1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Caviar Food Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: My guest today is Todd Or is an editor and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: daily contributor to The Steve Dace Show on Blaze TV. Hi, 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Todd's so nice to have you on. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: It's a privilege. This is going to be fun. Thanks 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: for asking. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Well, I've been noticing recently and I thought it was 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: really funny and I wanted to talk to you about it. 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: You have a problem with sports. You don't like sports, 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: and you kind of make fun of people who do. 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Is that true? 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Well, I make fun of people who do too much, 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: but I'm doing it because I'm trying to save them 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: from themselves. I actually love sports. That's oh yeah, So 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: this is going to be a fun rabbit hole to 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: go down to. I'm glad you're asking. 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: So tell me about it. What's the problem? People just 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: are too into it? 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: Well, for sure, I mean, it's a gigantic idol and 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: it's making American men, and not just American men, but 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: I live here, so that's what's important to me. It's 22 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: making American men very very passive and shallow. But listen, 23 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: I grew up playing sports, and one of the other 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: issues we end up talking about in terms of your questions, 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: I will address that with more specificity. Is one of 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: my regrets. But I went after college. I went to 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: professional umpire school, and I graduated at the top of 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: my class. So I umpired minor league baseball for a season. 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: I got invited back for a second one, and I 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: just moved onto other things. I'm the father of four daughters. 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: The two oldest ones are in college, and both of 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: them are athletes in college, and the other two play 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: in high school. So I absolutely love sports, but it 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: is supposed to be something that elevates us and instead 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: the modern American male. Ultimately, there's a great meme out 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: there about Mel Gibson as William Wallace is face screaming 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: and what happens when my team loses? And then right 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: below it it shows a sheep and what happens when 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: you know my country has taken away from me? And 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: so that's the problem. We're not supposed to care that 41 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: much about this and let everything else fall by the wayside. 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: And I once I saw this, I couldn't unsee it. 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: A lot of our modern American problems have to do 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: with men, not only with sports. I call them the 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: sports pros, but they're they're too consumed with Marvel superheroes, 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: they're too consumed with playing video games. I mean, we 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: had all those fantastic Marvel movies, yea, all that heroism 48 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: had informed us going out into the real world, and 49 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: then made sure COVID didn't use an abuses like it 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: did our borders, all manner of issues the entire Biden administration. 51 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: But instead they made us couch potatoes. We just go 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: down into our man cave and we're voyeurs. We're actually, 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: I've used the term, we're actually cuckolded by this whole thing. Yeah. 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: I like watching other people do it, but god forbid, 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: I actually get into the arena and we have a 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: lot of systemic problems because I think we don't realize that. 57 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: Do you think it's because people feel like they're doing 58 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: something now with sports, Like you used to watch sports, 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: but now it's like you do fantasy football, or you 60 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: feel like you're involved. Gambling has become obviously sports gambling 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: is as is through the roof, Like does it give 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: people Like I say this about online dating a lot. 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: I feel like people don't move from online dating to 64 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: real life dating because they feel like they're dating, but 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: they're really not, and it's it's sort of the sensation 66 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: of doing something without actually doing anything. 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: It's that bad and worse. And I think I'd never 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: thought about it in terms of the online dating world, 69 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: but I think you're probably right about that because these 70 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: guys they talk about my team, they're so invested on 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: the amount of time, talent, and treasure they spend in 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: following their team and buying their merchandise and wearing their 73 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: jerseys and getting all of the subscriptions that they need 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: to watch and get on all the online chats and 75 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: making sure involved they absolutely consider themselves to be part 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: of the team. And these are grown men. It's one 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: thing when you're doing that as a young man, but 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: when you are a grown man and you're spending that 79 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: much time, talent, and treasure, not only is a lot 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: of the society going by the wayside, but quite frankly, 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: this is what your wife and kids are seeing. This 82 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: is the man and the home, and I'm watching how 83 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: his emotional filter is totally driven to this thing, and 84 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: it affects everything around you. It affects your relationships. Again, 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: I firmly believe it affects how children are being fathered 86 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of fathers that this. They can 87 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: only get to everything else after these boxes get checked. 