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Speaker 1: another grabst article. Getting him back in the fold has
Speaker 1: been a true boon for this organization. You so much so, Chuck.
Speaker 1: I think that we should see if Noel can whip
Speaker 1: us up a little Grabster theme music to play when
Speaker 1: we do a grab star article. What do you think? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll see Grabsters in the metal maybe it can
Speaker 1: be metal themed. Yeah, but Noel's into the mogue, so
Speaker 1: he'll maybe he'll be a weird mashup of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about this. And this is one, uh
Speaker 1: for those of you don't know, we're talking about Ed Grabanowski,
Speaker 1: one of our favorite writers here who hadn't been doing
Speaker 1: a lot of writing for us, and we specifically petitioned
Speaker 1: to get Ed right and again and not even just that.
Speaker 1: Can we send Ed ideas specifically for this show that
Speaker 1: we think are great because we know he will do
Speaker 1: right by them. And this is one of those. Because
Speaker 1: someone wrote in wish I had the email, but someone
Speaker 1: wrote in suggesting camp X and I had never heard
Speaker 1: of it the little research and I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is a grab Stoar article if I've ever heard one.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you where you where you heard
Speaker 1: of this because I hadn't heard of it, either listener
Speaker 1: mail or Facebook. It's pretty awesome whoever sent that that suggestion,
Speaker 1: and hats off to you, thanks for it. So camp
Speaker 1: X for those of you who haven't heard of it. Um,
Speaker 1: hopefully we're not the only ones, right, only ones who
Speaker 1: haven't heard of it? Right? It's pretty little known I
Speaker 1: think among general circles. I think enthusiasts and war uh.
Speaker 1: Historians probably no more about it. Maybe re enactors, sure,
Speaker 1: why not? Um? Well, aside from those people, if you
Speaker 1: haven't heard of Camp X, don't feel bad because it
Speaker 1: was meant to be that way. It was a secret camp.
Speaker 1: It was basically a camp to treat to train good
Speaker 1: guy terrorists in World War Two. Good guy terrorists saboteurs, saboteur,
Speaker 1: I like that word. Propagandists, uh, Morse code operators, assassins,
Speaker 1: basically the guys who went over as secret agents and
Speaker 1: just messed up stuff in Europe and I believe Africa
Speaker 1: as well, North Africa, uh for the Allies during World
Speaker 1: War Two. Yeah. And if there's one thing I learned
Speaker 1: through this article is, even though I'm a liberal peacenick,
Speaker 1: if I would have been alive during that generation and
Speaker 1: had to go to war, I would totally have wanted
Speaker 1: to have been a sabbateur. Oh yeah, like all the
Speaker 1: movies like The Great Escape and Victory and all these
Speaker 1: great World War Two movies I watched growing up. I
Speaker 1: was never about like the front line battles, and you
Speaker 1: mean some of those movies are okay, But man, you
Speaker 1: show me a movie about dude sneaking around the dead
Speaker 1: of night to blow up a bridge, and I'm all
Speaker 1: over that. Have you seen fox Fire, the Clint Eastwood
Speaker 1: movie where he had to go steal a plane? Was
Speaker 1: it Firefox or fox Fire? Fox Fire? Was it Firefox?
Speaker 1: I think we're I think it was fox Fire and
Speaker 1: we're just being misled by the web browser. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. I saw that it was a special plane,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, and he had to go steal it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just bridge over the river quiet like I watched
Speaker 1: all Dirty Dozen, all those movies that were about small
Speaker 1: groups of soldiers infiltrating quietly and breaking havoc from the inside. Man,
Speaker 1: I love that Big Red One. Oh yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: first R rated movie, the guns and Avron. Yes, remember
Speaker 1: poor Mark Hamil's testicles get blown off in Big Red
Speaker 1: One by grenade. I thought you were gonna say Mark
Speaker 1: Camil's port testicles. Anyway, they they they got blown off,
Speaker 1: and Lee Marvin was like, you don't need these anymore
Speaker 1: and just like tosses them away. I remember, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was my first R rated movie. I remember being
Speaker 1: in the movie theater at Toco Hills here in Atlanta
Speaker 1: and seeing those test skills being tossed down to him
Speaker 1: and I was horrified. So anyway that got weird. Can't
Speaker 1: camp it usually does. Camp X was a place where
Speaker 1: those people and those movies that you love may have
Speaker 1: been trained. It was quite literally a secret agent training
Speaker 1: camp in World War Two, and like the kind where
Speaker 1: you know, now you look back and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds like something from a James Bond novel or
Speaker 1: something like that. It actually is kind of the thing
Speaker 1: that inspired later fiction like James Bond, Like this is
Speaker 1: where it really happened. And it was in this little
Speaker 1: place in the middle of nowhere along Lake Ontario uh
Speaker 1: in Ontario, Canada, about thirty miles over the lake from
Speaker 1: the United States. Should we get back in the way
Speaker 1: back machine. Oh, we're gonna go to Camp X. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll keep your head down because they use live fire.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, all right, here we are,
Speaker 1: and the wars raging, but the United States is not
Speaker 1: yet involved. Officially because um, well, because we were the
Speaker 1: United States, we were kind of way over where we
Speaker 1: where we sit and on positioned on the planet Earth,
Speaker 1: and all the fighting was going on over there, so
Speaker 1: we were sort of isolated from that. And although President
Speaker 1: Roosevelt was like, man, uh, we technically should be going
Speaker 1: over there and helping out Britain battle the Nazis because
Speaker 1: they're not good guys, and we should probably join up,
Speaker 1: but there is pressure for us to remain over here
Speaker 1: and not get involved just yet. Yeah. Well, there's a
Speaker 1: huge isolationist movement that joined with the peace movement that
Speaker 1: was basically like, no, we remember World War One and
Speaker 1: how horrible that was. We need to stay out of this.
