1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Do you remember your first ever music festival? 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: I do, because I think it was the only one 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: that I ever went to. It was it was Gloria 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: Trevi's La Rossa Blue and it was at Western Playland 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: where Celina and I random with them because I was 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: obsessed with Gloriat Revi for like a brief. Well I 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: still I'm obsessed with her. But what was I know 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: that you love music festivals, and also what was your 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: first one? 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, I don't love music festivals. Like, 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: who what are you talking? 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: Oh? 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you're right, you're you're a concert girl. 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm a concert girl. I love music. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: I am not like a big music festival person only 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 3: because listen, I'm gonna just tell it like it is. 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm a little bougie, Okay. I don't like Kraus. 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't like to be hot and uncomfortable, and oftentimes 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: at music festivals you're like side all day, You're like 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: super sweaty. 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: There's a corda potties. 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: Okay, like you you catch what I'm saying here, right, Okay, 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: So I haven't been to like a ton of music festivals. 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't even remember. 25 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: It was probably something like super local and very lame 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: in like Dallas. 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: When I was in high school. I'm trying to remember. 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: I think there was one that had like a lot 29 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: of like local bands, kind of like almost kind of 30 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 3: like a battle of the bands. 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: That was probably my very first music festival. 32 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: I didn't go to like what kids go to now, 33 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: which is the equivalent like Coachella or Bonnerou, Like, I 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: didn't grow up going to music festivals like that. 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 4: What would you say as a first music festival? 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: Do you think it was here in the history of festivals? Yeah, 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean it has to do Woodstock. 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: No, I don't know, no for sure, because Woodstock is 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: like what you think of when you hear the word 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: music festival, and Woodstock in nineteen sixty nine would define 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: the popular image of an American music festival for decades. 42 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: The endless crowds, the peace and love hippie vibes, legendary 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: performances of course, and lots and lots of drugs. 44 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: But that's not to say Woodstock was a first music festival, since, 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: at least earlier in the sixties, jazz and blues festivals 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: had gone up in Europe and Stateside. Woodstock was preceded 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: by rock festivals like Fantasy Fair and Magic Mountain Music 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: Festival in northern California. 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: There was also the Monterey International Pop Festival just outside 50 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: San Francisco, where Jimmy Hendrix and Janis Joplin's Unforgettable sets 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: launched their careers on a wave of hype. 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: Those earlier festivals drew crowds in the tens of thousands. Woodstock, 53 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: on the other hand, took the festival organizers completely by 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: surprise and drew about half a million festival lowers. 55 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: To give you guys some perspective in present day terms, 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: Coachella's capacity is about half of that. 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: Imagine Carlos Santana staring out over a crowd of five 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: hundred thousand people. He just turned twenty two a little 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: under a month ago, and the band around him has 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: only been playing together for a couple. 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: Of months, and Carlos himself, as an instrumentalist, had seen 62 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: little more than the CD bars at Tijuana, the bohemian 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: streets of Payde Ashbury, and the moodlit stage at the 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: Fillmore this was beyond his imagination. 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 4: In more ways than one. 66 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: When Carlos stepped on stage, he was fully tripping on 67 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: psychedelics he had taken earlier that day courtesy of The 68 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: Grateful Dead as Jerry Garcia, under the impression that their set. 69 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: Would be later. 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean has that. 71 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: I've been there, done that, but I diago. 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: Rest Carlos would describe watching the neck of his guitar 73 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: turn into an electric snake. Still he went on stage. 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: What stands out to you the most, besides the trippy 75 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: electric snake being on the neck of his guitar, what 76 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: stands out to you most from Carlos's Woodstock performance? 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: Okay, well two things. One, that crowd is is massive. 78 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: It's like it's there's so many people. They they look 79 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: like nothing. I've never seen that, Like, there's so many people. 