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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump is now the least

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Speaker 1: popular newly elected president since World War Two. We have

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Speaker 1: such a great show for you today. The Washington Post

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Speaker 1: Dana Milbank stops by to talk about the republicans chaotic

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Speaker 1: confirmation hearings. Then we'll talk to MSNBC's Alex Wagner about

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Speaker 1: Trump's immigration shogunaw.

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Speaker 2: But first the news so Mali yesterday there was a lot,

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Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of shokunaw. But the thing that

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Speaker 2: we didn't get to yesterday was that the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: offered roughly two million federal workers a buyout to resign

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Speaker 2: and that they would pay their salary forward for seven months.

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Speaker 2: This did not include a lot of people, for example,

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Speaker 2: congressional employees, people and like the CBO, things like that,

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Speaker 2: but it did include a lot of federal employees that

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Speaker 2: they think they could do without. What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read a tweet thread from an ABC

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Speaker 1: reporter who noticed that this email looks suspiciously like a

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two email that Elon Musk wrote to Twitter

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Speaker 1: employees after he bought the company and fired almost all

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Speaker 1: of them. The memo sent to government employees this evening,

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Speaker 1: offering them buyouts very closely mirrors and email Musk sent

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two down to the same subject line

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Speaker 1: of fork in the Road. The twenty twenty two email

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Speaker 1: tells Twitter employees only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.

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Speaker 1: Compare that to the memo, the federal workforce should be

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Speaker 1: comprised of the best America has to offer. We insist

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Speaker 1: on excellence at every level, and another similarity. The same way,

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Speaker 1: the OPM memo requires employees to only respond resigned to

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Speaker 1: the email. To seal the deal, Musk as Twitter's employees

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Speaker 1: to click yes on this link below if they wanted

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Speaker 1: to stay on a Twitter. Look, this is clearly the

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Speaker 1: brainchild and I mean brain very loosely of the Office

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Speaker 1: of Government Efficiency. We don't know if this is legal

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Speaker 1: right to do this. We don't know if they have

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Speaker 1: the money for this. I mean, this is all like

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Speaker 1: cooked up in the middle of the night fever dream thing.

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Speaker 1: But again, you know, this is the Donald Trump, move

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Speaker 1: fast and break things presidency, so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: We did see Tim Kaine come out and say, do

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Speaker 1: not agree to this. They don't have any standing. Just

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Speaker 1: ignore them, and we're going to probably see, as you're

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Speaker 1: telling me from your friends, we're probably going to see

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Speaker 1: a lot more of government employees just ignoring the stuff

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Speaker 1: that's coming from on high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people I were speaking to is

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Speaker 2: like almost no one qualifies for this. As well. There's

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Speaker 2: a tweet from Amanda Littman front of the show from

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Speaker 2: I'm staying here to make sure things don't go to hell.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like, it's not funny now, this

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Speaker 3: It's fucked up.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting to see that it's so easy to

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Speaker 1: squander any kind of respect to have so quickly. Trump

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go in there and you know,

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Speaker 1: have a connection to federal employees and inspire them to

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Speaker 3: Of course he wasn't going to do that, and now

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Speaker 3: we have a.

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Speaker 1: Federal workforce that is furious and is likely going to

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Speaker 3: Problems that he probably wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 1: I would stay tuned on this, I think we'll see

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. By the way, Carolyn Levitt, who

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Speaker 1: is the new Trumpy Press secretary, she is also blonde

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Speaker 1: in our federal office buildings, also paid by taxpayers. Again,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these people have been remote

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Speaker 1: been asked to remote work because their offices have been

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Speaker 1: you know, again a blunt object to try to do

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Speaker 1: too much. We'll see what happens. This probably will be

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Speaker 1: pretty bad. Speaking of bad, let's talk about Mark Milly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Pete hegg Saith has decided to remove his

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Speaker 2: security detail, which really seems just spiteful and like most

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Speaker 1: It's not just that he wants to remove his security detail.

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Speaker 1: Pete hegg Seth wants to punish Mark Milly. Now, Mark

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Speaker 1: Milley has already gotten a pardon from Biden. He was

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Speaker 1: so he took away the security detail of Milly, Foulton,

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Speaker 1: oh and Fauci. He's taken away a lot of people

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Speaker 1: security detail as a way of punishing them by making

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Speaker 2: That's very trumpy, making sure they can't see the the

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Speaker 2: level of fucker either about it engagement, right.

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Speaker 3: It's not good.

