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Speaker 1: the great Joe Marino joining me now is a man
Speaker 1: who needs no introduction here in these parts. He does
Speaker 1: root for the wrong team, but he has the right
Speaker 1: last name, My friend Joe Marino. Back again, Joe, How
Speaker 1: are we doing, man, Travis. We've had enough conversation to
Speaker 1: this point where I'm surprised you hadn't hit me with
Speaker 1: that amazing introduction to this point. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: that was well put together. I'm doing well, glad to
Speaker 1: be on with you, and of course thank you for
Speaker 1: having me well. The guy that I work close closest
Speaker 1: with in the podcast here always tells me, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe the better introduction is a good a good example
Speaker 1: of progress here on the Drivetime podcast. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: the master's wrapped last weekend and the trition like no other.
Speaker 1: I always have to ask you here dad life. We
Speaker 1: both have kids at the same age and probably going
Speaker 1: through some of the same things at these phases of fatherhood,
Speaker 1: so I had to ask you, how's how's getting the
Speaker 1: kid going in the mornings and just dad life in general.
Speaker 1: How you how you feeling in dad? Life is still amazing.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what things are like on your end. Um,
Speaker 1: we're you know we we we uh, we're into our
Speaker 1: three our age three season, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: of being a human. So so that comes with some
Speaker 1: unique challenges. UM definitely very interested in what she wears
Speaker 1: every day. So there's you know, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a struggle sometimes in the morning, but we keep her busy. Man.
Speaker 1: She's involved in uh swim, in gymnastics and dance and
Speaker 1: loves her preschool, so we keep her going. Um and
Speaker 1: it's fun. She's got a lot of functionality. I think
Speaker 1: there's probably at least five times a day where I
Speaker 1: look at her and for completely different reasons, I say
Speaker 1: to myself, I can't believe you're real. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that you're real. But she's She's the joy of our life.
Speaker 1: We're loving being parents over here, and I hope the
Speaker 1: same is true for you. It absolutely is. I love
Speaker 1: to hear those updates are the best. To me, that's
Speaker 1: the best. We're doing the podcast here all day. But
Speaker 1: the dress thing is funny because my little one always
Speaker 1: wants to wear what she calls let It Go dresses
Speaker 1: just because Elsa always has, you know, her nice dresses
Speaker 1: on and Frozen and she she's obsessed with Frozen as
Speaker 1: as most kids are. So yeah, man, and then like
Speaker 1: also watching what we say, she's starting to pick up
Speaker 1: on things that we say. Now it's it's getting out
Speaker 1: of control, man. You know, it hit me this past
Speaker 1: month or so, is you know, we're obviously all the
Speaker 1: way into the weeds with Frozen. This movie came out
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. Nobody, nobody told my daughter that it
Speaker 1: was popular amongst the little girls her age. But it
Speaker 1: just happens. I mean, for whatever reason that Disney has
Speaker 1: built an absolute empire with that that movie, and it's
Speaker 1: a big part of just about everything that happens here
Speaker 1: in our house. Yeah, and there's so many movies that
Speaker 1: they've put out recently that, you know, nothing measures up
Speaker 1: to Frozen. I like to think a little bit of
Speaker 1: Josh gadd has something to do with that big time
Speaker 1: Dolphins fan here so they can shout out on the
Speaker 1: podcast I All Off Cracks Meet Up. Even so, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to watch that one over some of the other
Speaker 1: options out there in the Disney Pixar universe. But that's
Speaker 1: that's the update there. You know, a couple of dads
Speaker 1: talking football here, and what better position groups talk about
Speaker 1: with you than the offensive line. I think we made
Speaker 1: a tradition now of three or four years in a
Speaker 1: row here on the Draft Time podcast. Joe does great
Speaker 1: work both with Lockdown NFL Scouting and the Lockdown Bills podcast.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the Bills obviously looking for
Speaker 1: some offensive line help. They went aggressively in free agency
Speaker 1: this year and got a couple of guys in McGovern
Speaker 1: in Kestonberry. So but I think they'd probably still be
Speaker 1: in the in the mix for for drafting that position
Speaker 1: group up front, and I think the Dolphins probably are too,
Speaker 1: and most teams usually are. Right, it's a position group
Speaker 1: that tends to I guess just have needs every single
Speaker 1: year for five five positions up front on your team.
Speaker 1: And I want to go ahead and start here because
Speaker 1: I've looked at a few mocks and you know, done
Speaker 1: my own work, and everyone has their opinions. Dolphins first
Speaker 1: pick in this year's draft is number fifty one. If
Speaker 1: you had to p what's your best guestiment on it?
Speaker 1: How many players would you say? Four? Sure? A lot
Speaker 1: across the offensive line, tackle, guard, center, doesn't matter. Would
Speaker 1: you say, are first, You're going to be gone by
Speaker 1: the time the Dolphins pick at fifty one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's a great way for us to start the conversation.
