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Speaker 1: about the vagrant crisis. This time we're going to go

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Speaker 1: to Sacramento. The District Attorney for Sacramento County, his name

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Speaker 1: is Tin Hole. He has filed a lawsuit and he

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Speaker 1: threatened that this was coming against the City of Sacramento

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Speaker 1: for its quote descent into decay in how it is

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Speaker 1: handling or completely not handling the growing homeless crisis. And

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Speaker 1: in the lawsuit they made it clear there's been an

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Speaker 1: explosive growth in homelessness in the last seven years in

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Speaker 1: that city, and there's now more homeless people in Sacramento

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Speaker 1: than there are in San Francisco, which certainly gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of attention when it comes to homelessness. So we

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Speaker 1: have a chance now to talk to the DA and

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Speaker 1: let's get them on the show and get more detail

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Speaker 1: on this. Ken Ho, welcome to the John and Ken Show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on your show.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, Yeah, I think most people when they think of

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Speaker 2: for felonies. So explain how you have the power to

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Speaker 2: file a lawsuit against the city for not taking care

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, the primary mandate of the DA

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Speaker 3: is public safety, and so here's how it works. The

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Speaker 3: public news this law. If can you own private property,

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Speaker 3: you allow drug dealing, you allow human trafficking, dumping of needles,

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Speaker 3: the city will come to you and say, you know what,

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Speaker 3: you need to clean this up. If you don't, they

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Speaker 3: up because you're not following the law. So in the

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Speaker 3: same way on city property, which is the sidewalks, the fields,

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Speaker 3: the parks, the City of Sacramento has allowed our unhoused

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Speaker 3: population to explode by two hundred and fifty percent. And

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Speaker 3: what they've also done is they have refused the City

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Speaker 3: of Sacramento to enforce any of the homeless city ordinances,

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Speaker 3: the unlawful camping, the unlawful stories, the unlawful fire. So

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Speaker 3: I'm taking them to court. I'm suing them under the

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Speaker 3: law that they sue other people and forced them to

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Speaker 2: When have you talked with them previously and told them

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? So, you know, I first sent the letter and

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Speaker 3: the prodiding judge of the court said, you know, because

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Speaker 3: fix this in two weeks. That was three months ago,

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Speaker 3: then we sent out a survey to the community asking

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Speaker 3: how the unhoused has affected their quality of life. And

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Speaker 3: I mean little kids can't ride their back to school,

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Speaker 3: so then I sent a demand letter to the city

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Speaker 3: asking them to implement seven eight different items, and I

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Speaker 1: So they don't have a defense. So far they haven't offered. Well,

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Speaker 3: Well, they say, oh, they've been able to obtain what

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Speaker 3: So I think that they're going to get crushed a

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Speaker 2: To trial, and if it goes to trial and they

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Speaker 1: What would happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, we are not asking for money. We are asking

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Speaker 3: steps in. The court takes supervision of this, and the

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Speaker 3: court can require the city to do certain things and

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Speaker 3: one of them is this. At city Hall they only

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Speaker 3: allow camping at night, but not during the day. They

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Speaker 3: have our unhous store the property in a safe location,

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Speaker 3: go get treatment and services at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: This isn't about criminalizing home business. It's about getting those

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I mean, you talk about voluntary compliance,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. It starts with enforcement and compliance, and then what

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Speaker 1: You have cited the Sheriff of Sacramento County is apparently

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Speaker 1: having a better approach than the city. Is that true?

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Speaker 3: Yes, So, Sheriff Jim Cooper, he's been out there and

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Speaker 3: They've contacted several thousand of our un housed and offered services.

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Speaker 3: And of all the people they've offered in terms of

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Speaker 3: less than a dozen have accepted it. And so what

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Speaker 3: we need to do is be able to cite and use,

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Speaker 3: if you get arrested for multiple non valuent offensives, we

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Speaker 1: How do you think this happened in these seven years

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Speaker 3: Huh, he's been here seven years. And really this is

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Speaker 3: a local failure. You know, the governor has given a

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Speaker 3: Where do those hundreds of millions of dollars go? And

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Speaker 3: I want a true accounting of what program actually works

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Speaker 3: and what program doesn't work. And they've had an audit

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Speaker 3: And so this is about accountability, full levels and holding

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Speaker 2: Where do you think the money is gone? What's your

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Speaker 2: gut feeling. I mean, that's a tremendous amount of money

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal. As part of a civil case,

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Speaker 3: to take depositions, and so I have a lot of questions,

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Speaker 3: and the community they have a lot of questions as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that people are behind your effort here

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Speaker 1: because you know the response normally because this is just politics.

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Speaker 1: So though he's just doing this because he doesn't like

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Speaker 1: the way we run the city.

