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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hi, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, my

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Darante. And we were trying to think

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Speaker 1: do with dance being more of a visual medium. You

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Speaker 1: nagged me off, Michael, and I heard, wait, I'm still

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Speaker 1: stuck on Cats. So I'm like, well, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: do like a little skimble Shanks shuffle, but this movie

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a there's a parallel because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of ballet in both Cats and center Stage. That's what ballet.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, okay, I was like, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I think even like actor overlap, just just the art form. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the art form, the art form. Yes, Um, well it's

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Speaker 1: a dance episode. And you know, next time we do

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Speaker 1: I figure it out, Well, we have got Black Swan

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Speaker 1: coming up. I know, so there's really not much time.

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Speaker 1: There's really not much time. Uh so what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about center stage today? This is the Bechtel Cast is

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Speaker 1: our podcast where we talk about, um, how women are

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Speaker 1: portrayed in movies usually not that good? Correct? And we

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Speaker 1: used the how dare you do bad? Grant? Well you

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Um. We used the Bechdel Test as

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Speaker 1: a jumping off point, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test,

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Speaker 1: which is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, here's something fun. Yeah, Betel knows the show exists. Wait,

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Speaker 1: how do we yesterday? I'll tell you off my but

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Speaker 1: I found it. She she knows that. I don't think

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Speaker 1: she's ever listened to it, but she hurts. She's heard

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Speaker 1: That's a start. She doesn't hate it, she's not gonna

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Speaker 1: like stop yeah, no, no season desist yet. So she's neutral,

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Speaker 1: all right, she's neutral. Awesome? So what's the test? It

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Speaker 1: requires that two female identifying characters with names speak to

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Speaker 1: each other about something other than a man for at

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Speaker 1: least two lines. That's our bar. Yes, that's bar, dance

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Speaker 1: We're dancers. Yes, you are a dancer, Jamie, I mean

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Speaker 1: have been. I was for fifteen years and then I

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Speaker 1: I'm basically well, not know because Maureen was good, never

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Speaker 1: a little more bend it like Beckham. Definitely. We have

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Speaker 1: a guest as always. She is wonderful. She's a writer, comedian,

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Speaker 1: host of What a Day podcast. It's Aquila Hues. I

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised myself. We can't. Yeah, the weird dog and

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it filmed with no choruses, no no

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Speaker 1: haven't seen, don't know there's a new show version coming

418
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: out with Zoe Kravitz playing reviews. Apparently it's almost the

419
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: exact same text, so there's like no update. We love

420
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: that for her. Just always happy for Zoe Kravitz. Wow,

421
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: but a lot of Zoe energy. Carol loves working with

422
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: Zoe's she's um. And then also the director is a

423
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: queer man, Nicholas Heightner. So the fact that you have

424
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: women and queer people in like the major creative roles

425
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: in this movie I think is at least part of

426
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: why it's maybe not as it avoids some of the

427
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: more obvious trophy stereotypes stuff like that. And h Nicholas

428
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: Heightner is also like like legend theater producer. Um. So

429
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, he actually understands the world that he's portraying,

430
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: because sometimes I feel like it comes up a little

431
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: uncanny valley. Um. Yeah, yeah, there's I mean there's maybe

432
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: too much authenticity in this movie because they cast so

433
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: many dancers, um, and they dance magnificently. How we see

434
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: a lot of them dancing, We see, yes, the wide shots.

435
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's why they're so bad at acting. Yeah,

436
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: imagine it's like the same people who are in that

437
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: dance class where they're dancing too I want to say,

438
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: higher grounds, where they're like leaping forever, like they all

439
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: get their one moment. I'm like, yeah, like this is

440
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: you know that all of these dancers. Now every holiday

441
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: the family gets together and they're like, pull on that scene.

442
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: Remember when you left across the screen dying ground? Put

443
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: it on again, don't do it? And this movie when

444
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: it came out, I think, like many teen movies in general,

445
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: but especially teen movies back when a movie reviewers really

446
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: really really really were all old white guys, there was

447
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: like no so I didn't get reviewed particularly well because movies,

448
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: for like, I feel like, just in general, movies targeted

449
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: at girls are never super well reviewed, especially before there

450
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: was any manner of diversity and who was reviewing them.

451
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: So this got a fort on the Tomato meter, but

452
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: audience score eight two percent. Baby we Love She caught

453
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: You in Roll? Yeah, honestly, should we start with Jody,

454
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: start with Jodie? With jo Jodie man, I mean like

455
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: her story was going in some cool ways at certain times,

456
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: and then it kind of lost me in the middle.

457
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: What I thought was going to happen because she's kind

458
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: of like she's struggling in this ballet school. She's getting

459
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of dumped on by O. C. Daddy and you're

460
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: like okay. And then she find this the higher ground

461
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: class and she seems to be thriving there, and like, oh,

462
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: maybe her storyline will be that she will get into

463
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: a different form of dance. That's what I thought too,

464
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's kind of cool, or

465
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: that she'll like bring what she learns and these like

466
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: contemporary dance classes into her ballet and then people will

467
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: be like, oh, wow, she is really talented. Like yeah,

468
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was going somewhere in that direction. I

469
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping and go there and then and

470
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: then they're just like, no, it's love tangle. Sorry remember Charlie.

471
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: If we're like, no, well he's here, who was Charlie?

472
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: And then what you take away from that class I

473
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: was kind of bummed that what you took away from

474
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: her liking that class us was that she's going to

475
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: hook up with Cooper now instead of like she's going

476
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: to use this style of dance and then she ends

477
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: up working for him. At the end, you're like and

478
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: dating Charlie, right, because you know. What happens is like

479
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: they have sex, and so she's like, oh, we're dating

480
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: now and then but he's blowing her off although she's

481
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: she just like shows up to his thing, and she's

482
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: like showing up places where she wasn't invited. So I'm like, Okay,

483
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: that's not that's weird. But like she's being red and

484
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: she's young, but like like he seems like he's being mean,

485
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: but also it's like you're just showing up like that's

486
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: not okay. But then he's like really mean to her

487
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: when they're working on his ballet, and she's like, well,

488
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: what about how I feel? And it's like basically mapping

489
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: their relationship onto like what's happening like in the dance.

490
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of things. But she's like, well

491
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: what about what I want? He's like, I don't give

492
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: a ship what you want, stupid idiot. That was very jarring.

493
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: It was like I was like, wow, he says means stuff,

494
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: like like real means stuff. And then we're still like, oh,

495
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: she works for him. I'm like he will do that

496
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: again because then he so she like rushes outside and

497
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: then Charlie runs after her and he's like he should

498
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: be treating you better, and you're like yes, but like,

499
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: who are you? How did you know? I've never met you?

