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Speaker 1: That's right, And Buddy, I am happy to be doing

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Speaker 1: another grabst article. Getting him back in the fold has

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Speaker 1: I think that we should see if Noel can whip

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Speaker 1: we do a grab star article. What do you think? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: well we'll see Grabsters in the metal maybe it can

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Speaker 1: it lent itself to the seriousness of your training, but

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00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: it also kind of made you mad, and and you

429
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: were you were they were trying to push your buttons

430
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: and seeing how much you would keep your head and

431
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: that was kind of along the lines also getting you

432
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: super drunk to see if you would talk, how how

433
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: how boastful you were when you were super drunk, or

434
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: something like that. So they were messing with you psychologically

435
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: as much as training you physically too. Yeah, And it

436
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: wasn't just training and like how to how to karate

437
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: chop the dude, or how to sneak up behind someone

438
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: and just gingerly strangle them to the ground, although they

439
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: did all that for sure, Um, they also did uh

440
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: fake well kind of barely fake um expeditions. They would

441
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: go out and steal a train and it's not set

442
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: up like they would steal a train in Canada. Uh.

443
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: And in one case, they stole the train, got on board,

444
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: everyone was like, do you know how to drive this thing?

445
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: And everyone said no. They said, well let's get it

446
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: going anyway. They got it going, We're going down the track,

447
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: realized it didn't know how to switch it, saw an

448
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: oncoming train, and all bailed off the train. Luckily they

449
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: did not collide. They just kind of slowly came to

450
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: a stop and kind of bumped one another, which is

451
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: but it really could have gone another way, you know. Yeah,

452
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: but they would do like, uh, they wouldn't blow up

453
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: a bridge, but they would set it up with fake

454
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: explosives as if they were going to blow it up. Uh.

455
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: And occasionally doing all this stuff, they would running foul

456
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: of the law and get arrested. And then you know,

457
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of like, uh, exactly what you would think,

458
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: like mission impossible or something. Pretty soon someone comes along

459
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: behind you that says to the officer, they're part of

460
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: the war effort. You don't need to ask any questions.

461
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: They're coming with me, just forget, forget everything that happened tonight. Yeah,

462
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: do you want your family survived? Well, then you didn't

463
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: see any of this. Well they even that was where

464
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: they used their special insider code. Is that correct? Well,

465
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: there was one guy who was arrested. Um, he was

466
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: caught by police. I'm not quite sure what he was doing. Um,

467
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: but he had basically undertaken a self appointed mission and

468
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: had been caught by the real cops. And he said,

469
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: just get in touch with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

470
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: and tell them. I said, s T dash one dash one.

471
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: Remember that was the Mounties code for that camp, Camp X.

472
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: And apparently within a very short time a Mountie official

473
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: showed up, whisked the guy off and said this didn't

474
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: have into the to the local police. Yeah, and this well,

475
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: we also got to keep in mind this was a

476
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: local cop in Ontario in the nineteen forties, right, so

477
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: he was probably like, oh, no problem, he wanted no trouble. Right.

478
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: So there were um some pretty interesting people that came

479
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: through Camp X, both as trainees and instructors. One guy,

480
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Bill Brooker. He served as a commandant of

481
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Camp X. He wasn't the first one, but apparently he

482
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: was the one who had the largest legacy there, and

483
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: he he was a strict military disciplinarian, but he also

484
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: was totally cool with unorthodox training methods. Yeah, like breaking

485
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: into a classroom, uh, shooting guns? Right, and then well,

486
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: not him, you know himself. Maybe he did. Maybe he

487
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: played along sending dudes in there with guns to to

488
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: shoot bullets, live rounds, and then dash out and then

489
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: come back in and say, all right, well, describe all

490
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: of these guys, what they look like, what were they wearing,

491
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: what do they smell like? Yeah, not just survive, but

492
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: now you need to learn how to keep your head

493
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: during a shootout. Yeah, And then that he would leave

494
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: and they would get back to learning how to kick

495
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: a man in the testicles. Well, speaking of such, Major

496
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Dan Fairbaron Uh, Terry thought that was funny. Actually, um,

497
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: because Jerry didn't have testicles. Nothing funny about it. No,

498
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: I can't kick her in the testicles. And I got

499
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: wrecked the other day for the first time, and I

500
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: don't know, thirty years. It's the worst feeling. There's nothing

501
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: else like it either, I know. I was trying to

502
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: tell Emily. I was like, it's such a specific pain

503
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: that you can't describe it. It's uh, it's indescribable. Well, yeah,

504
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: it's definitely a unique thing that you just you have

505
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: to experience it yourself. But luckily for her that will

506
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: never happen. Oh, I'm sorry that happened to you. That's okay,

507
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: blame my daughter. Um, I was gonna ask that's how

508
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: it happens. So fair Bairn was Um. He was a

509
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: policeman in Shanghai, which that probably means in the nineteen

510
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: forties you're a tough dude, I would say. Uh. And

511
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: he was in charge not too long at Camp X

512
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: of close combat training. But apparently he kind of set

513
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: the standard for um brutality in battle because his his

514
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: uh I guess what do you want to call it?