Speaker 1: Let that be a European war. Did you know? Um,
Speaker 1: there were actually elements from friendly countries. They're like Roald Dahl,
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and
Speaker 1: Ian Flaming, the guy who went on to write, um,
Speaker 1: the James Bond novels. They were working as agents for
Speaker 1: the British government here in the US, working to kind
Speaker 1: of propagandized against that isolationist movement to get the US
Speaker 1: to enter the war and help Britain out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: in fact, you mentioned Bond earlier, we might as well
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that there were rumors that Ian
Speaker 1: flaming and did actually go to Campex to train, even
Speaker 1: though those were I think completely unsubstantiated. Is that right.
Speaker 1: He probably visited and said hi because he was friends
Speaker 1: with one of the people in charge there, but he um,
Speaker 1: and he definitely was in America at the time it
Speaker 1: was operating. Um, So he probably went by there, but
Speaker 1: he didn't train there. As far as anyone knows, the
Speaker 1: World War two is going on, even though they didn't
Speaker 1: call it that at the time. And um, which is
Speaker 1: something that got right in the new Wonder One Woman movie.
Speaker 1: By the way, man, that was one of the best
Speaker 1: superhero movies I've seen in a long time. It was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in pretty much every way. Yea, uh so, World War
Speaker 1: two is raging. Roosevelts wants to get involved but can't
Speaker 1: really officially do it, but he does know that Hey,
Speaker 1: even though we're not officially involved, we probably need to
Speaker 1: kind of get unofficially involved and at least start gathering
Speaker 1: intelligence and start getting information going and kind of just
Speaker 1: do our pre war due diligence I guess you could say, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: at the very least, there are probably a lot of agents,
Speaker 1: and not just from friendly nations working in the United States,
Speaker 1: so we should at least have an intelligence service that
Speaker 1: can battle those guys, if not assist with the the war. Right.
Speaker 1: But that's a tough thing to get going from scratch,
Speaker 1: as that points out. But there was a country, uh,
Speaker 1: great Britain, who was very experienced in this field from
Speaker 1: all their years um traveling the world is one way
Speaker 1: you could say it, uh, but the friendliest way you
Speaker 1: can say it, yeah, um, And they were really really
Speaker 1: experienced with this, and they had great intelligence operations and
Speaker 1: they said, you know what, we'll come in and we'll
Speaker 1: we'll we'll help you out, we'll get you going. Yeah
Speaker 1: they did. In the U said okay, but don't tell
Speaker 1: anybody because we're neutral, right, and they went sure, sure.
Speaker 1: So to facilitate this, I think at the time they
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily sure where this was going, but they wanted
Speaker 1: to form a partnership. So the British Security Coordination, which
Speaker 1: was a an office of the Special Operations Executive, which
Speaker 1: is itself a branch of m I six right. Um,
Speaker 1: they set up an office, a secret office at Rockefeller
Speaker 1: Center in New York. How awesome is that it is?
Speaker 1: Even on the plaque on the on the wall said
Speaker 1: that it was British Passport Control, completely undercover British office
Speaker 1: that was meant to act as the liaison between the
Speaker 1: British secret operations and America's super secret operations. That was
Speaker 1: so super secret it shouldn't have even existed. And that
Speaker 1: office would later become Lauren Michael's office, right at least
Speaker 1: in my mind, to you Lauren Michael's impression. Uh no,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. So you've got thirty Rock, you've got
Speaker 1: an outpost set up. They were kind of getting things going,
Speaker 1: um and it was headed up at that time. Did
Speaker 1: you say William Stevenson, No not Yeah. He was a
Speaker 1: Canadian who actually served Britain as a fighter pilot in
Speaker 1: World War One, and he was the head of the
Speaker 1: BSc at the time, and he is roundly considered to
Speaker 1: have been the inspiration for James Bond. He was the
Speaker 1: real deal. He drank martinis at lunch, yeah, and killed
Speaker 1: people with his bare hands, and like he was. He
Speaker 1: was the real deal. So he was the one who
Speaker 1: set up originally Camp X and I think he had
Speaker 1: his fingers and a lot of other pots. And Ian
Speaker 1: Fleming actually did work directly beneath him, as did Rawl Dahl.
Speaker 1: Well they have it, aren't you? Just fascinated by the
Speaker 1: fact that the guy wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Speaker 1: was a a secret agent working in America in the authorities.
Speaker 1: It's great, and you know what, he wrote those children's books,
Speaker 1: but he also had a an entire bookshelf full of
Speaker 1: kind of body raunchy adult books that he had written, right,
Speaker 1: it was great. Everyone just thinks him as a kid's author,
Speaker 1: but he was much much more. Well, it's like with
Speaker 1: Anthony Burgess, who wrote a clockwork Orange also wrote children's
Speaker 1: books too. Well, that's disturbing. So uh, Canada at this time,
Speaker 1: um well, and it still is. His head points out
Speaker 1: Commonwealth and are part of the Commonwealth, and they wanted
Speaker 1: to support Britain, but they also wanted to go to
Speaker 1: war as Canada and assert themselves and say, but we're Canada,
Speaker 1: We're going as Canada. So so the Brits are like, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: everybody call him out, find whatever. Let's just let's just
Speaker 1: chill out here, right. How about we set up a
Speaker 1: secret camp in Canada to facilitate the training of Canadian
Speaker 1: and American secret agents. How about that yet? And they
Speaker 1: said how secret? And they said so secret that Prime
Speaker 1: Minister Mackenzie King is not a way And then they
Speaker 1: just dropped their tea and said you've got us and
Speaker 1: his monocle popped out. So yeah that the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: didn't even know about this thing until it was well underway,
Speaker 1: because I think they were afraid he would say no, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but do you know how mad I would be as
Speaker 1: Prime minister finding out after the fact. I'd be like, guys,
Speaker 1: come on, it's me Mackenzie. You know me, Big Mac.
