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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom Never Told You?

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Speaker 1: From House top works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly Molly. In these

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Speaker 1: winter months, there are a few things that I really love.

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Speaker 1: It happened in this season, in the winter time, in

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Speaker 1: the winter times, and that is the growing of decemberards

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Speaker 1: November's October. Uh you know the male facial hair that

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Speaker 1: tends to sprout in these winter lumberjack flannel wearing kinds

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Speaker 1: of months, right when when it's nippy outside. Yes, they

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Speaker 1: get a little hair to keep them warm, right. And

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Speaker 1: there is this specific charity event called November and when

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Speaker 1: men were supposed to grow mustaches in order to raise

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Speaker 1: money for charity. Kind of like that. I guess the

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Speaker 1: larger the mustache gets, the more money people donate. Something

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Speaker 1: like that. But women have come up with a similar

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Speaker 1: event for December. Doesn't involve growing mustaches. No, it does

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Speaker 1: not involve growing mustaches, because that would that would really

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Speaker 1: be a lot to ask for charity for women to

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Speaker 1: start growing out mustaches. Instead, it is decemb Brow and

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Speaker 1: which women are growing out their unibrows for charity, right,

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Speaker 1: And I believe this was spearheaded by Laura or Feminist

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Speaker 1: NG and she wrote one, you know, kind of tongue

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Speaker 1: I'm going to grow out my unit brow and this

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Speaker 1: is the charity the money is going to go to,

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Speaker 1: and this this way we can participate in this. And

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Speaker 1: it got picked up by quite a number of other

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Speaker 1: bloggers and and places in the media. Yeah, people thought

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Speaker 1: out their unibrows. And people thought that this was a

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Speaker 1: completely absurd idea, this idea of women growing out their unibrows,

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Speaker 1: because what is more repulsive on a woman than a unibrow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got Frieda and she's cool, but I

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Speaker 1: mean not if we had a bunch of Frieda's walking around,

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Speaker 1: people just go bananas. And that's not your opinion, Christen.

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Speaker 1: That was the tone of the articles that were published

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Speaker 1: back and you read the Feministing post on Decembrow, there is,

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Speaker 1: But it also points out this question of why are

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Speaker 1: it is a lot to keep up with. Well you know,

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Speaker 1: she even said, women who don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: So like I like we said, it's it was very

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Speaker 1: little patches of hair such a big deal? And they

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Speaker 1: are weird patches Molly, So I guess the first question

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Speaker 1: we should answer is why we have them in the

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Speaker 1: first place. So for that we had over to how

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Speaker 1: stuffworks dot com, not surprisingly, which tells us that we

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Speaker 1: most likely have eyebrows. Scientists aren't exactly sure why, but

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Speaker 1: the most likely explanation for eyebrows is that they help

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Speaker 1: that would be troublesome. And the article posits that if

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Speaker 1: fascinating tidbits about eyebrows and our history with eyebrows that

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Speaker 1: an ancient Greece women you suit to darken their eyebrows,

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Speaker 1: and they would make fake eyebrows from dyed goat's hair

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Speaker 1: and attached them to their forehead with tree resin. Now,

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Speaker 1: But as we will see, and as continues to happen today,

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century, right quick, Molly Well, and you've better

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Speaker 1: your wedding clothes. Had you heard of that? Questions? And well,

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Speaker 1: it are you gonna grow out a unibrow? You know, Molly,

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Speaker 1: we were opening up to you, guys, eyebrows thin, thick between?

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Speaker 1: Where where do you stand on him? The email addresses

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Speaker 1: mom Stuff at how stuffworks dot com and let's read

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Speaker 1: a few emails, Kristen. I have one here from Nico,

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