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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal verbal Hell that for.

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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many

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Speaker 2: players say, well, I want to be happy. You want

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Speaker 2: to be happy for a day? Edith Steak is that

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always our

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Speaker 2: last show of.

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Speaker 1: This god forsaken year twenty twenty the one and only

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm fantastic, Ty, I'm really good. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's because I did yoga yesterday or I did

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Speaker 2: find out the truth about my hydration teas. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that by the end of the episode, okay, But

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Speaker 2: I feel like in your introduction you left something pretty

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Speaker 2: important out. There's a pretty large elephant in the room

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Speaker 2: going on today here, and you're I mean, you're ignoring

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Speaker 2: it is odd. I guess what's today, Ty, Today's cheez

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Speaker 2: It Bold Day. It is cheese at Bold Day. But

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Speaker 2: something I think for both of us far more important

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Speaker 2: today is Ted Danson's seventy third birthday.

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Speaker 1: I knew it, and you you.

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Speaker 2: Left that out of your introduction.

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Speaker 1: I'm all about that Ted Danson money. You know that?

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Speaker 2: Have you seen? I know you are Have you seen that?

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Speaker 2: There is a Twitter account that is is today Ted

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Speaker 2: Danson's birthday, And every day it says it is not

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Speaker 2: Ted Danson's birthday, but today today it is today is

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Speaker 2: Ted Danson ted Danson's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful. Well, I thought the elephant in the room was

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Speaker 1: going to be your keys at the top about your

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Speaker 1: hydration or lack of hydration, Dan, But now I've come

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Speaker 1: to learn that that is only the second biggest lie

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Speaker 1: being perpetrated.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm also from a Spain. I didn't tell you

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Speaker 2: I'm from a Spain. I just you just told me

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Speaker 2: about the Hilario Bolden thing. Yeah, I had not heard

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Speaker 2: about this. Yeah, that's the best thing of the year.

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Speaker 2: This is a college ball show. We are previewing New

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Speaker 2: Year six games and other bowl games around in the

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Speaker 2: New Year six games. I very much promise you that

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get to it in a minute. But Tie,

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Speaker 2: somehow you didn't know. I don't feel so bad about

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Speaker 2: the globey tomatoes thing. Now, Wow, you know what You're right?

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't, I mean, you still should. You overthought that

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Speaker 2: I definitely haven't thought that, but at least and I

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Speaker 2: would imagine Hilary Baldwin underthought the accent that came and went.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go and and google this, Hilario Baldwin. Drew

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Speaker 1: McGarry wrote a nice explainer on this. But talk about

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Speaker 1: full bit commitment here. That's true commitment to the bit.

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Speaker 1: The Marty Smith Pop Culture special, how do you say

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Speaker 1: at Culcomb there are good Hell what a story to

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Speaker 1: close out with? Wow?

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Speaker 2: All right, well, look with that being said, we have

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Speaker 2: games to preview. As you said, Dan, we got we

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Speaker 2: got playoff to preview.

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Speaker 1: We got eight games in total that we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about on today's show, all of which are very important.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to lump NC State and Kentucky into that

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Speaker 1: equation just because I opted out. But there are NC

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Speaker 1: State fans are Kentucky fans. I know because I've heard

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Speaker 1: from all of them that listen to the show. They

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Speaker 1: want to they want a deep dive, Dan, So I

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Speaker 1: hope you're ready to go down to air yards and

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Speaker 1: havoc rates and everything when we talk about the wolf

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Speaker 2: Okay, always, Ty, I'm here for it. I you know

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Speaker 2: how I feel about the Bailey Hawkman turnaround with NC

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Speaker 2: I have I have thoughts on NC State Kentucky. I

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Speaker 2: Brandon Peters is returning to Illinois. Okay, cool, Right, There's

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Speaker 1: we will be discussing in the coming future. We're excited

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Speaker 1: about our off season plan.

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Speaker 2: We're getting our streaming stuff. I am going to stream,

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Speaker 2: I believe if it's relatively close, or if Oregon has

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Speaker 2: so you can see how sad Oregon fans watch football

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Speaker 2: games together. And I really want you to do this

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Speaker 2: for Notre Dame Okay, Alabama, I don't know. If it's

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Speaker 2: That's just it's a lot of talking and trying to

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Speaker 1: To help the week? Happy New Year's Happy twenty twenty, Dan,

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Speaker 1: We are going to do this preview one last time

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Speaker 1: fil A Peach Bowl high noon ESPN Friday, New Year's Day.

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Speaker 1: It's a home game for the joy To Dogs. They

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcats. To you, Dan, sure, So here's the rub.

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Speaker 1: Here is the rub.

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Speaker 2: I saw a projection.

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Speaker 2: It's I guess is it still called Soldier Field? I

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Speaker 1: Let it will not be going listen. Only the true

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Speaker 1: For those of you wondering, I don't believe that's. Northwestern

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Speaker 2: This game, didn't I think Northwestern's also down there? Two

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Speaker 2: it's been underperforming. It was underperforming this year. They looked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they scored six.

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Speaker 2: Points, nine points before the fourth quarter, didn't get into

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go to Northwestern here win this game.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, twenty one to thirteen that sounds about right. Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of points in this game. Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: If if Auburn were a teenager, they would be the

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Speaker 1: Can I go whole?

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Speaker 2: Are we done yet? That's who That's who Auburn is

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Speaker 1: This is like a seventeen to fifteen game with a

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Speaker 2: And ugh ah, so you're taking the points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, have fun.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, Time to let the big dogs eat.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to the first of two playoff semifinals.

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Speaker 1: This one the Rose Bowl Game, presented by Capitol One

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Speaker 1: and courtesy of the looser restrictions in the great State

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Speaker 1: of Texas. On one side, it's your Notre Dame fighting

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Speaker 1: Here Dan, four pm Eastern on ESPN. Here's the way

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Speaker 2: Or just can you, like, can you build from scratch?