Speaker 1: Don't you know me? So? Uh, Stevenson said, let's pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on this. They got a businessman from Vancouver
Speaker 1: named A. J. Taylor I love this to buy two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty acres they called them a hundred and
Speaker 1: five hectares in Canada and Canada by this land near
Speaker 1: um Oshawa, Ontario, for twelve grand under the name the
Speaker 1: Rural Realty Company Comma Ltd. Period, which is British for ink.
Speaker 1: Oh is it? Yeah? Okay, it means the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I figured so um this this land. It
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons they was selected was it
Speaker 1: was extremely remote. There were towns around it, but you
Speaker 1: could barely consider them towns they were so small and
Speaker 1: sparsely populated. Then this place was in the middle of
Speaker 1: nowhere and near these middle of nowhere towns. But it
Speaker 1: also had very terrain like there's a swamp. The part
Speaker 1: that butted up against Lake Ontario was cliff like and
Speaker 1: it actually kind of resembled some of the cliffs of
Speaker 1: France that would later be scale during D Day. Um
Speaker 1: there was open planes and fields, there were woods, basically
Speaker 1: everything you would need to train somebody to do some
Speaker 1: damage in Europe. Yeah, that was pretty simple. Far house, farmhouse,
Speaker 1: there was some storage facilities, and then they added, of
Speaker 1: course barracks, built some classrooms and eventually we'll we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the radio station there. But they built a building
Speaker 1: to house this radio equipment that would be pretty key
Speaker 1: kiss one of four f M sound of Oshawa. All right,
Speaker 1: So they get this place up and going right. And again,
Speaker 1: the whole reason it's in Canada's because America is officially
Speaker 1: neutral and it's not supposed to be training secret agents
Speaker 1: under the guy under the guidance of the British that's
Speaker 1: just not supposed to be happening. And irony of ironies
Speaker 1: is that Camp X, which is not its official name. Um.
Speaker 1: They had a number of different official names, which really
Speaker 1: kind gets across just what a secret installation it was
Speaker 1: that didn't have one official name. Um. But Camp X
Speaker 1: opened on December six. The next day the Japanese attacked
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor Summer seventh, nineteen forty one, and right after
Speaker 1: that the US entered the war. And this guy who
Speaker 1: runs this website and has written a couple of books
Speaker 1: on Camp X, I think it's the camp ex official
Speaker 1: site dot com maybe. Um. He points out that had
Speaker 1: the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor six months earlier, Camp X
Speaker 1: never would have existed, because they would have just built
Speaker 1: it in the US because the US centered the war,
Speaker 1: and in fact, there were plenty of other secret agent
Speaker 1: camps that were built in the US. But they kept
Speaker 1: Camp X going not just to train Americans but also
Speaker 1: to train Canadians as well. Yeah, and so that the people, um,
Speaker 1: like you said, no one officially called it Camp X,
Speaker 1: that that name came from the local Uh, what few
Speaker 1: local people were near there, just because it was so mysterious.
Speaker 1: They called it Camp up X, or they called it,
Speaker 1: quote the secret military camp. Right. The people that were
Speaker 1: actually their training called it the farm because of kind
Speaker 1: of you know, the fields and the orchards everywhere. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the official designation wash STS one oh three Special
Speaker 1: Training School one oh three, Right, and then the Royal
Speaker 1: Canadian Mounted Police had their own name for it too,
Speaker 1: which was S two five dash one dash one man,
Speaker 1: This is getting good. The Canadian military called it Project
Speaker 1: JA really yeah, interesting, Yeah, But don't you think that
Speaker 1: kind of like gets across that this is so secret
Speaker 1: that that no one really knew what to call it.
Speaker 1: It shall not be named. It's like what's his face?
Speaker 1: Love craft Ian camp? Right? Should we take a break?
Speaker 1: I think so? All right, we'll be back and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about what training was like, and i'll give you
Speaker 1: a hint rigorous all right, Chuck. So the training there,
Speaker 1: if you went there, and there's actually a discrepancy here
Speaker 1: between the Camp X site and what ED is saying.
Speaker 1: What what the Camp X official site is saying is
Speaker 1: that when you go there, you're basically going into what
Speaker 1: amounts to basic secret agent training, and you are you're
Speaker 1: trained in all these different ways, and then if you
Speaker 1: don't wash out, which is supposedly a tremendous percentage of
Speaker 1: a very high percentage of the people who went in
Speaker 1: didn't make it through. But if you if you made
Speaker 1: it through this training, which was between three and ten
Speaker 1: weeks depending on who you ask UM, you would then
Speaker 1: go on to Britain two different finishing schools depending on
Speaker 1: what you excel at during this generalized basic secret agent training.
Speaker 1: And then once you finished finishing school, the British Secrets
Speaker 1: Services would um design a secret mission based exclusively for
Speaker 1: you around your talents, and then drop you behind enemy
Speaker 1: lines and you go do some crazy stuff. What's pretty amazing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So like they would say, Chap, you've got the real
Speaker 1: neck for the bang bang. So they would send them
Speaker 1: to bridge blowing up school exactly, and then then you
Speaker 1: go below up the bridge over the river Quai Man Alright.
Speaker 1: So regardless, everyone went through some of the same basic
Speaker 1: things or maybe everyone at Camp X. Maybe it's so
Speaker 1: secret nobody knows for sure, that's kind of the way
Speaker 1: it is. But everyone would learn things like um kind
Speaker 1: of some basic I guess what I call it basic training,
Speaker 1: but some basic things of sad but were one oh one,
Speaker 1: like how to read a map in a foreign language,
Speaker 1: how to draw a map to lead someone to where
Speaker 1: you need to be, um, how to take a guy
Speaker 1: out with your bare hands, how to fire a gun
Speaker 1: in the dark, how to put together a gun in
Speaker 1: the dark and fire it in the dark using something
Speaker 1: that I've never heard of called instinctive gun fighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's where rather than saying like freeze bad guy
Speaker 1: and getting down on one knee and closing one eye
Speaker 1: and looking down the sights and pretty much yeah, like
Speaker 1: the streets of San Francisco or something, right, you just
Speaker 1: you're running and shooting. You're not even using the sites.
