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Speaker 1: You know what's a unique Mother's Day conundrum that? Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: it back. I was gonna say you don't have to

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Speaker 1: you have mothers and you are married to women who

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Speaker 2: Wait?

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Speaker 3: Do I did I have to get stuff for Sue

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Speaker 3: every month? I don't get stuff for Sue on Mother's Day?

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Speaker 3: Am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 4: Say Happy Mother's Day?

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Speaker 5: Probably not?

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Did you not say Happy Mother's Day? Today?

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Speaker 4: Say happy?

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Speaker 1: What about you celebrate the holiday my mom?

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Speaker 3: I say to my mom? I say to my mom.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, because you know, our kids, our kid,

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Speaker 3: but she's thirty five.

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Speaker 1: I don't matter. She's still a mother.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 5: I never think about it. I guess you guys don't

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Speaker 1: So like, let's say, does Susan spend every Mother's Day

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so let's say they're not spending it together. Huh,

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Speaker 1: what do you do for your wife Susan for Mother's Day?

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Speaker 5: I let her cook me my favorite meal.

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Speaker 1: Will this is not a bit?

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Speaker 4: That is a bit? No? I literally never thought about

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Speaker 3: I've never thought about it where it's like it's mother

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Speaker 3: It's oh no, I know Lexi's thirty five. It's like

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Speaker 3: happy Mother's Day, send flowers or do something. I worship it.

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Speaker 3: I worship my wife every other day. I don't worship

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, your mom's over thirty five, isn't she.

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Speaker 5: No, just about she's gonna be thirty five this year.

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Speaker 7: No, yeah, no, I mean it's it's definitely like Mother's

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Speaker 4: And then it was like, oh, time for me.

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Speaker 7: To call my mom. But also acknowledge my wife. Yes,

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Speaker 7: and like we do something. I usually get a card

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Speaker 7: That makes more sense.

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Speaker 5: You've got a little kid, you live together with the kids.

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Speaker 7: But it's about her identity as a mother. It's not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I h My mom has always loved Mother's Day,

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Speaker 1: You take a mantle now, now, yeah, OK, so it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's hard.

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Speaker 1: My mom has tried to be very like all come

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Speaker 1: I've had forty years of Mother's days. Let's let it

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Speaker 4: Could do that. I mean.

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Speaker 7: The other thing that's ironically happens between me and Alex

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Speaker 7: And then like Alex has been like, you can go

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Speaker 4: You know, there's been like but it's yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Iron like you don't like Mother's Day. The woman who

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Speaker 1: Pretty nuts?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna have to celebrate too. I'm gonna I

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Speaker 1: You oweer a whole bunch of just nice, nice little things.

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Speaker 5: But I give her nice little things all the time.

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Speaker 5: I enjoy giving her nice things. I like worshiping her

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Speaker 3: I like to be like, hey, babe, this is for

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Speaker 1: This, right, But same thing with Valentine's Day, Like Valentine's

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Speaker 5: Celebrate at the time, you never celebrate Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 3: With birthday, right, it's like, yeah, like that's a personalized

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Speaker 5: That's what That's what the birthday is. It's the only birthday.

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Speaker 1: Ask for from gen every year, I get a hotel

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Speaker 1: Mother's Day. No for that for Mother's Day. What my

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Speaker 5: Does every day is my Mother's Day?

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Speaker 3: Baby, every day is my Mother's Day.

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Speaker 1: I also want to acknowledge that this holiday is hard

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Speaker 4: It's like what a mother? Mother?

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Speaker 1: Punky Brewster was a worldwide phenomenon. You had a cartoon, toys,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, four kids. Crazy, so incredible. Well, you

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Speaker 6: I mean seriously, you know that is a fantastic question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta get everybody on the same on the same game.

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Speaker 1: There so much footage.

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Speaker 1: If you had to guess, how many times do you

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Speaker 6: But I definitely went to Jerry's Deli at least oh yeah.

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Speaker 6: Studio City and for Mosa Cafe at least of that.

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Speaker 2: Cafe Fifties I was really into.

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Speaker 1: Also, oh yeah, oh I remember Cafe fifties.

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Speaker 1: It's not wild, so funny, so many, so many great

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I might have gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not too long ago.

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Speaker 3: But no, I think I told you on the panel

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Speaker 3: be an actor. I mean, I saw kids on the

444
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Speaker 3: screen and you just.

