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Speaker 1: major highlight reels and all this stuff, so make sure
Speaker 1: you had some content while we were gone. It's been
Speaker 1: a crazy year.
Speaker 2: It's been a wild year, many many highlights, lowlights, et
Speaker 2: cetera for us to get to. Certainly one of the
Speaker 2: most extraordinary timelines and events that unfolded and that we
Speaker 2: got to experience your live was the Biden debate, in
Speaker 2: which he was unable to artickulate really a single coherent
Speaker 2: sentence and bragged about what we finally beat was a Medicare,
Speaker 2: Medicare meet Medicare.
Speaker 3: Good job, Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: That led to a whole democratic catastrophe and panic mode
Speaker 2: set in and Nancy Pelosi makes her moves.
Speaker 3: Eventually he drops out.
Speaker 2: So here for you guys, is a little bit of
Speaker 2: the highlights of our coverage of that sequence of events
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 1: And joy, we're back everybody, And we just witnessed, uh
Speaker 1: profound moment I think in American history great.
Speaker 2: I'm feel great about the country.
Speaker 1: That one's going down in the history books. I mean,
Speaker 1: the single takeaway. I wish we could sit here as
Speaker 1: people who like policy and who would like to get
Speaker 1: into the back and forth. And the profound truth is
Speaker 1: we just witnessed, I mean one of the saddest political moments,
Speaker 1: like maybe the political death of Joe Biden, and the
Speaker 1: absolute just shocking nature of his appearance, of his delivery.
Speaker 1: Even whenever we were trying to parse the substance Crystal,
Speaker 1: the four of us, we just we couldn't even get
Speaker 1: to what he was saying incomprehensible. The coughing. He coughed
Speaker 1: a record five times in the first thirty seconds of
Speaker 1: the debate. And I mean I'm just sitting here stunned.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else I could say.
Speaker 2: I mean two words elder abuse. Yeah, it was painful
Speaker 2: to watch. It's like from the Jung It was painful.
Speaker 2: His voice, his face, his inability to maintain a single
Speaker 2: train of thought.
Speaker 3: It was horrendous. And like I mean, Trump.
Speaker 2: Is all over the place and said all kinds of
Speaker 2: things that I can't stand and lies and doesn't answer.
Speaker 3: The question whatever.
Speaker 2: But like you said, Zagar, I can't even get to like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's talk about there are different stances on it. First
Speaker 2: of all, I don't really have that different stances on immigration,
Speaker 2: but or Israel or any number of other issues. But
Speaker 2: you know, I would love to get into, oh, let's
Speaker 2: talk about Biden's antitrust, let's talk about labor policy. No
Speaker 2: one who watched this debate is going to get past
Speaker 2: the fact that he was so much worse than I
Speaker 2: think we've been. You know, expected, we know that Biden
Speaker 2: is not where he was. We expected some problems in
Speaker 2: this debate. This was so far beyond what I anticipated.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, it felt like he spent way too much
Speaker 4: time at camp David rehearsing, like practicing.
Speaker 1: With the statistics. Did you know the statistics?
Speaker 4: He had all these stats, and he had a couple
Speaker 4: of what you could tell were supposed to be one liners,
Speaker 4: but he only got through like half the line. I
Speaker 4: think I saw him heading over our neighborhood around four
Speaker 4: thirty or so, so like he just kind of got
Speaker 4: into town.
Speaker 1: If that was stepped off the plane, was there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he was just worn out and his voice
Speaker 4: from the very beginning was awkward. So people are now,
Speaker 4: like in the Democratic Party are thinking it's funny. In
Speaker 4: the beginning of this, I said, there are some decent
Speaker 4: number of grassroots Democrats who are kind of hoping that
Speaker 4: he has such a poor performance tonight that it just
Speaker 4: forces him off the ticket that they have to pull
Speaker 4: them not because they don't like Biden, but because they
Speaker 4: want to beat Trump.
Speaker 3: So do you think this was that performance?
Speaker 1: It was that performance? If it was anything into this,
Speaker 1: I mean, that is the worst possible. That is the
Speaker 1: worst moment of his life.
Speaker 2: So we should know Emily, Well, Charlie, she's doing something else.
Speaker 2: We didn't kick Emily off the island.
Speaker 5: We love Emily.
Speaker 2: She wanted me to share with you She also thought
Speaker 2: he looked old and terrible.
Speaker 1: Well, she said old as fuck. Let's be.
Speaker 3: Let's actually come.
Speaker 2: She said, he's oldest fuck and she'll share more of
Speaker 2: her thoughts than she returns.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean listen, going into this, I was like, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be by it, like right, Anyone who thinks they're
Speaker 2: gonna pull him, you're delusional. It's gonna be Joe Biden, Like,
Speaker 2: deal with it. We all need to live in the
Speaker 2: realm of reality. This is when it's hitting home. After this,
Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious.
Speaker 2: I I shouldn't say this because it will incentivize people
Speaker 2: to switch over to the mainstream coverage. I am actually
Speaker 2: curious what they're saying on MSNBC and CNN.
Speaker 3: Because I know the cope.
Speaker 2: Somebody tweeted out like, oh, I have two sources who
Speaker 2: say as a cold.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't even know how Colos to explaining.
Speaker 1: So the Biden campaign Crystal has called every mainstream reporter
Speaker 1: in the country and has gotten them to run the
Speaker 1: reporter two sources say he has a cold, and as
Speaker 1: I said, presumably when you have a cold you take suit,
Speaker 1: a fed or something with pseudo after we know.
Speaker 2: That what a cold looks for that it doesn't look
Speaker 2: like your brain melting in real time.
Speaker 1: Stoneface, the open mouth gape. I mean, anybody who has
Speaker 1: an elderly person in their life has understood what we
Speaker 1: all just witnessed. It was horrifying almost from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: And just to give people a taste too, as you said,
Speaker 1: Crystal two of what the mainstream coverage was, let's put
Speaker 1: F one please up on the screen, just to give
Speaker 1: people an idea of how such an unmitigated disaster. This
Speaker 1: is from the AP, the AP, the most middle of
Speaker 1: the road mainstream, and this is what they put out
Speaker 1: on their newswire to their entire subscriber service. Quote in
Speaker 1: the first half hour of the debate, a rasby Biden
Speaker 1: delivers rambling answers while Trump counters with energy and falsehoods.
Speaker 1: But even they have to say raspby Biden rambling answers,
Speaker 1: and they even have to acknowledge Trump counters with energy.
Speaker 1: This is also where I have to eat the he
Speaker 1: does yes, but he's Trump. But I would I would
Speaker 1: say this too. The rules unambiguously worked in the favor
Speaker 1: of Trump. There's no question I think that was one
Speaker 1: of the top five performances of his life because he
Speaker 1: just seemed like relatively normal. He had a few moments,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some stop to steal there at the end.
Speaker 1: People aren't going to like that. Even on abortion, he
Speaker 1: was a little bit all over the place. But the
Speaker 1: whole point is we can't sit here and parse because
Speaker 1: the average person, and I want everybody at home to
Speaker 1: think about this, the average person in your life, your father,
Speaker 1: your sister, your cousin, the person who doesn't watch anything
Speaker 1: but they did watch this. What are they going to
Speaker 1: take away? It ain't anything to do with late term.
Speaker 1: It is, oh my god, what is going on in
Speaker 1: front of us? Go ahead, Crystal.
Speaker 2: So Kyle texted me an update from SNBC. He says
Speaker 2: they're waving the towel. Nicole Wallace said people will be
Speaker 2: talking about whether he should be in the uce.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 4: The MSNBC folks are probably talking to some of the
Speaker 4: same people types of people in Washington that I'm talking to.
Speaker 4: And yes, they're absolutely completely panicked. People who have been
Speaker 4: involved in politics for decades who two hours ago were
Speaker 4: saying put your big boy pants on.
Speaker 2: Like he's the stop wetting the bed, like all this stuff,
Speaker 2: there's no mechanism.
Speaker 4: Some of them are still saying, look, so these are
Speaker 4: the different paths.
Speaker 1: Okay. Some are saying something's got to give.
Speaker 4: This is insane, Like these are very sober, centrist minded
Speaker 4: like Washington creatures.
Speaker 1: Some of them are saying, something's got to give, and
Speaker 1: we've got it from the control room. They're telling us
Speaker 1: that CNN has called his his called his performance quote
Speaker 1: dismal Griffin saying CNN saying it's joke. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just it is unambiguous and to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: I look not so much of a victory lap, Crystal
Speaker 1: Howman and Ryan too. How many recriminations have we all
Speaker 1: received over the last five years for pointing out apology?
Speaker 1: But I do, I genuinely do want an apology. This
Speaker 1: was foisted upon the American people. People in the White House.
Speaker 1: You should be ashamed of yourself, Jake Sullivan and all
Speaker 1: the other folks who see this stuff up close. We've
Speaker 1: been reporting it here day after day. G seven leaders,
Speaker 1: he's gotten worse. We have the public moments, but to
Speaker 1: see this up close, ninety minutes with no filter, it's insane.
Speaker 1: I mean we're in twenty fifth Amendment territory. Is this
Speaker 1: man alive? Like, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 2: So I want to hear what the other Washington. So
Speaker 2: you've got the one group.
Speaker 4: That one group is saying, yeah, like this is crazy,
Speaker 4: this can't go on, it has to change. The other
Speaker 4: group is saying, no, there's no way to get him off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but what we're going to do is we're going to
Speaker 4: focus on the House and Senate. Basically, don't give up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the end of Democrats that always and make you and
Speaker 4: make the argument for Biden that he has a very
Speaker 4: good staff and that you want democrats making nominating the appointees.
Speaker 4: You want Democrats in control of these agencies. And you're
Speaker 4: probably going to lose, but you can maybe win the
Speaker 4: House and Senate. Okay, And we went into this.
Speaker 3: Wait, isn't there a third third group?
Speaker 1: No, that's basically that's it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I got it. There's there's no just delusional.
Speaker 3: And he was great. I thought he was very strong.
Speaker 3: There's none of that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely zero.
Speaker 4: And before this, the the the normal Democratic Senate candidate,
Speaker 4: like a tester or a Jackie Rose or something, was
Speaker 4: running about five to six points ahead of Biden already,
Speaker 4: which showed you that there isn't And Democrats are heartened
Speaker 4: by this in the sense that they're like, oh, look,
Speaker 4: the public likes Democrats, right, they just don't like Biden.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, but Biden is your nominee, right, But
Speaker 4: that so they already had a five point gap before
Speaker 4: this that could widen to something historic. Team You've never
Speaker 4: had a situation where the candidates are kind of pulling
Speaker 4: I mean the House and Senate candidates are pulling the presidentially.
Speaker 3: They talk about coattails.
Speaker 1: Coattails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now everyone is having to live in the
Speaker 2: reality of like, holy shit, that was bad. How long
Speaker 2: before the spin takes hold and it's like, well, Trump
Speaker 2: was lying and he said this bad thing, and everyone's
Speaker 2: just not focused on the substance and Biden.
Speaker 3: Had a cold, And seriously, how.
Speaker 2: Long before they can reconstruct all of the like artifice
Speaker 2: and Potemkin village of biden competence that they had carefully
Speaker 2: constructed prior to this moment.
Speaker 7: I think they're making that decision right now. I think
Speaker 7: literally right now they're scrambling to try to figure out
Speaker 7: if they can put the cat back into the bag,
Speaker 7: because I think if Joe Biden says no way, I'm
Speaker 7: in it, Jack, and I'm not going anywhere Jack, then
Speaker 7: everyone idea that yeah, Jack, I I had forgotten about this.
Speaker 7: But Megan Kelly just showed this clip of Morning Joe
Speaker 7: saying it was Mika saying Marjorie Taylor Green must have
Speaker 7: might have might as well just written this report on
Speaker 7: Biden's health.
Speaker 3: So they said, that's just a few weeks of insane.
Speaker 3: It's insane.
Speaker 7: And so the only reason that everyone is now expressing
Speaker 7: surprise is because they feel like they can't get away
Speaker 7: with their lie anymore because everybody saw it crumble on
Speaker 7: national television. But we all saw Joe Biden after her
Speaker 7: report come out and say I have no memory problems
Speaker 7: at a press conference in which he had several lapses
Speaker 7: in his memory.
Speaker 8: It's like, clearly not okay. We've known he's not okay.
Speaker 7: So if he tells his inner circle, whose friends are
Speaker 7: all scattered across corporate media, that he's going to do it,
Speaker 7: they'll find a way to make it work.
Speaker 2: Well that I that experience with that try what made
Speaker 2: me question because after that report came out where he
Speaker 2: said basically like I can't charge this guy. The jury
Speaker 2: is gonna be like, he's just a confused old man.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't put this man in front of a jury.
Speaker 2: And he can't even remember when he was vice president.
Speaker 3: That was part of it.
Speaker 2: Couldn't remember when his own son died, right, That was
Speaker 2: the type of memory lapses that he was reportedly having.
Speaker 2: And there was a moment in the media when there
Speaker 2: were a bunch of pieces written. People were like, Oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, this is really bad, like Democrats need to
Speaker 2: do something about this. And then very quickly the ranks
Speaker 2: closed again, and you know, you had people out there
Speaker 2: saying things like that, and I.
Speaker 7: Don't think they can get away with it this time though.
Speaker 7: That's my inclination is they can't.
Speaker 8: I don't know that they don't know.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to that point. I mean, it is
Speaker 2: one thing to see it in a report. It's another
Speaker 2: thing to watch it yourself, right, And that does make
Speaker 2: it quite under that and especially coming on the heels
Speaker 2: of the G seven and the clips nicked, amount of that,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: I think there's a foreign the foreign against case is
Speaker 1: this is that first time, remember there was Andrew Mitchell
Speaker 1: when Biden was losing in twenty nineteen. In early twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and Mitchell has that segment and be like, we need
Speaker 1: to ask serious questions about Joe Biden's age, and then
Speaker 1: six months later she's like, it was a stutter the
Speaker 1: whole time. I never said that before. The reason why
Speaker 1: I think this one is substitutely different is that there's
Speaker 1: actually very crazy high stakes now at this point where
Speaker 1: the national public is so much more coalesced around. He
Speaker 1: is old that if they try to do a similar
Speaker 1: like walk back that they did before, that they would
Speaker 1: lose even more credibility. Even these shameless liars we have
Speaker 1: to believe have a line. But I also wouldn't put
Speaker 1: it past them. I wouldn't pad it past Andrew Mitchell
Speaker 1: and all them to roll out the stutter. So I
Speaker 1: just don't know the course.
Speaker 2: We've got a CNN clip to give us all a flavor.
Speaker 2: We haven't watched this, so we can react to it live.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to how things are going over there.
Speaker 9: It involves party strategists, it involves elected officials, it involves fundraisers,
Speaker 9: and they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they
Speaker 9: think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people
Speaker 9: down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations
Speaker 9: about what they should do about it. Some of those
Speaker 9: conversations include, should we go to the White House and
Speaker 9: ask the president's step aside others or other of the
Speaker 9: conversations are about should prominent Democrats go public with that
Speaker 9: call because they feel this debate was so terrible?
