1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: I never told you production of Iheartradiu. And welcome to 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: another sub sub sub whatever sub segment fictional women around 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: the world. This one is gonna be shorter, and I'm 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: going to talk about why in a second, Oh dear, 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: But we are in like a pretty big nerd time 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: for me because Dragon CON's coming up, my birthday's coming up, 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: which means I let myself induld in all kinds of 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: nerdy stuff, which means Star Wars and not as sponsor 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: of the show. But Ahsoka is coming out August twenty 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: third the show, and so I wanted to do an 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: episode on Harris and Doula. Now, I okay, I don't 13 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: think there's gonna any spoilers because I and not just me, 14 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: think that this show is going to blow up a 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: lot of cannon. So I don't even want to go 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: into it because it's probably not going to be is 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Hammah from the One Rebels, Okay, yeah, yeah, I know her, 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: okay yeah, And yeah she's gonna be in Ahsoka. I 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: have no idea what happens in there, obviously, so I 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: can't spoil that for you. I guess Rebels is recent ish, 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: but I feel like the time is passed. That passed, 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: isn't I think it's like twenty seventeen. I don't know, 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: don't boy, It could be any time now. I watched 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: it during the pandemic, so. 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: I watched it after. 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Well, I am not going to go to end depth, 27 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: but if you've seen Rebels, there is something they introduced 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: in their called the World between Worlds, which kind of 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: breaks everything. I loved it. It was beautiful, but it 30 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: means that essentially, it's like the multiverse of Star Wars. 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: It's like you can go back in time, you can 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: place and that's how Ezra. That's from Darth. 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: Vader, because I was like, then, why can't he say 34 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 2: what's his name? 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: Canaan? Yes, Yes, which was supposed to be the point, 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: like that he had to like let go, but I 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: was like, but he didn't let go? Okay, whatever. But 38 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: some people think that this is gonna really lean on 39 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: that idea and perhaps, and this is a wild theory. 40 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: I heard today that I was like, oh, please know 41 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: that they're going to bring Anakin Skywalker back, like back back, 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: like not as a like flashback, but like back. We'll 43 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: see bad guys. Well, I don't think he'd be a 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: bad guy. I think it would be pre the Vader 45 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: Anakin Skywalker, I know who the bad guys shaw. Okay, Yeah, 46 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: you're right. I don't for sure. I have my very 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: strong beliefs. So I guess this goes. This dovetails really 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: well with our standard Star Wars disclaimer. Cannon is very 49 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: mussy and it's very confusing, and it has changed several times. 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: I've heard another theory that Sabine is going to be 51 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: for sensitive in this, which she definitely was not in 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: the show. So yeah, we'll just we're gonna go with it. 53 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of if you can see our past episodes on 54 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: Bokatan Ahsoka, which is a classic that's coming out soon, 55 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Sabine Satene mon Mathma totally forgot. But yeah, is a 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: part of this, Okay. So. Harrison Dula is a Twileck 57 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: woman born a few years before the Clone Wars. Her 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: character was featured largely during Rebels, and it's played by 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Mary Elizabeth Winstead in the upcoming Ahsoka series live action. 60 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: She's also in the Bad Batch, where we get to 61 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: see her coming of age story and she's briefly I 62 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: don't know that. I would say she's in Rogue one, 63 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: but she's like there, I don't know. It's a very 64 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: vague cameo, but yes, she's in the Rise of Skywalker 65 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: pretty briefly, comics games and all that stuff. She is 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: from the planet Rylof, which is the home of the Twilex, 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and that's one of the largest groups of species in 68 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: the Star Wars galaxy. Her father is General chem Sendula, 69 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: and he helped lead Rylo off against the separatist during 70 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the Clone Wars. He was also very much against the 71 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: Empire as it was rising. In her youth, Harrah rescue 72 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: a Droid C one ten pe better known as Chopper 73 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: Absolute Chaos. It's also in the Asoka show. She would 74 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: watch Zimparatish ships come in and dream of becoming a pilot, 75 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: and her uncle gave her some flying lessons. Her family's 76 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: involvement in the Wars eventually led to her mother's death 77 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: and it streng her relationship, though his viewpoints definitely influenced 78 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: her and she did become a great pilot. She was 79 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: inspired to join the rebellion, which led to her working 80 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: with Bail Organa, who was a big leader of the rebellion, 81 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: and through this she developed a relationship with Asoka, whose 82 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: code name was Fulcrum. It's kind of like a spy 83 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: code name. During rebellion and their friendship really blossomed. This 84 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: also led to her becoming the pilot of a ship 85 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: she called the Ghost because the Imperials couldn't keep up, 86 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: so that's where a lot of the action of the 87 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: rebels takes place the show, and this meant that the 88 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: rebels who did join her ship were called Specters. Eventually, 89 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: she met a Jedi who survived Order sixty six, Caleb Doom, 90 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: now going by Canaan Jarris, and he opened up to her. 91 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: They close. He became her second in command. She was 92 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: the leader and caregiver of this whole crew. It was 93 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: definitely her ship, and like her, she was driving the 94 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: whole thing. She was the leader of many key missions 95 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: during the time of the rebellion and the Empire. She 96 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: helped him on Matha go into hiding. After she denounced 97 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: the Empire, she reconciled with her dad. She founded a 98 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: secret rebel base called Chopper Base, and oh Canaan and 99 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: Harrah's relationship was complicated. They tried to keep it under wraps. 