445
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Speaker 5: Go that that I need to do that, I have

446
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,719
Speaker 5: to do that, and your show is certainly one of those.

447
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: Again, I think I also told you there was some

448
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 3: there's still some trauma from the refrigerator episode, from the

449
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: Challenger episode.

450
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 5: There's a few.

451
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 3: It's like the smoking episode for different Strokes, which had

452
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: the opposite effect on me, and I was already smoking

453
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 3: by ten, but I stay out.

454
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Speaker 5: What you do? You stay away from refrigerators. It was

455
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 5: like they would just get into your head. And this

456
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 5: was one of these shows as a kid that was

457
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 5: so unbelievably important to me.

458
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 3: So I get a chance to say thank you for that,

459
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 3: because without those shows, I don't think I'd be sitting

460
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: here right now.

461
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: So I love that.

462
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 6: And I just heard a story yesterday from Cherry which

463
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 6: I have to get to the bottom of to find

464
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 6: out if, in truth, something around ice Cube's name may

465
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 6: have had to do with the refrigerator.

466
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: But we have to find out. I would have just

467
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: been somebody getting me.

468
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: Really excited and cherry.

469
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Speaker 6: Now what if I'm like sharing it and then but

470
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 6: I have to look this up because that would be

471
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 6: like one of the coolest things in the entire universe

472
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 6: if somehow like this that was true. I got like

473
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 6: got inspired by a Punky Brewster episode that would be like,

474
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 6: we can't we.

475
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 5: Got to do.

476
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 4: I don't remember this episode. I never saw it.

477
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 5: Surprisingly, Punky Brewster is one of the.

478
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Speaker 7: Few shows I do remember as a kid because I

479
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 7: didn't I never had television, but I would go to

480
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 7: my grandmother's house and watch it. And I must have

481
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 7: somehow got her to tape them or something, because I

482
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 7: watched a lot of Punky Brewster and was, like Will said,

483
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 7: it was one of the first where I was like,

484
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 7: oh my god, that is a kid like I wanted.

485
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: To be you I was.

486
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 6: And then and then writer and I ended up in

487
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Speaker 6: the Summer Camp movie together.

488
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: Oh we know, Summertime Switch. Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta

489
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: talk about that. I'd love to know your memories about

490
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: that summer in Atlanta? Okay, where were we Jackson Jacks Okay,

491
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Speaker 1: I thought it was Atlanta the.

492
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Speaker 2: First of all.

493
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Speaker 6: I okay, first of all, I remember that. I think

494
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 6: I had died blonde hair or something like that. But

495
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 6: that wasn't all of my memories. I feel like I

496
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 6: was really young on that by myself. I feel like

497
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 6: I was maybe like seventeen years old.

498
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 7: There's some yes, but you were older than the rest

499
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 7: of us, Like that was yes.

500
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 2: But you guys were like fourteen fifteen and we.

501
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 4: Still had our parents.

502
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 7: We still had our parents, and you were by yourself,

503
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 7: and I remember you were like the cool older teenager

504
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 7: hanging out there and we.

505
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 4: All were at the hotel.

506
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 7: I know you and I didn't get to work together

507
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 7: that much, but I was so funny because when your

508
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 7: documentary came out, my mom said to me, she was like, well,

509
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 7: don't you remember so Lee always had a camera And

510
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 7: I was like, what are you talking about?

511
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 4: I didn't remember this.

512
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 7: She was like, she had the best, awesomest video camera

513
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 7: that we came you could get back then, and she

514
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 7: was always filled.

515
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Speaker 4: Me was like, I can't believe you remember that, and.

516
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 6: By the way, I do think I did find video

517
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 6: of that time, and I remember there was a really

518
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 6: cool town that I went to one day.

519
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: There's amazing church, and I have footage of it, and

520
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: I was like, ooh, I did.

521
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 6: I had my video camera with me, and then I

522
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 6: would do oh my god, I would do risky. There

523
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 6: was like you know those teeny tiny honeyweys where it's like,

524
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 6: oh yeah, I remember this because I found a video

525
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 6: of it as I was doing Kid ninety, where I

526
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 6: was full blown, like doing like risky business in the honeywagon.

527
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I think like Jane's smoking.

528
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I was like, I don't know.

529
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: I was like the wild counselor.

530
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, According to Billboard, an ice Cube

531
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: his brother would throw him in. So his brother was

532
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: always getting girls, and he said his brother said to him,

533
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: he's thirteen.

534
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 5: That refrigerator down the street. I'm going to take you

535
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 5: down there.

