1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: learned the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: name is Niles. Until you are probably you, we would hope, 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: Let's start to gain with a question. Have you guys, uh, 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: Max Niles, Have you guys ever had an event that 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: you were certain occurred and then later found out that 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: it didn't or people told you it didn't. I had 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: one really recently. I was positive that David Attenborough had died, 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and I was positive that I had mourned his death 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: because I was a huge fan of his, and I 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: thought it was just something that I had dealt with already. 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: And then I saw and reddit, Oh hey, a new 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: David attenborgh thing is out with him discussing animals in 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: the deep who have bioluminescence, and I went, that's weird. 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: I wonder why they would do that or like post 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: mortem put that out. No, No, he never died. He 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: never died at all. He's still alive. Well, that's good 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: to hear. Let's see, that's good for him for sure, 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: what about you? One? So I had a thing, um 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: where I was convinced that there was this promo for 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: a television show that was on MTV, I think probably 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: in the nineties called Liquid Television, and um there was 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: like Eon Flux, like kind of weird anime, and there 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: was weird claimation and strange kind of already animation stuff. 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: I was convinced that this promo existed where it was 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: a guy running up and downstairs while a John Zorne 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: track played. John Zorn is this weirdo saxophone player. It's unmistakable. 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: It's just like blasty, crazy wild sax playing. And I 32 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: couldn't find it. I had a case with a friend 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: of mine about John's Horn, and I was like, yeah, 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: that like with television promo, right, that's when I first 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: discovered John's Orne. And it just doesn't exist. It just 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: does not exist. And but I, you know, it was 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: part of the narrative that I assigned to discovering this artist, 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: and yet it is completely false. So there's an interesting 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,279 Speaker 1: thing that occurs in the situations and in these situations 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: where people say, oh, well, I could have sworn you know, 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: that this the that the reality of what occurred was 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: um was event A sure, and then the rest of 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: the world says, ho, ho, no max event B. And 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: it has always been event be very Orwellian, right, yeah, 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: you know. Build the way I see it, it's it's 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: almost details of an event. A lot of times, like 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: small things, details about a pop culture icon, a line 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: in a film, there are all these things that are 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: coming up where it appears to be distorted slightly. Well, 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: what does what does this mean? There there are several possibilities, right. 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: Number one, The one that occurs most readily to most 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: people is, oh, perhaps we were mistaken, Perhaps we um 53 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: perhaps you know, given the wash and erosion of time 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: and minutes onto the next we are memories of blurred 55 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. And that's very common, and we'll look 56 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: at that as well. Uh. The other one is what 57 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: if people are lying, What if they're gas lighting you? 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: What if this liquid television promo exists and for some 59 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: reason everyone agreed that Niles Brown can never hear this 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: and never see it again, you know, it could just 61 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: get lost in the internet. A lot of times, things 62 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: that happened in you know, prior to a certain time 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: in the two thousands. They just weren't documented very well 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: on the Internet, especially in video. That's at point. But 65 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: I guess I used just I've never not been able 66 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: to find some thing that that, you know, connected to 67 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: some obscure clip that I wanted to find. Someone's ripped 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: a VHS of it. You know, it's on YouTube in 69 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: some forms, even like in Wikipedia pages. Like I was 70 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: like trying to cross reference John Zorne and TV promos 71 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: and Liquid Television, and there was some weird connection where 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: like a guy who did a bunch of cartoons for 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: Liquid Television had worked with John Zorne in a graphic 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: design capacity. But that was the only connection, and you know, 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: it was just totally tangential as far as we know. 76 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: Because this leads us to another possibility, and this is 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: the topic of today's show, which you've written to us 78 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: to request on Facebook, Twitter and well hopefully it was 79 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: you and uh and of course email to some people, 80 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. There's something more cosmic at work behind 81 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: this phenomenon. What if, instead of ordinary human foibles, the 82 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: past appears to be altered because we live in a 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: world of intersecting, parallel universes, of shifting histories of multiple 84 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: mutable realities. What would we call this thing? Yes, this 85 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: is known as the Mandela effect. It was first proposed 86 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: under by this name by this author, Fiona Broom. It 87 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: was at Dragon con here in Atlanta in two thousand 88 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: and five. She was having just a pretty simple conversation 89 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: in a green room hanging out, and I think they 90 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: were talking about Nelson Mandela, and she she realized that 91 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the people she was talking with believed 92 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: that Nelson Mandela had died while he was in prison, 93 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: much in the same way that you believe that David 94 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Attenborough had died in the wilds of Africa, you know. Yes, 95 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: And and she didn't. She knew that he wasn't dead, 96 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: at least she believed that that he wasn't dead in 97 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: her world. Um, and you know, they just discussed a 98 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: little more and they realized that this maybe maybe what 99 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: you know and what I know are different because we're 100 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: in some kind of different time stream, or we experienced 101 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 1: at least a fraction of a different timestream. Yeah, these 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: were these were mostly authors in the group. And I realized, 103 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: I think is a very death definitive word there. I 104 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure that several felt that they did have a realization. 