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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. It's me, Debbie. Welcome to episode 23 of

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Speaker 1: my podcast. Who's with me based on my sub stack

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Speaker 1: of the same name. My name is Debbie and I

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Speaker 1: am your host today. Subscribe to my sub stack. If

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Speaker 1: you really want to keep in touch with me and

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Speaker 1: avoid the algorithm. Uh, this episode is with, uh, the incredible, the, uh,

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Speaker 1: game changing, literally Megan Rapinoe, uh, women's soccer player, ex

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Speaker 1: women's soccer player. I mean, she's always gonna be a

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Speaker 1: soccer player, but she has retired from her career as

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Speaker 1: It's called Rapinoe. It's not out yet, but it is

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Speaker 1: making the festival circuit, and it will be out somewhere

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Speaker 1: soon where you'll be able to see it, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about her doc, which you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to see someday. And also, a little thing you should know,

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Speaker 1: I taped this episode the same exact day that I

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Speaker 1: taped the episode with Colin Kaepernick that aired last week.

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Speaker 1: So the shirt is the same if you're watching this

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. I'm wearing my Living Color Juneteenth. Shirt in both.

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Speaker 1: I just put on a jacket over the Colin Kaepernick

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Speaker 1: of it to dress it up for the evening because

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Speaker 1: I'm a man and I have male privilege and I

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Speaker 1: can dress things up by just putting on a casual jacket.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, what else is going on? My book, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese.

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Speaker 1: How do I make sure that you can see this? Okay,

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Speaker 1: it looks like you can see that. It's the actual book.

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Speaker 1: It's an actual copy of the book. Look at the back.

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Speaker 1: It's my family. Look, it's me and my mom and

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Speaker 1: my wife over there and my three daughters. who are

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Speaker 1: all featured in the book, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese. I've

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Speaker 1: been talking about this for a while. We finally have it.

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Speaker 1: It comes out October 27th. You can order it from

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Speaker 1: your favorite independent bookstore. I would encourage you to order

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Speaker 1: it from bookshop.org if you want to get it online

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Speaker 1: because that actually supports independent bookstores. You can actually choose

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Speaker 1: which independent bookstore you want to support. Yeah, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese.

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Speaker 1: It's here. Look, I'll just open it up to a

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Speaker 1: random page to show you how it looks. Let's see.

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Speaker 1: Look at that. It's my kids and our dog. the

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Speaker 1: illustrator Brianna Chambers was like, do you have a dog?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we do have a dog. And there you go.

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Speaker 1: So it's my kids about to fight. Two of my

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Speaker 1: kids fighting and the older one interrupting. It doesn't always

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Speaker 1: go that way. But anyway, it's Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese.

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Speaker 1: I got it. Please pre-order it. The pre-orders help us

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Speaker 1: a lot. Please get it from an independent bookstore to

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Speaker 1: support your local community. Again, this is my first children's book.

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Speaker 1: And just to give you an idea, it's just about

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Speaker 1: a fun game of Rock, Paper, Scissors that gets turned

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Speaker 1: into Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese. That idea came from Adam Mansbach,

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Speaker 1: who is my co-author of this book, because that's how

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Speaker 1: which we've been around each other for years. And again,

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Speaker 1: October 27th, pre-order now. Yay, I got a physical copy

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Speaker 1: of the book. I've been giving it away to people.

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Speaker 1: I should probably sell them, though. So please buy one.

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Speaker 1: Let me put this down here. So, yes. I had

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Speaker 1: a cool thing happen this week. Actually, I ran into

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Speaker 1: the Golden State Valkyries' first finals game in their history,

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Speaker 1: And because I am who I am and me and

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Speaker 1: of a WNBA game. So I reached out to my

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Speaker 1: we got two shirts from the Transgender Law Center. That

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Speaker 1: basically support trans kids playing sports. You can see me

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Speaker 1: We had interacted online a couple times, but we'd never

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Speaker 1: It's just like him and Miss Rachel are just equal

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Speaker 1: be fair.

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00:19:28,714 --> 00:19:30,513
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, what's fair?

424
00:19:30,534 --> 00:19:32,934
Speaker 1: I always point to Victor Wimbinyama. Is that fair? What

425
00:19:32,954 --> 00:19:34,004
Speaker 1: does that mean, even? So it's already....

426
00:19:37,454 --> 00:19:38,314
Speaker 2: Not fair.

427
00:19:38,514 --> 00:19:42,114
Speaker 3: And also just like, it isn't the most important thing

428
00:19:43,094 --> 00:19:47,164
Speaker 3: in the world over someone's human rights or getting to

429
00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:48,724
Speaker 3: play or being cool to people.

430
00:19:48,764 --> 00:19:50,364
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, I don't know.

431
00:19:50,644 --> 00:19:54,784
Speaker 3: I've won everything at every level basically and played, you know,

432
00:19:54,914 --> 00:19:58,354
Speaker 3: in sort of every competition. And like, I've just kind

433
00:19:58,414 --> 00:20:00,564
Speaker 3: of like, I'm the one who can speak to it

434
00:20:00,584 --> 00:20:04,244
Speaker 3: like I'm okay if like God forbid a trans person

435
00:20:04,624 --> 00:20:06,804
Speaker 3: plays sports and they're halfway decent at it you know

436
00:20:07,004 --> 00:20:12,104
Speaker 3: like it's fine also just the needle thread to even

437
00:20:12,164 --> 00:20:16,514
Speaker 3: be a professional athlete and to like be a trans person.

438
00:20:16,894 --> 00:20:18,774
Speaker 3: It's just, I think most people just want to participate

439
00:20:18,814 --> 00:20:21,294
Speaker 3: and play. And I can't wait to see an elite,

440
00:20:21,594 --> 00:20:22,654
Speaker 3: elite trans person play sports.

441
00:20:22,674 --> 00:20:23,104
Speaker 2: That'd be great.

442
00:20:23,424 --> 00:20:25,604
Speaker 1: And, and we, you know, we, we've, I've, I don't

443
00:20:25,624 --> 00:20:27,004
Speaker 1: know why. I think I know why I didn't say

444
00:20:27,184 --> 00:20:29,244
Speaker 1: Ennis Cantor or Royce White because I don't like saying

445
00:20:29,284 --> 00:20:32,694
Speaker 1: those words out loud. Yeah, just grifters, man. But just grifters, yeah.

446
00:20:32,934 --> 00:20:34,474
Speaker 2: Wow, sad, sad.

447
00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:39,854
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all have nothing better to do? Like, wow,

448
00:20:39,934 --> 00:20:41,864
Speaker 3: just grifting.

449
00:20:41,944 --> 00:20:43,484
Speaker 2: It's kind of embarrassing.

450
00:20:43,504 --> 00:20:44,964
Speaker 1: Well, I think both of them had that thing where

451
00:20:44,984 --> 00:20:49,364
Speaker 1: they were like, you know... not like it is kentish

452
00:20:49,384 --> 00:20:51,684
Speaker 1: from turkey but i would say that to maga he's

453
00:20:51,724 --> 00:20:55,104
Speaker 1: brown on the census he might be able to check

454
00:20:55,144 --> 00:20:58,864
Speaker 1: white but by magas that name and that never going

455
00:20:58,904 --> 00:21:00,784
Speaker 1: away tan makes him brown yeah and then you have

456
00:21:00,804 --> 00:21:02,914
Speaker 1: voice white i think they both have that like black

457
00:21:02,954 --> 00:21:05,694
Speaker 1: and brown sort of like where they sort of both

458
00:21:05,754 --> 00:21:08,094
Speaker 1: went maga and maga like loves to welcome those people

459
00:21:08,214 --> 00:21:10,674
Speaker 1: in but then those people get welcomed in and very

460
00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:13,114
Speaker 1: quickly discarded because they don't they don't really want those

461
00:21:13,134 --> 00:21:15,584
Speaker 1: people there and so they're trying to figure out how

462
00:21:15,604 --> 00:21:18,364
Speaker 1: do I add to my MAGA grift? And I think

463
00:21:18,384 --> 00:21:20,224
Speaker 1: it's so sad they both figured out the same grift

464
00:21:20,264 --> 00:21:22,184
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah. Because it makes it more

465
00:21:22,264 --> 00:21:25,184
Speaker 1: obvious that it's a grift because you both independently went

466
00:21:25,224 --> 00:21:27,044
Speaker 1: the I'm trans grift. Yeah.

467
00:21:27,224 --> 00:21:29,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm like, and they still hate you.

468
00:21:29,724 --> 00:21:32,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, they still hate you. Yeah, they'll pretend. They'll pretend.

469
00:21:33,684 --> 00:21:35,064
Speaker 1: But as soon as you walk out the studio, they're

470
00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:38,944
Speaker 1: talking mad shit about you. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing

471
00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:40,204
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, and we don't have to

472
00:21:40,264 --> 00:21:42,464
Speaker 1: go too into this, but I just admire, and you

473
00:21:42,484 --> 00:21:44,964
Speaker 1: don't have to say anything if you don't want to, just...

474
00:21:47,284 --> 00:21:51,744
Speaker 1: public couples splitting up and having to then continue to

475
00:21:51,804 --> 00:21:54,224
Speaker 1: be outside and live your life. I'm just in like

476
00:21:55,074 --> 00:21:58,014
Speaker 1: so much grace and awe and empathy around that. And,

477
00:21:58,194 --> 00:22:00,354
Speaker 1: you know, cause you two certainly were a public couple

478
00:22:00,854 --> 00:22:02,614
Speaker 1: locked arm in arm. And then very recently we're like,

479
00:22:03,034 --> 00:22:05,104
Speaker 1: we're done. We're not doing that anymore. Yeah.

480
00:22:05,164 --> 00:22:09,554
Speaker 3: It was such a, um, uh, It's such an interesting thing,

481
00:22:09,754 --> 00:22:12,794
Speaker 3: just being a public person, period.

482
00:22:13,974 --> 00:22:14,554
Speaker 2: You know that.

483
00:22:14,694 --> 00:22:20,254
Speaker 3: It's kind of a bizarre experience. And then obviously pulling

484
00:22:20,294 --> 00:22:23,654
Speaker 3: our relationship into that. Normally, no, I wouldn't feel the

485
00:22:23,694 --> 00:22:26,754
Speaker 3: need to do a press release about a partner that

486
00:22:26,814 --> 00:22:30,354
Speaker 3: I'm breaking up with. But also we made the choice

487
00:22:30,714 --> 00:22:32,394
Speaker 3: to put our relationship public.

488
00:22:32,474 --> 00:22:33,774
Speaker 2: And I think we both felt.

489
00:22:33,614 --> 00:22:36,814
Speaker 3: Like it's sort of our responsibility or it would just

490
00:22:36,994 --> 00:22:40,044
Speaker 3: be bad. too weird to be honest to just you

491
00:22:40,064 --> 00:22:42,564
Speaker 3: know stop doing our podcasts and and stop so we

492
00:22:42,604 --> 00:22:44,824
Speaker 3: kind of like I think being gay too and being

493
00:22:45,284 --> 00:22:47,574
Speaker 3: role models for a lot of people I think especially

494
00:22:47,614 --> 00:22:51,814
Speaker 3: younger people just felt like it was an opportunity also

495
00:22:51,834 --> 00:22:55,034
Speaker 3: to just show a good ending I don't think we

496
00:22:55,054 --> 00:22:58,644
Speaker 3: do that that often and I think especially with celebrity

497
00:22:58,684 --> 00:23:01,104
Speaker 3: couples or couples that are known or public couples like

498
00:23:01,584 --> 00:23:04,204
Speaker 3: it's always just like bitter in the end and we

499
00:23:04,224 --> 00:23:06,934
Speaker 3: were just kind of like hey it's okay like Sue's

500
00:23:06,974 --> 00:23:09,354
Speaker 3: doing her thing and she's doing great.

501
00:23:09,394 --> 00:23:11,494
Speaker 2: And she has like a whole life that she's doing.

502
00:23:11,554 --> 00:23:12,434
Speaker 2: And I have my thing.

503
00:23:12,494 --> 00:23:13,814
Speaker 3: And, you know, we had a lot of love and

504
00:23:13,834 --> 00:23:15,374
Speaker 3: we were together for a long time and it's okay

505
00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:18,134
Speaker 3: that this ended. And we did that in a way

506
00:23:18,654 --> 00:23:21,374
Speaker 3: that we felt good about. And then like, you didn't hear.

507
00:23:21,334 --> 00:23:23,394
Speaker 2: Anything else about it because there was nothing else to

508
00:23:23,434 --> 00:23:23,914
Speaker 2: say about it.

509
00:23:24,254 --> 00:23:26,134
Speaker 1: Well, also I want to say, you know why often

510
00:23:26,174 --> 00:23:28,114
Speaker 1: celebrity couples breakups are messy, right?

511
00:23:28,634 --> 00:23:28,894
Speaker 3: Yeah.

512
00:23:29,134 --> 00:23:29,654
Speaker 1: Straight people.

513
00:23:30,314 --> 00:23:30,874
Speaker 2: Straight people.

514
00:23:31,054 --> 00:23:34,214
Speaker 1: I'm not saying gay people can't be messy, but if

515
00:23:34,274 --> 00:23:36,934
Speaker 1: it comes to really some real mess and Something's up.

516
00:23:36,974 --> 00:23:37,974
Speaker 1: Heterosexuality is a mess.

517
00:23:38,074 --> 00:23:40,174
Speaker 3: And then it's hard not to like, you know, you

518
00:23:40,414 --> 00:23:43,954
Speaker 3: are a couple and then you're public. And then I

519
00:23:43,974 --> 00:23:46,534
Speaker 3: just call it feed the beast. But it's like, then

520
00:23:46,574 --> 00:23:49,954
Speaker 3: you start making decisions based on the beast, which is

521
00:23:50,054 --> 00:23:52,204
Speaker 3: media and social media, all that. When it's like, you

522
00:23:52,244 --> 00:23:55,404
Speaker 3: don't know everybody, everything. Like, you know, you put some

523
00:23:55,444 --> 00:23:57,184
Speaker 3: of it out there. We felt like the old people

524
00:23:59,004 --> 00:24:01,064
Speaker 3: saying it and a sort of like closure. And then

525
00:24:01,124 --> 00:24:03,124
Speaker 3: everything else is like, not your fucking business.

526
00:24:03,404 --> 00:24:05,564
Speaker 1: Well, it's also, I mean, I understand that because your audience,

527
00:24:05,624 --> 00:24:10,804
Speaker 1: you become, You know, and talk to Cameron Esposito about

528
00:24:10,824 --> 00:24:12,964
Speaker 1: this a little bit. The idea that, like, she was like,

529
00:24:13,204 --> 00:24:15,434
Speaker 1: I'm like a... I don't know what her exact fraction was,

530
00:24:15,464 --> 00:24:18,774
Speaker 1: but to a certain demographic of people, I'm Taylor Swift.