536
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: I'm slamming you in the freezer, and when they pull

537
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: you out, you're going to be an ice cube.

538
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god.

539
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 5: So there you go.

540
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: Because like people knew that.

541
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Speaker 1: Hi, thank you, Wow.

542
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: I think you just made my entire year.

543
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean that feels like a punky reference.

544
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it kind of feels like a punky reference.

545
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 5: It does, it absolutely does. That's perfect timing too.

546
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 6: I'm gonna really have to find ice Cube Ether and

547
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 6: be like, uh, this is this is your this is

548
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 6: your recorded here on your podcast.

549
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: It's so exciting. Literally I had this conversation, you know.

550
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: But here's the beauty of it, right.

551
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 6: I love that you guys are here together, right, And

552
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 6: how funny and beautiful is it that I can say

553
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 6: I was talking to Cherry yesterday, you know. I think

554
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 6: that's something that's like so special about so many of

555
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 6: our relationships is that these are real connections, real love,

556
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 6: real French. It's real like dynamics, and you see that

557
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 6: with you guys, you know, Cherry and I have that,

558
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 6: and I think that's really really special, like yeah, really special.

559
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 6: And and so as much as we grew up in

560
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 6: this like very surreal world that we're in, like there's

561
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 6: so much depth to it and our playground and at

562
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 6: the same time, like there's a great deal of love there.

563
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 6: And I just that like just hit me that. I

564
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 6: was like, oh, I was just talking to her yesterday

565
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 6: and you guys are like, it's just a.

566
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: Really We've also talked about how even if we'd never

567
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: worked together, anyone who was around and in that same circle,

568
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: there is just a there's a real love and mutual

569
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: respect and like there's a comforting feeling being together where

570
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: there's a shorthand we don't have to try to feel sane.

571
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird, just it's like a safe space where

572
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: other people become your safe space.

573
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 6: It's strength totally, And I think it was such a

574
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 6: small group of us, right, Like, yeah, and that's why

575
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 6: sometimes when I talk about you know that there's friends

576
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 6: that have gone on to have these amazing, beautiful lives

577
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 6: and then some of my dearest friends who didn't make it.

578
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 6: You know, it's and like not superficial friends, like really

579
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 6: true relationship. So it is so layered, and I think

580
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 6: that's such a universal, you know thing across the board,

581
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 6: right totally.

582
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: Well, both of your documentaries Kid ninety and now The

583
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: Carter's Hurts to Love you deal with the price of

584
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: adolescent fame. Do you think there's any part of you

585
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: that has some survivor's guilt about it?

586
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: That's such a great question.

587
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 6: I think that when when I was making Kid ninety,

588
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 6: I really really had. So I mean that it was

589
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 6: such a peeling back of the onion because when I

590
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 6: started it, I wasn't setting out to make a documentary

591
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 6: that was so personal.

592
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be about everyone but me.

593
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: Then it became like really personal experience.

594
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 6: And I felt like with that, I was like, I

595
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 6: just I didn't see it, you know, And now I

596
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 6: was reliving the tapes and the audio and I was like,

597
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, Like now that I can see it,

598
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: you know, like it it was like a veil lifted, right,

599
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 6: And so I went through that process and that was,

600
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 6: you know, really very much a love letter that I

601
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 6: got to share with with others who we all you know,

602
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 6: could connect to it. And then I went through another

603
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 6: experience on a documentary that I've been working on with

604
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 6: someone that I love deeply, and then again I was like,

605
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: if I could only see it, and then this time

606
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 6: I was seeing it and at the same time, I

607
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 6: didn't feel like I could see that person, right.

608
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 2: So then there's that element, you know.

609
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 6: And so I think there's always that kind of inner

610
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 6: part of me that's felt like wanting to do whatever

611
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 6: I can to you know some kind of you know

612
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 6: that that's that inner spirit of just wanting to do

613
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 6: whatever I can to help others, you know.

614
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: And do more.

615
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 6: And and through that journey, which was so emotional as well,

616
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 6: I learned like I'm not able to necessarily, you know,

617
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 6: save someone as much as I want to.

618
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: What I can do is I.