Speaker 1: You just are are using basically your hand as your guide. Um,
Speaker 1: and you're shooting people at a distance of at least
Speaker 1: twenty ft and like you said, oftentimes in the dark.
Speaker 1: And this may all come as part of the training.
Speaker 1: After you've been dropped off in an abandoned farmhouse told
Speaker 1: to find a bag of gun parts and put it
Speaker 1: together in the dark and come out shooting. What was
Speaker 1: that deal in that? Like seventies cop shows where they
Speaker 1: would hold their wrist to study their gun hand you
Speaker 1: wanted to steady your your shooting hand. I know, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that was I mean, you study it.
Speaker 1: I gotta how to shoot a pistol. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was ever like that officially. Maybe it's to
Speaker 1: keep the recoil from throwing your aim off. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I think it's for all that, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was ever the proper way, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It seems like it's like specifically a TV thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like Aaron Spelling was like, try this, hold your hold
Speaker 1: your wrist, yeah, do that from now on. Karl Malden
Speaker 1: was like, uh, some of the other I mean this
Speaker 1: training there by all accounts, you send an article from
Speaker 1: a guy who was actually there. It sounded like some
Speaker 1: of the most hardcore training you could go through. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This guy named um Andrew Andy Durovich UM. He was
Speaker 1: a Canadian Hungarian UM guy. He was actually in his
Speaker 1: thirties when he went through Camp X training and he
Speaker 1: wrote a book about his experience and he he was
Speaker 1: a great source of a lot of UM this information
Speaker 1: of of what it was like to go train there.
Speaker 1: But he was the guy who was saying that you
Speaker 1: would UM there were. There was not only like daytime maneuvers,
Speaker 1: there were nighttime maneuvers as well. And while you were there,
Speaker 1: you were basically training the entire time, like you didn't
Speaker 1: if you had, you know, a class on um where
Speaker 1: to kick somebody in the testicles in one building, and
Speaker 1: then you had another building and outbuilding where you went
Speaker 1: to go learn how to mess with plastic explosives. You
Speaker 1: didn't walk from one building to the next building. They
Speaker 1: gave you an assignment to get to the other building
Speaker 1: without being seen by you know, this guy who was
Speaker 1: trying to find you, I think it was. It was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very very well put Chuckfoli. Immersive and apparently
Speaker 1: the whole thing started off the moment you got there
Speaker 1: with a welcome reception. Yeah. So they these guys, uh,
Speaker 1: this particular group that Andy, he went by Andy Daniels
Speaker 1: that he was with. Uh, like you said, we're Hungarian.
Speaker 1: So they kind of had a little Hungarian spread of
Speaker 1: food and they made him feel welcome, had Hungarian wine
Speaker 1: and they all got kind of drunk and they all
Speaker 1: just thought this was just like a nice thing they
Speaker 1: were doing. But that was even part of the training
Speaker 1: because you had to be trained to be able to
Speaker 1: go undercover and drink with the the enemy and still
Speaker 1: keep your wits right because and I read actually another
Speaker 1: account by Andy Darovitch that after he went through Camp
Speaker 1: X and was trained on a secret mission, he was
Speaker 1: approached by some of the like a German intelligence officer
Speaker 1: who was working undercover I think in Cairo, and they
Speaker 1: were trying to drink each other under the table to
Speaker 1: get them one another to reveal information. And he said
Speaker 1: he ended up winning that battle some of the uh,
Speaker 1: some of the German intelligence officers comrades came and got
Speaker 1: him because he drank him literally under the table. Uh.
Speaker 1: What are some of the things they would do? They
Speaker 1: would say, oh, I don't know. Um, go to the
Speaker 1: edge of a cliff and say, all right, you have
Speaker 1: to jump off of that into the water. Uh, swim
Speaker 1: back to shore and climb back up from a rope.
Speaker 1: And they get through doing all this and they get
Speaker 1: to the top and then they say do it again, right,
Speaker 1: like when they're at their most exhausted. They would push
Speaker 1: these men, and that there were only men being trained.
Speaker 1: Women did play a part, which we'll get to, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they would push them to their breaking point. And then
Speaker 1: keep pushing them because they were doing things so important
Speaker 1: and so convert there. It was survival training. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think the the impression I have also is that
Speaker 1: they were basically going on the concept of muscle memory,
Speaker 1: where if you do something enough times, it becomes second
Speaker 1: nature to you. So they were drilling them and everything
Speaker 1: they taught them so that you you just did it
Speaker 1: automatically in any condition. Yeah, you said they always use
Speaker 1: live mm. Oh. They also requested, uh, a very large
Speaker 1: see through bullet proof screen so they could just stand
Speaker 1: there and like fire bullets at these dudes. I didn't
Speaker 1: get the point of this other than it was probably cool.
Speaker 1: Oh No. I think the point is to to desensitize
Speaker 1: you too, having a gun pointed and shot at your face,
Speaker 1: so you know what that feels like, right, But do
Speaker 1: you need to know what that feels like, because if
Speaker 1: if you're standing there and somebody shoots you in the face,
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be desensitized forever by that, you know, now,
Speaker 1: I think at the point, I think at the point
Speaker 1: is uh, I don't know where that came from. Was
Speaker 1: it's just uh, yeah, just to like, I mean, have
Speaker 1: you ever had a gun pointed in your face. Well, sure,
Speaker 1: plenty of times it was never fired. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I think the point is just to make them steally
Speaker 1: their nerves like native steel. Now I got it. And
Speaker 1: the the dude who who wrote the Camp X official
Speaker 1: site book, he basically said the reason why they were
Speaker 1: using live fire was like you, you knew that they
Speaker 1: weren't going to shoot you, but there was a possibility
Speaker 1: that you could still dry by accident, and that, you know,
Speaker 1: it lent itself to the seriousness of your training, but
Speaker 1: it also kind of made you mad, and and you
Speaker 1: were you were they were trying to push your buttons
Speaker 1: and seeing how much you would keep your head and
Speaker 1: that was kind of along the lines also getting you
Speaker 1: super drunk to see if you would talk, how how
Speaker 1: how boastful you were when you were super drunk, or
Speaker 1: something like that. So they were messing with you psychologically
Speaker 1: as much as training you physically too. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: wasn't just training and like how to how to karate
Speaker 1: chop the dude, or how to sneak up behind someone
Speaker 1: and just gingerly strangle them to the ground, although they
Speaker 1: did all that for sure, Um, they also did uh
Speaker 1: fake well kind of barely fake um expeditions. They would
Speaker 1: go out and steal a train and it's not set
Speaker 1: up like they would steal a train in Canada. Uh.