105 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: So although the Mandela Conversation launched, this launched this author's 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: initial investigation. Many of you who have written into us 107 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: or tweeted or facebook uh messages us have referenced instead 108 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: a series of children's books known as the baron Steam 109 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: Bears or should I say the baron Stein. I thought 110 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: it was Bernstein when I grew up, it was Bernstein 111 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: Bears or Bernstein Burrs. Yeah that maybe that was like 112 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: a like a cute kid thing, you know. Yeah, maybe 113 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: that's just how I pronounced it. Or when I saw 114 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: the word, that's what I heard. Uh, yeah, I get 115 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: I can see that. Do you guys remember those books? 116 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: Did you ever read them as a kid? I remember 117 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: the books. I remember the cartoon and the cartoon, you 118 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: know they pronounced it and there's so there's a jingle, 119 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: there's a song and they don't say barren Stain. That's 120 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: at the Barrenstein Bears. That's how they say it. How 121 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: do you remember the jingle? Wait? Is there a video 122 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: of this? What does a matter of fact? I have 123 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: it right here. I can't throw me around. Oh I 124 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: remember that hunting whoa hold on? They say that two 125 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: different ways they did. It's the twang though twang. It's 126 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: it's she said, but it sounds like barn Stain as 127 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: someone from Tennessee. And I can verify that there might 128 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: be as way there. But that's that's an excellent example. 129 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: If you were, like many people, ladies and gentlemen, you 130 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: remember this series of books and shows as the baron 131 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Stein Bears. However, every single example of the books you 132 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: can find, or the messaging that you can find, will 133 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: bear the title baron Stain b E R E N 134 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: S T A I N named after the creators of 135 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: the book series. You know, I wonder if it if 136 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: the idea of barren Stein barn Stain crosses dialect lines. 137 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: So I wonder if anyone who maybe doesn't have an accent, 138 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: a Southern accent, knows it as barren Stain. Just just 139 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: to point out, reading some of the YouTube comments on 140 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: this video, when the hell did it become the barren 141 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: Stain Bears. Reply the Mandal effect, I'm from the E universe. 142 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: I remember when it was the barren Stein Bears. I 143 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: remember it being spelled barren Stein but pronounced barren Stain. See, 144 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just is it a visual cue? Is 145 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: it like it was for me? I think based on 146 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: the theme song. That's how I interpreted it and learned 147 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: it um, you know, hearing it pronounced. But now even 148 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: that is a little bit off. You know, there's a 149 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: lot of different things that can go wrong with your memory, 150 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: and you can really latch on to certain cues and 151 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: feel like they're infallible when in fact they are completely Yeah, 152 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: this is a great example of the personal spin that 153 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: we put on all information that we take in. Right, 154 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: we the lens through which we experience the world, and 155 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: then I think we know things. It's it's all through 156 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: our own lens. I think that's what we're seeing here, 157 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: and to go to to go further there. This stuvetails 158 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: into an example. There's a book by a media analyst 159 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: and a graphic designer, Marshall and mclewin, and when Nam 160 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: Quentin Fiore, who the book is called, well, what I 161 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: thought it was called for a long long time was 162 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: the Medium is the Message and Inventory of Effects. And 163 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: I had a copy of this book on my shelf 164 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: for years and two years and two years, and I 165 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: realized again, years after owning this book that the actual 166 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: title is the medium is the massage. Yeah, it's just 167 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: a small it's a small twist. And in my and 168 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: my view, again going back to Max's point about the 169 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: subjective nature of observation, my view is that I was 170 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: just raw. You know, I know that a lot of 171 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: people don't like to admit that they are wrong. But 172 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: maybe you just didn't know all the facts about Nelson Mandela. 173 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: That is really if we are applying the simplest explanation, 174 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: that would seem to be it. But this effect is 175 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: not limited to the two examples, the two popular examples 176 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: we've mentioned, and the and the personal examples we've mentioned. 177 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: Other examples will touch on things like geography, like the 178 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: number of US states, the size of Scotland and Wales, 179 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:34,479 Speaker 1: the arrangement of archipelagos in h Southeast Asia and Oceanica. 180 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: You can also see examples of touch on chronology. Right, 181 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: so there are people say, well, the Columbi massacre did occur, 182 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: but not in six and so you can go and 183 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: learn more about Broom's theory on the Mandela effect at 184 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: the website that has been maintained to list examples of 185 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: this and then are frequently asked quest page. She defines 186 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: it as real alternate memories of a history that does 187 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: not match with the documented history in this reality. Yeah 188 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: it could be. Yeah, maybe that's what it is. And 189 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: she and and for her part, she also uh doesn't 190 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: claim to know why this occurs, why why this interpretation occurs. 