500
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: We met I'm Charlie from Yeah, so he yeah. Like

501
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: he's then set up as like a viable romantic interest

502
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: for her, and then it's the two of them, both

503
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: Charlie and Cooper in the big performance at the end,

504
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: and there's this whole weird thing also where like they're

505
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: playing like tug of war with her at one point,

506
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: like I think Charlie literally throws her through the air

507
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: and then Cooper catches her. So it's this whole like

508
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: she's being treated as an object, a possession, where it's

509
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: like property, yeah, and yeah like it and we're not

510
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: alled to believe that she has an issue with it,

511
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: and like we mostly see I was kind of bummed out,

512
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: and I mean for a number of reasons. But they

513
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: like her and um Eva get along really well and

514
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: they're like but but their friendship is kind of just

515
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: reduced to talking about JODI's romantic problems specifically, like there's

516
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: a few like with there, I mean, and we'll talk

517
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: about Eva at length, but as far as their friendship goes,

518
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Eva's basically there just to be like, what's your boy problem.

519
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, they're talking about dance a little bit.

520
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: But it's like it's yeah, there's there's way more sucks

521
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: for both of those cares. Like there's way more of

522
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: a romantic through line than I felt there needed to be,

523
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: especially because like at the very end, so she she

524
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: performs very well in in the workshop and people are like, wow,

525
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: what a star, and then Cooper's like he owes her

526
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: an apology, but he does not deliver on that. He's

527
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: just like here, be in my thing. And then he

528
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: tries to kiss her and she's like, no, you stuck

529
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: because a boyfriend. I'm gonna's got Charlie on a date.

530
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: And then the kids like yeah on Monday, boss right,

531
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: And it's like you weird, why because like you know,

532
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: movies have to end with a hetero kiss, so it's

533
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: like she and Charlie kiss, But it's like why, Like

534
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: why couldn't it have been more about the dance, more

535
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: about her skills and like her coming into her own

536
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: as a as a performer and a dancer. I have

537
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: a controversial opinion, please, and I think the movie is

538
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: too much about the dance. No one has a life

539
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: or like hobbies outside of dancing, Like the things she

540
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: wants to do to cut loose from dance problem is

541
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: go to a dance class. The one suggestion for her

542
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: to get over and dude, it's like, hey, we're all dancers,

543
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: why don't we go dance? That's a good point, you guys,

544
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: ever do anything else? Has anyone here ever like read

545
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: a book? All right? And then when they go to

546
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: the bar, they're just like, oh, they're so Also, let's

547
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: put these drinks down, and then Sarah is like I

548
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: will drink all of them. Like there's just no one

549
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: has an interior life and only into your life they

550
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: gave anyone was Jody, and I guess also Maureen with

551
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: her mother. But it's all just like I feel like

552
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Maureen got the most story out of anybody because I

553
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: was like Jody, like you start to learn about her

554
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: and then she's reduced to boys and then and then

555
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: also Jody's parents shop at the end, and you're like, hey,

556
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: now who are these adults? And they also are acting

557
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: like they don't know her. They're like that her mom

558
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: was like a great job. I was like, get along,

559
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: so they try, like I mean Maureen. I feel like

560
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: got the most because like we saw her family life

561
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: and her romantic life, which is like more than but

562
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: it is all related to dancers and dancing where she

563
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: meets like a guy who eats pizza and she's like

564
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: this cat happened? What is this? Yeah? I mean it's

565
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: a very focused movie. I suppose it is definitely very focused. No,

566
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I agree. I didn't even thought about like all they do.

567
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: Re watching it, I was like, yeah, but like they

568
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: live in New York. This is all they do. They

569
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: go to one club and one dance class and then

570
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: all day dance and then yell about this guy that

571
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: is the dance teacher, like even the men there, It's

572
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: all right. Also, like for a movie that is like

573
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: so many ballet dancers, I felt like there was I mean,

574
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: was there any like LGBTQ representation at all? Are we

575
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: supposed to assume? And no, Serage has a Girlfriendalina um

576
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: but eric O Jones um is I think he's identifiably

577
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: queer because he's like Charlie, who I guess is supposed

578
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: to be attractive. I guess he comes in and like

579
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: Eric was like, who's that You're cute? And then he

580
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, my girlfriend dumped me, and then like

581
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Eric is visibly disappointintedly says like my girlfriend in Seattle,

582
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: and we're like, who are But yeah, I think that

583
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: he was clearly stated as a queer character, which kind

584
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: of like bums me out even further of how that

585
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: character is slowly just like edged to the point where

586
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: they're like, let's just break his leg. He's not leaving

587
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: screen fast enough injured, like it's too much. Yeah, Like there.

588
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: It reminded me of that the like thing where I

589
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: think we talked about it in our Pacific rim episode

590
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: where the female protagonist was like launched out of the

591
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: climax to the movie. They just launched her out of

592
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: the ship. They're like, we don't know what to do

593
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: with this character by and like they kind of do

594
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: the same thing to him because they're like, Okay, we

595
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: have to focus on this boring hetero love triangle that

596
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: no one's invested in. Um, let's break our only queer

597
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: characters leg they're only one. It's a ballets, right, And

598
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: And the fact that like you weren't totally sure if

599
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: he was queer or not, I think speaks to the

600
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: fact that we see several different romantic subplots, but Eric

601
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: has not afforded any of them. He doesn't get to like,

602
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, fall in love with a man or anything

603
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, well so like there are moments

604
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: when some of the women, like the new batch of

605
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: like boys come in and they're like, oh, are they

606
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: gay or straight? Um, So there's like there's discussion of it.

607
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: And then there's that scene later when Sarage is at

608
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: the uh Sarage, how do you say that I was strong?

609
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Sarage is at the salsa bar and he's hitting on

610
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: a couple of women and they're like, oh, well, what

611
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: are you doing here? He's like, I'm a ballet dancer

612
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, t what a weirdo. And then he

613
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: goes to that other woman and he's like, I'm in

614
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: the mafia. She's so horny for him. She is in

615
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: love with him. The same with like the the older

616
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: female characters in this movie are horny, horny, horny, horny horny.

617
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Because there's the woman at the salsa club, there's also

618
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: the like contemporary whatever Stevie Wonder, a dance teacher who

619
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: wants to have sex with it. It seems like they've

620
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: already sealed the deal. The five is she's like, Cooper,

621
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: You're so fun, and you're just like, oh my god,

622
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Like there's a millionaire woman who has sex with Cooper. Also,

623
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: all the older women in this movie have better sex. Yeah,

624
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: they've sucked these young male ballerinas, and and good for them,

625
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: and good for them. It was just a strange thing

626
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: to happen four times. And then but I like them.