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Speaker 3: This isn't about politics. It's about public safety. It's not

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Speaker 3: about personality. It's not personal it's about public safety. It's

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Speaker 3: not about partisanship. It's about public safety. And I tell you,

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Speaker 3: every other day I get stopped by people on the

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Speaker 3: are you The DA said, yes, thank you for doing

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Speaker 3: what you're doing. The vast majority of the community is

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Speaker 3: with us. We are stuck between chaos and compassion. We

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Speaker 1: So where does this go to a Sacramento County court?

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Speaker 1: Is that where it goes first?

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Speaker 3: Yes, So we filed the lawsuit on Tuesday, So it

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Speaker 3: answers to. And that's really the next process here, making

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Speaker 1: On them, and a judge will decide this or a jury.

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Speaker 3: A jury will decide it. We'll go to a jury,

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Speaker 2: And your job is to prove first of all that

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Speaker 3: Well, I have an email from the city attorney in

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Speaker 3: of any of these homeless ordinances, not a single one.

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Speaker 1: That seems like pretty good evidence. You know, when this

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Speaker 1: we thought that maybe you were going to pursue criminal

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, there are strategic and evidentiary reasons

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Speaker 3: we have decided to sue the city civilly, which I'm

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Speaker 3: entitled to do under the law. It's the civil Code.

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Speaker 3: The district attorney has authority to prostitute civilly or criminally.

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Speaker 3: I've chosen in this case for certain reasons, to go

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a pleasure talking to you, and we'll be

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Speaker 1: watching the story. Hopefully we'll have you back on. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thing makes it way through the courts. Okay, you appreciate

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. One more quick question.

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Speaker 2: Any district attorney can do this against any city in

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Speaker 3: First of all, I'm the first district attorney in the

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Speaker 3: entire country to do the Second, this is a California law,

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Speaker 3: so any district attorney in the state of California can

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, we'll talk with you again. Good luck.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're wildly successful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's the Sacramento County District Attorney. Tin Hoe

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Speaker 1: Who knew that? Who knew that you could shoot and

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Speaker 1: Years twenty four years old. This is not a fourteen

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Speaker 1: Remember things pass? I don't remember the amendment to make

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Speaker 1: So we won't have even served thirty years. He did

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Speaker 1: You've probably been hearing the news that the writer's strike

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Speaker 1: in big wigs. I've been attending the talk. Some of

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Speaker 1: the latest meeting, which leads them to believe, don't call

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Speaker 1: me in until you're gonna close the dale. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of how the top executives were. They talk. I don't

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Speaker 1: fat big wig, right, it's sweating. Well, it says here

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Speaker 1: they're meeting today and tomorrow. There was some that say,

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Speaker 2: Well, because all the executives came in and and gave

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Speaker 1: That's what it said. Yes, they gave them a lecture.

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Speaker 1: or something like that. That's good negotiating tactic. Go and

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Speaker 1: break your employees on strike. Sure they're gonna sign. Oh,

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Speaker 2: They'll sit there and agree. It's like, you know, you're right,

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Speaker 2: If I tell you, the ego of executives is just astonishing.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely astonishing.

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Speaker 2: You've got people who are willing to risk starvation and

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Speaker 1: Looks like both sides are motivated to do a deal

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Speaker 2: I may have mentioned this, but this story has stuck

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Speaker 2: for you know, the millions of people who've seen it

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Speaker 1: In fact, it starts with the pay bump. That's what

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Speaker 1: I forgot Larry David. Yeah, they created.

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Speaker 2: They became billionaires from that from the syndication sale because

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Speaker 2: they were the creators.

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Speaker 1: You what's the story stick in my head from last week?

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Speaker 1: Apparently as a book coming out and Larry David went

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Speaker 1: to a wedding a couple of years ago in France

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Speaker 1: for some big movie or radio or rather TV executive.

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Speaker 1: I guess it was at his table at the wedding

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk and apparently started brating Elon Musk for killing

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Speaker 1: people because he votes Republican. It was right after the

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Speaker 1: Texas Rember Velveld, Texas shooting, and I guess there were

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Speaker 1: witnesses to this, and he just started screaming at Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk for you have only Republican. You're killing kids. You

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Speaker 1: know you're killing kids. It almost sounded like the Pop episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, But apparently that's how he can be in

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Speaker 1: real life.