Speaker 1: That's right first, afterwards, keep that ouns right.
Speaker 2: That is interesting because he raises a good point because again,
Speaker 2: we're not thinking about people.
Speaker 3: Doing the right thing for the country or whatever. That's
Speaker 3: not what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: We're talking about self interested political actors who have their
Speaker 2: own careers and paychecks in mind. He's raising what I
Speaker 2: think is true, which is that, yes, Democrats are going
Speaker 2: to outperform Biden, but if you have that week of
Speaker 2: a candidate at the top of the ticket, it is
Speaker 2: going to drag down everybody's performance across the board. So
Speaker 2: if you're a Rosen in Nevada, if you're a tester
Speaker 2: in Montana, you're trying to get re elected, you're any
Speaker 2: number of congressional candidates around the country, Suddenly you're going
Speaker 2: this guy's this is a real problem for me personally.
Speaker 4: You could also they could also rationalize it though by saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: if it looks this obvious that Trump is going to win,
Speaker 4: then somebody like a tester or a rose and actually get
Speaker 4: benefits because from the voters who want to check on
Speaker 4: Trump because they think Trump that they kind of like Trump.
Speaker 4: They prefer Trump to Biden, but they don't want him
Speaker 4: to have full control of Congress either.
Speaker 1: So you can see the divided Congress, the old divide.
Speaker 1: There is actually good evidence for that. Yeah, it gets
Speaker 1: playing is so rare. I mean, there is some tickets playing.
Speaker 1: But if you have a canon at the top of
Speaker 1: the ticket who is not much of a drag, it's.
Speaker 4: Going to be a problem for there is probably it's
Speaker 4: probably more of a drag.
Speaker 3: They're going to have to defend it as the benefit.
Speaker 8: They will have to defend him every day at every
Speaker 8: state fair. They'll have to defend him.
Speaker 1: That's right. We have a apparently we have a joy
Speaker 1: in read clip. We've got to check in with Joy
Speaker 1: over at MSNBC from our producers. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take a list in guys, I too.
Speaker 10: Was on the phone throughout much of the debate with
Speaker 10: Obama world, people with Democrats, with people who were political operatives,
Speaker 10: with campaign operatives. My phone really never stopped buzzing throughout,
Speaker 10: and the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic. The people
Speaker 10: who were texting with me were very concerned about President
Speaker 10: Biden seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely weak, extremely feeble.
Speaker 2: It's bullshit that they're surprised how good is But you
Speaker 2: know what, Emily, I mean, I am surprised by that's
Speaker 2: how bad. But we don't nobody guess we're not We're.
Speaker 7: Not in Obama world, and we don't spend time with
Speaker 7: the people who spend time with him every.
Speaker 3: Day, right, yeah, But I mean the level because it
Speaker 3: was here's the thing. I thought we saw the state.
Speaker 1: Of the Union.
Speaker 2: It was okay, But he was reading off a teleprompter
Speaker 2: when he has when he and he had an audience,
Speaker 2: when he had us to gather the words for himself.
Speaker 3: It's bad, and it was worse. It was.
Speaker 2: I had low expectations. My expectations were on the floor.
Speaker 2: I thought he would at least have some moments on
Speaker 2: abortion or on January sixth, or something that they could
Speaker 2: take and run with.
Speaker 3: And this was strong.
Speaker 2: There's not one moment because when we were you know,
Speaker 2: we were picking clips of like, all right, how do we.
Speaker 3: Want our appreicent that debate?
Speaker 2: And I had in my mind like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to show all the bad ones if he
Speaker 2: has a good one, like we should show them. What
Speaker 2: am I going to show? There's nothing to show and
Speaker 2: a handicap, there's plenty of things.
Speaker 3: Trump said that.
Speaker 2: Barrels of an alley cat also sounds like something that.
Speaker 1: Are you in the production of Annie? But all the
Speaker 1: Chimney sweeps know, it's.
Speaker 2: Not like Okay, Trump looked like a connoisseur out there
Speaker 2: in comparison, but imagine it's Gavin Newsom up there on
Speaker 2: the station. Yeah, Gavin Newsom could have picked Trump apart,
Speaker 2: and that there was plenty to work with there on abortion,
Speaker 2: on stop the steal, on all kinds of things. Right
Speaker 2: that Trump is just making up shit as he goes along,
Speaker 2: But he at least seemed like he will survive another
Speaker 2: four years, you know, And so in contrast, he looked absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know, incredible, And you didn't see any of that pushback,
Speaker 2: any of the attempted pushback was so incoherent. You didn't
Speaker 2: even know what point Biden was trying to make in
Speaker 2: response to it. So, yeah, I mean the fact that
Speaker 2: you have CNN with your sources Van Jones.
Speaker 7: Nick Christoph Axel, Rod Joy Reid, Axel Rod, Joy Reid,
Speaker 7: Nicole Wallace, and I mean Casey yeah, Casey hunt Over
Speaker 7: who who you know?
Speaker 1: Cut off the Oh.
Speaker 3: I do want to say the CNN laterators were pretty good.
Speaker 5: They do good.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, we have some absolutely massive breaking news,
Speaker 2: which is that much anticipated or speculated about. President Joe
Speaker 2: Biden is stepping back from being the Democratic nominee withdrawing
Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty four race. He will remain as president.
Speaker 2: He is not resigning that position. I'm going to pull
Speaker 2: up for you the letter that he posted, which I'm
Speaker 2: going to be one hundred with you. I actually haven't
Speaker 2: read yet, So we're going to read it together right
Speaker 2: now in real time, because I wanted to jump on
Speaker 2: and bring you the news as much as possible, and
Speaker 2: also obviously Ryan Grimm here with us to help us
Speaker 2: pass through what all of this means. So he says,
Speaker 2: my fellow Americans, over the past three and a half years,
Speaker 2: we have made great progress as a nation, Today, America
Speaker 2: has the strongest economy in the world. We've made historic
Speaker 2: investments in rebuilding our nation, in luring prescription drug costs
Speaker 2: for seniors, and expanding affordable healthcare to a record number
Speaker 2: of Americans. We've provided critically needed care to a million
Speaker 2: veterans exposed to toxic substances, past the first gun safety law,
Speaker 2: and thirty years pointed the first African American woman to
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, and passed the most significant climate legislation
Speaker 2: in the history of the world. America has never been
Speaker 2: better positioned to lead than we are today. I know
Speaker 2: none of this could have been done without you, the
Speaker 2: American people. Together we overcame a once in a century
Speaker 2: pandemic and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
Speaker 2: We have protected and preserved our democracy, and we've revitalized
Speaker 2: and strengthened our alliances around the world. It has been
Speaker 2: the greatest honor of my life to serve as your president.
Speaker 2: And while it has been my intention to seek reelection,
Speaker 2: I believe it is in the best interest of my
Speaker 2: party and the country for me to stand down and
Speaker 2: to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for
Speaker 2: the remainder of my term. I will speak to the
Speaker 2: nation later this week in more detail about my decision.
Speaker 2: For now, let me express my deepest gratitude to all
Speaker 2: those who have worked so hard to see me reelected.
Speaker 2: I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris for being
Speaker 2: an extraordinary partner in all this work. And let me
Speaker 2: express my heart felt appreciation to the American people for
Speaker 2: the faith and trust you have placed in me. I
Speaker 2: believe today what I always have, that there is nothing
Speaker 2: America can't do when we do it together. We just
Speaker 2: have to remember we are the United States of America.
Speaker 2: Signed Joe Biden. So Ryan, a few things that jump
Speaker 2: out at me right off the jump. First of all,
Speaker 2: the timing is wild. The RNC just concluded obviously we
Speaker 2: are weeks away from the DNC, so just an extraordinary
Speaker 2: moment in history. Second of all, he is withdrawing from
Speaker 2: the race but remaining as president, not resigning from that position.
Speaker 2: That was a new push that Republicans in particular were
Speaker 2: starting to make, but others as well are saying, listen,
Speaker 2: if you're not fit to run for office, how are
Speaker 2: you fit to continue to serve in the presidency. Number Three,
Speaker 2: While he expresses his gratitude to Kamala Harris his of
Speaker 2: course vice president. He does not endorse her or any
Speaker 2: specific process to succeed him as democratic nominee here, leaving
Speaker 2: an open question whether he will do any of that
Speaker 2: or just leave it open to what comes next.
Speaker 3: So what is your initial reaction here, Yes.
Speaker 4: All of that, thanking Kamala Harris for being a partner
Speaker 4: in the process but not endorsing her is huge. It
Speaker 4: opens up the next several days to be a period
Speaker 4: of intense jocking. Biden, as has been reported basically everywhere,
Speaker 4: was at king lear levels of resentment and anger over
Speaker 4: the last several days as he's been being pushed to leave.
Speaker 4: And Griffin, did you say something? Okay, there you go,
Speaker 4: Griffin says he just endorsed Kamala Harris. So breaking news
Speaker 4: from Griffin that he did not endorse her in the
Speaker 4: letter but waited until afterwards to endorse her might be
Speaker 4: a way to you know, sanctify the dignity of the
Speaker 4: Oval office and not sully it with the political machinations
Speaker 4: of political machinims. That's how democrats think. That is very
Speaker 4: democrat brain. So now you're going to see the entire
Speaker 4: now You're going to see a contest between those who
Speaker 4: are advocating for an open convention, such as Nancy Pelosi,
Speaker 4: such as myself, I rarely agree with Nancy Pelosi, and
Speaker 4: those who say, look, it's it's too chaotic, it's too toxic,
Speaker 4: it's too late. What we need to do now is
Speaker 4: just rally behind Kamala Harris and just right, you know,
Speaker 4: ride to the elect ride to the general election with.
Speaker 2: So here is the here's the Joe Biden tweet in
Speaker 2: which he endorses Kamala Harris. He says, my fellow Democrats,
Speaker 2: I've decided not to accept the nomination to focus all
Speaker 2: my energies on my duties as president for the remainder
Speaker 2: of my term. My very first decision as the party
Speaker 2: nominee in twenty twenty was to pick Kamala Harris as
Speaker 2: my vice president, and it's been the best decision I've made. Today,
Speaker 2: I want to offer my full support and endorsement for
Speaker 2: Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats,
Speaker 2: it's time to come together and beat Trump. Let's do this.
Speaker 2: So we'll see whether the strength of Joe Biden's endorsement
Speaker 2: of Kamala is enough to completely quiet those like Pelosi,
Speaker 2: who reportedly, behind the scenes, had been pushing for an
Speaker 2: open convention process. I suspect that many of the donors
Speaker 2: also are interested in that open convention process. The reason
Speaker 2: being that, I mean, if you look at the polling,
Speaker 2: one of the weakest candidates to run against Trump not
Speaker 2: named Joe Biden is Kamala Harris, at least according to
Speaker 2: the polling today. Now, listen, none of that is set
Speaker 2: in stone. She may be sort of I think underappreciated
Speaker 2: at the moment, given the fact that she just hasn't
Speaker 2: been in the public spotlight that much. You could see
Speaker 2: a bump just based on the fact, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: she's not a thousand years old and she can string
Speaker 2: three sentences together.
Speaker 3: This is incredible. But if you're just.
Speaker 2: Going by the data at this point, you would look
Speaker 2: at her compared to a Gretchen Whitmer, a Pete Boodagic,
Speaker 2: a Gavin Newsom, Andy Pasheer, a Josh Shapiro, a Roy Coo.
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on and on, and say,
Speaker 2: if you're just concerned with defeating Donald Trump, any one
Speaker 2: of these other candidates is likely to be in a
Speaker 2: stronger position. The other thing with regards to Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: I mean, there are a few things to mention here. Obviously,
Speaker 2: it goes without saying that her defenders will say that
Speaker 2: it is outrageous to shove aside the first female woman
Speaker 2: vice president, black woman vice president. They will also say
Speaker 2: voters in the primary, which you know, let's put aside
Speaker 2: the fact there really wasn't a primary, but they voted
Speaker 2: for Biden Harris, so she has more democratic legitimacy. This
Speaker 2: is the case that they would make for why she
Speaker 2: should be the presumptive nominee.
Speaker 3: So there's that.
Speaker 2: There's also the fact that she's been in the public eye,
Speaker 2: so perhaps she's better vetted than other potential candidates who
Speaker 2: could be a wildcard. On the flip side of all
Speaker 2: of that, Ryan, you know, she also we know her weaknesses,
Speaker 2: we know the negatives, and we also know, based on polling,
Speaker 2: that the people who are most closely associated with the
Speaker 2: Biden administration really have a weight around their neck at
Speaker 2: this point, especially because of the sense of betrayal of
Speaker 2: this administration and the level of cover up that they
Speaker 2: perpetrated on the American public visa via his health concerns.
Speaker 4: Yea, And I think the argument that she's been vetted
Speaker 4: is one of the flimsiest, and that she's been, you know,
Speaker 4: a national figure. It's true that she was vetted during
Speaker 4: the twenty nineteen twenty twenty campaign, and.
Speaker 1: She absolutely withered under the heat of it.
Speaker 4: So it's not like she was vetted and then succeeded
Speaker 4: in even making it to Iowa, like she dropped out
Speaker 4: before Iowa, because once national attention was on her, she crumbled.
Speaker 4: She was then picked by Biden, not as he says,
Speaker 4: because he thinks she'd be a great president, but because
Speaker 4: that's what he wanted to add to the ticket for
Speaker 4: electoral purposes.
Speaker 2: She had.
Speaker 4: There hasn't been a whole lot of focus on her,
Speaker 4: you know, during the Biden Harris administration, to the extent
Speaker 4: it was was about her comment do not come about immigration,
Speaker 4: or you know, her effort to do voting rights she got.
Speaker 4: She kept getting handed these really impossible tasks, which is
Speaker 4: often what presidents do. That's what Obama did to Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: The most scrutiny she got was over her massive staff turmoil. Now, journalistically,
Speaker 4: if Kamala Harris does win, it could be delightful for reporters,
Speaker 4: because you know, the vice president's office has been toxic
Speaker 4: and chaotic and filled with leaks. Less so in the
Speaker 4: last you know, six months or so, but for most
Speaker 4: of the Biden administration, her office was just a disaster. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just with people rotating in and out constantly and leaving
Speaker 4: and trashing the culture there, which is exactly what happened.
Speaker 11: During the campaign.
Speaker 4: Remember New York Times, the Political and others did the
Speaker 4: tiktoks about her campaign talking about how, you know, what
Speaker 4: a train wreck the entire thing was. Now, the reason
Speaker 4: I think that you're not going to end up with
Speaker 4: an open convention is because people like Pelosi can manifest
Speaker 4: the possibility of it, because they have enough power to
Speaker 4: do that, but they can't force anybody to run. And
Speaker 4: that these centrist Democratic candidates are so cowardly and cynical
Speaker 4: and calculating that I don't think, I hope I'm proven
Speaker 4: wrong here. I don't think any of them will even
Speaker 4: challenge Kamala Harris. My understanding is that they believe that
Speaker 4: because she has establishment endorsements and she's the vice president,
Speaker 4: that she's very difficult to beat, that they will likely
Speaker 4: lose to her, that they would be seen as disloyal,
Speaker 4: and that Harris will lose in the general that they
Speaker 4: would be blamed or those of her loss, or the
Speaker 4: fact that they challenge her and loss would be considered
Speaker 4: their shot, like hey, hey, you had your shot, you
Speaker 4: pulled your ticket, you got your order, get in the
Speaker 4: back of line, and so everybody else. So everybody's like, okay,
Speaker 4: let's let her lose and then we will run in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight, which of course flies in the face
Speaker 4: of all the Democratic arguments that I make that.