Speaker 1: And like you mentioned, you know, offensive line needs are
Speaker 1: pretty prevalent across the entire league, and it's really the
Speaker 1: only position group where you have five starters, right like
Speaker 1: everything else is you have a tight end or a
Speaker 1: riding back. You got five of these offensive linemen, and
Speaker 1: it's tough to get five good ones. And so I
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams are in the market for
Speaker 1: these players, and I think the good news for these
Speaker 1: teams in need of offensive line help is that there's
Speaker 1: help available in this draft. And so when I consider
Speaker 1: who's definitely not going to be there at fifty one,
Speaker 1: some of the names that come to mind for me
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, the tackle from Ohio State, Roderick Jones, the
Speaker 1: tackle from Georgia, Darnel Right, the tackle from Tennessee, Peter
Speaker 1: Scronsky out of Northwestern. I'd see those are definitely out
Speaker 1: of the picture, those four guys, and then several guys
Speaker 1: that are kind of fringe where you would not be
Speaker 1: surprised if they were taken, but you'd also not be
Speaker 1: surprised if they were available. But if I was a
Speaker 1: Dolphins fan, I wouldn't be thinking about Paris Johnson, Broderick Jones,
Speaker 1: Darnell Right or Peter Skanski. One of the things I
Speaker 1: love that you and Kyle do so much is not
Speaker 1: just a draft aspect of the game, but really what
Speaker 1: I think the draft, you know breeds itself too, is
Speaker 1: the team building aspect. And so with that you kind
Speaker 1: of take a look at the draft from more nuanced
Speaker 1: perspectives and not just like player A as good at X,
Speaker 1: therefore you know player or team why should draft him?
Speaker 1: Like you understand how draft boards work in how position
Speaker 1: gluts and those types of things can just cause surprises
Speaker 1: on draft night. So I was curious because you mentioned
Speaker 1: those four names, and I was looking back at I
Speaker 1: think it was the Bruce Felman mock, which I think
Speaker 1: is one of the best ones out there every year
Speaker 1: where he gets really good intel from scouts and coaches
Speaker 1: across the league and in college football, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about only having four offensive linemen the guys you
Speaker 1: just mentioned in that group, and you know, thinking about
Speaker 1: a handful of names that probably hear their name called
Speaker 1: early on Day two or at the least at the
Speaker 1: earliest or elist I should say, end of round two.
Speaker 1: Does that tend to because there are so many guys
Speaker 1: in that potential slot. Do you think you could see
Speaker 1: a situation where teams are kind of coming up to
Speaker 1: go get those tackles early in that Day two where
Speaker 1: it seems like every year we have one position group
Speaker 1: where teams trade up and knock it out really quickly.
Speaker 1: Could you see that being the offensive line this year?
Speaker 1: I certainly could. Like we've already established the need out
Speaker 1: there is prevalent, and what's more important than protecting your
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback? Right, And there's so many good young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: across the NFL that teams probably feel a lot of
Speaker 1: urgency to go out and get them the right mix
Speaker 1: of players in front of them. And so if there's
Speaker 1: a reduced list, and there is for every team, right,
Speaker 1: we talk about all these players at large, but in reality,
Speaker 1: every team's going to have their different appetites for players
Speaker 1: and scheme fits and personality fits, and so you know,
Speaker 1: you might look at it and say, well, if you
Speaker 1: get one of these fifteen players as you get a
Speaker 1: starting offensive lineman, but probably for most teams that that's
Speaker 1: probably cut in half, if not even further. And so
Speaker 1: as you kind of foil all those dynamics together, you
Speaker 1: can realize that the need, the urgency, the player pool
Speaker 1: that's going to potentially lead to some some movement. And
Speaker 1: I can see teams definitely wanting to make that choice
Speaker 1: to move up the board to make sure that they
Speaker 1: get a guy that they absolutely like that they feel
Speaker 1: I can be an answer for them up front. I'd
Speaker 1: be curiously what the Dolphins approaches come draft night because
Speaker 1: only having the four draft picks, and you know, no
Speaker 1: one's crying about spending a third round draft pick on
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. But you know, we spoke a little bit
Speaker 1: off the air about the draft this year, and you know,
Speaker 1: when we only have four picks, like that's that's less
Speaker 1: work I got to do in the draft class getting
Speaker 1: ready for because we don't we don't look at the top.
Speaker 1: You know, twenty five or so players that you almost
Speaker 1: can put a lock next to the names first round picks.
Speaker 1: But in doing so, m you wonder do the Dolphins
Speaker 1: target a move up? Do they decide to go back
Speaker 1: and try to acquire more picks. I think it's a
Speaker 1: a kind of a unique situation where they're at right now,
Speaker 1: and with that mind and the potential to add competition
Speaker 1: to the offensive line, which you know, Chris Greer has
Speaker 1: mentioned doing this offseason to give some help to not
Speaker 1: just to run Armstead Corner Williams and Robert Hunt, but
Speaker 1: you know, Austin Jackson, Leah Eichenberg, a couple of high
Speaker 1: draft picks in the last a couple of recent years
Speaker 1: here and thinking about how this Dolphins system is is
Speaker 1: prevalent across the league, you know, from the Shanahan tree
Speaker 1: and obviously McVay and Lafleur, and there's so many influences
Speaker 1: that come from this coaching tree. I'm curious who you
Speaker 1: might have as potential fits that could be on the
Speaker 1: board at pick fifty one in the essence of, you know,
Speaker 1: firing off the football, playing a lot of that wide zone,
Speaker 1: but also having the gap schemes they incorporate as well.