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Speaker 1: plays against a team like a Clemson earlier in the year.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the year important caveat, but in terms of

434
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: a consistent downfield weapon that can blow the lid off

435
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: the defense and prevent Alabama from crowding the line and

436
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: making life more difficult for not only the run game,

437
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: but Ian book in the pass game. They don't have

438
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: that weapon. They've never developed that weapon, and so that

439
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: to me is the missing piece on offense on defense.

440
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have an answer, because my

441
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: theorem all along has been stop this offense. You can

442
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: get a couple stops, you're not gonna stop DeVante Smith

443
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: and Najie Harris and Mac Jones. Like, there's just too

444
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: many weapons to try and cover all these guys. So

445
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: I think the only path forward if you're going to

446
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: construct that lego universe, is one of which Notre Dame's

447
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: downfield passing game is a lot more of a threat,

448
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: and I just don't think they have it. They might

449
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: have the best offensive line in college football. Well, Notre

450
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: Dame can win this game. This is like, this is

451
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: not an impossible task. Notre Dame is better than every

452
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: team on on Alabama's schedule other than what two or

453
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: three of them, correct, I mean they're better that they're

454
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: They're likely better than all of the teams out and

455
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: maybe even maybe not Georgia.

456
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's just that's a toss up at best.

457
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: There are tossups. But Notre Dame is quite possibly the

458
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: best team, best complete team that Alabama will face all year.

459
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: I think that's right. I'm just saying I and that's

460
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: without a downfield threat.

461
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: And that's without a downfield threat. But if you're asking

462
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: me what is the formula to beat Alabama? I think

463
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is missing a very keycog. And look, could

464
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: they find it on a one game basis, sure, why not?

465
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: But I would be a liar if I sat here

466
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: and said that. I think, you know, confidently Notre Dame

467
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: has all the pieces it needs to win and they

468
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: can do it, because I just don't feel that way.

469
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: I can tell you how Notre Dame wins and I

470
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: don't even think they need a downfield threat.

471
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: How do they win?

472
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: It would help, They would help. They need to be

473
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: amazing situationally, which is where I mean they really fell

474
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: off against Clemson. It's converting not every third and fourth down,

475
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: but it's any ball that hits a player's hands, players

476
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: should catch. If it caroms off the player's hands and

477
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: into Malachaia Mora's hands, that's a failure situationally. And that's

478
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: what we saw against Georgia, right, we saw Georgia. If

479
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: you rewatch that game, Georgia was winning with five minutes

480
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: left in the third quarter, twenty four to twenty. That

481
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: was a Stetson Bennett Georgia team. Don't I think it's

482
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: causing waves for me to say ian Book is noticeably

483
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: better than Stetson Bennett and stets of men. It made

484
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: plays against his Alabama defense. Now, granted that's October seventeenth,

485
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: and since then Alabama has improved, has changed things up,

486
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: has tightened things up, and is a better team than

487
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: where they were before Halloween. But once again, this is

488
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame defense that's comparable in its performance, now

489
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: against lesser competition perhaps, but still comparable in its performance.

490
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: And if ian Book is scrambling for three yards on

491
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: fourth and two, that keeps things going, and that's very frustrating.

492
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: If he is hitting you know, very tightly covered receivers

493
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: in the hands and they're catching it and making plays,

494
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: that's a way to win, and Ian book is doesn't

495
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: throw a lot of interceptions is pretty accurate, you know,

496
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: and maybe playing into his strengths and maybe And I

497
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: remember I watched the Boston College game because that was

498
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: the last time Notre Dame scored forty five points against

499
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: at least an Oka opponent. And that game had I

500
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: think it was Cebow. What's Flemster?

501
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: Flemister?

502
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: Flemister. He was a weapon in the passing game and

503
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: that was interesting to me. And if you watch that

504
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: Alabama Georgia game, I don't know if you remember the

505
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: long James Cook touchdown, he's lined up against a linebacker.

506
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing that Notre Dame. If Tommy

507
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: Reese is suddenly a mismatch hunter, that's something that Notre

508
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: Dame can take advantage of. That isn't necessarily what this

509
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 2: Notre Dame offense is, but I think if there are

510
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: suddenly newer wrinkles, Notre Dame has enough dudes to keep

511
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: and because they have playmakers on defense to keep it

512
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: relatively close. Now, the other thing is with that Georgia

513
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: game is you can't let the dam break. We need

514
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: to protect the Notre Dame Notre Dame ty how about

515
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: that note?

516
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Well, and that's another important point, right, So it's certainly

517
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: about establishing some kind of balance on offense, whether you're

518
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: throwing the ball twenty five yards in the air or

519
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: just ten, but establishing some sort of passing game, whether

520
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: it's running backs or tight ends or whoever, so that

521
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: Alabama is not just going to key on the run

522
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: game and make life difficult up But the other part

523
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: of that is doing it early and not going down

524
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: fourteen to nothing like we saw happen against Clemson a

525
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. Right, if they get they started against

526
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: Syracuse and Boston College and North Carolina, like that's an issue.

527
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: By comparison, they did not get off to a slow

528
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: start the first time they played Clemson, right totally, So

529
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: on Kien Williams run, Yeah, I think they need to

530
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: try and find some way. And it's easier said than done.

531
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: We could sit here and talk about it till we're

532
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: blue in the face, but they need to find some

533
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: way to get out to a much much faster start

534
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: than we've seen in a lot of these big games

535
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: that they that they've been in, because frankly, if they

536
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: go down ten nothing in Alabama. It's over.