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Speaker 1: But I want to point out that there's also another

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Speaker 1: thing happening here right, which is Haigseth is going after

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Speaker 1: Milly because Milly was the source for these books and

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Speaker 1: Trump is mad at him. So they're going to say

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Speaker 1: that this is this is against the chain of command,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to try to prosecute him, take away

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Speaker 1: one of his stars, mess with his pension. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to realize, like, these are anti democratic

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Speaker 1: things that are happening in Trump world. These are the

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Speaker 1: sort of Project twenty twenty five, for lack of a

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Speaker 1: better shorthand, this is the autocratic stuff that democrats warned

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Speaker 1: you was coming. So going after retired military generals is insane,

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Speaker 1: not the norm, anti democratic, and it is part of

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Speaker 1: just keep your eye on it. It's bad and it's

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Speaker 1: probably just the beginning.

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Speaker 2: As you and I are speaking right now, RFKA Junior

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Speaker 2: is going through his confirmation hearing. I'm sure the worm

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Speaker 2: is doing the talking anyway, brainworm.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, you may have to put anyway go on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we have here Maggie Hassan doing some question

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Speaker 4: I am really hardened to see that one area where

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Speaker 4: we agree on is on women's reproductive freedom.

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Speaker 3: In your own.

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Speaker 4: Words, it's not the government's place to tell people.

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Speaker 3: What to do with their bodies.

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Speaker 4: You said that, correct, yep.

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Speaker 5: Mister Kennedy.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three, you came to New Hampshire and said, quote,

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Speaker 4: I'm pro choice. I don't think the government has any

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Speaker 4: business telling people what they can or cannot.

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Speaker 3: Do with their body.

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Speaker 4: So you said that right, yes, yep. But you also

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Speaker 4: said we need to trust the women to make that choice,

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Speaker 4: because I don't trust government to.

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Speaker 3: Make any choices.

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Speaker 5: She said that too, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: It is remarkable that you have such a long record

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Speaker 4: my Republican colleagues are so open to voting for a

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Speaker 4: pro choice HHS secretary.

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Speaker 1: So this was smart. This was really fucking smart. And

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Speaker 1: we talk about how Democrats can be smart.

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Speaker 3: This is it.

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Speaker 1: Right. She's not using it to yell at him, she's

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Speaker 1: not using it to talk about something weird.

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Speaker 3: She's not using it to moralize or.

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Speaker 1: Grand you know, like we have seen hearings where Democratic

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Speaker 1: senators have lectured the nominee. That's not what's happening here.

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Speaker 1: What's happening here is she is highlighting the fact that

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior doesn't believe in anything, and she does.

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Speaker 3: It really well.

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Speaker 1: It's really smart, and it's really focused. And I think

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Speaker 1: that in my mind, the more these questionners can be

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Speaker 1: focused and they don't have to cover every subject, and

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Speaker 1: the more they can work together and be like I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk about abortion, you should talk about data DA,

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Speaker 1: the better these things are going to be. And so

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Speaker 1: again this is my plea to elected democrats. Work together,

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Speaker 1: divide and conquer, stay focused, don't let these leaders avoid accountability.

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Speaker 3: That was really great. Bravo, Maggie Hassen.

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Speaker 2: All right, Molly, here, I have an unlikely a tech

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Speaker 2: dog here for you. But I'm kind of shocked because

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Speaker 2: Senator Michael Bennett here in the RFK confirmation. Hearing this

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Speaker 6: Did you say that COVID nineteen was a genetically engineered

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Speaker 6: bioweapon the targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi,

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Speaker 2: I didn't say it was deliberately targeted.

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Speaker 7: I just I just quoted an NIH funded, an NIH

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Speaker 6: Did you say that it targets black and white people

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Speaker 6: but spared I.

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Speaker 3: Quote, I quoted an study that show I.

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Speaker 6: Take that as I have to move on. I have

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Speaker 6: to move on. Did you say that lime disease is

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Speaker 6: is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon. I made sure

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Speaker 6: I put in the highly likely. Did you say lime

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Speaker 5: I probably did say that.

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Speaker 6: Did you say that that's developer. I want all of

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Speaker 6: our colleagues to hear mister Kennedy, I want them to

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Speaker 2: You said yes.

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Speaker 6: Did you say that exposure to pesticize causes children to

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Speaker 6: become transgender?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I never said that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I have the record that I'll give to the

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Speaker 6: chairman and he can make his judgment about what you said.

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Speaker 2: Did you in your book?

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Speaker 6: And it's undeniable that African African AIDS is an entirely

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Speaker 6: different disease from Western AIDS. Yes or no, mister Kennedy.

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Speaker 6: mister Kennedy. And my final question, did you say on

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Speaker 6: a podcast and I quote, I wouldn't leave it abortion

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Speaker 6: to the States. My belief is we should leave it

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Speaker 6: to the woman. We shouldn't have the government involved, even

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Speaker 6: if it's full term. Did you say that, mister Senator?

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Speaker 5: I believe that every abortion is a tragedy.

