WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Some Serious Competition 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:19.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.799 raining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:29.400 Star in Friscotowing to the goal line saw let's got 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:36.159 Piza and now your hosts, Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:42.920 Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's for one final time prior 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:47.160 to training camp. We are alive from the Star in Frisco. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.680 It's Talking Cowboys, presented by Geico and a rainy Frisco. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.080 I guess afternoon. Now, normally we start this show in 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.280 the morning, but we are just a tad bit behind 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.760 here on this Monday, but not behind on Cowboys News. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.800 We've got plenty to catch up on here from inside 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.080 the SWBC Mortgage Studios, Kyle Yeoman's, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.960 Back and heck Ma Harrison. Gentlemen, it's one final time 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.760 before training camp. It's crazy that we're all ready to this. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:16.640 Come on, Kyle, this is our last time. I mean, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.320 you're just kind of like walking us into the weather. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.760 Getting is the weather getting to you is a smooth 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.720 dr and B what's going on? I thought that was 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:30.240 a pretty hype open. That was good. No, no, come on, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.800 it was sad. It was good. It was good. Thank you. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.000 I'm just sad that you guys are leaving and we 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.160 just got back in studio and now we got to 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.160 wait again, and it's just a whole thing. Now we're 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.280 gonna catch up here over the next hour and kind 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.000 of look at OTAs. We're gonna answer some Twitter questions 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.000 and mail back Monday, and then we're also going to 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.440 preview some training camp superlatives. Let's just say that so 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.320 far in the final segment. But gentlemen, I do want 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.920 to catch up on OTAs. We got a chance to 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.680 watch practice last Thursday, which was a ton of fun. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.680 And we've had content throughout the week on Dallas Cowboys 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.519 dot Com showcasing the practices and wanted to get some notes. Heck, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.680 but you had another great article. We'll let you start 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.440 anything that's stuck out to you. In terms of OTA's 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.120 last week, we got some competition battles brewing, that's for sure. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.040 Cornerback position, it's going to be a war. Can't wait 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.160 for that. Uh in Oxnard or wherever two of days 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.040 are going to be still had been an official announcement. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.240 I think that is the I know you don't like 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.640 that pe you know, you know, like, well, I just 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.919 want to I just want to know that Sin Spence 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.320 is killing everybody. We've got to know if he can 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.240 pack a bag or not. Yeah, if I'm leaving my 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.040 kid for five weeks, my wife's gonna be mad at me. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.040 I just want to know, are you gonna be on 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.840 the couch now or later? Are you one way or another? 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.560 You want to know. But I just think that, you know, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.680 the cornerback was linebacker as well, line throw lineback in 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.960 There's just a lot of position battles that are brewing, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.760 and we want to see how this offensive line shapes up, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.320 you know, offensive line wise, there's just man a lot ball, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.720 you know, want to see beatish uh and those guys. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.840 But man, literally, our rookies are showing themselves. Those draft 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.360 picks are proving their value. And I can hear Chris 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.680 Beam in my head saying that this is the underwear 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.160 Olympics of the OTA. So don't go too far out 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.000 on the lamb on anybody. But you know, I like 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:24.040 what I see Nation, right, I Honda, He's continuously showing 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.040 that he should have been taken a lot sooner than 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.840 ninety nine. I'm just wow, Isaiah somewhere in that on 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.560 the show. He should be He should have been. So 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.920 it's just one of those things, man with like like 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:44.000 I said, man the battles on defense, but also number 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:49.000 twenty our guy. Man. You know, he is showing that 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:53.720 he is another bona fide weapon at the running back position. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.760 And I know that's kind of one of those things 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.880 like what when you start talking about running back position, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.960 but his bill to you know, be playing multiple roles 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.600 in the offense also as a wide receiver. I think 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.960 Tony Pollard is someone that we have just I don't 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.760 want to say underestimated, but we hadn't seen his value 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.840 be actualized. I thought Dak looked really good last week. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.840 I mean, now there's a couple of plays on the 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.640 ball against him, Lat and Banderesh who by the way, 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.039 it looked really good last week as well. I got 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.919 a pick on him near the sideline. Kind of scared 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.960 all of us with getting the win knocked out of 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.360 him on that play. It was down for a couple 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.240 of minutes, but I thought Dak came back hit some 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.719 really nice throws. I thought he was in rhythm with 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:38.720 his receivers. Semi Fohoko, Isaiah had a nice day two 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.359 weeks ago or last week, a couple catches from Dak, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.800 But I just thought I thought number four looked look comfortable. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.599 There's still limiting what he's doing. There's still no pass 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.360 rush in front of him, but you're starting to see 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.360 the timing with his receivers. I think I think he's 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.880 getting more comfortable back there. Oh that's beautiful to hear 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:00.760 in OTA's and not necessarily during training camp as well, Isaiah, 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.920 as long as your mike is working, Yeah, oh there, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:08.480 it is fantastic. Now, So what did you see from 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.360 practice from an offensive standpoint? I do want to talk 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.760 receivers coming up in a minute, So maybe outside of receivers, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.160 what did you see whenever it came to OTAs Yeah, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.080 I think all my attention really goes to the same 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.960 thing he pointed out, which were the linebacker committee. I 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.440 think assault by committee, and I think the secondary. The secondary. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.720 You know, this is is pretty inspiring to know that 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.720 we have this discussion in terms of who is going 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.680 to be on the roster versus being able to you know, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.160 obviously acknowledge a handful of guys that are going to 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.080 be on a roster. So and now that lets you 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.240 know that competition has stepped up. There's a lot of 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.520 guys select from. I mean, the safety position has been 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.560 totally transformed. I'm looking forward to seeing how that shakes out. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.200 That's not a position that you typically have too much 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.320 interchanging going on throughout the game versus a cornerback position. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.760 There's a lot more rotational aspect to it. So I'm 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.280 looking forward to see who are going to be our 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.480 surest safeties and then their backups. I don't I think 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.680 there's gonna be a handful of guys obviously that are 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.480 gonna be disappointed. They're gonna be some disappointments this year 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.000 in terms of who people think are going to be 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.280 in a roster at that position and who won't be there. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.560 Um and then obviously just at the dB at the 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.200 cornerback position. I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys roll. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.159 I'm looking forward to seeing how they fit in these schemes, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.440 how we match up against opponents going forward. Obviously, uh, 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.839 these preseason games are gonna be huge in terms of 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.320 being able to decide who's going to be on this 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.120 roster and he's looking forward to some competition. Man, it's awesome. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.279 I missed out. I missed the name Zeke Zeke. Man. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.760 Zeke is looking quick, sleek, and I mean he's making 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.080 moves in again it's no contact and just seeing some 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.800 of the things that he's doing just in one on 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.000 one drills and I said something about a move that 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.560 he made on Jalen Smith and they talked about it 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.279 in special teams as well. It's just, man, he looks, 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.159 he looks good. He's looking good. You know that from 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.160 last year. He wants to get those fumbles and the 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.400 things that he had against him last year out that 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.000 bad taste out of his mouth because I believe he 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.919 led the league and fumbles from the running back position, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.880 so I mean six yards away from Eclipse in the thousand. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.880 But at the same time, man, those fumbles, Man, it 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.360 has to be something that's lingering in his mind. Rob. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.040 What did you think about Zeke and what you saw 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.200 from him? What Ecma said? I think Mickey kind of 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.600 nudged me during practice and said, does he look does 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.360 he look more sleek sleek Zeke like you said? And 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.280 I think so. I mean, but you know what I 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.400 said that last year. I thought he looked good last 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.000 year going in the season. It's it's what you said. Heck, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.360 it was those fumbles early on that really frustrated him. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.760 Got the offense in some bad spots and the defense 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.120 really no margin for error defensively last year. So your 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.800 offense isn't helping you. And then you know, let's not 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.360 forget he dealt with some stuff down the stretch last year. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.960 He played through some things where he wasn't healthy. And 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.440 I think, I think he's on a mission this show. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.040 I know Layton said that to us after practice, and 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.480 he's on a mission. I think Zeke Zeke's a competitor. 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.720 I know, I know he got his big contract, but 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.400 I guarantee you he's not happy with the way he 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.280 played last year. And the look the line, twelve different 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.960 line combinations doesn't help you. That doesn't help you either. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.160 I mean, look, I you know, Barry Sanders might have 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:15.920 been able to do it in Detroit for a couple 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.480 of years, you know, during his career, but no matter 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.600 how good a back is, you've got to have some 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.400 continuity upfront. The problem was the fumbles. That was the 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.040 biggest thing. I mean, you can't average one fumble per 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.160 touchdown rushing like he did last year. That can't happen, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.080 I mean, and that's that has nothing to do with 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.920 the offensive line. That has nothing to do with your quarterback. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.760 I think having Dak back into the fray will help 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.160 out a lot. And there was a stat that I 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.360 read this week where Zeke benefit and more with Dak 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.840 Prescott than without Dak Prescott than any other player on 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.040 this roster one hundred and seven yards per game from 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.959 scrimmage with Dak. Without Dak, he was down to seventy six. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.600 So that's almost a complete So dat, oh, yeah with 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.800 with without that, Yeah, you're exactly right. So he's gonna benefit, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.600 and I think he is on that mission that makes 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.280 that makes sense though, right when you're a passer is 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.199 no longer a part of the passing game, you turn 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.160 into a running You turn into a running game. And 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.640 guess what, all eleven guys on defense know exactly where 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.040 the ball has to go in order for these guys 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.760 to get first down. So, I mean, the worst case 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.520 scenario happened to Zeke last year in terms of at 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.160 least him being healthy. If you're a healthy player and 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.679 you're a running back. Everything that happened last year. Your 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.080 quarterback went down, your office, a lineman went down, right, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.959 You're tight end went down. It was the worst thing 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.920 that could have happened for Zeke, worst case scenario. So 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.600 if there was ever a time to say, hey, how 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.800 bad can they get for Zeke, well you already saw it, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.839 so everything else should be up and up for him. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.000 I think when we look back through a season sometimes 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.840 you know we have kind of the narrative, like we 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.160 know the running game wasn't what it was, the offense 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.120 wasn't what it was. If you look a little deeper 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.880 and you look like I want to say, like back 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.720 in November early December, the running Game got on track. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.480 I think they were averaging like one hundred and fifty 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.120 yards a game, and Zach Martin, I want to say, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.960 PFF had him as the highest rated run locker. He 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:05.679 went down whatever game that was, maybe Thanksgiving, and they 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.520 didn't get back on track healthy. Zach Martin means so 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.400 much to the run game. I mean, a pro bowler, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.080 a pro bowler, probe, maybe a future Hall of Famer 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.040 one day, but the yellow jacket on it, I like that. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.440 That's okay. I don't disagree the trajectory he's on right now. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.360 Certainly Golden jacket words. No, absolutely, I mean he's and 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.680 and I always kid my uncle and tell him that 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.880 Zach Martin would have gave him problems. He better be 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.079 glad he played in a different era. And he laughs 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.320 at that. Just remind everybody your own Yeah, come on, man, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.679 I think ye man, No, there are new ers too. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.239 Don't raise my uncle guy. So if you didn't know that, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.800 the great yeah so. But but the other thing about 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.120 Zeke when we talk about him, and I think he's 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.600 the big reveal for the defense, you know, like he is, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.920 which Zeke you getting? Are you getting Hall to top Zeke? 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.880 Are you getting fumble Zeke? You know, Papa balloons, Let's 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.120 get Hall to top Zeke back in the building. I mean, 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.200 And for the defense, him being on track is actually 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.040 going to help these guys. I mean, you look at 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.199 the fumbles that he had last year, where he had 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.720 those fumbles in what position that put the defense in 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.840 You you know football well enough to know when you 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.040 got a running back that's grinding it out, getting those 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.160 first downs for you, extended ball position field, all of 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:19.200 those things in time of possession. That makes the game 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.760 so much easier. And you saw situations where just the 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.560 Cowboys couldn't get any rhythm at all because Zeke couldn't 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.040 get any rhythm. It's a great point. And Tony Pollard too, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.520 when they asked Tony Pollard to be not the change 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.640 up necessarily, but like you know, he hit a shoulder. Yeah, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:35.959 more of a load with ze banged up. He struggled too, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.600 with a large amount of carries. It's just, you know, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.480 it was hard to get things established up front for 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.160 a lot of last season. It goes back to the 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.920 fumbles and then yards per carry. The chunk yardage was 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.120 better for Pollard, but like you said, in terms of 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.840 the grand scheme of things, he struggled, but he held 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.960 on to the football struggles. That's where it really boils 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.679 down to. Now. We've talked about some of these wide 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.320 receivers sticking with the offensive side of the football. We've 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.559 talked about some of the lower wide receivers on the group. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.080 I'm going to talk about the big three a little 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.200 bit here. The reason why is, first thing I noticed 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.439 whenever I saw Ota practice on Thursday, I brought out 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.480 the binoculars. I looked at eighty eight. That man has 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.040 put on some weight in a good way, like good weight. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.480 Oh man, he looks big, he looks strong. The thighs 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.199 there's a picture online, there's of a story, I believe. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.240 I think it's a featured picture on one of the 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.559 stories on Dallas Cowboys dot com. And his thighs are 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.680 like the size of this table. Like, I mean, there's 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.160 just massive. What do you think the expectation should be 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.440 for the big three receivers? Is this the chance for 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.520 Cede Lamb to maybe make it a step up and 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.560 maybe even be challenging with Amari Cooper in his second 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.600 year as the number one receiver? Or is Amari Cooper 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.400 gonna come in and have to keep that mentality of 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.280 course with an out at the end of his contract. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.520 There's a contract here from Michael Gallup. There's a lot 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.240 of questions around this part of the team. Well, I'm 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.640 conceding to the receiver. I mean, I think the expectation 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.679 is where they kind of where they left off when 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.680 before Dat got hurt, right, it was just you know, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:10.000 just having a level of consistency and um and these 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.840 guys you can you can these guys can take you 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.960 take you out from every angle. And that's essentially what 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.960 this offense is built to do. Is built to have 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.120 a consistent running game. Is built to have a quarterback 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.160 who who's a game manager, who can also can make 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.560 plays as well, who has a big arm um. Is 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.960 meant to no matter who you line up on what 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.640 your your first dB, your second dB, your third best dB, 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.839 they're gonna get routed up because our three you're better 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.640 than your three. Oh and by the way, we have 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.240 a tight end as well, by the name of jar 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.480 One who can run by your your fourth best guy. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.600 So I mean, so that's what this offense is made 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.199 to do. So in terms of expectation, I don't have 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.640 or nor do I put any expectations on one particular person. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.480 I look at how each person is going to positively 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.240 affect the entire offense and their ability to keep keep 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.520 on the field. Right, So a time of possession, which 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.240 is huge, right in terms of your ability to win 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.120 ball games. We've talked about that a lot last year. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.680 But also will be able to continue to move these chains, right, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:13:59.880 that's what you want to do. So we talk about 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.080 be able to play complimentary football and helping your defense 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.760 out is huge. So if we don't have a balance attack, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.920 if we can't keep guys at bay, then we're gonna struggle. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.720 But as long as we can keep their running game going, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.960 as long as we can keep Dak upright, I think 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.480 all these guys are gonna eat. Who do you think 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.000 in the wide receiving corps is best equipped to achieve that? 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.520 Achieve what I think I think they're all gonna do. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.600 I mean, I think I'm saying best out of the 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.320 out of the group, which one's the best right now? 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.760 In that regard, I mean in terms of numbers, in 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.680 terms of pure numbers, I think Cooper is always going 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.520 to get them the biggest numbers because I think he's 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.320 always gonna be the biggest threat. You think, yeah, I mean, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.400 but I do. I think that, And I don't want to. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.320 I don't want to get killed on this by everybody 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:46.520 in the world. But when it comes to numbers, isn't everything. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.320 I'll put it that way. Numbers isn't everything. It doesn't 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.280 tell the entire story, right, It doesn't tell you the 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.760 story about how, uh, you know, Amari Cooper goes out 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:56.280 here and gets you know, one hundred fifty yards and 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.480 there in a game, Well, would he got that hundred 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.080 fifty yards of CD wasn't inside of it? Right? Him 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.760 lining up and keeping that safety at bay right, keeping 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.680 those linebackers offer. So so there's a lot of other 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.200 intricacies that are really go into the game that don't 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.600 necessarily always reflect in stats. I agree, I think that's 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.840 one accurate. But also there are other numbers that do 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.920 tell a story about who is the better receiver of 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.040 the two. And that's also called Chacheing money numbers. I mean, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.480 the numbers are there for Amari Cooper, and then we're 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.720 gonna see very quickly here in the next offseason where 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.920 whether or not those that money is there for Michael 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.360 Gallup as well. So I'm gonna ask you the same question, Hackmo, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.280 which one of those receivers is best equipped right now 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.520 to help this team succeed? And I'm asking, is there 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.200 a chance that it's not Amari Cooper? Yeah, I mean 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.800 Ceedee Lamb and you you look at Ceedee Lamb and 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.360 the attention that Amara Cooper is gonna get, like you 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.600 you pointed out, I mean, teams are gonna just have 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.960 to pick their own poison on who you're gonna allow 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.280 to expose you. But in the second gear, I look 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.880 for a guy like Ceedee Lamb to make strides, you know, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.360 get past that thousand yard level because it's gonna be 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.720 hard for teams to deal with him one on one. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.720 And so you see, it's just ability, it's just acrobatic 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.320 nature to go up in high point balls. That's what 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.600 he does a lot better than a lot of NFL receivers. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.840 And so I just think Ceedee Lamb is in that 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.280 conversation to make the stride in the second year. But 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.800 let's not gloss over the fact that Michael Gallup has 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:28.640 been risp in OTA's and he is. Michael Gallup has 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.560 just been un you know, like what he's done in 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:37.280 this offense is kind of underappreciated by fans and the 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.080 trade rumors and things like that. So when you talk 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.560 about a guy being in the contract year and being 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.960 one of Dak Prescott's favorites, you know amongst the receivering group, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.200 I look for him to do special things too. Yeah, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.520 I to your point, like he gets overlooked and the 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.600 and the I think everybody gets so excited about the 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.520 draft leading up to the draft. That was a big conversation, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.240 like oh, if you you could pick up an extra pick, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.360 you know, because maybe you don't resign Gallop next year. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.000 Worry about next year next year, Like you just signed 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.480 Dak Prescott tw one hundred and sixty million plus, give 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.520 him the best group you possibly can, make your offense 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.440 as good as you possibly can, and then just kind 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.480 of see what happens when twenty twenty two rolls around. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.680 But to Isaiah's point, I watched a lot of playoff 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.199 basketball over the weekend. This receiver core reminds me. It's 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.200 kind of nets. Like, you know, they all make each 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.000 other better. They all compliment each other and help each 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.760 other get open because of their presence, and so I 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.400 think from that standpoint, they're all important to each other. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.520 Who's the best receiver on the team. Amari Cooper is 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.680 the best receiver on this team. He's the most consistent 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.960 receiver on the team. I went back and I think 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.199 I did a top ten of his best plays of 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.800 twenty twenty one. It's a very quiet at times, ninety 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.680 three catches because it's not always flashy, but he's helping 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.960 move the chains consistently with four different quarterbacks last year, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.280 I think Ceedee Lamb's prime for a big year. I think, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.199 do you watch him two times already and you can 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.560 tell to your point. I think he's gonna be special, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.440 and he already is special. I think he did. He 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.159 was up there in drops last year. You know he 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.560 missed him He missed some opportunities to make some big plays. Um, 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.080 I think he had. I don't want to miss quote it. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:12.880 I want to say it was like nine nine drops. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.760 He cleans that up, just like Mike clean that up 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.800 a little bit for himself last year. Coming off of 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.240 twenty nineteen, he'll be even better, much better. And I 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.280 don't think we could totally put all the pressure on 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.000 the receivers. I know, obviously they're there are ones that 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:27.159 have to go out there and make the plays. But 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.000 at the end of the day, there's a gentleman who 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.920 happens to have a massive call sheet larger than the 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:36.280 one of Kyle has, and he decides who who's in 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.960 the best position to make plays on a certain play 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.639 right against certain schemes. So let's let's not take the 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.000 take the pressure off of off of Kellen Moore and 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.959 his ability to be able to call plays that give 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.399 these guys the best opportunity to be successful. Oh and 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.719 by the way, we had this issue in the red zone, right, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.240 and there's a guy that they brought in by the 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.399 name of mac do right, so let's see what effect 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.359 that he has over these guys and their abilities to 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.520 score points in a zone, because this conversation might change 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.320 when we see that. Trying to start controversy, I just said, 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.399 I look at it. I went back and looked at 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.760 the numbers red zone wise between Kellen Moore and Ben 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.840 McAdoo during their times as offensive coordinators. As an offensive coordinator, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.480 McAdoo was way better than Kellen Moore in the red zone, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:24.120 just average per career. As a head coach, actually, McAdoo 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.880