191 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: But there are several theories. So first we have my 192 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: personal favorite alternate realities, this idea that somehow some of 193 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:41,119 Speaker 1: us are experiencing parallel universes where only tiny, little minutia, 194 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: little details are changed, things that you would really really 195 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: have to go super micro on to even see a difference. 196 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Sort of the example of like holding up two photographs 197 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: and there's one little thing that's different in one or 198 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: the other, and you really have to focus in to 199 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: figure out what that thing is. It might be the 200 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: red tie instead of a red tie, even even smaller 201 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: than that, Yeah maybe maybe, Um, which way a shoelace 202 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: is tied? Something like as simple as that, like a 203 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: bar game where you have to do the matching of the 204 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: the pictures and saying which one is different, what color 205 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: is exactly. So, according to this theory, the Mandela effect 206 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: occurs when a person has pulled a If you remember 207 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: the show Sliders, Oh, yeah, yeah, sort of a quantum 208 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: leapy kind of thing, right. Yeah, So in Sliders, they 209 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: are they a group of a group of strangers, young 210 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: attractive strangers. Yeah, most of them are are shuddering between 211 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: or excuse me, sliding between alternate realities in a quest 212 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: to eventually slide back to their their home, their Earth 213 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Earth Prime and on the way, they have a series 214 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: of adventures. So I think you're right. That's very much 215 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: in the same vein as quantum Leap, although really focusing 216 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: more on this alternate reality idea. So, for example, one 217 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: version of a Slider's universe, Jeff peanut Butter might be 218 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: called you know, Jiffy and uh, curious George. That's another one, actually, 219 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: the Jiffy jeff thing, Like, I you know, I think 220 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I think it's an example of confusing or conflating Jiffy 221 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Pop with Jeff peanut butter and then thinking, I know 222 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: it's Jiffy, right, Yeah, yeah, Jeffy is especially for a kid, 223 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: Jeffy is like a fun word to think about more 224 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: than Jeff. It's true. And also, peanut butter is not 225 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: very common outside of the US. We're we're weirdly into 226 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: peanut butter. Peanut butter. So it's so just like the 227 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: thing with a number of US states. If you're not 228 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: in that area of the world, it's easier to make Um, 229 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: it's easier to to be confused about that. Yeah, I do. 230 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: I did notice that a lot of this is US centric, 231 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the Mandel effect. And I wonder, Um, 232 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you're internationally, you live 233 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: somewhere else in the world, if you have examples from 234 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: your you know, or local government, local pop culture, that's 235 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: the thing because it is it is is very much 236 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: tied to a particular experience, a set of a language, 237 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: let's say like a social language of Okay, we've got 238 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: these products that everyone knows about and we're remembering them 239 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: in certain ways. Or another example might be an iconic 240 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: cartoon character or a character from a book like the 241 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: Barrens Team Bears example. Um, I will never not pronounce 242 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: it that way. Um, curious George. So maybe there's a 243 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: version of alternate reality where curious George, you know, had 244 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: a prehensile tail, like all those people who say that 245 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, yeah, or that George Washington had 246 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: wooden teeth, right, right, Yeah, there's all kinds of these things. 247 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: And now we go to another theory, which is um 248 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: one we've looked at in this show before in the past, 249 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: and this is one I always remember that you wrote 250 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: up first. Next. Oh, yes, that's the matrix. I don't know, 251 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: it's just kind of close to my name, Max, I, 252 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's I don't know, it's close to 253 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: my heart. But when I saw the Matrix, it really 254 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: struck a tone with me. And then when I was 255 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: reading about this Mandel effect, I realize, oh, wait a second, 256 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: that would explain a lot of things here from here 257 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: on out, there be spoilers. Okay, I wouldn't want to 258 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: spoil that nine movie the Matrix, right right, because well, 259 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: if if you have read Plato's allegory of the Cave, 260 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: you were already spoiled. The crux of that of the 261 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: program goes. But as you were saying, so, this theory 262 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: states that what we are actually experienced experiencing when we 263 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: have these beliefs or thoughts that don't match up with 264 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: the timeline that is common to everyone else, we're actually 265 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: experiencing some kind of blip in the matrix, some kind 266 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: of a little Yeah, something maybe a glitch, something that 267 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: isn't quite right. The identical cat black cat walking by twice. 268 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: But in this case, you know, it's where New Zealand 269 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: is relative to Australia, just when you when you learned 270 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: it in or geography class way back in the day. 271 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Um So, essentially, we were living in this giant program 272 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: or hollow deck or some kind of programmable entity, a 273 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: thing that when it gets a firmware update every once 274 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: in a while, there are some errors, and that's what 275 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: that's what we're experiencing. I kind of like this theory. 