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Speaker 6: Did you say it? Mister Kennedy just matters. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: matter what you come here and say. That isn't true,

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Speaker 6: that's not reflective of what you really believe that you

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Speaker 6: haven't said over decade after decade after decade, Because unlike

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Speaker 6: other jobs we're confirming around this place, this is a

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Speaker 6: job where it is life and death for the kids

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Speaker 6: schools and for families all over this country that are

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Speaker 6: suffering from living in the richest country of the world

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Speaker 6: that can't deliver basic healthcare and basic mental health care

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Speaker 6: to them. It's too important for the games that you're playing,

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Speaker 6: mister Kennedy. And I hope my colleagues will say to

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Speaker 6: the President, I have no influence over him. I hope

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Speaker 6: my colleagues will say to the President, out of three

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Speaker 6: hundred and thirty million Americans, we can do better than this.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

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Speaker 2: That was a dog barking in a fight, and I

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Speaker 2: like to see it.

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Speaker 1: That's what we need, man. And way to go, Michael Bennett.

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Speaker 1: Incredible stuff. Good for him.

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Speaker 2: So some good news. We have our first special election

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Speaker 2: of the year. Democrat Mike Zimmer has won the special

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Speaker 2: election for ias thirty fifth Senate district seat.

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Speaker 1: No one helps Democrats more in elections than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: He is not on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is really helpful to Democrats. And that's because

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Molly. It is always a pleasure to be

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here. Before I came here,

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Speaker 5: Wow, how does that work?

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Speaker 1: If you're over fifty, you know exactly how cable television works.

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Speaker 5: I cut the cord myself.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Watching the beginning of the hearing, the tanniest person

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Speaker 7: I'm a little sad because they actually have like ten

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Speaker 3: Right, which is crime's bad.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, crime is, crime remains bad. It's just as bad

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Speaker 9: Three trillion dollars of the federal government. Now that's right, now,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Trump friendly Supreme Court, We're going to do

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Speaker 7: Because any any more than that and everybody would stop listening.

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Speaker 1: Congress is theoretically supposed to control the purse. But what

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Speaker 1: The nineteen seventy four Impoundment Act put to prevent this

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Speaker 7: I assume that is what they're up to here. I mean,

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Speaker 7: They say, well, you know, he's asked about the Empowerment Act.

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Speaker 7: You know, take saying you know, the law is what

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Speaker 3: Right, there is a real question.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I always think that cynicism is the

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm glad you asked me, because I am a

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Speaker 5: I think until we get to.

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Speaker 5: Wheels for old folks.

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Speaker 7: So that's what's going to matter, is when people see

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Speaker 1: That I think is that that will be the big question.

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Speaker 7: Yes, but it's sort of you know, redundant. I mean,

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Speaker 7: you know, there's already automatic primary challenges to anybody who

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Speaker 7: defies Trump for anything, so they don't need any additional

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Speaker 7: funding from Nicole Shanahan or Elon Musk or anybody else,

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Speaker 7: you know, So I think those threats are kind of ludicrous.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there already is lockstep discipline, or at least

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Speaker 7: there has been so far. I mean, look, you could

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Speaker 7: have knocked me over with a feather when McConnell actually

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Speaker 7: voted against xact or maybe he knew that he was

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Speaker 7: going through anyway.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stop you for a minute because you

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Speaker 1: are a real DC person. And again and everyone who's

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Speaker 1: so cynicals like, oh McConnell, whatever he knew, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he knew.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I think that.

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Speaker 1: Tillis was a no until they went and talked to

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Speaker 1: him for two hours.

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Speaker 3: God knows what they said to him.

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Speaker 1: The fact that he's voting against nominees I think is

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Speaker 1: really meaningful. Say more about why you think it's meaningful.

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Speaker 7: Well, because for ten years now, I've been thinking, oh,

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Speaker 7: this is the moment when McConnell will actually stand up

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Speaker 7: to Trump when it matters. At each time it's been

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Speaker 7: you know, Charlie Brown in the football. So I mean,

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Speaker 7: maybe it didn't matter this time since it was going

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Speaker 7: through anyway, But.

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Speaker 1: It's meaningful because McConnell was the leader, and like mcconnald's

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Speaker 1: vote means more than a regular center vote.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I suppose, or maybe it means more in public.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's been so discredited in Maga eyes as

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Speaker 7: you know, the old crow. I'm not actually sure it

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Speaker 7: matters that much to the Trump faithful.

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Speaker 5: But look, it's a numbers game.

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Speaker 7: And if you got Murkowski and Collins are somewhat more

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Speaker 7: reliable no on the most zany outrages and abuses, and

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Speaker 7: if McConnell, then all right, you're down to your tiebreaker.