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Speaker 2: Zary tries out material you see, if it makes everybody

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable enough, and they turn it into an episode Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love this line too, because we were just talking

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Speaker 1: about the last time they negotiated back in August, the

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Speaker 1: Writers Guild and the studio people. The negotiating committee for

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Speaker 1: the writers people phrased it this way, and this would

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Speaker 1: be writers with it. Their counter offer is neither nothing

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Speaker 1: nor nearly enough. You have to take a moment to

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Speaker 1: decipher that. All right, they didn't offer us nothing, but

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Speaker 1: they're not even close to what we need to get right,

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Speaker 1: So some sort of in between there is all they

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Speaker 1: could tell the people. But the word coming out this

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Speaker 1: week especially, I think the tell is the top executives

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Speaker 1: have shown up to be a part of this. It

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Speaker 1: just shows you that either were near the end or

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Speaker 1: they believe it's important that we get near the end.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be one of the other, or else

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't waste their time coming to these negotiating sessions.

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Speaker 1: The top executive heay the money for the streaming. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you wonder what Bob Iigrew does day by day, but

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Speaker 1: you know, walking into a meeting of a negotiating meeting

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Speaker 1: between the Writers Guild and the studios, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we would be exciting for him. But you've got to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of arrogance and ego.

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Speaker 2: Though to electure the people who make billions of dollars

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Speaker 2: for your company, that's that's that's ob noxious.

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Speaker 1: We got the worse side of executives.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we we have execution news.

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Speaker 1: Well we do. I mean there was an execution Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the big story. Although the thing about

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Speaker 1: that I found weird because some websites like to point

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Speaker 1: out what the last meal was, and it was meeting

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Speaker 1: potatoes but throwning there was okra and I stared at

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Speaker 1: the screen. I said, this guy wanted okra. That's part

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Speaker 1: of it. Uh, okra, it's a vegetable. Well, what does

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Speaker 1: it look like? I think it's white. Is it bitter

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Speaker 1: like you know? Yeah, it sounds like a bitter kind

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Speaker 1: of green or you know, I think I remember okra?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, sorry, isn't it is?

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Speaker 1: No, it's gre it's green. Okay, I think it's like

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Speaker 1: kale is it almost.

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Speaker 5: Looks I'm looking at it right now, it almost My

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Speaker 5: first thought was.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a green bee.

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Speaker 2: You know, remember at the beginning of the panic over

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Speaker 2: the shutdown, and everybody cleared out the shelves at the supermarkets. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the only thing left was okra, And that's right. I

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Speaker 2: didn't remember what it looked like, but I do remember

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Speaker 2: that it was sitting there by itself in a basket,

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Speaker 2: a basket of okra, and everything else was gone, and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, boy, that must taste really bad.

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Speaker 1: The big execution story is in Alabama, and here's why.

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Speaker 1: And we're reading from the New York Times. Bernard E.

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Speaker 1: Harcourt a professor of law and political theory at Columbia fun.

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Speaker 1: He began his lead clear represent think people in Alabama's

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Speaker 1: death row and continues to represent people's sentenced to death.

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Speaker 1: So clearly, the story we're looking at is very sympathetic

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Speaker 1: towards the condemned. And what we're talking about in Alabama

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Speaker 1: is something that's never been done before. They want to

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Speaker 1: kill their inmates using a brand new method called nitrogen hypoxia. Basic. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that terrible, but they've been

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Speaker 1: trying to come up with a new method because the

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Speaker 1: last time they tried to kill a guy that's been

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Speaker 1: a pain in the neck murderer, it didn't go well

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Speaker 1: with the stupid three drug, two drug whatever protocol. So basically,

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Speaker 1: what they do with nitrogen hypoxia they kill you because

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Speaker 1: you're going to breathe in high concentrations of nitrogen. It

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Speaker 1: starves you of oxygen until you die. It's really kind

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Speaker 1: of simple. They've already distributed the new execution protocol to

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Speaker 1: all the prison guards getting ready to do this. Is

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty men and women sixty five one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty men and five women waiting execution in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: When this happens, we're not sure, although we do know

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Speaker 1: the next innate that's supposed to be in line for this. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what they do is they put a mask around you

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Speaker 1: and it pumps nitrogen into your body.

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Speaker 2: That's easy, right, So you're breathing, you'll be secured to

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Speaker 2: you'll be secured to a gurny.

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Speaker 1: Your nose and mouth would be covered by a mask,

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Speaker 1: and nitrogen will be pumped into your lungs until you suffocate.

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Speaker 1: Seventy eight percent of our atmosphere is nitrogen. It is

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Speaker 1: nitrogen rich.

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Speaker 2: Oxygen's only twenty one percent, and there's trace elements of

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Speaker 2: a few other things.

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Speaker 1: So do you feel, I mean, are you well, that's

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Speaker 1: the question suffocate. You know, you would think suffocation can

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Speaker 1: be of the word is painful, but it can be

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Speaker 1: and mentally anguished. Right, No, you just go unconscious.