619
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 6: Can put that into art and into my family and

620
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 6: into my loved ones and philanthropic work that I do,

621
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 6: and I can continue to be empathetic and continue to

622
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 6: help sharing stories and creating a say space for people

623
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 6: to share their truth and their stories and be an

624
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 6: instrument for something way bigger than me. And so that's

625
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 6: what I've really set out to do, and really with

626
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: this experience with the Carters is like, look, I can

627
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: do my best to like provide a safe space, and

628
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 6: I feel a moral responsibility in that. And so that's

629
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 6: where it's where it's gone for me. Is that to

630
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 6: look back and to feel guilt about not being able to,

631
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 6: you know, save the people I loved that wouldn't you know, wouldn't.

632
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Help or serve you, Yeah, But to.

633
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 6: Feel the grief and to really take that grief and

634
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 6: turn it into art and into light and to love,

635
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 6: because I was saying, you know, recently, it's like I

636
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 6: have tried to.

637
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Work grief away, love grief away.

638
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 6: You know, and it comes back to, you know, catches

639
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: up with you. I was talking my dear friend Brian

640
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 6: about this recently and sharn and you know, it's like

641
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 6: it's just something that sticks with you. Rightly go through

642
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 6: it and then it can still come and you know,

643
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 6: sneak up on you. So my dream is to continue

644
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 6: to create safe spaces for people to share their stories

645
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 6: and for it to touch people. And that's how I

646
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 6: best can you know, can heal and not feel that guilt, you.

647
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Know, And it has snuck up on me a few times, but.

648
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 6: You know, again it has come with a great deal

649
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 6: of There's been a lot of loss in life. There's

650
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 6: been so much joy and so much love and so

651
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 6: much you know, so much happiness, and there's also been

652
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: a lot of loss.

653
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: You've had so many different experiences and now have documented

654
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: many different cases of the dark instances of the dark

655
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: side of child stardom. Has there been any sort of

656
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: tangible through line or something you can point to specifically

657
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: that feels like a common denominator.

658
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: It's such a great question.

659
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 6: You know, I think that you know, for me, it's

660
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 6: interesting because it's like this onion that continues to peel back.

661
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: Because even through this.

662
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 6: Process with the with the Carters, you know, watching the

663
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: lengths that they went to, and you know, Aaron like

664
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 6: just you know, just wanting to be loved and being

665
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: such a people pleaser. And I was like, oh my goodness,

666
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Speaker 6: like I can so understand that kind of wanting to

667
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 6: feel loved. Even you can have a completely stable family,

668
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 6: parents that love you, and still that desire to want

669
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 6: to be loved. We all want to be loved, right,

670
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 6: we all want to feel that that love. And and

671
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Speaker 6: so I do think there's this there is this common thread,

672
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 6: which is that you know that that we all want

673
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: to be loved and we all want to do our best.

674
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Speaker 6: And I think that, you know, I could see a

675
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Speaker 6: lot of my friends in these journeys and and I

676
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 6: think when you take those elements of wanting to be

677
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Speaker 6: a people pleaser and you compile it with mental health

678
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 6: and all of these different dynamics that that can become,

679
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 6: you know, just bigger than life. And I look at

680
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 6: so many of our amazing artists and icons that are

681
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: no longer with us, and you you know, you question,

682
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Speaker 6: like to what length, you know, what pushes somebody over

683
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Speaker 6: the edge.

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Speaker 1: You know, Well, one part of kid ninety that really

685
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Speaker 1: resonated with me was the focus on your body as

686
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Speaker 1: a child, and how strange it was that we allowed

687
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Speaker 1: this kind of discourse. Do you think we've gotten any

688
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Speaker 1: better with this as a society?

689
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 6: You know, I had so many insecurities growing up, like

691
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 6: going through you know, puberty in the public eye, and

692
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Speaker 6: I think it just got so exasperated with you know,

693
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Speaker 6: with social media and literally watching the what has gone

694
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Speaker 6: on through you know, the fact that anyone can be

695
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 6: behind a screen right now and in social media, and

696
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 6: so I think it's just gotten amplified so much. And

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Speaker 6: I don't think we've really begun to look at what

698
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 6: this is doing to you know, I mean, haven't even

699
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 6: begun to scratch the surface of how this is affected

700
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Speaker 6: you know, teens and kids and being a mother and

701
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Speaker 6: seeing it. You know, it's just it's heart wrenching because

702
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 6: anyone can hide behind a screen and say anything they

703
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 6: want to anyone, and and so often can be objectified.

704
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Speaker 6: So I think for me, my one of my biggest

705
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 6: goals is like that we actually have conversations around this,

706
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 6: that we have these conversations, that we talk about it

707
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 6: with our families and our loved ones, and not sweep

708
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 6: but under the rugs, so that we actually know what's

709
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Speaker 6: so that we can better be compassionate and understanding each other.