100 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: He was informed by Trauma, but Harah openly called him 101 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: love And there are some legit complaints that she is 102 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: overshadowed by Canaan Ezra, like it was more their story, 103 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: even though it was like her ship and the whole thing. 104 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: And yes, Canaan died, yeah, and it was very sad 105 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: and after his death, she really was the one holding 106 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: this group together. She roast to the rank of general. 107 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: She worked with Han Solo and Lando Calaisian, who, by 108 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: the way, the running joke is she's way better pilot 109 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: than Hansolo. I don't think it's a joke, but they're 110 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: always kind of bringing that up in their teasing. Perhaps 111 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: she was there during Return of the Jedi, like one 112 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: of the final episodes. I think the final episode of 113 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: Rebels is sort of alongside Return of the Jedi. She 114 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: trained pilots. After the fall of the Empire, she joined 115 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the New Republic and trained squadrons. She was a great leader. 116 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Her call sign was Phoenix. She also had a son 117 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: with Canaan named Jason, who is for sensitive and born 118 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: to fly just like his mother, so he has both hours. 119 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: Here's the thing I can't tell this is one of 120 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: the complicated issues when they're like taking things from before 121 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Disney and bringing it into Disney. Cannon Jason is the 122 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: guy I talked about Narmar and Jade episode. He's he 123 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: was the son of Han and Leia who killed everything. 124 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's like a nod to 125 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: Heyl for people who have read it, here you go, 126 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: or if it's some kind of foremoning thing I'm supposed 127 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: to deal with. 128 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: I just find it odd that they named him Jason, 129 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: like one of the most common names outside of which 130 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: you have like all these other names, like such implications. 131 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: You're like Jason, I will say it's spelled j A 132 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: C E N. But yes, okay, okay, okay, still said Jason. 133 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's okay. 134 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: That's but I'm just like, yeah, no, I kiss you, 135 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: I get you, Okay, I'll allow it, and yeah. 136 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: As we come upon this show and who knows what's 137 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: gonna happen with Harris. I wanted to include this quote 138 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: from Winstead. Having a character who's already existed and has 139 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: such a rich history on something like Rebels. As an actor, 140 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: it's incredible because sometimes we're tasked with creating our own 141 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: backstories or trying to flesh out a character that doesn't 142 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: really have that much on the page, and so to 143 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: play a character that has season after season of storylines 144 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: and complex histories with everyone in their life and relationships 145 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: and experiences was really something I've never experienced quite like that. Yeah, 146 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: just funny. For a second, it kind of sounded like 147 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: what I say, what I'm talking about fan fiction? But yeah, yep, 148 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I always saying fiction. I know, I can't help it. 149 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: I did want to know, I think I said at 150 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: the top, but if I didn't, they are not currently sponsored. Goes. 151 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm just excited. But also Samantha got to see me 152 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: deliberate pretty well, semi intensely about whether to include this 153 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: whole thing I found, not that I found, I've known this, 154 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: but the Rye Loss, the planet the Twilight are from, 155 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: was really destroyed and decimated by the Empire, and a 156 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: lot of their people were enslaved. And then I was 157 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: going to go in this whole thing about See, it's 158 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: stressing me out just thinking about it, the history of that, 159 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: and when you look at the Wookies and why there 160 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: are you know a lot more humans in Star Wars 161 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: than you know in theory, there'd be a lot more aliens, 162 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: and I think part of that is we are people 163 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's easier. But how they explain it in the 164 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: Star Wars universe can get really eppy too. So just 165 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: a note, just a note. I'm sure we'll come back 166 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: and talk. I could talk about it. I just thought 167 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: that that would really ballue out of control in this 168 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: particular episode. But yes, so we'll see. I bet I'm 169 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: going to have some updates on this one because I 170 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: don't know what to include and what not to include 171 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: before this happens. I feel kind of tense you've been 172 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: talking about it because I don't know. But we'll find 173 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: out together in the meantime. If you would like to 174 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: contact as you can. Our email is stephaniea Momsteff at 175 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia dot com. 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