515
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: His credo or whatever was the nothing is out of bounds,

516
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: kick a guy and the testicles, throw a chair at him,

517
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: hot coffee in his face. Um, whatever you have to

518
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: do to disable and kill this guy as quickly as possible,

519
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: that's what you should do. And and quietly if you can,

520
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: Like maybe throwing a chair was not your first step, Like,

521
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: don't kill him with a tambourine if you can, right,

522
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: and apparently this guy's thing was again kicking him in

523
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: the testicles. And then you go for like an orifice, right,

524
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: you jam your fingers and their ears, their eyes or

525
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: something like that, or up their nose to just further

526
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: distract them on top of the pain of being kicked

527
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: in the testicles, and then you you just had them

528
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: where you wanted them, which was by the throat. Yeah,

529
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: there was no Uh, he'd never heard of the words

530
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: fighting dirty, you know. Reading this, reading that part about

531
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Fairburn though, in particular, really drove on me that like

532
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: these guys were like like these were they were killing people,

533
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: like people were dying, were being trained to kill people.

534
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: And you know, with the hindsight of history and just

535
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: being seventy years removed from this stuff and the fact

536
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: that it's just so fascinating, I don't I don't care.

537
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're a huge peacenick. It's still super

538
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: fascinating to learn about. But you realize every once in

539
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: a while just how removed from reality you are when

540
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: you're reading about it today, and that, yeah, these guys

541
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: are being trained to kill and then went on to

542
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: kill other people. Yeah it was Nazi, so really, you know,

543
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: but they were still killing human beings. And it really

544
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: that part drove it home to me. Yeah, I mean

545
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: it sounds like I think this is the coolest thing ever,

546
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: So I know what you're talking about. But um, they

547
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: were Nazi, so I don't feel too bad. Um. Another

548
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: guy was um Bill Bonnaman. He was uh, he was

549
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: a guy who he he led a lot of efforts

550
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: to create the espionage Organization in the US and helped

551
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: establish Camp X to begin with. And even though he

552
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: never worked for the CIA, he was one of the

553
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: the biggest voices kind of lobbying to establish it. He

554
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: worked for the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services, which

555
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I believe came it grew out of the Office of

556
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: the Coordinator of Information, which is set up to Liai's

557
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: with the British Security Coordinator. Right. Um. But once they,

558
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: once the US centered the war, they set up the

559
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Office of Strategic Services and they and that became the CIA.

560
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: And while Bill Donovan is just a legend, like even

561
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: though he didn't work for the CIA, he's he's very

562
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: much considered the father of the CIA. He was America's

563
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: first spook. Yeah, and you know, a lot of actually

564
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the graduates. They either went on to

565
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: further train people or a lot of them did go

566
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: on to work for the CIA afterward. Yeah. Um, but

567
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: Gustav Biela was I think my favorite dude. Um. I

568
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: read up on him and he supposedly was the best

569
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: that they ever had at Camp X. Yeah. He was

570
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: French Canadian. As as Grabster puts it, he was an

571
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: exemplary student of sabotage and resistance coordination. That's a good

572
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: way to put it, Yeah, which means he was a

573
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: tough guy. Right. So he parachuted behind German lines in France,

574
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: landed on a rock and injured his spine. I was like,

575
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I just gotta walk it off and continued on. I

576
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: think that was one of the first things that happened

577
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. He would, uh and this is all

578
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: always covert, you know, like you said, be behind end

579
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: the lines, and he would recruit locals and kind of

580
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: assemble his own little forced him from Navaron Um and

581
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: like or organized the French resistance and like take these

582
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: farmers and all of a sudden they're blowing up bridges

583
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: under his command. Right, do you remember um? In the

584
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: DV Cooper episode Barbara Dayton yes, who was who was

585
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: born Robert Dayton during World War Two? That's what Robert

586
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Dayton was doing. But I think in like Burma. Really yeah,

587
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: he was like parachuting behind enemy lines and finding out

588
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: who was mad at the Japanese and assembling guerrilla armies

589
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: training them. This is that's what this dude was doing.