627
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I liked it, Carol. Right. The point is that there's

628
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: not nearly as much like queer visibility your representation as

629
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: you might imagine, but that also could just be for

630
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, this is two thousand. This is

631
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where like, I wonder what the

632
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: first draft versus the final draft of this script looks like,

633
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: because yeah, like for it to be an accurate representation,

634
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: you would think that there would be way more queer

635
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: representation and like more explicit. And then I wonder how

636
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: much just two thousand did they used the whole budget

637
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: on that one diversity point. The man, we couldn't do

638
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: that any especially especially because since the director is queer.

639
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is kind of speculation, but I

640
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: imagine he would have tried to champion for like responsible

641
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: queer visibility against it. But yeah, because it's yeah, it's

642
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and we just weren't in the same place. Um.

643
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Hot take from Caitlin. Let's read wait, hold on two

644
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: thousand different from what Let's take a quick break, another

645
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: quick break, and we'll come right back and we're back.

646
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Zoe Seldonna and her debut role besides

647
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: an episode of Law and Order. Yeah, I'm trying to

648
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: find the clip from it, but luck so. Zoe Seldonna's character, UM,

649
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's good things, and there's things

650
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: that a very two thousand right in general, I feel like,

651
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I like her character a lot. I remember

652
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: like really loving her character when I was a kid too,

653
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: because she's like the cools where you're like, oh if

654
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't have an entry point for dance, like I

655
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: can relate to being the person who's like, I don't

656
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: give a ship right right, Like, yeah, she she didn't.

657
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: There was no point where she felt like she was

658
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: squandering her opportunity where everyone else was like so worried

659
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: about it. She's like, whatever, I'm gonna smoke and blow

660
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: it into your face right, like, and I like how

661
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: I was kind of worried in the middle of like, Oh,

662
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I wonder how her storyline is going to end because

663
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot I just remember that she dances

664
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: at the end, but I was like, I wonder, I

665
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: like that, Like the through line with her character is

666
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: like she is like the only character who's really just

667
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: like straight up passionate about what she's doing and doesn't

668
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: like play the game in the way Maureen does. She

669
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: doesn't do the politics of l a. She just likes

670
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: it and it's good at it and works at it,

671
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: and then she ends up being like rewarded for that.

672
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: She's not punished for like being outspoken, and she ends

673
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: up like getting what she wants because she worked really

674
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: hard and she's passionate about it and she's good at it.

675
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: So I mean she also got what you wanted because

676
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: Maureen was like, I'm gonna die, like he was never

677
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: going to give it to her. So like that, maybe

678
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: there's like an allegory here about like white women like

679
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: having the open doors black women. I kind of noticed, Yeah,

680
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: there's definitely a component of that. She was going to

681
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: start her own dance company otherwise and it's like we

682
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: can't we can't even give Maureen too many points because

683
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: she just waited until she was on her deathbed to

684
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: be like fine, Like, but it is good that I'm

685
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: glad she did. I thought that Marine was going to

686
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: get hurt. I didn't know that they were going to

687
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: let her character make a choice, right. Um, So that's

688
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: that's a really good point things happen. I was glad

689
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: that like even ended up getting the company too, because

690
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: there was that in that last second. I'm like, oh,

691
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: this movie could really go either way on a lot

692
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: of things. They broke our only queer characters, like let's

693
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: see what happens and then she gets it. You're like, thank, Um,

694
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: tell me how you feel about this. Did you feel

695
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: that Eva was kind of written using some like negative

696
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: black stereotypes in terms of like the angry black woman.

697
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: She's often late. Yeah, exactly, she's like the least professional

698
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: person on earth. The last dance, she's combat boots. Basic.

699
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think you know what's interesting in

700
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: rewatching it and like also realizing her name was like

701
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Eva Rodriguez. I thought that they really tried to mash

702
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: up like she's black and Hispanic, but like I felt

703
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: more kind of alarmed by like the rage is being

704
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: like a hot headed Latina because like that's sort of

705
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: like you know, like entry point with like salsa and

706
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: whatever else. Like it just felt like maybe there was

707
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm giving a lot of benefit the down

708
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe they were in ways trying to make

709
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: a commentary like this is a Latina, like you've never

710
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: seen them, darker than a paper back, but also walking stereos.

711
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: And I think it is interesting that like it's it's

712
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: like an Afro Latina character. And Zoe saw Donna is

713
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: also Dominican and Puerto Rican. I also looked at the

714
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: Wikipedia pitch look. I did not look anything up, So

715
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: thank you for being my research partner. I would say.

716
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: Either way, it felt to me as though some negative

717
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: stereotypes were being drawn on from both like black communities

718
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: and Latin X communities for that character. But and it

719
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: felt like for a large portion of the movie by

720
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: like the ballet Powders of be she was being treated

721
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: like a diversity pick, like like this affirmative action person,

722
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: like you don't deserve to be here. I'm like Jody's feet,

723
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: don't worry, don't tell me that can't be here, So

724
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, I think that, like what it

725
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: does seem more like, I mean, look, we saw the movie,

726
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: so watching it, it was like there are moments that

727
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: are stereotypical as a child. I don't know that I

728
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: like bought into it or like realized I was like,

729
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: she's the fun one. But it does seem like maybe

730
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: the directors and writers were like, Okay, well, if we

731
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: have to like give her an edge, because if she's

732
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: just like a silent black person that everyone hated, it

733
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: would be a different movie. So they're like, let's just

734
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: give her this personality so that she's difficult in the

735
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: event that like people think that this is like some

736
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: liberal talking point, which was not a thing that existed,

737
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: snowflakes talking about ballet establishment. But yeah, I think that, like,

738
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: at least they seem like, even in hindsight, aware of

739
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: the fact that like, Okay, she is up against a lot,

740
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: so even with her weird writing about her personality quirks, like,

741
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: we at least back it up with by saying like, well,

742
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: she's a good dancer and and she deserves to be there,

743
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: So being the black one isn't the only reason why

744
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: she's having problems right right. I wish I almost wish that,

745
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: like if they were going to give her those like

746
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: aeotypical kind of stock personality traits, I feel like they

747
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: sort of skim the surface of trying to explore them.

748
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: But then she's just not given as much screen time

749
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: as she needs to be given to have that explored,

750
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: because you get that like one seeing them like, oh

751
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: this is something where the dance teacher who's not OC daddy,

752
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Um fine, yeah, I mean lady, mean lady who's been

753
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: mean to Eva a bunch of different times, finds her

754
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: rehearsing late at night, and I think like realizes like, oh,

755
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: she really is passionate about this, and then offers her

756
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: like oh can I help you? You're like okay, this

757
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: what well, and then it just kind of is dropped

758
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: there and you don't really get to see like where

759
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, good, You're the teacher should believe in

760
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: her student the whole time she's two thirds in. I

761
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: don't know, like I wish that there was a little

762
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: more or that we like learned anything about her outside

763
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: of her relationship with the school, which is something we

764
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: come up with movies. In this era, especially all the

765
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: time where it's like one of the only non white

766
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: characters that we see. There's just a total absence of

767
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: any background information. Like I always think of the Craft

768
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: as craft um as who's who's the actor in the Craft?