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: It looks just kind of like. 81 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 4: It's distorted there. They look naked. 82 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: But number two, back to the snake on the guitar, 83 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: is his eyes are kind of closed the whole time. 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: He's probably like nervous to look like as he's playing, 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: he's like, eyes are really like tight. 86 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: He's not here, Joseph, Yes, he's in another way. 87 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: He's in like in a place of his zuch. 88 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you notice? 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: I just think the sheer level of raw talent that's 90 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: coming out of him and spilling out of him like 91 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: it's unstoppable. It's like, you know, there's people that are 92 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: meant to do something right, Like certain people are meant to, like, 93 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: you know, like be an amazing chef, Like certain people 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: are meant to, like, you know, be a designer. This 95 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: man was put on this earth to play the guitar. 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 4: Like how crazy. 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: It's just because if you just know it, like that 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 3: is your purpose, and that is someone's You're seeing someone's 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: purpose in front of you. It's really amazing. It's it's incredible. 100 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: He's literally a child, like he's like twenty years old. 101 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 4: He literally just looks so little on that stage. 102 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: And I also, I can't. 103 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 4: Even imagine what he was fucking thinking. 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: Being in that crowd is my worst nightmare come to life. 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and I imagine thinking that your guitar is 106 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: a snake. 107 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure people were thinking all kinds of things. 108 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: That was not a sober festival. Let's just let's just 109 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: say what is I imagine that for people that attended 110 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: Woodstock And I've interviewed people about this before, it's like 111 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: a life defining moment, right, Like it changed the trajectory 112 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: of like who they are as human beings, like everything. 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: It's like it's a life changing thing that only happens 114 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 3: to you, like you know every so often. I just 115 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: you know myself, I would have been so anxious, but like, 116 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: get me home. It also took people like weeks to 117 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 3: get home. It was like a disaster. There was like 118 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: no plumbing, not enough toilet. Like right, I'm just gonna 119 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: stop hating on Woodstock. It is not for me. But 120 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: that does not mean that it was not incredibly epic. 121 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: Let's just leave it at that. 122 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: So we're not going to go back in time and 123 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: do our research. 124 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 4: There is what you're saying. 125 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 3: We were not Unless there's a VIP box, I'm not 126 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: going to Woodstock. Santana didn't get what you'd call top 127 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: billing at Woodstock. The biggest draws at the festival were, 128 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: of course, artists like Hendrix and Joplin, but for the 129 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: crowd that got to hear the band, Santana was a revelation, 130 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: and in a stroke. 131 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: Of legendary timing, Santana's debut album would drop. 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: The friday after the festival concluded. 133 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: Santana, the band's self titled debut spent two years on 134 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: the Billboard two hundred Pop chart, peaking at number four 135 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: three months after its release. 136 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: By the time the band closed out nineteen sixty nine 137 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: by playing The Ed Sullivan Show, Santana had become a 138 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: household name. 139 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: This is the very definition of overnight success. Fortune had 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: completely changed Carlos's world on the world of his bandmates, but. 141 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: This title way those success would just as quickly be 142 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: followed by rough waters and sinking tides. 143 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Lilianavosquez and I'm Joseph Carrio and this 144 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: is Becoming an icon a weekly podcast where we give 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: you the rundown on how today's most famous latinv stars 146 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: have shaped pop culture. 147 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 4: And given the world some extra level. 148 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable. 149 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how, 150 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: with buenas bras, unasriesas, some cheesemay, and a lot of 151 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on our journey 152 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: to find out what makes them so iconic. 153 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: Let's rewind a bit after Carlos Santana's fateful Sunday matinee 154 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: filling in for Paul Butterfield at the Fillmore the Santana 155 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: blues band became a hype worthy act. 156 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: A couple years before their historic set at Woodstock, the 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: band got the opportunity to open for the British rock 158 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: act The Who. 