Speaker 1: It's pretty diverse. But as far as offensive line fits
Speaker 1: that could be there at pick fifty one, who do
Speaker 1: you like for Miami? I think there's three names that
Speaker 1: really pop for me that I think would be terrific
Speaker 1: picks for the Miami Dolphins. The first one is Matthew
Speaker 1: Bergh Run out of Syracuse six five eighteen pou thirty
Speaker 1: three and three quarter inch arms. Very productive player at Syracuse,
Speaker 1: and what I really like about him is how he
Speaker 1: got better every single season and I love that ascending
Speaker 1: nature of the caliber of play that he's delivered. And
Speaker 1: I thought he was the best offensive lineman at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And so you talk about kind of putting
Speaker 1: an exclamation point on your film resume, I think burs
Speaker 1: Roun's really done that. And what I love about him
Speaker 1: as a player is just the body control and just
Speaker 1: how good he is at staying square and playing within
Speaker 1: himself and not getting over extended and really playing with
Speaker 1: good bend and leverage. And there's just a very natural
Speaker 1: understanding of that that you can see in the way
Speaker 1: that Matthew burs Around plays. And you know, he was
Speaker 1: tasked with so many good pass rushers at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and he clamped them all down. And I think
Speaker 1: that just as a testament to how much he trusts
Speaker 1: his technique, how technically refined he is. The body control,
Speaker 1: the ability to frame and stay square. I think he's
Speaker 1: just such a solid and if he was there at
Speaker 1: fifty one, I would have no reservations about him being
Speaker 1: my pick if I were the Miami Dolphins. Another offensive
Speaker 1: tackle that I really like is to Want Jones out
Speaker 1: of Ohio State. Now, he's a mountain of a man,
Speaker 1: six eight, three hundred and seventy four pounds, unbelievable length.
Speaker 1: I've never seen length like this. We're talking about a
Speaker 1: wingspan of eighty seven and seven eighth inches, thirty six
Speaker 1: and three eighth inch arms. The guy's got eleven and
Speaker 1: five eighth inch hands. I mean, this guy is an
Speaker 1: absolute monster. And maybe you're wondering to yourself, well, does
Speaker 1: that really work with a wide zone rushing offense. I
Speaker 1: think it does, and I think the reason it does
Speaker 1: is because of the length and how that really makes
Speaker 1: up for anything that he's lacking athletically. And look for
Speaker 1: a three hundred and seventy five pound dude that's six
Speaker 1: to eight. He got good movement skills, right, So that's
Speaker 1: that's definitely prevalent in his game. He's just obviously not
Speaker 1: going to be super fleet of foot just because of
Speaker 1: the mass and body composition. That he has, but what
Speaker 1: he really does to maximize his length is special to
Speaker 1: me in terms of being very deliberate with getting his
Speaker 1: hands on guys, and his grip strength and his latch
Speaker 1: strength is really really good, and that enables him to
Speaker 1: sustain blocks. And obviously he's a powerful guy. And you
Speaker 1: talk about widening those rush lanes and you know, given
Speaker 1: giving those backs some room to work with, he's going
Speaker 1: to be able to create that for you. And again
Speaker 1: in pass protection, obviously a lot of quick setting in
Speaker 1: the Dolphins offense, and you're not gonna you're not gonna
Speaker 1: touch getting by Dwan Jones quick sets. But I think
Speaker 1: even if you ask him to vert vertical set, which
Speaker 1: of course with two in the play action game, and
Speaker 1: how proficient he is with that and throwing the ball
Speaker 1: down the field. You know, having guy like Dwan Jones
Speaker 1: who is just so much to get around, I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to elongate pats if you're an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: You want to make those paths to the quarterback longer
Speaker 1: for pass rushers, and my goodness, can d Wand Jones
Speaker 1: do that? And certainly in that Ohio State offense, he
Speaker 1: was given the opportunity to really have to sustain in
Speaker 1: pass protection quite a bit given the choice routes that
Speaker 1: exist in that offense. And you know, certainly c J.
Speaker 1: Straub was working the ball down the field as well,
Speaker 1: And so I think that he's a really good fit,
Speaker 1: especially because I feel like if the Dolphins can really
Speaker 1: get that run game going, it can mean a ton
Speaker 1: for their offense and how it evolves this coming season.
Speaker 1: And I'll give you a player here on the interior
Speaker 1: that I like. There's probably several that I like, but
Speaker 1: a guy that really pops for me is Cody mock
Speaker 1: out of North Dakota State. Played left tackle for North
Speaker 1: Dakota State. I think he came there as a tight
Speaker 1: end move to tackle, really good movement skills. I love
Speaker 1: his range. So if you want to get a guy
Speaker 1: out in space, working in longer polls, climbing to the
Speaker 1: second level, he's very proficient at that. Obviously as a
Speaker 1: former tackle, you like that projection inside as a pass blocker,
Speaker 1: but I think the range in athleticism for him that
Speaker 1: you see on tape would be a major asset to
Speaker 1: what the Miami Dolphins want to accomplish on offense. So
Speaker 1: I have follows for each of those guys, because you've
Speaker 1: kind of got my intrigue on all three of them there.