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Speaker 7: And then you know who's the next guy who's going

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Speaker 7: to develop a spine? It may it looked like that

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Speaker 7: on the hegseth. That might be Tom Tillsey even had

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Speaker 7: what was it his excess. Former sister in law urged

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Speaker 7: her to come out publicly because he said that could

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Speaker 7: tilt the balance. She comes out publicly and he still votes.

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Speaker 7: Thanks a lot, dude.

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Speaker 5: So you know, will he grow a spine or a pair?

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Speaker 7: As they say, I'll be pleasantly surprised when I see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean I do think it's meaningful. And

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Speaker 1: again I understand that I'm the boy whistling in the

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Speaker 1: dark to keep myself from being afraid.

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Speaker 5: But this is all we have that's right, Well, on

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Speaker 5: to something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So the frozen federal budget is now there's a court injunction.

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Speaker 1: We're going to see that play out. We've got more hearings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what else are you watching here?

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit of ADHD. I should try to

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Speaker 5: focus on anything.

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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I mean last week I was focusing

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Speaker 7: on Trump not seeming to know what his own administration

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Speaker 7: is doing, and clearly his press secretary doesn't know either.

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Speaker 7: I'm focusing more on his vengeance this week. She seems great,

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Speaker 7: by the way, Oh she's brilliant. Yeah, yeah, just yet

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Speaker 7: another really, I mean, just another star in the making.

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Speaker 7: I threw in a line about her wearing a purple

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Speaker 7: jacket and across of the type most commonly seen repelling vampires,

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Speaker 7: and I thought I would get a lot more blowback

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Speaker 7: than I did.

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Speaker 5: But you know, people are anti vampire.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean what I'm watching for.

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Speaker 7: Is I alluded to a moment ago is where he's

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Speaker 7: actually doing things that are going to hurt people, forcing

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Speaker 7: up prices, shuttering programs, precipitating international crises, you know, things

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Speaker 7: that people are going to notice and feel in their

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Speaker 7: lives and say, hey, wait a second, this is not

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Speaker 7: what I voted for. That's what's it's going to matter,

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Speaker 7: because you know, the election unfortunately, did prove that for

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Speaker 7: a lot of people, you know, talking about he's destroying

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Speaker 7: our constitutional system and our democracy.

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Speaker 5: It just didn't wash for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is that fundamental problem with Trump,

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Speaker 1: isn't which is when you try to explain that he's

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Speaker 1: planning on doing all this stuff, people would be like, well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't do it last time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, because he tried and he couldn't.

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Speaker 7: But it looks like he may well be able to

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Speaker 7: get a lot of this done this time, you know,

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Speaker 7: and in a sense like yeah, you know, the federal

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Speaker 7: judge saved him from himself with this you know, temporary

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Speaker 7: to till February third, whatever, you know, suspension of the

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Speaker 7: of the pause, the pause and the pause. But you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean at some point, yeah, they're going to stop

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Speaker 7: the head start and meals on wheels and medicaid or

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Speaker 7: some equivalent crisis, and people are going to actually say,

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Speaker 7: wait a second, this is not what I thought I

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Speaker 7: was getting.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, this is not what I thought I was getting.

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Speaker 3: Dana Melbank.

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Speaker 5: I hope he'll come back anytime.

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Speaker 1: Molly Alex Wagner is the host of MSNBC's Trump Land

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Speaker 1: with Alex Wagner. Welcome to Fast Politics, Alex Wagner, thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me.

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Speaker 10: Molly John passed.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I'm thrilled you're doing this really interesting thing.

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Speaker 3: Explain to us what you're doing now.

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Speaker 10: Well, listen.

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Speaker 11: I think when Trump was reelected there was thinking that, like,

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Speaker 11: we got to do something differently this time. We got

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Speaker 11: to be eggrective in our coverage. We got to look

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Speaker 11: under each stone, and there are many stones. But we

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Speaker 11: also need to be enterprising in terms of what we're

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Speaker 11: covering because obviously Trump is the master of distraction and

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Speaker 11: there's really important stuff that happens that we often don't

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Speaker 11: get it to really talk about our analyze because we're

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Speaker 11: dealing with a daily onslaught of controversy. So we have

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Speaker 11: the inimitable Rachel Mattow sitting at the desk five days

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Speaker 11: a week, and we have me out in a country

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Speaker 11: reporting on the big stories of each week and talking

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Speaker 11: to people that honestly, you don't usually see on television,

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Speaker 11: having conversations that you don't normally hear on television. And

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Speaker 11: the idea is we got to do something differently, like

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Speaker 11: I said, and we're going to be as tenacious and

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Speaker 11: as aggressive and as you know, resourceful as the moment demand.

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Speaker 10: So that's what I've been doing.

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Speaker 11: And like I started last week outside of DC jail

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Speaker 11: talking to January sixth inmates, and this week I've been

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Speaker 11: speaking to migrants who are working to know their rights

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Speaker 11: and figure out a strategy and a battle plan for

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Speaker 11: mass deportation, which seems to be very clearly at the

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Speaker 11: top of the President's list of things to do.

