WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys Break: Offense OK Without Zeke? 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:07.400 This is the Talking Cowboys Break, streaming live on Dallas 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.960 Cowboys dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys out Welcome 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:16.160 everybody to in a special edition of Talking Cowboys Break 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.800 in the swbc's Mortgage Studio after the bye weekend. Joined 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.640 today by myself, Taylor Stern, Brian brought us, Dave Hellman, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.240 and of course Nate Newton. So, how is everyone doing? 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.400 Feeling rested after that bye weekend? Feeling frustrated? Where are 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.880 you at? It's a crazy NFL. Yeah, this is crazy. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.360 That's why you're going with this. You don't want to 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.000 tell me what you did over the weekend. Yeah, I'm 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.280 just you know, you just watch tape of Navarro Bowman 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.840 all day on Sunday pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, you're feeling good. Nate. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.320 Oh yeah, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling real, real good. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.920 I just knowing what we gotta do and hoping the 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.279 coaches found some answers, you know, to translate to these 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.560 players what they need to do to get better to 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:00.280 win some games. I just want to say, I didn't 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.920 think about this team one time from like Thursday night 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.759 until an hour ago, and it was awesome. But I'm 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.440 ready to go now I'm feeling good. That's funny. You 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.000 would admit that it is your job. It is my job. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.440 And when I get like a three day break from 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.440 it for one of like two times all year, I 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.200 take advantage of it. You'll be able to be real 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.400 good for this show. Then. Oh, I'm so ready to go. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.959 He's prepared, ready, ready to go. Yeah, you didn't think 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:26.880 of the Cowboys when you heard that all of a sudden, 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.600 Navarro Bowman was an unexpected free agent in the NFL 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.600 linebacker when the Cowboys need a little bit of help 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.040 right there. I think that technically happened before we left 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.720 for the bye week. So I'm Saturday. We started hearing that, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.160 did we Well? Whatever, I got my ear to the ground. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.000 I'm good. You're on Twitter. I'm always on Twitter. He's 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.960 always on Twitter, so he's always thinking about the team. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.040 He's just trying to act like he's miss I'm trying 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.240 to act tough. Right now, Navarro Bowman, we can talk 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.600 about him because he is a free agent in the league, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.280 and he is a guy that's been very well known 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.320 with the Dallas Cowboys. Played with Sean Lee at Penn State. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.840 Both drafted in the same year Obviously Sean Lee ended 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.920 up here and Navar has been at this forty nine ers. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.080 So what do you guys think of him on the market. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.040 It should think take on him Brown, I know you've 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.799 seen something. Yeah, I know, I watched him. I just 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.280 got done. Watched him again against the because now the 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.280 forty nine ers being an opponent watching him against the Colts. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.959 Doesn't run as well as he once did. I think 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.280 the Achilles the knee has kind of robbed him of 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.160 that ability. Still a very good point of attack player. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.679 Still one of those guys that you know, if you 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.920 talked about, hey, I could see the fit because the 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.160 Cowboys have really really struggled against the run. He plays 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.560 Mike backer. That's kind of where the Cowboys, you know, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.000 have a little bit of some strength if you want 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.080 to call it with Hitchens, say what you want about Smith, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.320 but yeah, that's you know it would be. It would 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.120 be as a fit as a rotational player. I don't 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.240 know how much you would want him to play in 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.600 space anymore with coverage, because I think there were some 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.520 times where I watched him get taken advantage of that way. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.520 But when the ball's come in his direction, he's gonna 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.480 make the tackle, He's gonna be physical doing it, and 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.000 it's made that type of a player. I see why 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.960 that they're interested in bringing him in at least kicking 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.040 the tires on that he's a two down player. Now. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.280 I think he still played three for the forty nine ers, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.280 but I think that he's a better zone player than 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.400 he is a man player. Can you outline, and you know, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.000 first of all, let be let's be real for a sac. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.040 Usually when these types of things happen, you just kind 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.519 of roll your eyes and say no and move on, right, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.200 And we're not doing that here because I don't I 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.760 think everybody would agree that this wouldn't be a terrible idea. No, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.080 it's not a terrible idea. So with that in mind, 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.240 can you outline a more specific plan for how you 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.480 would play your linebackers if he was on this team, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.200 you would have to think about playing He could be 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.680 your mic linebackers strongly would be your will and then 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:57.240 you can rotate. You could probably rotate Hitchens over at 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.640 the SAM is what you would probably do, and have 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.040 him also kind of be your catch all yeah, catch 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.680 all player. Yeah, And if you go to and if 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.360 you go to the if you go to nickel stuff 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.240 then or dime you just take you take Bowman off 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.000 the field and put Hitchens at that spot and let 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.720 him be the covered guy with Lee. So that's how 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:20.160 I would play it. So but this this team needs 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.600 a run stop, but he need a boost because he 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.640 can do that. Yeah, because he'll get off blocks, he'll 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.839 be fisible with his hands Sean Lee. You know, I 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.920 understand that people think, hey, we would have won a game, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.440 we won one of these games if Sean Lee was there. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.800 But in this case, the more the merria, yeah, the 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.080 more mean because you we get we average and given 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.360 up one hundred and fifty yards Russian shan A. Lee 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.400 can't make every tackle. Yeah, I don't disagree and that, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.760 And like I said, I think this is a pretty 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.960 good idea and something that I'd be interested in the 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.320 Cowboys pursuing a little bit harder than we typically see 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.840 in these types of situations. If could get somebody that 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.520 could play the run, well, you need that. I get 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:08.279 my two concerns. It sounds so basically it sounds like 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.800 you would get a similar, if maybe slightly better level 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.640 of production with Bowman and Lee being your primary two linebackers. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.400 Than Hitchens and Lee. I think that Hitchens, to me 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.800 at the mic linebacker spot is not as physical. Yeah, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.400 but he runs better. But you're the space. You're still 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.760 probably looking at a solution where you're going to platoon 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.840 this thing, just in the sense that Hitchens still has 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:35.560 a role to play. Bowman is not. He's not that 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.480 top five linebacker that he was maybe even three or four. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.080 You this might even cause you to have to sit Smith, 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.960 which for the for you know, and I as an 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.479 inactive player, I can hear the fans screaming at me 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.119 from here that that's not a bad thing because Jalen 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.039 Smith has struggled with the amount, that's sure plate. But 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.560 I wonder for them, For the Cowboys, I wonder if 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.120 the addition of Bowman is enough to offset everything that 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.279 they've got going on already, assuming everyone's healthy, which I 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.320 know is not a guarantee. And on top of that, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.279 ego plays a factor in these things too, And I 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.159 wonder if Bowman is willing to admit that that's the 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.440 type of situation he's going to be in. You know, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.120 maybe he sees himself as an every down stud that 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.080 can still be the centerpiece of a defense. I think 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.280 when you get released, all bets are off. I think 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.880 you're just looking for a home. Now you're just trying. Yeah, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.760 you're looking for a place to Okay, where can I 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.960 finish this thing out? You know? I mean, who's who's 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.760 the best fit for me to have some success? Yeah? 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:36.320 You know when when you went into when you went 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.040 into as a coach of a fan, or how when 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.240 you went into this break? Uh, you know, And I'm 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.560 just I'm just old school. How what was you thinking? Okay, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.760 we we we even need a run stopping line defensive lineman. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.240 All we need a lineback or somebody to help. You know, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.560 no game to a two yard game, so you can 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.080 be looking in it second and seven full of change. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.039 Yeah you see what I'm saying. So now I don't 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.640 know how good this guy is, and I'm just going 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.440 by what brought us. Says he'll brought us, say he'll 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.320 first and second down backer. We we need a first 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.640 and second down back up because we've we've been getting gashed. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.960 You know. So I hear what you guys are all saying, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.440 but technically cleared up for the fans because it's not 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.920 as easy as though. Okay, we need him he's going 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.239 on visits. He's gonna go talk to some other teams. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.360 I think could be done by Wednesday, That's what I'm hearing. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.960 So he'll so that's usually around that time. Fan. So 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.520 then from there, how does you know? Technically, since he's 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.240 a free agent, you don't need to worry about any 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:44.000 trade or anything like that. So bringing him in, how 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.760 does that? He's a vested veteran. So San Francisco's gonna 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.560 have to pay him all year long, no matter what. No, 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.800 he could, he could. If he doesn't sign anywhere, he 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.640 can apply for his salary. Okay, but you know, if 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.560 he goes, If he goes, he's at a six million 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.280 dollar player. Ben he's and he's halfway where we'll not 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.920 halfway through, but the pro ration and so many games. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.080 They know the forty nine ers, the forty nine ers 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.080 are on the hook for the money they paid him. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.000 You can negotiate a different deal for him. You don't 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.720 have to pay anything. I mean, excuse me, Yeah, you 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.360 can negotiate a new deal with that. Okay. Instead instead 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.360 of paying him six million dollars like the forty nine ers, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.600 we're gonna pay him for the last eleven weeks. You 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.600 can pay him three million, four million dollars, like you 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.960 guys said, kind of looking for a home, looking for 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.480 a job at this point. But it's gonna have some 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.560 leverage and still probably a good enough player that he 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.800 can command. You know, he's going to sign for better 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.400 than league minimum. Yeah, some teams won't don't have the 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.959 cap space to make a deal like this. Dallas would 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.120 have the money to make a deal like this, So 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.880 that in itself gives you an opportunity. I know, talking 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.560 some guys this weekend, they're interested. You know, it's just 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.280 a matter of you're talking about a veteran player. Oakland's involved. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.560 He lives in the Bay Area. Do you want to 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.720 pick up I don't know, if he has wife and 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.480 kids and stuff. Do you pick them all up and say, hey, listen, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.880 we're going to Dallas for eleven weeks, or do you 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.160 just leave everybody at home? So I mean the fact 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.079 that it's a that the Oakland is interested, that that 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.160 makes it as a veteran player, that would make it 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.040 very inviting for me. If I that that would be 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.800 my selling point. If I was the Raiders, I'm like, hey, listen, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.880 you you know you're right by the basically, don't have 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.480 to change. You don't have to change, you don't have 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.040 to leave your home. You know, just go a different way. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.560 You got to go to Alameda now instead of Santa Clara. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.000 If he if he's good enough to help the scene, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:41.760 and uh, the money's right, you know, don't hesitate. I'm 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.680 want to I'm about a youth movement. But evidently the 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:50.480 Cowboy isn't not about a youth movement. So let's get 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.880 this veteran in here that making help us, because you're 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.160 either gonna sell out. And what I mean by that 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.720 is braink putting Neil on the roster, put Ash on 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.559 the roster, didn't put term around and put uh get 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.960 get uh. You know, there's a child and I'm talking 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.640 going on a youth movement, get charts and put him 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.400 out there and let you know, let's go, let's set out. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.920 But it seemed like they don't want to set out. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.680 So this guy should be looked at in a serious manner, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.640 not just want something to talk about. And you know, typically, 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.920 like I said, typically when this happens, you know, we 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.599 inquire and the front office is kind of like and no, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.480 we like what we got Um, but there's a little 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.840 something more to this, and yeah, I still I would 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.800 still probably bet against it happening. If it Yeah, but 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.120 brother might not be the Cowboys doing, might be somebody 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.240 else stepping up in say yeah, absolutely again, I gave 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.439 the Oakland If Oakland wasn't involved with this, I would 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.160 give you a shot just on the fact that that 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.640 the home, the hometown and not having to pick up 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.720 your life. Sure, it's just going to a different facility, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.160 but you're in the same area. Yeah, means more to him. Yeah, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.480 he's trying to have ale nitty lion reunion here, Brian, 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.400 don't worry about in state is ranked number two in 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.640 the college football rankings right now. Yeah, I'm not going 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.400 to discount that. I'm kidding I'm doing. I think I 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.640 think you're giving a valid point. And the Raiders, you know, 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.160 a team that he's very familiar with. Obviously, sure Bay 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.880 Area right what they could say to him because okay, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.000 so you say, decision, Raiders are really in the same 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.679 boat as the Cowboys, if you want to be honest, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.120 Very true, very true. Both teams thought of very highly initially. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.280 Now they're looking the Raiders are two and four, bad 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.200 loss against the Chargers yesterday. Offense hasn't clicked. The offense 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.800 hasn't click. Yeah, you mean you've had injuries, You've had 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.320 different various problems there. Yeah, we'll see. I think it's 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.320 far more, like I said for the third time, I 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.000 think it's far more likely to happen than this typically is. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.760 But yeah, usually when a guy like this mid season 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.800 gets dropped and everyone's tweeting, go to the Cowboys for instance, 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.800 for instance, Martavis Bryan, I no, I don't see that 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.360 at all. People want, you know, he apparently wants a 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.160 trade from Pittsburgh. He doesn't feel like he's that involved 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.520 in their offense. I know there's a lot of there's 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.600 a lot of support for him coming here. I don't 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.280 see that. Well, they were talking about all these backs 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.200 this weekend too. Was another thing that everybody was mentioning. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.440 Carlos Hide was on the trade market and a bunch 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.319 of people were telling me on Twitter Saturday, They're going, oh, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.400 we're gonna trade for Carlos Hide. I'm like, okay, let 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.000 me just throw it out there, let me just ask somebody, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.440 and I got this. Are you eff and kidding me? Yeah? See, 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.680 that's when that's when I you know, I asked that question, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.240 and when I get that are you eff and kidding me? Answer? 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.959 Then I then I then I it makes me not 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.080 want to ask anybody anymore, right, because again, it's just 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.760 is when you get rumored speculation. Now I asked about 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.120 this one, and exactly what we've just been talking about, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.880 the last six to seven minutes. It's gonna be about money, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.240 it's gonna be about rotation, it's gonna be about fit. Well, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.920 that's I think you can do yourself a lot of 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.000 favors as a fan if you just try to think 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.760 about this first. I mean, okay, naval bowman, you don't 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.520 have to give up any assets to get it right. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.360 You're not talking about a trade, you're not talking about 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.559 taking on a contract. And then you look around linebackers 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.200 an issue for this team. You've got injuries, you've got 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.320 tackling this issue, questionable depth, and you've got questionable performance. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.000 You know, no, it ain't it ain't it ain't questionable. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:15.360 See see at whide receive them. You know, I'm making 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.400 understand that dads may click, I may kinderstand that uh 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.240 will may not drop a valuable pass. I can see that. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.280 So Brian, Uh, I can see the other situation. You know, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.560 we got capable running backs, but right as of right now, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.600 you're given up over one hundred and fifty yards rushing. Yeah, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.920 oh man, you do what you can to get him in. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.480 If you can't, then you saw the youth movement. Yeah. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.600 And well, and the other thing I was gonna say, 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.800 the resources have been allocated on receiver and running back, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.000 whether you like it or not. They have done things 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.160 to address those positions. They have money invested, particularly at 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.000 wide receiver. They have a lot of money invested. I 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.920 would argue they invested a lot more in a linebacker 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.400 named Jalen Smith. I mean they went after him in 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.600 the second that's I mean, that's totally fair, good play. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.320 That is a fantastic They were kind of banking on 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.360 him being the Luke Keikley Shawn Lee of this team. Yeah, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.520 but one percent, valide I got it. But they couldn't 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.920 have seen they you know, and and I don't. One 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.680 thing I hate to do is go against management. Yeah, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.400 but if you watched the film, you couldn't have thought 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.840 that foot his football season. He had to play. Yeah, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.880 you couldn't have Yeah, he had to play. But That's 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.880 what I'm saying. He was forced in something that was 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.160 Wasn't it fair to him? Yeah? It really wasn't my 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.840 I got and again my other rebuttal to that would 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.920 be okay Jalen for sure. Anthony Hitchins is in a 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.360 contract year. Justin Durant is a guy that you brought 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.120 in for no money on the on the quick. Yeah, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.080 for debt, for debt. Damian Wilson. I know the charges 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.240 were dropped against him, but again he's closer to the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.120 end of his rookie deal in the beginning, and you 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.480 thought maybe you wouldn't even have him for a big 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.480 chunk of this season or next season. So I'm you 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.120 know what I What I meant by that is you're 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.040 not locked into some of these guys the way that 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.200 you're locked into debt Terrence Beasley Switzer. I mean, that's 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.360 four out of your six receivers right there that aren't 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.040 going anywhere for at least another year or two right now. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:13.600 Hell uh, broad is miss miss take is Damon whistling 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.800 and moving your meet up up? Is he making you 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.680 feel good? Honestly through training camp? I thought he was, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.080 and I don't know that he's been terrible, but he's 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.320 certainly where's the drop off? You know a lot of 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.280 these players that we've been talking about that have had 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.680 kind of rough starts, if you would. And we go 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.520 back and we're like in training camp, in training camp, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.400 we saw this Aron Jones. Yeah, you know, Colby Branty Brown, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.000 the polease guys that we saw in training camp. I 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.920 mean I've heard this said a lot of times through 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.200 these first five weeks. Well, in training camp, we thought 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.600 he was going to be our guy. Where is that 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.880 drop off? Is it just the nature of playing games 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.920 and getting back into the swing of things. Is it 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.400 is where the pieces fall? For me? It's simple and 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.960 