276 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe it, but I think it's cool. 277 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: You know. It's responsible largely for those kind of tropes 278 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: is the incredible science fiction writer Philip K. Dick. A 279 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of his stories hinge on alternate realities and the like. 280 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, the whole idea of the matrix was entirely 281 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: lifted from from kill Philip K. Dick, This idea that 282 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: we are actually in some sort of trance like state, 283 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: being fed information that we perceived to be our real life, 284 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: when in fact we are just like being harvested or 285 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: something like that, and we you know, have no movement, 286 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: We're just basically blobs. Another one of his stories that 287 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: was recently made into a pretty successful, my successful, I 288 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: mean well done television series for Amazon I think, was 289 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: The Man in the High Castle, where, uh, it's a 290 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: version of the future where um, the Allies did not win, right, 291 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: the Axis won the World War One, the Second World 292 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: War and carved up the North American continent into different 293 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: spheres of influence. And there is a book about an 294 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: alternate universe wherein the Allies won the war. And the 295 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: funny thing about this, I mean, these are obviously much 296 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: more in line with you know, fiction, but they're certainly 297 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: fun to think about. Um, it's almost like this idea 298 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: of a Mandela effect. It's sort of like a reverse 299 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: deja vu kind of, you know, where it's like you 300 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: have this sense that you were you experienced something exactly 301 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: the same, only it's the sense that it's it's different almost, 302 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if I'm if I'm saying 303 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: that familiar seems suddenly unfamiliar. Concerning Jean Vu, I don't 304 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: speak French in this timeline. But the thing is what 305 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: we're referring to and this phenomenon, it is very much 306 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: a gut feeling you know you, and then you can 307 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: go in the Internet or in research materials and you 308 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: can prove yourself wrong pretty easily. So what we're all 309 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: talking about here is this innate sense that this is 310 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: how it was, and then oh no, it wasn't. And 311 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: what what do you when? Where do you go from there? 312 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: How do you use this information? And there's a yeah, 313 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: and there's a subjective feeling, and there's a bit of 314 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: a tangent, but there's a subjective feeling you can experience 315 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: where there's there's something disassociative about it, which is close 316 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: to a break where for instance, uh, the examples of 317 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: the people who meet and feel like they've known each 318 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: other forever, and there are some people who would propose 319 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: that in some multiverse they do. And the concept of 320 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: a multiverse is endlessly fascinating and has done such wonderful 321 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: things for fiction. Uh, at this point, it's uh, you know, 322 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: it's clearly a theoretical thing. No one has traveled to 323 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: and back between universes in a publicly acknowledged the reproducible way. 324 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: And you know, many of the stories that we're talking 325 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: about are cautionary tales or moralistic tales. The matrix is 326 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: traveling that way through uh, through different universes, and I 327 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: think that the matrix itself, we can agree, is in 328 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: its way as real as the physical world. Again spoilers, 329 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: and thank you for saying that. I would have totally forgotten. 330 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: But we have a we have another, we have another 331 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: theory two right. One of the more kind of buzz 332 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: killy down to earth theories regarding them Mandel effect is 333 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: that the internet itself has just distorted our the way 334 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: we remember things. Because anytime you see a meme or 335 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: a trope, like a play on a piece of pop culture. 336 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: For instance, um spoiler alert in Star Wars episode four, 337 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: get ready to turn off your podcast if you want 338 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: to hear this. When there's that iconic line, well, how 339 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: does it go, Luke, I am your father? That is 340 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: not how it goes. It is no, I am your father. 341 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's also like Ricky Ricardo never said, Lucy, 342 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: you got some splaining to do. He never once did 343 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: that line appear. And I love Lucy, but but that 344 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: is what we associate. Yes, but you will see a 345 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: meme with let's say that online somewhere, you'll see someone 346 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: talking about remembering it. In a blog or something. Uh, 347 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: you'll see little pieces written up. And it seems that 348 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: in reading these things, it's almost like looking at photos 349 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: of yourself as a child or something, family photos of yourself. 350 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: You may not truly have the memory of being you know, 351 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: that time when you're a little kid and you were 352 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: playing outside with your mom or something, but you can 353 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: by seeing the sandbox or seeing the playground or the backyard, 354 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: you can kind of create your own memory of what 355 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: that day was like, even though you did experience it, 356 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: but you don't have a vivid memory of it. Seeing 357 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: the image kind of jogs something, and then you created yourself. 358 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: So this theory states that when you read these things online, 359 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: these memes, these tropes, you're kind of distorting your own 360 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: memory of what the what the actual thing was. And 361 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: our memories don't even really need any help screwing this 362 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: stuff up because they kind of suck. Yeah, I mean, 363 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: think about any like courtroom scenario, like a TV courtroom 364 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: drama where you've got a witness on the stand who 365 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: swears they saw this person in the lineup commit this crime, 366 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: and then there immediately three or four other witnesses that say, 367 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: in no way it was this person, and I mean 368 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: I actually one of the best examples of this is 369 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: in the movie My Cousin Vinny. You Didn't Think, But 370 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: there's a great seek pens where it highlights the fallibility 371 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: of memory. Um, you know, as far as eyewitness testimony, 372 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: which has been determined to be pretty unreliable, right, we 373 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: can also see that, you know, frankly, horrific, horrific numbers 374 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: about people who have been falsely convicted of