1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: This is live cover each about one Steelers Minicamp by 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: from Heinz Field on your seven home for the Steelers 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: s n R Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back on Dale 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Ally here with Matt Williamson. It's a lovely Uh, it's 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: a Wednesday here. We just wrapped up the second day 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: of Steelers practice here at Hines Field. One of the 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: coaches who spoke this morning was Terrell Edmonds the Steelers. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Tarrell Austin's how many Tarrell's yeah, Tarrell, Yeah, Safety Tarrell Austin. Uh. 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: He of course coaches the secondary here in his position 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: is one that has they lost two guys and yes, 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: all right, people talk about that one of the defense 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: on the offensive changes. Yeah. So he was asked about 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: that today. Let's hear what Tarall Austin had to say. 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Good bloody, we have Tarrell here. Just a reminder, uh, 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: use the razor hand function and we will call on it. 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: We'll start with Dale Ali. Hey, Teryl, just wondering, um, 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: you have a lot of moving parts in your secondary 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: right now, uh, including one that uh, are you settled 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: in on Cam Sutton as you're as you're starting slot 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: corner or can somebody else take that saying Antoine Brooks 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: or or Molette or one of these other guys, uh, 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: and keeps Cam money outside? How you how do you 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: kind of measuring all that right now? The way I'm 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: looking at it is, I know, uh, I know Cam 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: can play inside, and so right now he is are 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: working outside, and we're letting these other guys kind of 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: work inside to see what we have. And I think 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: that's the proper way to do it, to make sure 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: we evaluate them, give them many opportunities to learn and 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: see where they can go inside. And and so that's 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: that's how I'm looking at it currently. And if something, uh, 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: if we don't feel real comfortable with what we have, 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: then we would, you know, obviously address changes at that time. 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: But I know for a fact that Kim would not 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: need a lot of reps if he had to to 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: move inside and help us. But that's where we are 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: with that. Jerry do Lack, I tell you somewhat answered 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: my question to a degree. Are you comfortable with the 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: depth that you have at corner and do you feel 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: you need to go out maybe and get some some 41 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: veteran depth or was that to be determined? Well, I 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: think that's always you know, determined by by Mike and Kevin. 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: I like our young guys. Um, you know, I know, 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: I like James Pierre, I like Jay Lane. I think 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, we have some young guys that we that 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: are here as uh, you know, a couple of free 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: agent guys we brought in, and I'd like to see 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: them compete and go. I think ability wise that James 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: and Jay Lane I know for sure have ability to 50 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: play in this level, uh, in this league and be 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: ual of the players. It just depends on how fast 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: and how how far they progress here in the next 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: couple of basically the next four or five weeks, you know, 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: you have this offseason and when we get back to camp. 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: But I'm comfortable there. But I'm also I'm also aware 56 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: that if we have a way to better our team 57 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: and it happens to be an outside guy and it 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: helps helps better our team, and I'm more than happy 59 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: to have him as well. Jim Colony, Yeah, Terrell, obviously 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: there's no hitting here. But in terms of getting a 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: getting a beat on your defensive back, specifically corners as 62 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: to whether or not they can cover, um, is that 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: something you can actually get a pretty good, pretty good 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: idea of in a mini camp. Yes, I think you can. 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: I think the coverage aspect, and we've been you know, 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: going through O t s, we've been able to get 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: some seven on seven stuff. So you have an idea 68 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: about their movement skills, about their ability to play the 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: ball in the air, about their understanding of coverage and 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: route recognition. So you can get all of those things, um, 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: without the tackling right now, and then um as we 72 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: move into camp and once you get the full team stuff, Nope, 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: we are back. Oh we're back. We're having some kind 74 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: of issue. I don't know what the deal is with 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: that stuff, but I was into that too, and all 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: of a sudden boom, he was gone. Yeah, but he 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of good stuff to say. I as 78 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: you heard, I asked him about, you know, the the 79 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 1: changing moving parts there and in the secondary Uh, people 80 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: ask them to you know, you guys thinking about a veteran. 81 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: You're excited about the young guys and yeah, I mean 82 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: basically the answers you would expect. It's not like but 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: we don't like any of these guys were on the 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: market for a guy, you know well, and what he 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: talked about there was okay, So kim uh Sutton has 86 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: been working outside right throughout the whole process here thus 87 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: thus far that we're not giving away any secrets here, 88 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: Arl Austin, just get the reason for that makes a 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: ton of sense. You know, he can move in side. 90 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: You know, he can play inside. That's what he's done 91 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: in the last four years. I think the way the 92 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: coach Austin just mentioned it was he hasn't he men 93 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: who reps to move inside? No, he can. You know 94 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: he can do that. That's that's a that's a set thing. 95 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: So but you've got to find out who your backup 96 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: is there, who the guy is. Maybe somebody emerges like 97 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Mike Hilton did four years ago. That's what they're looking for. 98 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: That's what they're looking for. And then you're able to 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: keep camp something on the outside and that makes everybody better. 