769
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: What is the Craft episodes from a long time ago? Um?

770
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: Is it Rachel True? I couldn't confirm, nor did I.

771
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: I don't know either way, Like certainly could have been

772
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: let's not rule her out. She give me the craft Yemmy,

773
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: But but yeah, we we don't really get to find

774
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: out anything about her, which sucks and it's kind of

775
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: like a wasted opportunity. The other big thing about her

776
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: character is that she hates Marie. There's like some woman

777
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: on woman hatred for what feels like kind of no reason.

778
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: She's just like I heard Maureen's a bitch and she

779
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: told me I can't smoke in my dorm room. So

780
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: her I interpreted that as kind of like a coded

781
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: class thing, where Mareen very much like a little nepotism

782
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: me brady kind of girl, and then Eva is kind

783
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: of coded as like someone who doesn't come from a

784
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: ton of money and doesn't have this like overbearing parent

785
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: constantly like at this home. I remember thinking about it

786
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: as a kid too of just like, oh, like rich girl,

787
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: not rich girl. And I feel like girls, like people

788
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: in general, but especially women, are like pitted against each

789
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: other in that regard a bunch um. And then Jody

790
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: is like, who knows what's going on with her? She's

791
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: friends with everybody, which she don't have feet amazing because

792
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: like you know, the Bechtel test is about conversation, so

793
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: like you know, but it's like, why does no one

794
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: have like the real conversation. It's all passive aggressively. You

795
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: also can't smoke, and she's just like I don't like her,

796
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: instead of like I need to smoke indoors, Like why

797
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: are you not defending? You can't feel like she's a

798
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: bitch if you know what's wrong. It's just such a

799
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: weird scene. That's one of the only times I could

800
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: relate with Jody, because I'm like, if I was a

801
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: teenager someone was smoking inside and someone else was like,

802
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: you can't smoke inside, I'm like I would say nothing.

803
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: I would just be like, let's see where this goes,

804
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: Like I mean, what's wrong with smoking outside? I'm not

805
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: saying she's right, right, you know, for once, I like,

806
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: I liked that evaes that hill to die on right away,

807
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I can't smoke in the dorms. Fine,

808
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: what kind of school is this? And like any other school,

809
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: And then the camera rests on Maureen as if we're

810
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, how unreasonable. Yeah, breathe the second

811
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: hand smoke. Jeez. But yeah, that that's set up between

812
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: the two of them of just being this like antagonst Well,

813
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: it's more that Eva hates Maureen. Maureen's just like kind

814
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: of there and she mostly actually seems to be kind

815
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: of nice. Maybe she likes the rules a bit too much,

816
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: but like whatever. But what I like, what I do

817
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: appreciate about this story, Oline, is the resolution is that

818
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: Maureen lifts up Eva by being like, Hey, I'm I'm

819
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: too sick to perform and I don't like to dance.

820
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: I want to hang out with my pizza boyfriend. He's

821
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: almost done at his catering shift, and I'm excited he's

822
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: going to bring home some left Um. Yeah, I think

823
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: was the whole time he was like this is me,

824
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: this is me, Like, you're not pizza boyfriend. He's like,

825
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm pizza and then there's also like plenty of female

826
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: friendship in the story as well, so it's not as

827
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: though like there's only one female relationship and it's antagonistic.

828
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: There's there's plenty of others. But still I think that

829
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: there are a lot of missed opportunities in this movie.

830
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: For like, the only two times we really see like

831
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: female characters like helping or like really showing friendship or

832
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: kindness to another is when Maureen drops out and gives

833
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: the opportunity to Eva, who deserves it, and then all

834
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: so kind of with Eva in the Dance Teacher. But

835
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: for a lot of moments where you're like, oh, this

836
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: would be a really great opportunity for the like female

837
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: dancers or really just the dancers to support each other,

838
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: it just becomes a Jodi love thing where there's like

839
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: two different boyfriends. Pizza boyfriend quote unquote rescues Maureen and

840
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: helps her see the light of the fact that she

841
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: doesn't love dance. Like she doesn't really get to take

842
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: the credit of figuring that out on her own. It's

843
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: pizza boyfriends. It comes in from nowhere. Like the first

844
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: person who offered her food, she was like, oh my god,

845
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm done with this was like wait a second, like

846
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: that is not God. I wish we were that easy.

847
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, sort of to that point though, I think

848
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: that what something that stood out to me and rewatching

849
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: it is all of the nice things that characters do

850
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: to show friendship or like you know, compassion or giving

851
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: something up ends up being self serving in some way.

852
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: Like Maureen doesn't want to dance. It's not like she's

853
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: doing this and she's like, well, I throw away my

854
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: opportunity and now I have to regret it. She's like

855
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: this is good for me, and like it's good for you,

856
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: but it's better for me. I felt the same way

857
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: about like I mean, this is Cooper being like you

858
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: can come dance with me, and I'm like, well, that's

859
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: because now everybody knows who she isn't likes her like

860
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: you weren't gonna do if this had gone another way,

861
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: like if if you know, if Zoe sel Donna went

862
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: out there and crushed it and then she went out

863
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: there and fell down in her weird red outfit when

864
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: they did the long cot, like he would have been like, yeah,

865
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm going to go back to working for Sandy Cohen,

866
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: like you can, good luck with your bad feet, like

867
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: we're not sucking anymore. And it's especially sinister with like,

868
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: if Maureen didn't want to quit dance, she would have

869
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: never been like he se, Donna, let me lift you

870
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: up and give you an opportunity like that. Yeah, that

871
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: just wouldn't have happened. Yeah, it's not within her character.

872
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean, none of the characters seemed to like actually

873
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: want to do good things unless they're like, it's actually

874
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: a scapegoated excuse for me to stop right, I hate

875
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: my life, You take my life now, and they're like,

876
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: thank you. Cool, I actually wanted your life. This works

877
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: out great for me as well. Now I don't like

878
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: smoking doors, just like Freaky Friday paid each other. Yeah,

879
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I like, And there were those

880
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: opportunities were there for them too, and I'm sure it

881
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: would have helped the storyline to to like have the

882
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: characters interacting more. Um, but I think sometimes they kind

883
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: of just like and I wonder how much is like

884
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: I want to give Carol the benefit of the doubt

885
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: and be like, maybe it with studio nuts where they're like,

886
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: does add in some love story here that would fit

887
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: better than building out friendships? Um, or like moments that

888
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: we could include Eric in the plot at all. I

889
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: liked that also with Eric's character because like he was

890
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: also one of the only dancers whose performance was like palatable.