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Speaker 3: So I have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: First, I want you to talk about the January sixth

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Speaker 1: talking to those people, because that is a really interesting

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Speaker 1: group that I mean, and I don't mean this to

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Speaker 1: elevate them, because I know there's a lot of really

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Speaker 1: problematic stuff for the larger like four democracy, But I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering if you could talk just a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what it was like with the group out there and

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Speaker 1: sort of what their expectations were and what their feelings

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Speaker 1: were about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I wanted to have the conversations with

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Speaker 11: them because I think it's important to know the sort

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Speaker 11: of to understand the stories of the people who are

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Speaker 11: at the center of the news, and I was eager

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Speaker 11: to hear first of all their thoughts about Trump and

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Speaker 11: also kind of like where their allegiance stands now that

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Speaker 11: they're free, because I think a lot of people wonder

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Speaker 11: how Trump is going to carry out some of his

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Speaker 11: most draconian plans. You know, standard of lawlessness or lawfulness

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Speaker 11: is and they are a great bell weather for that.

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Speaker 11: So you know, the first thing that struck me. I mean,

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Speaker 11: perhaps it's not surprising that they are so intensely loyal

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Speaker 11: to Donald Trump in a way that I think eclipses

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Speaker 11: even their sense of allegiance on January six. Like, I

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Speaker 11: talked to one father who had two children in jail.

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Speaker 11: He himself was also there at January six, and he

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Speaker 11: said to me, with tears in his eyes, I would

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Speaker 11: die for this now.

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Speaker 3: So they don't feel like Trump put them in this position.

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Speaker 11: No, And I told you a woman who was involved

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Speaker 11: in the riot and was pardoned by President Trump. She said,

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Speaker 11: I don't understand why I was ever in jail. And

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Speaker 11: Anthony Fauci and Liz Cheney warrant, Oh wow. The sort

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Speaker 11: of conspiracy theory narratives that have been spun around prominent

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Speaker 11: resistance figures and resistance is like does people who are

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Speaker 11: still tethered to reality and care about the future of

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Speaker 11: a you know, our American democracy. That sort of poison

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Speaker 11: is like deep in the veins, especially for January six ers,

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Speaker 11: even though they may have been in you know, federal

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Speaker 11: kind of tenuries during the like most of the last

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Speaker 11: couple of years. They are angry, but they are also

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Speaker 11: intensely hopeful about what President Trump can establish and accomplish,

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Speaker 11: and they're ready to go for him. I mean, I

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Speaker 11: asked a number of them, if he asks you to

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Speaker 11: go do something, will you go do it? And almost

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Speaker 11: to a person, they said, hell, yeah, Like he hasn't

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Speaker 11: given up on us. We would never give up on him.

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Speaker 11: The other thing is so speaking Molly, is so many

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Speaker 11: of them have talked directly with Trump. Either they were

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Speaker 11: at mar A Lago, you know, if they were family

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Speaker 11: members of Jason, or they've spoken on the phone to

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Speaker 11: him numerous times. I mean, as a matter of like

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Speaker 11: constituent outreach. Donald Trump is a machine. Like the fact

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Speaker 11: that this guy has focused so much of his attentions

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Speaker 11: on this group of people should tell you a lot

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Speaker 11: about how important they are to him. In his second presidency, and.

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Speaker 1: If we look historically at autocrats who craft their own

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Speaker 1: militias or their own it never.

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Speaker 3: Ends well, you never want an autocrat.

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Speaker 10: To have a bunch an army, right.

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Speaker 3: De facto army.

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Speaker 1: That is never a good sign for democratic norms.

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Speaker 11: Well, and it's not just the fifteen hundred people he

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Speaker 11: pardoned or community the sentences of it's the signal that's

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Speaker 11: sent to any other militia member. I mean, I talked

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Speaker 11: to militia memories before the twenty twenty election who may

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Speaker 11: not have actually been there on January sixth, but were

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Speaker 11: inclined to think about extra judicial solutions to a broken

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Speaker 11: government or a broken.

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Speaker 10: You know, election. They you know, there are a lot

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Speaker 10: of people.

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Speaker 11: Who weren't active around January sixth, but have been entranced

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Speaker 11: by Maggot in the intervening years. And like the pardoning

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Speaker 11: is a huge signal to all of them that if

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Speaker 11: you do Trump spitting, he's got your back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: And that is, if you think about it, quite worrying

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Speaker 1: for any number of reasons. And the fact that they

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Speaker 1: consider themselves to be sort of the bizarro doctor Fauci

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Speaker 1: is just can you talk me through that?