590
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: But I think he was doing it in Europe, in France. Yeah. Well,

591
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: sadly he was captured and um, he was such a

592
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: tough guy. He never broke. Uh. He was tortured for years, uh,

593
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: sent to a concentration camp. He never broke, never talked

594
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, and the Nazis were so uh. I

595
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: mean they wanted to keep him alive because they knew

596
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: he had the information. And finally the Nazis gave up

597
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: and executed him, which is very sad into his story.

598
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: But he unusually was executed by firing squad, which apparently

599
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: the Nazis didn't really do much. They used piano wire

600
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: and gas um, and apparently the firing squad was a

601
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: sign of their respect for him. Um oh as a

602
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: soldier to you know, to take him out quickly. I

603
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: guess so he Um. That was another thing that jarred

604
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: me too. I was like, oh wow, this guy did that.

605
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: He blew up railroads, he assembled guerrilla armies, and then

606
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: he was captured and executed and I was like, oh, yeah,

607
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: that really happened too. But you had about I think

608
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: if you went from Camp X to the theater of

609
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: war to to die, well, yeah, there were there was

610
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: apparently there was one guards reading about. I'm not sure

611
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: if he was trained at Camp X or not, but

612
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: he was a radar specialist and he was sent behind

613
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: uh German lines I think in France again as well,

614
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: to basically to try to infiltrate radar station and check

615
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: out what radar information that the Germans had, and the

616
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: the special operations guys who went in with him were

617
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: under orders to kill that guy rather than allow them

618
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: to be captured to kill their own guy. And supposedly

619
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: this guy was aware of it and had a cyanide

620
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: pill and everything. But this is just one guy. Yeah,

621
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I guess if you were at Camp X, like when

622
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: you went on your mission, they told you you're probably

623
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: not going to come back. You wanna take a break, Yeah,

624
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it, and we'll finish up with

625
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: a little bit on Hydra radio and the eventual uh

626
00:36:49,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: fate of Camp X. Y. All right, Charles, are you

627
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: ready to round this out? Yeah. Earlier we kind of

628
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: tease that there were some women that did play a

629
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: part in Camp X and while they were not trained

630
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: as sabboteurs, they were a part of the war effort. Specifically, Uh,

631
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: these Canadian women who uh ran well at least helped

632
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: run a radio station housed at Camp X. I wonder

633
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: if they would be considered sabbatusas rather than sabboteurs, you know,

634
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: like a massur in a masseuse. I'll bet I'm right, man.

635
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: You know, we had someone right in and tell us

636
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: masseus is offensive. Oh really yeah, massage therapists or nothing. Okay, sorry,

637
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: massage therapists. Uh. We certainly weren't trying to degrade the

638
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: profession in any way to go ahead and apologize to

639
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: the sabbatosa is out there as well. So uh, as

640
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: we mentioned, there was a radio station, Hydra radio UM

641
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: and communications were gathering intelligence. Sending intelligence was a big,

642
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: big part of the war, um uh for the Allies,

643
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: well for both sides obviously. But you couldn't just build

644
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: a radio station because equipment was scarce. Uh, everything was

645
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: scarce during the war, so they kind of cobbled together

646
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: from private companies and citizens themselves radio station, right, so,

647
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: and apparently some of the Canadians that they requisition parts

648
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: to create this radio station, which was codenamed Hydra because

649
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: of all the antenna that came out top of it.

650
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: They nicknamed it Hydra, and I guess that became its

651
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: code name. Um. It was a serious state of the

652
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: art radio station that they put together. Um. But they

653
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: actually had the people whose radio equipment they requisition come

654
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: work at Camp X at the at the Project Hydra

655
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: radio station. You know, there's some hams in there for sure.

656
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: For sure. You know they kept it clean, they did.

657
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: But this is where the women played a part. These

658
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Canadian women basically helped operate Hydra and I think kind

659
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: of headed it up. And they could not stay there

660
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: because the barracks weren't equipped, uh for forbid and women

661
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: to both stay there, So they stayed with local families nearby.

662
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: They were picked up and dropped off for work each

663
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: day and weren't really a part of the rest of

664
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Speaker 1: the camp, but really provided a valuable service for communications

665
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: for Camp X during the war. It kind of reminded

666
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: me of like, um, the Hidden Figures story. Yeah, for sure.

667
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: You know they operated the rockets machine. Yeah, I looked

668
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: at that. Did you see the picture of that thing? Yeah?