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: But most of the band showed up late. 160 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: Bill Graham, founder of the Filmore and eventual manager for Santana, 161 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: shouted at Carlos, who had arrived earlier than the others. 162 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: Santana would say, these other cats were just blowing it, 163 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 3: putting Colonna on themselves and all this shit. 164 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: Just weeks earlier, Carlos had been hospitalized for tuberculosis. He 165 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: spent in his hospital stay having a series of bad 166 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: trips thanks to his psychedelics, his friends and mates would 167 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: sneak in for him. 168 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: In other words, he was dying to get back on 169 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: stage and this is the situation that greeted him when 170 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: he did. 171 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: Probably thanks to nerves, Carlos kept breaking his guitar strings 172 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: on stage. The set would saved when The Who's drummer, 173 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: Keith Moon, who had shown up earlier, passed him a guitar. 174 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: Midway through Santana's set. 175 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: It was Pete Townsend's guitar. 176 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: The lead guitars of The Who, Carlos made damn sure 177 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: not to break any strings this time. 178 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Afterwards, Santana's drummer, percussionists, and bassists were swiftly fired from 179 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: the band. Carlos and keyboardist vocalist Greg Raley remained, while 180 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Carlos brought in replacements for the rhythm section. 181 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: This opening gig was two years before Woodstock, but it 182 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: would foreshadow just as much about the band's trajectory as 183 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: that fateful festival set. 184 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: We mentioned that the band that played Woodstock had only 185 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: been playing together for a few months. That's because during 186 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: the recording sessions for Santana's self titled debut album, there 187 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: was another line up. 188 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 3: Chain Damn, he changed his mind more than I do 189 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: when I'm getting dressed. Okay, Carlos and Greg Rowley were 190 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: disappointed with the recordings that came out of the initial sessions, 191 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: leading them to once again shuffle the rhythm section. 192 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: Thus the classic Santana lineup was formed. 193 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so here's the band. 194 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 3: Carlos on guitar, Greg Rowley on keys and vocals, David 195 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 3: Brown on bass, Michael Strevan drums, and Michael Carabello and 196 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: Jose Cipito Adias on percussion. 197 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: Side note, we know, it's a lot of names. 198 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: Oh my god, so many names. 199 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 3: Remember we're in the almost famous part of the story, 200 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: so there's as many names as there are substances, big 201 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: egos and dramatic gigs. 202 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 4: Flash cards are encouraged, but we digress. 203 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: All in all, the self titled record was the culmination 204 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: of a total of three attempts to record a debut. 205 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: Bill Graham, the scene promoter who had screamed at Carlos 206 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: for his absentee bandmates during the gig opening for the 207 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: who came on as the band's manager for the debut. 208 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 4: Graham advised the band to record songs, not long instrumental gems, 209 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: resulting in hit singles. 210 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 3: Like evil Ways, You've got to change your evil Ways, 211 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: bab something like that. 212 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: Are you trying to tell me something. 213 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: Early on nothing I haven't already told you at Happy Hour? 214 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: Well you're going to get an earful at the next one. 215 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 4: Moving right along. 216 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: Santana, the record was a collection of punch your singles 217 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: and free flowing yet self contained instrumentals. 218 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: The band rocketed to success, but by the time the 219 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 3: band had recorded their follow up Abraxas, Carlos had come. 220 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: To find that success wasn't all it was cracked up 221 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: to be. 222 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: Abraxas gave us two more stone Cold Santana classics, black 223 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 4: Magic Woman and the Tite cover Oyava. Listening to those now, 224 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 4: you'd hardly know the band behind them was circling the drain. 225 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: Carlos would reflect on the time, say saying I would 226 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: turn on the radio and ABD Access would be on 227 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: every station just about and I found myself more and 228 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: more depressed, and I'd found myself crying. The band was deteriorating, 229 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: and my friends who I grew up with were total 230 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: strangers to me. 231 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: We started sounding like crap. 232 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 4: What is sitough? I hate when the friend group starts 233 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: to fizzle. 