Speaker 1: And I want to go back to Dwan Jones because
Speaker 1: you kind of touched on what my original follow up
Speaker 1: was going to be on him with that idea that like,
Speaker 1: just by nature of existing on the football field, he
Speaker 1: makes it more difficult for pass rushers to get to
Speaker 1: your quarterback because he's larger, Like it makes sense, bigger space,
Speaker 1: Like you're occupying a bigger space, a bigger space. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, the potential sacrifice and athletic ability,
Speaker 1: which you know, I've we've heard that he does. You know,
Speaker 1: he can come off the ball and play that way
Speaker 1: in a certain sense. But you kind of have that
Speaker 1: sacrifice like, is that is the idea of protecting a
Speaker 1: potential blind side for two of who you know, only
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. You have to do that for
Speaker 1: your right tackle protecting the blind side? Does that sacrifice
Speaker 1: in the athleticism kind of? I guess intrigue coaches, because hey,
Speaker 1: we can pretty much set forgetting pass pro like you
Speaker 1: talk about with I don't know sixty percent of our
Speaker 1: playbook that we have these quick sets in. Well, I
Speaker 1: think his reach really mitigates some of your concerns. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you wish that he had a little bit more explosiveness
Speaker 1: and a little bit more foot fire to his game.
Speaker 1: But that length is insane. I mean, it's rare. Eighty
Speaker 1: seven in seven. I mean, what who else is even
Speaker 1: close to that. I've been scouting players for a long time.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that, And there's enough movement
Speaker 1: skills to compliment it for me to feel good about
Speaker 1: whatever variety of pass sets I want him to execute
Speaker 1: or whatever run concepts I want him to execute. In
Speaker 1: terms of working laterally, I think that his ability to
Speaker 1: get hands on opponents really eases any concern that I
Speaker 1: have about his movement skills. So you also mentioned Matthew
Speaker 1: bergeron which I think we talked last. Last time we
Speaker 1: talked to you had kind of brought his name us
Speaker 1: a guy that you were really intrigued by. It sounds
Speaker 1: like he's really proving himself throughout the process here. But
Speaker 1: you talked about his body control and it kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, piqued in my mind something that coach McDaniel
Speaker 1: refers to a lot about sort of relearning and retraining
Speaker 1: playing offensive line in this system compared to what other
Speaker 1: systems ask of offensive lineman or maybe it's more reactive
Speaker 1: and in this system you fire off the football and
Speaker 1: you know, just getting off the ball first is the
Speaker 1: most important thing with a guy like Burgeron or really
Speaker 1: any of these rookies who maybe don't have this the
Speaker 1: experience in this exact system. I'm not going to sit
Speaker 1: here and tell you, I know with Syracuse and what
Speaker 1: North Dakota State are running on a given week, But
Speaker 1: is how do you kind of view that learning curve
Speaker 1: for a rookie coming into this offensive system where they
Speaker 1: coach him up a certain way. It Is it doable?
Speaker 1: Is it tough? Like what do you think about that transition? Well,
Speaker 1: it's obviously tough for any player and whether it's what
Speaker 1: you're asked to do, but also who you're asked to
Speaker 1: do it against. Right, I mean, rolling your hips into
Speaker 1: contact and creating displacement in the run game in the
Speaker 1: ACC is a whole lot different than in the AFC, Right,
Speaker 1: So that's always going to be a challenge. But I
Speaker 1: think for a player like Bergeron and you just kind
Speaker 1: of leaning back into the talking point about just a
Speaker 1: body control, I think that's going to serve him very well,
Speaker 1: because I think he's plenty powerful to create that initial
Speaker 1: surge and create some movement. But how he can fight
Speaker 1: that pressure with pressure and absorb and still remain in
Speaker 1: control of a rep I think is going to serve
Speaker 1: him very very well when we're talking about him getting
Speaker 1: on the field and making an impact for whatever team
Speaker 1: actually drafts him. And then just real quick before our
Speaker 1: first break here on Cody Mock. You mentioned the movement skills,
Speaker 1: which obviously you know at peaks of a flag for
Speaker 1: Dolphins fans in terms of like how they play on
Speaker 1: this offensive line, But you talked about playing the interior
Speaker 1: position after kind of playing some tackle in college as well.
Speaker 1: Is he a guy that you think could kick out
Speaker 1: to the tackle position as a pro. I think he's
Speaker 1: get you out of a game type tackle. Where one
Speaker 1: thing I loved about him at the Senior Bowl is
Speaker 1: after being a college left tackle, he played all five spots.
Speaker 1: He even snapped. He played right tackle, center, both guard spots,
Speaker 1: and left tackle, And obviously versatility is huge. The more
Speaker 1: you can do obviously matters a lot in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But for a guy like Cody Mock, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna find his best success at left guard. But hey, look,
Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where your tackle goes down
Speaker 1: and you need to get out of a game, I
Speaker 1: think he can absolutely hold his own and do that
Speaker 1: for you. Well, either way, it sounds like Miami's gonna
Speaker 1: have a pretty good group of players to choose from
Speaker 1: at that spot should they choose to go in that direction.
Speaker 1: And of course, doing these positional previews for every group,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this as if the Dolphins
Speaker 1: we're going to make that move at that position at
Speaker 1: that spot, but I want to do it for every
Speaker 1: spot in the draft. And the next pick for the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins comes up in the third round, number eighty one.
Speaker 1: Before we get to that, let's go ahead and take
Speaker 1: our first break right here. I've got Joe Marino on
Speaker 1: the podcast here breaking down offensive lineman Drift Time Podcast,
Speaker 1: your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Autoonation. Back
Speaker 1: here on a draft preview edition of the Drivetime podcast,
Speaker 1: the Great Joe Marino here helping us break down this
Speaker 1: offensive line class and heading into the draft. I think
Speaker 1: Dolphins fans, or at least on social media, which I
Speaker 1: don't know, Joe, it's like six percent of the actual
Speaker 1: community or the country that actually is on Twitter. So
Speaker 1: who knows if it's accurate representation of what fans actually think,
Speaker 1: But based upon Twitter and social fans are are pretty
Speaker 1: excited about the potential of adding a new offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: And so if not at pick fifty one, then going
Speaker 1: back to pick where did I say eighty one? I
Speaker 1: think it's eighty four. I probably got that number wrong.