537
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: It's over, I think the important Well, first of all, though,

538
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: the running thing will be interesting because you know how

539
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: many times Alabama's given up four yards of carry since

540
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: that Georgia game. None, zero times, yep, zero times. They've

541
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: really tightened things up up front and they don't have

542
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: to rush a lot, they don't have to run blitz

543
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: a lot, and so that that becomes it becomes tough

544
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: if Notre Dame is forced into a lot of third

545
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: and eights in the Alabama defense can just sort of

546
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: sit back and coverage, rush for and you know, confusing

547
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: and book a little flush him from the pocket. Then

548
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: it becomes really difficult if Notre Dame isn't staying ahead

549
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: of the sticks. I just it's that damn thing to me,

550
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: because down twenty four to twenty they win forty one

551
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: twenty four. It's interceptions, it's understanding what Stetson Bennett's trying

552
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: to do. Now, the other elephant in the room. What

553
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: does Alabama look like against this Notre Dame defense? You

554
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: know what is Naji Harris's role? He wasn't that great

555
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: against Georgia for largely for a large portion of that game,

556
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith is gonna be a problem for anybody. But

557
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: what does Notre Dame do on defense in terms of

558
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: keeping Alabama uncomfortable? I don't know. I don't know, don't

559
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I don't have that full answer.

560
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm worried about that matchup. I'm worried about the matchup

561
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: of in particular New AP Player of the Year DeVante

562
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: Smith blowing the lid off this Notre Dame defense because

563
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Notre Dame had some coverage issues in that Clemson game.

564
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: They had a quarterback on the other side.

565
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: It coverage issues in the Boston College game.

566
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: It covers issues in the Boston College game, but especially

567
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: against a good quarterback like Trevor Lawrence, there were guys

568
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: streaking down the field who are wide open. That can't

569
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: happen again if Notre Dame wants to not have the

570
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: lid blown off of them early, and I am not

571
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: confident that they have the horses back there to take

572
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: care of it. Secondary is not the strongest part of

573
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: this defense, not by any stretch.

574
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: So that part of it worries me.

575
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: It's part of why am I am just all in

576
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: on this notion that if you're going to be at

577
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Alabama you got to score like fifty points. I don't

578
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: think anybody can cover that passing.

579
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Game, Isn't There also an element watching ian book where

580
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 2: there's certain very obvious differences when you start paying attention

581
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: to what the Notre Dame offense could do against Clemson

582
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: and versus the majority of their schedule. He does like

583
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: that backpedaling thing and trying to buy himself time rolling

584
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: way out.

585
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, you watched some of the stream that

586
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: I put out there when I was taking over Navy. Yeah,

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: it's my playbook. That's what Notre Dame runs. I was

588
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: running it because I'm Navy and my quarterback can't throw

589
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: the ball more than fifteen yards, and also because I'm

590
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: playing on Heisman. But that is essentially the offense that

591
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is running right now with the book, and

592
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: that I would expect to see a lot of against

593
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: Alabama unless they decide to shift it up. Now. This

594
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: is all to say, I am not saying any of

595
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: this believing that Notre Dame does not belong in this game.

596
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame belongs in this game, and I

597
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: disagree sharply with what I saw Brian Kelly announce earlier

598
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: that Notre Dame does not have anything to prove despite

599
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: some of their recent and former blowouts in big games.

600
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I think they have a lot to prove. I think

601
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: I have to keep this one close. I think losing

602
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: big here could really ruin the perception of what Brian

603
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Kelly can do as Notre Dame head football coach. They've

604
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of time now to sit and simmer

605
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: and think about this and hear about the world. You know,

606
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: the coaches love to play the underdog angle. No one

607
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: giving Notre Dame a chance here. I think it's something

608
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: like forty five to twenty eight. I think nineteen and

609
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: a half's a lot of points, but just a little

610
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: too much. Notre Dame can keep it within that margin.

611
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: But I think Alabama on the whole is still far

612
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: and away the better team. I think they're gonna end

613
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: up winning this one by double digits. I just have

614
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: no idea how Notre Dame is going to stretch the

615
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: field against Alabama, or how they're going to guard against

616
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Alabama stretching the field on them. So forty five twenty

617
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: is my final answer.

618
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: I think I think Notre Dame's constructed to beat mid

619
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: to relatively high acc teams and Big ten teams. But

620
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean what I was alluding to is like that

621
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: stuff works against Duke, it works against Syric, it works

622
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: against Miami. The ian Book backpedaling and trying to buy

623
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: himself time. The Alabama edd rushers are faster, they're angrier,

624
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: and did they get to the spot a lot better

625
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: if ian Book's trying to turn a corner scrambling and

626
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: so that that was obvious against Clemson, And sure, Bred

627
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: Vennables may have this Clemson defense in a better place

628
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: than where Alabama's defense is, but the quality of player

629
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: along the front of Alabama is identical. So I'm going

630
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: to adhere to the old adage like don't take the

631
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: points unless you believe the dog can win, has a

632
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: chance of winning. And it's hard for me to construct it,

633
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: even though I was able to did a better job,

634
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: did man? Yeah, I mean that's I mean, it's the situation.

635
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: It's little things. We like to pay attention to the

636
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: big things, but it's always the team that is better

637
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 2: at those tiny little things that wins the game. Not

638
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: throwing the ball behind a receiver, not you know, not

639
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: missing field goals, not committing dumb penalties and I just

640
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: don't see it. So I'll have Alabama covering here in

641
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: this one.

642
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: I have it.

643
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: We'll call it for forty one seventeen. By the way,

644
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: our preview of that game is almost disrespectful of Alabama

645
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: because all we did was sort of way the good

646
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: and bad of Notre Dame and not really talk about

647
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: the fact that we didn't mention mac Jones' name once.

648
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Did we Now we did?

649
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: Now we did. Alabama is supremely good. Their line is

650
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: a little beat up there without their center as his

651
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, but Notre Dames had time to work in

652
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: a new rotation there. Alabama and Najee Harris have become

653
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: quite interesting. The defense up front has become really, really good.