Speaker 1: And in one case, they stole the train, got on board,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, do you know how to drive this thing?
Speaker 1: And everyone said no. They said, well let's get it
Speaker 1: going anyway. They got it going, We're going down the track,
Speaker 1: realized it didn't know how to switch it, saw an
Speaker 1: oncoming train, and all bailed off the train. Luckily they
Speaker 1: did not collide. They just kind of slowly came to
Speaker 1: a stop and kind of bumped one another, which is
Speaker 1: but it really could have gone another way, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they would do like, uh, they wouldn't blow up
Speaker 1: a bridge, but they would set it up with fake
Speaker 1: explosives as if they were going to blow it up. Uh.
Speaker 1: And occasionally doing all this stuff, they would running foul
Speaker 1: of the law and get arrested. And then you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of like, uh, exactly what you would think,
Speaker 1: like mission impossible or something. Pretty soon someone comes along
Speaker 1: behind you that says to the officer, they're part of
Speaker 1: the war effort. You don't need to ask any questions.
Speaker 1: They're coming with me, just forget, forget everything that happened tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want your family survived? Well, then you didn't
Speaker 1: see any of this. Well they even that was where
Speaker 1: they used their special insider code. Is that correct? Well,
Speaker 1: there was one guy who was arrested. Um, he was
Speaker 1: caught by police. I'm not quite sure what he was doing. Um,
Speaker 1: but he had basically undertaken a self appointed mission and
Speaker 1: had been caught by the real cops. And he said,
Speaker 1: just get in touch with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Speaker 1: and tell them. I said, s T dash one dash one.
Speaker 1: Remember that was the Mounties code for that camp, Camp X.
Speaker 1: And apparently within a very short time a Mountie official
Speaker 1: showed up, whisked the guy off and said this didn't
Speaker 1: have into the to the local police. Yeah, and this well,
Speaker 1: we also got to keep in mind this was a
Speaker 1: local cop in Ontario in the nineteen forties, right, so
Speaker 1: he was probably like, oh, no problem, he wanted no trouble. Right.
Speaker 1: So there were um some pretty interesting people that came
Speaker 1: through Camp X, both as trainees and instructors. One guy,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Bill Brooker. He served as a commandant of
Speaker 1: Camp X. He wasn't the first one, but apparently he
Speaker 1: was the one who had the largest legacy there, and
Speaker 1: he he was a strict military disciplinarian, but he also
Speaker 1: was totally cool with unorthodox training methods. Yeah, like breaking
Speaker 1: into a classroom, uh, shooting guns? Right, and then well,
Speaker 1: not him, you know himself. Maybe he did. Maybe he
Speaker 1: played along sending dudes in there with guns to to
Speaker 1: shoot bullets, live rounds, and then dash out and then
Speaker 1: come back in and say, all right, well, describe all
Speaker 1: of these guys, what they look like, what were they wearing,
Speaker 1: what do they smell like? Yeah, not just survive, but
Speaker 1: now you need to learn how to keep your head
Speaker 1: during a shootout. Yeah, And then that he would leave
Speaker 1: and they would get back to learning how to kick
Speaker 1: a man in the testicles. Well, speaking of such, Major
Speaker 1: Dan Fairbaron Uh, Terry thought that was funny. Actually, um,
Speaker 1: because Jerry didn't have testicles. Nothing funny about it. No,
Speaker 1: I can't kick her in the testicles. And I got
Speaker 1: wrecked the other day for the first time, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, thirty years. It's the worst feeling. There's nothing
Speaker 1: else like it either, I know. I was trying to
Speaker 1: tell Emily. I was like, it's such a specific pain
Speaker 1: that you can't describe it. It's uh, it's indescribable. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely a unique thing that you just you have
Speaker 1: to experience it yourself. But luckily for her that will
Speaker 1: never happen. Oh, I'm sorry that happened to you. That's okay,
Speaker 1: blame my daughter. Um, I was gonna ask that's how
Speaker 1: it happens. So fair Bairn was Um. He was a
Speaker 1: policeman in Shanghai, which that probably means in the nineteen
Speaker 1: forties you're a tough dude, I would say. Uh. And
Speaker 1: he was in charge not too long at Camp X
Speaker 1: of close combat training. But apparently he kind of set
Speaker 1: the standard for um brutality in battle because his his
Speaker 1: uh I guess what do you want to call it?
Speaker 1: His credo or whatever was the nothing is out of bounds,
Speaker 1: kick a guy and the testicles, throw a chair at him,
Speaker 1: hot coffee in his face. Um, whatever you have to
Speaker 1: do to disable and kill this guy as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: that's what you should do. And and quietly if you can,
Speaker 1: Like maybe throwing a chair was not your first step, Like,
Speaker 1: don't kill him with a tambourine if you can, right,
Speaker 1: and apparently this guy's thing was again kicking him in
Speaker 1: the testicles. And then you go for like an orifice, right,
Speaker 1: you jam your fingers and their ears, their eyes or
Speaker 1: something like that, or up their nose to just further
Speaker 1: distract them on top of the pain of being kicked
Speaker 1: in the testicles, and then you you just had them
Speaker 1: where you wanted them, which was by the throat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was no Uh, he'd never heard of the words
Speaker 1: fighting dirty, you know. Reading this, reading that part about
Speaker 1: Fairburn though, in particular, really drove on me that like
Speaker 1: these guys were like like these were they were killing people,
Speaker 1: like people were dying, were being trained to kill people.