Speaker 1: But anyway, in the middle of the third round, looking
Speaker 1: at players that you like in that position group, you
Speaker 1: gave us three. You can give me one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: however many you think, Joe, some guys that you think
Speaker 1: might be there in the third round that would fit
Speaker 1: this Dolphins offensive line group. A guy I like a
Speaker 1: ton is Brandon Daniels out of Utah six five, three eleven.
Speaker 1: He's actually played a lot of tackle and guard at Utah,
Speaker 1: and so I think whatever path you want to take
Speaker 1: with him, it makes sense. Thirty three in Charms, I
Speaker 1: look at him more as a guard, but again can
Speaker 1: play some tackle. I think he has a better chance
Speaker 1: of being a good tackle than Cody Mock. But Brandon
Speaker 1: Daniels coming out of that Utah system, I think is
Speaker 1: really tailored well towards being able to translate to the
Speaker 1: next level where those offensive linemen do fire off the ball.
Speaker 1: Right there is that roll your hips into contact, create
Speaker 1: running lanes and really embracing running the foot ball. But
Speaker 1: how they build things off of that and a lot
Speaker 1: of misdirection and play action and using tight ends in
Speaker 1: the passing game, you know, I think that's very translatable
Speaker 1: to what's going to happen at the next level. And
Speaker 1: so I got, like Braydon Daniels, I think in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, there's things that I mentioned about Matthew
Speaker 1: burs Run I would apply here, maybe a little more
Speaker 1: athletic than Berserun in terms of being an interior player
Speaker 1: and having a lot of range. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: I think has really slept on that I think third
Speaker 1: fourth round could provide a team with an actual starter.
Speaker 1: So he's a guy that I like. Another player that
Speaker 1: I think is is really underdiscussed is Jordan McFadden out
Speaker 1: of Clemson, another college left tackle that I think in
Speaker 1: play tackle in the NFL. He certainly got requisite length
Speaker 1: to do so, but I think even as a guard
Speaker 1: he might even have a more bright future. Where I
Speaker 1: played a lot of football at Clemson. I thought he
Speaker 1: showed good year over year growth, pretty powerful. That's one
Speaker 1: thing that I like about him, to go with a
Speaker 1: good athletic profile. And so when you're thinking about that
Speaker 1: third round, that fourth round, guys that could be starters
Speaker 1: and maybe aren't discussed enough. Those are two guys that
Speaker 1: really pop for me when it comes to that conversation.
Speaker 1: That's the third round pick for the Miami Dolphins, number
Speaker 1: eighty one, A couple of guys that Joe likes in
Speaker 1: that position. And then you kind of get into the
Speaker 1: area of the draft where you start thinking about, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not very often teams pluck a player on
Speaker 1: Day three and put them in the starting lineup and
Speaker 1: and it works right away. You typically have to kind
Speaker 1: of bring those guys along, and it's especially at a
Speaker 1: position group where it's just hard to find starters. Man Like,
Speaker 1: the entire league goes through this. So if you had
Speaker 1: to kind of look into that third round, which again
Speaker 1: this is why the old line is so unique, right
Speaker 1: because if I take a linebacker and he's not ready
Speaker 1: to play on defense, I can put him on special
Speaker 1: teams and get some snaps out of him. But offensive line.
Speaker 1: I mean you can you can do field goal block
Speaker 1: or field goal team. That's about it, but there's not
Speaker 1: much room for you know, supplementary snaps there. But looking
Speaker 1: at day three kind of what's your approach to evaluating
Speaker 1: offensive lineman as far as guys that you think could
Speaker 1: potentially one day you know, have an packed on team,
Speaker 1: and who are some guys that you'd like to potentially
Speaker 1: do that in this year's class. Yeah, when I'm thinking
Speaker 1: day three offensive lineman, I understand that I'm getting a
Speaker 1: guy that's more project that there's some flaws with them,
Speaker 1: but you want enough traits that make you believe they
Speaker 1: have starter appeal to invest in them. And so I'm
Speaker 1: looking for foot quickness, I'm looking for a length, looking
Speaker 1: for power, looking for something that I can cling to
Speaker 1: and realize that I have this and I can really
Speaker 1: focus in on building up the other components of their game.