654
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: They've developed guys in the secondary. Patrick's Ertan remains very

655
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: very good. They're healthier at linebacker than they were last year,

656
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: and they've rounded into shape on defense in a way

657
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: that I think is even giving up the number of

658
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: points they did to Florida. I don't think Dan Mullen

659
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: very slash Brian Johnson are on the same level right

660
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: now as Tommy Reese, and he might get there. That'd

661
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: be cool if he did, but I don't think notre

662
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: name is specifically. Like you mentioned, with the downfield thread

663
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: and the creativity on offense that I've been talking about,

664
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: Alabama's defense has really become quite an impressive force. And

665
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: when you couple that with the type of explosion and

666
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: creativity that Alabama has ascended to on offense, really good.

667
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: It's real tough. I mean, it's almost superfluous now Alabama dominant.

668
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: I know we should mention specifics.

669
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Let's go to game number two, the

670
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: All State Sugar Bowl. Yes, number three Ohio State at

671
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: six and oh number two Clemson at ten to one.

672
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: Clemson's the seven and a half point favorite, eight pm

673
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: Eastern on ESPN.

674
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: These teams played last.

675
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: Year in the Semis. You may recall Clemson won that

676
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: game twenty nine to twenty three. Ended up being a

677
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 1: really good game, despite the fact that Ohio State jumped

678
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: out to a quick sixteen to nil lead. Trevor Lawrence

679
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: connected with I think it was haves etn late to

680
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: give Clemson the win in that football game. The priors

681
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: here offer us important context, but this is a much

682
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: different Ohio State team in my view, especially on defense.

683
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: They don't have Chase Young like they did last year,

684
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: a ton of other ballers out there, and they're still

685
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: very good, don't get me wrong, but they're just they're

686
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: not as good at rushing the passer as they were

687
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: a year ago. And there's also a lot of turnover

688
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: in the secondary, which means they're not as good against

689
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the pass. They're also not as good at protecting justin fields. Now,

690
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: this may all balance out right, because I can find

691
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: plenty of things on the Clemson side that would indicate

692
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: they're not as good as well. I read a lengthy

693
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: piece over on twenty four to seven Sports about the

694
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: Clemson offensive line and how that's a liability.

695
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: You know, Ohio State has some beef up the middle.

696
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: They could use that to push back and potentially impact

697
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or Travis Eta, and so you could play

698
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: both sides of the coin here. It just depends on

699
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: your perspective. For me, I guess the short, laziest possible

700
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: answer would be that I don't want to bet against

701
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, so that's why I'm picking Clemson to win

702
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: and cover. The longer you could say more, I don't know.

703
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: Data driven answer is that I think Clemson's going to

704
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: blitz the crap out of Justin Fields, and that's going

705
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: to put an anchor on the Ohio State offense. So

706
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel very confident that Clemson's winning this game. I

707
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: think they're winning this game. I think they're covering well.

708
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: Do you think Clemson's going to blitz a time just because.

709
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: They've had a hard time protecting Justin Field so far

710
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: this year?

711
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: I know, But Clemson, as we saw against Notre Dame

712
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: and Virginia Tech and a number of teams recently, they

713
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: can get home without blitzing.

714
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: They can get home without blitzing, for sure. They can,

715
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: and I think in this case they will. But I

716
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: also think that if you put pressure on Fields that

717
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: could limit the amount of time he has to go

718
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: downfield to someone like a chrysal lave.

719
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Sure who is returning along who is most of the

720
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: twenty plus players who missed the Northwestern Big Ten Championship game.

721
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: I think you want the ball in Fields's hands for

722
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: as little time as possible. You know, find ways to

723
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: spy him on the outside so we can't break contain.

724
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Find ways to put pressure on him up the gut

725
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: so that he has to make a quick decision, because,

726
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: as we saw in that Northwestern game week ago, he

727
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: is not immune to making some mistakes. Sure, I think

728
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: Clemson wins this one by thirteen thirty four to twenty one.

729
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: Lock it up block of the week. I like Ohio State,

730
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: I really like Clemson. These are two very different Did

731
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: you say by thirteen or you like them something thirty

732
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: four to twenty one? By thirty thirty four twenty one? Okay,

733
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: these are two very different teams from a year ago,

734
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: and I think in this case that affects Ohio State

735
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: more than Clemson.

736
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's a conversation. Did they lose

737
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: their best player side of the ball and Chase Young

738
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: and JK Dobbins. For sure, it's as good as Justin

739
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: Fields was last year. JK Dobbins, especially in this game.

740
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he made mistakes, but he was still amazing.

741
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: So I think I'm with you. So Clemson is the

742
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: number one havoc causing defense in America if I have

743
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: this correctly, And that's you know, tackles for a loss

744
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: and sacks and passes defended and fumbles forced and turnovers

745
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: are interceptions. So that worries me. That worries me with

746
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: the somewhat inconsistent nature of Ohio State's offense. Now, obviously

747
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: we saw Trece Sermon explode last week against Northwestern, and

748
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: certainly that's possible, but it seems like the way to

749
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: get Clemson this year right now is there are sometimes

750
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: there are gonna be open spaces on this defense, and

751
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: there are passes downfield to be had against Clemson. You know,

752
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: we saw Boston College take advantage. We saw Virginia Tech

753
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: Braxton Burmeister I think completed like a long pass, long

754
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: developing crossing pattern like twenty seven thirty five yards down

755
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: the field or something. So there those are, there are opportunity,

756
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: and Chris o'lave being back downfield is a big, big

757
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: deal for Ohio State just because he is that gravitational

758
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: player and there has to be attention paid to him

759
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: in that element of the offense. Now, Clemson with the

760
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: ball is a little bit more interesting to me because

761
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: of what you mentioned. The offensive line is fine but

762
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: not amazing, and it has affected the consistency of Travis

763
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: etn which is not a big surprise. And also they

764
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: just in terms of I mean the term is really

765
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: winter wonders where it came from with Clemson having the

766
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: dudes finally at receiver. I mean they always had dudes

767
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: at receiver, but finally putting it all together and relying

768
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: on those dudes at receiver against teams like Alabama to

769
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: make that leap to national powerhouse. Amari Rodgers is good.

770
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: I think he's more his strength is in his versatility

771
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: more than it is in his You have to account

772
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: for him fifty yards downfield a lot. Cornell Powell's interesting.