Speaker 1: And you know, with the hindsight of history and just
Speaker 1: being seventy years removed from this stuff and the fact
Speaker 1: that it's just so fascinating, I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're a huge peacenick. It's still super
Speaker 1: fascinating to learn about. But you realize every once in
Speaker 1: a while just how removed from reality you are when
Speaker 1: you're reading about it today, and that, yeah, these guys
Speaker 1: are being trained to kill and then went on to
Speaker 1: kill other people. Yeah it was Nazi, so really, you know,
Speaker 1: but they were still killing human beings. And it really
Speaker 1: that part drove it home to me. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it sounds like I think this is the coolest thing ever,
Speaker 1: So I know what you're talking about. But um, they
Speaker 1: were Nazi, so I don't feel too bad. Um. Another
Speaker 1: guy was um Bill Bonnaman. He was uh, he was
Speaker 1: a guy who he he led a lot of efforts
Speaker 1: to create the espionage Organization in the US and helped
Speaker 1: establish Camp X to begin with. And even though he
Speaker 1: never worked for the CIA, he was one of the
Speaker 1: the biggest voices kind of lobbying to establish it. He
Speaker 1: worked for the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services, which
Speaker 1: I believe came it grew out of the Office of
Speaker 1: the Coordinator of Information, which is set up to Liai's
Speaker 1: with the British Security Coordinator. Right. Um. But once they,
Speaker 1: once the US centered the war, they set up the
Speaker 1: Office of Strategic Services and they and that became the CIA.
Speaker 1: And while Bill Donovan is just a legend, like even
Speaker 1: though he didn't work for the CIA, he's he's very
Speaker 1: much considered the father of the CIA. He was America's
Speaker 1: first spook. Yeah, and you know, a lot of actually
Speaker 1: a lot of the graduates. They either went on to
Speaker 1: further train people or a lot of them did go
Speaker 1: on to work for the CIA afterward. Yeah. Um, but
Speaker 1: Gustav Biela was I think my favorite dude. Um. I
Speaker 1: read up on him and he supposedly was the best
Speaker 1: that they ever had at Camp X. Yeah. He was
Speaker 1: French Canadian. As as Grabster puts it, he was an
Speaker 1: exemplary student of sabotage and resistance coordination. That's a good
Speaker 1: way to put it, Yeah, which means he was a
Speaker 1: tough guy. Right. So he parachuted behind German lines in France,
Speaker 1: landed on a rock and injured his spine. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just gotta walk it off and continued on. I
Speaker 1: think that was one of the first things that happened
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. He would, uh and this is all
Speaker 1: always covert, you know, like you said, be behind end
Speaker 1: the lines, and he would recruit locals and kind of
Speaker 1: assemble his own little forced him from Navaron Um and
Speaker 1: like or organized the French resistance and like take these
Speaker 1: farmers and all of a sudden they're blowing up bridges
Speaker 1: under his command. Right, do you remember um? In the
Speaker 1: DV Cooper episode Barbara Dayton yes, who was who was
Speaker 1: born Robert Dayton during World War Two? That's what Robert
Speaker 1: Dayton was doing. But I think in like Burma. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like parachuting behind enemy lines and finding out
Speaker 1: who was mad at the Japanese and assembling guerrilla armies
Speaker 1: training them. This is that's what this dude was doing.
Speaker 1: But I think he was doing it in Europe, in France. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: sadly he was captured and um, he was such a
Speaker 1: tough guy. He never broke. Uh. He was tortured for years, uh,
Speaker 1: sent to a concentration camp. He never broke, never talked
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, and the Nazis were so uh. I
Speaker 1: mean they wanted to keep him alive because they knew
Speaker 1: he had the information. And finally the Nazis gave up
Speaker 1: and executed him, which is very sad into his story.
Speaker 1: But he unusually was executed by firing squad, which apparently
Speaker 1: the Nazis didn't really do much. They used piano wire
Speaker 1: and gas um, and apparently the firing squad was a
Speaker 1: sign of their respect for him. Um oh as a
Speaker 1: soldier to you know, to take him out quickly. I
Speaker 1: guess so he Um. That was another thing that jarred
Speaker 1: me too. I was like, oh wow, this guy did that.
Speaker 1: He blew up railroads, he assembled guerrilla armies, and then
Speaker 1: he was captured and executed and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that really happened too. But you had about I think
Speaker 1: if you went from Camp X to the theater of
Speaker 1: war to to die, well, yeah, there were there was
Speaker 1: apparently there was one guards reading about. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if he was trained at Camp X or not, but
Speaker 1: he was a radar specialist and he was sent behind
Speaker 1: uh German lines I think in France again as well,
Speaker 1: to basically to try to infiltrate radar station and check
Speaker 1: out what radar information that the Germans had, and the
Speaker 1: the special operations guys who went in with him were
Speaker 1: under orders to kill that guy rather than allow them
Speaker 1: to be captured to kill their own guy. And supposedly
Speaker 1: this guy was aware of it and had a cyanide
Speaker 1: pill and everything. But this is just one guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess if you were at Camp X, like when
Speaker 1: you went on your mission, they told you you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to come back. You wanna take a break, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it, and we'll finish up with
Speaker 1: a little bit on Hydra radio and the eventual uh
Speaker 1: fate of Camp X. Y. All right, Charles, are you
Speaker 1: ready to round this out? Yeah. Earlier we kind of
Speaker 1: tease that there were some women that did play a
Speaker 1: part in Camp X and while they were not trained
Speaker 1: as sabboteurs, they were a part of the war effort. Specifically, Uh,
Speaker 1: these Canadian women who uh ran well at least helped
Speaker 1: run a radio station housed at Camp X. I wonder
Speaker 1: if they would be considered sabbatusas rather than sabboteurs, you know,
Speaker 1: like a massur in a masseuse. I'll bet I'm right, man.