234 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: Well, the band did more than fizzle, as certain members 235 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: of the band got more and more into harder drugs 236 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: and Carlos continued to use psychedelics. There are Once legendary 237 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: live shows started to deteriorate. 238 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: Carlos would share that he would wake up screaming from 239 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: recurring nightmares about his manager shouting at him saying quote, 240 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: You're nothing, You're unprofessional, You're a piece of shit. He 241 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: would walk around in a cold sweat. 242 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: I gotta say it sounds like that opening gig for 243 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: the who definitely left a bigger impression on him than Wouldstock. 244 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: And yet the band is on record as saying Carlos's 245 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: head had gotten quote as big as Humpty Dumpty, and 246 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: Carlos agrees. So it's not like Carlos was the only 247 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: non diva in the room. It was to borrow the 248 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: hippie parlance a bad scene. 249 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: Man. 250 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: I've seen enough movies about rock bands in the nineteen 251 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: sixties and seventies to know that the toxic cocktail of drugs, 252 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: egos and record deals is like puts a nail in 253 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: your coffin, Like that is it that you're done? 254 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: Right, especially because there's just so many cooks in the 255 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: kitchen and everyone thinks that they're like important. You know. 256 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: Well, obviously personalities I think play a huge role in 257 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: that conflict. But I really think it was the rock 258 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: star lifestyle that dominated the music scene in the sixties 259 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: and seventies. I mean it's not like that today, like 260 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: it is. It's just first of all, it can't be. 261 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: Well, but there's also not really bands. 262 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: There are what are you talking good yet? What there 263 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: are bands? 264 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 4: Like? 265 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: Like? 266 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 4: Who named five bands right now? 267 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: The White Stripes okay, I mean that's a band. Okay, okay, okay, 268 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,359 Speaker 3: Mumford and Sons. 269 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: Name good band? 270 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: No, but you know what I mean, Like, I feel 271 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: like there's just not a lot of bands circulating like 272 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: there used to be, like everyone was in a band. 273 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: There wasn't really like a lot of of solos. So 274 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: like now I feel like there's. 275 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Mus is it muses a band? I don't know. 276 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: I mean, are these people even relevant? Still? Bands don't exist? 277 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: Who is a band now? 278 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: Form about the Strokes are a band? 279 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: Like? 280 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, okay, Green Day's a band? 281 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, I don't know. 282 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Are you modest mouse? I'm like trying to think of 283 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: like old bands. 284 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, but those are kind of old bands. 285 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: But I'm saying, you know, you're still talking about like 286 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: you know, Matchbox twenty, like you're still there. I'm talking 287 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: about now, who's a band now? What new band has performed? 288 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: They're all kind of individuals. Like a new band. 289 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Like Kirvana, not Pearl Jams. 290 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: No, no, no, a new band like this time imagine Dragons. 291 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: That's like a new band, isn't it. 292 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: Gosh? Yeah, that's still like true. 293 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: That's two thousands so I feel like Top forty used 294 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: to have a lot more bands back in the day, 295 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: and now it's. 296 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: Just even like solo case. 297 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: Now it's more single people. 298 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Like nobody's like, Oh I love like the 299 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: artists band's song. 300 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: That is exactly what I'm talking about. More like that 301 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: where you know, then the bands would break up. 302 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: The band, I really do. I love a band. I 303 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: love a duo. You know, I love Hollan Oakes. 304 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: Oh there is a lot of drugs and there's massive ego. 305 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: They just broke up. Saddest day of my life. I know, 306 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: I know, no what. 307 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: Wow, finally you're right, there's no more bands. 308 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: I told you ends up being right. You're always right. 309 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: And recorded one last album with the classic Santana lineup, 310 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: Santana three. The album saw seventeen year old guitarist Neil 311 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: Sewan joined the band and gave us the single No 312 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: One to Depend. 313 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: On, Oh Cut Steep. 