891
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: He could act because he's an actor and not a dancer.

892
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: He had he had no previous dance that he later

893
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: toured um in the high school musical touring company. And

894
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I think he might have, like

895
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: he probably trained in ballet for prior to this role,

896
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: but like before getting cast, I don't think he had

897
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: really any dance because where do we get so much

898
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: circuy like it, It's like the studio was like this

899
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: guy's on fire every line I was, he says. If

900
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: anyone wants to go back and watch the scene where

901
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: he says I was drunk, it's when they're punished by

902
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: having to squeegee in the punishment because they missed curfew.

903
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Like? There's a they were

904
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: they showed him. They were all laughing and they were

905
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: like that was crazy because he was dancing so long.

906
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: Now I can't dance today, say was the only one

907
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: who was actually drunk. Everyone else was just dancing. Man,

908
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: this dance hangovers because and then like they're all they're

909
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: like having fun. They're like throwing all the sponges in

910
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: each other. And then like Maureen like peeks into the

911
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: him and she's like, oh, that must be what having

912
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: friends is like, because everyone hates her because he thinks

913
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: she's a bit boyfriends outside. Can we talk about Maureen? Yes,

914
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on with her. Said again, it's

915
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: like every character in this movie, you're like, I like

916
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: some things and then other things they kind of lose

917
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: the thread. To me, the big conversation here is, uh,

918
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: the examination of eating disorders. So it all kind of

919
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: starts out by Maureen fat shaming her friend Emily, who

920
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: is also rocketed out of the narrative, and that that

921
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: feels that that was frustrating because I think it's Emily

922
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: is the character's name. She is written as the ballerina

923
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: who eats like a normal person. Like every scene she's

924
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: in there like we wouldn't remind you that she eats

925
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: because he's eating right now, and like that's different than

926
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: everyone else who doesn't do that, And they like take

927
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: great pains to point out that she's eating and that

928
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: it bothers the other girls because to a normal viewer,

929
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, she's out of function, makes sense.

930
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: But there there's a few moments, especially when she's around Maureen,

931
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: where Marien is clearly like borderline triggered by the sight

932
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: of another dancer eating anything, which isn't like abnormal for

933
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: that world. But it's a little bit off. Yeah, that's

934
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: the thing is. I mean, you both know more about

935
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: dancing than the I thank you, But I have heard

936
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: on the streets that if you know, if you're participating

937
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: in ballet on like a serious level, there is an

938
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: expectation that you're going to be thin, that you have

939
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: to be in like have like a very rigid standard

940
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: of kind of beauty and body size and shape. Eating

941
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: disorders are like extremely prevalent. So I appreciate that this

942
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 1: movie kind of attempted to tackle it, but I don't

943
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: think it really went as far as it should have gone,

944
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: or did everything totally right, because one example is when

945
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Emily has finally been kicked out for having gained too

946
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: much weight, someone's comments on her being fat, and her

947
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: mom says, um, you're not fat, you're beautiful, which it's

948
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: the idea that you cannot be both, which is not

949
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: true as we know it's trying and it's failing. Yeah,

950
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: it's also though, like with Maureen's character it, I think

951
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition for like a young viewer of watching her

952
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: be lifted up as the best of the best, like

953
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: this is who everyone wants to be, She's getting everything,

954
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: and she is the sickest person in the film. I

955
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: think that it, like like in spite of itself, is

956
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: sending a different message. Like I remember watching it as

957
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: a kid and being like, well, she's skinny, and this

958
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: guy likes her so much he's buying her pizza. Like

959
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have a concept like even when you know

960
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: they do finally have a or she's coming out of

961
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: the bathroom because she's making herself sick. You know, I

962
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: don't even think I realized as a child that's what

963
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: was happening. I just knew like maybe she has like

964
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: a disease because she's like like her eyes are like

965
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: blue underneath she's very thin. But I didn't I didn't

966
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: get that like that was her dedication and like that's

967
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: in her mind, like that was the way to be

968
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: quote unquote perfect. I just saw like she has everything,

969
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: but she's not happy because she has to like she

970
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: doesn't get friends. I didn't think, like because she doesn't

971
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: take care of herself, and so it seems like, yeah,

972
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: like as close as they got to getting it right,

973
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: there was always that moment of just like, well, can

974
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: anyone like everyone who has power is rewarding this behavior,

975
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: right am? I Like my thing with it was that

976
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, like the movie should have been

977
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: more explicit about like this not only is not a

978
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: way to treat yourself, but there are negative consequences. And

979
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: I would have loved to see her like at least

980
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: it be alluded to the fact that she's going to

981
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: get some sort of treatment for it. Yeah, like a

982
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: doctor tell her that something wrong, versus like her boyfriend.

983
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: And I decided, right, He's like, I'm not a doctor yet.

984
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm in my first year of pre med and You're like,

985
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm a freshman in college books. It's a bar. Yeah,

986
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: I I like, I don't, I don't know. I've like

987
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: I've I've had like eating disorder issues since I was

988
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: like little, and so I like, I remember when I

989
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: saw this movie, I knew what she was doing, and

990
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: there is some element and it's like to the point

991
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: where I'm like I don't even know what the solution

992
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: to this is, but there is some element of like

993
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: trying to address a serious issue in a movie directed

994
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: at young people and then accidentally showing young people how

995
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: to hear something you can do, because I like, I

996
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: remember that, like I learned eating disorders from TV and

997
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: then emulated them until like yesterday, right, and then on

998
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: top of that, it's and then I think that like

999
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: I had similar like not things that I ever did,

1000
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: but like, I think the like concept of cutting was

1001
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: something I first saw on TV and a very well

1002
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: intentioned episode of Degrassi, but I, like I didn't know

1003
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: what that was before, and then after that you're like, oh,

1004
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: here's a character that I like doing this very harmful thing,

1005
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: and the and the narrative is framing it as bad.

1006
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: But still sometimes when you're really younger, like I want

1007
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: to be like that character, and so I do appreciate.