Speaker 1: There won't be a twenty twenty eight election.
Speaker 4: So like, wait a minute, which one is it here?
Speaker 2: So I want to come back to this, but I
Speaker 2: do want to back up for a second and just
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about Joe Biden's decision making process
Speaker 2: and these extraordinary past several weeks. Obviously, this all began
Speaker 2: with that utterly disastrous debate performance, which Ran I want
Speaker 2: to give you an eye will pat on the back,
Speaker 2: because in our pre debate coverage, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you remember this, I think we both were saying that
Speaker 2: there is a possibility that he's so bad tonight that
Speaker 2: it is not recoverable.
Speaker 4: And I haven't said a bunch of Democrats were like
Speaker 4: secretly hoping for well.
Speaker 2: Thing, that it would be such a disaster. That's right,
Speaker 2: and that is what unfolds now. I didn't actually expect
Speaker 2: it to be that bad. I thought it would be bad.
Speaker 3: But in the way that expectations it did.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be bad in the way that
Speaker 2: He's normally bad, but it was, you know, an extra
Speaker 2: special level of bad, and that has just sent the
Speaker 2: whole party into a total tail spin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was certainly insane. I'll never forget that.
Speaker 3: People loved our live pan during the debate, of.
Speaker 1: Course, yeah, because we were like I think it was
Speaker 1: literally a shot being like this, like in the first
Speaker 1: ten minutes too, because that was the craziest part of
Speaker 1: it is it started off bad and it just somehow
Speaker 1: got worse.
Speaker 2: Way like how is this going to last for two hours?
Speaker 2: Like how is this going to happen?
Speaker 1: I still don't I still can't believe it lasted as
Speaker 1: long as it did. I think the most insane part
Speaker 1: of that whole thing is that it was part of
Speaker 1: the most insane week in American politics, because you had
Speaker 1: the Biden debate, then you had the or insane like
Speaker 1: month in American politics. You had all of that, and
Speaker 1: then on the heels of it is the Trump attempted assassinations,
Speaker 1: which was so crazy to live through because it happened
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. You have the immediate images of literal
Speaker 1: blood on his face, then you have the fallout, then
Speaker 1: you have the Secret Service investigation, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know whatever happened with that, but anyways, it was
Speaker 1: totally totally insane.
Speaker 2: Well in his reaction in that moment, which becomes, you know,
Speaker 2: an enduring image and certainly an iconic image. I still
Speaker 2: see posters of it around my conservative community, etc. So
Speaker 2: just for you guys to recall, here was our immediate
Speaker 2: reaction at the time, and some of are coverage of
Speaker 2: how that wild series of events all unfolded.
Speaker 1: We have full spectrum coverage here at breaking points this
Speaker 1: morning of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump at his
Speaker 1: rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on Saturday. We brought you two
Speaker 1: breaking news segments over the weekend breaking some of that down,
Speaker 1: but we're going to go a full through the timeline
Speaker 1: of the events, some of the fallout, what we know
Speaker 1: about the shooter so far, the FBI investigation, President Biden's
Speaker 1: response will then dissect exactly what we know about the
Speaker 1: Secret services colossal failure here in preventing this attempted assassination,
Speaker 1: some of the holes that have opened up, and some
Speaker 1: of the background also into the problems inside of this
Speaker 1: agency that are now glaringly revealed after this incident. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about President Biden and
Speaker 1: his political future. His political future appear saved more so
Speaker 1: now by the attempted assassination and some of the news
Speaker 1: coverage and some of the planning going on now behind
Speaker 1: the scenes by the Democratic Party. How they think that
Speaker 1: they can weather this and perhaps go all the way
Speaker 1: to election day without more calls from elected officials calling
Speaker 1: on Biden to drop out. We're going to give everybody
Speaker 1: a preview of the RNC, which of course kicks off
Speaker 1: today and will go all the way to Thursday. Some
Speaker 1: news about Donald Trump and the speech that he has given,
Speaker 1: and about also some changes that he's made to that
Speaker 1: speech in the wake of his shooting. How he's feeling
Speaker 1: exactly how this will change the presidential election race going
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty four. Will finally end the segment on
Speaker 1: a funny note, somebody who you saw very recently here
Speaker 1: on this program, the advisor to Democratic billionaire Megadonner Reed Hoffman,
Speaker 1: has apparently been caught in the immediate aftermath of the shooting,
Speaker 1: who you saw in our counterpoints debate against Shank Yuger
Speaker 1: about Biden staying in the race. Well, he apparently was
Speaker 1: caught telling journalists in the hours after the attempted assassination
Speaker 1: that the entire thing was apparently stayed. So a real
Speaker 1: view into the democratic elite mind and some of the
Speaker 1: conspiracies that harbor there. As we said at the top,
Speaker 1: this is a full spectrum breaking points coverage. Thank you
Speaker 1: to everybody, our premium subscribers who enable us to be
Speaker 1: able to put out that breaking news coverage, to continue
Speaker 1: doing the show here every day. Our own Emily Jashinski
Speaker 1: is on the ground at the RNC, so throughout the
Speaker 1: week we'll check in with her about what's going on.
Speaker 1: She'll be doing interviews and other things. And then don't
Speaker 1: forget we also the entire crew will be on the
Speaker 1: ground for the DNA see which is in August in Chicago.
Speaker 1: So thank you to all of our premium members here,
Speaker 1: the guys who enable us to continue doing this work.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the attempted assassination on Donald Trump, and
Speaker 1: I'll try and just start at the very beginning of
Speaker 1: the incident. So let's go ahead and play some of
Speaker 1: the video here. This was in Butler, Pennsylvania, approximately six
Speaker 1: fifteen pm. You saw Trump. He was in the middle
Speaker 1: of his speech, only five minutes or so. Immediately you
Speaker 1: see shots begin to ring out and Secret Service agents
Speaker 1: who jump immediately on top of the President. Mostly striking
Speaker 1: things is that you can see the incredible confusion going
Speaker 1: on behind Donald Trump. And unfortunately, that heartbreaking screen that
Speaker 1: you hear in the background is people realizing that an
Speaker 1: innocent bystander, just a normal person who woke up on Saturday,
Speaker 1: he was excited to go to the former president's rally,
Speaker 1: lost his life and was shot.
Speaker 12: Er.
Speaker 1: Doctor who was on the scene said that he was
Speaker 1: shot in the head and almost certainly a fatality. Immediately
Speaker 1: after it happened. We know a little bit more about
Speaker 1: that into and I'll bring you some news about him.
Speaker 1: But what you're watching, obviously is just an incredibly chaotic scene.
Speaker 1: You have these Secret Service agents. We can actually hear
Speaker 1: them on the microphone that is being picked up. There
Speaker 1: where they're saying get down, get down. Then they realize
Speaker 1: that the shooter is down. They say that the threat
Speaker 1: has been neutralized. As Trump begins to rise, they bring
Speaker 1: him up and they surround him and create a barrier
Speaker 1: with their own bodies around the former president. One of
Speaker 1: them is actually checking him for wounds while he is
Speaker 1: standing there. Trump obviously is both He's a little bit
Speaker 1: confused in the immediate moment, but then he says wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: and that is there one of the most iconic moments
Speaker 1: where he shouts fight, fight, fight to the crowd, puts
Speaker 1: his fist up, also creating that iconic image that we
Speaker 1: have now all probably seen over the weekend where you
Speaker 1: can see the Associated Press photographer was right below him
Speaker 1: and was able to capture Trump with his fist in
Speaker 1: the air, blood on his face, in the American flag
Speaker 1: flying high in the background as he is rushed to
Speaker 1: his vehicle. Let's go to the next part here as
Speaker 1: well and put that image please up on the screen.
Speaker 1: This is where a lot of the questions now are
Speaker 1: centering what the hell happened here with this response from
Speaker 1: law enforcement. So what you can see directly in front
Speaker 1: of you, this is a map that's been put together.
Speaker 1: You can see the stage where Donald Trump was speaking
Speaker 1: in Butler, Pennsylvania. You can also see where the wounded
Speaker 1: rally attempt attendee was sitting. You can see behind where
Speaker 1: the law enforcement counter snipers were positioned on the rooftop.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion around the actions of
Speaker 1: those counter snipers. But then over to the left on
Speaker 1: that building rooftop was the location of the gunman's body.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions here about how exactly
Speaker 1: a gunman is able to walk on to a rooftop
Speaker 1: with a direct line of sight to former President Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: He's able not only to walk onto the rooftop, he's
Speaker 1: able to get into the prone firing position and then
Speaker 1: able to squeeze off some seven to eight shots at
Speaker 1: the former president. Let's go and put the next graphic
Speaker 1: up please. That is also very helpful in kind of
Speaker 1: discovering what happened here. This shows you actually on the
Speaker 1: ground image and it also realizes just how close that
Speaker 1: this individual was able to get. We're talking about one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty yards that this individual is able to
Speaker 1: get from the former president, and one of the most
Speaker 1: obvious and direct lines of sight. Now there's big discussions
Speaker 1: here about the failures of the Secret Service, but I
Speaker 1: think that image actual really puts everything together quite well.
Speaker 1: You could see exactly where the shooter was, you could
Speaker 1: see where the Secret Service snipers were, and you can
Speaker 1: also see where Donald Trump was there on the stage.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, in the path of that assassin's bullet, a
Speaker 1: innocent bystander was hit in the head while he was
Speaker 1: covering his own family. Just absolutely tragic in the results
Speaker 1: that have happened here. What I think that this image
Speaker 1: underscores most for us is the failure and some shocking
Speaker 1: questions that now have to be asked of the Secret
Speaker 1: Service and how exactly they allowed something like this to happen.
Speaker 1: Everything that we're beginning to learn now behind the scenes
Speaker 1: points to absolutely colossal incompetence. All right, So, Elite media news,
Speaker 1: this is breaking just this morning. Just had to put
Speaker 1: it here in the show because it's delicious. Let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and put this up there on the screen. Report
Speaker 1: from CNN's Oliver Darcy Mourning Joe has been pulled from
Speaker 1: the air Monday because of the Trump shooting. MSNBC will
Speaker 1: not air Morning Joe it's quote celebrated politics Roundtable, opting
Speaker 1: to instead air continued breaking news coverage of the asseempted assassination.
Speaker 1: They confirmed this decision to preempt its influential and top
Speaker 1: rated morning show Sunday evening. After CNN reached out to them,
Speaker 1: The network said that the show will resume on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: The decision by MSNBC to leave one of its most
Speaker 1: recognizable programs on the sidelines amid a seismic politics news
Speaker 1: driven news cycle with the RNC underway is going to
Speaker 1: raise eyebrows. Now listen to this because this is the
Speaker 1: delicious part. A person familiar with the matter told CNN
Speaker 1: that the decision was made to avoid a scenario in
Speaker 1: which one of the show's stable of two dozen plus
Speaker 1: guests might make an inappropriate comment on live television that
Speaker 1: could be used to assail the program and the network
Speaker 1: as a whole. Given the breaking news nature of the story,
Speaker 1: it made more sense to continue airing rolling breaking coverage
Speaker 1: and fraud political moment. Given the gravity and the complexity
Speaker 1: of the story, NBC and MSNBC have been remained in
Speaker 1: rolling baking coverage as we continue. These networks continued across
Speaker 1: simulcast alternating between NBC News and MSNBC, so there is
Speaker 1: one feed covering the assassination and the alleged attempt. Now
Speaker 1: there is a lot to be said about that, but
Speaker 1: for one of the bosses to say we don't trust
Speaker 1: our own flagship anchors not say something crazy is an
Speaker 1: insane thing to admit, because what you're really saying is
Speaker 1: that we don't want the potential criticism of our flagship
Speaker 1: anchors in the time when it matters the most. So
Speaker 1: if that's true, then why should we want them on
Speaker 1: the air at all if they can't be trusted in them.
Speaker 1: This is the thing too about news, and this is
Speaker 1: something I've learned a lot about doing this business. We
Speaker 1: do this show basically, you know, all the time, every day, etc.
Speaker 1: And we're on call twenty four hours and most of
Speaker 1: the time nothing that important is happening. Like we're bringing
Speaker 1: the people the news. It's not earth shattering. But one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that you have to do that is
Speaker 1: because this is all about trust. This is me coming
Speaker 1: to you. I mean, I've been doing this job almost
Speaker 1: five years now that some of you have been sticking
Speaker 1: with us between rising and breaking points. EVE been watching
Speaker 1: the show almost every single day at this point, we
Speaker 1: have a relationship, right, And so because you've stuck with
Speaker 1: us now through all the ups and downs, not just
Speaker 1: the big times, but in terms of inflation or you know,
Speaker 1: anytimes you pick random or fun stories or whatever that
Speaker 1: is going on, you know, and you know a little
Speaker 1: bit about me, and you have trust in me, and
Speaker 1: you have trust in Crystal, Ryan and Emily and everybody
Speaker 1: else here at the show about this type of the
Speaker 1: things that we have in place to both check ourselves,
Speaker 1: to check each other, to look about what's going on
Speaker 1: here with the news, to report it to you properly,
Speaker 1: and if you hear any opinion, especially in a fraught
Speaker 1: political moment, you're going to know they're well considered, that
Speaker 1: we're coming at it from the long perspective, and you
Speaker 1: could bake that in and in fact, I would say
Speaker 1: it's times like now. I'm not going to say you
Speaker 1: need us the most, but it's times like now where
Speaker 1: we feel most gratified because you have the most amount
Speaker 1: of wanting to know what the hell is going on,
Speaker 1: and we feel very very fortunate that you're willing to
Speaker 1: put your trust in us at that time. In the
Speaker 1: bad times, the good times and also in the medium
Speaker 1: in the downtime. So whenever you take somebody off the
Speaker 1: air in a breaking news situation at the time when
Speaker 1: news consumption is near and all. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: have the data yet, I'm willing to bet this is
Speaker 1: an all time high for just the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: We take somebody off and you say you don't trust
Speaker 1: them to cover it, then that's actually a mission. You
Speaker 1: should never trust them at all. That's really what I
Speaker 1: know the most about, having done this job now for
Speaker 1: quite some time. And the sad thing now is I
Speaker 1: think they're right. Is that they're obviously right in that.
Speaker 1: Look at the way that Scarborough burned all of his
Speaker 1: credibility on Joe Biden on saying he has you know,
Speaker 1: even more cogent than ever before attacking the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 1: and then three weeks later admitting saying maybe Joe Biden
Speaker 1: doesn't need to drop out of the race after they
Speaker 1: can't cover it up anymore, and then back, you know,
Speaker 1: changing that flip flopping saying oh no, no, he should
Speaker 1: stay a Mika Brazinski saying, actually I'm cool with him staying.
