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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stenovic on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: Folks, one of the major stories on the geopolitical front,

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Speaker 2: didn't I want to see the markets front as well,

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Speaker 2: is semiconductors. It's chips. It has everything to do with

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Speaker 2: President Biden's kind of plan to bring back a lot

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Speaker 2: of the production state side. So we decided we would

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Speaker 2: speak to an industry expert who could shed a little

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Speaker 2: bit more light on that very story. We are joined

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Speaker 2: by Jonathan Clampkins, CEO of Aluma from Santa Barbara, California.

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Speaker 2: First off, Santa Barbara, California. Oh my gosh, so jealous,

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Speaker 2: it sounds amazing. We're gonna get his travel tips in

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Speaker 2: just a second. But let's give a little bit of

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Speaker 2: information on what Aluma actually is. Almu is the stock symbole,

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Speaker 2: It's a semiconductor company. But I'm gonna let him get

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Speaker 2: into the nitty gritty in a second. To me, what

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Speaker 2: really stands out, Jonathan about your company is when you

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Speaker 2: talk about production, your exposure to China is zero. You

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Speaker 2: are making it right here in the United States. Talk

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Speaker 2: to us a little bit about how that affects your pricing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sort of been our strategy from the onset,

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Speaker 1: and Aluma is a unique company. We have a very

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Speaker 1: disruptive technology. We do a piece of the manufacturing process

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Speaker 1: in house in Santa Barbara, California, and then we also

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Speaker 1: work with external foundries that currently are all US based.

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Speaker 1: We're an early stage company. We're at that point where

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Speaker 1: we're transitioning from R and D to production, so we're

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Speaker 1: not in mass production. But I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: benefit to building your semiconductor chips on shore. For one,

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Speaker 1: we can protect our technology to a greater degree, and

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Speaker 1: I think this puts US in a good position moving forward,

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Speaker 1: given all the incentives to do manufacturing on shore via

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Speaker 1: the Chips and Science Act.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but not to be the debbie downer here, Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: As you know, a lot of production has taken overseas

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Speaker 3: in order to scale and of course keep cost down.

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Speaker 3: So what is your solution to that, particularly on the

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Speaker 3: labor side for keeping costs down.

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting about our technology is we're not building

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Speaker 1: the advanced node semiconductors that you hear about in the

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Speaker 1: news quite a bit. So now there are incentives to

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Speaker 1: bring some of that manufacturing back on shore, some of

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Speaker 1: the incentives to build advanced node semiconductor large semi fabs

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Speaker 1: in the US, we focused on what are known as

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Speaker 1: mature node technologies, high performance compound semiconductors. Today, they're extremely

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Speaker 1: expensive regardless of where you manufacture them, and what Aluma

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Speaker 1: has is the ability to mass manufacture those high performance technologies.

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Speaker 1: So we're already showing our customers that we have the

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Speaker 1: potential to reduce costs by a factor of ten x

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Speaker 1: regardless of where our chips are manufactured.

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned at all about tariffs, whether that's in

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Speaker 2: terms of importing materials or exporting your final product.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I mean we do worry,

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Speaker 1: of course about export laws. That's very critical, and I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to see export laws become more and

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Speaker 1: more strict as we forward, for fear of losing some

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Speaker 1: of our technologies to our adversary. So it's something that

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Speaker 1: we invest resources in understandingstanding export law, ensuring that if

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Speaker 1: we were to send technologies to other countries, to customers

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Speaker 1: and other countries, that we have the proper export licenses.

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Speaker 1: For now, all of our manufacturing is done in the US.

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Speaker 1: All of our customers are in the US or at

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Speaker 1: least have US offices that we're directly selling to, So

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Speaker 1: not a major concern for us today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder to what extent I guess what you

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Speaker 3: are worried about when it comes to not just I

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Speaker 3: know you're in the semiconductor space, and that's a key

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Speaker 3: indicator of big tech overall. Are you concerning yourself with

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Speaker 3: some of the macro headwinds that we talk about all

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Speaker 3: the time here at Bloomberg that are impacting some of

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Speaker 3: those megacap tech companies. For sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're a small, early stage company, but we

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Speaker 1: of course worry about what's happening in the broader economy,

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Speaker 1: in the broader industry, Like, for example, we hear about

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Speaker 1: all the issues in the banking industry. We weren't doing

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Speaker 1: any direct banking with the banks that were impacted, but

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Speaker 1: we do worry about what that does to investor confidence.