1008
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: I feel like, in a ballet story about young girls

1009
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: being pressured to be like quote unquote great at this thing,

1010
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: it would be weird to not touch on eating issues

1011
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: at all, in the same way that it's weird that

1012
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: they don't touch on queer issues. Yeah, I also think,

1013
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: like to that point, Um, what's the guy who broke

1014
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: his eric? Like if she had broken her leg because

1015
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: she hasn't had proper nutrition for years, that would maybe

1016
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: have sent a message to me like oh, it's killing

1017
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: her versus like she's going to go on and be

1018
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: totally fine. She's just gonna go to law school. Like

1019
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: that's sort of hardly yeah, Like there's nothing that she

1020
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: has to unlearn, and like there's no growth point. It's

1021
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: just like, well, I had one conversation and I decided

1022
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore or dance, and I'm like right,

1023
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: And it was like it was her boyfriend who pointed

1024
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: it out to her, and it was like the second

1025
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: hand embarrassment of her boyfriend knowing that she was doing

1026
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: it that really seemed to sort of push it over

1027
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: the I don't know, like I appreciate that this movie

1028
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: tried to do something, and like I think probably the

1029
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: best way to. I mean, because it's the institution of

1030
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: ballet and things like Hollywood and any other sort of

1031
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: like institution that pressures people to have their bodies be

1032
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: a certain way. That's the thing that's harmful and that's

1033
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: what needs to be like commented on and challenged and

1034
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: like addressed in these movies, but the movie doesn't really

1035
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: It's not like, well it's ballot. It's the school that's

1036
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: making me do this, and that's why I feel so

1037
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: much pressure. It's I think that's maybe suggested that, but

1038
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it goes all the way to like

1039
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: challenge it enough. And I think, like, you know, it

1040
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: is a movie with a bunch of young, thin people,

1041
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: and so like I just felt like what was more

1042
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: glaring to me as a child was the fact that

1043
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: she was lonely and like had isolated herself, not so

1044
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: much that like everyone else wasn't also at like a

1045
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: very low weight doing this this work. And so I

1046
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: think that like it's almost like none of those people

1047
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: called it, none of them cared, No one was like

1048
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: Emily deserves to stay like they were all just like, well, okay,

1049
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: one last person to compete against in this dance school.

1050
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: And I think that like maybe it just feels like

1051
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: because there's only one character that's dealing with it, it

1052
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: felt too reduced because I'm like everyone here is affected

1053
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: in ways by the idea of what they're supposed to

1054
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: look like on stage, especially because like some of them

1055
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: get Like Jody is told she doesn't have the ideal

1056
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: body type she had, you know, and she's like, I

1057
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: shouldn't eat cookies. I'm already in enough trouble with my body.

1058
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: So like they're all in Emily constantly being like, you

1059
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: need to see your nutritionists. You're too you've gained too

1060
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: much weight to So they're all being told it, but

1061
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: it seems like, yeah, Marine is the only one who

1062
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: is who has developed an eating disorder based on it.

1063
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: But this could be I think you're totally right at

1064
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: Killer where it's like this could have been a conversation

1065
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: between everyone that could have like bonded them a little

1066
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: more strongly, and they're like one of the things with

1067
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: Maureen's character that I wish you'd gotten to see was like,

1068
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: what was that conversation at length between like Eva and Maureen,

1069
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: Like of like when Maureen is like does she share?

1070
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: Why does she just say get out there, go get them?

1071
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: Like that? That could be a really interesting thing that

1072
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Eva and anyone at that school, like you're saying,

1073
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: like could relate with the pressure, and maybe they don't

1074
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: like go full bolimic, but but everyone can relate with

1075
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: like withholding food and and all that, and like that's

1076
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: something that they could have talked about, especially if we

1077
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: saw them be like, oh, all of our like instructors

1078
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: are telling us, oh, we need to like watch what

1079
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: we eat and go to the nutritionis and if they

1080
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,959
Speaker 1: like kind of together rose up against that as a group,

1081
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: be like no, like we need to be healthy, we

1082
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: are athletes, Like we need to take care of our bodies.

1083
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: We cannot be started. I went to a ballet last

1084
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: year and I was like, oh my god, this is

1085
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: the way no one's fighting back against those standards. The

1086
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: way that movie would end would be like and we're

1087
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: all going to law school, but it would be fun.

1088
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: Another thing about Maureen is she's the only one that

1089
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: we get to see interact with a parent. This again,

1090
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: there's like there's ups and dances. Her mom is written

1091
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: pretty egregiously. I feel like there's like she is like

1092
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: stage mom. The moment between them that I found so

1093
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: so basically Marin's mom is very hard on her. It's

1094
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: her dream, not marines um. And so she's she's a

1095
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: dance mom. She's literally a dance mom. And the one

1096
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: moment that between them that I found really heartbreaking was

1097
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: when Maureen was trying to push she was trying to

1098
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: tell that weird joke that never made sense to her.

1099
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: My gosh, the elephant the mouse rape joke was that.

1100
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: I was just like, no idea what she's trying to say.

1101
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: But she was trying to like have a little fun

1102
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: with her mom, and her mom blamed Maureen acting differently

1103
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: like Marian was trying to tell her mom, I haven't

1104
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: eating disorder, I'm not healthy, and her mom was like,

1105
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: pizza boyfriends ruining your wife. I was like, Mom, you dumbass. Yeah,

1106
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: that that that part, you're just like, oh, that sucks.

1107
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: Like she's trying to be open with her mom and

1108
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: her mom's just like not receiving it. That like that

1109
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: I thought was like well written, but for the most part,

1110
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know how how do you all

1111
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: feel about it? Okay? One thing on Maureen, I do

1112
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: think she has the best line in the film. But

1113
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: she says, I'm the best goddamn dancer in whatever company.

1114
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 1: Who the hell are you? I think about it all

1115
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: the time all the time. She says nobody. He's like, oh,

1116
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here. Like she really changed her

1117
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: voice for that pizza boyfriend found like demolish. I also

1118
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: just feel like that subplot between Maureen and I guess

1119
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: his name is Jim the cater writer could have been

1120
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: that subplot could have been written out of the movie.

1121
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: Nothing really would have changed, and I think that screen

1122
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: time could have then been dedicated to if there are

1123
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: going to be romantic subplots, give it to Eric, especially

1124
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: because Jim is like he stalks her. He relentlessly calls

1125
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: her when he finds out. So he finds out her

1126
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: name and where she goes to school, so then he

1127
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: starts calling like the administration building, and also the fact

1128
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: that they would even like say anything, right, and then

1129
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: he just shows up. She walks outside one day and

1130
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: he's just like waiting there for her, and he's like,

1131
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: give here's my phone number, and she's like, okay, I

1132
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: guess we're dating now. In Jim's defense, though this was

1133
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: two thousand people did not have cell phones. It's true,

1134
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: there's no social media. True they had a real connection.

1135
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: How was he ever got to see her again? He

1136
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: knew one d too. I was. I was annoyed at

1137
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: Emily and then I'm like, Emily, why did you give

1138
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: Jim her last name could have prevented Pizza boyfriend. That's

1139
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: why no one wants you around either. I also, I

1140
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: mean so that I feel like he that was a

1141
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: pretty like cut and dry, predatory romance, like we've seen

1142
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: this a ba jillion times, especially in this era. But

1143
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: they also like it felt like a weird thing that

1144
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: he was made out to be like a working class guy.