669
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: It was it was It basically should have been like

670
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: Danger Will Robinson. It was huge and clunky, but UH

671
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: encoded and decoded automatically transmissions that were coming in and

672
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: out of the hydro radio station. And they weren't they

673
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: weren't decoding like captured or intercepted UM access radio transmissions.

674
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: But they could take them and bounce them over to

675
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Bletchley Park, Betchley Park Man, that's tough to say, is

676
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: it Betchley or Bletchley Park? Um, I got that part right,

677
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: UH for decoding, And apparently they would also relay transmissions

678
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: from Washington from Roosevelt for UM Winston Churchill to read.

679
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: There's an unknown secret bedroom at Park where Winston Churchill

680
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: would sleep and he would read transmissions in real time

681
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: from from UH from Roosevelt. And they were basically strategizing

682
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: the war through this, and they were these transmissions were

683
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: going through the hydro radio stations. It played a huge,

684
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: hugely important role in World War two. That's awesome. So

685
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: the war finished, and actually before the war was even finished,

686
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Camp X closed. It didn't even see through to the

687
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: end of the war. Close in April, basically because they

688
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: as ed puts that their work was done. It kind

689
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: of satisfied its mission. Um, those people needed elsewhere, so

690
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: they closed up shop. Um. They don't know how many people.

691
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: How many men went through there, uh, it says because

692
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: it was also secret, you know, and they kind of

693
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: destroyed a lot of the records. UM. But you know,

694
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: it varies from a few hundred to a few thousand,

695
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: depending on who you're gonna ask. Apparently it was kind

696
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: of in vogue to um to lie having trained there,

697
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: How are you going to disprove that sucker can't? The

698
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: buildings were still there though, like Camp X remained UM.

699
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: And over the years it was used for various things.

700
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I was used in the Cold War, they tried to

701
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of repurpose it, um, which not a bad idea. No.

702
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Then actually they used it to interrogate a defector in

703
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: the Cold War. Apparently, right after World War Two there

704
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: was a cipher clerk, a cryptologist named Igor Guezenko. Kuzenko

705
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: I added an extra syllable, I think, and he left

706
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and headed to Canada, made a lot

707
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: of info with them. So the Canadians and the Americans

708
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: both interrogated him at Camp X, the Bannon Camp X building,

709
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: because it was so secure. Yeah, they went on. The

710
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: Canadian military took over hydra and they continued to use

711
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: that during the Cold War. Uh, we'll continue through World

712
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: War two, um as Japan kind of hung in there,

713
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: and then eventually in the Cold War. But then by

714
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: nine nine, of course, all that advanced equipment was no

715
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: longer advanced. Uh, and so it was decommissioned and sold off. Yeah.

716
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Kind of an ignag ignoble. Yeah, and to this thing

717
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: that had played such a huge role. Did you say

718
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: that they bulldozed it? Well, no, that was just the

719
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: hydro station. In the end, they bulldozed what was left

720
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: of the buildings because they rightly said, you know, there

721
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: might be some unexploded munitions there. Uh, and that's dangerous,

722
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: so let's just bulldoze it into Lake Ontario. Is this

723
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies? Can't you see them doing the hard

724
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: head just walking away like dusting off his hands, like

725
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: job well done. You can't see can't see it anymore?

726
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: So it's fine that there's a saying in the construction business.

727
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: I can't see it from my house. Oh yeah, yeah,

728
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: like if you mess something up from my house. That's

729
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: so construction guy, isn't it. They also have another saying,

730
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: which is I'm not gonna show up when I say

731
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: i'm going to, and I'm gonna charge way more than

732
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: I said I would. That was a little clumsy. So

733
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: can you imagine though, I mean, this stuff, I guess

734
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: in theory is still sitting at the bottom of Lake

735
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Ontario somewhere. Yeah, we kind of need to explore that.

736
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised no one has, you know, I bet

737
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: just someone has. Yeah, maybe there's a park there. Now,

738
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: there's a plaque that commemorates It's called in Trepid Park.

739
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: So William Stevenson, the guy who probably inspired James Bond,

740
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: apparently after the war, he got into Ham Radio himself

741
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: and he he used this self proclaimed code name in Trepid,

742
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: So it's called in Trepid Park after him, and um,

743
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: there's a plaque it says some crazy stuff went on here,

744
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: especiically like the boulder they show at the end of

745
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: Red Dawn, you know, except this is in Canada in

746
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Red Dawn because apparently in Michigan or not Michigan is

747
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: in Colorado. I always thought it was Michigan because of

748
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: the Wolverines thing. Oh, I think I always thought it

749
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: was like Oregon or something. No, I'm pretty sure it

750
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: was Colorado. Yeah, there you have it. They got Jet's

751
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: dead car. Wait, it wasn't it. Who was the other?