Speaker 1: But more so, think too about what's the story I
Speaker 1: just did, right, these guys Didmitri Meilhorn. These people are crazy.
Speaker 1: They think that Donald Trump and Putin staged a shooting
Speaker 1: that came within inches of ending Trump's life for political benefit.
Speaker 1: That's what they think in the immediate aftermath. Those are
Speaker 1: the type of people who are on Morning Joe. Remember
Speaker 1: Donnie Deutscher, whoever that guy is, who claims that Trump
Speaker 1: is going to come and kill him. They're nuts. You
Speaker 1: read you know over at MSNBC. She's locked her entire
Speaker 1: Twitter feed after the attempted assassination. Why what happened? Joy?
Speaker 1: What'd you tweet out there in the past that you're
Speaker 1: worried that people might come and look at? And I
Speaker 1: just think it's stunning. I mean, Lawrence Tribe, he's a lawyer,
Speaker 1: he's somebody's been on a Morning Joe, elite Democrat propped
Speaker 1: up all throughout Russigate. He literally tweeted out, you reap
Speaker 1: what you see. So after the attempted assassination on Trump,
Speaker 1: now listen, I want to say this too, because it's important.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are out there talking about unity
Speaker 1: et cetera, like, oh, we got to tone down the rhetoric.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people are also doing the same thing
Speaker 1: that democrats in the media did against Sarah Palin in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of the Gabby Gifford shooting, where they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you said, you know, Biden said something like we got
Speaker 1: to put Trump in the bull's eye. It's like, guys,
Speaker 1: that's bullshit, all right. He wasn't targeting Trump for assassination.
Speaker 1: This is just normal political rhetoric. Now should it be
Speaker 1: that way, I don't know whatever, but I've seen plenty
Speaker 1: of Republicans do that too. And when Sarah Palin put
Speaker 1: out a map which had to quote bulls over Gabby
Speaker 1: Gifford's and targeting her for political defeat, that was not
Speaker 1: legitimate to say that she was trying to incite assassination.
Speaker 1: We are allowed to criticize each other. We believe in
Speaker 1: free speech in this country, especially here on this show,
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily the grounds. But what we do
Speaker 1: know with the MSNBC situation here and taking Morning Joe
Speaker 1: off the air, is if they were to say something
Speaker 1: inappropriate like that, it's more that they don't have the
Speaker 1: wherewithal to even understand the moment that they are in.
Speaker 1: And I think this should be a lesson for everybody,
Speaker 1: and hopefully maybe send this to your boomer MSNBC relatives,
Speaker 1: the people who put their trust. If their bosses can't
Speaker 1: trust them to maintain their composure, to meet the moment,
Speaker 1: to deliver information in a timely and useful manner to
Speaker 1: their audience when it matters the most, why should you
Speaker 1: trust them to do it at any time? So that
Speaker 1: was a Trump assassination. Then shortly afterwards assassination. Then Biden
Speaker 1: drops out of the race, right then Kamala gets, you know,
Speaker 1: jettisoned in and then we have the one hundred days,
Speaker 1: the craziest hundred day campaign in the history of modern
Speaker 1: American politics. Literally a recall to the days of before,
Speaker 1: the before times, no primary or any of the other stuff.
Speaker 1: A lot of speculations, the stuff going to work, how's
Speaker 1: this going to happen.
Speaker 3: Cheney on the trail, and Cuban out there, all these.
Speaker 1: Debates sard and yeah exactly, and the couch Yeah, couch crisis,
Speaker 1: cat lady, the cat lady syop.
Speaker 2: That was a good one podcasting strategy that Joe Rogan's interviews.
Speaker 1: So many questions right.
Speaker 2: All of it, of course, culminates in election night, which
Speaker 2: you know, was wild to watch it all unfold. We
Speaker 2: of course, we're here at the desk covery it live
Speaker 2: with Ryan and Emily. And then also even after the election,
Speaker 2: some of the things we learned about the Kamala Harris campaign,
Speaker 2: which raised an extraordinary record breaking some of money in
Speaker 2: this short, truncated period of time, and some of the
Speaker 2: things that they spent that money on was truly crazy.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm still learning new details to this day
Speaker 2: about various celebrities that they threw hundreds, if not millions
Speaker 2: of dollars to out of these campaign funds. So here
Speaker 2: for you, guys, is a little bit of our immediate reaction,
Speaker 2: and then some of the things we learned in the aftermath.
Speaker 12: Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump officially declared president of the President elect of the
Speaker 1: United States. He won the election last night. The AP
Speaker 1: called the race around four in the morning or so.
Speaker 1: He took to the stage roughly around two thirty to
Speaker 1: declare victory in a speech. We have some of that speech.
Speaker 1: This is the correct one this time. Let's take a
Speaker 1: listen and let's queue it up and watch.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you all very much.
Speaker 13: This is great.
Speaker 5: These are our friends.
Speaker 13: We have thousands of friends on this.
Speaker 1: Incredible movement.
Speaker 13: This was a movement like nobody's ever seen before. And frankly,
Speaker 13: this was I believe the greatest political movement of all time.
Speaker 13: There's ever been anything like this in this country and
Speaker 13: maybe be all and now it's going to reach a
Speaker 13: new level of importance because we're going to help our
Speaker 13: country heal. We're going to help our country here. We
Speaker 13: have a country that needs help, and it needs help
Speaker 13: very badly. We're going to fix our borders, We're going
Speaker 13: to fix everything about our country. And we made history
Speaker 13: for a reason tonight, and the reason is going to
Speaker 13: be just that we overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible
Speaker 13: and it is now clear that we've achieved the most
Speaker 13: incredible political they look.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 5: Is this crazy?
Speaker 13: But it's a political victory that our country has never
Speaker 13: seen before, nothing like this. I want to thank the
Speaker 13: American people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your
Speaker 13: forty seventh president, and you are forty fifth president, and
Speaker 13: every citizen, I will fight for you, for your family
Speaker 13: and your future. Every single day I will be fighting
Speaker 13: for you and with every breath in my body. I
Speaker 13: will not rest until we have delivered the strong, safe,
Speaker 13: and prosperous America that our children deserve and that you deserve.
Speaker 11: So there we go.
Speaker 1: That was the victory speech continued for a little bit
Speaker 1: while Kamala Harris will be giving her concession a little
Speaker 1: bit later today, Guys, we can put that up on
Speaker 1: the screen roughly around four pm Eastern time here in
Speaker 1: Washington from Howard University, where she spent some of election
Speaker 1: night at her party on Tuesday, decided. The news leaked
Speaker 1: out roughly around two am that she wouldn't be taking
Speaker 1: the stage to give her concession at that time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, for those who were not watching live,
Speaker 1: we had a fun, like you know, joke about the
Speaker 1: fact that the right is very upset that she is
Speaker 1: not giving a concession. And I mean, like, on principle,
Speaker 1: I do agree that she's just conceded like last night
Speaker 1: and or this morning, like Hillary Clinton. But yeah, she's
Speaker 1: decided to drag it out a little bit. Also, we
Speaker 1: have not heard a word from the White House. The
Speaker 1: Bible weren't crazy, the Bible.
Speaker 4: Weren't Therefore, sorry, let let him hear our decent counter,
Speaker 4: which is that be my guest? Trump still to this
Speaker 4: day has given his concession speech for twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Well, now he doesn't have to. Now he never has.
Speaker 1: He should give one the time.
Speaker 3: What does he have to give his Farewell?
Speaker 4: You know what I actually here, I actually did lose
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: It was just what did he say?
Speaker 3: It was being sarcastic or something.
Speaker 1: He was being sarcastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he did actually sort.
Speaker 2: Of kind of admit that he lost, and then when
Speaker 2: he got asked about it, the debate was like, I
Speaker 2: wasn't for that was just now he could do the reverse,
Speaker 2: and you like that will stop this deal?
Speaker 3: Sob that wasn't I didn't mean it anyway.
Speaker 1: It's over.
Speaker 7: I will say this is legitimately a huge lingering question
Speaker 7: for the MAGA right, which poured millions of dollars everyone knows.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you were in the conservative space for
Speaker 7: the last couple of years, all the donor energy and
Speaker 7: money was behind election integrity, and they were yesterday Donald
Speaker 7: Trump was saying he was pointing to alleged regularities all
Speaker 7: over the country, and so this is going to be
Speaker 7: a huge, huge question, did it Are they going to
Speaker 7: claim that the election integrity counter efforts worked.
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, let's all be honest. It's happen.
Speaker 2: But this is actually the point I woult to elaborate
Speaker 2: on because I was just on Peers Morgan with that
Speaker 2: guy Vinni from PbD and he was saying, all this
Speaker 2: the number one priory and the Trump administration needs to
Speaker 2: be election integrity because the Democrats flew all these illegals
Speaker 2: into swing.
Speaker 3: States, blah bla blah.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, if they did that, why didn't it deliver?
Speaker 1: For I'm like, what happened far Trump?
Speaker 3: That's it the Latino shift, Like you ended up winning them.
Speaker 3: So I guess you're welcome.
Speaker 1: So we do have an element that I think really
Speaker 1: hammer's home. Just how titanic of an election this was.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put the at Financial Times chart
Speaker 1: please on the screen. It's in the rundown called the
Speaker 1: red wave chart. And basically Donald Trump gained ground in
Speaker 1: all forty eight out of fifty states or Washington, Utah
Speaker 1: and Washington where he did not improve his performance from
Speaker 1: last time around.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the map like coast to coast,
Speaker 2: I mean, it is just a siege. That Washington Post
Speaker 2: map we kept pulling up last night and referring to
Speaker 2: that shows the shifts in every county.
Speaker 3: It's like just a wash in red.
Speaker 2: And so it wasn't just the biggest ships were among
Speaker 2: some of the demographic groups.
Speaker 3: We talked about Latino's in particular.
Speaker 1: That's the big, the big thing of the Row demographic.
Speaker 2: Two. You know, young men gen x men actually were big,
Speaker 2: showed up big for time Trump.
Speaker 8: As well jen x men.
Speaker 7: That sounds like a good TV show, a really.
Speaker 8: Bad one, yeah, coming to TV land.
Speaker 3: But you know, the games were almost across the board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it really was every demographic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it makes it very hard to you know,
Speaker 2: so we're going to react to some of the media
Speaker 2: stuff later, but it makes it very hard to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was you know, Arab Americans, it.
Speaker 3: Was this, It was that.
Speaker 2: It really was a sort of national movement repudiation, which
Speaker 2: I think, you know, also makes it more difficult for
Speaker 2: liberals and Democratic Party supporters in certain ways to deal
Speaker 2: with in twenty sixteen, because twenty sixteen it was like
Speaker 2: call me Russia, sexism, she didn't go to Wisconsin. Next time,
Speaker 2: we'll get them yeah, this time, it's like holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, you know what, Now we have our election guru, Logan.
Speaker 1: By the way, we're going to bring Logan in here, now,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Logan.
Speaker 6: I think you're right about that, Crystal, And this is
Speaker 6: a tough day if you're a Democrat. But I also
Speaker 6: would say there's been like five times in the last
Speaker 6: twenty four twenty eight years where a party thought they
Speaker 6: were completely out after a bad election, you know, from
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety six for Republicans to after nine to eleven
Speaker 6: and two thousand and four Democrats thinking they were hopeless
Speaker 6: publicans feeling hopeless in a way like we just go
Speaker 6: through this all the time, and I'm just starting the list,
Speaker 6: but I'm wanta finish that.
Speaker 1: So one, what were you, Well, no, you're not wrong
Speaker 1: that we should This is not this is not an
Speaker 1: obituary forever, but it is a near term problem. Like
Speaker 1: it's a shake problem, not only problem, it's a narrative
Speaker 1: buster in so many ways, Like we have the Latino
Speaker 1: men who over they went majority for Donald Trump. We
Speaker 1: had white suburban women who they bet the House on
Speaker 1: who also went majority for Donald Trump. So we did
Speaker 1: see an overall increase in some of the female vote.
Speaker 1: But one of the things actually that was incorrect was
Speaker 1: this idea that the gender gap was going to be
Speaker 1: exclusive amongst Gen zs. Not Actually it was just roughly
Speaker 1: around twenty points, which is normal. It was just up
Speaker 1: and down the chain all the way from senior men
Speaker 1: to senior women. So total mirror. Absolutely. In terms of
Speaker 1: the retrospective, it's really interesting, you know, thinking about polls
Speaker 1: and modeling and kind of like what went wrong here.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the exact number, but I believe
Speaker 1: that the poll on average in the battleground states off
Speaker 1: by about three point five percent away from Donald Trump's direction.
Speaker 1: But really the big failure here no offense logan, because
Speaker 1: it's not your fault, but it's everybody for all of
Speaker 1: the modelers, was they simply had no idea how to
Speaker 1: facilitate a model where you had such major independent, young voter,
Speaker 1: Latino voter, and even black mail voters all breaking for
Speaker 1: Trump in a way that they have never voted before
Speaker 1: in modern history. At the same time, got to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the campaign that flopped big, and that was
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. And it appears the biggest flop not only
Speaker 1: was just the vote total, but it actually was a
Speaker 1: lot of the money decisions that were made inside the campaign.
Speaker 1: So we have curated now a list. It appears that
Speaker 1: the Kamala Harris campaign, despite raising over one billion dollars,
Speaker 1: still ended up some twenty million dollars or so in
Speaker 1: debt and is now currently fundraising, still asking people for
Speaker 1: money after she lost. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 1: the screen. So this is an example of one of
Speaker 1: the emails she's been sending out.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 1: She says, first and foremost, we want to acknowledge the fear,
Speaker 1: the confusion, the sadness many of you are feeling at
Speaker 1: this moment. For others, you may be looking for something
Speaker 1: meaningful and important to channel your emotions. If that's you,
Speaker 1: then we're asking you to make a donation to the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party today. Here's why this is important. As you
Speaker 1: read this, there are US Senate and House races that
Speaker 1: are too close to call or within the margin of recounts.
Speaker 1: They all need your help to get across the finish line.
Speaker 1: So can you please rush a contribution to the Harris
Speaker 1: Fight Fund program today? Does anyone want to name like
Speaker 1: a high profile race other than Pennsylvania. That's not in
Speaker 1: recount territory. That's right, So this is a grift. Let's
Speaker 1: all be honest. Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: From Newsweek, it appears that there is a significant amount
Speaker 1: of debt within the Harris Waals campaign, enough so possibly
Speaker 1: up to that of some twenty million dollars, and people
Speaker 1: are starting to ask major questions about how some of
Speaker 1: that got spent. What we see, actually, and very interestingly
Speaker 1: so far, is not only could she possibly it appears
Speaker 1: there are reports out there that she's not able to
Speaker 1: pay some staff.
Speaker 3: The staffers came out and said it wasn't true.
Speaker 2: Okay, staffs came out, So the article actually debunks that thing.