1145
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: And then they kind of backtrack on that later they're like, well,

1146
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: he's a medical student, so don't worry. He's still like

1147
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: a quote unquote good option for marine. I think there's

1148
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: like a little bit of like classy stuff because I

1149
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be her gobbel gouel boyfriend

1150
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: who like brought her out bowling. And you're like, oh,

1151
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: it's like a working class character in this movie that's

1152
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: like not really full of character. He's the jack of

1153
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: her rose to it. He's not you and McGregor in

1154
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 1: Mulan Route. Why wouldn't you choose Why wouldn't you choose

1155
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: the Maharaja? That's the question I asked myself that every day.

1156
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: That's real love. You know another movie that I would

1157
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: love to talk about anything We already covered it, but

1158
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: we'll do it again. Honestly, we're just gonna have to

1159
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: start doing like the best of favorite movies again. Uh So, Marian,

1160
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think a lot. I mean, like many characters,

1161
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: it's like they start to address they start an interesting

1162
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: conversation and for whatever reason, either they chose not to

1163
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: or like for production reasons, we're not able to follow

1164
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: through on the kind of thing. But I mean, again,

1165
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: like toxic stage parents are so prevalent in ballet that

1166
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this makes sense that this is at

1167
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: least they're trying to and it's melodramatic become of this movie,

1168
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: home movie is whatever. At the end, she's like, I

1169
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: have I have a pizza boyfriend now and that's my future.

1170
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: Her does he give her pizza? I forget why he

1171
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: why pizza is a thing he gives her on their date.

1172
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: She that's the first she has a tip of pizza.

1173
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: And then he's like, babe, you're like classic pizza boy friends,

1174
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: eat it better, eat it the way you're supposed to

1175
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: eat pizza. Come on, act like you've had pizza your

1176
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: parison like that. That's that whole scene. Who else is

1177
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: there is there any I think? Well, I we we

1178
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: sort of touched on this during Jody's section. She's just

1179
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: such a boring protagonist that it's hard to want to

1180
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: talk about her. Yes, sorry, Jody's not perhaps interesting. Yeah,

1181
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: But with Cooper, I was like, was he did you

1182
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: find that he was being? What was there? Like? So

1183
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: are they she's a student and he's in the company.

1184
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: Is that like in terms of predatory? I couldn't really

1185
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: suss out because at first I'm like, is she like sixteen?

1186
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I guess she's eighteen, Like I

1187
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: think they're all supposed to be adults. You're right, it

1188
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: is predatory, and I think that it's the way they

1189
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: tried to write around that is like, well, he's not

1190
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have a lot of power in the company,

1191
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: like he has to start his own because like no

1192
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: one respects him. So it's not like she's sucking someone

1193
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't give him something, give her something. He's just like

1194
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: a guy that happens to be older and like weirdly

1195
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: wanting to hang out and how much older we don't

1196
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: know the after It was twenty five when it was filmed,

1197
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, that's less agreed justus than I

1198
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be, but it was. I

1199
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess we could just be like enough

1200
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: to start your own ballet company with funding business owner.

1201
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: He might. I mean, let's say, to make to make

1202
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: me myself feel better, let's say he was only in

1203
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: the academy for one year prior to that, and he

1204
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: made the companies and now this is his so maybe

1205
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: he's nineteen or twenty. But then they're also like, he

1206
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: went off to London for a while and fucked everyone

1207
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: who lived in his way through and came back. They

1208
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: also really like glaze over the fact. They're like, oh,

1209
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: he also has a serious drinking problem. He also won't

1210
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: stop harrap sink his ex. They wanted to say thing

1211
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: really quickly about his ex Kathleen, who I wish was

1212
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: in the movie more because she just didn't have time

1213
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: for anyone in this movie. Every time she's on screen,

1214
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: she's like whatever, like and then she's like, I'm married

1215
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: to O C Daddy, I'm happy. But they talk kind

1216
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: of cruelly about her at one point where she walks

1217
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: past the younger girls at the beginning and they're like, oh,

1218
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: it's Kathleen, Like she's in the company blah blah blah,

1219
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: and then they're talking about like, oh, well, she married

1220
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: oc daddy, and they're kind of making it seem like

1221
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: she's like she's the one trying to get ahead and yeah,

1222
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: like she's like not gold digging, but yeah, like just

1223
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: trying to secure her place in this company. And that

1224
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: is one thing that kind of goes unchallenged, and they

1225
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of are critical of her for that, but then

1226
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: we see she's really good. It's not like she's horrible

1227
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: and doesn't deserve to be there. And then kind of

1228
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: the same thing with Jody that I felt like weird

1229
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: that it's written this way where Cooper only invites her

1230
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: to dance for him after they've slept together, which she

1231
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem to care about, and she kind of

1232
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: flaunts that in front. I mean, even the dance is

1233
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: that there's a bed on the stage dance. They're like,

1234
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: why don't we go through everything that happened in the

1235
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: two weeks we've known each other right here in a dance.

1236
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of like Mulan Rouge again, because it's

1237
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: like the play Inmory is what's happening in the narrative

1238
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: of the movie. Um, well, that's the thing, Jamie. It's like, um,

1239
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: for such a long time, and even to some extent today,

1240
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: if a woman accomplishes anything, so many people are going

1241
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: to be like, well, who did she fuck to get

1242
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: that thing? And this movie just confirms it and they're

1243
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: just like, well, we know who these two women fucked.

1244
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: They're they're pretty good. And you're just like, I don't

1245
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: like this precedent there or yeah, it was just written

1246
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. Also, it is funny to picture

1247
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: what that whole fifteen minute dance would have been like

1248
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: at the end if Eric did it like that was

1249
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: just supposed to be Eric. That was just supposed to be.

1250
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: Halfway through that he's like, wait is this about that time?

1251
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: He fuck to hold on. I'm just now getting it.

1252
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't have a bed frame about but it was

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01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: just yeah. So so that like, um, just like women's

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: careers being I mean, and there is I forget, Oh

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Speaker 1: I've read something like not too long ago that was

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01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: It was just an argument that sometimes modern feminists come

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: down on that story point a little hard, because there

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01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: were times in history where securing I think it was

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: like something about little women were like securing uh, powerful,

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01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: A man in power was the only way to ensure

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01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: your own survival. But it's two thousand in this movie,

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure some other options I'm every Woman

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01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: had come out likes, and we see that they're both

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01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: talented enough to not need that, so it's weird that

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: the movie doubles down on them needing that on top

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: of being capable. I don't know. There's also that means

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: there's two different love triangles happening, because there's one between Jody,

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: Charlie and Cooper, and there's one between Cooper Mr. O

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01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: C Daddy and then Kathleen. I mean, but is it

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: if Kathleen and O C Daddy are both like get

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01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: away from us? Yeah? Yeah, Cooper is just trying to

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 1: insert himself into it and yes, but it's weird. And

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01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: then like the Kathleen character is just treated again, is

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01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 1: like the object that just keeps getting like tug award

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01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: back and forth. Um, but she I kind of I

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01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: guess that's why I like Kathleen because like people are

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01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: trying to do exactly what they're doing to Jody, which

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01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: just like Yank yank, and Kathleen's sort of like not

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 1: having it, like she there are moments where she's like, Cooper,

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01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: you're being annoying, Like your girlfriend's eighteen, cool but whatever.