314 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: Santana three reached number one on the Billboard two hundred, 315 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: a first for the band, but amid the band's peak 316 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: success came peak pressure, and by the time the tour 317 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: for Santana three was set to kick off, Carlos staged 318 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: an ultimatum. 319 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: He insisted that Carabello, the band's percussionist, leave the band 320 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: or else Carlos. 321 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: Would walk, and the band sided with Carabello. 322 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: Bay started the tour without Carlos. 323 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know what the beef was. You might 324 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,239 Speaker 2: have to hear about it from your local aging hippie. 325 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: But when the namesake member of your band threatens to walk, 326 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: how do you think the shows are going to go? 327 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, your band is literally named Santana. 328 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 4: It's you, it's your band. 329 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: Too many drugs, bro, too many drugs, and the show's 330 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: were terrible. Santana played several shows without Santana. La crowd 331 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: understandably was pissed and shouted for the band to bring 332 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: out Carlos. 333 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: When Carlos finally returned to the band, he found that 334 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: the two percussionists had quit, along with their manager at 335 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: the time, Stan Martin. 336 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: The rock band that put Afro Cuban rhythms on the 337 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: map for American rock fans, found itself without a percussion section. 338 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: But in a stroke of luck, not unlike Heath Moon, 339 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: handing Carlos a new guitar. A percussionist who had recently 340 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: seen the band live offered his services. The band would 341 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: play another. 342 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: Day until December nineteen seventy one, the group arrived in Lima, 343 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: Peru for a much anticipated gig at a university, only 344 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: to be detained by the police. 345 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: During Prue's military dictatorship of the seventies, rock music was 346 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: cast as an alienating and Yankee art form, leading the 347 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: police to crack down. 348 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 3: On the show, so the band's equipment was confiscated and 349 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: they were banned from the country. 350 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: Band in Peru would be a sick album title for 351 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: a different group, but. 352 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: For Carlos, the experience was a wake up call. He 353 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: began to take more and more ownership over the band 354 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: in its creative direction, beginning with nineteen seventy three's Caravan Sarai. 355 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: More on that in a bit, but for now, suffice 356 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 2: it to say it's a stranger, more experimental album than 357 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: the record Santanna had put out until then. 358 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: And Greg Rowley, the last remaining classic member of the 359 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: band other than Carlos, decided that this new direction wasn't 360 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: for him. 361 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: Along with recently added guitarist Neil Shown, he took his 362 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: leave and the two of them went on to form 363 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: a Journey Don't stop believe. 364 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: Like that's fucking crazy. 365 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: I think they left the band and then went on 366 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: to start journey. Like there's like certain cities that I 367 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 3: want to go back to at certain times. I want 368 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: to be in San Francisco during this era, like what 369 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: is this nineteen seventy three, Like I want to be there. 370 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I also want to be in New York City at 371 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Studio fifty four, and so take me, let's go together. 372 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: And Carlos didn't stop believing, but he and the rest 373 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: of the band didn't forget either. The bad blood from 374 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: the implosion of the classic Santana lineup would linger for years. 375 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 2: Obviously, no one likes getting fired, but this was deeper 376 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: than that. 377 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 4: For some of Carlos's bandmates. 378 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 2: This confirmed a sneaking suspicion they'd had all along that 379 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: Carlos thought the band was his and his alone. 380 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: I mean it's right there in the name Santana and. 381 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: Two self titled albums to boot. 382 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: All in all, the original lineup wouldn't reunite for another 383 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: recording until four decades later. 384 00:19:54,160 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: For the moment Carlos was alone before the break, we 385 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 3: mentioned Santana's last album with the remaining members of the 386 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: classic lineup Cara van Sarat. 387 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: Starting with this album, Carlos began to embrace more free 388 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: form jazz, fusion and the tradition of heroes like John Coltrane. 