100 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: The other The fallback plan, however, is okay, you can 101 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: do it. You gotta bump something inside. He's not he's 102 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: your best slot corner option. Okay, if Justin Lane is 103 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: too good to keep up Justin Lane and James Pierre, Okay, 104 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: do you know what the You know, we've got two 105 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: young guys here that we like as well. But they're 106 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: trying to find that's that another slot guy. Yeah yeah, 107 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: and that makes perfect sense. And I don't know how 108 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: important it is to their defense, and they would never 109 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: come out and tell us, but they seem very comfortable 110 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: with a left corner, a right corner, and a slot corner. 111 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, we don't want our right corner going to 112 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: the slot. You know, we want these guys we very 113 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: comfortable playing mostly outside the numbers on their side, like 114 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: a left tackle and the right tackle. Get used to 115 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: using that sideline as a boundary, as a helper. You know, 116 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: you'll know who you're playing against. You're not lining up 117 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: against slot receivers or big tight ends as much. And whatnot. 118 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: One thing I didn't know. Just this last week or so, 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: I've been really digging into personnel groupings around the league. 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: You know, who's using nickel the most, I'm the most, etcetera, etcetera. 121 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: The Steelers and Ravens. And the Ravens aren't surprising, not 122 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: that they use dime so much, but the Steelers had 123 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: four corners on the field, I think tied with Baltimore 124 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: for most in the league. You know, four guys at once. 125 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: I think that has to change. You know. I mean, 126 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: I think that's just because we like Hilton, we like Sutton, 127 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: we have our two outside guys. But some teams don't 128 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: do that ever, you know. So they clearly show a 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: willingness and a propensity last year to have four corners 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: the field the same amount of time or at the 131 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: same time, more than a team in the league. So 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: if they're gonna do that, maybe Lane and Hayden or 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: you're outside guys and Sutton and a name to be 134 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: named later, is that or maybe they want to play 135 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: less of that and they just did it because that's 136 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: the you know, the best grouping. Yeah, the pains weren't red, 137 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, because the red paint. So I think that's interesting. 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the way it lines up right now, if 139 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: they put six corners on the field, there's a better 140 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: player on the sideline and it's on the field unless 141 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: somebody emerges out of nowhere. You know. Well, and you 142 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: know the league has trended towards these hybrid players, right right, 143 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: you know you want that. It's hard to say what 144 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: some of these guys. Yeah, you're you got a safety, 145 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: who's a corner? I mean Helton was a safety. Ex 146 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: foret that a safety, you know, and you know, I've 147 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: been asked, you know, how about some of these guys. 148 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: Can they run well enough for slock Quorn? Like my 149 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: Kelton was fast, Mike Hilton didn't. Wasn't a great coverage guy. 150 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: Know what Mike Hilton had was good ball skills, toughness, 151 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: toughness and just an ad ability to blitz um. And 152 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: I think they probably value that out of their slot 153 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: guys more than maybe some teams do. Or again it's 154 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: maybe just that's their best option. They couldn't keep him 155 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: off the field, so have him do what he does well, 156 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to you're not gonna drop him. 157 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna haven't played man coverage against Westwelker and Woman 158 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: time and time again with no help whatsoever. And slot 159 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: guys do get a lot of help, always always going 160 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: to be somebody in the middle of the field, bushes 161 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: closely to your side, and you can use those guys 162 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: like boundary corners use, you know, use the sidelines. So 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting how that secondary shapes out. But you know, 164 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: just talking about personnel groupings, the Steeler with the Patriots 165 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: were way higher than everybody else in this category with 166 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: seven defensive backs on the field. The Steelers were second 167 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: or third in the league in percentage of you actually 168 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: use and seven defensive backs on the field. And I 169 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: dug into that more because I'm closer to this team 170 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: than the other thirty one. I think some of that 171 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: is where I got these numbers from. Might accounted Marcus 172 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Allen as a dB, which he's probably more a linebacker 173 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: because it's he's play. He doesn't even work out with 174 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: the DPS and now he's with the linebacker. But he 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: might be on you know it listed as a strong 176 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: safety on some death charter around the league, you know, 177 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: and he played like two snaps last year. So it's 178 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: weird because you see him out there and he's wearing right. 179 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I could see anyone thinking he's you're just 180 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: on the fly by. They get a safety on the field, 181 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: and may if you go to our lad's death chart, 182 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: he's the safety. I don't know. But so but they 183 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: do play a lot of small, fast personnel more than 184 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: people realize. I think. So a lot of these ebs 185 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: are gonna play no matter what. I mean, as this 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: case with every team, but this team more than others, 187 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: and as we're based off last year's numbers. One interesting 188 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: guy that Austin talked about there was Antoine Brooks. Yeah, 189 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: and we we think is coming up these last year. 190 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: We talked about him with Bob a little bit. He's 191 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: sixth round pick last year. Uh. If you look at 192 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: the combine numbers, uh, four six, four forty at the combine. 193 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: Now he did that at five eleven pounds. I wonder 194 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: what he weighs Now he looks lighter, and that would 195 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. Yeah, I mean I don't 196 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: think he's and in the box from mall Adam's safety. 197 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think he needs to be too 198 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: ten plus. Yeah, his twenty yards split was two point seven. 