531
00:24:21,754 --> 00:24:25,154
Speaker 1: She's like, to a certain demographic of people, that's how

532
00:24:25,194 --> 00:24:29,534
Speaker 1: famous I am. And your audience or fans or stans

533
00:24:29,664 --> 00:24:35,654
Speaker 1: or followers or supporters are... are understandably parasocial, even though

534
00:24:35,674 --> 00:24:37,094
Speaker 1: that's a word we don't use in a positive way,

535
00:24:37,134 --> 00:24:39,294
Speaker 1: but just sort of feel like this person is helping

536
00:24:39,334 --> 00:24:41,574
Speaker 1: me live my life better because that person's out there

537
00:24:41,654 --> 00:24:43,694
Speaker 1: and these two people are out there and now they're

538
00:24:43,714 --> 00:24:43,964
Speaker 1: split up.

539
00:24:44,214 --> 00:24:46,594
Speaker 3: I feel there's a little bit of a part of me,

540
00:24:46,634 --> 00:24:48,624
Speaker 3: I feel like it's ever evolving, of being in the

541
00:24:48,684 --> 00:24:51,054
Speaker 3: public eyes. There's a lot of benefit that comes from

542
00:24:51,124 --> 00:24:52,844
Speaker 3: it also. There's a lot of privilege, a lot of benefit,

543
00:24:52,884 --> 00:24:55,504
Speaker 3: there's money, there's, you know, sometimes you just walk in

544
00:24:55,544 --> 00:24:58,464
Speaker 3: and they're like, we do have a table. And I'm like,

545
00:24:58,624 --> 00:25:02,494
Speaker 3: that's What I was hoping was going to happen because

546
00:25:02,514 --> 00:25:03,594
Speaker 3: I couldn't get a reservation.

547
00:25:03,634 --> 00:25:04,254
Speaker 1: I didn't call. Yeah.

548
00:25:04,454 --> 00:25:05,714
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of benefit.

549
00:25:05,954 --> 00:25:09,964
Speaker 3: And I think there is a balance and a responsibility. Like, no,

550
00:25:10,064 --> 00:25:12,864
Speaker 3: I didn't choose to be famous. People don't really choose

551
00:25:12,904 --> 00:25:15,394
Speaker 3: to be famous, but like you are. And insofar as

552
00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:18,194
Speaker 3: you're going to participate in the benefit, there's some part

553
00:25:18,254 --> 00:25:20,414
Speaker 3: of it that you got to, balance even just like

554
00:25:20,554 --> 00:25:24,434
Speaker 3: karmically it's like you got to do your part to

555
00:25:24,614 --> 00:25:28,864
Speaker 3: reflect the world that you want to see back i

556
00:25:28,904 --> 00:25:31,244
Speaker 3: think in a lot of ways and i think it's

557
00:25:31,464 --> 00:25:34,004
Speaker 3: easy for celebrity culture to just kind of like take

558
00:25:34,044 --> 00:25:35,564
Speaker 3: the good and then when it gets a little weird

559
00:25:35,584 --> 00:25:38,454
Speaker 3: they're like well don't don't look at me now and

560
00:25:38,534 --> 00:25:43,694
Speaker 3: i'm like well i guess you just you're looking so i'm.

561
00:25:43,214 --> 00:25:45,244
Speaker 1: Here i'm here I could talk a little bit about

562
00:25:45,264 --> 00:25:47,684
Speaker 1: the fact that when you started playing soccer, there wasn't

563
00:25:47,734 --> 00:25:49,794
Speaker 1: really the idea that you could be a famous women's

564
00:25:49,834 --> 00:25:52,034
Speaker 1: soccer player in the way that you are. Yeah.

565
00:25:52,134 --> 00:25:54,574
Speaker 2: Not, not like it is now.

566
00:25:54,674 --> 00:25:59,124
Speaker 3: Certainly not. We sort of had the breakthrough, like Mia Hamm, um,

567
00:25:59,164 --> 00:26:03,543
Speaker 3: was kind of like, uh, cultural fascination figure had these

568
00:26:03,564 --> 00:26:06,884
Speaker 3: couple of moments i would say like abby had a

569
00:26:06,964 --> 00:26:10,214
Speaker 3: huge few moments maybe hope was kind of like one

570
00:26:10,254 --> 00:26:12,714
Speaker 3: of the ones that people knew but it it wasn't

571
00:26:12,874 --> 00:26:14,694
Speaker 3: it was like you had to do like it was

572
00:26:14,714 --> 00:26:17,594
Speaker 3: like a flash and then you know everybody kind of

573
00:26:17,614 --> 00:26:20,244
Speaker 3: forgot what it is and that i was kind of

574
00:26:20,284 --> 00:26:23,784
Speaker 3: lucky enough i love my experience my career Because it

575
00:26:24,144 --> 00:26:26,244
Speaker 3: all happened like in the span of my career.

576
00:26:26,264 --> 00:26:28,124
Speaker 2: So like the beginning of my career was so dramatically

577
00:26:28,184 --> 00:26:29,964
Speaker 2: different than the end of it.

578
00:26:30,084 --> 00:26:32,624
Speaker 3: And it was like fascinating to see the change and

579
00:26:32,644 --> 00:26:33,964
Speaker 3: be a part of the change happening in real time.

580
00:26:33,984 --> 00:26:38,024
Speaker 1: It was nuts. Let's talk about your documentary, Rapinoe. Yeah.

581
00:26:38,224 --> 00:26:39,783
Speaker 1: First of all, as I said, it fucked me up.

582
00:26:40,804 --> 00:26:42,084
Speaker 1: In a good way? I watched it. Yeah, no, a

583
00:26:42,084 --> 00:26:43,884
Speaker 1: great way. In a great way. In a like, I

584
00:26:43,924 --> 00:26:46,564
Speaker 1: just didn't know. So the thing that's so weird about

585
00:26:46,584 --> 00:26:48,004
Speaker 1: celebrity is that you sort of think you know a

586
00:26:48,044 --> 00:26:50,854
Speaker 1: person and we've talked before. I, there were so many

587
00:26:50,874 --> 00:26:52,013
Speaker 1: things like, I didn't know about that. I didn't know

588
00:26:52,034 --> 00:26:53,474
Speaker 1: about that. I didn't know about that. So I appreciate

589
00:26:53,494 --> 00:26:55,934
Speaker 1: that and the vulnerability, but also just the artistry of

590
00:26:55,974 --> 00:26:58,514
Speaker 1: the filmmaker, Rebecca Hunt to like, to like, I mean,

591
00:26:58,534 --> 00:27:01,854
Speaker 1: really decides like, this is not your typical sports doc

592
00:27:01,934 --> 00:27:04,274
Speaker 1: in any, I mean, it has highlights and fun things

593
00:27:04,294 --> 00:27:07,854
Speaker 1: that you did in your career, but it is very intimate. And,

594
00:27:08,094 --> 00:27:09,594
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny, you talk about therapy in the

595
00:27:09,694 --> 00:27:12,164
Speaker 1: film and some of that looks like you were, there's

596
00:27:12,184 --> 00:27:14,884
Speaker 1: one where she asked you a question and you're like, Like,

597
00:27:14,904 --> 00:27:17,644
Speaker 1: I was like, that is a therapy side. Yeah. Yeah.

598
00:27:18,244 --> 00:27:19,904
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was, it's funny.

599
00:27:20,464 --> 00:27:22,994
Speaker 3: Like, I just actually watched the whole thing for the

600
00:27:23,034 --> 00:27:28,194
Speaker 3: first time at the premiere at TIFF. And it was

601
00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:31,904
Speaker 3: so interesting to see where I was then, like, just

602
00:27:31,974 --> 00:27:34,344
Speaker 3: as a person, but definitely in, like, the journey of

603
00:27:34,404 --> 00:27:36,844
Speaker 3: going to therapy to, like, where I am now, I

604
00:27:36,884 --> 00:27:41,054
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't like use the, I probably wouldn't use the

605
00:27:41,194 --> 00:27:43,294
Speaker 3: words as much. They would probably just show up a

606
00:27:43,314 --> 00:27:46,654
Speaker 3: little bit more, but right away with Rebecca and I,

607
00:27:46,754 --> 00:27:49,654
Speaker 3: and shout out Rebecca, she's Rebecca Hunt, the director.

608
00:27:49,714 --> 00:27:51,214
Speaker 2: She was amazing.

609
00:27:51,254 --> 00:27:55,724
Speaker 3: And exactly the kind of filmmaker that I First of all,

610
00:27:55,784 --> 00:27:59,244
Speaker 3: she's a Black woman. She's a Latina woman. It's just

611
00:27:59,264 --> 00:28:02,023
Speaker 3: like I wanted a different perspective.

612
00:28:02,594 --> 00:28:04,234
Speaker 2: I'm white. My family's white.

613
00:28:04,374 --> 00:28:06,773
Speaker 3: A lot of people in my orbit are. I feel

614
00:28:06,794 --> 00:28:09,094
Speaker 3: like I'm like, and I play sports. I'm like, I

615
00:28:09,134 --> 00:28:12,864
Speaker 3: got that part of it on lock. I wanted more

616
00:28:13,884 --> 00:28:17,754
Speaker 3: of like an artistic perspective. view of it and she

617
00:28:17,794 --> 00:28:20,914
Speaker 3: just like knew exactly where to to take the story

618
00:28:20,994 --> 00:28:23,754
Speaker 3: and she just like did this whole other perspective I

619
00:28:23,794 --> 00:28:27,814
Speaker 3: definitely wanted like a commentary on what happened in my

620
00:28:27,854 --> 00:28:30,114
Speaker 3: life like I don't want to be the one commentating

621
00:28:30,134 --> 00:28:32,234
Speaker 3: it you're too close and I think we've all seen

622
00:28:32,354 --> 00:28:35,054
Speaker 3: those athlete docs that are that are just you know

623
00:28:35,634 --> 00:28:39,074
Speaker 3: self-serving i think it ends up being like they're entertaining

624
00:28:39,114 --> 00:28:40,334
Speaker 3: like i love them like.

625
00:28:40,294 --> 00:28:42,194
Speaker 1: And we're thinking about the same doc it's just but

626
00:28:42,234 --> 00:28:45,174
Speaker 1: it's like it is self-serving doesn't mean for that person

627
00:28:45,234 --> 00:28:47,414
Speaker 1: it's not entertaining yeah but it just means that you're

628
00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:48,854
Speaker 1: not going to do the same thing yeah.

629
00:28:48,734 --> 00:28:50,014
Speaker 3: I just didn't i didn't want to do that but

630
00:28:50,054 --> 00:28:52,594
Speaker 3: yeah like definitely seeing the sort of like journey of

631
00:28:52,714 --> 00:28:55,594
Speaker 3: all of it i was like oh this is intense

632
00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:56,674
Speaker 3: well also.

633
00:28:56,554 --> 00:28:57,514
Speaker 1: And i don't know how deep you want to get

634
00:28:57,534 --> 00:28:59,034
Speaker 1: into this now because i don't know how deep i

635
00:28:59,054 --> 00:29:00,844
Speaker 1: can get into this now just because like i said

636
00:29:03,904 --> 00:29:06,204
Speaker 1: So I just happen to be a person who today

637
00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:08,664
Speaker 1: is talking to you, one of the most famous and

638
00:29:08,704 --> 00:29:11,124
Speaker 1: iconic athletes in the history of planet Earth. And later

639
00:29:11,144 --> 00:29:12,744
Speaker 1: I'm talking to a man named Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: One of those famous and iconic athletes in the history

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Speaker 1: of planet Earth.

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Speaker 3: We've had a real, like, is kismet the right word,

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Speaker 3: situation around. Because when I interviewed you, I asked you

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Speaker 3: who we should have next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you said Colin out of the blue. It really

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Speaker 2: was not staged for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.

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Speaker 2: And then the next week we were doing Colin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm coming back here and doing you.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm in Oakland to do this and also

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Speaker 3: to go to Colin's event.

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Speaker 2: I know. It's just, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the moment that the story in the movie gets

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Speaker 1: to the part of the two of you sort of

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Speaker 1: like first intersecting just sort of because you took a

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Speaker 1: knee after he took a knee. And then when he's

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Speaker 1: in the film. And first of all, the thing that's

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Speaker 1: been so amazing. right now about Colin is he's outside

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Speaker 1: doing every public thing, every podcast and everything, but he's

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Speaker 1: not normally like that. And so when him and his

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Speaker 1: big afro show up in the film, his weight of

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Speaker 1: showing up, because he doesn't show up all the time,

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Speaker 1: just felt really powerful that he showed up for you

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Speaker 1: in the way that you had showed up for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think probably that my experience of Colin and

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Speaker 3: Colin's experience of me is different than what most people

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Speaker 3: say that they experience of us. I think we have, like,

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Speaker 3: such a deep respect and love and, like, care for

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Speaker 3: each other. I think we, you know, went through, in

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Speaker 3: the way that I can experience it and the way

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Speaker 3: that he can experience it, the same-ish kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: And I think we both like continued to show up

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Speaker 3: for each other. And definitely for me, like I continued

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Speaker 3: to show up and say his name and to like

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Speaker 3: constantly bring the conversation back to what he ultimately was saying.

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Speaker 3: And so I know I was a little like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: of course I won't call him.

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Speaker 2: Except for my doc. He's just, you know, iconic.

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Speaker 1: As long as he makes you write down, well, we'll get... Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We'll call him. Yeah, hopefully. But he doesn't... He's not...

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Speaker 1: I think one of his most powerful things is that

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Speaker 1: he does not show up all the time. So when

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Speaker 1: he shows up, it feels like... Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was a really cool experience. I think for everybody

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Speaker 2: that was working on the film.

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Speaker 3: For Rebecca also to be, you know, a young black filmmaker,

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Speaker 3: being able to interview him in this type of film,

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Speaker 3: it was really cool.

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Speaker 2: Because you're right. He doesn't just.

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Speaker 3: I think of Colin, because I hear this all the time.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, he doesn't do anything or he doesn't show.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be clear. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no. I don't think you're saying that either.

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Speaker 3: I think Colin doesn't show up anywhere where he doesn't

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Speaker 3: respect you and where he doesn't have something else to

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Speaker 3: add and where he doesn't feel like he's going to

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Speaker 3: have to answer the same question all of the time.