in practice you get to pick and choose. This is 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.720 a pass period, this is a run period, this is 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.080 play action pass period. In the game is live and 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.160 you don't know what's coming. So now you got to 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.760 learn on the fly. And if you don't have the 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.560 right guys, like when a Sean Lee go out, the 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.720 little bit of a continuity you had just went out 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:26.520 the window. Yeah you know. So now yeah, so now 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:32.600 you acting players that Damion Wilson Jones, who uh, I 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:37.160 don't think he has natural instincts anyway, he has a 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.240 great athletic ability, but he don't have just natural ball 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.320 hawking skills. You know, he's a better player when you 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.560 let him come up and cover guys and then he 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.320 falls back into his say, he seemed to play better. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:56.600 So this team knew that, they knew that what there 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.920 was gonna face. But I don't think they think thought 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.040 it was gonna be like this. Well, I think where 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.720 they I think where the where the mis evaluation now 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.200 comes is you don't you know, we talk about the linebackers, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.960 but you're not getting that training camp level that we 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.560 saw from Malie Collins. Yeah, you're not getting that. Yeah, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.480 and you thought, hey, how many times we talked about oh, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.640 Stephen Pie, I look at him getting the backfield today. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.280 Stephen Pie is sitting somewhere right now, you know, Yeah, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.680 that's back on. Yeah, he's getting rehab. Your your your 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.840 defense is not playing. There's only one side as well 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.240 that you're not playing well at tackle. You're not playing well, 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.520 you know with the linebacker situation that's been a lot 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.199 because of Jalen Smith just wasn't ready to play. And 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.560 the safeties you mentioned Byron Jones, Jeff Heat's been bad. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.399 They've they've had Cabon Frasier's been bad. It just take it. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.800 Just take a pick whoever you want to do, whoever 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.440 you want to pick. On the defense, with the exception 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.760 of your left defensive end, you're gonna say, there's one 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.120 player on this defense that you can really say has 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.159 had an exception. Yeah. First, I mean there's a lot 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.600 of guys that aren't doing very well that you really 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.120 relied on. Just this. You know, they say, Okay, we're 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.320 gonna change out all the corners, We're gonna change out 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.080 two of the safeties. Well, the replacements, you know, haven't 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.199 been up to snuff, and and some guys that you 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.200 really really relied on haven't been up to snuff either. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.879 And I think it starts a lot with the defense. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.040 What's going on in inside it tackle? Where I thought 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.960 last year that was a strength, it's not a strength 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.440 any longer. Yeah, you know you're missing Tyrrell McLean. Is 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.399 that so you're missing him? Him and Collins were a 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:38.160 good combination in there. Yeah. What what amazes me is 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.399 I and I always feared this and now and now 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.320 it's my worst nightmare. Is like when hustling to the ball, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.720 it is not enough. You just need that freakish out 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.800 to me. Yeah, you need some playmaker. And see, this 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.280 is what I always fears. Brah Man. You know, I know, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.280 right Mary Nearly. I understand he can holly him, but 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.159 when you know he don't play, he don't play the 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.879 actual defense one day is gonna catch us. Yeah, and 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.000 this is what I fear. But the good thing about 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.840 it is if if we're not going to have a 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.840 stop gap player that can come in and try to 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.000 give us some energy, that's going to youth movement. Well 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.560 you know what another thing guys is too. And even 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.280 if you sign Navarro Bowman, does it help your run defense? Yeah? 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.159 But is the fault to what we just talked about 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.800 the defensive line allowing guys on second level blocks? Yes, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.160 I mean these if these linebackers are constantly fighting blockers, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.080 then it doesn't matter. You could have you could have 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:40.119 anybody you want by and mic linebacker, it's not gonna matter. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.840 Go get Jack Lamb. Yeah, you're gonna go get anybody 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.639 who in the great Dick Bucket, whoever you want to 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.280 get the greatest linebackers ever played, Ray Lewis. Yeah, you know, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.800 I mean if if if blockers are getting up on 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.679 these linebackers. It doesn't matter. It could be Navarro Bowman, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.920 but if he's fighting constantly to have to get off blocks, 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.600 that's an issue. Yeah to issue. Yeah, well, we're already 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.720 off to a hot start here on the Special podcast 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.360 on a Monday after a buye weekend. But join us 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.359 back in the SWBC Mortgage studio after this break, we 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.160 the entertainment loving people to end the best unlimited wireless 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.199 plan ever from ATNT. What else do you want? Are 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.600 you in a car? Maybe? 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