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Speaker 2: It's just nitrogen gas renders the subject unconscious. Death ensues

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Speaker 2: within a few minutes. But what this Bernard Harcourt's worry

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Speaker 2: about worried about is if the mask does not fit

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Speaker 2: properly and a little oxygen seeps in, then the person

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Speaker 2: will be left gasping. See, because I have a little

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Speaker 2: bit of oxygen that will try to be sucking in,

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Speaker 2: he will be it won't be completely unconscious, and then

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Speaker 2: he's gonna suffocate rather than just go unconscious and become

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Speaker 2: brain dead.

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Speaker 1: The man that may be the first to go is

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Eugene Smith. He's the one I mentioned that was well.

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Speaker 1: He was in the botched execution last November. They spent

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Speaker 1: hours on the gurney as they tried to find locations

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Speaker 1: to insert the intravenous lines without success, and then they

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Speaker 1: call behole thing off. So he writes, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: imagine a more ghastly ordeal than the march back a

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Speaker 1: second time to face the executioner and a new method

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Speaker 1: of execution that has possibly of it could be of

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Speaker 1: unknown agony. He's just a bedwetter, this guy.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've asked this question before. Why don't we

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Speaker 5: just give people an overdose of propofol. I don't understand

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Speaker 5: what's wrong with that, or kill.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson exactly, or shoot them in the head.

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Speaker 5: Well, but I'm saying that, if we're trying to be humane,

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Speaker 5: why not do propofol? I mean, when you have Kolonoscopy's right, Ken,

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Speaker 5: we know you don't even see, you don't know, you

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Speaker 5: don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I like how you bond with Ken because you both

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Speaker 2: had colonosk Well, because you haven't we know we in

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Speaker 2: the colonoscary we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean that's the thing Deborah behind pent

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Speaker 1: to barbital, which they use in Texas, which seems to

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Speaker 1: have the same effect. You basically just go on into

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Speaker 1: unconsciousness eventually you die. I don't know why they don't

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Speaker 1: all use They're claiming they're having trouble getting these drugs,

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Speaker 1: so all right, but just getting nitrogen wouldn't be as

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Speaker 1: big a problem.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's really it's really easy to kill people,

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Speaker 2: you know, they used to use this nitrogen method ven

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Speaker 2: arians did to snuff out your pets.

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Speaker 1: You mean the terminally ill pets and stuff or just

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Speaker 1: pets there's too many of.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, no, hopefully when they're terminally ill and you

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Speaker 5: want to put them down mainly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these nitrogen gas. In fact I hand John's right,

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Speaker 1: he writes, So the mask not fit properly, an oxygen

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Speaker 1: seep in the person maybe left gasping. It could result

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Speaker 1: in severe brain damage rather than death.

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Speaker 2: They're always worried about murderers gasping during right, during the

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Speaker 2: killing processes.

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Speaker 1: What do you care?

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Speaker 2: You care these gasping Would you like a recording of

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Speaker 2: the uh.

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Speaker 1: Of the art that killed? Yeah, he killed a woman

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Speaker 1: by the name of Elizabeth Doorlean Sennett in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: He was hired to kill her, but she was gas husband. Huh.

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Speaker 2: But the victims are gasping as they're bleeding out from

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Speaker 2: whatever atrocity there was committed.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be watching this if they do carry out

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Speaker 1: the first execution. Now they've handed out the protocols, tells

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Speaker 1: me there's serious about this, and we don't know whether

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Speaker 1: it's going to occur this year. But this man would

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Speaker 1: be the first to go. So you know.

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Speaker 2: Now, the Venery Association says nitrogen gas is unacceptable for

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Speaker 2: animals other than chickens and turkeys.

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Speaker 1: No, not a fan of ticket and turkeys. So you

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Speaker 1: can give a nitrogen gas. No dogs or cats, but

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Speaker 1: tickens and turkeys.

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Speaker 2: Give the nitrogen exit bag to a turkey because they

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Speaker 2: don't really are feeling.

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Speaker 1: Why is it funny? Why is it killing turkeys? It's funny.

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Speaker 1: It's not killing turkeys. It's funny. The exception being chickens

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Speaker 1: and turkeys is. But I don't understand that. All right,

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Speaker 1: we got more coming up. Johnny Kid, KFI as forty

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Speaker 1: live everywhere. iHeartRadio app Deborah Mark, Are you ready to go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I am. I know.

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Speaker 5: What I was trying to do is put on a

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Speaker 5: news station that starts having news at three o'clock, so

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Speaker 5: I have a TV with news.

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Speaker 1: Somebody to steal from you.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you no, it's very hard.

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Speaker 1: Seven a half. Oh never mind. Hey, you've been listening

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Speaker 1: to the John and Ken Show. You can always hear

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