Speaker 1: You know, we had someone right in and tell us
Speaker 1: masseus is offensive. Oh really yeah, massage therapists or nothing. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: massage therapists. Uh. We certainly weren't trying to degrade the
Speaker 1: profession in any way to go ahead and apologize to
Speaker 1: the sabbatosa is out there as well. So uh, as
Speaker 1: we mentioned, there was a radio station, Hydra radio UM
Speaker 1: and communications were gathering intelligence. Sending intelligence was a big,
Speaker 1: big part of the war, um uh for the Allies,
Speaker 1: well for both sides obviously. But you couldn't just build
Speaker 1: a radio station because equipment was scarce. Uh, everything was
Speaker 1: scarce during the war, so they kind of cobbled together
Speaker 1: from private companies and citizens themselves radio station, right, so,
Speaker 1: and apparently some of the Canadians that they requisition parts
Speaker 1: to create this radio station, which was codenamed Hydra because
Speaker 1: of all the antenna that came out top of it.
Speaker 1: They nicknamed it Hydra, and I guess that became its
Speaker 1: code name. Um. It was a serious state of the
Speaker 1: art radio station that they put together. Um. But they
Speaker 1: actually had the people whose radio equipment they requisition come
Speaker 1: work at Camp X at the at the Project Hydra
Speaker 1: radio station. You know, there's some hams in there for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. You know they kept it clean, they did.
Speaker 1: But this is where the women played a part. These
Speaker 1: Canadian women basically helped operate Hydra and I think kind
Speaker 1: of headed it up. And they could not stay there
Speaker 1: because the barracks weren't equipped, uh for forbid and women
Speaker 1: to both stay there, So they stayed with local families nearby.
Speaker 1: They were picked up and dropped off for work each
Speaker 1: day and weren't really a part of the rest of
Speaker 1: the camp, but really provided a valuable service for communications
Speaker 1: for Camp X during the war. It kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of like, um, the Hidden Figures story. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: You know they operated the rockets machine. Yeah, I looked
Speaker 1: at that. Did you see the picture of that thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was it was It basically should have been like
Speaker 1: Danger Will Robinson. It was huge and clunky, but UH
Speaker 1: encoded and decoded automatically transmissions that were coming in and
Speaker 1: out of the hydro radio station. And they weren't they
Speaker 1: weren't decoding like captured or intercepted UM access radio transmissions.
Speaker 1: But they could take them and bounce them over to
Speaker 1: Bletchley Park, Betchley Park Man, that's tough to say, is
Speaker 1: it Betchley or Bletchley Park? Um, I got that part right,
Speaker 1: UH for decoding, And apparently they would also relay transmissions
Speaker 1: from Washington from Roosevelt for UM Winston Churchill to read.
Speaker 1: There's an unknown secret bedroom at Park where Winston Churchill
Speaker 1: would sleep and he would read transmissions in real time
Speaker 1: from from UH from Roosevelt. And they were basically strategizing
Speaker 1: the war through this, and they were these transmissions were
Speaker 1: going through the hydro radio stations. It played a huge,
Speaker 1: hugely important role in World War two. That's awesome. So
Speaker 1: the war finished, and actually before the war was even finished,
Speaker 1: Camp X closed. It didn't even see through to the
Speaker 1: end of the war. Close in April, basically because they
Speaker 1: as ed puts that their work was done. It kind
Speaker 1: of satisfied its mission. Um, those people needed elsewhere, so
Speaker 1: they closed up shop. Um. They don't know how many people.
Speaker 1: How many men went through there, uh, it says because
Speaker 1: it was also secret, you know, and they kind of
Speaker 1: destroyed a lot of the records. UM. But you know,
Speaker 1: it varies from a few hundred to a few thousand,
Speaker 1: depending on who you're gonna ask. Apparently it was kind
Speaker 1: of in vogue to um to lie having trained there,
Speaker 1: How are you going to disprove that sucker can't? The
Speaker 1: buildings were still there though, like Camp X remained UM.
Speaker 1: And over the years it was used for various things.
Speaker 1: I was used in the Cold War, they tried to
Speaker 1: kind of repurpose it, um, which not a bad idea. No.
Speaker 1: Then actually they used it to interrogate a defector in
Speaker 1: the Cold War. Apparently, right after World War Two there
Speaker 1: was a cipher clerk, a cryptologist named Igor Guezenko. Kuzenko
Speaker 1: I added an extra syllable, I think, and he left
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and headed to Canada, made a lot
Speaker 1: of info with them. So the Canadians and the Americans
Speaker 1: both interrogated him at Camp X, the Bannon Camp X building,
Speaker 1: because it was so secure. Yeah, they went on. The
Speaker 1: Canadian military took over hydra and they continued to use
Speaker 1: that during the Cold War. Uh, we'll continue through World
Speaker 1: War two, um as Japan kind of hung in there,
Speaker 1: and then eventually in the Cold War. But then by
Speaker 1: nine nine, of course, all that advanced equipment was no
Speaker 1: longer advanced. Uh, and so it was decommissioned and sold off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Kind of an ignag ignoble. Yeah, and to this thing
Speaker 1: that had played such a huge role. Did you say
Speaker 1: that they bulldozed it? Well, no, that was just the
Speaker 1: hydro station. In the end, they bulldozed what was left
Speaker 1: of the buildings because they rightly said, you know, there
Speaker 1: might be some unexploded munitions there. Uh, and that's dangerous,
Speaker 1: so let's just bulldoze it into Lake Ontario. Is this
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies? Can't you see them doing the hard
Speaker 1: head just walking away like dusting off his hands, like
Speaker 1: job well done. You can't see can't see it anymore?
Speaker 1: So it's fine that there's a saying in the construction business.