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Speaker 1: We rely heavily on our investor to keep our company afloat.

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Speaker 1: We want our customers to be doing well, otherwise they'll

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Speaker 1: retract and sort of the global economy. We do worry

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Speaker 1: about security. We've heard a lot in the context of

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Speaker 1: apply chain security, which are all very important, but we

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Speaker 1: innovation security. If we offshore our manufacturing, we're handing technologies off,

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Speaker 1: we're handing manufacturing, we're also handing over the intellectual property

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't come back. That's an issue. I also worry,

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Speaker 1: if we're not doing things, if we're not building hardware,

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Speaker 1: especially for high tech, and we're part of that ecosystem.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know that you're a company. Part of the

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Speaker 3: reason that you are part of the major team responding

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Speaker 3: to the Chips Act initiatives is everything that you just mentioned.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if I can get your take on the

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Speaker 3: Chips ACT. If you had to give it a letter

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Speaker 3: grade in terms of potential impact, what would you give it?

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Speaker 1: Can I give it a plus? At least in context?

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Speaker 1: I think it's great. There's so much more interest in semiconductors.

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Speaker 1: There was a lull there for a few years where

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Speaker 1: investors weren't looking at hardware, weren't looking at semiconductors as much.

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Speaker 1: They were looking more at software companies. But semiconductors are

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Speaker 1: so important. They fuel essentially everything that we do. We're

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Speaker 1: relying on semiconductors to speak right now, So I think

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Speaker 1: fundamentally the Chips and science that's is great. We're starting

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Speaker 1: teams are responding to. We've already responded the one of

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Speaker 1: the solicitations that's come out through the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 1: and there's many more to come. So we're very excited

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Speaker 1: about what the Chips Act is going to do. And

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Speaker 1: in terms of public funding and support for research and

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Speaker 1: development for semiconductor manufacturing, this is bigger than anything I've

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, of course you'd give it an A plus. That's

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Speaker 2: like if I could give ward myself a grade, I

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Speaker 2: would also give myself an A plus. But Jonathan, talk

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Speaker 2: lot about how chips are, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: In my eyes, they are a bigger bell weather for

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Speaker 2: your recessionary call here, when do you expect it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well, we saw this in this specific

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Speaker 1: And the technology that we're building is sort of a

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Speaker 1: So if some of these macro issues are at play,

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Speaker 1: our customers are not going to invest as readily in

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Speaker 1: They're going to worry about the technology that's already there.

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Speaker 1: But I think things are looking up in our industry.

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Speaker 1: The automotive OEMs, the car manufacturers are all very dedicated

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of pieces to digest. Jonathan Clampkin, the

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Speaker 2: CEO of Aluma. ALMU is a ticker on the New

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Speaker 2: York Stock Exchange. I believe we thank you as always

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Speaker 2: for your time and insight on a chip sector. Matty.

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Speaker 2: That is I still think driving the conversation. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was the entire story of twenty twenty one, right

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Speaker 2: that there are no chips, How are we going to

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Speaker 2: make washing machines and cars and phones? And what will

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Speaker 2: Tesla do? And right, what happened to that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's exactly what Jonathan said. It's part of

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Speaker 3: everything that we touch, including how we're having this conversation,

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Speaker 3: and it's also a really key component of what we're

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Speaker 3: going to see from these big tech companies. We keep

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Speaker 3: having the conversation about how Apple is looking to diversify,

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Speaker 3: going into Ireland, India, even here in the US. So

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Speaker 3: as those geopolitical tensions continue with the US and China,

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Speaker 3: it's a very tenuous situation.

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Speaker 2: And how some of the big tech companies, to your point,

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Speaker 2: Apple were making their own chips certainly something that's going

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