773
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he did damage what against Notre Dame, right,

774
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: but I don't think he can be counted on in

775
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: the same way that Justin Ross and t. Higg were

776
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: most recently in terms of winter wonders. So that's interesting

777
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: to me that Clemson has probably changed the way they

778
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: do things on offense. They run a lot of RPO stuff.

779
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: They get the tight end involved a good amount. Travis

780
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Etna is for sure involved, perhaps even more. I don't

781
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: have the usage rate or something in front of me,

782
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: but the construction of the Clemson offense is certainly different

783
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: this year from where it was these past couple of years.

784
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: I think Clemson on defense has enough of an advantage

785
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: against sort of greener elements of Ohio State's offense that

786
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with them. The spread once again

787
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: at this very moment seven and a half in favor,

788
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: seven and a half points. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to

789
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: go with Clemson. I think the two things being true

790
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: at the same time thing can apply to Justin Fields

791
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: and his connection to Chris Olave being excellent an Ohio

792
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: State not really putting it together on the field in

793
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: an impressive way at all points this year. So I

794
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: just I think Ohio State. I think you're right. I

795
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: think there are so many great things about Ohio State

796
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: talent wise and moment and situation wise, but it's the

797
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: stringing it together thing that has me worried. And so

798
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm not betting against Trevor Lawrence in this game. I'm

799
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: with you. I'm going to go Clemson. I'll go to

800
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: bout ten. I think that it's all closer cover. I'm

801
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: going to say thirty to twenty.

802
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And another I think key point here Ohio State

803
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: played six games. In my view, that does not make

804
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: Ohio State any less deserving of being this game. I

805
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: don't care about that. I agree with putting them here.

806
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: But well, in a couple of those cancelations weren't their fault.

807
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: They weren't their fault. No, but Ohio State's one of

808
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: the best four teams. I'm fine with that. My point here, yeah,

809
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: on only playing six games ties back into what you

810
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: were just saying. Stringing it all together with more reps,

811
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: I think comes more consistency, more repeat ability, or more

812
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: of like hopefully the good stuff that you get out

813
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: of practice, and they just have not had the reps.

814
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is not a situation in which

815
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: that that does affect Ohio State in a really negative way.

816
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Man, you couldn't move the ball against this Ohio State team.

817
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Peyton Ramsey moved the ball against Ohio State with the

818
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: full Buckeye attention. It's many. I'm okay with them being here.

819
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: I don't think the number is a huge deal number

820
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: of games, but I don't I don't have anything I

821
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: can point to or just like man, same old Ohio

822
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: State when you look at the actual games they played.

823
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we agree, Okay, four more games here, Okay.

824
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: On Saturday, January the second, we've got the Gator Bowl

825
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: tax Slayer Gator Bowl high noon ESPN n C State

826
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: at eight and three Kentucky at four and six. Kentucky

827
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: is favored, is Kentucky and pack it up, pack it

828
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: in mode.

829
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know who I like in this game. Yeah,

830
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: I'll take NC State here. They won more games than

831
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: they lost. I believe Kentucky schedule is harder, but yeah,

832
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go NC State here with the momentum they have,

833
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: as real or fake as you believe that to be.

834
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: I don't have a good, strong reason. I just I

835
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: don't like riding with this Kentucky offense on any level.

836
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna go with NC State here.

837
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm opting out. Let's go to the Outback Bowl twelve

838
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: Sea State. It seems fine, they're fine, eight and three,

839
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: good year. Actually yeah, out Back Bowl twelve thirty ABC, Ole,

840
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: miss at four and five, Indiana at six and one.

841
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: They're eight point favorite here. So it is very easy

842
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: when we do these previews to overvalue how much an

843
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: opt out means. It's very easy to look at that,

844
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: whether it's this year or any year, we'll get an

845
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: opt out and say, ah, wow, that's the that's the

846
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: key cog. It's it's gonna bring him down. I don't

847
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: know how much Ole Miss is Ole Miss without Elijah

848
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: more Ale White. Yes, yeah, eighty six catches. It was

849
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: far and away the most on the team. The next closest,

850
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: by the way, was Kenny Yeboa, their tight end, who

851
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: had twenty seven. He's also opting out Temple transfer. Yeah,

852
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this offense has two really big

853
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: holes for Lane Kiffin of phil The bright spot is

854
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: that it's Lane Kiffin and if he's gonna build the

855
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: whole thing out of Matt Carrall, that could be a

856
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch. Gotta throw it to somebody,

857
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: could be fun.

858
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: I don't you know.

859
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Lane's a creative guy, so I think he'll find a

860
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: way to make this somewhat creative. But in terms of

861
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: the old Tracy Chapman, what's our what's our one reason?

862
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have that here, So I'm

863
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: going to Indiana. Should also mention Jerry and Eally got hurt.

864
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: An Sanders, the number three receiver, got hurt. It doesn't

865
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: seem like they're going to be playing. And I saw

866
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: somewhere I think I want to give this the correct attribution. Yeah,

867
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: it's from the Clarion Ledger. We just want to be

868
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: a part of a bowl game after this long streak.

869
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: I guess of not being in one, we've not discussed that.

870
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know what our COVID nineteen numbers are

871
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: because we're just going so I guess, okay. So to

872
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: be fair to Lane Kevin, they have not talked about

873
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: not playing, but that he's asked about it, that all

874
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: these guys are out, that you have these opt outs,

875
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: you have the injuries. It's just a tough cocktail ahead

876
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: of a bowl game that is reliant upon a squad, caring,

877
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: feeling like they're all together. Indiana, I believe Indiana was

878
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent against the spread this year, yep, or

879
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: favored by eight. Here, they don't have any opt outs.

880
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: They've you know, they've sustained injury, those injuries over the season,

881
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: key injuries. When you look at Michael Pennix, Tom Allenson linebacker,

882
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: he's out.

883
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go with IU here.

884
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.