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Speaker 11: Thinking, they believe that there are actors who are trying

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Speaker 11: to destroy the country. I mean, this is where the

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Speaker 11: q Andon like the snake, the q Andon snake begins

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Speaker 11: eating the Maga tail right right, the like there was

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Speaker 11: no mention of pizza.

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Speaker 3: Game, right. Oh, well, that's something, you know.

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Speaker 11: The vast conspiracy that exists in the deep state is

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Speaker 11: something they absolutely believe in. They believe, to a person

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Speaker 11: that the twenty twenty election was stolen. I asked a

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Speaker 11: number of them, well, if twenty twenty was stolen, why

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Speaker 11: we let him win in twenty twenty four, and they said,

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Speaker 11: because it was too big to rig. His margin was

659
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 11: just too big to rig, and that's the only reason

660
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 11: the system wasn't set up against him. But they believe that,

661
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 11: you know, Lias Cheney is a trader. I mean, they

662
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 11: believe that Mark Milly is a trader. They believe that

663
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 11: Anthony Fauci is the architect of our national despair. And

664
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 11: the question is the degree to which Trump sort of

665
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 11: tries to point them in that direction and actually calls

666
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 11: for them to do something to those people. I mean,

667
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 11: of course I hope that never happens, but it seemed

668
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 11: to me that a number of them were ready to

669
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 11: do what you know, they needed to do because this

670
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 11: was bigger than just them, This was bigger than jail time.

671
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 11: This was a central part of what they understood to

672
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 11: be their American identity, which is wild.

673
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: You know it's wild, right, I think that's really important.

674
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: We interviewed this academic who I'm kind of obsessed with

675
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: at Harvard called Thetis Scotch Paul, and she was talking

676
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: about how often post a pandemic people will have a

677
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: certain amount of memory holding, like they just won't be

678
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: able to keep the memory of the experience in their

679
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: head because it's so traumatic. How does that make sense

680
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: with this just like amateur psychiatrists for me, for a second.

681
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 10: Gary, amateur, Like didn't go to med.

682
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: School, I didn't even go to college.

683
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 10: So well, but you're you're what is it, You're naturally brilliant.

684
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 11: I'm not sure, but anyway, yeah, listen, I totally agree.

685
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 11: I feel like so much of our national unpacking needs

686
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 11: to happen around COVID because I do think it's like

687
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 11: a lacuna and people were filled with so much rage

688
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 11: and loneliness and despair and it compounded. And I really

689
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 11: believe this you know what Vivick Murphy, the Surgeon General,

690
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 11: once called like at the epidemic of loneliness and what

691
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 11: you know, Michael, there's so many people that sees on

692
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 11: this this is all connected, right. People feel alone, they

693
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 11: feel disconnected from community. They're angry about their their particular situation,

694
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 11: whether economically, culturally, financially, socially whatever, and they look for

695
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 11: an outlet for that, and for these kind of jan

696
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 11: sixers and so the Maga diehards. I think COVID was

697
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 11: this incredible inflection point where they had no outlet for

698
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 11: the loneliness, They had no one to turn to, and

699
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 11: here comes a strong man suggesting that all of this

700
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 11: is a fabrication. That all of the pain that they

701
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 11: felt and that they've gone through and that lies ahead

702
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 11: for them, can you know, be either erased or vanished

703
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 11: from the horizon if they just believe in him. I mean,

704
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 11: I think it also speaks to the decline of like

705
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 11: religion in this country, like are you know, the public

706
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 11: spare has gone away and people just want to believe

707
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 11: in someone and something and Trump, you know, sort of

708
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 11: I think the dawn of perhaps the most the more

709
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 11: poisonous stage of Trump ism that coincided with the COVID pandemic,

710
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 11: and I just think that there's a lot that that

711
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 11: stirred up, that there's a direct line you can draw

712
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 11: between the sort of venomous force of MAGA and what

713
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 11: everybody went through during the COVID pandemic.

714
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, like I think all of.

715
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 11: Us liberals, centrists and you know, conservatives, we've all had

716
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 11: to kind of move past it in a way because

717
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 11: life goes on, right.

718
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 10: But it was intensely scarring.

719
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Speaker 11: I mean, and you know people who lost their loved

720
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 11: ones in the hospitals and had to say goodbye on zoom.

721
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 11: I mean, these are dehumanizing moments that the just being

722
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Speaker 11: apart from each other, which is against the natural order

723
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 11: of humanity. I mean, we haven't come to terms, I think,

724
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 11: with just absolutely how disruptive and devastating those those several

725
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 11: years were.

726
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Speaker 1: You know, it's as you're talking about this, what I'm

727
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: struck by is I was on Morning Joe, not that

728
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: we're doing MSPR here, but we can, but we can.

729
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that.