a crime, 375 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: or people who have confessed to a crime they did 376 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: not commit and believed that they did because of the 377 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: psychological manipulation that occurs during the interrogation process. I almost 378 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: said interview, But that's not quite correct, is it. And 379 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: it happens. I know it sounds crazy, but it happens 380 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: because of this. The reason in memory is one of 381 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: the most inefficient processes in the human mind is that 382 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: every single one of us when we remember an event, 383 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: whatever it is. The theme song to the Baron Stein 384 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: bears uh a moment where you fell in love and 385 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: you're still so in love that you feel like a 386 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: piece of you is there. That's beautiful. But every time 387 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: you remember that, you're not just remembering what you think, 388 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: you're remembering. You might be subconsciously associating it with emotions 389 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: you're feeling now or emotions you felt at the time, 390 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: or you might conflate it with things that occurred in 391 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: the interim, sometimes between the creation of the memory, but 392 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: before you remembered. So let's say one of your favorite 393 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: moments ever was watching the Matrix, and you remember seeing 394 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: it in a movie theater, and you can say to yourself, 395 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: I had a medium sprite, I had a nestly crunch, 396 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: and I got the big popcorn. But that might be incorrect. 397 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: You might just be remembering the stuff that you liked eating. 398 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: You might be hungry when you're remembering it. And the 399 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: further away you get from that moment in time, the 400 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: less reliable it is, because every time you are remembering 401 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: a memory, what you're actually doing is remembering the last 402 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: time you thought about it. It's like making a copy 403 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: of a copy of a copy. It just degray aids 404 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: every time you recall it exactly. Yeah, sometimes it adds things, 405 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: sometimes it subtracts things, creates artifacts. That's a great way 406 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: to put it. Every time you remember something, you're essentially 407 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: playing telephone with past versions of yourself and the connection 408 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: is nowhere near as good as it might appear. We 409 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: know that this is true because there's something amusing or 410 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: depending on the implications, disturbing that you can watch right 411 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: now online. There's a mentalist. His name is Darren Brown. 412 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: You probably know who he is. He's he's put out 413 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: a video. He has a TV series, or I know 414 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: he did have a TV series, does different television specials 415 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: in the UK, and and in one well, he's done 416 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: a lot. I think we talked about one where he 417 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: created a Manchurian candidate, allegedly at least on the television 418 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: show he did attempted to. Yeah, and then also where 419 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: he's the guy who can socially engineer people into accepting 420 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: blank ency sized pieces of paper as money just by 421 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: talking to them, but usually only if they're native speakers 422 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: of the same language he speaks. Doesn't even one where 423 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: he um was able to convince what sort of in 424 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: quotation fingers a room full of atheists that they believe 425 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: in God. Yeah, it's a thing. It's intense, that's crazy, 426 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: and there's a whole there just before we even get 427 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: into what it actually is. There's a whole host of 428 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: psychological things that occur when you are a part of 429 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: a television production in the audience, so you know all 430 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: of this stuff for for me, it's levels of manipulation. Uh, 431 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: for even the viewer of the TV series, so they yeah, 432 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. So they might not necessarily 433 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: have the same results a man on the street or 434 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: woman on the street thing, but on one on one 435 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: on one, there's been some weird stuff that's happened, right, yeah, 436 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: oh yes. So there's a great video where in uh, 437 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: Darren Brown asks Simon Pegg, the actor and writer, two, 438 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: write down a childhood gift, like just right, like think 439 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: of a childhood gift that he's always wanted. Write it down, 440 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: put in envelope, seal it with the date, with the time, 441 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: and keep it on his person and then to go 442 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: meet meet Darren Brown. And what he doesn't know is 443 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: the entire time he's on the way to meet him, 444 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: his entire day beforehand, he is being manipulated and his 445 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: memory um is being affected unless said infected, maybe that's 446 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe that's a very choice word. As a result, so 447 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: Darren Brown talks to him, does his uh, does his 448 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: things because I want to spoil it too much. At 449 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: certain times, directing his attention to certain places in the room, 450 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: which people call priming right purposeful Freudian slips for instance. 451 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: And the end result is that he tells Simon Peg 452 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: to turn around and open his presence in a big 453 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: box and he pulls out. He's like, is this what 454 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: you wanted? And he's amazed. How did you know? He says, 455 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: this is this was exactly where I wanted, goes, okay, 456 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: are you sure is this the right and he's like, yeah, everything, 457 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: it's exactly I pictured. It's the right color. Yeah, And 458 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: then he says, okay, well I want you to do 459 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad you like your president. I want you to 460 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: do one last thing. When you take out that envelope 461 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: and like show the camera the seal and everything. I 462 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: want you to open it. I want you to read 463 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: what it says. And he opens it and he reads 464 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: it and he's like, huh, that's weird. That's not it. 465 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: That's not why I wrote down because what he originally 466 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: wrote down was something different. But the experiences again between 467 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: the creation of that memory and the act of remembering changed, 468 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: so the past is much more like a conversation, I guess. 