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Speaker 7: It's really interesting the way you answered that question, because

711
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 7: I think in my mind, you know, just listening to

712
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Speaker 7: how Danielle phrased it, I was like thinking, right, it's

713
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Speaker 7: it must it's gotten better to be a female celebrity

714
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Speaker 7: or an adolescent female celebrity. But actually, what you're saying

715
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Speaker 7: is that we've actually just turned it outward so that

716
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 7: almost every your average girl is her own celebrity.

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Speaker 4: In the public.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's like, oh my god, you're right, You're

719
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Speaker 7: so right. It does seem like at least now, like

720
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Speaker 7: I saw Millie Bobby Brown calling out like the way

721
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Speaker 7: that she's been called out for her appearance in a

722
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Speaker 7: way that is like male actors. So I feel like

723
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Speaker 7: the conversation is out there at least like in a

724
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Speaker 7: way that back in the day, like when you guys

725
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 7: were going through it, you guys being sexualized at a

726
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 7: young age was totally normal, which is crazy. And then yeah,

727
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 7: and then conversations around your or your body is it's

728
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 7: just fair game and a weird episodes about it and

729
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 7: we had it was crazy that that has gotten better.

730
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Speaker 7: But you're right that in general, this social media landscape

731
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Speaker 7: has made it so that everybody, every teenager kind of

732
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Speaker 7: is a famous person.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: I think you're so right. I think that it's so

735
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 6: amazing that there are conversations and that me the fact

736
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 6: that we're even talking about this right now shows me

737
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: that there's growth, and that's incredible.

738
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Speaker 2: Seeing the way.

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Speaker 6: In which and watching it when working on the carters,

740
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Speaker 6: like seeing the things that were said to this young

741
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Speaker 6: man when he was in such a vulnerable awful, and

742
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 6: that anyone can say anything male, female, and it's so

743
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 6: easy to hide behind a screen to just say whatever

744
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 6: you want and have no accountability, you know, and and

745
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 6: to go back to the point of just wanting to

746
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: feel loved. Right, So it's like and then whatever endorphins

747
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 6: and everything, like, oh, people are liking, people are giving

748
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 6: me positive attention, and what does that look like? Like

749
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Speaker 6: what does that represent to female or male as they're developing.

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Speaker 2: I just I think it's so layered, so layered.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I have a question then, because we don't

752
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: focus on it a lot, but we certainly talk about

753
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: it a lot. And I think it's important because we're

754
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: putting a spotlight on some of the negative sides of

755
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: growing up in the entertainment industry, and.

756
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Speaker 5: There are plenty. What was your favorite part about growing

757
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 5: up as a child.

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00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 6: Oh my god, so many favorite parties. Like it was

759
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 6: so funny that my mom the other day's.

760
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, are you okay?

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Speaker 6: You know, like, because there is like so much emotion

762
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 6: to like the painful parts. But I'm always like for

763
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 6: everyone that had like this painful experience, there's so many

764
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Speaker 6: friends that have had these incredibly beautiful lives. I have

765
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 6: like the most amazing kids, and I'm so thankful, And

766
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 6: I literally like the sound stage was like our playground,

767
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 6: and we got to scooter around the lot and we

768
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 6: got to jump around on our pogo sticks and play

769
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Speaker 6: dress up. Like it was a dream come true in

770
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Speaker 6: so many ways. So that's the thing is I think

771
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 6: there's it's just the roller coaster of life. There's been

772
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 6: so much good, Like, yeah, so much good. I have

773
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 6: the most happy memories of you know, going on fun adventures.

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Speaker 2: It was so awesome.

775
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 6: When I would be working in a different state, my

776
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 6: mom would ask if I could bring a friend with me,

777
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 6: and like we would land wherever we were and we'd

778
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 6: go to like the local carnival. I mean things like

779
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 6: that that just like these totally special, rarefied, exquisite experiences,

780
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 6: you know, And I mean I loved boxing. My dad

781
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 6: was a golden glove boxer. I got to meet Mohammed Ali,

782
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 6: like I Harry Coke on him, went to like a

783
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 6: Bruce Springsteen concert with Michael Jackson Elizabeth Taylor, Like these are.

784
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Speaker 4: The most.