Speaker 1: A guy that I like a lot as Carter Warren
Speaker 1: out of pit six five three eleven thirty five and
Speaker 1: three eighth inch arms. I think he's very good with
Speaker 1: his footwork and his handwork in terms of being able
Speaker 1: to frame, use his length, use his punch to get
Speaker 1: his hands on and really keep defenders at the edge
Speaker 1: of his reach. Had a really good career at Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: had had an injury there that I think kind of
Speaker 1: took him off the radar, but he should be ready
Speaker 1: to go. And a player that I like, I've seem
Speaker 1: Richards out of North Carolina really my eye at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and then went back to the tape with
Speaker 1: him and really enjoyed what I saw. I think a
Speaker 1: player that can play guard or tackle, good good just
Speaker 1: tenacity the way that he plays the game. He's certainly
Speaker 1: a player that you feel comfortable with his ability to
Speaker 1: create some displacement in the run game, provide multi position ability,
Speaker 1: and actually has some good length to go with him
Speaker 1: over thirty four inch arms as well. There. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think there's some really intriguing players to
Speaker 1: consider later on. It's just a matter of making sure
Speaker 1: you develop them, making sure that you have a plan
Speaker 1: and really try to maximize what they do well while
Speaker 1: building up those other components of their game. So, Joe,
Speaker 1: the theme of this entire interview you've kind of taken
Speaker 1: here brings me to a question that's going off script
Speaker 1: a little bit because and I'm curious if this is
Speaker 1: like a chicken before the egg situation where the NFL
Speaker 1: or the pro game. In the NFL, you do have
Speaker 1: to have, you know, between having seven guys dress for
Speaker 1: a game to maybe eight on some teams. On the
Speaker 1: offensive line, you obviously have to have guys that can
Speaker 1: play in multiple spots, and we see it across the
Speaker 1: entire league. But I feel like every guy you gave
Speaker 1: me at all three stages here you mentioned position flexibility,
Speaker 1: guys that played one spot in college or multiple spots
Speaker 1: in college but project to play even more as a pro,
Speaker 1: or you know, move around as a pro. And it
Speaker 1: has me thinking about our offensive line here in Miami
Speaker 1: because I'm wondering, like if you get to a certain
Speaker 1: pick in the draft and it's like, well, we love
Speaker 1: this guard, but we have guards. You know, we have
Speaker 1: Robert Hunt, who we think is a potentially pro Bowl
Speaker 1: level right guard. But what if we draft this guy
Speaker 1: and boot Rob out to right tackle where he's played
Speaker 1: and played well in the past. I'm curious from a
Speaker 1: team building perspective, this is not like Dolphins, you know,
Speaker 1: centric because we don't know what they think in the
Speaker 1: draft room. But I'm curious would teams consider, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy like Rob Hunt, a guy like Connor Williams
Speaker 1: who was a guard his whole career and then turned
Speaker 1: in one of his best years as a pro last
Speaker 1: year at center. Would you consider moving someone who was
Speaker 1: successful at the spot you had them at to potentially
Speaker 1: improve two spots? Does that a concern that teams maybe
Speaker 1: have if I move this guy maybe a week in
Speaker 1: bowl spots? Like, how does that conversation go? Do you think? Well?
Speaker 1: I think it starts with trying to get your five
Speaker 1: best players on the field. Right, That's one thing that
Speaker 1: you absolutely have to do. But one thing that I'm
Speaker 1: pretty cautious about when it comes to that type of
Speaker 1: conversation is I don't want to take a great player
Speaker 1: at one position and make them a good player at
Speaker 1: another position. Right. You want everyone to have a chance
Speaker 1: to be their best version of themselves, being their most
Speaker 1: natural spot. That way they can help your team the most.
Speaker 1: And so if you think player X is your best
Speaker 1: fit at right guard and that's going to be the
Speaker 1: best path for that player, I think you can do
Speaker 1: them a disservice by moving them around so much. And
Speaker 1: I saw this with Cody Ford out of Oklahoma with
Speaker 1: the Bills, where you know, play garden tackle in college.
Speaker 1: I think he was always better suited to play guard
Speaker 1: in the NFL the Bills playing them at tackle kind
Speaker 1: of rotated a little bit as a rookie. Then he
Speaker 1: moves to guard, moves back to tackle, and there's so
Speaker 1: much nuance that go into each individual spot, and there's
Speaker 1: so much muscle memory that goes into each individual spot
Speaker 1: that while the versatility is great when you're talking about starters,
Speaker 1: to me, if he's your right guard, he's your right guard.