88 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: And the amount of hours in the day that they 89 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: give to this. I mean, right now, there's a countdown 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: clock all summer long. Football seasons come and football seasons come, 91 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's making men really soft and s. But 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: they actually think they're part of the team. And they'll 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: tell you that I'm not making this up. They will 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: tell you that they care more about it than the players. 95 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: How dare you not care about his meat? Might I 96 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: suggest that if you care about this more than the players, 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: it might be a you problem. 98 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: So do you watch any football? 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: Oh? Yes I do, but it's not even close to 100 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: a priority in my life. There's not up to including 101 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: you know, the Super Bowl, everything like that. If they 102 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: there's any number of things that can take priority over it. 103 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: If I have nothing else to do that day, and 104 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: we're hanging around on a cool November and there's you, 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: we're cooking chili and just hanging out. My wife's reading 106 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: on the couch. We don't have no errands. Yes, because 107 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: I do foot football sports in general. It's fun. I love, right, 108 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: But like I'd much rather watch my daughters, yeah, in 109 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: their soccer games or their track meets. That's but I 110 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: there's there's real they know me, I know them. We've 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: been in this together. We've built that. Those people on 112 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: those football teams, they don't know you, they don't care 113 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: who you are. You're not supposed to be that invested 114 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: in this, right, You're not supposed You're not supposed to 115 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: have your literally emotional well being tied to it as 116 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: much as it is while the rest of the country is, 117 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, in New York voting for may or whoever 118 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: this guy is. That's why this is happening a lot. 119 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: They've just they've got other things to do. They've got 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: as long as the Jets and the Yankees stay on schedule. 121 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: Whatever, right, Mickey Mannle doesn't pay your rent. As the 122 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: line went in a Bronx tail, if you've ever. 123 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: Seen Wow good poll. 124 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah es, So how did you get into this media world? 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: Umpire school? These usually not part of the story. 126 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: No, No, I got into this media world to uh, 127 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: kind of through the back door. But I was a 128 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: reporter at the Des Moines Register for twelve years and 129 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: I didn't progress along very well because when you're me 130 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: in a very liberal newsroom, you just kind of first 131 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: you just get ignored and tolerated, and then by the 132 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: end you have to be purged. And that's ultimately what happened. 133 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: But I live in the same town as Steve Dason. 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: We got to know each other and then we got 135 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: to be uh friends, and uh so now we have 136 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: been doing this together for it's a decade and it's 137 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. 138 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: Did you always want to be in media? 139 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: I always wanted to be involved in politics on some level. 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: It wasn't I'm not I'm not a journalist. I hate 141 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: that word it I got. Thank god I never went 142 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: to journalism school because yeah, yeah, look what it does 143 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: to people just more utter morons. You end up being 144 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: Jake Tapper and nobody wants that. Uh So, no, I 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: I but I wanted to be. I mean, I I'd 146 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: like the idea of running for U political office someday. 147 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: I like being on this side of it. I did 148 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: enjoy being uh local political reporter, but I like I 149 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: like that entire world. Uh that calling. One of the 150 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: questions you have, I think that we're going to talk 151 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: about later on, is you know, advice for having a 152 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: better life. I think a lot of it has to 153 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: do with citizenship. Basically, it's an honor to be an American, 154 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: and I don't like I don't like taking it for granted. 155 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: And I saw, these are the gifts and the talents 156 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: God gave me to be involved in it on some level. 157 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: So why didn't umpire school? Why didn't you stay in 158 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: the umpire world? 159 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those I don't have any regrets. 160 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: And I love because again going back to the sports 161 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: thing I love. Yeah, I love sports, and my main 162 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: love was baseball, and I wanted I wanted to be 163 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: involved in at the highest level possible. And it wasn't 164 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: going to be as a player. I mean I wasn't 165 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: good enough to play college or anything like that. But 166 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: also once you get in there and you check the 167 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: box and you realize the realities of it, and you 168 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: meet some of the people, and while I hadn't met 169 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: my wife at that time, it doesn't really lend itself 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: to being the dad, the husband and the dad I 171 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: wanted to eventually be all that time on the road, 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: so I did it again. I graduated at the one 173 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: of the in the top of my class, and so 174 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: that was enough for me. 175 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: Any path not taken, any Plan B that you had 176 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: that you didn't pursue. 