785
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 6: Amazing, colorful mo Like I just have had so much joy,

786
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 6: like so much joy, so by again, like I think

787
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 6: it's that polarity, right, Like there's so much to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, everyone, you can watch The Carter's Hurts to Love

789
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Speaker 1: You Now on Paramount Plus. My last question for you,

790
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Slay is what would you like people to come away

791
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: after they watch the documentary? What do you want them

792
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: to come away with at the end of it.

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Speaker 2: I love that question.

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Speaker 6: I really really hope it encourages us to have deeper

795
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 6: conversations around mental illness and addiction and destigmatize these conversations

796
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 6: because I think they're really important to have, and I

797
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 6: don't think we have to feel shame around them.

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00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't think we have to live in guild.

799
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Speaker 6: I think we have to be able to just be

800
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: more open with each other and check on each other,

801
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 6: and to know that we're not going through it alone.

802
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 6: I don't know any family that's not touched in some

803
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 6: way or another by these issues, So I think I

804
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 6: think they're really universal, and I hope that it continues

805
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 6: this conversation in a more universal way, and that as

806
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 6: much as there's pain in this story, there's also so

807
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 6: much heart and love and hope because you look at

808
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 6: the generational patterns and how Angel is really working to

809
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 6: break the generational cycle and through her strength, you know,

810
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 6: you see this incredible light, and I hope it provides

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Speaker 6: healing for she and Nick and their family and for others,

812
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 6: and that people watch it and see a part of themselves,

813
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 6: you know. I think that's been one of the most

814
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 6: rewarding parts of hearing from people after they've seen it,

815
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 6: and having them walk into.

816
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: Like being like how am I going to relate to

817
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: this family?

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Speaker 6: And then like literally after watching it, going I had

819
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 6: no idea like this reminded me so much of my

820
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 6: own family, or this reminded me so much of someone

821
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 6: I knew, and so that to me is so rewarding

822
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 6: and special when somebody can connect to some part of

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00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 6: their own lives through someone's journey.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for being with us. What's

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: next for you? Where can people find you? How can

826
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: people support you? Other than watching the documentaries?

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Speaker 6: I know you and watch and then you Hulu watched

828
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 6: Kid ninety and yeah, and there's lots more to come.

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Speaker 5: And is Punky streaming anywhere can people watch?

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00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: I think that is streaming on peacock. I would think, okay, okay,

831
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Speaker 6: you can go across all these platforms, every platform with

832
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 6: me and watch my kids doing all sorts of fun things,

833
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 6: and you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is Jagger in the industry now?

835
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Speaker 6: Jagger is a phenomenal filmmaker. Yeah, she's she's amazing, poet,

836
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 6: is phenomenal off at college and dancing and adding social

837
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 6: justice and anthropology and just mind blowing. And my eleven

838
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 6: year old's brilliant, and the eight year old. It's just

839
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: so special and amazing, and I just feel like the

840
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 6: luckiest person in the entire world.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

842
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: I would I would like to have one guest come

843
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: on and go, my nineteen year old amazing the eight

844
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: year old, like you never hear that.

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00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: They might turn into something incredibly, So thank you so

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00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: much for being with us. We so appreciate you.

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00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 7: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Wow. It's so cool. She's doing such great things with

850
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, her voice and her platform, and yeah.

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00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 5: She was what I mean, she's on that list for me.

852
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: She's absolutely on that list for me of just watching

853
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: her and going that I need to do that, I

854
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: need to find a way to do that.

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00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 5: I think it was also like because she had an

857
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: unusual name and I had an unusual name. Oh yeah, she.

858
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: Was like this kind of like hippie.

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00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, that's totally gonna be me someday.

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Speaker 1: I just a hit.

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Speaker 5: I wanted just a hippie kid, That's all I wanted. Though,

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00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 5: I mean it was she was.

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Speaker 3: She's responsible for I think a young like a whole

864
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: generation of younger actors watching shows like that and Different

865
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Speaker 3: Strokes where the lead was seven, eight, nine years old

866
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: and it just made you go, god, man, I want

867
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Speaker 3: to try that.

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00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: So yeah, she's she's one of the OG's.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on

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Speaker 1: we've got Merch Merchie.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to trying to do it like Punky, Punky.

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Speaker 4: How are you who? Always?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Punky Merchie, Punky, that's my best impression, Punky Hunger Punker.

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Speaker 1: Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song

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Speaker 1: is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Pod Meets World Show or email us at Podmeets

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Speaker 1: Worldshow at gmail dot com.