885
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with what is it? Jack Tuttle, Jack Tuddle, Indiana? Sure, yeah,

886
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: all missus defense has a very nightmarish basement. So I'm

887
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: gonna go. I'm gonna go Indianna here by a couple

888
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: of touchdowns.

889
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: It's not too late, by the way for ole Miss

890
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: to bail because just in the time that we've been

891
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: recording this show, Arkansas and TCU called off their bowl game.

892
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: They called it off. Okay, so you never know, there's

893
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: still time.

894
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: Let's go to the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl, Dan, let's do it.

895
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: Four pm. ESPN.

896
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: Your Oregon Ducks four and two Pack twelve champion Oregon

897
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Ducks YEP squaring off against number ten Iowa State, the

898
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: Big twelve champion. Iowa State favored by four and a

899
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: half points. I've got a line here in our Winter

900
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Wonders that you're gonna have to keep track of. This

901
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: one's on you, Okay.

902
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: It is?

903
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: How many PS five references are theyre going to be

904
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: during the game? Man?

905
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: Do you have commercials?

906
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, announcers in game play promost commercials.

907
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: Count. It's PlayStation Fiestamal commercials.

908
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Count twelve and a half is your over run right

909
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: from kickoff to the final gun?

910
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: You have to come up with that right now? No, no, no, no,

911
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: you have to count as you're watching. Oh, I just

912
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: have to count. You have to count, Okay, we talked

913
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: about the PS five before. As soon as NCAA twenty

914
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: seven or whatever comes out, I'll buy a PS seven

915
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: whatever it is by then. So is it? Are there

916
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 2: people like it? PS five? I know it's hard to get.

917
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten one yet. No, I don't.

918
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: I mean the reviews are they good? Don't think they're good?

919
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: I know, I know the console itself kind of looks

920
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: like a spaceship right, and it doesn't really fit neatly

921
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: anywhere because it's humongous and you can't put it on

922
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: its side, and so.

923
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: There's there's some is I ask an old man question?

924
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

925
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: Do people still buy the disks of games? You can't.

926
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: I think you can buy a model where there is

927
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: a disc slot.

928
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: There's a physical but I think I.

929
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: Think that's mostly for playing Like Blu rays. You can

930
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: download most of the games nowadays.

931
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: You download the games. How big are they in gigabytes?

932
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know many? Many? Several, five, six, several, twelve,

933
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: one thousand.

934
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: Forty four nine, I don't know PS five game size gigabyte. Okay,

935
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: let's see, let's live forty two gigs. That's a lot.

936
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: You were close with forty four Holy hell yeah.

937
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: Wow, damn this clamor is yeah yeah, Oh my gosh,

938
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm learning so much about technology. It's an eight hundred

939
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: gigabyte SSD inside. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible. Okay, Oregon Iowa State.

940
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: I like Oregon here, And every time I like Orgon,

941
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 2: they lose. Every time I like their opponent, the organ

942
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: Duck send up pointing. I like Oregon here because of

943
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: their defense in the way it's come together. I understand

944
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 2: the deficiency that they may have in the passing game,

945
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: but what Oregon has looked like these past couple weeks

946
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: in the second half against Cal in a losing effort,

947
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: mind you, and then what they did to the USC

948
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: offensive line, I think they're going to force mistakes from Brockberdy,

949
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 2: who I think was going is going to make plays

950
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: and it's had a very good year, but he is

951
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: mistake prone. And I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with Oregon's

952
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: defense leading the way to a tune of a twenty

953
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: seven to twenty four win. And I know I Aowa

954
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: statespavered by what four four and a half?

955
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: Four and a half?

956
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, four and a half points. Uh yeah, I imagine

957
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: we're going to see maybe more Anthony Brown from this

958
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Oregon offense, see what he brings to the table. They

959
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: had packages for him against USC in the Pac twelve

960
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 2: Championship game, short yardage and red zone package type stuff,

961
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: and he was pretty inconsistent at Boston College. So I

962
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: don't know that he is necessarily going to just like

963
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: lead the charge to a an exciting, productive Joe moorehead offense.

964
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, at times this has been a pretty explosive

965
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: duck offense. So I'm going to go with Iowa State

966
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: making a couple of mistakes on offense, making a ton

967
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: of plays with their excellent defense against an offense. It's

968
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: been pretty up and down, But ultimately, I think I'm

969
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: gonna ride with talent in a spot like this. Oregon

970
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: was up for the Rose Bowl last year. They're going

971
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: to be up for this game, especially with some of

972
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: the depths of where they fell and then the callan

973
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: Oregon State losses. I'm going to assume that there's motivation

974
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: there given that they're getting sort of a second chance

975
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 2: at some national stage glory. Yeah, I'm going ducks here.

976
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to Iowa State. Okay, I'm going to Iowa State.

977
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: This strikes me as a situation for Matt Campbell where

978
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: he can go out on a high note. He can

979
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: beat a Pac twelve champion. It was already a storybook

980
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: season for Iowa State, having beaten both Oklahoma and Texas

981
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: in the same year. They obviously did not seal the

982
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: deal by knocking off Oklahoma a second time, but they

983
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: played him tight. This is a good team. They certainly

984
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: are not without their flaws. But I like bris Hall.

985
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I hope that brock Purty doesn't make any dumb throws

986
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: like he did at the end of that Oahma game.

987
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: I like the Iowa State defense, and you could make

988
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: a case at Oregon should not be here in this

989
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: football game simply because the circumstances. So I'm going to

990
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Iowa State, a team that definitely does deserve to be

991
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: here and covers that four and a half.

992
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: And chess caller is a problem. He's like a mismatch

993
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: of a tight end. And we didn't really mention Baby Gronk.

994
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: He's the starting tight end for Notre Dame at this point.

995
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: Michael Maher, Yeah, well came in Tommy Tremble, Yeah.