730
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I was talking to Read Hoffman and he was saying, like,

731
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: AI is going to be so great, and I was like,

732
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: you know, it seems like there's going to be unintended consequences.

733
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the unintended consequences? Because that's something

734
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: that is really right at the top of my mind

735
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: when we talk about Trump is because they're always you know,

736
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: move fast and break things, means you actually break things.

737
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Speaker 3: And I said him, what are the unintended consequences?

738
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, after the printing press there

739
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: was you know, one hundred years of war, and I

740
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: just was thinking about how advances, how these terrifying unintended consequences.

741
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Though I think with the Rioters this is actually an

742
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: intended consequence.

743
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I think we underestimate how cathartic ragees.

744
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 11: You know, having an enemy to pin your disappointments on

745
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 11: can be just a hugely relieving thing, you know, and

746
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 11: if you're living with pain or you're living in a

747
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 11: dark place, I mean there is something to be said

748
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 11: for like you go, I've been to a number of

749
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 11: Trump rallies, right, yeah, and they take on the air

750
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 11: of a religious revival, right they fill this hole. And

751
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 11: I mean, like not to get super like therapy on you,

752
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 11: but like there is something incredibly intoxicating about anger, right,

753
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 11: It's like a fueling feeling. And yeah, like I just

754
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 11: I feel like after a period of hurt, whether it's

755
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 11: just COVID or the preceding years, to just be able

756
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 11: to live in a state of rage, can be electrified.

757
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 10: And I think that's part of the appeal here.

758
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right.

759
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: And I also think it's so interesting talk to me

760
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: about the next week. You go to a radically different

761
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: place with a radically different group of people.

762
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

763
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I think the idea is to get

764
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 11: into the muscle of all of this because we taught

765
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 11: so much of the consequences and the players. All that

766
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 11: exists in the abstract. So we talk about immigration, We

767
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 11: hear about these immigration rates as like what's going on

768
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 11: with the immigrants?

769
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Speaker 9: You know?

770
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 10: And what I found was just an extraordinary amount of fear.

771
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: You know.

772
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Speaker 11: I talk to a number of people who are terrified

773
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 11: and maybe keeping their children home from school. They don't

774
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 11: know what their future next week is. But I also

775
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 11: found a community of people who are trying to understand

776
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 11: what their constitutional rights are. There's a series of seminars

777
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 11: called no Your Rights the Borders Are. Tom Holman calls

778
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 11: them how to escape arrest seminars, but they're run by

779
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 11: various community groups, and they're these kind of workshops where

780
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 11: immigrants go, they can ask questions, they get kind of

781
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 11: a strategy for how to deal with ICE agents if

782
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 11: they come in and try and arrest them. And you know,

783
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 11: they do what is called a role playing exercise where

784
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 11: one migrant will be the migrant and one will be

785
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 11: the ICE agent, and they kind of do this acting

786
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 11: exercise effectively to run through, did you a dry run

787
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 11: a test run of what it would be like to

788
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 11: be on the verge of deportation?

789
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 10: And it was so.

790
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Speaker 11: Fascinating, Molly, because on some level, these people are confronting

791
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 11: their greatest fear right, it's very scenario that their life

792
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 11: in America is on the precipice of ending right and

793
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 11: shattering everything that they've built. And the other level, they're

794
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 11: confronting it right most directly and in that way that

795
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 11: this is like one long therapy session.

796
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Speaker 1: No, it's good, I feel very very helpful to me anyway,

797
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: go on.

798
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Speaker 11: Yet, confronting your fears is a way of gaining.

799
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 10: Strength and feeling empowered.

800
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Speaker 11: And what you would see in the course of these

801
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 11: workshops is that people would start to laugh and people

802
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 11: started engaging, and they felt like they were united as one,

803
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 11: and they felt like you know when you look fear

804
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 11: right in the eye and say, Okay, I got this,

805
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 11: I can do this.

806
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 10: I know what I'm going to do. I have a plan.

807
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Speaker 11: It's the only way to manage what is right now,

808
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 11: especially an unmanageable, chaotic and totally unprettict situation. Right like

809
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 11: people don't know whether they can go to the grocery store,

810
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 11: and ge don't know whether the kids can go to school.

811
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 11: They're just like they're terrified. But if you can say

812
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 11: I know what I'm going to do, you know, it's

813
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 11: like stop, drop and roll. It's like this is the

814
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 11: order of things. It offers some sense of empowerment, it

815
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 11: offers sense of agency, and it was like, actually a

816
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 11: totally remarkable thing to see how this group of very

817
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 11: marginalized people who are largely under assault from the Trump

818
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 11: administration is managing this moment of profound fear. And in

819
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 11: a lot of ways it was weirdly hopeful, right Like

820
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 11: nobody's suggesting they're not going to get deported, but just

821
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 11: in terms of the human struggle, looking at the resilience

822
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 11: of these people, right, the people who worked their butts

823
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 11: off to come to America and continue to work their

824
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 11: butts off as the economic backbone, and who want to

825
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 11: stay in America to continue to contribute to society and

826
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 11: say almost to a person, we still love this place,

827
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 11: we still believe in this place, we believe we are equal,

828
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 11: and we know we have rights. It was really like

829
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 11: an extraordinary experience to see how they're coping with this moment.