Speaker 1: If he's your right tackle, he's your right tackle. And
Speaker 1: so I think you have to marry all of those
Speaker 1: ideologies together in terms of getting your best five on
Speaker 1: the field, but also getting the best five players in
Speaker 1: the best possible spots for them to be successful, which
Speaker 1: not only helps them as individuals, but in turn helps
Speaker 1: your football team. I think it's a fascinating question and
Speaker 1: a fascinating answer. I'm sure most teams have that conversation
Speaker 1: at some point, especially in this position group. So really
Speaker 1: good stuff there. I appreciate that Joe and Cody four
Speaker 1: is a guy that I was so sure was going
Speaker 1: to be a great player at this level and We'll
Speaker 1: see if you know, a greener pastors provides that for him,
Speaker 1: but I guess maybe a good for Dolphins fans and
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him in Buffalo there, but
Speaker 1: he was a guy that I was pretty high on
Speaker 1: going in into his pro career. I have one more
Speaker 1: question for you, Joe. I'm gonna go to my last
Speaker 1: break here and come back on the other side. It's
Speaker 1: not offensive line, it's not draft centric, it's Dolphins and
Speaker 1: Bills related. That's next Drivetime podcast, your host, Travis Wingfield,
Speaker 1: my guests today, Joe Marino, brought to you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 1: So I teased it on the other side of the
Speaker 1: break here talking about Dolphins and Bills, which you know, Joe,
Speaker 1: the Jets and Aaron Rodgers. We'll see when it actually happens,
Speaker 1: it's going to be, you know, a big upgrade from
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. But I still contend that this
Speaker 1: division is one two Dolphins and Bills, and however, whatever
Speaker 1: or do you want to put that in. And I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of curious to get your perspective as a
Speaker 1: fan of the Bills, who you know, for a long time,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins just weren't competitive against Buffalo and so many
Speaker 1: of those games, and then last year they get a
Speaker 1: victory down here in South Florida and play the Bills
Speaker 1: tight both up in Buffalo in the regular season and
Speaker 1: in the postseason, and to me kind of like reinvigorated
Speaker 1: the rivalry in a big way. Three really fun games
Speaker 1: to watch. So I'm curious, as you know, someone that
Speaker 1: is really anticipate in the chase of the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: at the top of the AFC East this year, how
Speaker 1: does the Bills fan view the Dolphins and what they've
Speaker 1: done the last couple of years and especially this year
Speaker 1: heading in the twenty twenty three Well, I don't think
Speaker 1: you can look at it any other way than acknowledge
Speaker 1: that based on the games that were played last year,
Speaker 1: and like you mentioned, we got three of them, they
Speaker 1: were far more competitive than anything that we saw on
Speaker 1: the previous several seasons. And so with that in mind,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that the gap has
Speaker 1: absolutely closed now. The Bills won the division by I
Speaker 1: think four games, still, right, And so there's that piece
Speaker 1: of it as well. And I certainly look at Miami
Speaker 1: as the biggest threat to the Bills in their quest
Speaker 1: for a fourth consecutive AFC East title. But I think
Speaker 1: if this Dolphins team can be healthy, that's going to
Speaker 1: be huge. And I think last year, I mean, if
Speaker 1: they didn't have so many injuries in the secondary and
Speaker 1: even at times the offensive line of course to a
Speaker 1: missing time as well, I mean, maybe that's not a
Speaker 1: four game win in the division, right. I think that
Speaker 1: that changes things, And so I think the big thing
Speaker 1: for Miami is staying healthy. You certainly look at this
Speaker 1: team from a town perspective and realize that it's one
Speaker 1: of the better rosters in the NFL in terms of
Speaker 1: just overall talent. You have to love the coaching edition
Speaker 1: of Vic Fangio to run the defense, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he's clearly one of the best in the game at
Speaker 1: that and certainly has a lot of exciting talent to
Speaker 1: work with, whether it's on that front right with the
Speaker 1: D line and the D tackles, and you know, obviously
Speaker 1: David Long to go at Jerome Baker on the second level,
Speaker 1: the corner tandem of Ramsey and Howard is really special,
Speaker 1: with of course cater Kuo who's emerged in the slot
Speaker 1: as a nice player. And you know, obviously I think
Speaker 1: the world of Javon Holland at safety, and you know
Speaker 1: Brandon Jones working back from injury. Side to see him back,
Speaker 1: and I think that that that being handed over to
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio, He's got to be really excited for what
Speaker 1: he can get done, especially with those young defensive lineman
Speaker 1: who you know, just I think very highly of Zach
Speaker 1: Seeler and Christian Wilcoms and Jalen Phillips and Brad Chubb
Speaker 1: and of course Immanuel Agba coming back off injury. It's
Speaker 1: just seems like they're so deep and so off Mike
Speaker 1: McDaniel what he was able to show last year, and
Speaker 1: those receivers. Nobody wants to play against Waddle and Hill.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a nightmare. And so you know,
Speaker 1: you look at that, you feel like this offensive line
Speaker 1: can take some strides to a year or two with
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, there's some evolution there, I'm sure, And so
Speaker 1: you feel like things are absolutely on the up for
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. And now it's about meeting expectations right.
Speaker 1: And the Dolphins are at that point now where people
Speaker 1: expect things of them right, and so they're not sneaking
Speaker 1: up on anybody. Everybody knows what they have in terms
Speaker 1: of talent and where this team can go, and so
Speaker 1: big year for them, obviously with this window that that's
Speaker 1: been created very quickly, and certainly a lot of urgency
Speaker 1: to maximize this opportunity with all this talent that they
Speaker 1: have assembled. I think staying healthy is going to be
Speaker 1: the name of the game for the Dolphins there in
Speaker 1: this coming season. And you know, we'll play it out
Speaker 1: and see what happens. But the gap was absolutely closed
Speaker 1: last year. I think the Dolphins have continued to make
Speaker 1: strides this offseason and now we'll go play the games
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Keep going, Joe, keep bringing that price.