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Speaker 3: And so I think he's like, He knows, obviously, that

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Speaker 3: we have a deep respect. And so him even just

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Speaker 3: like humoring us and sitting for the doc was amazing.

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Speaker 3: And I think to have his perspective of all that

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Speaker 3: was happening was really, really interesting and special.

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. As you said, there's a similarity in that

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Speaker 1: you both sort of like, like he did his public

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Speaker 1: statement about, uh, that, you know, he first, he knelt

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Speaker 1: and then he gave his public statement about, I refuse

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Speaker 1: to stand for a flag and all those things. And

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Speaker 1: I just finished his book cause I'm, cause I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to him tonight. And he talks about how he was,

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Speaker 1: he knew there'd be a ripple effect, but he had

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Speaker 1: no idea it would be that big. And it sounds

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Speaker 1: like you were in the same position with like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: and I'm, I'm, these are my words. Every athlete's going

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Speaker 1: to take a knee to support Colin now. And I'll

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Speaker 1: just be, I'll just be one of the many and

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Speaker 1: I'll get down here and then tomorrow and I'll turn

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Speaker 1: on the news. I'll just be another in the, in the,

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Speaker 1: in the list of people who did it. All the,

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Speaker 1: all the athletes all over America did. I'll just be

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Speaker 1: another one who did it. And, and that's not exactly

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Speaker 1: what happened.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I definitely thought.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I was thinking like, oh, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do it because of that. But it certainly wasn't like,

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Speaker 3: I was not thinking like, oh, I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: this thing and it's going to be so crazy. Because

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Speaker 3: I think at that point it was like already, Colin

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Speaker 3: was already everywhere. But I also think it would just

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Speaker 3: gone through like from, you know, Trayvon Martin to Ferguson,

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Speaker 3: Mike Brown to Alton Sterling. It was just like, that

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Speaker 3: was like through like Philando Castile.

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Speaker 2: The WNBA had already started to, protests, police brutality. Like

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Speaker 2: it was just so out there. And I just was like, okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, probably a little bit of naivete

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Speaker 3: on my part for sure. I'm just like, this is

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Speaker 3: so obvious. And now Colin is giving a really amazing,

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Speaker 3: like very clear mechanism to do this. And I think

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Speaker 3: athletes could really resonate with that. Obviously there's a ton

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Speaker 3: of black athletes. I think female athletes could resonate with that.

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Speaker 3: I know like as a female athlete, Um, and as

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Speaker 3: a gay athlete and then just a gay person, I'm

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Speaker 3: just like, oh yeah, I, I, yeah, I can connect,

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Speaker 3: you know, these two dots that are, that are happening

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Speaker 3: and we can like show up for each other. And like,

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Speaker 3: when we all do that, we're way more powerful than

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Speaker 3: any ownership group or class or, well, it didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: It didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: It didn't happen quite like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I also think that there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: be said, and I really appreciate, and Sue talks about

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Speaker 1: this in the doc that like, because she had come

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Speaker 1: up in a basketball in America, she was already in

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Speaker 1: the middle of conversations with black people about the issues and, and,

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Speaker 1: and culture and those things. So that she had a

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Speaker 1: certain like knowledge that not a white person who comes

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Speaker 1: up in soccer, which is white in this country, I'll

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Speaker 1: be clear, not in the world, but in this country

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Speaker 1: is a overwhelmingly white sport that you sort of like,

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Speaker 1: as you sit down, all you can look around as a,

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Speaker 1: as a viewer is like, she's surrounded by white people

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Speaker 1: in a way that like, you know, if Sue takes

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Speaker 1: a knee in the, if she was to take a

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Speaker 1: knee in the WNBA, there'd be all these black athletes

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Speaker 1: with her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, her experience was honestly, like, invaluable at that point.

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Speaker 3: I think she just, I think as a white person

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Speaker 3: in a mostly black space, she, like, understood what that

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Speaker 3: was gonna mean and how to show up in that way.

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Speaker 3: And then just, like, she has a lot of experience and,

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Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of her friends are black and

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Speaker 3: all of her teammates are black and, you know, just

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Speaker 3: the whole, like, culture of it. So I feel like that, like,

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Speaker 3: ability to, you know, bounce things off. Cause everyone in

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Speaker 3: my world was like, what the fuck? I don't know

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Speaker 3: what you think you're doing, but this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: You need to do something else.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that the doc allows your teammates

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Speaker 1: and coach to be like a little bit like, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's not exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're not cool with it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely have some teammates who, you know,

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Speaker 3: I rock with and who were there the whole time. Like,

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Speaker 3: You know, Crystal Dunn, Becky Sauerbrunn, like, those were two

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Speaker 3: of my closest friends. Always had my back, like, to

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Speaker 3: my face, behind my back, everything. But no, most people

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Speaker 3: were like, um, what if you did something else?

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Speaker 1: What if you did nothing? What if you did nothing?

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Speaker 2: Like, you made your point. I mean, what are you

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Speaker 2: going to, you know, like.

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Speaker 1: You did that one time. It's all good.

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Speaker 2: Like, you probably stopped doing that now.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't. The other thing I didn't know, watching

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Speaker 1: the doc, I didn't know where you were from. I

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Speaker 1: just sort of thought you were from the Pacific Northwest,

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Speaker 1: but then I found out you were from Reading. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: that is the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, basically. California is a

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Speaker 1: huge state.

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Speaker 2: It's far up there.

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Speaker 1: And I think people who don't live in California don't

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Speaker 1: understand that California is like seven states. Yeah, yeah. Even

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Speaker 1: the state of San Francisco is different than the state

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Speaker 1: of Oakland. You know what I mean? That's right. And

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the fact that you're in Reading, you're

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Speaker 1: coming down to like the big city of Sacramento. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And my kids are like, we're going to the small

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Speaker 1: town of Sacramento. And learning you were from Redding, can

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Speaker 1: you talk about what a town like Redding is? Because, again,

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Speaker 1: people hear the word California after a town's name. And

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Speaker 1: there's a beach. And it's hot all the time. And

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Speaker 1: there's lots of good tacos. I mean, there's probably good

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Speaker 1: tacos in Redding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty good. We're getting a little far north, but.

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Speaker 1: It's just good. And lots of diversity. They think California.

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Speaker 1: Talk about Redding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever I say I'm from California, people are like, cool.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, not that one. And they're like, cool.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, not that one either. And they're like,

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Speaker 2: we don't, where?

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Speaker 1: Where is it?

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Speaker 3: It's, you know, predominantly white, really conservative. I think for

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Speaker 3: white people, it's just the kind of town where, like,

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Speaker 3: you don't, like, you don't notice anything else because everything's

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Speaker 3: kind of the same. We have, like, a weird, you know,

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Speaker 3: contingent of hippies that, you know, that are kind of

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Speaker 3: around but for the most part it's a pretty working

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Speaker 3: class um you know red state uh my family is

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Speaker 3: it's funny you.

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Speaker 1: Say that red i don't mean to interrupt but like

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Speaker 1: red state because it's in this california state which is

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Speaker 1: thought to be bright blue yeah but that part is.

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Speaker 3: Not that part is like 70 red so it's maybe

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Speaker 3: even um a little bit more so it's pretty homogenous

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Speaker 3: in that way um There was a lot of, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's right on I-5, so there was a big influence

853
00:38:50,654 --> 00:38:54,314
Speaker 3: of drugs, I think. You know, a lot of white people,

854
00:38:54,334 --> 00:38:56,174
Speaker 3: a lot of drugs, a lot of meth going on,

855
00:38:57,254 --> 00:38:59,674
Speaker 3: definitely in, like, the 90s and 2000s.

856
00:39:00,854 --> 00:39:03,393
Speaker 2: My family is, like, it was so weird.

857
00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:06,193
Speaker 3: We were always, like, they were conservative growing up, but

858
00:39:06,314 --> 00:39:09,094
Speaker 3: my mom and my dad both worked.

859
00:39:09,134 --> 00:39:10,343
Speaker 2: My mom worked nights.

860
00:39:10,444 --> 00:39:12,363
Speaker 3: She was a waitress, and my dad worked construction during

861
00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:16,314
Speaker 3: the day, so they had a very, like, egalitarian, like,

862
00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:19,024
Speaker 3: gender role thing going on. And my dad did, you know,

863
00:39:19,064 --> 00:39:20,823
Speaker 3: all the laundry and bath time and homework. And my

864
00:39:20,864 --> 00:39:23,703
Speaker 3: mom did all the things, too. And they just, like,

865
00:39:24,524 --> 00:39:28,064
Speaker 3: we always say that they're, like, the first, like, progressivism

866
00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:29,264
Speaker 3: that we ever saw.

867
00:39:29,283 --> 00:39:31,363
Speaker 2: I think they get it now. I think my dad's

868
00:39:31,404 --> 00:39:33,993
Speaker 2: still like, I don't know about that. But I'm like, no, you.

869
00:39:33,933 --> 00:39:38,734
Speaker 3: Guys are, like, very different. And we're very matriarchal, for sure.

870
00:39:38,774 --> 00:39:40,433
Speaker 3: My mom, like, runs the whole roost. So I feel

871
00:39:40,453 --> 00:39:44,064
Speaker 3: like I had this weird kind of like progressive in

872
00:39:44,243 --> 00:39:47,784
Speaker 3: practice upbringing and, but then, you know, in a very

873
00:39:48,223 --> 00:39:51,364
Speaker 3: conservative era. So once I went to college and In Portland.

874
00:39:51,743 --> 00:39:58,334
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay. Well, yeah, I'm liberal. This

875
00:39:58,354 --> 00:40:00,774
Speaker 2: makes a lot more sense than anything else.

876
00:40:00,893 --> 00:40:02,393
Speaker 1: So are they the kind of people who are conservative

877
00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:05,553
Speaker 1: by values but not necessarily talking about the Republican Party?

878
00:40:05,993 --> 00:40:07,354
Speaker 2: Yeah, not really.

879
00:40:08,953 --> 00:40:14,363
Speaker 3: They weren't overly political, I guess, but then I'm like,

880
00:40:14,404 --> 00:40:16,914
Speaker 3: how can you not be? You kind of always are.

881
00:40:16,944 --> 00:40:20,073
Speaker 3: You're voting and you're you know, choosing, you know, what

882
00:40:20,094 --> 00:40:21,953
Speaker 3: to do with your life. But I, I feel like

883
00:40:21,973 --> 00:40:25,113
Speaker 3: they were, I think I've officially radicalized my mom. So

884
00:40:25,134 --> 00:40:27,774
Speaker 3: I feel proud about that. Um, I don't think I

885
00:40:27,814 --> 00:40:29,474
Speaker 3: have radicalized my dad.

886
00:40:29,533 --> 00:40:32,854
Speaker 1: But he's really proud of me. I appreciate that part

887
00:40:32,873 --> 00:40:34,734
Speaker 1: of the doc too, not to interrupt, but the idea that, uh,

888
00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:36,783
Speaker 1: that he was like, I'm proud of her, but I

889
00:40:36,824 --> 00:40:39,584
Speaker 1: don't agree with everything. I was like, wow. Also good

890
00:40:39,663 --> 00:40:41,524
Speaker 1: for you for saying that and good for the film

891
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:42,303
Speaker 1: for leaving that in.

892
00:40:42,404 --> 00:40:44,933
Speaker 3: I know it was, I actually love that part so

893
00:40:45,013 --> 00:40:50,893
Speaker 3: much because you can see him really grappling with, I

894
00:40:50,933 --> 00:40:53,734
Speaker 3: don't agree with these things that she's done, or I

895
00:40:53,754 --> 00:40:55,973
Speaker 3: don't think I agree with these things that she's done,

896
00:40:56,334 --> 00:40:58,794
Speaker 3: but I'm really proud of her for doing them. So like,

897
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:02,453
Speaker 3: what does that mean exactly? I think he's still sort

898
00:41:02,493 --> 00:41:04,324
Speaker 3: of grappling with it. And I think he can like

899
00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:08,623
Speaker 3: understand me as a person and what that would mean

900
00:41:08,663 --> 00:41:11,203
Speaker 3: to do that. And also I think, you know, he has,

901
00:41:11,913 --> 00:41:15,294
Speaker 3: a little bit of time on his side now and

902
00:41:15,354 --> 00:41:18,924
Speaker 3: sort of hindsight. And he was like, right, it was

903
00:41:19,013 --> 00:41:21,904
Speaker 3: worth it for you to do that. And I understand

904
00:41:21,944 --> 00:41:24,243
Speaker 3: sort of why, but you can like see the grapple

905
00:41:24,484 --> 00:41:25,543
Speaker 3: in real time.

906
00:41:25,904 --> 00:41:30,703
Speaker 1: Good, I appreciated that. I'm an only child. What is

907
00:41:30,864 --> 00:41:34,443
Speaker 1: seven kids? Like, I don't understand. It's crazy. And a twin.

908
00:41:34,504 --> 00:41:37,924
Speaker 1: A twin, yeah. I don't understand twin. I don't understand

909
00:41:38,044 --> 00:41:41,643
Speaker 1: seven sibling or what you're one of seven. Yeah. What

910
00:41:41,703 --> 00:41:43,924
Speaker 1: is that life? Do you ever get to go, I

911
00:41:44,263 --> 00:41:44,884
Speaker 1: need to be alone?

912
00:41:46,614 --> 00:41:50,433
Speaker 2: Oh, no, not really. I mean, not, no. And it's weird.

913
00:41:50,453 --> 00:41:52,553
Speaker 2: It's like, I need a lot of alone time. I

914
00:41:52,634 --> 00:41:53,053
Speaker 2: like that.

915
00:41:53,094 --> 00:41:55,033
Speaker 3: But then when I'm around my family, it's just like, well, we're,

916
00:41:55,354 --> 00:41:57,334
Speaker 3: you know, my mom always says she's a gatherer. So

917
00:41:57,354 --> 00:41:59,873
Speaker 3: it's just, we're constantly like gathering people.

918
00:41:59,913 --> 00:42:00,193
Speaker 2: It's weird.

919
00:42:00,214 --> 00:42:03,593
Speaker 3: It kind of happened in like phases. It's actually, my

920
00:42:03,634 --> 00:42:07,053
Speaker 3: mom had five kids, but she raised seven. So she

921
00:42:07,803 --> 00:42:12,604
Speaker 3: raised her youngest sister. Um, their parents died when her

922
00:42:12,623 --> 00:42:16,044
Speaker 3: younger sister was like 10, basically, you know, um, both

923
00:42:16,064 --> 00:42:17,823
Speaker 3: their parents, you know, died within a couple of years.

