when

1231
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: Blake Koram is involved, I still think Kyra Booms is

1232
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: a value at RB fifteen.

1233
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about your wide receiver?

1234
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: My wide receivers, Jalen Waddell, we already talked about him.

1235
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: He's at wide receiver twenty four right now. I think

1236
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: it's weird that. Let me just say in general, I

1237
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: think it's odd that all Jacksonville wide receivers are thirty

1238
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: three or worse. Somebody's going to break out of that match.

1239
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: That's my honorable match. Yeah, Wattle at twenty four, let

1240
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: me just say this, He's had two seasons in his

1241
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: career where he's had over one hundred and four targets

1242
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: and he finished as the wide receiver twelve in one

1243
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: season and the wide receiver fourteen and the other those

1244
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: are PPR points per game. Yeah, he got one hundred

1245
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: and seventeen targets in twenty twenty two and one hundred

1246
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: and forty two his rookie year. He caught one hundred

1247
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: and four balls and he had thirteen hundred yards in

1248
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: the year that he got one hundred and seventeen targets.

1249
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: That offense that he played in Miami had a couple problems.

1250
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: Number one, they wanted to get the ball to Tyreek Hill,

1251
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: and that's what the offense was designed for, and admittedly

1252
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: that's the right strategy. But also number two is we

1253
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: saw the fallof into a tager Ya Lois play, and

1254
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: too was a different quarterback when he was throwing the

1255
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: ball in this first couple of years to Jalen Waddle.

1256
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: He just fell off a cliff and the offense got

1257
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: noticeably stale and Waddle with it and he had to

1258
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: downward trend with it. So I think you're going to

1259
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: an offensive system that is very strong with Sean Payton.

1260
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: He's got a strong arm quarterback, he's got an excellent

1261
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: receiver playing opposite him, and I think Wattle's going to

1262
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 3: be the focus there. So I think wide receiver twenty

1263
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 3: four feels like a value right now.

1264
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Wattle.

1265
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: He checks so many historical trends boxes for me at

1266
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: that ADP, there's just so much to like.

1267
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: We're going to be fighting over him too. All right,

1268
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: give me your tight end, hopefully.

1269
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: We should have done this in early August. Man, Yeah, right,

1270
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: my tight end Sam Laporta right now. Although I'm not

1271
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 3: loving the steam, I'm a little surprised because he was

1272
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: cheaper about a month ago. Right now, he's at tight

1273
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: end eight in ADP. But I'm comfortable with this because

1274
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: there's two guys that I'm looking at that I like

1275
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: at tight end, but I like Laporta a lot better

1276
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: than the other guy's Travis Kelce. Kelsey's going tenth overall

1277
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: in ADP, and I will say that last year Kelsey

1278
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: finished eighth in PPR points per game me finished third overall.

1279
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a weird discrepancy there. He

1280
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 3: was second in routes run fourth and targets sixth, and

1281
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: receptions fourth and receiving yards. But I don't love the

1282
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: upside with Kelsey anymore because I do think that that

1283
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: part of his game is capped, and so I don't

1284
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: consider him as interesting of a value as I do.

1285
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: Say I'm Laporta because we know what his upside is

1286
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 3: and he's still a young player. We don't like messing

1287
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: around with back injuries. I get that, and I get

1288
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: that it could backfire. And this is a little bit

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Speaker 3: more of an auction play than a snake play, because

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Speaker 3: I think you can get Laporta cheaper, but at tight

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Speaker 3: end eight. If you look at his historical finishes. Of course,

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Speaker 3: you know he finished tight end one as a rookie,

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Speaker 3: but then he finished tight end nine and PPR points

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Speaker 3: per game the following year, and last year before he

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Speaker 3: was hurt, he was tight end eight in points per game.

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Speaker 3: So I think you're draft into as floor right now,

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Speaker 3: and we know what his upside is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's also one.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten him in Best Ball at times just because

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Speaker 1: of a week seventeen stack.

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Speaker 2: Too, because they get they get Chicago, which is nice.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I like that call from an auction standpoint,

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: basically plays into to bring it all back, plays into

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Speaker 1: what we were talking about with those middle round tight

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Speaker 1: ends and quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: So all right, I got one.

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Speaker 1: More question before I let you go yep, give me

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Speaker 1: your bold take, your hot take for this twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six season.

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Speaker 3: My hot take is that so I just debated how

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01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: hot to go here, so I went right in the middle.