752
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Who's the guy who who betrayed them all? Darryl? Darryl.

753
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: They're in Darryll's dad's car. Man. I was so mad

754
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: at Darryll, I know, but didn't she just feel for

755
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: him too at the same time. It's just I was

756
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: torn and I was really horrible. Yeah. Well, if you

757
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: want them more about Darryl from Red Dawn or Camp

758
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: X or anything like that, you should type those words

759
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: in the search part how stuff works dot Com. Since

760
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: I said search parts time for a listener, Mayo, I'm

761
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna call this the subject line that the author himself

762
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: called it wild inaccuracies in Champagne episode. But I love

763
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: you anyways, uh dearest Josh and Chuck, Hi, guys, I

764
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: love your show and all that stuff. As a Champagne professional,

765
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: though in former Sam Alia. You can just imagine my

766
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: thrill about the champagne episode. In fact, the house I

767
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: worked for, uh ren Not was the very first established

768
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: cha house to ever sell the stuff in se Um. Yeah.

769
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: I knew that the champagne like experts would find some faults.

770
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, though, No,

771
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: not too bad. He even said that we got most

772
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: of it right. I think this was a she. Oh

773
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: was it? I think Lacey? So sorry lazy? Um. I

774
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: guess Lacey could be a guy. Could be a strange

775
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: name for a guy though maybe so. I know that, Chuck,

776
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: because I responded to Lacey and said, so you call

777
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: us out on all this, and you're the brand ambassador

778
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: for Ruin Art and you don't offer us free champagne.

779
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: You probably have some coming, right, Yep, we got some coming.

780
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I got some some champagne coming. Well, you can have

781
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: it all, buddy. Awesome. Um, So, first and foremost, guys,

782
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of it, correct, Chuck, Your accent

783
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: is pretty good. You basically nailed reams, Josh. I was

784
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: so glad you love the bubbly as much as I do.

785
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: That counts for a lot, Chuck, serious disappointment here because

786
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: you have always been my favorite best laugh ever. Guess

787
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: it's Josh, now it is. It is true, Chuck, you

788
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: have a pretty great laugh. This is an emotional role

789
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: or coaster. I gotta tell you. The most glaring and

790
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: hilarious of all mistakes, though, is the whole Champagne grapes.

791
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: By the way, there's seven, not three, must get crushed

792
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: by feet. Champagne does not get pressed by feet, not

793
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: at all. And actually she's wrong there. That is not

794
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: true because I looked it up and there are still

795
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: some houses that crushed some champagne by feet. That's what

796
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was spending my time focused on getting

797
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: free champagne rather than correcting her. But I I remember

798
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: seeing that too. It's not like we just made that upright,

799
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: she said. She double checked with her chef Dekav and

800
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: he said, that's so ridiculous. Press machine is mandatory. I

801
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: don't know what accent that was that was not. Below

802
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: is a link from the official Champagne website For more info,

803
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: ah you can also look up press cookar on YouTube. Also,

804
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: essentially no one riddles by hand these days. Talk about

805
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: carpal tunnel syndrome. Most houses large and small use a

806
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: gyro pellette, only a few tiny producers hand real, a

807
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: few coveys or large formats. Um. Finally, I doubt you

808
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: can find a decent champagne for under twenty or sorry

809
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: for twenty year under. I'd say it starts at forty whatever. Otherwise,

810
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: it was a pretty darn good and entertaining episode. As always,

811
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: thanks for spreading mostly accurate information about my favorite subject

812
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: XO XO Lacey. Well, thanks for that, Lacey, And we're

813
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: looking forward to this champagne, aren't we, Chuck, Yeah, that's

814
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: Lacey Burke and um, she's in uh New York And

815
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a brand ambassador for Maison Runar

816
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: and also heard back I forgot to shout it out

817
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: my buddy Robbie and his launch Vine and Pierce and

818
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: Meer Wines. He was like, did you shout me out

819
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: because getting some orders that. I was like, oh yeah,

820
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: I love to hear that. And he said we did

821
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good job too. So for these very specific,

822
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: very complex industries, if we get right, I feel like

823
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: we've done her jobs. Um, I want to say somebody

824
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: else combined the Champagne episode and the food fads up

825
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: his Owdan rode in to say, you guys should try

826
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: champagne jello shots. Ah, that's jellow shot. I might try. Okay, there,

827
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: now we've got it. Where this is going to start

828
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: you on the champagne train. If you want to get

829
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: in touch with us, especially if you want to send

830
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: us free champagne, free wine, something like that, you can

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