924
00:42:17,884 --> 00:42:19,814
Speaker 2: My mom was like 25. She'd already had two kids

925
00:42:19,834 --> 00:42:22,033
Speaker 2: at that time. So raised her.

926
00:42:22,094 --> 00:42:24,173
Speaker 3: So she was, she's like the oldest out of all

927
00:42:24,194 --> 00:42:26,593
Speaker 3: of us. And I was, I think she was like

928
00:42:26,594 --> 00:42:28,193
Speaker 3: 15 or 16 when I was born.

929
00:42:28,234 --> 00:42:37,893
Speaker 2: So there's a And so he's like the youngest. He

930
00:42:37,933 --> 00:42:39,553
Speaker 2: was born when I was like 14. So it was

931
00:42:39,574 --> 00:42:42,053
Speaker 2: like there's all these phases of things.

932
00:42:42,074 --> 00:42:44,994
Speaker 3: There's like Austin, he's the youngest. And then like Rachel

933
00:42:45,033 --> 00:42:46,553
Speaker 3: and I were kind of, you know, we're the babies,

934
00:42:46,574 --> 00:42:48,683
Speaker 3: we're the twins. But like then another one came. So

935
00:42:48,703 --> 00:42:50,564
Speaker 3: we're not the youngest anymore. And Brian's five years older

936
00:42:51,004 --> 00:42:52,424
Speaker 3: than us. And then Michael and Jenny were from my

937
00:42:52,444 --> 00:42:55,183
Speaker 3: mom's first marriage. But it was all just like this

938
00:42:55,243 --> 00:42:59,844
Speaker 3: is what it is. A lot of like personality. Everyone's

939
00:42:59,884 --> 00:43:03,903
Speaker 3: big personality. Everyone's boisterous. Everyone's got a lot of opinions

940
00:43:03,973 --> 00:43:06,803
Speaker 3: about everything. And And there's a lot of love and

941
00:43:06,824 --> 00:43:07,203
Speaker 3: a lot of fun.

942
00:43:07,783 --> 00:43:11,743
Speaker 1: Are the family still centered in Reading? Yeah. Yeah.

943
00:43:11,824 --> 00:43:17,094
Speaker 3: My twin sister, Rach, lives in Portland. I live in Seattle.

944
00:43:17,283 --> 00:43:18,364
Speaker 3: And everyone else is there.

945
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:22,794
Speaker 1: This is an insider baseball question because you talked about it.

946
00:43:22,794 --> 00:43:24,374
Speaker 1: Because I just thought this was so funny in the doc.

947
00:43:24,953 --> 00:43:28,694
Speaker 1: You wanted to play professional soccer in Portland and you

948
00:43:28,734 --> 00:43:31,213
Speaker 1: were so salty when it was Seattle. And I think

949
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:33,524
Speaker 1: to the outside world, people are like, isn't that the

950
00:43:33,544 --> 00:43:34,064
Speaker 1: same city?

951
00:43:34,884 --> 00:43:39,214
Speaker 2: I was like, I know, literally. I was like, openly

952
00:43:39,354 --> 00:43:40,573
Speaker 2: hostile about it.

953
00:43:40,694 --> 00:43:43,794
Speaker 3: I've, I felt personally aggrieved and I thought it was

954
00:43:43,873 --> 00:43:47,093
Speaker 3: really messed up and I was so mad and I

955
00:43:47,134 --> 00:43:48,054
Speaker 3: tried so hard.

956
00:43:47,913 --> 00:43:51,013
Speaker 2: To change it and then we couldn't and that's, that

957
00:43:51,033 --> 00:43:51,363
Speaker 2: was it.

958
00:43:51,493 --> 00:43:54,084
Speaker 1: So why is the question? What is it? What, I

959
00:43:54,104 --> 00:43:56,104
Speaker 1: guess we need to distinguish the difference between Portland and

960
00:43:56,123 --> 00:43:58,343
Speaker 1: Seattle for those, for those folks who are like, it's

961
00:43:58,424 --> 00:43:59,383
Speaker 1: all the same thing, right?

962
00:43:59,404 --> 00:44:02,024
Speaker 3: Well, there was, there was two reasons. One, I had

963
00:44:02,064 --> 00:44:05,174
Speaker 3: like gone to school in Portland and And I was like, cool.

964
00:44:05,234 --> 00:44:07,673
Speaker 2: I just bought a house there. I was like, this is,

965
00:44:07,854 --> 00:44:08,734
Speaker 2: this is great.

966
00:44:08,774 --> 00:44:11,913
Speaker 3: But really, I think the real reason why I was

967
00:44:11,993 --> 00:44:15,154
Speaker 3: so mad was because I felt like I was high

968
00:44:15,214 --> 00:44:18,403
Speaker 3: enough on the hierarchy chain of best players at the

969
00:44:18,444 --> 00:44:19,004
Speaker 3: time to.

970
00:44:18,984 --> 00:44:22,223
Speaker 2: Get to choose where I wanted to go. And I

971
00:44:22,263 --> 00:44:23,024
Speaker 2: was mad about it.

972
00:44:23,104 --> 00:44:26,423
Speaker 3: But I think what happened was there was, I think

973
00:44:26,444 --> 00:44:29,493
Speaker 3: what really happened is Alex Morgan was higher on the

974
00:44:29,533 --> 00:44:32,354
Speaker 3: hierarchy chain and she had already like been allocated there.

975
00:44:32,794 --> 00:44:34,913
Speaker 2: So then they're like, we can't, we can't put you.

976
00:44:35,194 --> 00:44:37,214
Speaker 3: So I was like high enough to be pissed, but

977
00:44:37,274 --> 00:44:39,713
Speaker 3: not high enough to actually get what I wanted.

978
00:44:39,933 --> 00:44:42,814
Speaker 2: And I was like, fuck, I gotta go to Seattle.

979
00:44:42,873 --> 00:44:43,513
Speaker 2: I'm pissed.

980
00:44:44,274 --> 00:44:46,194
Speaker 1: So it wasn't about Seattle itself. It was just the

981
00:44:46,254 --> 00:44:47,654
Speaker 1: fact that it wasn't Portland. Yeah.

982
00:44:47,714 --> 00:44:48,534
Speaker 2: Just that it wasn't Portland.

983
00:44:48,594 --> 00:44:51,613
Speaker 3: And Seattle's, you know, beautiful city and much more beautiful than,

984
00:44:51,774 --> 00:44:54,513
Speaker 3: than Portland, I think, uh, just scenery wise.

985
00:44:54,594 --> 00:44:56,703
Speaker 2: But, Yeah, it ended up all working out.

986
00:44:56,783 --> 00:45:00,234
Speaker 3: And then I was really happy to be in Seattle.

987
00:45:00,294 --> 00:45:02,694
Speaker 2: And then I really leaned into the rivalry. So that

988
00:45:02,714 --> 00:45:04,614
Speaker 2: was fun. But I was salty.

989
00:45:04,873 --> 00:45:08,073
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very sort of like, you know, to

990
00:45:08,094 --> 00:45:10,433
Speaker 1: the outside world, Oakland and San Francisco is just like, well,

991
00:45:10,453 --> 00:45:12,593
Speaker 1: you're sitting there right across the water. What's the big deal?

992
00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:16,724
Speaker 1: And here it's like, ah! Turf war. Seattle and Portland

993
00:45:16,763 --> 00:45:18,924
Speaker 1: are very much like that. Yeah, very. I want to

994
00:45:18,944 --> 00:45:21,984
Speaker 1: get back into this idea of, because this is my

995
00:45:22,004 --> 00:45:25,384
Speaker 1: other question about this. And I'm asking this in all seriousness.

996
00:45:26,203 --> 00:45:30,983
Speaker 1: What is it like to be good at sports? Because

997
00:45:31,004 --> 00:45:36,323
Speaker 1: I think that we all have had moments. There was

998
00:45:36,344 --> 00:45:38,364
Speaker 1: a brief period in high school where I could grab

999
00:45:38,404 --> 00:45:40,434
Speaker 1: the rim like that. That was probably my most athletic.

1000
00:45:40,714 --> 00:45:41,873
Speaker 1: I used to do martial arts to the point where

1001
00:45:41,893 --> 00:45:43,173
Speaker 1: I could do the splits. And I felt like this

1002
00:45:43,234 --> 00:45:44,973
Speaker 1: is my athletic peak. I can do splits and I

1003
00:45:44,993 --> 00:45:47,294
Speaker 1: can grab the rim. I never got to dunking. But.

1004
00:45:48,053 --> 00:45:50,573
Speaker 1: What is it like in your body and mind to

1005
00:45:50,634 --> 00:45:53,774
Speaker 1: be like, I am... Because everybody sort of wants to

1006
00:45:53,794 --> 00:45:58,734
Speaker 1: be good at sports. Or everybody watches it and is

1007
00:45:58,794 --> 00:46:01,743
Speaker 1: amazed by seeing people who are good at sports. What

1008
00:46:01,783 --> 00:46:04,104
Speaker 1: is it like to be good and know you're good

1009
00:46:04,303 --> 00:46:04,944
Speaker 1: at sports?

1010
00:46:06,143 --> 00:46:08,744
Speaker 3: I think it's as good as you guys think it looks.

1011
00:46:10,364 --> 00:46:11,123
Speaker 3: It is like.

1012
00:46:11,783 --> 00:46:13,864
Speaker 2: It is so awesome.

1013
00:46:14,344 --> 00:46:20,553
Speaker 3: Like, it's... I mean, it is like, it's like a

1014
00:46:20,714 --> 00:46:26,934
Speaker 3: spiritual experience, really, because you're, the thing that you played

1015
00:46:26,973 --> 00:46:30,354
Speaker 3: when you were little and loved and had to be

1016
00:46:30,393 --> 00:46:33,513
Speaker 3: drug off the field for is the thing that you're

1017
00:46:33,614 --> 00:46:37,234
Speaker 3: good at, great at, you know, best in the world at,

1018
00:46:37,873 --> 00:46:40,993
Speaker 3: is the thing that you get to keep doing. I

1019
00:46:41,033 --> 00:46:44,344
Speaker 3: think that's the The biggest part is you just feel

1020
00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:50,484
Speaker 3: this alignment of purpose in your life. And then later on,

1021
00:46:50,524 --> 00:46:52,604
Speaker 3: if you're a pro, you get to make money from

1022
00:46:52,643 --> 00:46:53,183
Speaker 3: it and all that.

1023
00:46:53,263 --> 00:46:54,783
Speaker 1: Actually, I want to get to the people who are

1024
00:46:54,803 --> 00:46:57,584
Speaker 1: like that. Not just who are like, you're a pro.

1025
00:46:58,384 --> 00:47:01,723
Speaker 3: The top is just like, you get to do this

1026
00:47:01,824 --> 00:47:04,303
Speaker 3: for a living. You get to defer this really hard

1027
00:47:04,384 --> 00:47:06,703
Speaker 3: question about life of like, what is your purpose?

1028
00:47:06,783 --> 00:47:08,564
Speaker 2: And what are you going to do in life? And

1029
00:47:08,623 --> 00:47:11,524
Speaker 2: what gets you up every day? You love it.

1030
00:47:12,004 --> 00:47:14,663
Speaker 3: There's so many like tertiary benefits to you. Like outside,

1031
00:47:14,763 --> 00:47:16,544
Speaker 3: at least I played an outdoor sport. You're like moving

1032
00:47:16,564 --> 00:47:18,504
Speaker 3: your body. You're outside all the time. You're in community.

1033
00:47:18,524 --> 00:47:21,544
Speaker 3: You're just like bantering. And it's just like, it's fun.

1034
00:47:21,703 --> 00:47:24,084
Speaker 2: And then you have a goal all the.

1035
00:47:24,024 --> 00:47:28,723
Speaker 3: Time that you're trying to achieve both like personally and,

1036
00:47:29,084 --> 00:47:30,884
Speaker 3: you know, sort of from a, you're going for a

1037
00:47:30,884 --> 00:47:34,464
Speaker 3: championship of the season or whatever. And yeah, someone who

1038
00:47:34,484 --> 00:47:36,163
Speaker 3: got to like the very highest level and you're on

1039
00:47:36,183 --> 00:47:39,633
Speaker 3: the world stage and you're just like, and to perform well,

1040
00:47:40,303 --> 00:47:44,214
Speaker 3: I think to know that, like, in your body, you're like,

1041
00:47:44,634 --> 00:47:45,494
Speaker 3: I got this.

1042
00:47:45,674 --> 00:47:48,053
Speaker 2: Like, you're just walking out every day. Like, there's no

1043
00:47:48,094 --> 00:47:50,823
Speaker 2: motherfucker in here that can even, like, stop me. Like,

1044
00:47:51,024 --> 00:47:52,184
Speaker 2: I'm me.

1045
00:47:52,743 --> 00:47:55,463
Speaker 1: Like, I'm her. You're not going to tell me it's

1046
00:47:55,484 --> 00:47:57,033
Speaker 1: not as good as you think it is. No, it is.

1047
00:47:57,294 --> 00:47:58,254
Speaker 2: I mean, there's parts that are.

1048
00:47:58,993 --> 00:48:01,453
Speaker 3: Hard of course the travel and sacrifice and you know

1049
00:48:01,654 --> 00:48:04,393
Speaker 3: it's hard on your body i think looking back you're

1050
00:48:04,433 --> 00:48:06,903
Speaker 3: like now looking back being retired i'm like damn that

1051
00:48:06,924 --> 00:48:08,593
Speaker 3: was kind of like crazy but no when you're in

1052
00:48:08,654 --> 00:48:11,303
Speaker 3: it you're just like you get me to every game

1053
00:48:11,484 --> 00:48:13,684
Speaker 3: i loved it too i think there are some athletes

1054
00:48:13,703 --> 00:48:16,223
Speaker 3: that like you know secretly hate it and i just

1055
00:48:16,243 --> 00:48:18,503
Speaker 3: that would be a crazy experience but i think there's

1056
00:48:18,544 --> 00:48:24,493
Speaker 3: something amazing about being great at something and like but

1057
00:48:24,654 --> 00:48:27,173
Speaker 3: never quite being great enough. Like you're always working towards something.

1058
00:48:27,194 --> 00:48:29,354
Speaker 3: You never really feel satisfied, but like in a, in

1059
00:48:29,373 --> 00:48:32,474
Speaker 3: a good way. And then, I mean, I love a crowd.

1060
00:48:32,754 --> 00:48:36,913
Speaker 3: So I'm a, I'm just like, Oh man, I just

1061
00:48:36,933 --> 00:48:38,914
Speaker 3: could never get enough. And then the bigger, the better.

1062
00:48:38,993 --> 00:48:41,274
Speaker 3: And it was just like, it's the best feeling. Yeah.