Speaker 1: We want to hear more about it. And if you
Speaker 1: need to chase her, if you need to go, take
Speaker 1: a shot of scope to wash your mouth after all
Speaker 1: that Dolphins praise, I wouldn't blame in my friend, Listen,
Speaker 1: I I I love the competition, you know. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we get caught up in these rivalries and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like just bad blood between it and
Speaker 1: I get it right, everybody wants the same thing and
Speaker 1: only one team gets to get it. But I love
Speaker 1: the competition. I really do and and I've appreciated watching
Speaker 1: both teams build themselves up with some mindfulness towards each other,
Speaker 1: you know, and seeing what that looks like. And so
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not personal, not to me. I
Speaker 1: don't play for the Bills, so I certainly want them
Speaker 1: to win and take care of their business. But I
Speaker 1: certainly can respect and appreciate the competition and what everyone's
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. And I think the Dolphins have really
Speaker 1: went about this in a unique way. Nobody can deny
Speaker 1: the talent on this roster, and uh, it's it's fun
Speaker 1: to watch, and um, you know, maybe maybe if it's
Speaker 1: if it goes a certain way, I might I might
Speaker 1: have a different tone for you at the end of
Speaker 1: next year. But I could certainly come into this conversation
Speaker 1: with a lot of respect for what they're trying to
Speaker 1: build and what I think they can accomplish this year
Speaker 1: obviously a big opportunity building off of a playoff appearance
Speaker 1: in Mike McDaniel's first season, with some really different difficult
Speaker 1: adversity that they had to face along the way. That's
Speaker 1: why we love having you as a guest, Joe. We
Speaker 1: just appreciate that you know, there's there's no animossia there
Speaker 1: and you can definitely tell. And the respect level it's mutual.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I go through my preview podcast for
Speaker 1: the two games every year, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times I've mentioned how impressed I am by the fact
Speaker 1: that they got Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyden, Tredevious White all
Speaker 1: in the same offseason and just built that secondary pretty
Speaker 1: much from scratch and turn it into one of the
Speaker 1: best in the NFL. And I think, you know, fellow
Speaker 1: nineties kid here on the podcast Dolphins and Bills, man,
Speaker 1: like you talk about building up to this point, like
Speaker 1: for a long time it was one team in this
Speaker 1: division and one team only. So I was seeing these
Speaker 1: two teams, you know, reignite that nineties rivalry you talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, Christian Wilkins and Josh Allen's banter back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's fun to me. I love that stuff. So looking
Speaker 1: forward to it. Man, get the schedule here in about
Speaker 1: a month. We'll see when those two games are. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we can see you down here. Maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: if you and Crabs are gonna come down for a
Speaker 1: Dolphins and Bills game one of these days. We'd love
Speaker 1: to see you guys down here. Man, Hey, I enjoyed
Speaker 1: I went to the Ravens. Was it a Thursday night game?
Speaker 1: A few told me about it. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: great time. I enjoyed my hard rock stadium experience. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would like it as much if
Speaker 1: the Bills were playing. I like it. I like to
Speaker 1: go to South Florida when the Dolphins are playing somebody else,
Speaker 1: you know, so exactly right, and the night games too,
Speaker 1: like we do night games definitely, Man, South Florida at night?
Speaker 1: Is it just a different beast? So? Hey s thinking, Travis,
Speaker 1: what do you say when the Bills play in Miami
Speaker 1: next year with that's a night game? I think that'd
Speaker 1: be a great, a great opportunity as opposed to maybe
Speaker 1: that one o'clock time, I say you would say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think let's make that prime time. You know, even
Speaker 1: if it's in September, we'll play that thing at eight
Speaker 1: thirty pm. Hey, give me the give me the trip
Speaker 1: to Orchard Park in September Octeller, we'll call it, we'll
Speaker 1: call it to wash and the will just be good.
Speaker 1: There's that sound good? All good? Guy? Joe Marino Locked
Speaker 1: On NFL Scouting and Locked on Bills. You can find
Speaker 1: him at Twitter at the Joe Marino Joe, what do
Speaker 1: you work on? Man? What can I help you promote here? Oh?
Speaker 1: You got it man. The two podcasts, that's what we do.
Speaker 1: Lockdown Bills, Lockdown NFL Scouting with Kyle Crabs, who I
Speaker 1: know is is the name many know amongst the Dolphins
Speaker 1: fans there. So we talk team building and get into
Speaker 1: a lot of these topics all the time, so appreciate
Speaker 1: the opportunity to share that. Yeah. I told Kyle he's
Speaker 1: coming on the podcast the week of the draft to
Speaker 1: be the closer for our draft previews, and he likes
Speaker 1: the idea quite a lot. It's the tradition we do
Speaker 1: here every year on draft time, like we have Joe
Speaker 1: every year. So Joe, thank you so much, my man.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you probably in September whenever did the
Speaker 1: Dolphins bill's first play for that game previous sound good? Man?
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good, Travis, Thanks for having me, and
Speaker 1: away he goes. Always a fun interview with Joe. We
Speaker 1: talk about Dolphins and Bills every single year. We talk
Speaker 1: about the offensive line every year in the draft, as well,
Speaker 1: and looking forward to those podcasts come September October. Whenever
Speaker 1: those couple of Dolphins and Bills games occur, I tend
Speaker 1: to think they'll be later in the year. I think
Speaker 1: they've been early every single season so last couple of
Speaker 1: years here, I think the NFL might push those back
Speaker 1: a little bit just to get some primetime pop Dolphins
Speaker 1: and Bills. You heard Joe asking for the night game
Speaker 1: down here in South Florida. I'll take the same thing
Speaker 1: as well up there in Buffalo. If it's early in
Speaker 1: the year, it let's play some primetime games against this
Speaker 1: team and compete for a division title hopefully. So there
Speaker 1: you go. Good stuff with Joe. We're gonna come back
Speaker 1: on Friday. I'm looking at my schedule here. I believe
Speaker 1: it's Damien Parson to talk about linebacker. So keep it
Speaker 1: locked right here and we'll keep doing positional previews for
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks here on the podcast, as
Speaker 1: well as includes some other stuff for you guys as well.
Speaker 1: I know not everyone is all draft all the time,
Speaker 1: but it is April, so you have to kind of
Speaker 1: hang with us Noah on the draft prospects. So let's
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