469 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Then then the solid process we believe it to be. 470 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: At this point, there's not any well, I don't know 471 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: what you guys found, but there's not any solid, reproducible 472 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: proof of the Mandela effect. There are many many people 473 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: who believe they've seen it, and we all have those 474 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: inexplicable moments. But as far as history changing, that's a 475 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: whole another story has occurred. Here's where it gets crazy. 476 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: So the the idea that we're exploring here, alternate realities, 477 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: alternate universes, massive rewriting of history, it turns out, and 478 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: at least, uh, at least a few instances that actually happens, 479 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and and one of the big ones would be retro 480 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: active censorship. You may have heard of something like the 481 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: kids stays in the picture. Under under the Stalin regime, 482 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: during these political purges and stuff, they actually go back 483 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: and erase people from history, from official records, from photographs. Yeah, 484 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this idea of revising history to suit 485 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: your particular and you know, and this phenomena we're talking about, 486 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: it can certainly be capitalized on because our minds do 487 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: gravitate towards these patterns, and we see something enough times, 488 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, why not just accept that that's how it happened, 489 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: and most people will yeah, and we because most people 490 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: again are creatures that thrive on consensus. That's how this uh, 491 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: that's how this breakout single of a species has been 492 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: able to spread around the world. And so you can 493 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: see experiments wherein a group of fourteen people are assembled 494 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: and thirteen of them know what's going to happen, and 495 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: they're just the simple math problem is displayed, for instance, 496 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: or two lines that are different lengths and people say 497 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: they're the same length, or they say something that's outright wrong, 498 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: and in many cases, unlucky person fourteen or number twelve 499 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: or whatever will eventually and in a distressingly short amount 500 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: of time believe it because they are outnumbered. And that 501 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: happens more often than I would like to think in 502 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: this and then coupled with the power of a state 503 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: agency to censor something like for instance, Lennon gave a 504 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: speech in nineteen twenty and when he gave the speech, 505 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: he's talking to some Soviet troops in Moscow. There was 506 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: a photograph taken in the foreground was Leon Trotsky and 507 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: Lev Commonev. And then later the photo was altered. And 508 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: again this is they don't have photo shop. This is tough. 509 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Later the photo was altered and they removed Trotsky and 510 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: they removed lev COMMONEV is this are they on the waterfront? 511 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: I think I remember seeing this picture. There's at least 512 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: a body of water right next to him, and then 513 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: they're just like h and and additionally, and a lot 514 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: of this happened. So much of this happened that you 515 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: can find entries on censorship of images in the Soviet 516 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: Union another and this continued for decades. For instance, there 517 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: was a cosmonaut named Valentine Bodenko and he died in 518 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one in a training accident. Because the cosmonaut 519 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: program at the time was brutal. It was a numbers game, 520 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, good luck, right, let's just you know, the 521 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: emphasis was let's get someone to space. And someone said, well, 522 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: are they going to make it back? And they said, yeah, 523 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: that'd be neat. Isn't there even a situation where they 524 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: cut someone loose because it would have um jeopardized the 525 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: equipment or something like that. There's so many you know, 526 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: what we should do a lost cosmonauts thing is there's 527 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: so there's so many intes steam interesting wrinkles to this story. 528 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, Valentin died in nine and the Soviet government 529 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: air brushed him out of photographs of the first group 530 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: of cosmonauts, and so he had already been available. He 531 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: had already appeared in publicly available photographs, you know what 532 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: I mean. The badger was out of the bag. So 533 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: deleting the government controlled stuff just if anything, fed the 534 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: stories of lost cosmonauts and this death. Uh, and in fact, 535 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: his death as well as his life, became secret until 536 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: the mid nineteen eighties. And these are these are just 537 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: these are specific examples for a country. And I don't 538 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: mean to pick on the Soviet Union. There's something else 539 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: that I think we all know. I mean, Max Niles. 540 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: Let's face it, guys, we're old enough now that we 541 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: know textbooks have changed, especially history textbooks, right, which which 542 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: is kind of a good thing, right because as we 543 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: gain more knowledge as a species, we change our textbooks, 544 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: we alter them. Science is very different may or may 545 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: not have happened depending on the textbook. Yeah, that could 546 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: be an issue. But also details, let's say, about the 547 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: molecular structure of certain things, or uh, the atomic structure. 