1063
00:48:41,294 --> 00:48:43,354
Speaker 2: Scoring a goal in front of like 60,000 people.

1064
00:48:43,373 --> 00:48:46,033
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause I think, you know, many Americans and I

1065
00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:47,814
Speaker 1: would include myself as a number only this year. We're

1066
00:48:47,854 --> 00:48:51,493
Speaker 1: like world cup. You say, yeah, let me check this out.

1067
00:48:51,533 --> 00:48:53,113
Speaker 1: Like I, my eight year old who I've talked to

1068
00:48:53,134 --> 00:48:56,303
Speaker 1: you about before, is playing soccer now. And she called

1069
00:48:56,324 --> 00:48:58,464
Speaker 1: me out. She's like, Dada, how come we watch the

1070
00:48:58,604 --> 00:49:00,663
Speaker 1: NBA finals, but we aren't watching the World Cup? And

1071
00:49:00,703 --> 00:49:02,484
Speaker 1: I was like, fair point.

1072
00:49:02,564 --> 00:49:03,043
Speaker 2: Great question.

1073
00:49:03,064 --> 00:49:04,084
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point.

1074
00:49:04,104 --> 00:49:05,504
Speaker 2: Great question.

1075
00:49:05,743 --> 00:49:07,803
Speaker 1: I can't argue with that logic. Oh, no. So there

1076
00:49:07,844 --> 00:49:09,584
Speaker 1: was a game on. I think it was actually the

1077
00:49:09,604 --> 00:49:12,943
Speaker 1: game where Messi scored three goals. And so it was

1078
00:49:13,004 --> 00:49:16,573
Speaker 1: actually like a game that actually had some real drama.

1079
00:49:17,134 --> 00:49:23,554
Speaker 1: And so there's also a thing where like even– professional

1080
00:49:23,594 --> 00:49:26,263
Speaker 1: athletes in this country don't have the access to that

1081
00:49:26,324 --> 00:49:30,074
Speaker 1: World Cup type of fever. That is like the entire

1082
00:49:30,114 --> 00:49:32,924
Speaker 1: world is watching you. Yeah, it's different.

1083
00:49:33,004 --> 00:49:36,943
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's why the NBA players who

1084
00:49:37,004 --> 00:49:39,763
Speaker 3: don't care about much are like, oh, but I'm going

1085
00:49:39,783 --> 00:49:41,183
Speaker 3: to be on that World Cup team, or I'm going

1086
00:49:41,203 --> 00:49:42,404
Speaker 3: to be on that Olympics team.

1087
00:49:42,504 --> 00:49:46,424
Speaker 2: They're like, I have to do this, because that's something

1088
00:49:46,444 --> 00:49:48,843
Speaker 2: that you can't get. Yeah, the world stage.

1089
00:49:49,663 --> 00:49:52,104
Speaker 3: of it all and just like the pomp and circumstance

1090
00:49:52,123 --> 00:49:56,604
Speaker 3: of all of that is just so unique and so cool.

1091
00:49:56,763 --> 00:49:58,743
Speaker 3: It's like the Olympics, but just for soccer. I mean,

1092
00:49:58,763 --> 00:50:01,683
Speaker 3: Olympics is special for kind of bigger than the Olympics.

1093
00:50:01,743 --> 00:50:02,084
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1094
00:50:02,183 --> 00:50:04,964
Speaker 3: It's like, it's just, it's just huge to be able to,

1095
00:50:05,203 --> 00:50:06,823
Speaker 3: to have that experience.

1096
00:50:06,884 --> 00:50:08,784
Speaker 2: Everyone comes together. It's only every four years.

1097
00:50:09,604 --> 00:50:12,974
Speaker 3: Um, I know there's been talk about having it more often,

1098
00:50:13,013 --> 00:50:14,513
Speaker 3: which I think would be such a disservice.

1099
00:50:14,533 --> 00:50:17,553
Speaker 2: Like it's, it's special because it's scarce. It's not there.

1100
00:50:18,104 --> 00:50:21,013
Speaker 2: all of the time. And yeah, it's, oh my God,

1101
00:50:21,053 --> 00:50:21,373
Speaker 2: it's so cool.

1102
00:50:21,413 --> 00:50:24,673
Speaker 3: It's also like sports is one of those things that's

1103
00:50:24,694 --> 00:50:26,714
Speaker 3: like a combination of all these things in life that

1104
00:50:26,734 --> 00:50:28,834
Speaker 3: are really good for you, like moving your body, you're

1105
00:50:28,953 --> 00:50:31,133
Speaker 3: trying really hard, you're playing.

1106
00:50:31,533 --> 00:50:33,204
Speaker 2: So it's like all of these things that are just.

1107
00:50:33,223 --> 00:50:35,263
Speaker 3: Healthy for you and like you want to keep going

1108
00:50:35,303 --> 00:50:37,624
Speaker 3: back to on a daily basis, really.

1109
00:50:37,643 --> 00:50:39,544
Speaker 2: It's just like all right there.

1110
00:50:39,844 --> 00:50:41,944
Speaker 1: Which is the, again, the argument for why trans kids

1111
00:50:42,143 --> 00:50:44,604
Speaker 1: should be allowed to play sports because most of sports

1112
00:50:44,663 --> 00:50:47,973
Speaker 1: is that. It's just being outside, moving your body, learning

1113
00:50:48,013 --> 00:50:50,294
Speaker 1: how to lose, learning how to win, learning how to

1114
00:50:50,334 --> 00:50:52,473
Speaker 1: work with other people and collaborate and be in community.

1115
00:50:52,754 --> 00:50:55,953
Speaker 1: That's 99.99% of sports. And you're that other 1% that's

1116
00:50:56,033 --> 00:50:58,214
Speaker 1: also like, I also scored in the World Cup and

1117
00:50:58,254 --> 00:50:58,994
Speaker 1: have some titles.

1118
00:50:59,334 --> 00:51:00,013
Speaker 2: I also did that.

1119
00:51:00,094 --> 00:51:01,513
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it is. You're right.

1120
00:51:01,553 --> 00:51:04,323
Speaker 3: It's the 99% of it is just like, this is

1121
00:51:04,404 --> 00:51:06,493
Speaker 3: fun and good for you and people should participate.

1122
00:51:06,553 --> 00:51:08,924
Speaker 1: Yeah. What is it like? Can you talk about this

1123
00:51:08,944 --> 00:51:11,663
Speaker 1: to sort of know the day that it comes? And

1124
00:51:11,683 --> 00:51:12,843
Speaker 1: I don't know if it comes all in one day

1125
00:51:12,864 --> 00:51:14,533
Speaker 1: or if it comes in pieces where you're like, Oh,

1126
00:51:14,553 --> 00:51:15,854
Speaker 1: I'm not that athlete anymore.

1127
00:51:16,834 --> 00:51:17,413
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1128
00:51:18,634 --> 00:51:21,674
Speaker 2: Um, it cut a little bit of both.

1129
00:51:22,234 --> 00:51:24,884
Speaker 3: Um, you certainly like feel it, you know, there's different

1130
00:51:24,973 --> 00:51:27,683
Speaker 3: stages of it. I think like around, I tore my

1131
00:51:27,723 --> 00:51:30,604
Speaker 3: ACL twice in college and that was kind of like

1132
00:51:30,623 --> 00:51:32,243
Speaker 3: the first phase of it. And I tore the other

1133
00:51:32,404 --> 00:51:35,724
Speaker 3: one in when I was 30. So it was also

1134
00:51:35,783 --> 00:51:37,843
Speaker 3: kind of the time where it's like, you already, this

1135
00:51:37,904 --> 00:51:40,033
Speaker 3: is the time you need to change some shit. You're

1136
00:51:40,053 --> 00:51:41,553
Speaker 3: not going to do the same thing from 21 until

1137
00:51:41,594 --> 00:51:45,633
Speaker 3: you're retired. Um, if you want to have a long

1138
00:51:45,674 --> 00:51:48,093
Speaker 3: career around 30, that sort of starts to change. So

1139
00:51:48,174 --> 00:51:50,533
Speaker 3: already you're like, okay, but you can kind of like

1140
00:51:50,574 --> 00:51:53,054
Speaker 3: get a bump. I think you start training differently.

1141
00:51:53,094 --> 00:51:57,033
Speaker 2: You're smarter. You're kind of at like your, your prime of.

1142
00:51:57,453 --> 00:52:01,494
Speaker 3: I think your physical prime comes before your mental prime,

1143
00:52:01,933 --> 00:52:04,474
Speaker 3: but it's still, your physical still good enough to where

1144
00:52:04,574 --> 00:52:09,483
Speaker 3: it's can meet your, your mental prime. And then after 2019,

1145
00:52:09,484 --> 00:52:15,194
Speaker 3: 20 was weird too, because of COVID, but definitely like 21, 22,

1146
00:52:15,194 --> 00:52:20,533
Speaker 3: I ended up retiring in 23. Just couldn't, I couldn't

1147
00:52:21,274 --> 00:52:24,373
Speaker 3: run as fast for as long, couldn't perform at the

1148
00:52:24,413 --> 00:52:28,354
Speaker 3: same level. And then it's really just like, okay, what

1149
00:52:28,373 --> 00:52:32,764
Speaker 3: are we doing to maintain a baseline level? Because you

1150
00:52:32,783 --> 00:52:35,263
Speaker 3: drop below that. At some point, if you can't run,

1151
00:52:35,303 --> 00:52:36,483
Speaker 3: you can't run.

1152
00:52:38,163 --> 00:52:42,444
Speaker 2: And it's hard. You're injured more. There's definitely an acceptance

1153
00:52:42,803 --> 00:52:45,513
Speaker 2: of I used to be able to bust your ass,

1154
00:52:45,533 --> 00:52:48,904
Speaker 2: but like, I can't now. Like I am better than you,

1155
00:52:48,924 --> 00:52:50,963
Speaker 2: you know, and they're all the young kids.

1156
00:52:51,004 --> 00:52:53,783
Speaker 1: They're young. In the aggregate, I'm better than you. You

1157
00:52:53,803 --> 00:52:56,064
Speaker 1: will never be as good as I was, but I'm

1158
00:52:56,084 --> 00:52:57,214
Speaker 1: not as good as you now.

1159
00:52:57,294 --> 00:52:57,473
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1160
00:52:57,493 --> 00:52:59,713
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dang, I used to be able to

1161
00:52:59,834 --> 00:53:02,573
Speaker 3: get after this in a different way. Um, And then

1162
00:53:02,614 --> 00:53:05,114
Speaker 3: there is just like a real acceptance of, and I

1163
00:53:05,134 --> 00:53:07,154
Speaker 3: think a lot of athletes struggle with this and they

1164
00:53:07,553 --> 00:53:10,343
Speaker 3: have a sharper turn at the end and acceptance of,

1165
00:53:10,504 --> 00:53:12,303
Speaker 3: of this is what I can do still. And this

1166
00:53:12,324 --> 00:53:14,504
Speaker 3: is what I can't do. So let's just focus on

1167
00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:17,524
Speaker 3: what I can and, and try to mask the rest.

1168
00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:20,303
Speaker 3: And then, yeah, I mean, I had a, I had

1169
00:53:20,344 --> 00:53:21,843
Speaker 3: torn my Achilles in my final game.

1170
00:53:21,904 --> 00:53:24,584
Speaker 2: So that was, that was like, I'm really done.

1171
00:53:24,604 --> 00:53:26,474
Speaker 1: Is that, is that somehow like, I mean, not that

1172
00:53:26,493 --> 00:53:28,673
Speaker 1: you're like, yay, but it's like, well, it's just, it's.

1173
00:53:29,013 --> 00:53:32,513
Speaker 2: Oh, it felt so like, just so poetic.

1174
00:53:32,674 --> 00:53:36,404
Speaker 3: I was like, of course, you know, like I wish

1175
00:53:36,453 --> 00:53:37,984
Speaker 3: I would have been able to play the whole game

1176
00:53:38,004 --> 00:53:40,564
Speaker 3: and all that. But also I think as an athlete,

1177
00:53:40,623 --> 00:53:42,423
Speaker 3: you have to accept every time you get out there,

1178
00:53:42,944 --> 00:53:44,164
Speaker 3: you know, something crazy can happen.

1179
00:53:44,183 --> 00:53:45,924
Speaker 2: So I was just like, of course that happened.

1180
00:53:58,654 --> 00:54:06,754
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever heard the Brian Scalabrini talk about

1181
00:54:07,013 --> 00:54:09,184
Speaker 1: professional athletes? You know, Brian Scalabrini?

1182
00:54:09,203 --> 00:54:10,384
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Yeah, the redhead?

1183
00:54:10,564 --> 00:54:13,284
Speaker 1: Yeah, the redhead that he would get challenged by people

1184
00:54:13,524 --> 00:54:14,883
Speaker 1: all the time on the internet because he was like,

1185
00:54:14,904 --> 00:54:17,723
Speaker 1: you suck, you're an NBA journeyman. And then he said...

1186
00:54:18,183 --> 00:54:20,683
Speaker 1: I am closer to being Michael Jordan than you are

1187
00:54:20,703 --> 00:54:24,404
Speaker 1: to being me. I always thought that was such a like,

1188
00:54:24,553 --> 00:54:27,373
Speaker 1: and then he actually played against, he went out and played,

1189
00:54:27,393 --> 00:54:29,973
Speaker 1: and this was after he retired, against like people who

1190
00:54:29,993 --> 00:54:32,393
Speaker 1: had played in college, people who played overseas, and he

1191
00:54:32,433 --> 00:54:34,053
Speaker 1: beat all of them. So people who had played high

1192
00:54:34,074 --> 00:54:37,013
Speaker 1: level Confederate basketball was like, you don't understand. The level

1193
00:54:37,053 --> 00:54:39,654
Speaker 1: I played at, even though you think I suck, I

1194
00:54:39,714 --> 00:54:40,673
Speaker 1: am just way better than you.

1195
00:54:40,794 --> 00:54:42,254
Speaker 2: Oh, way, way better.

1196
00:54:42,334 --> 00:54:47,004
Speaker 3: Way better. I, I, I actually really feel for those

1197
00:54:47,163 --> 00:54:50,093
Speaker 3: athletes as sort of like, not a starter, but you're

1198
00:54:50,134 --> 00:54:52,093
Speaker 3: good enough to be there. Because it's like, you're always

1199
00:54:52,114 --> 00:54:54,774
Speaker 3: just going to feel like, I'm not that good. But

1200
00:54:54,794 --> 00:54:58,453
Speaker 3: it's like, you're so much better than literally everybody else.