996
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: Right, So that mismatch of a tight end should scare

997
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: everybody where you're just too fast and too talented for

998
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: a linebacker and too physical for a safety whatever. Oregons

999
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: have a problem with Chazz Cohler, and that is an

1000
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: element where, especially in the red zone, especially on third down,

1001
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: where I could see the Ducks really struggling. It's like,

1002
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: we know we're gonna this is me speaking as Oregon's defense,

1003
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: we know it's going to chess Coler and there's nothing

1004
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: we can do right. And that's tough. That's tough to

1005
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: deal with when you have a player that's special. So

1006
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: as an Oregon fan, I'm fearful. As a college football fan,

1007
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: I just enjoy watching him play. So it really has spotlighting.

1008
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: There really have.

1009
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Been a fleet of Baby Gronks in college football this year?

1010
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Have they not?

1011
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: There absolutely has. Yeah, that can.

1012
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: Be an off season show idea Baby Bronc power rankings,

1013
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: maybe a fantasy thing if we ever get to do the.

1014
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: Live show again, corraling all of the Baby GRONKX.

1015
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: Final game Capital One Orange Bowl eight pm on ESPN January.

1016
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: The second is number five Texas A and M. It

1017
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: is number thirteen North Carolina A and M is favored

1018
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: currently by seven and one half points. Do you remember

1019
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: how we talked about Old miss the Elijah More opt out?

1020
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

1021
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: What does this mean? This is an interesting setup for

1022
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: UNC nice draw getting in the Orange Bowl, getting a

1023
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: big game. They are going to be without Michael Carter,

1024
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: their leading rusher, Javonte Williams, their leader in touchdown rush

1025
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: has almost had as many yards as Michael Carter, their

1026
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: leading receiver, Diami Brown, and also their signal caller, their quarterback.

1027
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: On the defense, literally and figuratively, Chess are at the

1028
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: original chasm.

1029
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: That's true.

1030
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: Nobody that I could see has opted out on the

1031
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: A and M side.

1032
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be a real problem here.

1033
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: I think for mac Brown, I don't know how they

1034
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: can contend with A and M missing all of those keycocks.

1035
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: So give me A and M minus the seven and

1036
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: a half here, I have no choice.

1037
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to A and M as well. I worry

1038
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: about North Carolina. They at one point they look like

1039
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: the best rushing team in America. I mean one point

1040
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: the last time we saw them. That's what they look

1041
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: like against Miami running for seven thousand yards, not being

1042
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: able to do anything in the second half against Notre

1043
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: Dame worries me, given that's a comparable defense and Miami

1044
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: has a good defense, But I think Notre Dame is

1045
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: a closer analog to texts A and M than Miami

1046
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: is and just letting teams back in games. You know

1047
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: that the shootouts against Wake Forest and Virginia Tech and

1048
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: losing to Florida State, there's a volatility to North Carolina

1049
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: that I just I don't trust, especially with the guys

1050
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: that they're missing, with those two backs, receiver and linebacker gone.

1051
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with A and M here. I

1052
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: think there's a steadiness to A and M. There's not

1053
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: a ton of excitement all the time, though I think

1054
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: they're trending in that direction offensively. I'm going to go

1055
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: with Kellen Mond, especially with his legs. Taking it to

1056
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 2: North Carolina here and not going to be a super

1057
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: fun cocktail for anybody. If A and M wins big

1058
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame loses big, that's not going to be

1059
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: the best situation to watch unless you're an A and

1060
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 2: M fan, I guess, But yeah, I feel like there's

1061
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: an inevitability about this, and I actually really like when

1062
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: North Carolina was on its stride, was they were looking.

1063
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: I mean, be it, you know, against Miami, be it

1064
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: against some of the early you know when they would

1065
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: move away from Syracuse, when they would put on all

1066
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: the points for those stretches against Virginia Tech versus you know,

1067
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: NC State teams like that. They were one of the

1068
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: most fun teams in the country to watch. I think

1069
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: they've improved on both sides of the ball. You know,

1070
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: Sam Howell looks to be a little bit more mature

1071
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: in that offense. That defense has gotten better, especially in

1072
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 2: the back end with what's the fresh Tony Grimes. Yep,

1073
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: that would have been a really good Maybe that's a

1074
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: fantasy thing. It's probably too late, but he should be

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00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: in high school. He should, he should he should be

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: going to prom right But I mean he came in

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00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 2: right away and won a starting job. So the North

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00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: Carolina defense definitely has gotten better from where it was

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00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: last year. I think it's Jay Bateman, their defensive coordinator.

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00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: So I do like North Carolina. But there is a

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00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: steadiness to A and M and the way that they've

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00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: regrouped this year after their loss early on Tobama. I'm

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00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 2: gonna go with A and M here by a couple

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00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: of touchdowns.

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00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't see how North Carolina can

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00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: recover after losing those four key weapons. It would be

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: different if it were just one, but all four together

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00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: that's a real problem. And I do think A and

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00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: M is gonna be hungry here. I think A and

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00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: M's got a bit of a chip on their shoulder

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00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: something to prove. This is not a great situation for

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00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: North Carolina on a couple different fronts, So I think

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you. The counterpoint, I guess, would be that

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00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: there have been spots this year where the argument against

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: A and M has been that we know they're better

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00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: than their opponent, and they still don't. I don't separate, right,

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00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: but this is just such a unique circumstance, such a

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00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: unique circumstance where I just don't know how North Carolina

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00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: is going to contend. So give me A and M

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00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: by like ten to fourteen points here.

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00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm not fully sure why A and M. Excuse me,

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00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: why North Carolina is in this game.

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00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: Nor am I.

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00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: They go eight and three, Iowa State ends up in

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00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: their conference championship game Indianago six and one. I guess

1106
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: if you want to hold up the number of games

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00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: against them, that's fine, But I don't know. I just didn't.

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised seeing this, and then maybe

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: there's some reason that escapes me why eight and three

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00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: North Carolinas in this game and a bunch of one

1111
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: or two lost Power five teams are not in this game.