199 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: His ten yards split was one point six. But he 200 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: did eighteen reps on the bench. Yeah remember that. Um, 201 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: he played pretty well with the other guy. He played 202 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: a lot of slot at Maryland. Yeah, had some you know, 203 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: showed some ability to blitz. He had he had I 204 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: think three and a half sacks. Uh. And we've seen 205 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: him and again we're not giving anything away here because 206 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: Tarrell Austin talked about it. We've seen him a lot 207 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: in the slot during this offseason. We saw him there 208 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: a little bit last year when they played Cincinnati, he 209 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: he lined up in the slot. Um, he gives you 210 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: that that size in Austin. I thought this is really interesting. 211 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: Later in that conversation said, your nickel corner has to 212 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: be part cornerback, part linebacker. They do. It's a really 213 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: physical position. You know. When we talked to Joe Hayden 214 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: earlier today and he was asking, did you ever play 215 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: in the slot, he goes a little bit during my rookie, 216 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: you know, early in my career. He says, I wouldn't 217 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: want to play it anymore. It beat you up. Yeah. 218 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're playing Tennessee, you're tackling Derrick Henry 219 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: a lot as a slot corner, or a guard's pulling 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: around that you gotta take. Somebody said, somebody bigger than 221 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: you was hitting you a lot, a lot, a lot, 222 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: and even just piles. You know, you're in a lot 223 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: of piles. You're not just the last guy up to 224 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: the pile. I mean you're getting pushed around a lot. 225 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: You know. I always talking about those outside corners. Okay, 226 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: someone completes an outroute on you, you push them out 227 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: of bounds. You can come a little you know a 228 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: little nudge to move them out of back where the 229 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: running back comes around the corner on you and you 230 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: just kinda you go low on him and at him 231 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: on the ground. Yeah, or you know, you just keep 232 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: outside contained to push him into a line bus, you know, 233 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: just you know, it's easy, I contain, to get him 234 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: out of bounds, let the background out of back. In 235 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: the same true for slot receivers. I mean the welkers 236 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: an edelment in the world. They get tackled by pounders 237 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: and you know, but the prities of the world smashing them. 238 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean that that's a very physical position. And with 239 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: all respect to Mike Hilton who obviously made it work, 240 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: and it's got paid very nicely by the Bengals, and 241 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: it's a good signing by them. You don't want someone 242 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: that small there, you know what I mean. I would 243 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: much rather have someone with Brooks's dimensions who probably runs 244 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: just as well. Yeah, I mean, maybe better if they're 245 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: just having a flat out race. I mean, now, they 246 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: don't run forty yards in a straight line ever, either. 247 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: It's all about change of direction of um and quite frankly, 248 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: ability to get guys on the ground. Yeah, you want 249 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: your you want your your nickel to be a sure 250 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: tackler because he's gonna have to and especially with this 251 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: defense that is a heavy blitz position, especially on early 252 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: downs when people aren't expecting it. Um, So that would 253 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: make some sense. I mean that may even be an upgrade. Again, 254 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: no respect to disrespect to Hilton, but a bigger body 255 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: there might help you against the Browns and the race. Well, 256 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: and there were times in the past where the Steelers 257 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: would would they would use Hilton and Sutton interestably because 258 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: yeah they're both playing they're both playing a slot cornerback, 259 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: but they're doing different things there. You're playing a team. Okay, 260 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: this guy's a bigger a bigger receiving threat. Sutton's a 261 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: better coverage. Yeah, he's the better coverage and you would 262 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: never have bumped Mike. Hilton would killed on an island 263 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: right without question, eve with help outside. Dam mean that 264 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: he could only do one spot for you. So, I 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: mean that's where it comes down to. Was probably much 266 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: easier decision than many many of us lead on should 267 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: we invest in Hilton or Sutton? Well, it was never 268 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: a question, yeah, and we often I like Mike Hilton, 269 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: the great guy, you know, loved covering him over the 270 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: last four years. Great story. I mean, self made guys 271 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: easy to root for. He's he was a really good stealer, 272 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: but Sutton's way more valuable. Absolutely. Yeah, it's not even 273 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: not even a discussion. But boy, they've been clear they 274 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: think Sutton is the starting outside corner all day long. 275 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they're they're telling you exactly what 276 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: they think of them, and it's pretty high praise. Yeah. 277 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: So you know they're looking at different guys. They're looking, 278 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: let's been in there. Um, you know he's uh and 279 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: he's a safety by trade. Really yeah, those lines are blurrre. Yeah. 280 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean we've had some Malcolm Jenkins type guys that 281 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: we're safeties, but they come into the box a lot 282 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: and you know, so don't look into it too much. 283 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: That boy they got a safety play in the corner. 284 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna be slow, they're gonna get picked on. But 285 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't matter if it's Hilton or if 286 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: it's Brooks or frankly, if it's Sutton. Teams are exploiting that. 287 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Now you'll see Tyree Hill moved to the slot and 288 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: run go routes. You know, like you better make a 289 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: better where you know, you're you're your free safety is 290 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: so important. But they're gonna try to manipulate him with 291 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: Kelsey to try to get him bite on another route. 292 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: You know, you know, I think you're gonna see the 293 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: Steelers do some of that this year. You know, they're 294 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: talking about moving guys around, and you know, we spoke 295 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: to Ike Hillier today and I said, how important is 296 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: it is? Is it for you guys this year that 297 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: you know you're able to get Claypool into the slot? Right? 298 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: That's that sounds like a priority a little bit. If 299 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: you get if you get Mike Hilton lined up on 300 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Chase Claypool, I'm sorry, that's a win for the offense. 