Speaker 2: But the twenty million does seem to.
Speaker 1: Be That twenty million does seem to be crrect and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money, and so we should start
Speaker 1: to take a look then at where some of that
Speaker 1: money went. And the craziest is this. This is hands
Speaker 1: down the craziest. Let's put the next one please. From
Speaker 1: the New York Post, the Harris campaign reportedly spent some
Speaker 1: six figures on the Call Her Daddy podcast set, so
Speaker 1: as the they say it didn't even crack a million views.
Speaker 1: But what's fascinating is that, you know, Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 1: as I understand it, you know, Alex Cooper, all of this.
Speaker 1: She has a home, she has a set, like she
Speaker 1: films it, you know normally, But for some reason, this
Speaker 1: set the one that people are in front of, which
Speaker 1: frankly doesn't even look that good. I don't mean look
Speaker 1: as good as our set. And from what I can
Speaker 1: tell in the dollar figure, Crystal, I think they spent
Speaker 1: more money on it more for one goal appearance honestly,
Speaker 1: appearance that is sounding like.
Speaker 2: This one expenditure obviously is not responsible for the hair slot,
Speaker 2: but it really displays a stunning lack of understanding of
Speaker 2: what matters in the new media space too, Like no
Speaker 2: one is shown up for your freaking like aesthetics. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it's not we have a great side.
Speaker 3: We're proud of it.
Speaker 2: We like, really, we're proud that you guys helped us
Speaker 2: build it. It looks great, it helps us attract bigger
Speaker 2: guests whatever, especially on a podcast like Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 2: Like the aesthetics are really not the important part. So
Speaker 2: it just also displays this like lack of really understanding
Speaker 2: of the space. But the other thing that disgusted me
Speaker 2: with this is, you know, Kamala had her big money backers,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. A lot of these donations didn't
Speaker 2: come for big money to hop backers. They came from
Speaker 2: like regular people. You wasted their money to pay Oprah
Speaker 2: a million, Like you took regular working people's money and
Speaker 2: you siphoned it to Oprah Winfrey and like Beyonce and
Speaker 2: Katie Perry and these other celebrity stars.
Speaker 3: That's disgusting. That is utterly grotesque.
Speaker 2: It's one more reason why you really should have public
Speaker 2: funding of elections, Like it should not be this constant
Speaker 2: emotional manipulation of the public begging them for dollars to
Speaker 2: go fund another like an Oprah Winfrey show and a
Speaker 2: Beyonce speech where she doesn't even perform. I just the
Speaker 2: whole situation is completely grotesque. To be the other thing
Speaker 2: I would say, obviously like it, the money really didn't matter.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it really didn't matter.
Speaker 2: Now you can argue, I think the best case you
Speaker 2: could say is in the battleground state she actually performed
Speaker 2: better than she did in the non battleground states, meaning
Speaker 2: that you know, the ads that were played and the
Speaker 2: field program that was run were at least somewhat consequential
Speaker 2: in terms of narrowing the gap. Obviously not enough, but
Speaker 2: the money really wasn't the thing. And if Democrats are
Speaker 2: going to get serious about winning again, which I doubt
Speaker 2: they will, but maybe you never know, they need to
Speaker 2: throw the whole, the whole of their big donor class overboard.
Speaker 2: They need you know, ready talks about like ohs Sista
Speaker 2: Soldia moments with the left or web. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: the whole party has been like nothing but a series
Speaker 2: of Sista Soljia moments with the Left for decades. Now
Speaker 2: you need to have assist to Soldia moment with the
Speaker 2: donor class because you don't even you don't even need
Speaker 2: their money. Their money is actually a hindrance and it
Speaker 2: just leads to grow test expenditures like a million dollars
Speaker 2: to an already like Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire. She
Speaker 2: did not need regular people's million dollars. And what does
Speaker 2: it say about her or that she needed to be
Speaker 2: paid to come out and wanted to say about you
Speaker 2: that she needed to be paid to come out and
Speaker 2: endorse and back your candidacy.
Speaker 3: Just disgusting.
Speaker 2: It's just such so emblematic of what is deeply wrong
Speaker 2: at the core of this party's ideology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh well we'll continue within that. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the next part because this is honestly the craziest
Speaker 1: one is that it appears that Kamala Harris paid Oprah
Speaker 1: Winfrey a million dollars during the failed campaign. What's even
Speaker 1: crazier is it wasn't just Oprah. It includes people like
Speaker 1: Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Ricky Martin. There was almost ten
Speaker 1: million bucks that were spent behind this, many of which
Speaker 1: actually did go into the pockets of these event management
Speaker 1: companies and the stars. Now here's how naive I am.
Speaker 1: I am a very cynical guy. Can I think everybody
Speaker 1: agree with that, all the people who've been watching for years.
Speaker 1: I genuinely did not know that the labs get paid
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 8: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I listen, they don't believe in the calls. They show up,
Speaker 2: you do a concert. That's what I thought was.
Speaker 1: Going on a billionaire. If I was a billionaire, I
Speaker 1: was Oprah, right, you know, like it's one thing, like, okay,
Speaker 1: you donate money to the campaign, if anything, should be
Speaker 1: the other way you should be given money to the
Speaker 1: campaign because they're like, look, she's something I believe in
Speaker 1: all of this. Oh all you want is my time.
Speaker 1: I'm famous. You want me to come and speak? Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: Yeah I could do that. Honestly, I would do that now,
Speaker 1: you know if I was in a position of where
Speaker 1: there but to shake you down for a million bucks.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And then Katie Perry apparently they also had
Speaker 1: to drop Blinis Morrison. I don't her name. I'm a boomer.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who this is.
Speaker 2: That's an opposite of being a boomer. Okay, I'm old
Speaker 2: enough to remember when she was.
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, So I don't real even know this
Speaker 1: woman is. But whoever she is, they didn't have the
Speaker 1: money to pay, and I was like, wait, why, Like
Speaker 1: why is she getting paid? She should just show up.
Speaker 1: It's like, you don't need to be compensated for your time,
Speaker 1: Like to me, that's crazy. So anyways, I don't know
Speaker 1: how all that is going down, but yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the That was the wildest one.
Speaker 2: There's one more too, that we can put up on
Speaker 2: the screen. They spent half a million dollars a day
Speaker 2: to pay for the like Vegas sphere thing, which is
Speaker 2: who did this persuade?
Speaker 3: Like, really, who did this persuade?
Speaker 2: And I saw someone who said, you know, this is
Speaker 2: the perfect emblem of a campaign that had all the
Speaker 2: money in the world and no ideas. And you know
Speaker 2: that's basically it summed up right there, all the money
Speaker 2: in the world. But just like with Hillary in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: who also want to spend Donald Trump, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you aren't selling something that people don't want to buy.
Speaker 2: And Trump's campaign fundamentally understood the media landscape vastly better
Speaker 2: than the Harris campaign did.
Speaker 1: So obviously that was crazy, that was the fallout, but
Speaker 1: really going back to this before that, we not only
Speaker 1: had to cover so much election stuff from twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four onwards, even though we expected that to be the
Speaker 1: major story, but we came into it obvious with a
Speaker 1: lot of foreign policy news. Israel dominated a lot of
Speaker 1: the foreign policy conversation, especially in the early twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four because it was in the immediate aftermath of October
Speaker 1: seventh and the initial days of the war, so there
Speaker 1: were a lot of takes things that were flying around.
Speaker 1: The debate got wild, It got pretty crazy. Yeah, here,
Speaker 1: not necessarily at the desk, I would say, more in
Speaker 1: the country in terms of how things got to a
Speaker 1: lot of dual loyalties, other things, works boats. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it got interesting, yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure, And both of us made a few attempts
Speaker 2: to branch out from just this, at times ill advised
Speaker 2: attempts to branch out to other shows and podcasts. I
Speaker 2: was on Piers Morgan, had some interesting experiences there, going
Speaker 2: up against some former IDF dude. I also was on
Speaker 2: Remember when I was on with that leady who claimed
Speaker 2: she had her eyes stabbed at.
Speaker 1: A Oh yeah, it was total FAKEO turned out to.
Speaker 2: Be totally fake insanity, And there were a lot of
Speaker 2: cultural figures that reacted, you know, extraordinary ways to the
Speaker 2: event's post October then, obviously this was an incredibly significant
Speaker 2: foreign policy story, story about the nature of humanity and
Speaker 2: our commitments to humanity, story of the world superpower, just
Speaker 2: green lighting unimaginable atrocities. And it also ended up being
Speaker 2: an election story as well, since this became an important
Speaker 2: part of the disaffection with the Democratic Party, with Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris in particular. But in any case, we've pulled a
Speaker 2: few clips of some of the things that you guys
Speaker 2: really responded to from our coverage, talking specifically about some
Speaker 2: of the cultural figures and their reactions. So let's take
Speaker 2: a listen to that, starting with one of those Peers
Speaker 2: Morgan appearances from me, I can listen.
Speaker 14: I believe fundamentally in the right to free democratic protest.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's the bedrock of any free democratic country.
Speaker 14: But I don't believe in violent hate rhetoric. And if
Speaker 14: you're a Jewish student at one of these colleges hearing
Speaker 14: some of these chants, which we're all hearing, it's pretty terrifying.
Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would say.
Speaker 2: First of all, I echo Wajahat and saying I'm glad
Speaker 2: that both of our two co panelists are okay, and
Speaker 2: I certainly support the call for justice for Joseph, and
Speaker 2: I hope his assailant is in fact apprehended and accountability
Speaker 2: is meted out. I think it's disgusting and frankly a
Speaker 2: cheap trick to use some isolated incidents to smear an
Speaker 2: entire protest movement. And I think it's very clear what's
Speaker 2: going on here. You know, a majority of young people
Speaker 2: and a majority of college students, majority of Biden voters
Speaker 2: believe that Israel is committing a genocide and that American
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars are going to assist in that genocide. They're
Speaker 2: outraged by that, and they're protesting.
Speaker 8: And by the way, the.
Speaker 1: Jews and Arabs, you are clearly you must Jews, Am
Speaker 1: I going to be glad to be here?
Speaker 3: Am I going to be allowed to speak here? So
Speaker 3: a majority of.
Speaker 2: Israel is committing a genocide and they are protesting that.
Speaker 3: And by the way, they've won the argument.
Speaker 2: If you look at now, it's sixty forty against sending
Speaker 2: military aid to Israel. It's a majority that disapprove in
Speaker 2: America of Israel's action with regards to the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 2: So it's a chief trick as old as time, use
Speaker 2: a few isolated incidents to try to smear an entire movement,
Speaker 2: which has the benefit number one of attempting to delegitimize
Speaker 2: it and number two of distracting from the continued atrocities
Speaker 2: which are unfolding at the hands of the IDF in
Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip. So this is listen, I condemn anti Semitism,
Speaker 2: I certainly condemn violence, but let's be serious about who
Speaker 2: the villains are right.
Speaker 1: Now, would you agree that hamas of the hang on
Speaker 1: I've asked you question, would you agree? Of course the.
Speaker 2: Terrorists and so is the Israeli government, given the number
Speaker 2: of civilians that they have intentionally targeted and killed, including
Speaker 2: targeting with a complete siege which has triggered a famine. So,
Speaker 2: first of all, intafada means uprising from the river to
Speaker 2: the sea. Somehow, when it's you know, Benjamin Yahoo using
Speaker 2: that phraseology or holding up a map that literally shows Israel.
Speaker 3: From the river to the sea, can you please, dude,
Speaker 3: just for a second, okay, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Israel's assault on Gaza continues endlessly, seemingly no end in sight.
Speaker 2: The U s wimply looks on, makes some meaningless disgruntled
Speaker 2: noises from time to time.
Speaker 3: Some superpower we are.
Speaker 2: The ICJ ordered Israel to stop its genocidal attacks to
Speaker 2: no avail. The icy Sees threatened the rest warrants, while
Speaker 2: they have failed to materialize as of yet, and we
Speaker 2: all wait with baited breath to see if Ron's retaliation
Speaker 2: in response to Israel's provocation will plunge the whole region
Speaker 2: into an even bigger and much more deadly war. It
Speaker 2: often feels like the Israeli state can just act with impunity,
Speaker 2: raining terror down on a trapped population with no one
Speaker 2: and nothing able or willing to stop them. But just
Speaker 2: below the surface, a doom spiral for the Israeli state
Speaker 2: may already have been set into motion, a mounting economic
Speaker 2: calamity that threatens to collapse the state entirely. The BDS movement,
Speaker 2: in their wildest dreams, could never have imagined the economic
Speaker 2: toll that the Israeli state is basically inflicting on itself
Speaker 2: right now as we speak.
Speaker 3: So here are the details.
Speaker 2: Mando Wise compiled what data is available on the Israeli economy,
Speaker 2: and the picture is really quite dire. Quote, over forty
Speaker 2: six thousand businesses have gone bankrupt, tourism has stopped, Israel's
Speaker 2: credit rating was lowered, Israeli bonds are sold at the
Speaker 2: prices of almost junk bond levels, and the foreign investments
Speaker 2: that have already dropped by sixty percent in the first
Speaker 2: quarter of twenty twenty three as a result of the
Speaker 2: policies of Israel's far right government before October seventh, show
Speaker 2: no prospects of recovery. The majority of the money invested
Speaker 2: in Israeli investment funds was diverted to investments abroad because
Speaker 2: Israelis do not want their own pension funds and insurance funds,
Speaker 2: or their own savings to be tied to the fate
Speaker 2: of the State of Israel. Now, those business closures, they
Speaker 2: may actually just be the beginning. An estimate cited by
Speaker 2: the Times of Israel found that up to sixty thousand
Speaker 2: businesses might close before twenty twenty four is over. This
Speaker 2: is a greater impact than the COVID pandemic shutdown, and
Speaker 2: would only be exacerbated by an expanded war with Hesbolah
Speaker 2: and with Iran, the impacts of which frankly, would be unfathomable.
Speaker 2: Just think about the realities right now though, for the
Speaker 2: Israeli economy, Israeli workers have been called up to participate
Speaker 2: in the Gaza annihilation, under cutting the country's much celebrated
Speaker 2: tech sector. Another key sector, tourism, has completely dried up.
Speaker 2: Construction is at a standstill because the Palace means that
Speaker 2: Israel relies on as keep labour force have been banned
Speaker 2: from coming to work outside of the occupied territories. Israeli
Speaker 2: attempts to import foreign workers as a new source of
Speaker 2: cheap labor have been largely unsuccessful. Turkey has announced a
Speaker 2: ban on exports to Israel, further crippling the construction industry,
Speaker 2: and efforts to import from other nations are hampered by
Speaker 2: the efforts of the Huthis to block shipping into Israeli ports.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty thousand Israelis continue to be internally
Speaker 2: displaced as a result of the tit for tat war
Speaker 2: with HESBLA, and panic is set in as Iran threatens
Speaker 2: a large response to the assassination of Ismaelhania that occurred
Speaker 2: on their soil.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 2: Perhaps the biggest body blow, however, was Intel pulling out
Speaker 2: of a planned twenty five billion dollar investment in the
Speaker 2: state of Israel, an indication that capital is engaged in
Speaker 2: their own self interested bds weighing the ever risking risks,
Speaker 2: ever rising risks of operating in Israel to be greater
Speaker 2: than the benefits. Even more trouble though, could be ahead
Speaker 2: here again Ismando Weiss. Israel's power gred, which has largely
Speaker 2: switched to natural gas, still depends on coal to supply demand.