Speaker 1: I can't see it from my house. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like if you mess something up from my house. That's
Speaker 1: so construction guy, isn't it. They also have another saying,
Speaker 1: which is I'm not gonna show up when I say
Speaker 1: i'm going to, and I'm gonna charge way more than
Speaker 1: I said I would. That was a little clumsy. So
Speaker 1: can you imagine though, I mean, this stuff, I guess
Speaker 1: in theory is still sitting at the bottom of Lake
Speaker 1: Ontario somewhere. Yeah, we kind of need to explore that.
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised no one has, you know, I bet
Speaker 1: just someone has. Yeah, maybe there's a park there. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a plaque that commemorates It's called in Trepid Park.
Speaker 1: So William Stevenson, the guy who probably inspired James Bond,
Speaker 1: apparently after the war, he got into Ham Radio himself
Speaker 1: and he he used this self proclaimed code name in Trepid,
Speaker 1: So it's called in Trepid Park after him, and um,
Speaker 1: there's a plaque it says some crazy stuff went on here,
Speaker 1: especiically like the boulder they show at the end of
Speaker 1: Red Dawn, you know, except this is in Canada in
Speaker 1: Red Dawn because apparently in Michigan or not Michigan is
Speaker 1: in Colorado. I always thought it was Michigan because of
Speaker 1: the Wolverines thing. Oh, I think I always thought it
Speaker 1: was like Oregon or something. No, I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 1: was Colorado. Yeah, there you have it. They got Jet's
Speaker 1: dead car. Wait, it wasn't it. Who was the other?
Speaker 1: Who's the guy who who betrayed them all? Darryl? Darryl.
Speaker 1: They're in Darryll's dad's car. Man. I was so mad
Speaker 1: at Darryll, I know, but didn't she just feel for
Speaker 1: him too at the same time. It's just I was
Speaker 1: torn and I was really horrible. Yeah. Well, if you
Speaker 1: want them more about Darryl from Red Dawn or Camp
Speaker 1: X or anything like that, you should type those words
Speaker 1: in the search part how stuff works dot Com. Since
Speaker 1: I said search parts time for a listener, Mayo, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call this the subject line that the author himself
Speaker 1: called it wild inaccuracies in Champagne episode. But I love
Speaker 1: you anyways, uh dearest Josh and Chuck, Hi, guys, I
Speaker 1: love your show and all that stuff. As a Champagne professional,
Speaker 1: though in former Sam Alia. You can just imagine my
Speaker 1: thrill about the champagne episode. In fact, the house I
Speaker 1: worked for, uh ren Not was the very first established
Speaker 1: cha house to ever sell the stuff in se Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I knew that the champagne like experts would find some faults.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, though, No,
Speaker 1: not too bad. He even said that we got most
Speaker 1: of it right. I think this was a she. Oh
Speaker 1: was it? I think Lacey? So sorry lazy? Um. I
Speaker 1: guess Lacey could be a guy. Could be a strange
Speaker 1: name for a guy though maybe so. I know that, Chuck,
Speaker 1: because I responded to Lacey and said, so you call
Speaker 1: us out on all this, and you're the brand ambassador
Speaker 1: for Ruin Art and you don't offer us free champagne.
Speaker 1: You probably have some coming, right, Yep, we got some coming.
Speaker 1: I got some some champagne coming. Well, you can have
Speaker 1: it all, buddy. Awesome. Um, So, first and foremost, guys,
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of it, correct, Chuck, Your accent
Speaker 1: is pretty good. You basically nailed reams, Josh. I was
Speaker 1: so glad you love the bubbly as much as I do.
Speaker 1: That counts for a lot, Chuck, serious disappointment here because
Speaker 1: you have always been my favorite best laugh ever. Guess
Speaker 1: it's Josh, now it is. It is true, Chuck, you
Speaker 1: have a pretty great laugh. This is an emotional role
Speaker 1: or coaster. I gotta tell you. The most glaring and
Speaker 1: hilarious of all mistakes, though, is the whole Champagne grapes.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's seven, not three, must get crushed
Speaker 1: by feet. Champagne does not get pressed by feet, not
Speaker 1: at all. And actually she's wrong there. That is not
Speaker 1: true because I looked it up and there are still
Speaker 1: some houses that crushed some champagne by feet. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was spending my time focused on getting
Speaker 1: free champagne rather than correcting her. But I I remember
Speaker 1: seeing that too. It's not like we just made that upright,
Speaker 1: she said. She double checked with her chef Dekav and
Speaker 1: he said, that's so ridiculous. Press machine is mandatory. I
Speaker 1: don't know what accent that was that was not. Below
Speaker 1: is a link from the official Champagne website For more info,
Speaker 1: ah you can also look up press cookar on YouTube. Also,
Speaker 1: essentially no one riddles by hand these days. Talk about
Speaker 1: carpal tunnel syndrome. Most houses large and small use a
Speaker 1: gyro pellette, only a few tiny producers hand real, a
Speaker 1: few coveys or large formats. Um. Finally, I doubt you
Speaker 1: can find a decent champagne for under twenty or sorry
Speaker 1: for twenty year under. I'd say it starts at forty whatever. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty darn good and entertaining episode. As always,
Speaker 1: thanks for spreading mostly accurate information about my favorite subject
Speaker 1: XO XO Lacey. Well, thanks for that, Lacey, And we're
Speaker 1: looking forward to this champagne, aren't we, Chuck, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Lacey Burke and um, she's in uh New York And
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a brand ambassador for Maison Runar
Speaker 1: and also heard back I forgot to shout it out
Speaker 1: my buddy Robbie and his launch Vine and Pierce and
Speaker 1: Meer Wines. He was like, did you shout me out
Speaker 1: because getting some orders that. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love to hear that. And he said we did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job too. So for these very specific,
Speaker 1: very complex industries, if we get right, I feel like
Speaker 1: we've done her jobs. Um, I want to say somebody
Speaker 1: else combined the Champagne episode and the food fads up
Speaker 1: his Owdan rode in to say, you guys should try
Speaker 1: champagne jello shots. Ah, that's jellow shot. I might try. Okay, there,
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