301 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: You're going there with the football? Yeah, all right, and 302 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: they might see that twice a year go forward, right, 303 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: you know? And Juju is very good out of the slot. 304 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: He's best out of the slot. He has come out 305 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: and said I want to play outside more, which would 306 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: be very good for his career and his bank account 307 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: and all those things. But he is capable. It's not 308 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: like he can only play the slot right now. He's 309 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: he's not you know, he's not a West Welker who 310 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: has had to play the he's play a lot of snaps, 311 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: and when they're the only two receivers, pound receiver typically 312 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: has to play in the slot. Right. The thing that's 313 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: changed now over the last few years is that the 314 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: teams are putting those bigger guys in the slot. You're 315 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: you're seeing Julio Jones in the slot. You're seeing even 316 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: in E. J. Green when he was before he was done. 317 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: They were lining them up in the slot and he's 318 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: not physical, and they're doing it for a reason to 319 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: get those matchups. If you get him on the Hiltons 320 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: of the world, well, this team's got two big cornerbacks, 321 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: but there's less five nine. Hey, we want to get 322 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: this guy into slot so we can get that hype matchup. 323 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so you would hope not the Hilton couldn't 324 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: do it, that a Brooks or somebody with those dimensions 325 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: could bang those guys around a little bit more. You know, 326 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: on on these routes that are supposed to be quick 327 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: hitting routes, if you can hold them up at the 328 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage for a beat longer, get your hands 329 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: on them in the first couple of yards, maybe you 330 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: throw off the timing patterns on those you know, two 331 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: way go routes and things like that, so it'll be interesting. 332 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: But I do think little, I mean little players at 333 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: any position are hard to coach around. Yeah. Size matters, Yeah, 334 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you can have the you know, the 335 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: smaller outside the number receiver that can fly okay, and 336 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: you can live with those guys because they're so threatening 337 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: with their speed. But at other positions, if you're little, 338 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna get picked on. It's a big 339 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: you're not your special traits. Yeah, but we're gonna take 340 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: another break. Here. He is Matt Williamson, I'm Dale Lally. 341 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive. 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This is live 352 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: coverage about one Steelers mini camp live from hines Field 353 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: on your seven home for the Steelers, s n R 354 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We are back. I'm Dale Ally here 355 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson. We're live at Steelers training camp or 356 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: training camp. I wish in it camp here at hin. Uh. 357 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: We're just talking here about the slot cornerback positions or 358 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: slot whatever you want to call him. Yeah, slot about 359 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: that nickelback. It's funny because defense is so hard to pigeonhole. Now, 360 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: what's the three four of us? With four three? You know, 361 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about defensive We're talking about Marcus Allen and 362 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: some people might look at the safety, but he's really 363 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: a linebacker. Doesn't matter what numbers on his back, you know, 364 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean some of these nickels are big safeties, and 365 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it's kind of ambiguous right now. 366 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: It is. Uh. Doug Ferrar on Touchdown Wire. Uh just 367 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: put out his rankings today of the NFL's top eleven 368 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: slot defenders. That's the way to play that definition because 369 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: I know some of these names, but he kind of 370 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: cheated a little bit here. That's as you mentioned off 371 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: the air, because I think there's a difference between slot 372 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: defenders and nickel corners. Yes, because some of these guys, 373 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: when you're in quote base with two corners on the field, 374 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: they're out there every snap. You know, they're not a Hilton. 375 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: Let's see, this is the thing like it kicks. The 376 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: number eleven on here is Marlon Humphrey. We see him 377 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: a couple of times a year. Marlin Humphreys the best 378 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: cornerback on the ball on the Ravens roster. Yes, but 379 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: when they go to three cornerbacks on the field, he 380 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: slides into the slot and they bring somebody else on 381 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: the field. So what they're the Steelers could be asking 382 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: if Cam Sutton this year is not outside the norm. No, 383 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: that's a good point. I mean Sutton could do Humphrey things. Yeah, 384 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: I mean Humphrey can will follow number one receivers to 385 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: the slot or out at times. Um part of it, though, 386 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: is what's to say he's young, got hurt, he's been 387 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: they gave him money and then he's gotten banged up 388 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: to the last two years because he's undersized. Because he's 389 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: undersized too. Yeah, it's hard to count on those guys, 390 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: but like Peter's, Jimmy Smith, Humphrey, they almost have one 391 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: too many outside guys. So somebody had to move in 392 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: and it's Humphrey, and it Humprey his credit, but that's 393 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: a I mean he's better outside. And the thing is 394 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: when I think of nickel cornerbacks or slot at slot guys, 395 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: I think the guys who come onto the field and 396 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: that like like putting he's got Humphrey on here, he's 397 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: got uh. I mean, while you're looking, he's got Darnell 398 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: Savage on here, he's got he's he's a starting safety 399 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: like the Honey Badgers on that list. He's gouty Xavian 400 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: Howard on here, who's a starting cornerback. I mean, these 401 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: are guys who have other positions that they play. They're 402 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: not the true slot cornerback. The slots. I mean even 403 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: put picture it this way. If it's goal line and 404 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: you have a four four out there, you know what 405 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you got a big package out there. You 406 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: still have Marlon Humphrey on the number one. He's got 407 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey at number five, and he plays a lot 408 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: of nickel now where he didn't in Jacksonville. He plays 409 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: all over. He plays with the star position they call it. 410 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: But I guess he's not lying to us because his 411 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: headline is slot defender, you know what I mean. So 412 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: we're flitting is a little bit. I mean, if you 413 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: just look at quote Nickel corners like a Hilton or 414 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: more for Indianapolis is probably one of the better ones. 415 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: There's actually one of its pretty good on the market. 