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: But it's like she she is like unwilling to engage

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: it in a way that and it's like I don't

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01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: blame Jodie because she's a fictional character and she's very young.

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01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: And that's another way that you're like, oh, he is

1285
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: like Cooper is very emotionally manipul if where like yell

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 1: at her during rehearsal. He's her boss, but he's her boyfriend.

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01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: And there's an eight like the difference for I mean

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: not for everybody, but like if I was eighteen and

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: dating someone in their mid twenties, I would be so

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: out of my fucking depth. I wouldn't have known what

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01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: to do. And so like there's that like it's just

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: a it's just a weird setup they give us. Yeah,

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01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: it's also like that I think that all of her

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: interior life with these relationships, I think it does a

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: disservice to the point of this being a dance movie,

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: because like she is consistently criticized for her like skills

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01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: and abilities, but she's always fine and everything she does

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: is dancing and she's like normally fine. Like the dance class,

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: no one was like keep up ballet girl, like she

1300
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: was great and as we were made to believe she

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01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: was great. And so it's like, wait, so is her

1302
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 1: challenge dance? Because like, even if people are saying you suck,

1303
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: you suck, you suck every day about her body and

1304
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: her turnout and whatever, that has never been a hindrance

1305
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: the finding success. So they're like, well, I guess my

1306
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: only problem then is that I'm boning the sky. Right,

1307
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,520
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm not going to engage in the smoking discourse,

1308
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: So that's not even a problem. But she doesn't have problems.

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: She creates her own very sticking around with these terrible dudes.

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: We're used to seeing white male mediocrity, so this time

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: we're seeing white female pretty far. We're thinking, we gotta

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: wrap up, right, we gotta were Okay, umy gang, Does

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: this movie pass the Bechtel tests? Certainly? Yeah. We're talking

1314
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: about cigarettes. Yeah, we're talking ballet. We're talking about turnout, food,

1315
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: We're talking about we're talking about is your dreams not mine?

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01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: We're talking about a lot of characters, a lot of combinations.

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01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: Definitely talking about passing sky just scared stuff. Um, yeah,

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01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: there's there. They're women are talking about all sorts of

1319
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: things there. There is a larger romantic presence, but that

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01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get in a way of a pass in the test. True.

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01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's rate it on our nipple scale. Zero

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01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: to five nipples, Like how many nipples we saw? I

1323
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: don't really remember any. I think zero maybe the dude

1324
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: nipples maybe nipples. Um, so yeah, zero to five nipples

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01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: based on its representation of women. To me, this one's

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01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: kind of like split down the middle, it's like a

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01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: two point five um, just because it's I think it's

1328
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: making some attempts at trying to tackle various things. None

1329
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: of it goes very far or does anything, but it's

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: also probably it's I think it would have been kind

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: of groundbreaking or impressive for two thousands. So the fact

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01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: that they're including a queer character at all, the fact

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01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: that they're touching on eating disorders, the fact that they

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: include a couple characters of color, different things like that,

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01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: but also just a lot of the other problems that

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01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: we've already discussed. So two point five and I'll give

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: to to Zoe Saldonna and I'll give my remaining half

1338
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: nipple too. I'll give to Maureen's in her new career.

1339
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I feel the same way I think two

1340
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: and a half. I think this movie is like actually

1341
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: making an effort, which in two thousand is like wow,

1342
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: an effort to talk about things, even if it doesn't

1343
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: get all the way there, that's something. Um yeah, it's

1344
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: progress in its way, you know, like attempts for two

1345
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: thousand is not nothing. And in what was you know,

1346
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: intended to be like a widely very popular movie, which

1347
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't, but you know whatever. Um, I just

1348
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: I love dance movies. Yeah. And then I think that

1349
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: like the main points were like yeah, the not really

1350
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 1: it seems like they weren't able to deal with a

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01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: queer storyline in the way that they may have liked to. Um.

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: I wish that we had gotten to learn more about

1353
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: even and avoided a little more of the like stock

1354
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: personality traits there. Um and just like the intense like, um,

1355
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: let's replace any point women could be interacting with hetero

1356
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: plot point of like men that we keep forgetting about. Um.

1357
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: But I love who suck in general? Who are either

1358
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: the worst or Charlie from Seattle, like whatever, Um, I

1359
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: love Sergey. Anyways, two and a half nipples, one to Sergey, uh,

1360
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,799
Speaker 1: one to zoeys sel Donna, and the last half to Kathleen.

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm going strong to nips. Um. I agree with everything

1362
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: both of you just said, so I will. My new point,

1363
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: I guess is that with a movie that has I

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01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: would say upwards of three stars, like people who are

1365
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: well known, this movie should have done better. Um. I

1366
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: think that it's a shame that you can have people

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: who are clearly talented and not use them to the

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01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: best of their abilities, Like the d answer should just

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: been dancing. Why are they talking toone? We regret miss

1370
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: opportunity And I think, yeah, in the genre that it

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: was in, like I considered it kind of like in

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01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: the same era of like high school movies that were

1373
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: like big, like ten things and cruel intentions even like

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that, Um, you know, if

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01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: I had to give my two nipples for all of

1376
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: these things, I would give one nipple to New York

1377
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: City holding it down a beautiful backdrop for a very

1378
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: boring story. And um, okay, I'm gonna give half nipple

1379
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: to Sandy Cohen's eyebrows shout out the beginning of an

1380
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: era and I'll give the other half to Zoe because

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01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: she should smoke in the dorms, burn it down. Who gives?

1382
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: Oh well, Tequila, thank you so much for being for

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: having me. This has been a highlight of my life. Wow,

1384
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: this is wonderful. We're so glad you could come. Where

1385
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: can people follow you online? Check out your stuff that

1386
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: I live on the internet, So follow me on Twitter

1387
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: at Aquila. Obviously subscribe to my podcast. It's a daily

1388
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: news podcast for cricket media called What a Day comes

1389
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: out Monday through Friday. And uh, I don't know, don't

1390
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: show up at my dan's recital if I don't invite you.

1391
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 1: That's it perfect rule at them. Yes, uh yeah. You

1392
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,479
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Speaker 1: and now we all dance away by bye.