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Losing to Florida State, it's not

1113
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: the disqualifier to me that losing to Clemson the way

1114
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: that Notre Dame did was for the playoff. But there's

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00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: something kind of disqualifying about losing to Florida State and

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00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: still ending up in the New Year six game. There's

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00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: a whiff of it, all right, So we agree that

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: does it? That does it?

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Speaker 1: Final eight bowl games. We do have a championship game,

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Speaker 1: which we will preview once we know who is playing

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00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: in that football game. We'll probably do that, I guess

1122
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: the Wednesday before the game.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: So do stay tuned for more info on that. We

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Speaker 1: would encourage you all to go out out to verballers

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00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: dot com. Check out all the fun stuff we're doing

1127
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: on the Patreon, subscribe to this podcast if you don't

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Speaker 1: already at solid verbal dot com, and follow us on

1129
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: social media. Dan We've got a ton of different hotspots

1130
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: where you can do so. Follow us Facebook or Twitter,

1131
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram, on YouTube for some of the video clips.

1132
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: Started doing some streaming stuff as well over on Twitch,

1133
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: so all sorts of places. If you like the verbal

1134
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: you can find.

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: Whatever it is.

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00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Dan and I are up to be a talking college

1137
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: football or playing games or whatever else, talking about water,

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00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: talking about one. Now, explain this to me. Okay, I'm

1139
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: glad you brought it full circle.

1140
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not abliding this. It's not I'm accountable here, Ty.

1141
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: It's not quite Hilario Baldwin levels. But you originally said

1142
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: to me last show that you could drink sixty four

1143
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: ounces of water in ninety seconds, and quickly revised that down,

1144
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: uh huh, and said it's more like forty eight ounces,

1145
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: which I said, that is still a lot. That's four

1146
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: cans of soda. So again I called BS on that.

1147
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1148
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: We had another exchange since then, maybe through Twitter, maybe

1149
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: through slack. It all runs together at this point where

1150
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: I believe you revised it down again to thirty ounces

1151
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: and the time horizon up to five minutes.

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not fully accurate. Oh maybe that's accurate, but

1153
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: it's not fully accurate of what the reality actually is.

1154
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: Because I met these morning.

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00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: Please set the record straight. I've offered, as you know

1156
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: earlier today, to send KPMG in there to officially audit

1157
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: this and let us know the real story.

1158
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: But what handcuff themselves to a briefcase?

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01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: Correct?

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01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: The results is the water slash hydration situation. Final answer, Dan.

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01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: It's about forty four forty five in what time period

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01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: in probably I don't know, three or four minutes, two

1164
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: to four minutes somewhere in there. I don't well, So

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01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: when I'm drinking it, I don't drink it for speed.

1166
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: I just drink it. I just try to, you know,

1167
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: chug it down to end the process of just standing

1168
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: there with a giant cup of water. I believe the

1169
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: cup is about thirty two ounces, and I what I do,

1170
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: what I'm blaming essentially my brain for being stupid. I

1171
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: didn't know the ounces involved in that cup. And what

1172
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: I used as a reference is my refrigerator has one

1173
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: of those digital readouts. When you like push it in,

1174
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: the water stream starts coming down, it starts displaying the

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01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: ounces output. And it's doing that incorrectly. And I just

1176
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: rolled with that, it's basically doubling the amount of ounces

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: on the screen. That is what actually is happening in

1178
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: the cup. So when I would fill up that cup

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: fully to about thirty ounces or whatever it is, because

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: I don't have it, you know, teetering on the edge,

1181
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: it would register us over fifty. And so what I

1182
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 2: was thinking is like, Okay, well this refrigerator is telling

1183
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: me how much water I'm drinking. I think the stream

1184
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: slowed down tie and so that threw off my uh

1185
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: my ounce count. So I probably do a cup and

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01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: a half. So I'm saying, I'm thinking it's somewhere forty

1187
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: two to forty five ounces first thing in the morning,

1188
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: water and everything goes from there. It's still a lot

1189
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: of water.

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01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: To me. It's still I'm not debating the fact that

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: you can drink a lot of water quickly. Yeah, it's

1192
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 1: just how much.

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah No, it's not six it's not a full half gallon.

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01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: It's fort and it's not ninety seconds. That's the other

1195
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: that's the thing. The first the first full cup of

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: like thirty ounces goes.

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01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: Down about ninety seconds.

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01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now I feel better talking to you

1199
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: because I was thinking if this is.

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01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: True, I'd pee like crazy. You should know that.

1201
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the other kind of streaming, right,

1202
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: Like we're doing all sorts of streaming. Now, if you

1203
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: were doing sixty four ounces and ninety seconds, you're like

1204
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: the Joey Chestnut of hydration.

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I'm not drinking water to impress people and

1206
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: win money. I'm just drinking it because it helps my

1207
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: system operate. All right, So all right, yeah, I'm going, yeah,

1208
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: somewhere on that range, and then I will have more water,

1209
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: probably at I don't know, somewhere between eleven and one.

1210
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: With lunchtime, I'll do another We'll call it twenty four

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 2: ounces maybe something like that.

1212
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, but that's not a speed thing.

1213
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm just drinking it alongside lunch.

1214
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: All right. Well, this is good to get this clarification. Now. Yeah,

1215
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: for those folks who have asked, because we had some

1216
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: folks out there on Twitter and the discord out on

1217
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: the Patreon wondering is what's the real story here? So

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: thank you for clearing that up. And I don't have

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01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: a Spanish accent, to be clear, I.

1220
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: Am at that from a Spain.

1221
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: No. Well, look, everybody, we wish you a healthy, a safe,

1222
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: a wonderful new year. We will catch you all on

1223
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: the flip side. We will be here all throughout the

1224
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: off season talking college football. We hope you enjoy the

1225
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: bowl games wherever this podcast may find you in the meantime.

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: For that guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: Tie Hill dand we'll talk to y'all soon.

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Speaker 2: Stay Sid, peace and happy birthday Ted. Dan Soon