548 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: We're understanding that more and more and you know, when 549 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: my parents were in high school and college, the knowledge 550 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: they had is very different than we had. So that's 551 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: a good thing. The problem is when you're looking at history, 552 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: you know some some of the things that are supposed 553 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: to be set in stone that can't really change because 554 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: they happened. Yeah, let's take one of those two the 555 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: victors go to spoils and one of the spoilers being 556 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: able to write the story right, winners write history books 557 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: and and the And that's that's a great point because 558 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: we did. We looked at this earlier in a video. Uh, 559 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: why don't textbooks in different countries agree? Like a textbook 560 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: written by Japan and a textbook written by China or 561 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: by Chinese and Japanese governments is going to differ widely, 562 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: even though those countries are comparatively as stone's throw away 563 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: from one another. You know, what do they have to 564 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: say about World War two? And what do people believe? 565 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: And if there is, if there is absolute truth, how 566 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: do individuals find it surrounded in a world like what 567 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: what is what is sanity? What is history? How do 568 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: we find these things surrounded by people who all believe 569 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: something else? It's it's frightening to wonder if one of us, 570 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: or you know, whether you're listening to show you're in 571 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: the room right now, if just one of the people 572 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: bowl this entire stuff they don't want you to know things, 573 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: knew something to be true, and no one else agreed 574 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: with them. Can any of us say that we would 575 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: be able to stick to our guns for the rest 576 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: of our lives in a world that feels we are insane? 577 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: That's disturbing question discussed amongst yourselves. And while you're discussing 578 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: this amongst yourselves, go back and think about some of 579 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: the personal moments that you may have had with this. 580 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: There's a really really interesting book by a guy named 581 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: Neil Stevenson called an Athem. And in an Athem, again 582 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: there's a work of fiction, but I think it applies here. 583 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: In an Athem, this is somewhat of a spoiler alert, 584 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: but not really. There is a group of people called rats, 585 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: and what they do is they change the past by 586 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: altering records, by using using techniques of rhetoric to essentially 587 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: Darren Brown people. And the frightening thing about this is 588 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: that it can happen. It has happened in history. It 589 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: is happening now. For instance, we can see the slow 590 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: erosion in some cases of historical facts, like very few 591 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: people talk about the fact that Martin Luther King is 592 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: documented arguing for a war on inequality, arguing for things 593 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: that would be typified or characterized as socialist, but shortly 594 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: before his death, and you'd be hard pressed to find 595 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: those speeches being quoted in the media right or being 596 00:37:52,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: quoted in textbooks, and to to to honestly look at it. 597 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: Just because there's not scientifically accepted proof of this Mandela effect, 598 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: which maybe in another world called the Mandala effect, that 599 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's automatically not true. And that's a 600 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: clever way for it to be constructed, because if there's 601 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: not a way to disprove a thing, then we're kind 602 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: of at, you know, a standstill. So I have to 603 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: ask you, guys, still, do you believe in the concept 604 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: of parallel universes? Do you think that somewhere out there 605 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: there's another version of us, or multiple or infinite versions. 606 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: I think we'll find out, maybe even within our lifetimes, 607 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: maybe if there are truly alternate universes that we can 608 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: test for. Depending on how far we can go with 609 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: the LHC and a couple of other large scale sientific 610 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: tests that are going on to see uh. I mean 611 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: you can look, there are a lot of things that 612 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: are exploring right now as a as a human race, uh, 613 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: to test that the very very tiny and also the 614 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: very very large. And depending on how deep we can 615 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: go into some of that research, I think we might 616 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: be able to prove that alternate realities exist. Um. I 617 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: don't think that this particular thing personally now, I don't 618 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: think that this Mendel effect is a case of alternate realities. 619 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: I think it's perception and biases and just remembering things wrong. 620 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: I you know, I wonder too it One thing that 621 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: would strengthen the case for it would be if there 622 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: were things that were a little bit less because these 623 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: are kind of grouped into things, right chronology of well 624 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: known events, yeah, and then also a lot of celebrity 625 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: stuff and then all so a lot of geographical stuff, right, 626 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: and small changes like Denial's point with the with the shoelaces, right, 627 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: and so it makes me, it makes them wonder if 628 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: the case would be strengthened by say, having, um, the 629 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: arrangement of amino acids be different or some or maybe 630 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: there's a spot in the world where light is at 631 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: a slightly faster, slightly slower speed. You know what I mean, 632 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: a universal what's accepted to be a universal concept? Right? 633 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: Did we already talk about how our brains are storing 634 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: information differently now than they have ever in the past 635 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: human brains because of the Internet. I don't. I don't 636 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: know if we have. I know we've all talked about 637 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: it off air. Okay, well this, I think this may 638 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 1: also be the culprit for why this stuff is cropping 639 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: up more and more. Yeah, I mean, for me, it's 640 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: almost like why bother remembering things when I can just 641 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: end it on the internet if I need to, you know, 642 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: I can devote that part of my brain to other 643 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: things god knows what. But you know, I'm just saying, 644 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there is this sort of like inherent 645 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: sense that there's a safety net, like I don't need 646 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: to remember phone numbers anymore ever again, because they're always 647 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna be on my phone. But what if I you know, 648 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: my car dies on the highway and my phone is dead, 649 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: and um, you know, then I'm utterly alone because I 650 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: don't have this information in my brain anymore. You know, 651 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: and and like Bill said, if if we're not remembering things, 652 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: like if we're not constantly remembering things and storing them 653 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: and then replaying them, then what what is going on 654 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: in our heads? Like? What's what? What kind of information 655 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: is left there? Right? Has the access to all this 656 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: information turned the what the over three billion people with 657 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: Internet access as it turned their brains into something more 658 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: like audience members rather than creators. A wonderful and extreme 659 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: example of of a not too distant future where this 660 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: might happen is another Black Mirror episode called The Entire 661 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: History of You, where um, everyone who is anyone is 662 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: fitted with this lens and it connects to an implant 663 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: um that allows you to record everything all the time, 664 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: and you can access these memories like you would a 665 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: folder of video files, and you can you know, even 666 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: security at airport security checkpoints are done by playing back 667 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: for the person in charge of security the last forty 668 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: eight hours of your life. And therefore you don't have 669 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: they can see, oh, he didn't pack a bomb, she 670 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: didn't pack a bomb. Whatever. UM. In that future, again 671 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: not too different from what we're talking about with being 672 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: able to recall things on Facebook, for example, or being 673 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: able to recall things on YouTube not that far removed. 674 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: What does happen do our memory banks, for lack of 675 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: a better term, atrophy, you know, do we lose part 676 00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: of ourselves? And and can we then be completely subjective 677 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: to being duped by false information being out there because 678 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: we have lost our ability to actually form these memories 679 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: for ourselves? Is that another example of evolution but in 680 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: a negative way, where we are devolving our minds from 681 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: being able to create these memories because we are so 682 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: used to them just being available for us with a 683 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: touch of a mouse, cognitively becoming cyborgs. And and it 684 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: is true that we are losing depth of information. So 685 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: if there's like an X and Y axis, we're we're 686 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: increasingly knowing a little bit about a lot of stuff, right, 687 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: We know, like the equivalent of the first paragraph of 688 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: a Wikipedia article about quite a few things. But that 689 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: depth of knowledge is uh that depth of knowledge is 690 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: increasingly being lost in people are being encouraged to learn 691 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: that way, both in the things we watch, you know, 692 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,919 Speaker 1: and the fact that we're we're essentially outsourced seeing our 693 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,240 Speaker 1: brains to an external thing, which is not which is scary, 694 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: but maybe part of the evolution when you know, we 695 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 1: talked uh. I think it was um several months ago, 696 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: and I don't remember if we were on the air 697 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: about it, but we talked about the frightening idea that 698 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: maybe humanity itself is just a temporary step in the 699 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: evolution of a life form that is capable of going 700 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: to the stars and spanning galaxies in a meaningful way, 701 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: or even alternate universes. You know, yes, that would have 702 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: to be not so squishy as humanity. But I think 703 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: all of these things are excellent fodder for a whole 704 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: podcast episode of themselves. So we should probably scoot for today. Guys. Yeah, Unfortunately, 705 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: in this timeline it is time to go. Uh. Let's 706 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: let's end on uh question. Do you want there to 707 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: be alternative universes? Is the idea appeal to you? And 708 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: so why let us know? You can reach us directly 709 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: at Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. We are conspiracy stuff. 710 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at the ever so 711 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: uh awkward acronym std w y t K. But it's okay, 712 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: you'll get used to it. We hopefully we will to uh. 713 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, of course, you can check out 714 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: our website which is being updated as we speak speaking 715 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: spoiler alerts, or maybe has already been updated in your timeline, right, 716 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: because we're already doing kind of time travel if we're 717 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: not doing a live show. Uh yeah, we're finally gonna 718 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 1: get some pictures of Niles up on the site, right, 719 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: So stay tuned, visit stuff they don't want you to 720 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: know dot com if you're really into this stuff. I 721 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: usually don't do this, but I'm gonna make a recommendation. 722 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: If you have Hulu, check out eleven sixty three. It's 723 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: the series about the jfk assassination, and it's more time travel, 724 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a little hole to an alternate 725 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: dimension in a way, and it deals with the effects 726 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: of time travel. So yeah, no, the book. No, the 727 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: book is great too, but this is available and you 728 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 1: can consume it because that's how we consume things. Now. 729 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: By sitting and watching the word consume, it makes me 730 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: so uncomfortable consuming people are like, oh, this is how 731 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: I consume content. Oh yeah, that's what we do, man. 732 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: And there's one more thing. If you would like to 733 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: write to us directly with your answer about your experiences 734 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: with or perspective on the phenomena known as the Mandela 735 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: effect or perhaps again the Mandala effect, depending on where 736 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: you're at and where you're from. Then you can write 737 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: to us directly. We are conspiracy at how stuff works 738 00:46:48,960 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: dot com.