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Speaker 1: Inscrible advice. Hello, Hello, Hello, We're welcome to the Naughty

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Speaker 1: VA Night Show. I'm your host Rob Show. So normally

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Speaker 1: we don't do these special edition bonus shows because there's

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Speaker 1: not normally that many special people that I think we

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Speaker 1: want to do one with. But today's the exception. We

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Speaker 1: have a fantastic vocal coach, Stuart Piers, who has been

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Speaker 1: a vocal coach to many, many big celebrities. However, it

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Speaker 1: is his new book, Diana the Voice of Change, which

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Speaker 1: I can't put down, that we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about today, not only Princess Diana's vocal coach, but also

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Speaker 1: her friend. Hey Steward, welcome to the show. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: so wonderful to be here. Thank you. It's great one

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Speaker 1: of you inviting me online. So please, we are thrilled

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Speaker 1: have you. Let's jumping because we've got so many questions.

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Speaker 1: I've also got some questions from the listeners of the

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Speaker 1: show to nothing to worry about. We're nausy, but we're

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Speaker 1: Hay Steward, how did you meet Princess Diana. Let's go

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Speaker 1: right back to the beginning. How did this start? Well,

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Speaker 1: I was actually recommended to meet her, probably around when

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Speaker 1: she was caught by the controversy of trying to find

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Speaker 1: a way of leveraging herself away from the acrimonious relationship

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Speaker 1: that she was beginning to develop with Prince Charles Um

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Speaker 1: and you know, to be honest or there was a

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Speaker 1: great honor to be asked. I turned it down, saying

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that I could be available for it

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Speaker 1: because of the drama that was going on, but that

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Speaker 1: was a very prophetic that I did that, because then

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Speaker 1: in when the Martin Baser interview came out that Diana

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Speaker 1: came back via a friend of ours, a mutual friend,

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Speaker 1: a patroness of mine in fact, who was a very

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Speaker 1: celebrated restaurateur at a restaurant which is no longer called

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Speaker 1: San Lorenzo in Knight Spirit, and Diana was a frequent visitor.

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Speaker 1: But the lady who owned it, Mara Bernie was was

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary mother figure too many people, and so for example,

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Speaker 1: illustration of the extraordinary love that this woman had. And

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Speaker 1: so Mara had introduced me to a number of leading

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Speaker 1: people and said to me, would you would you please

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Speaker 1: who is it? So she said, well, just come and

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Speaker 1: then you'll interested. And I said, no, tell me who

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Speaker 1: is it? She said, do trust me? So I said,

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Speaker 1: And as I walked into the restaurant, there was the

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Speaker 1: who with? And he said you'll see when you get there.

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Speaker 1: So it was this great build up that when I

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Speaker 1: moment and of course, of course, of course, things were

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Speaker 1: encounter that I was describing. But I said to Diana immediately, look,

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Speaker 1: if we worked together, we must have a completely confidential relationship,

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Speaker 1: You know, she'd already finished working with Peter Zettelyn, who

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Speaker 1: of course, who then latterly went and allowed all of

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Speaker 1: So that's how it began. We had a confidential relationship.

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Speaker 1: Whenever she needed me, she called me on her cell phone,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I do either. Why would somebody like

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Speaker 1: that I shared with her and worked with her aunt.

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Speaker 1: you to develop trust a relationship with Princess Diana? Oh no,

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Speaker 1: that was immediate. She was such a darling. It was immediate.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that was? Because she had been

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Speaker 1: Diana was just so yielding and surrendering. This was part

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Speaker 1: a story that made me giggle about going to the

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Speaker 1: movies with Princess Diana. Please share it. Well, Diana loved

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Speaker 1: frequent Jim's and me and other people that she visited.

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Speaker 1: Do you think she would have made an excellent Uber driver.

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Speaker 1: She would have been a stunning Uber drive. She was

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Speaker 1: an amazing driver, I mean really really competent. It was

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Speaker 1: almost as though, you know, her wheels were her second,

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Speaker 1: her second kingdom. Did she have a celebrity crush? Did

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Speaker 1: she talk about guys? Did Diana have a celebrity crash? Well,

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Speaker 1: that George Clooney. That just made her swoon like everybody else, well,

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Speaker 1: Stuart Pierce. The book is called Diana the Voice of Change.

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