416 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Now pull from the Jets, and I don't know what's 417 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: why he still hurt. I think that was an injury situation. 418 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: But some of those guys that aren't household names, they're 419 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: not first round picks that were six too and one 420 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: ninety five that run a four, three eight, you know 421 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: what I mean? As I mentioned, he's got Humphrey eleven, 422 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: Darnell Savage number ten, Savages a state a strong safety. 423 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: If I'm doing a safety list, Savage would be pretty high. 424 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: And and for our just put out his safety listen 425 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: he has him. He has Darnell Savage rank number three 426 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: overall Monks Safeties safeties, one spot ahead of Makeup Fitzpatrick 427 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: at four. Um. I like Savage a lot. I prefer Makeup, 428 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: but I think you're two different kind of players they 429 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: are they are, and we bring up Savage a lot 430 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: because we always think there's a pretty good chance he 431 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: might have been a steel might have been a Steeler 432 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: had for Devin Bush, he may be in the twenties 433 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: pick of the draft of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, number 434 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: nine Seawan Murphy Bunting. Okay, they're another team. I mean 435 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl and they invest a lot 436 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: in their secondary. Not mur any first round picks, but 437 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: a lot of early picks in that secondary. But none 438 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: of them are true slot corners. I mean even Murphy 439 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: Bunting is more of an outside guy who bumped James 440 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: right right right. Uh. Eight is Avian Howard. He's just 441 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: like Humphrey. I mean, he's a He's the number one corner, 442 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: true follow you cornerback who goes into the can do it. 443 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Uh Seven Ron Johnson with the Bills real quickly. The 444 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: Humphrey and Howard's credit. It used to be that you 445 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: could get away from a revus or whoever by bringing this, 446 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: you know, and now you can still do it to 447 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: some degree by you know, stacking guys and things of 448 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: that nature to get get them away from that guy. 449 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: Because we bring this up a lot too. If you're 450 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: gonna revus or d on somebody and truly play one 451 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: on one and that guy lines up in the slot, 452 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: those other ten defenders have a tough time moving around. 453 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Guy has to go out right and then you got 454 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: hilting out idea what you're talking about that last time? 455 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: And that's all you want, you know. Yeah, So Toron 456 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: Johnson number seven with the Bills. Six Troy Hill who 457 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: just signed with the Browns where my grandparents are from, 458 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: Troy Hill. Uh. Five Jalen Ramsey, as I mentioned, Uh, 459 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: he does everything. But I mean, if I had to 460 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: take one defensive back in the whole league, I'd probably 461 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: take Ramsey. But I guess he does. Here's the thing. 462 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: From the slot last season, Ramsey allowed six catches on 463 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: twelve targets. I'm sorry, targets. Yeah, you're number four. I'd 464 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: like to know how many snaps he's not. But maybe 465 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: they didn't throw his away so much because he was 466 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: so great, but targets, I mean, you didn't miss any game. Yeah, 467 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: you could say put it this way, if you look 468 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: at the stats. Uh, Makey Fitzpatrick played a hundred snaps 469 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: in the slot last year. For the Steelers because sometimes 470 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: you free see your safe right and you think that 471 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: goes up. But there's potential for it. I mean, he 472 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: can do it. He can do it. Who did you 473 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: mention last segment about the slot corner that, oh Haydon 474 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: he said, I've done it, but it beats you up. 475 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I know Minka is a little bit more 476 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: physical and more safety than corner, but I would think 477 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to do it a ton. I mean, 478 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: he's very comfortable in deep middle, and those guys are 479 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: harder to find. Uh. Mike Hilton number four on this list. 480 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Here's the career, there's no doubt. Here, here's the stats 481 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: on him though. Thirty nine targets he remember he missed 482 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: some times. Twenty six catches wow, three six yards, two 483 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: hundred and six yards after the catch. Uh, two touchdowns, 484 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: three interceptions. Now the interceptions are great. Um, thirty nine 485 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: for three six yards is not great? Yeah, at this 486 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: position more than others, I'm sitting here thinking you're gonna 487 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: give up a higher completion percentage. It's a quick throw. 488 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: If it's third and eight and I give up a 489 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: catch for six yards, right, I did my job. So 490 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like a success rate that would 491 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: be good that that would be good to know. I 492 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: know football siders does that with their corners. Three is 493 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: Kenny Moore who you reference. He's a really good player 494 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: for the Colts. Um but he's so I mean just 495 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: true slot third corners. I think he's probably the best 496 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: in the league. Two is Bryce Callahan with the Bronk. 497 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: He had a really good year too. And what's crazy 498 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: is they drafted, signed a corner, fuller, drafted a corner. 499 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: They have four high, high quality corners that I wonder 500 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: if one of them ends up in Houston or Green 501 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: Bay for Aaron Rodgers or Watson or something like that. 502 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: Number one is Tyranne Mathou, which is cheating a little. Yeah, 503 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: he had two hunt eight coverage snaps in the slot 504 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: last year, and I guess that's a pretty high number. 