Speaker 2: The biggest supplier of col to Israel is Columbia, which
Speaker 2: announced that it would suspend cul shipments to Israel as
Speaker 2: long as the genocide was ongoing. After Colombia, the next
Speaker 2: two biggest suppliers are South Africa and Russia. Without reliable
Speaker 2: and continuous electricity, Israel will no longer be able to
Speaker 2: pretend to be a developed economy. So while the US
Speaker 2: will apparently never cut Israel off of literally anything, including
Speaker 2: the two thousand pound bombs that they used to drop
Speaker 2: on schools where displaced children are sheltering, the rest of
Speaker 2: the world apparently not so keen to continue doing business
Speaker 2: with this terrorist regime. There's another dynamic that's a little
Speaker 2: harder to quantify here, though it came up in our
Speaker 2: recent interview with an Israeli Zionist analyst, Isiel ben Ephraim,
Speaker 2: who we brought in to discuss the right wing riots
Speaker 2: that broke down in Israel to protect the right of
Speaker 2: Israeli soldiers to rape and torture Palestinian detainees. I asked
Speaker 2: Iel what this trend meant for the future of Israel
Speaker 2: if they continued to drift towards lawlessness and a state
Speaker 2: governed overtly by Jewish supremacy. I was frankly a little
Speaker 2: bit shocked by his response.
Speaker 12: I think there's going to be a lot of people
Speaker 12: in Israel who, if this continues to be the kind
Speaker 12: of government that they have in the long term, will
Speaker 12: leave and those will be the most productive members of society.
Speaker 12: Those will be the high tech leaders, those will be
Speaker 12: the professors, those will be the literati, and so on
Speaker 12: and so forth, which is something that I think the
Speaker 12: extreme right and Israel wants because that will help them
Speaker 12: run the country better. And there's an attempt to dismantle
Speaker 12: the Israeli judicial system because that's the one check in
Speaker 12: balance the Israeli system has against this kind of power.
Speaker 12: So right now, Israel, similar to a lot of other
Speaker 12: countries in the West, the United States as an example,
Speaker 12: is having a battle for its soul. And I think
Speaker 12: if the liberal democratic forces in Israel lose, Israel will
Speaker 12: be lost. It's not going to be able to survive
Speaker 12: if it doesn't have allies in the world, and it's
Speaker 12: going to be sanctioned by everyone, treated like a pariah state.
Speaker 12: That liberal part of the country is what kept Israel's
Speaker 12: part of the international community, and what kept it allied
Speaker 12: with the United States, and what kept it as a
Speaker 12: big trade partner for the EU, and if Israel loses that,
Speaker 12: it's not going to be able to survive. The extreme
Speaker 12: right fringe and the fundamentalists aren't going to be able
Speaker 12: to support the Israeli economy, aren't going to be able
Speaker 12: to support as very society, not in the long term.
Speaker 12: Many don't serve in the army. It's a disaster for
Speaker 12: Israel if these people take over, and this is a
Speaker 12: step towards taking over, like make no mistake, they're hindering
Speaker 12: the functioning of the state. If they completely take over,
Speaker 12: the State of Israel will not exist in the long term.
Speaker 12: And I don't think I think that's quite a possible outcome.
Speaker 2: So Chayelle alludes there to the fact that the most
Speaker 2: conservative ultra orthodox members of Israeli society are increasingly represented
Speaker 2: in terms of governing ideology, but don't actually contribute too
Speaker 2: much to society. They tend to have large families, rely
Speaker 2: on government welfare, and receive a religious exemption from military service.
Speaker 2: The number supporting this dynamic, we're already getting kind of dicey,
Speaker 2: because this group has much higher birth rates than more
Speaker 2: secular Israeli Jews. If you see a significant brain drain
Speaker 2: due to unending war and overt fascism. According to Shaiel Quote,
Speaker 2: the state of Israel will not exist in the long term.
Speaker 2: Bolstering this point, Mondo West quoted and Israeli economists professor
Speaker 2: Dan Ben Davide as saying that the Israeli economy is
Speaker 2: held together by three hundred thousand people, the senior staff
Speaker 2: and universities, tech companies, and hospitals. Once a significant portion
Speaker 2: of those people leaves, he says, we won't become a
Speaker 2: third world country.
Speaker 3: We just won't be anymore.
Speaker 2: Has this exodus already begun difficult to say, and frankly,
Speaker 2: some of the.
Speaker 3: Data is really conflicting.
Speaker 2: But according to the Times of Israel, Israelis have already
Speaker 2: begun leaving the country prior to October seventh due to
Speaker 2: the net Nyahu government's extremism and attacks on the judiciary,
Speaker 2: which had led to a large protest movement for more
Speaker 2: secular elements of society. That outflow accelerated after October seventh,
Speaker 2: leading to about forty two thousand permanent departures from November
Speaker 2: through March of twenty twenty four. Can only imagine what
Speaker 2: an all out worth Husbland and or Iran could do
Speaker 2: to those numbers in a country where a significant minority
Speaker 2: of the population hold multiple passports. By enabling the worst
Speaker 2: of Israeli atrocities and excesses, self proclaimed Zionist Joe Biden
Speaker 2: may have unintentionally helped to galvanize a force that could
Speaker 2: actually destroy the Israeli state. We may be watching in
Speaker 2: real time as Israel collapses under the weight of its
Speaker 2: own internal divides, capitals, aversion to risk, and the world's
Speaker 2: revulsion to apartheid and genocide.
Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, there's been some extraordinary news that has gone
Speaker 1: ahead and happened tonight. The Islamic Republic of Iran has
Speaker 1: launched retaliatory air strikes on Israel. As we speak, literally
Speaker 1: right now, Shahid style drones. Hundreds are raining down upon Israel,
Speaker 1: being intercepted at least some by air raids. There has
Speaker 1: been sirens all across air defense systems are firing. We
Speaker 1: have some video that I'm going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: play for everybody right now, and I'll continue to talk
Speaker 1: over it. So what you guys can see in front
Speaker 1: of you, this is video that has been put out
Speaker 1: by the Israeli media and as well as the Israeli government,
Speaker 1: so we feel comfortable sharing it with you. At the
Speaker 1: very least, what we could say is they claim that
Speaker 1: this is what is happening above their skies. This has
Speaker 1: now come this extraordinary moment after a dizzying last few hours.
Speaker 1: Some indications happened earlier today. President Biden was at his
Speaker 1: vacation house in Rehobd Beach in Delaware. He flew back
Speaker 1: for an emergency meeting of his National Security Council. Almost
Speaker 1: immediately after he returned to the White House, the news
Speaker 1: became official and they put out a statement. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go ahead and share that statement with all of
Speaker 1: you right now. Here's what we had and this is
Speaker 1: what's given to us. A few hours ago from the
Speaker 1: White House, they say Iran has begun an airborne attack
Speaker 1: against Israel. President Biden is being regularly updated on the situation.
Speaker 1: Here's the key line. President Biden has been clear. Our
Speaker 1: support for Israel's security is ironclad. The United States will
Speaker 1: stand with the people of Israel and will support their
Speaker 1: defense against these threats from Iran. What is very also
Speaker 1: important that everybody takes into mind here is this that
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and show everyone the United
Speaker 1: States actually is engaging in shooting down some of these
Speaker 1: drones over either Iraqi or Syrian or Jordanian airspace. Here
Speaker 1: is the key message, just from a US defense official.
Speaker 1: In accordance with our Ironcloud commitment to israel security, US
Speaker 1: forces in the region continue to shoot down Iranian launch
Speaker 1: drones targeting Israel. Our forces remain postured to provide additional
Speaker 1: defensive support and to protect US forces operating in the region.
Speaker 1: So there you have it. The United States is now
Speaker 1: officially engaged on Israel's behalf shooting down these drones. Not
Speaker 1: the first time, remember that we fired against who the
Speaker 1: ballistic missiles which are headed towards Israel, but extraordinary nonetheless,
Speaker 1: because the US has now officially entered this war in
Speaker 1: terms of Israel's defense, the big question is what is
Speaker 1: going to happen next. Now, what is very important for
Speaker 1: everybody to know is that this message that came out
Speaker 1: from the Iranians, that actually happened after the strikes became official.
Speaker 1: So I have it here in front of me. This
Speaker 1: is from the Permanent Mission of Iran to the United Nations.
Speaker 1: Here's what they say. Iran's military action was in response
Speaker 1: to the Zionist regimes aggression against our diplomatic premisses in Damascus.
Speaker 1: This matter can now deemed concluded. Let's spend some time
Speaker 1: on that. That's very important. The matter can now be
Speaker 1: deemed concluded. However, should the Israeli regime make another mistake,
Speaker 1: Iran's response will be considerably more severe. It is a
Speaker 1: conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime from which
Speaker 1: the US must stay away. So let's pay very close
Speaker 1: attention to that. The Iranians are saying, this is our
Speaker 1: response to you bombing our embassy in Damascus, where an
Speaker 1: IRGC commander was killed. They're making clear America stay out
Speaker 1: of this now. Already that line has been crossed. But
Speaker 1: what they're saying is if we ended here, then that's it.
Speaker 1: But we are now receiving news that is actually coming
Speaker 1: out of Israel. Keep in mind that it is the
Speaker 1: middle of the night over here, but I'm sharing here
Speaker 1: a senior is Really official. This is from Israeli media.
Speaker 1: They are saying from a senior Israel official pledging an
Speaker 1: unprecedented response to Iran's attack and urges Israelis not to
Speaker 1: go to bed due to what is coming Iran's way.
Speaker 1: So this is a very very dangerous moment for the
Speaker 1: world everybody. I mean, just to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of analysis here, the Iranian response clearly was calibrated to
Speaker 1: give a ton of heads up to the US and
Speaker 1: to Israel. It took hours for those drones to fly.
Speaker 1: They could have used cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and much
Speaker 1: more destructive technology. This is a show of force on
Speaker 1: their behalf. But also it was calibrated as they put
Speaker 1: in their message, and it was one where they knew
Speaker 1: that the vast majority of the drones would be intercepted
Speaker 1: by their air defense systems. This wasn't really calibrated to
Speaker 1: be like a major and a stunning attack. They had
Speaker 1: a ton of heads up. Question now right doesn't end here?
Speaker 1: Or now are we on the escalation ladder? The United
Speaker 1: States military is now involved in this. We are shooting
Speaker 1: down drones on Israel's behalf. The Israeli military, Now are
Speaker 1: they going to engage militarily directly against Iran? This is
Speaker 1: would be unprecedented in terms of what is happening, and
Speaker 1: I deeply fear that this is the exact nightmare scenario
Speaker 1: that we've all been waiting for since October seventh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been exactly almost six months now since the conflict.
Speaker 1: But really what we all saw when Israel struck that
Speaker 1: embassy in Damascus is that entered a new kind of
Speaker 1: phase of the conflict, and it entered a big decision
Speaker 1: matrix that we talked about with doctor Tree de Parsi
Speaker 1: on the show, and I know that Krystal and Emily
Speaker 1: talked about this as well. What is Iran's response going
Speaker 1: to be? Nobody knew and now we do know. And
Speaker 1: now the question is is how is the West going
Speaker 1: to respond to this? How is the US going to
Speaker 1: respond to this? How is Israel going to respond to this?
Speaker 1: If Israel responds with overwhelming force and they directly Reich
Speaker 1: targets in Iran, Tehran, for example, well it is almost
Speaker 1: certain now at this point that the United States would
Speaker 1: be involved in this, given the fact that we literally
Speaker 1: shot down some of these drones and the military is
Speaker 1: now engaged here. The big question, and this is where
Speaker 1: my heart goes out to every US service member family
Speaker 1: and serving in the Middle East right now, is that
Speaker 1: we have tens of thousands of service members who are
Speaker 1: all across the Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, as we
Speaker 1: all found out when three of our service members were
Speaker 1: killed bah Rain. We have the US Navy, the fifth
Speaker 1: Fleet warships have been flooding into the Persian Gulf apparently
Speaker 1: over the last twenty four to forty eight hours. What's
Speaker 1: even more extraordinaries that the US Military Central Command commander
Speaker 1: was on the ground in Israel when the news broke
Speaker 1: that the Iranian drones were coming. Apparently the general has departed.
Speaker 1: But just to give you an idea of how deeply
Speaker 1: involved the US military is here in the response.
Speaker 2: Let's transition into what mister Rogan is thinking about this conflict,
Speaker 2: because you know, to the point of whether the views
Speaker 2: of these college students are extreme or mainstream. At this point,
Speaker 2: when you have a majority of Joe Biden motor saying
Speaker 2: this is a genocide, when you have the International Criminal
Speaker 2: Court of Justice saying that's plausible, when you have a
Speaker 2: new UN report saying there's reasonable grounds to believe, and
Speaker 2: now you can add, oh, you have Alex Jones saying
Speaker 2: it's a genist I believe. Candie Owens has said similar things.
Speaker 2: AOC has now come out and said the same. You
Speaker 2: can add to that growing list of voices Joe Rogan,
Speaker 2: who made some very interesting comments on his podcast Let's
Speaker 2: take a listen.
Speaker 16: Even in the right, Like look what's going on with
Speaker 16: Candae Owans and Ben Shapiro, Like what did she say?
Speaker 16: I want to know what she was fired for?
Speaker 5: Because was it.
Speaker 16: Criticism of Israel?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 16: I mean, did she show that Edward Snowden video that
Speaker 16: he put up on Twitter that shows them maybe Drome
Speaker 16: bombing those kids? That are those men, I should say,
Speaker 16: unarmed people that were walking towards the rubble that clearly
Speaker 16: weren't causing any danger to anybody. Yeah, just bombed them.
Speaker 1: It's your duty.
Speaker 5: It's just like for Biden or whoever you like, you
Speaker 5: is supposed to cover up for them because you things.
Speaker 16: Like they're always saying they're only targeting Hamas and everybody
Speaker 16: else is a casualty. Well, if those guys are just
Speaker 16: unarmed civilians and they're walking alone, that's what they appear
Speaker 16: to be, Dresden, and you just blast them from the
Speaker 16: sky with robots.
Speaker 3: This is the tragedy of war.
Speaker 16: Yeah, this is insane and no one knows what to
Speaker 16: think now because if you can't talk about that. If
Speaker 16: you can't say that's real, then you're saying that genocide
Speaker 16: is okay as long as we're doing.
Speaker 5: It, and that is what we're saying.
Speaker 16: And if you're saying that from a perspective of someone
Speaker 16: who literally went through the Holocaust or your your people,
Speaker 16: your tribe went through the fucking Holocaust, and now you're willing.
Speaker 3: To do it, I hope the irony is not lost
Speaker 3: on you.
Speaker 5: It's so nuts.