830
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there is hope in this And I also

831
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: think that the stories of people and their real experience

832
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: are the only way we can get into what's actually happening,

833
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: because you know, the statistics don't really tell the story

834
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: that people know.

835
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 10: No, they did. Yeah, And also I think it's really important.

836
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 11: The right has a very well oiled like social media

837
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 11: machine and messaging machine around getting the garbage out, which

838
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 11: is what the arkham Mansecurity Secretary called undocumented migrants in

839
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 11: this country, and like the left has largely I think

840
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 11: because they were cowed by the twenty twenty four election results.

841
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 11: They feel like they don't have their immigration platform worked out.

842
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 11: But the vitriol that's coming from the right, the mischaracterization

843
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 11: of who these people are is being met with utter

844
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 11: silence on the left, and so honestly it's left to

845
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 11: the media to go and say, oh, but this is

846
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 11: actually who these people are.

847
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 10: They are not there.

848
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 11: I mean, it's a vanishing percentage that are actually violent criminals.

849
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 11: This majority of these people are people that are making

850
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 11: the country hup. And it's important to remind everybody of

851
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 11: the real actual narrative here and not what Trump and

852
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 11: his allies would have you believe.

853
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: Let's have two seconds on Tom Holman, because this guy

854
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: is such an interesting character and what he's doing right

855
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: now is absolutely atrocious. But he comes from Obama world, right,

856
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he has had this strange transition he was retired.

857
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think there's something that happens when you're in

858
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 11: a kind of incarceratory position.

859
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 10: Where in order to do the work.

860
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 11: You kind of need to dehumanize the people that you

861
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 11: are arresting and incarcerating. You have to begin to look

862
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 11: at them as the enemy that needs to be caught.

863
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 11: I mean, I think that's just kind of a natural

864
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 11: progression of things, right, I mean, I think cops sometimes

865
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 11: have to de humanize people. They have to think in

866
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 11: blanket terms, like I'm sure prison guards kind of do

867
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 11: the same thing, and I think if.

868
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Speaker 10: Your borders are you often do that.

869
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Speaker 11: The issue with Holman is he seems to have drunk

870
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Speaker 11: from the fountain of Maga, and the dehumanization has taken

871
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 11: on a level of cruelty and sort of like shamelessness.

872
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 11: It is a stunning portrait of like our darker selves. Right,

873
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 11: there's a zeal for capture and enthusiasm for punishment and

874
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 11: a wartlessness that seems really like a byproduct of someone

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Speaker 11: who's I don't know. It's gotten very dark in tom

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Speaker 11: Home and Land in the intervening years between Obama and

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Speaker 11: it's I think unfortunate that we have someone so seemingly

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Speaker 11: incapable of seeing the humanity in these people, who's running

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Speaker 11: the entire program.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think the same of Stephen Miller too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Steven Miller. Find someone who loves you, like Steven

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Speaker 1: Miller hates immigrants. Thank you so much, Alex, really appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: and may till you want to come back and talk

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Speaker 1: about your report.

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Speaker 3: It would be really great.

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Speaker 10: I will come back whenever you'll have me.

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Speaker 8: Molly, no moment, Andon Jesse Cannon, So Molly, yesterday we

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Speaker 8: got a first taste of a press briefing by Caroline Lovett, and.

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Speaker 2: The taste was Korean from the northern region of the

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Speaker 2: region in my Tastes.

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Speaker 1: Carolyn Levitt, Trump's new press secretary for as long as

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Speaker 1: she lasts, did a lot of the kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: we saw previous Trump press secretaries do whenever they would

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Speaker 1: have press briefings, which was not that often. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because it's like, I think of all the

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Speaker 1: people in Trump World, like, will she end up going

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Speaker 1: against Trump and will I end up interviewing her on

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Speaker 1: this podcast or will she go along with and end

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Speaker 1: up on Fox News. It's a real choose your own

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Speaker 1: adventure for Carolyn Levitt. She is at this job to

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Speaker 1: humiliate the press, to elevate right wing figures, to spread lies,

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Speaker 1: to be hostile. You know, she has this job for

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Speaker 1: one reason, right, So we shouldn't be surprised, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens and so but she is our

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Speaker 1: moment of fun Gray.

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Speaker 2: Can I make a third wager on where she ends up? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: This is my wild card televangelist.

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Speaker 3: Very nice, not impossible.

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