505 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: Yeah he had. He allowed twenty two catches on thirty 506 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: three targets for two yards one touchdown with three interceptions. Okay, 507 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: so this is that's the number one guy in the 508 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: league according to Doug fur Our and his rankings here. 509 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: So to say that, um, you know, the Steelers can't 510 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: find somebody who gives up a my my upj math 511 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: at work. Here a sixty six point seven completion percentage 512 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: of the slot. Yeah, and hopefully no big plays, but 513 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: you make a few like make and the sacks over 514 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: the years or strips and things like that too. Yeah. 515 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder what the League and Steeler thoughts 516 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: are on slots in general, you know, like you and 517 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: I liked the kid out of Washington this year that 518 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: went to Tennessee in the third round. Um, he didn't 519 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: run great, but it's already been pushed out of my head. Yeah, 520 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: but he was We thought he'd be a second he 521 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: went in the third He I thought he was the 522 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: best true slot corner in this draft. But he fell 523 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: and didn't run great. But who cares if he runs great. 524 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's the league behind the times 525 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: on valuing slots or do they realize you don't have 526 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: to be a special player there, you know what I mean. 527 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: You gotta cut corners at some spots. Well, again, we'll 528 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: go back to the Tarrell Austin interview and he said, 529 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, you're look not gonna last long, and you're 530 00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: looking for guys with traits, and his trait maybe a 531 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: great blitzer or his trait. Maybe he's a fantastic tackler 532 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: or his trait. Maybe he's a great coverage guy. No. One, 533 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: and more defined traits than Hilton, one of them being small, 534 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean one of them, bade. One of them is bad. Uh. 535 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: Do you use your traits? Do you overcome the bad 536 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: ones the bad traits? Uh? You know. So it's all about, 537 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, using the player to his best ability. Yeah. Yeah, 538 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: And back to my big picture thinking of how much 539 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: are we gonna value slot corner? Would we ever use 540 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: a second round pick on a slot corner? Like if 541 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: slot corners disaster this year with see that was the 542 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: thing with like when the when the Titans drafted a 543 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: Doory Jackson. Yeah, like he's he's a five foot nine cornerback. 544 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's physical enough to bet. But he's not 545 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: physical So you automatically see that and you go, he's 546 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: slot cornerback sized. But is he physical, physical enough to 547 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: probably something? When when the Browns take Denzel word fourth overall, like, okay, 548 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: he's a five he's a five foot nine cornerback. He 549 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: has to be so much better than a six one 550 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: cornerback because that's usually who you see taken into top 551 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: ten like and Ward has succeeded. Dorry Jackson got cut right, 552 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, and he's got paid again by the Giants. 553 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: But you know, I think if if we had a 554 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: conversation of who who do you think could lead the 555 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: Steelers and slot snaps in two thousand twenty one, we 556 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: could probably put five or six names on that list 557 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: right now. Well, here's the thing too, about their searching 558 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: for that. I'm looking at this list. Okay, this is 559 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: again Doug Ferrar's top eleven slot cornerbacks. Here are his 560 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: honorable mentions. Jordan Whitehead from Tampa Bay a safety, right, 561 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: they also had. Uh. The other bunting was two different 562 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: slot guys and two different skill sets. Colum Williams from 563 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: San Francisco's on there. Jalen Mills not with the Patriots, 564 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: who's been a safety in the corner and he's done 565 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: all the above too. Chauncey Gardner Johnson with the Saints 566 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: safety more much more of a safety. Uh, Justin Burrs 567 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: with Carolina one Thornhill with the Chiefs. So both of 568 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: their safeties, yeah, safeties, and they'd have to study it, 569 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: but I assume that they can be somewhat interchangeable that 570 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, if this luck guy goes in motion, Thornhill 571 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: might walk down and you know, rotate and do that 572 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: type of thing. And then the final one is Jonathan 573 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: Jones with the Patriots. Okay, that makes sense too. But okay, so, 574 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, Minca played a hundred snaps in 575 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: the slot last year. That was the boo qualified right potentially? Yeah, 576 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: like twelve times? Yeah, whatever it was? Why not? Um? 577 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: You know, so I think everybody gets caught up in 578 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: what has to be this one guy. I think that's 579 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: very untrue. Yeah, I think this list shar conversation and 580 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: the Steeler's way of doing things. You know, over the 581 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: last couple of years they've had they've rotated slots and 582 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: they're very different players. Ones an outside guy. One's truly 583 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: a slot. Uh. They're working some safeties there now. Mean 584 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: I should know this better. But I mentioned there's five 585 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: or six names right now, including some undrafted guys and 586 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: some you know, not real well known free agents they've 587 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: signed or added to the team that they're kind of 588 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: gonna throw five or six of them in the mix 589 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: and see which one or two or three sticks. You know. 590 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: One of the other things that just one final thing 591 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: on on this subject before we move on and take 592 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: a break here. Um. One of the other things that 593 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: Austin said was that he's been with some teams that 594 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: had they changed who was playing in the slot depending 595 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: on what they want in the town once they wanted 596 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: out of that position, maybe even based on down and distance. Yeah, um, 597 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: so that works too. You know, there are a lot 598 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: of different ways to attack this as opposed to just 599 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: having one guy is a third and ten, okay, we 600 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: want our coverage guy if it's if it's third and four, okay, 601 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: maybe when a guy who's they may run the ball here. 602 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about the division. I mean, I 603 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: talked about the personnel group things I've been digging into. 604 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: Nobody was in eleven personnel three receivers more than the Bengals, right, 605 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: and they're gonna throw like crazy. And they just added 606 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: a receiver. Yea, they didn't add a tight end, you know. 607 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: And that's