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: My hot take is that Aj Brown has overall wide

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01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: receiver one upside oo. And I was prepared to hate

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Speaker 3: Aj Brown going into this Fantasy season. I really was

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Speaker 3: because I watched last year a guy that I felt

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Speaker 3: like looked like he was falling off a cliff. These

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Speaker 3: big bodied receivers when they get older, they break down

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01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: quicker and the end comes faster, and I thought that's

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Speaker 3: what we were seeing last year. But I'm turning off

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Speaker 3: my brain a little bit for that, because I do

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Speaker 3: think motivation was such a huge problem for Brown last year.

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: I think the relationship between him and hurt Said deteriorated.

1323
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: He was upset with the plate calling, he was upset

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Speaker 3: with everything that was going on in Philadelphia last year,

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Speaker 3: and I think some of what we saw could be

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Speaker 3: effort based. And so I think I kind of felt

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Speaker 3: the same way about Saquon Barkley, Like, is this dude

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01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: just had too many injuries and he's you know, he's

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: just not going to be the guy we thought he

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Speaker 3: was going to be, and then he goes to Philly

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Speaker 3: and he's electric, And I think the same thing could

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Speaker 3: happen here with the Patriots. And I was talking about

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Speaker 3: how much they love to throw the ball the other

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Speaker 3: day and that. So I looked up a couple of things,

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Speaker 3: and one thing I like is, first of all, they

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Speaker 3: were plus three point two percent in pass rate over

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Speaker 3: expected over the full year. They were twelfth in neutral

1338
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Speaker 3: pass rate as well. But the thing I loved the most,

1339
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: the that I love the most about the Patriots offense

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: was when they were facing a second and eight or greater,

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: they were a plus twelve point nine percent pass rate

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Speaker 3: over expected. That is a monster number and that I

1343
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 3: love that because that tells me the play caller is

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01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 3: not an idiot. Because I can't stand running the guy

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Speaker 3: into the line. He gets nothing, and on second and

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: ten you're like, let's do it again. We have seen

1347
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: study after study that shows that that second and long

1348
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 3: run is just a negative ev play, and so that

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01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 3: twelve point nine percent is massive. I think the Patriots

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Speaker 3: offense in general could be a firecracker, and I think

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Speaker 3: aj Brown has that possibility. Now maybe he's the washed

1352
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: guy I saw at the end of last year. But

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of times motivation comes when we

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01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 3: don't expect to see that, because we think what we

1355
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 3: saw was, Hey, this guy's falling apart, and really he

1356
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: just needed motivation and a new lease on life in

1357
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 3: a new place with a really good quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, more and more into aj Brown.

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Speaker 1: You know, I bought into him before the trade happened

1360
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: because from a best ball perspective, just because you knew

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: that the ADP was going to rise, and then the

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Speaker 1: ADP rows and I'm like, wow, this seems kind of insane.

1363
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Speaker 1: But the more that I've thought about it, you know,

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: he's he's the more I think it's a stable place

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: where he is, Like, it makes sense to as to

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Speaker 1: where he's going at.

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Speaker 3: He loves his coach too. Yeah, yeah, that makes a difference.

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Speaker 3: He's got to be Yeah, love it, Drew.

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Speaker 2: This was great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for hopping on and chatting. Let

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Speaker 1: everyone know where they can find you and where they

1372
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Speaker 1: can find those awesome threads that you're putting out there

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Speaker 1: on X.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. Man, this

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01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: is fun doing a little home at home. I think

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Speaker 3: you're coming on next week. So this is this is

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Speaker 3: really fun. I enjoy talking to you. Thank you for

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: having me. You can find me on Twitter at Drew

1379
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: Davenport FF. You can find my show, The Auction Brief

1380
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: anywhere you find podcasts. My writing's over at Football Guys.

1381
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 3: And if you want some extra behind the scenes stuff

1382
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: with the legal stuff and with the auction stuff, I

1383
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: do all auction targeted content over at my patreon that's

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01:04:59,200 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: Yes, can't recommend Drew enough. Also check out lateround dot com.

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: Make sure you have pre ordered the Draft Guide that

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Speaker 1: will be out on July tenth, So by the time

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01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 1: this is released, it'll be a week before that comes out.

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Speaker 1: Getting getting closer, almost done, which is you know I've.

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Speaker 3: Read that thing cover to cover last year.

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Speaker 2: Man, oh, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, that'll be out a week from Friday,

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: so a week from when you're listening to this hopefully.

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01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: Also check out the new members hub over there on

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01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: lateround dot com. Subscribe to the YouTube channel, all that

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01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: great stuff. Otherwise, everyone, thanks for tuning in.