389 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: He also let his spiritual flag fly. 390 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: The inner cover of the vinyl album carried a poem 391 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: from Hindu American monk Para Mahansa Yogananda, reading. 392 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: The body melts into the universe, The universe melts into 393 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: the soundless voice, The sound melts into an all shining light, 394 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: and the light enters the bosom of infinite joy. 395 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: Career Suicide. 396 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: That's what the Columbia Records president told Carlos Santana upon 397 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 3: hearing the record. 398 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: Okay, this feedback was a bit harsh and not totally accurate. 399 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: The album reached number eight on the Billboard two hundred, 400 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 4: a step down from the chart topping success of Santana three, 401 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 4: but not quite Career Suicide. 402 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: Still, Santana's complete departure from pop rock soundcraft did put 403 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: him in a lower rung than before. 404 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: But hey, maybe that's okay, right. The band got way 405 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: too big, way too fast. A smaller spotlight can be 406 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: a good thing. Sometimes, you know, you don't need the 407 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: spotlight on you because you just feel like you also 408 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: just are alienated and it's okay, I take a step yeah, 409 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: but there's more even light on other people. 410 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: I think for somebody who has that like big first 411 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: brush with fame, it can almost like get in your head, right, 412 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: and it can create some like roadblocks. 413 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: And I also think just some like Foster syndrome moments 414 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: for you. And I think that taking. 415 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: A step back and kind of being like wait, as 416 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: I let me figure my shit out, let me like 417 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: try and like go back to what I love and 418 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: who I am. Let me like let me center, right. 419 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: So I think that's all it is. Like taking a 420 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: step back isn't back. It's like lateral, right, because they're like, oh, 421 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: they took a step back, Like nobody went back, like 422 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: you have the success that you're going to have, like 423 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: you have the raw gifts that God gave you, Like 424 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: no one's going a step back. I think it's a 425 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: lateral step and I think it's more of like a 426 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: centering type step versus like a step back. 427 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Does that make sense totally? 428 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: And also yeah, and I think that at that time, 429 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: you know, he didn't have anybody to kind of talk 430 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: to remind him of the greatness that. 431 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: He could just kind of abandon by. 432 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: Really level out and start again. 433 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: He was he was literally. 434 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: Well for probably for a reason. You don't leave that. 435 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: Not everybody is going to fucking leave you, you know, like everybody, 436 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: So he needs this time to start. 437 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 4: Everyone does. 438 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: As a famous figure, Carlos had been to the mountaintop, 439 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: but emotionally and spiritually he had been under the ocean. 440 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: He was ready for that to change. 441 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: In the early seventies, he began to practice a fasting 442 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 2: and praying. He read every book about Eastern mysticism and 443 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: philosophy he could. 444 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 3: Get his hands on, and around the same time he 445 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: would meet the woman he'd call his wife, Deborah King. 446 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 4: The daughter of blues musician Sanders King. 447 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: Debra spotted Carlos from across the room at Tower of 448 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: Power concert. 449 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: Carlos would say that the first time she came to 450 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: his house, she smelled like something he wanted to wake 451 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: up next to for the rest of his life. 452 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: Wait, that's all get cute. 453 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 4: A lot of people tell me that I'm serious. 454 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: Well wait, but Deborah wasn't the only person Carlos would 455 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: meet who would leave an impact on his life. 456 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy two, Carlos and Deborah together embraced the 457 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: teachings of a Guru three chin Mooi. 458 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: Under Chinoy's regimen, Carlos and Deborah cut their hair, took 459 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 2: on spiritual names Deva Deep and Urmila, respectively, and followed 460 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: a strict regimen of vegetarianism and abstinence from drugs. 461 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: Carlos would describe it as a West Point approach to spirituality. 462 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 3: Followers of gin Mooi would wake up at five o'clock 463 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 3: in the morning to meditate on a picture of the Guru. 464 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: Debora and Carlos would compete with each other to prove 465 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: their devotion, seeing who could run longer, who could sleep 466 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: the least and still function. 