Speaker 16: It's so hard to imagine that someone where a culture,
Speaker 16: like a country was like officially founded in what forty seven,
Speaker 16: forty eight, forty eight, okay, officially founded, So that's so recent.
Speaker 16: You guys are willing to do what was done to
Speaker 16: you that led you to believe that you need to
Speaker 16: start your own country. You will only do that, at
Speaker 16: least in a small scale in Gaza, like there's nothing left.
Speaker 16: If you see the videos, let's let's see some recent
Speaker 16: footage of Gaza.
Speaker 2: So some really pointed the Atlantic would say those comments
Speaker 2: were extremist.
Speaker 8: Greg greg Abbot would say anti Semitic.
Speaker 2: There you got many and apparently Matt Miller would as
Speaker 2: well talk about that also in my in my monologue,
Speaker 2: But I mean he really he really goes in apparently
Speaker 2: that video that Al Jazeera obtained, the drone footage of
Speaker 2: them striking and killing these four unarmed civilians who are
Speaker 2: just walking along in con Unis.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's horrible to watch.
Speaker 2: We played just a little bit of it, but if
Speaker 2: you do watch the whole thing, you know, you see
Speaker 2: the initial drone strike, You see one of them at
Speaker 2: least like crawling after being hit initially wounded and then
Speaker 2: hit again, and all of them killed. And you know,
Speaker 2: you can't butt hamas that, you can't oh human shield
Speaker 2: that it's just so naked. And I think one of
Speaker 2: the things that people have reacted to so strongly because
Speaker 2: I've been trying to wrap my head emily around why
Speaker 2: this video. This seems to have been the thing for
Speaker 2: Alex Jones, that's what he quote tweeted. It seems to
Speaker 2: have been, you know, the thing for Joe Rogan, and
Speaker 2: just judging by the tenor of the commentary and the
Speaker 2: SHIV know AOC then comes out shortly thereafter, I also
Speaker 2: calls it a genocide. I've been trying to wrap my
Speaker 2: head around what it was about this video because we've
Speaker 2: seen so many horrors play out in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2: And I think it's the fact that all the typical
Speaker 2: justifications are null. You can't, like I said, you can't
Speaker 2: butt hamas it. You can't there's a tunnel there, you can't.
Speaker 2: You know, it's anti semitic to say this. All the
Speaker 2: normal justifications are they're not human shields are kind of
Speaker 2: null and void. And then there's something so nightmarish and terrifying.
Speaker 2: Alex Jone's called a robotic mass genocideally about the fact
Speaker 2: that they're walking along totally unawares and then ont of
Speaker 2: the sky.
Speaker 3: Boom, it's over. And also the David and Goliath nature
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're unarmed, they have nothing right and everything
Speaker 2: around them in the video too, is complete rubble. As
Speaker 2: Rogan is saying, right, they look at gods, there's nothing
Speaker 2: left his guests. It's like Dressden. They're completely unarmed, they're
Speaker 2: completely vulnerable. And meanwhile, Israel has this, you know, incredibly
Speaker 2: high tech killing technology, and that's what they're up against.
Speaker 2: And there's something about that video that marked a real
Speaker 2: turning point for the way a lot of people were
Speaker 2: viewing this conflict.
Speaker 7: So Action's apparently has also been calling Rabbi Schmooley, the
Speaker 7: butt plug Rabbi.
Speaker 3: They had a debate. He did, yes, he did?
Speaker 8: Okay, good, interesting enough.
Speaker 7: Well, the Rogan clip to me is fascinating because he
Speaker 7: goes back and says, listen, this is really recent history,
Speaker 7: like the Holocaust is really recent history. The living memory
Speaker 7: of many people and the founding of modern Israel comes
Speaker 7: in nineteen forty eight. And what also happens there is
Speaker 7: and Brandon I talked about this a little bit yesterday,
Speaker 7: but the new definitions or the formal international agreement on
Speaker 7: what the definition of genocide is, because basically, the UN
Speaker 7: comes together after World War Two and says we need
Speaker 7: to prevent Dresden, we need to prevent the Holocaust.
Speaker 8: We need to you know, all of that.
Speaker 7: And that Levy memory is also why you know, you
Speaker 7: see net Yahoo and other leaders in Israel, and even
Speaker 7: by the way, some well intentioned liberal Israelis feel the
Speaker 7: need to turn Gaza into a quote, parking lot, because
Speaker 7: those threats remain so ingrained in the minds. And that's
Speaker 7: what Rogan is reacting to and saying it's strange. It's
Speaker 7: a strange like dissonance between you know, saying we want
Speaker 7: to prevent another cost and then seeing the destruction of
Speaker 7: Gaza and calling for the destruction of Gaza, calling for
Speaker 7: it in the name of stopping another holocaust be turned
Speaker 7: into a parking lot. And I understand, you know why,
Speaker 7: that's why that hits home with people like Joe Rogan.
Speaker 7: I completely understand the perspective of being grossed out by
Speaker 7: the drone attacks and the sort of like it is.
Speaker 8: This is a different kind like since we have since
Speaker 8: World War Two.
Speaker 7: This is a new kind of conflict, and I don't
Speaker 7: think the net and yahoos and the Joe Biden's of
Speaker 7: the world were prepared for how the public was going
Speaker 7: to react to it. It's similar to other conflicts like
Speaker 7: high like urban warfare, but Syria other places, but it's
Speaker 7: it's different, It's completely different. And I think they underestimated
Speaker 7: where the public would be when watching this, because I mean,
Speaker 7: it's just.
Speaker 8: These videos are tough. Let's move on to.
Speaker 7: Bill Burr, who was on Club Random with Bill Maher
Speaker 7: and they obviously why not, got into a conversation about
Speaker 7: the pro Palestinian demonstrations on campuses around the country. Lest
Speaker 7: you think we weren't watching, Aaron Rodgers on Joe rogan
Speaker 7: Or on Tucker Carlson Show yesterday, he did weigh in
Speaker 7: on the Cuba policy of Alan Dulls inaccurately. By the way,
Speaker 7: there was a historic first, I think the first former
Speaker 7: Green Bay Packers quarterback.
Speaker 8: To go after Alan Dulles. Triumph for him.
Speaker 7: So the podcast universe is thriving, and Bill Burr is
Speaker 7: a part of that wonderful ecosystem and Bill Maher.
Speaker 8: This went pretty viral. I think got kind of owned
Speaker 8: by Bill Burr. Here, let's take a watch.
Speaker 5: You don't realize that college campus is erupted with the
Speaker 5: kids demonstrating for hamas they are in with the terrorists
Speaker 5: they were for the Palestinians. Well it's sort of the
Speaker 5: same cause.
Speaker 12: Why are you.
Speaker 5: I'm on the side of the kids. Yeah, that's easy
Speaker 5: to say, you know, no one wants to see kids dead. Uh,
Speaker 5: this is a war. Very brave of you to say
Speaker 5: this is a this is a ward. No, I'm the
Speaker 5: one who's actually brave on this.
Speaker 1: Uh, it'sht yourself on the back.
Speaker 5: Easy to say I'm for the kids. Who's not for
Speaker 5: the kids. Well, it comes down to real hard nosed decisions.
Speaker 1: Like a country.
Speaker 5: I'm talking like, you're a general country got attacked. Israel
Speaker 5: got attacked.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they didn't have a right to
Speaker 1: go back.
Speaker 5: I'm just sitting there going like, how do I look
Speaker 5: at well, the only country in the world that they
Speaker 5: get attacked and then as soon as they counterattack, it's like, well,
Speaker 5: we got to stop this ship. Now, don't attack them.
Speaker 5: It's a very simple solution to all this problem in
Speaker 5: the Middle East. Stop attacking Israel.
Speaker 15: You stop attacking Israel, which I actually think that's fantastic. Anyway,
Speaker 15: all right, we don't need to get Let's let's go
Speaker 15: to Russia and the Ukraine.
Speaker 5: How do you solve that one? Bill?
Speaker 15: Let me hear you're hard knows decision about that. Well,
Speaker 15: let me ask you a question, how is war still legal?
Speaker 15: All the ship that's been canceled legal? Why is that
Speaker 15: still legal?
Speaker 5: Would you like a real answer to that? Because for
Speaker 5: something to be illegal, you have to have the capacity
Speaker 5: to enforce it, and you can't enforce against war or
Speaker 5: else you have to go to war with the country
Speaker 5: that's going to war, and we don't want to go
Speaker 5: to war with Russia over Ukraine. What would be the
Speaker 5: sense of making it illegal? That's really going to stop Putin. No,
Speaker 5: to stop people from going to war, you have to
Speaker 5: also put sit down and talk it out.
Speaker 15: Why can't Putin do a podcast with the head guy
Speaker 15: like you just solve the Middle East on a podcast.
Speaker 15: Why can't they solve what they're doing on a podcast?
Speaker 5: Why this is not yours? Makes some hard nic your thing?
Speaker 1: It's what you isn't It.
Speaker 15: Isn't You're like that guy that has a fantasy football
Speaker 15: team and thinks he's a fucking GM.
Speaker 5: No, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: Like, Why am I fucking sing to you like like
Speaker 1: you've done something? What have you done in Washington?
Speaker 5: Nothing?
Speaker 4: That is a great point. Bill mar said, this is
Speaker 4: my thing, that's your thing? Just getting highe like mouthing off.
Speaker 8: I was usaying, yes, which is really your thing.
Speaker 1: But it would be like me saying that I'm some
Speaker 1: expert on this. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I mean, you you regularly have covered that, you've been there,
Speaker 7: You've interviewed people.
Speaker 1: It qualifies.
Speaker 7: But I feel like Bill Maher here really has celebrity
Speaker 7: syndrome where he doesn't realize how poorly he's coming across.
Speaker 7: When he's sort of like in this very patronizing way,
Speaker 7: like verbally patting Bill Burr on the head and saying, this.
Speaker 1: Is I got this.
Speaker 8: Don't worry about it. My thing.
Speaker 7: Your opinion counts as less because.
Speaker 8: I'm a talk show host.
Speaker 4: There was an interesting window into his in Bill Maher's
Speaker 4: mind for a moment there where Bill Burr says, I'm
Speaker 4: with the kids. Bill Maher had just said, the kids
Speaker 4: are some porting you know, amas or whatever, and they're protesting.
Speaker 1: He was Bill Burr was referring to the college kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Bill had just said the kids.
Speaker 4: Bill Maher's mind, in his mind, he thinks he's saying
Speaker 4: that I'm with the kids who are being slaughtered by Israel.
Speaker 8: That's what I Yeah, that's how I interpreted to it.
Speaker 4: Bill Maher's mind went to the kids being slaughtered and
Speaker 4: then said, I'm the courageous one because I'm okay with
Speaker 4: the kids being slaughtered because I understand in a hard
Speaker 4: headed world that there is no other choice than slaughtering
Speaker 4: all these kids.
Speaker 1: Was fascinating and it's really high.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, clearly, but that's a window into like I mean,
Speaker 4: he's high most of the time, so that's that it's
Speaker 4: like a philosophical question about which Bill maher mind exists.
Speaker 4: And I would say, if you're high more than half
Speaker 4: the time, then it's the it's the high one.
Speaker 7: I also found that interesting because he was they were
Speaker 7: in a conversation directly about the kids on college campuses.
Speaker 7: They had both used the word kids in relation to
Speaker 7: the kids on college campuses. And as soon as Bill
Speaker 7: Burr said that, Bill Mahert like the switch flipped and
Speaker 7: he jumped on Bill Burr from oh, you say you're
Speaker 7: with the Palestinian children. But Bill Burr then going back
Speaker 7: and just driving the knife further with that last comment
Speaker 7: about what have you done in Washington?
Speaker 4: Yeah, why am I listening to you? It is a
Speaker 4: very good question, Like why on earth? I mean, because
Speaker 4: it's funny. I guess to watch these two people hopefully,
Speaker 4: but yeah, like him pretending like he has him saying
Speaker 4: like this is my thing and it's not yours.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. As usual, Bill Burr always interesting,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. People always love to see them sound off
Speaker 1: in cultural ways. If we also think to some of
Speaker 1: the crazy domestic stories. You know, a lot of these
Speaker 1: go in and out, But one that has stuck with
Speaker 1: me was this one, the Boeing whistleblower. We actually talked
Speaker 1: about it even on the day that we're filming this,
Speaker 1: because we just covered this story about the open AI
Speaker 1: whistle blower, and you know, you were like, well, do
Speaker 1: you really think they whacked him? And I was like, look,
Speaker 1: if you asked me five years ago, would Boeing whack somebody,
Speaker 1: It's say you're crazy. But nowadays I'm like, well, look
Speaker 1: at the body of evidence, look at where things are
Speaker 1: for you know, in terms of what the stakes are,
Speaker 1: the billions of dollars at stakes and all these other things.
Speaker 1: So my mind is much more open than it used
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: For the lawyers out there going denies all wrongdoing as
Speaker 2: Open AI, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure your speculation on my part it is.
Speaker 2: It is crazy though, because the public basically just generally accepted, like, oh,
Speaker 2: Boeing killed these people, and there were multiple too whistle blowing.
Speaker 1: There were a lot a lot of people who think that.
Speaker 3: There many people think that.
Speaker 2: And again for the lawyers, Boeing dize responsibility, but many
Speaker 2: people believe that, and it's crazy that we live in
Speaker 2: a society where that just happens. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: corporate corporations killing people are convenient, maybe a thing, all right,
Speaker 2: I guess we're going to go on about our business.
Speaker 2: So I do think it was an extraordinary moment, one
Speaker 2: that certainly you all know were quite interested in, quite
Speaker 2: disturbed by. And so here was a little bit of
Speaker 2: our coverage as we were uncovering those details.
Speaker 1: Been wanting to cover this story for quite some time,
Speaker 1: and then some shocking, shocking news broke yesterday. Let's put
Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. A Boeing whistleblower was
Speaker 1: actually found dead here in the United States in what
Speaker 1: is being claimed is an apparent suicide. John Barnett. He
Speaker 1: had previously worked for Boeing for thirty two years. He
Speaker 1: retired in twenty seventeen and since then has spent his
Speaker 1: life being a whistleblower against the Boeing corporation. In fact,
Speaker 1: in the days before his death, he was giving evidence
Speaker 1: in this lawsuit against the company. He was actually found
Speaker 1: dead in Charleston. The real thing that mister Barnett had
Speaker 1: been whistleblowing about is that he previously worked as a
Speaker 1: seven eighty seven Dreamliner quality manager at the North Charge
Speaker 1: Earlston plant, and he had specifically told BBC and other
Speaker 1: outlets that under pressure, workers had been deliberately fitting substandard
Speaker 1: parts to aircraft on the production line, and he also
Speaker 1: said he had uncovered serious problems with their oxygen systems,
Speaker 1: meaning that only one in four breathing mass would not
Speaker 1: work in an emergency. So soon after then starting work
Speaker 1: at that South Carolina company, became very concerned, eventually concerned
Speaker 1: enough to leave and to cooperate with law enforcement, with
Speaker 1: federal whistleblowers. He was an integral part actually of the
Speaker 1: FAS examination back in twenty nineteen of the problems that
Speaker 1: were happening over at Boeing, and was giving testimony in
Speaker 1: their most recent investigation into what the hell happened with
Speaker 1: Alaska Airlines. In the days before his death, he actually
Speaker 1: gave an interview to TMZ with some pretty shocking claims.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 11: One, this is not a seven three seven problem.