1201
00:54:58,513 --> 00:55:01,924
Speaker 3: You know, there's always a sort of hierarchy in it.

1202
00:55:02,324 --> 00:55:02,823
Speaker 2: And that's tough.

1203
00:55:03,263 --> 00:55:06,163
Speaker 1: So one of the things, I mean, this happens to show,

1204
00:55:06,203 --> 00:55:08,663
Speaker 1: but especially in sports, how do you deal with your

1205
00:55:08,884 --> 00:55:13,883
Speaker 1: ego when you realize... you're not, that it's, like, how

1206
00:55:13,924 --> 00:55:15,713
Speaker 1: do you deal with your ego today? I would imagine

1207
00:55:15,734 --> 00:55:19,774
Speaker 1: you still have Megan Rapinoe World Cup ego, and now

1208
00:55:19,913 --> 00:55:21,993
Speaker 1: you're living your life, you're doing things, you've got a documentary.

1209
00:55:23,194 --> 00:55:25,354
Speaker 1: How do you replace that ego feed that is, I'm

1210
00:55:25,373 --> 00:55:27,123
Speaker 1: the best at this and I'm going to bust your ass?

1211
00:55:28,944 --> 00:55:31,604
Speaker 3: Well, it was, oh gosh, a real crisis of it

1212
00:55:31,663 --> 00:55:35,464
Speaker 3: in the beginning, I think, to go from, like, having

1213
00:55:35,504 --> 00:55:40,073
Speaker 3: an outlet of confidence, like to have a place where

1214
00:55:40,203 --> 00:55:43,834
Speaker 3: you could go for confidence to, I think especially for athletes,

1215
00:55:43,873 --> 00:55:46,533
Speaker 3: it's like one day you're playing, the next day you're not.

1216
00:55:46,734 --> 00:55:49,634
Speaker 2: Your career is over. So I think I really struggled

1217
00:55:50,294 --> 00:55:52,944
Speaker 2: with like, it wasn't so much.

1218
00:55:52,884 --> 00:55:56,133
Speaker 3: I was feeling like I need to, you know, be

1219
00:55:56,154 --> 00:55:58,823
Speaker 3: the star player in a stadium. Like, I know that's

1220
00:55:58,884 --> 00:56:02,373
Speaker 3: not even available. It was more just like, oh, I

1221
00:56:02,413 --> 00:56:04,053
Speaker 3: don't feel like I'm good at anything.

1222
00:56:04,354 --> 00:56:05,053
Speaker 2: And that is.

1223
00:56:05,033 --> 00:56:07,513
Speaker 3: Weird because I've been really good at a lot of

1224
00:56:07,553 --> 00:56:12,093
Speaker 3: things and great at something too. So it was like

1225
00:56:12,134 --> 00:56:14,393
Speaker 3: that outlet. So I think some of it is just like,

1226
00:56:15,134 --> 00:56:17,033
Speaker 3: you got to go through that crisis. Like, you're not

1227
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:19,334
Speaker 3: going to skirt it. You're not going to, therapy's not

1228
00:56:19,354 --> 00:56:21,834
Speaker 3: going to, let you avoid it. It's going to take

1229
00:56:21,854 --> 00:56:24,553
Speaker 3: you through it. I think I came to therapy right

1230
00:56:24,574 --> 00:56:26,814
Speaker 3: at the end of my career. And that was really

1231
00:56:26,873 --> 00:56:31,444
Speaker 3: important to start to, in general, understand my emotions better

1232
00:56:31,493 --> 00:56:35,464
Speaker 3: and how to regulate myself and, you know, basically just

1233
00:56:35,504 --> 00:56:36,363
Speaker 3: understand myself better.

1234
00:56:36,404 --> 00:56:38,104
Speaker 2: But then to go through that also.

1235
00:56:38,243 --> 00:56:41,623
Speaker 3: Like this is a normal experience and this is how

1236
00:56:41,643 --> 00:56:42,403
Speaker 3: you navigate that.

1237
00:56:42,444 --> 00:56:45,643
Speaker 2: But it's really hard. And another thing I think is, is.

1238
00:56:47,263 --> 00:56:51,804
Speaker 3: Letting go of or just accepting that there isn't another

1239
00:56:51,904 --> 00:56:57,723
Speaker 3: feeling of the performance I had in the 2019 World Cup.

1240
00:56:57,763 --> 00:57:00,884
Speaker 1: I'm not scoring in France.

1241
00:57:01,013 --> 00:57:03,224
Speaker 2: Against France, in the quarterfinal and sealing the game.

1242
00:57:03,243 --> 00:57:04,754
Speaker 1: There's no hobby that replaces that?

1243
00:57:05,714 --> 00:57:07,134
Speaker 2: There's nothing, right?

1244
00:57:07,354 --> 00:57:08,994
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into expensive coffees.

1245
00:57:09,074 --> 00:57:10,033
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1246
00:57:10,194 --> 00:57:13,754
Speaker 3: I'm going to learn how to make my own coffee. No,

1247
00:57:13,754 --> 00:57:15,033
Speaker 3: the barista can make it better than you.

1248
00:57:15,053 --> 00:57:16,294
Speaker 2: So just like, what are you talking about?

1249
00:57:16,684 --> 00:57:19,693
Speaker 3: But there's nothing to replace that. But there's a lot

1250
00:57:19,714 --> 00:57:23,374
Speaker 3: of other things that we couldn't do that we've never experienced.

1251
00:57:23,474 --> 00:57:26,074
Speaker 3: Even just like being around family more or friends more,

1252
00:57:26,274 --> 00:57:29,463
Speaker 3: even like literally the joy of walking. I just never

1253
00:57:29,524 --> 00:57:32,404
Speaker 3: walk because I can't afford to, you know, put a

1254
00:57:32,464 --> 00:57:36,064
Speaker 3: quarter of a mile on my legs. But just something like,

1255
00:57:36,144 --> 00:57:39,194
Speaker 3: so it's like you are giving something up. And at

1256
00:57:39,234 --> 00:57:42,854
Speaker 3: the same time, you're Allowing for a lot more space

1257
00:57:43,254 --> 00:57:45,854
Speaker 3: for a different kind of pace in life.

1258
00:57:45,914 --> 00:57:48,093
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of athletes really struggle with that.

1259
00:57:48,194 --> 00:57:50,974
Speaker 2: I struggle with that. We're used to an adrenaline roller

1260
00:57:50,994 --> 00:57:51,934
Speaker 2: coaster all the time.

1261
00:57:51,954 --> 00:57:55,914
Speaker 3: You're used to, you know, huge ego hits. And even

1262
00:57:55,974 --> 00:57:58,734
Speaker 3: the part where you're down is still kind of in

1263
00:57:58,754 --> 00:58:01,454
Speaker 3: the same thing because you're like, I'm coming back. And

1264
00:58:01,474 --> 00:58:02,734
Speaker 3: you have that like thing.

1265
00:58:02,754 --> 00:58:05,894
Speaker 2: But I think it's really more about like learning how

1266
00:58:05,914 --> 00:58:07,924
Speaker 2: to live a little bit slower, calmer life.

1267
00:58:08,364 --> 00:58:09,784
Speaker 1: That would, I can imagine. I mean, you hear about

1268
00:58:09,804 --> 00:58:11,044
Speaker 1: it all the time with athletes. How do you replace

1269
00:58:11,064 --> 00:58:14,284
Speaker 1: the competition? How do you replace the camaraderie of being

1270
00:58:14,304 --> 00:58:17,363
Speaker 1: around your fellow athletes? You know, so it's a thing

1271
00:58:17,384 --> 00:58:19,684
Speaker 1: that is, and I can't imagine because I'm in an

1272
00:58:19,764 --> 00:58:24,274
Speaker 1: ego business, but also I have a longer window of like,

1273
00:58:24,294 --> 00:58:26,774
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Mort Saul was performing until he died.

1274
00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:28,554
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So there's a longer window

1275
00:58:28,574 --> 00:58:30,414
Speaker 1: of opportunity to do the thing.

1276
00:58:31,394 --> 00:58:34,653
Speaker 3: I think the things I miss the most are the

1277
00:58:34,814 --> 00:58:37,054
Speaker 3: locker room and the friends and the banter. So you

1278
00:58:37,094 --> 00:58:41,184
Speaker 3: can recreate community in a different kind of way in

1279
00:58:41,224 --> 00:58:42,764
Speaker 3: those sort of relationships.

1280
00:58:42,824 --> 00:58:45,284
Speaker 2: I do miss the championship game. Anytime I watch.

1281
00:58:46,244 --> 00:58:47,224
Speaker 1: Do you watch?

1282
00:58:47,564 --> 00:58:48,404
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

1283
00:58:48,464 --> 00:58:48,864
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

1284
00:58:48,984 --> 00:58:51,204
Speaker 3: I mean, I love sports, too. I've just been such

1285
00:58:51,224 --> 00:58:54,484
Speaker 3: a huge sports fan. So if it's... I mean, a

1286
00:58:54,504 --> 00:58:58,264
Speaker 3: game seven or a knockout round game. Obviously, I was

1287
00:58:58,304 --> 00:59:01,064
Speaker 3: into the World Cup. Anything like that where all the

1288
00:59:01,124 --> 00:59:05,023
Speaker 3: stakes are on it, I'm just like, oh, my God.

1289
00:59:05,104 --> 00:59:06,704
Speaker 2: I want to be there so bad. But that's the

1290
00:59:06,804 --> 00:59:08,534
Speaker 2: only moment that I want. I don't want to do

1291
00:59:08,594 --> 00:59:11,714
Speaker 2: any of the work required to get there.

1292
00:59:11,714 --> 00:59:13,964
Speaker 3: So I'm going to take my walk before and then

1293
00:59:13,964 --> 00:59:14,754
Speaker 3: watch the game.

1294
00:59:14,754 --> 00:59:17,304
Speaker 1: Do you play soccer for funsies? I mean, you're in good,

1295
00:59:17,344 --> 00:59:19,754
Speaker 1: you're still in shape. Do you, is it just sort of,

1296
00:59:19,824 --> 00:59:20,124
Speaker 1: it's just.

1297
00:59:20,784 --> 00:59:21,104
Speaker 2: Never.

1298
00:59:21,124 --> 00:59:24,124
Speaker 3: Um, I haven't ever since I've done play. I mean,

1299
00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:25,863
Speaker 3: I tore my Achilles at the end. So I had,

1300
00:59:26,044 --> 00:59:28,624
Speaker 3: you know, a rehab after that. I think for me,

1301
00:59:28,944 --> 00:59:33,093
Speaker 3: I'm like, I played, I did it. I think I

1302
00:59:33,134 --> 00:59:35,474
Speaker 3: would have to like do a lot of training just

1303
00:59:35,494 --> 00:59:37,394
Speaker 3: to get my body to a place where it wouldn't,

1304
00:59:37,734 --> 00:59:39,784
Speaker 3: you know, like a leg wouldn't fall off if I

1305
00:59:39,824 --> 00:59:43,524
Speaker 3: was playing. And I don't miss soccer like that. There's

1306
00:59:43,644 --> 00:59:48,064
Speaker 3: other things that I miss about it. Like I miss,

1307
00:59:48,944 --> 00:59:51,613
Speaker 3: you know, in 2024, we went, a few of the

1308
00:59:51,654 --> 00:59:55,974
Speaker 3: old players went to the championship game for the Olympics. And, like,

1309
00:59:56,094 --> 00:59:59,254
Speaker 3: being with them in that, like, that's basically, like, pickup

1310
00:59:59,334 --> 01:00:01,774
Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, that's what I want. I don't

1311
01:00:01,814 --> 01:00:05,464
Speaker 3: want to play pickup and, like, roll my ankle. I

1312
01:00:05,484 --> 01:00:07,264
Speaker 3: don't want to be injured as a regular person.

1313
01:00:07,304 --> 01:00:09,724
Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. You don't want to tell your Achilles

1314
01:00:09,744 --> 01:00:10,463
Speaker 1: again or your ACL again.

1315
01:00:10,484 --> 01:00:11,324
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1316
01:00:11,764 --> 01:00:15,964
Speaker 1: What is it like to see, like, when you said

1317
01:00:16,004 --> 01:00:19,724
Speaker 1: you came out to your parents and in the doc

1318
01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:23,754
Speaker 1: you talk about this, and In my mind, I would

1319
01:00:23,774 --> 01:00:25,814
Speaker 1: imagine some parents I know know their kids are gay

1320
01:00:25,854 --> 01:00:27,923
Speaker 1: and are just waiting for the moment. And you seemed

1321
01:00:27,944 --> 01:00:31,724
Speaker 1: like a kid who was presenting as gay. Yeah.

1322
01:00:31,784 --> 01:00:34,204
Speaker 2: I had a lot of questions about their surprise.

1323
01:00:34,764 --> 01:00:36,383
Speaker 1: But I also understand that there's parents who are just like,

1324
01:00:36,444 --> 01:00:39,423
Speaker 1: my head is down. Megan is just Megan. There's not

1325
01:00:39,504 --> 01:00:43,454
Speaker 1: a sense of even maybe not investigating. And you were

1326
01:00:43,474 --> 01:00:45,174
Speaker 1: sort of like your parents were not prepared for it

1327
01:00:45,194 --> 01:00:46,954
Speaker 1: in the way that you maybe thought they would be.

1328
01:00:49,534 --> 01:00:50,894
Speaker 1: You are part of a wave of people who came

1329
01:00:50,934 --> 01:00:53,644
Speaker 1: out publicly to help other people come out. what do

1330
01:00:53,664 --> 01:00:58,024
Speaker 1: you think about the current state of, of LGBTQ issues

1331
01:00:58,084 --> 01:00:58,744
Speaker 1: in this country?

1332
01:01:02,084 --> 01:01:02,784
Speaker 2: Well, I think.

1333
01:01:04,544 --> 01:01:10,424
Speaker 3: First of all, we've seen so much progress just in

1334
01:01:10,494 --> 01:01:16,374
Speaker 3: terms of like, like the spectrum of expression, you know,

1335
01:01:16,534 --> 01:01:19,354
Speaker 3: even in sports leagues, you see it. I mean, certainly

1336
01:01:19,394 --> 01:01:22,154
Speaker 3: in women's sports leagues, men's sports leagues are still very closeted.

1337
01:01:22,174 --> 01:01:24,804
Speaker 2: Um, And very homophobic.

1338
01:01:24,844 --> 01:01:27,644
Speaker 1: Sort of surprising. I mean, I just, I get it.

1339
01:01:27,764 --> 01:01:30,904
Speaker 1: I understand it. I get it. But just also like, still?