a heck of a lot different than what 608 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna get from the Browns and especially the race. 609 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,479 Speaker 1: You know. So maybe you want Brooks in the corner 610 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: or in the slot against Baltimore in Cleveland, but not 611 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: against Boyd. Yeah, you know what I mean. Last year 612 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: when Brooks did play, it was against Cincinnati, right right, right, right, 613 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: So I don't know, it'll be interesting, but you want 614 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: a lot of them to pick from. And I guess 615 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: back to my point too, is the league investing in them? 616 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: This is what we said last segment. It's almost like 617 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: running backs like you are, you're gonna get eight years 618 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: out of his slock corner Probably not, Probably not so. 619 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: And they'll be interested to see how the Bengals use 620 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: like Hilton this year. If they would worry me a 621 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: little for the Bengal fan. Yeah, if they brought him 622 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: in to be a true slot cornerback and they say, hey, 623 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: you're just a coverage guy that you know that that 624 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: might not go. That's not using his talents the way 625 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: to the best of his ability, line up and play 626 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: man coverage. They're gonna blitz him as much as the 627 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: Steelers do. Probably not, I mean nobody. Probably Steelers one 628 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: of the highest blitz teams in the league. So I mean, 629 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: I like Hilton and I wish him the best, But 630 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: if he's gonna if you if you're playing against the 631 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: Bengals and you're Jarvis Landry or Juju in this division. 632 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: And boy, I'm getting man coverage against Hilton time and 633 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: time again. I think I'm that guy in my fantacy 634 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: line up. Yeah, one last thing. I mean, you can 635 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: remember back about ten years ago when Gronk was at 636 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: the top of his powers, the one player the Steelers 637 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: had that had a really good game against him was 638 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: Cortez Allen. As a rookie. They put him out there 639 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: in the slot against Bronk and he had he broke 640 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: up a couple of passes. Um. You know, Gronk didn't 641 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: destroy the Steelers in that game, as he was wont 642 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: to do. Um. You know, you can he kind of 643 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: mixed and matchup depending on who are they putting in 644 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: the slot, who are they going to use their going 645 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: to use there, And that's one of the best chess 646 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: games going, you know, week to week and play to 647 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: play in the league right now. How how how they're 648 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: all these formations and how they're using people and just 649 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: look at the Steelers offense. They have a lot of 650 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: options to attack teams all over now, I mean, including 651 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: the friar mooove pickup and nausea. I mean, you can 652 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: put out five actually I mean there's probably eight or 653 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: nine skill guys you can put out there that are 654 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: mismatched problems. Absolutely there that's done for a reason. Yeah, yeah, 655 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: without question. Yeah, he is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lally. 656 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive Special Edition here on ESPN 657 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna take a break. 658 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: We'll be back to finish up the show right after this. 659 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,479 Speaker 1: This is live coverage about one Steelers Mini Camp by 660 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: from Heinz Field on your seven home for the Steelers SNR. 661 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We are back here live from Steelers 662 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Mini Camp. I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson. And 663 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: that covered a lot of ground today. Yeah, it's been 664 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: quick hitting, fun show. We're gonna wrap it up here 665 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: and we're kind of looking at an empty stadium and uh, 666 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: quite the day here, I mean the weather, the atmosphere. 667 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun. It has been a 668 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: lot of fun, and unfortunately it is gonna come to 669 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: an end here at some point. Uh. Bill Barnwell put 670 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: out his piece today. We do talk about Bill's stuff 671 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: every once in a while, and his uh he's predicting 672 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: which NFL players could break eight major records in twenty 673 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the NFL. You know, baseball is 674 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: different when it comes to the records. Yeah, seventeen games. 675 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: How did that games this year? So are these gonna 676 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: be the record records? You know? Yeah? Records? Seconds are 677 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: gonna go down this year. I would think passing records season, 678 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: and you know, right, we're gonna see that change a 679 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: little bit. So. The current passing record for yards in 680 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: a season is five thousand, four hundred and seventy seven 681 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: by Peyton. The favorite, according to Bill, is Patrick Mahomes. 682 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: I think he's of a gigantic year. Yeah, I mean, 683 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: he was injured a little last year. Few are we 684 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: going to see a six thousand yard passing at some 685 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: point in the next five years or so? Maybe, especially 686 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: if you don't call holding, you know what I mean? 687 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: Sure helps, I mean the league is helping that way. 688 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: And it sure seems like there's not the number of 689 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: great receivers entering the league is not slowing down. It 690 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: is not. And the quarterbacks coming pretty ready to and 691 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: they're protected. I'm gonna say, yes, yeah, I bet somebody 692 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: will get there in the next five His guy just 693 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: behind that is Dak Prescott. If you remember that Dak 694 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Prescott had he had six nine passing yards in the 695 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: first four games. They weren't No quarterback in league history 696 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: had ever had sixteen hundred in the first four games 697 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: before he was a sixt forget that. Yeah, and they 698 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: got weapons. I mean that that offense is loaded. Yeah. 699 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: His long shot is Tom Brady. I'm sure. I'm sorry, 700 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: that is a long time. I don't I don't think 701 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: Brady gets anywhere near that number this year. I don't either. 