Speaker 16: It's a bowling problem.
Speaker 11: And I know thefa's going in and they've done due
Speaker 11: diligence AND's inspections to assure that the door clogs of
Speaker 11: the seventh three seven are installed properly and the fasteners
Speaker 11: of door properly. But my concern is what's the rest
Speaker 11: of the airplane. What's the rest of condition of the airplane?
Speaker 11: And the reason my concern for that is back in
Speaker 11: twenty twelve, Going started removing inspection operations off their jobs,
Speaker 11: so it left the mechanics to buy off their own work.
Speaker 11: So what we're seeing with the door plug blowout is
Speaker 11: what I've seen with the rest of the airplane, as
Speaker 11: far as jobs not being completed properly, inspection of steps
Speaker 11: being removed, issues being ignored. My concerns are with the
Speaker 11: seven three seven and the seven eighty seven because those
Speaker 11: programs have really embraced the theory that quality is overhead
Speaker 11: and non value added.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 12: I'd taken a team of four.
Speaker 11: Inspectors Spirit Aerosystems to inspect the forty one section before
Speaker 11: they sent it to Charleston. We found three hundred defects,
Speaker 11: some of them were significant that needed engineering intervention. When
Speaker 11: I returned to Charleston, my senior manager told me that
Speaker 11: we had found too many defects and he was going
Speaker 11: to take the next trip. So the next trip he
Speaker 11: went on, he took two of my inspectors and when
Speaker 11: they got back they were given accolades for only finding
Speaker 11: fifty defects. So I pulled that inspector aside, and I said,
Speaker 11: did Spirit really clean up their act that quick? That
Speaker 11: don't sound right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they certainly didn't. And in fact, just yesterday, Crystal,
Speaker 1: there was a new report from the FAA that they
Speaker 1: caught Spirit Aero Systems Mechanics using liquid don Dish soap
Speaker 1: as lubricant for that seven thirty seven max door seal
Speaker 1: instead of you know, the properts liberty livert is to use.
Speaker 1: That's how they're cutting costs over there in Boeing, and
Speaker 1: that's why, I mean, there's been a lot of suspicion
Speaker 1: around mister Barnett's debt because you can see he was
Speaker 1: pulling no punches and this isn't This is potentially a
Speaker 1: catastrophic event for Boeing. Boeing is most important aviation company
Speaker 1: in the United States, arguably in all of the West,
Speaker 1: huge military supply contractor, etc. They are now facing a
Speaker 1: Justice Department investigation, criminal investigation, that's right in this matter.
Speaker 1: And you know, Alaska really took every It took the
Speaker 1: whole I think out of everybody's eyes on what's going
Speaker 1: on with this company and how deep the rot really
Speaker 1: goes inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: There's also news this morning that a six week audit
Speaker 2: by the FAA of Boeing's production of the seven thirty
Speaker 2: seven max Jet found dozens of problems throughout the manufacturing process.
Speaker 2: According to a slide presentation that The New York Times
Speaker 2: was able to review, they initiated the examination after that
Speaker 2: door panel flew off. The agency announced the audit had
Speaker 2: found multiple instances in which Boeing and the supplier Spirit
Speaker 2: Aerosystems failed to comply with quality control requirements, including the
Speaker 2: company had failed thirty three of eighty nine audits during
Speaker 2: that examination conducted by the FAA. And just speak to
Speaker 2: the claims that this whistleblower was in the middle of
Speaker 2: making when he was found dead in his vehicle in
Speaker 2: a parking lot, some of these claims had really been
Speaker 2: backed up by evidence, According to the BBC. Boeing of
Speaker 2: course denied all his assertions. We should put that out there.
Speaker 2: But in twenty seventeen they did a review by the
Speaker 2: FAA and it did uphold some of his concerns. It
Speaker 2: established the location of at least fifty three non conforming
Speaker 2: parts in the factory was unknown and were considered lost.
Speaker 3: Boeing was ordered to take remedial action.
Speaker 2: That's relevant because he had said that they were pulling
Speaker 2: parts out of the scrap heap that had been rejected
Speaker 2: as non conforming and using them to save time and
Speaker 2: cut costs, etc. So the fact that these non conforming
Speaker 2: parts were missing were indicative of his story being accurate.
Speaker 2: On the oxygen cylinders issue, the company said in twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen it had identified some oxygen bottles received from the
Speaker 2: supplier that were not deployed properly, but denied that any
Speaker 2: of them were actually fitted on the aircraft. Of course,
Speaker 2: he had indicated that as many as one in four
Speaker 2: oxygen masks were unlikely to deploy because they were defective
Speaker 2: upon testing. So yeah, the fact that he was in
Speaker 2: the middle of making these complaints, making his voice heard,
Speaker 2: and is found dead is.
Speaker 3: Extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really suspicious. And again, let's put this up there.
Speaker 1: This is just days after that. The US Justice Department
Speaker 1: is now opening a criminal inquiry into Boeing. This is
Speaker 1: tied to the Alaska Airlines incident specifically. Boeing also said
Speaker 1: told a Senate panel it cannot find record of the
Speaker 1: work done on the Alaska plane. Really interesting, can't find
Speaker 1: any record, and I just want to take it back
Speaker 1: to all of the I want to take it back
Speaker 1: to the rot of this company because spirit Aero Systems
Speaker 1: used to be a part of Boeing and it was
Speaker 1: sold off by Boeing in the pursuit of shareholderism and
Speaker 1: of profit. So now what's happening now as they understand
Speaker 1: that they're in deep shit. Boeing is now trying to
Speaker 1: rebuy spirit Ero Systems and they're in a major crisis
Speaker 1: of the company because they're facing a Justice Department investigation.
Speaker 1: And I mean, the craziest part of all of this
Speaker 1: is that not even a few years ago, they were
Speaker 1: found liable and nearly faced a murder prosecution for killing
Speaker 1: somewhat several hundred people in a faulty software update. All
Speaker 1: of the fixes we're supposed to have been put in
Speaker 1: place on a new CEO, new corporate practices. But this
Speaker 1: tells you, like, it's not the new CEO problem, it's
Speaker 1: that the company doesn't know how to build an airplane anymore.
Speaker 1: And that can't get over it because this is the
Speaker 1: backbone of US manufacturing, high tech manufacturing specifically, it's one
Speaker 1: of the pride and joys of the US economy and
Speaker 1: as usual you know, over the last seventy seventy or
Speaker 1: forty thirty forty years now, so it's the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: It turns out that it's all just a financial fakery.
Speaker 1: They hired Nikki Haley on the board, buying back to
Speaker 1: pretends of billions of dollars worth of their own stock.
Speaker 1: The stock is doing great, you know before this, even
Speaker 1: after the you know, crazy incident, that's all they cared about.
Speaker 1: They never cared about this. And then it all just
Speaker 1: comes to head when a freaking door plug blows out
Speaker 1: of the middle of the airplane. Lucky that it didn't
Speaker 1: happen when they were cruising altitude and several people wouldn't
Speaker 1: bit sucked out and killed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are two major societal route cause
Speaker 2: trends that led to these terrifying, horrifying and in certain instances,
Speaker 2: deadly mistakes. Number one is, as you're discussing the financialization
Speaker 2: of Boeing, which is something we see across companies, what
Speaker 2: does that mean. It means rather than caring about having
Speaker 2: the best engineers and the best product and making sure
Speaker 2: Dan well sure that it is safe and ready to go,
Speaker 2: Instead they were more focused on catering to the giant
Speaker 2: casino that is Wall Street. So and that is not
Speaker 2: specific to Boeing, but obviously in the instance of Boeing,
Speaker 2: the results are absolutely horrifying. Number two is a widespread
Speaker 2: trend across democratic and Republican administrations in the neoliberal era
Speaker 2: of defanging regulatory bodies and handing off some of their
Speaker 2: key functions to industry itself. So over successive administrations, including
Speaker 2: some very recent deregulation under the Trump administration, the FAA
Speaker 2: has basically handed off a lot of its key functions
Speaker 2: to relying on companies like Boeing to basically self certify.
Speaker 1: And then finally, there was a lot of talk in
Speaker 1: the selection about brainworms, about people drinking the kool aid,
Speaker 1: about grifts.
Speaker 2: RFK Junior became quite an interesting character, RFK Junior.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, I guess this was a crazy year
Speaker 1: for RFK Junior, right, probably the biggest year for the
Speaker 1: Kennedy family since when is Ted Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 1: So with that, we thought we would end with a
Speaker 1: funny segment, which was the literal brainworm that RFK Junior said.
Speaker 1: It was said to have suffered, and then he then confirmed,
Speaker 1: which we discussed at the time. It is just so
Speaker 1: funny thinking about it retrospect. Let's take a list speaking
Speaker 1: of a wiggling things going around. That was a difficult transition.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to present this without any comment because
Speaker 1: the details are so crazy. To New York Times and
Speaker 1: according to R. K. Junior himself, the presidential candidate Quote
Speaker 1: had previously faced undisclosed health issues, including a parasite that
Speaker 1: he had said eight parts of his brain. So back
Speaker 1: in twenty and ten, while he was undergoing a deposition,
Speaker 1: it revealed that RFK Junior Quote was experiencing memory loss
Speaker 1: and mental fogginess so severe that friends grew concerned that
Speaker 1: he might have a brain tumor. He then consulted many
Speaker 1: of the country's top neurologists who had treated his uncle,
Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy, who discovered and believed that he had a
Speaker 1: dead parasite in his brain literal a dead worm like
Speaker 1: a brainworm. The dead parasite believed to have either been
Speaker 1: contracted through his diet, of which he said, which is
Speaker 1: very heavy in fish, and in tuna, which he said
Speaker 1: was combining with mercury poisoning, and it also just returned
Speaker 1: from a trip to Southeast Asia. But the point is
Speaker 1: that it's a pretty serious, actually health condition that could
Speaker 1: lead to strokes, to seizures and to other things. He
Speaker 1: had said in an interview with The New York Times
Speaker 1: that he eventually did recover from memory loss and fogginess,
Speaker 1: and he has no current after effects of the parasite,
Speaker 1: which he said had not required treatment. Nonetheless, it has
Speaker 1: not stopped both his opponents and many others for making
Speaker 1: brainworm jokes. So what do you make of this, crystal
Speaker 1: before we get to the actual news. It's just a
Speaker 1: crazy situation. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The context of this is he was undergoing a deposition.
Speaker 2: He was trying to limit or eliminate the necessity to
Speaker 2: pay alimony. So he was trying to argue, like, I've
Speaker 2: got all these cognitive impairments, mercury poisoning.
Speaker 3: I got this worm in my brain that ate part
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: He says at one point, I have cognitive issues, clearly,
Speaker 2: which is not a quote that you really want out
Speaker 2: there about yourself as a presidential Canada.
Speaker 3: Especially coming out of your mouth.
Speaker 2: When he has gone, he has gone out of his
Speaker 2: way to contrast his you know, he's not a young guy,
Speaker 2: his relative vigor and fitness. There's the whole you know,
Speaker 2: shirtless push ups whatever, lifting weight.
Speaker 1: Working on jeans is the weird one, man, that's the one.
Speaker 3: I just that's that's a strange time.
Speaker 1: I'm all about getting jacked, I'm all about that, but
Speaker 1: working out in jeans is just weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's been a part of you know, what he's
Speaker 2: put forward. And he's clearly like talked a lot about
Speaker 2: health in his campaign and offering himself as you know,
Speaker 2: picture of what this healthy lifestyle could be. So it
Speaker 2: does cut against that those claims when you have this
Speaker 2: on the record, him talking about this brain that ate
Speaker 2: a portion of his his worm that ate a push.
Speaker 3: Of his brain.
Speaker 2: As the times cognitive issues and mercury poisoning, etcetera. Again
Speaker 2: he says he's covered and wait, listen, we spoke with him.
Speaker 1: See fine, you know, I don't think cognition is his problem.
Speaker 3: I'll say that that's that would be my assessment as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, Junior tweets after the news, I offer to eat
Speaker 1: five more brain worms and still beat Present and Biden
Speaker 1: and President Trump and Biden in a debate. I feel
Speaker 1: confident of the result even with a six worm handicap.
Speaker 1: New York Times also accurately pointing out that neither of them,
Speaker 1: Biden nor Trump, have released their medical records and that
Speaker 1: we don't know very much about their cognition practices either,
Speaker 1: which I think is a very very point. Indeed, there
Speaker 1: was also an interview we wanted to add some medical half,
Speaker 1: so doctor Sanjay Gooped at CNN explain some of the
Speaker 1: background on medically how this is even possible. Here's what
Speaker 1: we had to say.
Speaker 17: This does happen. I mean, obviously we're just hearing about
Speaker 17: it from RFK himself, but I can tell you as
Speaker 17: an eurosurgeon, this is a rare condition. But it's typically
Speaker 17: something that is caused by eating undercooked pork. And again
Speaker 17: we don't know this for sure, but just based on
Speaker 17: the description that we're hearing, sounds very much like this,
Speaker 17: where you eat under cooked pork and the larvae get
Speaker 17: into your bloodstream and then basically can spread throughout the
Speaker 17: body and the blood stream they can go to all
Speaker 17: sorts of different organs, including the brain. Jim, so again
Speaker 17: it's unusual. Let me show you an image here. This
Speaker 17: is what it might look like in someone's brain. When
Speaker 17: you do an MRI scan, you might see these areas
Speaker 17: and you can see them in purple there, Jim, where
Speaker 17: they basically look like little cysts essentially in the brain,
Speaker 17: and that is the porkworm larvae that gets in there.
Speaker 17: Sometimes it just a sort of sitting there, doesn't cause
Speaker 17: any kind of problems. Sometimes it can cause other symptoms
Speaker 17: like headaches or even seizures. And again we don't know
Speaker 17: specifically what happened with him or if this is actually it,
Speaker 17: but this does happen a few thousand times a year.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 17: Imagine that image that I just showed you, and you
Speaker 17: could have these tiny little spots typically on top of
Speaker 17: the brain or closer to the surface of the brain,
Speaker 17: and you basically go in and similar to a tumor
Speaker 17: in a way, you would go in and basically just
Speaker 17: remove that cyst. They're not usually associated with memory loss,
Speaker 17: because I think that's what took RFK to the doctors
Speaker 17: in the first place. Relize and generalize brain fogginess. Typically
Speaker 17: it's more associated with, if any, symptoms, headaches and seizures
Speaker 17: and things like that.
Speaker 1: So that's it.
Speaker 14: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Guys so much. We love you, Happy holidays, enjoy your
Speaker 1: time with you their families, and we'll see you all soon.
Speaker 2: Absolutely thank you for spending your year with us, and
Speaker 2: we were looking forward to many good things in the
Speaker 2: new year, so we'll see you soon