1340
01:01:31,204 --> 01:01:34,344
Speaker 2: I'm still just like, kind of shocked.

1341
01:01:34,364 --> 01:01:35,244
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang.

1342
01:01:36,204 --> 01:01:37,174
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1343
01:01:37,224 --> 01:01:39,343
Speaker 3: I mean, it speaks to the fear and the level

1344
01:01:39,364 --> 01:01:41,784
Speaker 3: of homophobia and all of that.

1345
01:01:42,084 --> 01:01:44,424
Speaker 2: But we have made so much progress.

1346
01:01:44,444 --> 01:01:46,504
Speaker 3: I say, you know, even just like little kids, you

1347
01:01:46,544 --> 01:01:48,963
Speaker 3: walk by a school and it's just like, it looks

1348
01:01:49,024 --> 01:01:52,784
Speaker 3: a lot different than when I went to school. And

1349
01:01:52,984 --> 01:01:57,704
Speaker 3: in stadiums, I saw it and just like as fans

1350
01:01:57,744 --> 01:01:57,984
Speaker 3: and stuff.

1351
01:01:58,004 --> 01:02:00,954
Speaker 2: So that part is like really cool. People just are.

1352
01:02:02,524 --> 01:02:06,564
Speaker 3: Having so much more access to information and seeing so

1353
01:02:06,604 --> 01:02:11,713
Speaker 3: much more that they can resonate with in themselves. And

1354
01:02:12,014 --> 01:02:14,073
Speaker 3: that's probably why there's so much backlash is because so

1355
01:02:14,094 --> 01:02:18,454
Speaker 3: many more people are, are being themselves. And it's, it's just,

1356
01:02:19,594 --> 01:02:21,434
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to continue being shocked by

1357
01:02:21,494 --> 01:02:25,344
Speaker 3: it because this, you know, it's, it, it's a classic

1358
01:02:25,384 --> 01:02:28,664
Speaker 3: trait of a, of America, but in our political leaders,

1359
01:02:28,704 --> 01:02:34,454
Speaker 3: but just the level of hate and, And, like, cowardice

1360
01:02:34,994 --> 01:02:41,514
Speaker 3: and lack of leadership and, like, spinelessness of some of

1361
01:02:41,594 --> 01:02:47,244
Speaker 3: these people is just kind of shocking and really sad.

1362
01:02:47,604 --> 01:02:51,104
Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of like, for what? You know, like,

1363
01:02:51,204 --> 01:02:53,104
Speaker 2: for literally what?

1364
01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:55,543
Speaker 3: It doesn't, like, matter and doesn't really affect other people

1365
01:02:55,584 --> 01:02:59,454
Speaker 3: if people are gay. And so that part is really hard.

1366
01:02:59,514 --> 01:03:02,903
Speaker 3: And I know, you know, for me, like, all these

1367
01:03:02,944 --> 01:03:05,824
Speaker 3: laws don't affect me. You know, I'm a famous person

1368
01:03:05,844 --> 01:03:08,304
Speaker 3: and I'm out and I have a ton of privilege

1369
01:03:08,344 --> 01:03:10,003
Speaker 3: and I'm really protected in so many.

1370
01:03:10,084 --> 01:03:12,064
Speaker 1: And you can choose where you live. Yeah, I can choose.

1371
01:03:11,884 --> 01:03:15,604
Speaker 3: Where I live in liberal cities. But for so many people,

1372
01:03:15,644 --> 01:03:20,264
Speaker 3: I mean, these rollbacks are dangerous for them or there's

1373
01:03:20,304 --> 01:03:24,064
Speaker 3: an uptick in, you know, killings or violence against, I mean,

1374
01:03:24,124 --> 01:03:28,704
Speaker 3: everybody really, but, you know, specifically LGBTQ people and trans

1375
01:03:28,744 --> 01:03:32,593
Speaker 3: people and, you know, all the intersections of that. And

1376
01:03:32,654 --> 01:03:36,174
Speaker 3: it's just like, it's just really sad to see and

1377
01:03:36,214 --> 01:03:39,974
Speaker 3: sad to know people are afraid to be themselves in

1378
01:03:40,014 --> 01:03:41,594
Speaker 3: the context of, yes, we've made.

1379
01:03:41,784 --> 01:03:42,943
Speaker 2: A lot of progress in a lot of ways.

1380
01:03:42,974 --> 01:03:46,363
Speaker 3: And there's a lot more ability to be yourself on

1381
01:03:46,384 --> 01:03:50,204
Speaker 3: a wider spectrum. And that's the thing that, you know,

1382
01:03:50,304 --> 01:03:50,843
Speaker 3: they're scared of.

1383
01:03:52,044 --> 01:03:54,684
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think sort of just connected back to

1384
01:03:54,764 --> 01:03:57,374
Speaker 1: you and Kaepernick is the idea that like, I wish,

1385
01:03:57,434 --> 01:03:58,994
Speaker 1: and I feel this way about my business too, whenever

1386
01:03:59,034 --> 01:04:01,854
Speaker 1: I get hired to, not hired, sometimes hired, but whenever

1387
01:04:01,874 --> 01:04:04,914
Speaker 1: I get asked to do things, activist-y things or speak

1388
01:04:05,014 --> 01:04:07,754
Speaker 1: out or even like, can you promote this thing? Can

1389
01:04:07,794 --> 01:04:12,114
Speaker 1: you collab on this post about activism? And I'm sometimes like, man,

1390
01:04:12,154 --> 01:04:14,124
Speaker 1: you couldn't get nobody more famous than me? You know

1391
01:04:14,164 --> 01:04:16,184
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I just feel like that like,

1392
01:04:16,544 --> 01:04:21,084
Speaker 1: where are the other famouses of my generation knowing what's

1393
01:04:21,144 --> 01:04:22,544
Speaker 1: at stake right now? And I feel the same way

1394
01:04:22,564 --> 01:04:24,463
Speaker 1: about you and Kaepernick. Like, you should not be, you

1395
01:04:24,484 --> 01:04:27,593
Speaker 1: two are still sort of in the, minority group, you know,

1396
01:04:28,294 --> 01:04:31,154
Speaker 1: of athletes, powerful athletes who are saying no to things

1397
01:04:31,194 --> 01:04:34,213
Speaker 1: very loudly and consistently and standing up for rights loudly

1398
01:04:34,234 --> 01:04:34,754
Speaker 1: and consistently.

1399
01:04:34,774 --> 01:04:35,754
Speaker 2: That is shocking too.

1400
01:04:36,254 --> 01:04:40,274
Speaker 3: I think sometimes I hesitate to say because it's like,

1401
01:04:40,654 --> 01:04:41,434
Speaker 3: you know, whatever.

1402
01:04:41,454 --> 01:04:42,734
Speaker 2: I don't always want to call people out.

1403
01:04:42,794 --> 01:04:45,034
Speaker 1: Everybody's carrying their own thing. You got their own thing

1404
01:04:45,054 --> 01:04:45,534
Speaker 1: and blah, blah, blah.

1405
01:04:45,694 --> 01:04:48,093
Speaker 3: Or like to have it seem, you know, like a

1406
01:04:48,134 --> 01:04:51,764
Speaker 3: horn toot or something. But it is just shocking the

1407
01:04:51,804 --> 01:04:57,894
Speaker 3: level of silence and cowardice that the most powerful people Celebrities, athletes,

1408
01:04:58,194 --> 01:05:03,564
Speaker 3: business leaders, people in general who are not affected at

1409
01:05:03,724 --> 01:05:07,184
Speaker 3: all by the things that they could be speaking out on.

1410
01:05:07,224 --> 01:05:11,254
Speaker 3: They're like, it's not even a sacrifice to say most

1411
01:05:11,294 --> 01:05:14,294
Speaker 3: of the things. that we say and that, you know,

1412
01:05:14,374 --> 01:05:16,274
Speaker 3: you're willing to say, or I'm willing to say, or we,

1413
01:05:16,894 --> 01:05:19,454
Speaker 3: we speak on. And so just like that level of,

1414
01:05:19,634 --> 01:05:23,354
Speaker 3: of selfishness is, is, is, you know, in a big

1415
01:05:23,374 --> 01:05:26,354
Speaker 3: part why we are in our country, the way that,

1416
01:05:26,594 --> 01:05:29,474
Speaker 3: the way that we are. And it's, and it's really sad. And,

1417
01:05:29,654 --> 01:05:31,624
Speaker 3: and I, you know, it's a little trite to say,

1418
01:05:31,644 --> 01:05:33,383
Speaker 3: but I'm just like, if all of us aren't free,

1419
01:05:33,444 --> 01:05:35,044
Speaker 3: none of us are free. Like where we all breathe

1420
01:05:35,084 --> 01:05:36,904
Speaker 3: the same air and live in the same season, live

1421
01:05:36,924 --> 01:05:39,684
Speaker 3: in the same country. Like eventually, like, you know, the

1422
01:05:39,724 --> 01:05:40,704
Speaker 3: disease gets to the center.

1423
01:05:41,044 --> 01:05:44,664
Speaker 1: Yes. So I know a dad who has an, uh,

1424
01:05:44,684 --> 01:05:47,184
Speaker 1: who has an eight year old who plays soccer, uh,

1425
01:05:47,224 --> 01:05:49,744
Speaker 1: who did a couple of years of like non-competitive where

1426
01:05:49,764 --> 01:05:52,284
Speaker 1: they didn't keep score. There was no goalie and, and

1427
01:05:52,634 --> 01:05:54,534
Speaker 1: all the kids had a great time. And the soccer

1428
01:05:54,554 --> 01:05:56,713
Speaker 1: coaches were two, were like three dads who are also

1429
01:05:56,774 --> 01:05:57,854
Speaker 1: has kids were in it. And it was just like,

1430
01:05:58,134 --> 01:06:00,914
Speaker 1: it was just fun. And those coaches were great. And then, uh,

1431
01:06:02,394 --> 01:06:05,034
Speaker 1: this dad's kid's friends decided to try out for a

1432
01:06:05,074 --> 01:06:08,994
Speaker 1: competitive league. Now there's like levels. And that dad's kid,

1433
01:06:09,034 --> 01:06:11,264
Speaker 1: not my kid, I'm not talking about my kid, made

1434
01:06:11,364 --> 01:06:14,324
Speaker 1: a level of the competitive league and now is playing

1435
01:06:14,344 --> 01:06:17,684
Speaker 1: against other kids from around the Bay Area who clearly

1436
01:06:17,704 --> 01:06:24,394
Speaker 1: have been playing competitive soccer longer. The kids, that dad's

1437
01:06:24,454 --> 01:06:27,834
Speaker 1: kid and the kids on that team are having a

1438
01:06:27,874 --> 01:06:30,664
Speaker 1: great time But sometimes we've got to turn the scoreboard

1439
01:06:30,744 --> 01:06:33,244
Speaker 1: off because it's not– it's just– I mean, I don't

1440
01:06:33,264 --> 01:06:35,284
Speaker 1: think they turn it off. I just stopped counting. And

1441
01:06:35,424 --> 01:06:41,674
Speaker 1: it's just– They're losing. Yeah. This dad's kids, they're losing

1442
01:06:41,714 --> 01:06:45,314
Speaker 1: by a significant margin. Yeah. And I recently saw a

1443
01:06:45,454 --> 01:06:48,064
Speaker 1: goalie on the other team sit down. during the game

1444
01:06:48,224 --> 01:06:52,084
Speaker 1: because they knew that there was nothing coming down. There's

1445
01:06:52,124 --> 01:06:55,423
Speaker 1: nothing coming down on the opposite team. They're never getting

1446
01:06:55,444 --> 01:06:56,983
Speaker 1: the ball down this way, so I'm going to sit down.

1447
01:06:57,004 --> 01:07:03,284
Speaker 1: The coach was like, please stand up. Some of that

1448
01:07:03,344 --> 01:07:07,823
Speaker 1: dad's fellow parents are feeling the emotions, but the kids

1449
01:07:07,884 --> 01:07:10,984
Speaker 1: are having a great time. They're not yet registering it

1450
01:07:11,424 --> 01:07:14,724
Speaker 1: as wins. They know they're, yeah, we lost. We lost

1451
01:07:14,764 --> 01:07:19,444
Speaker 1: by one. But the Parents are sort of like starting

1452
01:07:19,464 --> 01:07:21,323
Speaker 1: to have like, what do we, what do we, what

1453
01:07:21,344 --> 01:07:23,244
Speaker 1: do we, what do we? And I even had some

1454
01:07:23,284 --> 01:07:24,323
Speaker 1: of that. I texted my wife like, what do we,

1455
01:07:24,604 --> 01:07:26,304
Speaker 1: or do we need to? So I'm going to ask

1456
01:07:26,344 --> 01:07:27,034
Speaker 1: you for advice.

1457
01:07:28,594 --> 01:07:29,914
Speaker 2: Well, that was going to be my question. Are the

1458
01:07:29,934 --> 01:07:30,633
Speaker 2: kids having fun?

1459
01:07:30,654 --> 01:07:31,613
Speaker 1: The kids are having fun.

1460
01:07:31,654 --> 01:07:35,134
Speaker 3: And that's all that matters. I'm just like, I know.

1461
01:07:35,724 --> 01:07:40,334
Speaker 3: Like eventually, you know, it's like. There is something to

1462
01:07:40,394 --> 01:07:44,854
Speaker 3: like the competitiveness of it that I think is healthy.

1463
01:07:44,874 --> 01:07:48,264
Speaker 3: Kids learn how to compete and be in conflict and

1464
01:07:48,684 --> 01:07:49,944
Speaker 3: try really hard for things.

1465
01:07:50,004 --> 01:07:50,284
Speaker 1: All that.

1466
01:07:50,324 --> 01:07:52,144
Speaker 2: But at such a young age, I'm just like, I

1467
01:07:52,144 --> 01:07:53,924
Speaker 2: don't know. Are they having fun? Are they running around

1468
01:07:53,964 --> 01:07:55,964
Speaker 2: and like getting popsicles after?

1469
01:07:56,064 --> 01:07:59,714
Speaker 1: Yes. We do bobas now. Yeah. Oh, gosh.

1470
01:07:59,994 --> 01:08:00,554
Speaker 2: I love that.

1471
01:08:00,634 --> 01:08:00,834
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1472
01:08:01,054 --> 01:08:01,934
Speaker 2: Just progress.