467 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: If this sounds a bit alarming. 468 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 4: Well, I mean yeah no, that's a call. 469 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 3: Yo, That's like a Netflix special ready to play, right? 470 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: And what's more, when Carlos volunteered his guitar playing to 471 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: help with meditation sessions, Ginoy's group would promote the sessions 472 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: as Santana performances. 473 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Despite all this, Carlos considered Chimoy to be a divine figure, 474 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: literally at the seat of God. 475 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: His words, Carlos and De would remain a part of 476 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: Chinmoy's following for nine years. 477 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: Until one day the Guru said something Carlos couldn't abide. 478 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: In the middle of preaching, CHINOI went on a homophobic 479 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: tirade about champion tennis player Billy Jean King. 480 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: You know those gurus are always trouble hating. 481 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: Avoid them always, and that's not. 482 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 3: Carlos right out of it, He and Deborah left Chinmoy behind. 483 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: Then Chinmoi forbid all of Carlos's friends within the following 484 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: from contacting him. The Guru said that Carlos quote was 485 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: to drown in the dark sea of ignorance for leaving him. 486 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: Okay, coming out of a non toxic person's mouth, that 487 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: would be a hell of a breakup. 488 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 4: Line death, saving that one for next time, Damien. 489 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: Having been excommunicated from the cult of Chinmoy, Carlos was 490 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: again alone. 491 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: He had released a number of studio albums under the 492 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: Santana Moniker following the exit of his classic lineup. The 493 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: first four records, Welcome, Barboletta, Amigos and Festival, expanded on 494 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: the more experimental jazz fusion sounds of nineteen seventy two's 495 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: Cara Mount Serai. 496 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: Despite the more modest commercial success, these four were well 497 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: praised by critics. Then came nineteen seventy eight's Inner Secrets, 498 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: which was a return to rock. 499 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: It did a bit better on the radio than its predecessors, 500 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 2: but as Santana entered the eighties, Carlos saw the group's 501 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: relevance fading. 502 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: Santana's album slid farther and farther down the charts. Come 503 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 3: eighty five, the group attempted to emulate the popular synth 504 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 3: driven rock of the time with the album Beyond Appearances. 505 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 3: When I listened to the first track off this album, 506 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 3: I was so confused. 507 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: It was like, this can't be Santana. 508 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: If I wasn't doing research for the show and listening 509 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: for that purpose, i'd have been like, Oh, that's some 510 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 3: like long forgotten about eighties band that no one cares. 511 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what exactly it's giving. 512 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: You know, It's just that I hear it. 513 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: But it just goes to show you, like authenticity is 514 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: so important and central to your success, Like, don't be 515 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: Santana trying to cover eighties scynth, Like, just be Santana. 516 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: The people will find you. 517 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: They you know, because your sound is unique and people 518 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: want you for you, and I feel like this, this 519 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: does not. 520 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 1: Do him service. It's like a just service. 521 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: You know. 522 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 2: If he would have made this, I hate you if 523 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: he would have made this for like the Olympics, almost right, 524 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: like the Olympics commercial. 525 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: It just sounds so sporty, don't you think? 526 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: It's just definitely not what I think of when I 527 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 3: think of the classic Santana sound like. 528 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: It's just this should have been on Rocky or some 529 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 4: like weird cheesy. 530 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: Movie, some eighties cheeseball movies. 531 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 4: He totally. 532 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, beyond appearances, was Santana's worst performing album yet. On 533 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: the next album, nineteen eighty seven's Freedom, Santana attempted a 534 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: course correction and returned to the original Latin rock sound, 535 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: but the public wasn't interested. 536 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: Carlos Santana was once on the mountaintop. Now he was 537 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: wandering the desert. 538 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: And it would take a mystical vision to show him 539 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: the way out. 540 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: On the next Becoming an Icon, Santana gets supernatural and 541 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: re enters the charts. Becoming an Icon is presented by 542 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: Sonoo and Iheart's Michael Durda. 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