702 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: I actually think he's gonna decline a little. Yeah. I 703 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: mean I've said that before and bitten my tongue, but 704 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: I've been shocked if he plays at high level. Here's 705 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: one touchdowns the current record thirty one. Do you remember 706 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: by who? We're not talking about past. I mean this 707 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: is touchdowns period, not by none quarterback, not touchdown past well, 708 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: Dannian Thomlinson in two thousand six maybe the greatest fantasy 709 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: UM thirty one touchdowns. So you'd have to average almost 710 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: to a game to get there. I know Derrick Henry 711 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: has been leading the league, but he's not gonna get there. 712 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think. Not With catching the ball, the favorite, 713 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. That's a good one. I think he had 714 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: one last two seasons ago, which was also a historic 715 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Fantasy season thirty one. Though even with seventeen games, I 716 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: don't know that that's broken in the next five years. Healthy, Yeah, 717 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: it's it could be tough. Um. I think Tomlinson had 718 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: like a five touchdown game that year, and even in 719 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: like week sixteen or seventeen back then, I think they 720 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: you know, they were on the one and it didn't matter. 721 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: They gave him a couple of helpers just behind him. 722 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: Dalvin cook good one catches the ball. Yeah. Do you 723 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: think Dalvin Coaks will play seventeen games? Probably not, probably not, 724 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: Probably not. His his history shows us that, no, that's 725 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: not gonna be cased. His long shot is Joe Mixon. 726 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: Not a bad long shot. I think you'll get a 727 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: lot of touches. I just don't see that being I 728 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: don't know any of them approaches a big number. I mean, 729 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: I think the leader might be twenty uh rushing yards. 730 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: Nae Harris is gonna have a few. By the way, 731 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and five, this this is one of the 732 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: older records on this book. Yeah, Eric Dickerson Yeah, Um, 733 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: teams don't rush the balls or o J or some 734 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: of those guys have those two thousand yard seasons people 735 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: have had. Henry has been sort of close. Not I mean, 736 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: he's led the league two years in a row, but 737 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: he's not in here. He wasn't a two thousand. I 738 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: don't think anybody approaches it this year, even with an 739 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: extra game. Yeah, Henry's number one, just behind him Dalvin Cook, okay, 740 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: and then long shot. I'm not seeing this long shot 741 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: at all. Clyde Edwards Hilaire, no chance. I mean he 742 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: didn't come collag to a thousand yards rushing last year. 743 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: He'd have to break like five eighty yarders. Yeah, you 744 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's Andy Reid, right. They may 745 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: run the ball five times in the first half of games. 746 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: I could over here absolutely. That's that's if Bill steam 747 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: Hunt gets hurt in preseason job as a chance, right, 748 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Uh. Receiving yards Calvin Johnson 749 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: two thousand, twelve nine. Do we see our first two 750 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver this year? I think that's a big number. 751 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: It's a big, big number. Antonio Brown was kind of 752 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: on track for that the one year and had hurt 753 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: against the Patriots. Here he was on pace to maybe 754 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: maybe break that record, and he was having just a 755 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: phenomenal year, I believe. I mean to give you an idea, 756 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: Julio Jones. I just heard an article boutom so I 757 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: know this. I thought. My head average is ninety five 758 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: point five yards per game, which is way more than 759 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: anybody else in the league. Alan Johnson second, he's like 760 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: fifteen yards behind per game, and that's not enough, right 761 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: that still get his favorite for that is Stefon Dix. Maybe, Um, yeah, 762 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: I guess he's as good as any I'm not giving 763 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: him the just behind he has Michael Thomas. There's no way, 764 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: there's no chance. I mean, I don't think Adams, I 765 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: don't think Michael Thomas to get to to get to 766 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: a twenty over nine hundred and sixty four yards, Michael 767 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: Thomas would have to catch a hundred and seventy passes. 768 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: You have to have a couple of bombs, and they're 769 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: just not gonna do that. The long shots. Calvin Ridley, 770 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: I'll buy that. On say, Ridley's a name I was 771 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: about to mention, Actually, yeah, I'll buy that one. I 772 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: would a J. Brown without Julio maybe maybe you know 773 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, a million targets plus you know, a 774 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: couple of long ones. I don't see anybody getting close. No, 775 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't either actually be losing a lot too. I 776 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: think Calvin Johnson was probably losing a lot. Extra points. 777 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Oh geez. The record is seventy five by Matt Prador. 778 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: Is that before two point conversions? Yes? Okay, seventy five 779 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: extra points is a lot. Yeah. The favorite, of course 780 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: is Harrison Um just behind him, justin Tucker. I don't 781 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: know if the Ravens are gonna score seventy five touchdowns 782 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: this season, A huge number, huge number without going to 783 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: two for two, any of them on any of them, right, 784 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that gets touched. Although scoring is up, 785 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's not. I mean, that's remarkable. Yeah. Uh. 786 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: And the long shot is Matt Gay from the Rams. 787 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: That's good offense. Yeah, better not miss men either. Here's 788 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: a bad one. Fumbles. The current record is twenty three 789 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: by Carrit Collins in two thousand one and Dante Culpepper 790 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: into that's more of a quarterbacks to that than running backs. 791 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, fumble twenty three times running. The favorite is 792 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones. Yeah, he had eighteen 793 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: and eleven last get better. Carson Wentz right behind it. 794 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: If Carson Wentz breaks that record, the Indianapolis Colts are shot. 795 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: They won, they won't be a five hundred team and 796 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: they'll be big trouble. Yeah. Interesting, interesting, lots of things 797 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: to think about here as we get closer to the 798 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: start of the NFL season. But that's gonna do it 799 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: for our show today. So for my Matt Williamson here 800 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: on site with me here at Heinz Field, we want 801 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: to thank Bob Labriola for keeping for Joy, and we 802 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: want to thank Jacob break Back in Studio for keeping 803 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: us on the air, and you for listening to this 804 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: edition of The Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN 805 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: SEV