1473
01:08:03,794 --> 01:08:04,054
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1474
01:08:04,094 --> 01:08:06,174
Speaker 3: I'm just like if they're having fun and running around

1475
01:08:06,214 --> 01:08:09,164
Speaker 3: and they don't really– care that much i think the

1476
01:08:09,324 --> 01:08:11,764
Speaker 3: they'll start to care when they start hearing the what

1477
01:08:11,804 --> 01:08:13,403
Speaker 3: about what about what about what about like and then

1478
01:08:13,424 --> 01:08:14,964
Speaker 3: they're like wait are we doing something wrong because they

1479
01:08:14,984 --> 01:08:19,124
Speaker 3: probably they're like we lost by one hundred but we're

1480
01:08:19,144 --> 01:08:21,323
Speaker 3: not gonna tell you that you need to know how

1481
01:08:21,344 --> 01:08:24,214
Speaker 3: to count 200 so yeah it's just like i think

1482
01:08:24,234 --> 01:08:26,073
Speaker 3: you i mean i could diatribe about youth sports it's

1483
01:08:26,114 --> 01:08:28,554
Speaker 3: crazy but i think so much of the pressure is

1484
01:08:28,634 --> 01:08:32,514
Speaker 3: just coming from The parents and then, you know, to

1485
01:08:32,534 --> 01:08:37,274
Speaker 3: your point earlier about 99% of people and kids who

1486
01:08:37,294 --> 01:08:39,774
Speaker 3: play sports and then all the benefit that comes from that.

1487
01:08:39,794 --> 01:08:43,024
Speaker 3: You start taking away those benefits when you're like it

1488
01:08:43,184 --> 01:08:46,624
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if they lose by 100. It matters if

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01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:49,524
Speaker 3: they're with their friends and they're hanging out and they're chilling.

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Speaker 3: Then it's like it's kind of funny too because you're

1491
01:08:51,654 --> 01:08:53,314
Speaker 3: like you guys are so bad.

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01:08:53,534 --> 01:08:55,074
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tough.

1493
01:08:55,394 --> 01:08:56,254
Speaker 2: But here's your boba.

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01:08:56,374 --> 01:08:58,334
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because at the beginning of this conversation,

1495
01:08:58,354 --> 01:09:00,644
Speaker 1: I was like, it's mostly about fun, 99%. And then

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01:09:00,704 --> 01:09:03,544
Speaker 1: as a parent, I'm like, maybe it's a little bit about. Yeah,

1497
01:09:03,704 --> 01:09:05,964
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I appreciate you saying that because

1498
01:09:06,124 --> 01:09:07,854
Speaker 1: I keep trying to remind myself of that. But I

1499
01:09:07,894 --> 01:09:09,794
Speaker 1: need you to say it. And I also need to

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01:09:09,854 --> 01:09:11,924
Speaker 1: play this clip for some. Yeah. dad. I mean, I'm

1501
01:09:11,964 --> 01:09:14,744
Speaker 1: not talking about myself. I'm talking about a friend, a friend,

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01:09:14,764 --> 01:09:17,484
Speaker 1: a dad who I know, adjacent dad. So I'm going

1503
01:09:17,524 --> 01:09:19,444
Speaker 1: to play it for him. And I'm going to send

1504
01:09:19,464 --> 01:09:21,034
Speaker 1: this clip to the parents of the, in the group

1505
01:09:21,044 --> 01:09:23,194
Speaker 1: chat for the parents of that team that I don't

1506
01:09:23,234 --> 01:09:24,714
Speaker 1: know at all. I'll have the dad send it.

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01:09:24,714 --> 01:09:26,374
Speaker 2: It's just not even, it's barely a friend.

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01:09:26,454 --> 01:09:28,454
Speaker 1: It's barely a friend. Barely. I don't even like that guy.

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01:09:29,014 --> 01:09:32,904
Speaker 1: I'm really hard on him. Um, My penultimate question is,

1510
01:09:32,924 --> 01:09:37,284
Speaker 1: I always ask people, as you know, I don't know

1511
01:09:37,344 --> 01:09:38,984
Speaker 1: if I've talked to many people who listen to the podcast,

1512
01:09:39,024 --> 01:09:39,544
Speaker 1: but thank you.

1513
01:09:39,744 --> 01:09:40,364
Speaker 2: I love your pod.

1514
01:09:40,584 --> 01:09:44,084
Speaker 1: Thank you. A cause, a thing that you want people

1515
01:09:44,104 --> 01:09:45,764
Speaker 1: to support, that you want people to get behind in

1516
01:09:45,804 --> 01:09:46,374
Speaker 1: these times?

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01:09:48,294 --> 01:09:50,294
Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be a really basic one,

1518
01:09:50,334 --> 01:09:54,474
Speaker 3: but like voting. I feel like it's one of these

1519
01:09:54,554 --> 01:09:58,994
Speaker 3: things where... We say voting. People are like, well, yeah, OK,

1520
01:09:59,014 --> 01:10:00,734
Speaker 3: you know, that's like the bare minimum you can do.

1521
01:10:00,774 --> 01:10:03,174
Speaker 3: It's like, well, OK, but let's not miss the low

1522
01:10:03,214 --> 01:10:05,734
Speaker 3: hanging fruit here. Let's do all we can. Obviously, the

1523
01:10:05,774 --> 01:10:09,174
Speaker 3: midterms are coming up. We see what absolute insanity is

1524
01:10:09,234 --> 01:10:13,664
Speaker 3: going on right now. I think people of all political

1525
01:10:13,714 --> 01:10:16,884
Speaker 3: affiliations and all types of people all over the country

1526
01:10:16,964 --> 01:10:21,314
Speaker 3: and every different station and situation are um, are feeling

1527
01:10:21,434 --> 01:10:27,204
Speaker 3: the effects of the collective choices that we have all made.

1528
01:10:27,264 --> 01:10:30,724
Speaker 3: And I think feeling the, um, effects of maybe our,

1529
01:10:30,864 --> 01:10:34,124
Speaker 3: our lack of participation in these choices. Like I always

1530
01:10:34,164 --> 01:10:37,614
Speaker 3: say politics is going to interact with you, whether you interact.

1531
01:10:37,354 --> 01:10:38,034
Speaker 2: With it or not.

1532
01:10:38,594 --> 01:10:41,954
Speaker 3: So, you know, there's, there's lots of great organizations, obviously

1533
01:10:42,014 --> 01:10:44,214
Speaker 3: I work with, uh, when we all vote which is

1534
01:10:44,274 --> 01:10:47,094
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama's organization. I know you talk about voting all

1535
01:10:47,134 --> 01:10:50,573
Speaker 3: the time, but like, let's not miss the most obvious

1536
01:10:51,734 --> 01:10:54,664
Speaker 3: thing that we can all participate in. So tell people

1537
01:10:54,784 --> 01:10:58,444
Speaker 3: to knock on doors, tell your friends, tell your family. It's,

1538
01:10:58,704 --> 01:11:02,224
Speaker 3: you know, like when we when we don't participate and

1539
01:11:02,284 --> 01:11:07,104
Speaker 3: when we abdicate our responsibility and power, like somebody is

1540
01:11:07,124 --> 01:11:07,804
Speaker 3: going to take it.

1541
01:11:08,294 --> 01:11:09,224
Speaker 1: They're taking it.

1542
01:11:09,234 --> 01:11:09,924
Speaker 2: They're taking it right now.

1543
01:11:09,974 --> 01:11:11,594
Speaker 1: And I think if you're the person who's listening to

1544
01:11:11,634 --> 01:11:13,914
Speaker 1: this who's like, of course we vote, then make sure

1545
01:11:13,934 --> 01:11:15,864
Speaker 1: the people in your life have that same attitude, like,

1546
01:11:15,874 --> 01:11:19,264
Speaker 1: of course we vote. Of course we vote. There's always

1547
01:11:19,284 --> 01:11:20,884
Speaker 1: talk about, do you have a plan to vote? Especially

1548
01:11:20,924 --> 01:11:22,464
Speaker 1: where you live in this country, you may need a

1549
01:11:22,524 --> 01:11:25,864
Speaker 1: real specific plan because if you live in certain parts

1550
01:11:25,904 --> 01:11:27,844
Speaker 1: of the country, they're working against you and they want

1551
01:11:27,864 --> 01:11:29,754
Speaker 1: you not to vote and they want to intimidate you.

1552
01:11:29,764 --> 01:11:31,874
Speaker 1: Especially if you live in a place where ice is

1553
01:11:31,914 --> 01:11:35,554
Speaker 1: very plentiful. And I don't mean the frozen water. But

1554
01:11:35,964 --> 01:11:37,424
Speaker 1: So I think the idea of being like, and then

1555
01:11:37,464 --> 01:11:39,694
Speaker 1: also get the people in your life motivated to vote

1556
01:11:40,174 --> 01:11:41,034
Speaker 1: and registered to vote.

1557
01:11:41,074 --> 01:11:41,314
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1558
01:11:41,814 --> 01:11:41,934
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1559
01:11:41,974 --> 01:11:43,374
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest one.

1560
01:11:43,994 --> 01:11:47,234
Speaker 3: Especially if you're, you know, more politically active or conscious

1561
01:11:47,274 --> 01:11:50,154
Speaker 3: or talk about it a lot, like do that work.

1562
01:11:50,194 --> 01:11:52,094
Speaker 3: I think people always are like, well, I don't really

1563
01:11:52,114 --> 01:11:54,074
Speaker 3: know what to do. Or, you know, there's, it's like,

1564
01:11:54,134 --> 01:11:55,734
Speaker 3: what can I do? I'm just like a normal person.

1565
01:11:55,774 --> 01:11:58,454
Speaker 3: Like hit the group chat, hit the group chat, make

1566
01:11:58,494 --> 01:12:00,134
Speaker 3: plans for people and make sure that they're going to

1567
01:12:00,174 --> 01:12:01,454
Speaker 3: vote and get that word out.

1568
01:12:01,494 --> 01:12:03,494
Speaker 1: Send them a link to register to vote. It's all happening.

1569
01:12:04,204 --> 01:12:06,524
Speaker 1: Thank you for showing up. Thank you for showing up here.

1570
01:12:06,544 --> 01:12:07,164
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1571
01:12:07,364 --> 01:12:09,584
Speaker 1: Thank you for showing up in the world, being consistent.

1572
01:12:09,664 --> 01:12:11,244
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing it when you were scared or

1573
01:12:11,264 --> 01:12:13,044
Speaker 1: you get in over your head. Thank you for being

1574
01:12:13,084 --> 01:12:17,494
Speaker 1: very clear on, you know, issues that are outside of your,

1575
01:12:17,774 --> 01:12:20,214
Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, you're very clearly an anti-racist,

1576
01:12:20,474 --> 01:12:24,014
Speaker 1: even though you could be like, that's not my issue.

1577
01:12:24,394 --> 01:12:26,974
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate the

1578
01:12:27,014 --> 01:12:30,234
Speaker 1: kindness you've always shown me. And thank you for showing

1579
01:12:30,274 --> 01:12:30,734
Speaker 1: up today.

1580
01:12:30,834 --> 01:12:31,734
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

1581
01:12:31,894 --> 01:12:34,934
Speaker 1: And my last question. Uh, podcast is called who's with me.

1582
01:12:35,354 --> 01:12:35,894
Speaker 1: Are you with me?

1583
01:12:36,414 --> 01:12:38,314
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you.

1584
01:12:39,294 --> 01:12:43,774
Speaker 1: Definitely. Good. Good. I didn't ruin it. Good. No. Okay.

1585
01:12:43,994 --> 01:12:49,624
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for listening. Thanks to Megan Rapinoe

1586
01:12:49,644 --> 01:12:52,584
Speaker 1: for coming through on this episode. Again, her documentary Rapinoe

1587
01:12:52,604 --> 01:12:54,824
Speaker 1: will be out at some point. Please check it out.

1588
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Speaker 1: Also again, pre-order rock, paper, scissors, cheese. Uh, yeah, it's

1589
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Speaker 1: sell more and more copies. And everybody who reads it

1592
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Speaker 1: really has a good time with it. Again, if you

1593
01:13:09,114 --> 01:13:10,694
Speaker 1: don't have kids in your life, buy it because you'll

1594
01:13:10,774 --> 01:13:12,094
Speaker 1: meet a kid one day who needs a gift and

1595
01:13:12,114 --> 01:13:13,574
Speaker 1: you'll have a gift already there and you'll look like

1596
01:13:13,594 --> 01:13:17,364
Speaker 1: a magician. I asked Megan about whatever, what cause that

1597
01:13:17,384 --> 01:13:19,764
Speaker 1: she wants us to support. She said voting. Again, the

1598
01:13:20,304 --> 01:13:23,564
Speaker 1: voting is coming up. The midterms are coming up. It's

1599
01:13:23,604 --> 01:13:26,964
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to tell Trump and MAGA no. So

1600
01:13:27,004 --> 01:13:29,694
Speaker 1: just go vote. Don't get caught up in like if

1601
01:13:29,754 --> 01:13:31,634
Speaker 1: he's still in the election or blah, blah, blah or

1602
01:13:32,004 --> 01:13:33,664
Speaker 1: If he's a fascist, he is a fascist. Is he

1603
01:13:33,684 --> 01:13:35,864
Speaker 1: going to leave in 2028? Probably not. But this is

1604
01:13:35,884 --> 01:13:38,004
Speaker 1: an opportunity to tell him no and to start to

1605
01:13:38,084 --> 01:13:40,364
Speaker 1: build our power for whatever comes next. And it's going

1606
01:13:40,384 --> 01:13:46,134
Speaker 1: to be a lot. So, yeah, so please, yeah, go

1607
01:13:46,174 --> 01:13:48,894
Speaker 1: out and vote. And she supports the organization When We

1608
01:13:48,994 --> 01:13:51,474
Speaker 1: All Vote, which is apparently led by, I think, Michelle Obama.

1609
01:13:51,774 --> 01:13:53,534
Speaker 1: When We All Vote. So check out When We All

1610
01:13:53,594 --> 01:13:57,244
Speaker 1: Vote and do that. Thank you for listening to Who's

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01:13:57,284 --> 01:14:02,034
Speaker 1: With Me. Thanks to Pushkin Industries. Thanks to Rabbit Grand Productions.

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01:14:02,294 --> 01:14:05,554
Speaker 1: Thanks to Skyline Studios in Oakland. Thanks to Who Knows

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01:14:05,594 --> 01:14:10,474
Speaker 1: Best Productions, which is me right here. Shout out to Fishbone!

1614
01:14:10,554 --> 01:14:14,094
Speaker 1: Chris Dow to Fishbone for the theme song. And yeah,

1615
01:14:14,134 --> 01:14:16,254
Speaker 1: this week, do something good for yourself. Do something good

1616
01:14:16,284 --> 01:14:18,944
Speaker 1: for your community. Do something good for the world. And

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Speaker 1: see you next week.