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: Oh no, really, the fact that I'm here doing what 178 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: I'm doing with Steve. I mean we were just at 179 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: the White House not very long ago. Steve just interviewed 180 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: the Vice President yesterday, visited him a couple of months 181 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: when we were out there. No, this is I'm never 182 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: going to look that gift horse in the mouth. I'm 183 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: doing more than I deserve, and it's an absolute blast. 184 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: I love that. I love how you talk about your job, 185 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: as you know, I like a calling and just really 186 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: something that is giving back. I really love that perspective. 187 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it keeps you, he keeps you honest, because, as 188 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: you know, there is a lot of selling out in 189 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: this business, saying whatever needs to be said in order 190 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: to what you've view is getting ahead, being popular. But 191 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: we really enjoy we enjoy the fight more than anything else, 192 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: the fight for the good, the true, and the beautiful. 193 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: We talk about that a lot. Keeping the first things 194 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: first and so how many I mean, one way or 195 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: the other, you have to pay the bills in this world, 196 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: and you and I get to do it in a 197 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: pretty cool way. Not everybody gets to say that, and 198 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: I would. I hope people when they tune into our 199 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: show they see that. And we just we were just 200 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: in LA this weekend for a function and got to 201 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: do a meet and greet and the people the kindness 202 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: from them and saying thank you for helping us. Steve 203 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: and I wrote a book together, Fauci and Bargain during COVID. 204 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: It was the number one best seller in the country. 205 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: And the people send letters about you know, I would 206 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: have been nowhere if you guys had not broken help 207 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 2: us break through the chaos and things like that. So 208 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: that's that's deeply meaningful that we can have that relationship. 209 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to turn into us for like 210 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: talking points memo, not that there's not messaging is really important. 211 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: We're pretty darn good messengers. But ultimately there has to 212 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: be you know, poor baseline principles that you were willing 213 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: to fight for through thick and thin, because they're just 214 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: existentially important, and we we take those for granted very 215 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: much in this modern American world. What do you worry about, Oh, well, 216 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: that's you. You already went there with this quite I 217 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: genuinely it's not just a shtick. It's my way of 218 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I do it with comedy and I. 219 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny, it's very funny. Like I 220 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: when I see those tweets, I like smile to myself. 221 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, a. 222 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Lot of it enrages a lot of the guys. They 223 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: can't stand it. But I just then I know I'm 224 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: over the target and I'll do it responding to like 225 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: they'll you know, there's a lot of exicounts that are 226 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: like philosophical quotes and things like that, really deep stuff, 227 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: and then I'll just come over the top rope with 228 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: the the funny sports bro thing and things like that. 229 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: Just but I worry about it because we can't. We 230 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: can't autopilot this thing called America. It's it's we the people, 231 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: and when our comforts and our idols and our passions 232 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: become too distracting. I mean, look what we went through 233 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: over the last four years, not because it was democrat 234 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: versus a Republican. I mean, there's just they they are 235 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: all kinds of They were they were shutting us down, 236 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: they were canceling us, they were imprisoning us. They were 237 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: there was no due process, they were poisoning us. We 238 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 2: can't do that again. It's gonna take more from your 239 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: average I'm just I'm a average American male. So the 240 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: gals have their own problems and sometimes talk about that too, 241 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: and you're free to tell me what those are. But 242 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: like my guys, dads, men, we are way too comfortable. 243 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: We're just constantly looking to be left and known. A 244 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: lot of people who think they talk big on X 245 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: but they're behind anonymous accounts, And it's not that I don't, 246 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: and they're saying I have to protect you know, my business, 247 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: my family, things like that. It's not that I'm entirely 248 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: unsympathetic to that. But if you give up that principle 249 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: like I have to stay anonymous as your fundamental default, 250 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: you're conceding a lot of the game. But all of 251 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: us were just like, no, this is who we are, 252 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: and over my dead body, are you going to you know, 253 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: instead of going to the game where the boy is 254 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 2: competing against your daughter and you just sit there and 255 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: I say, I can't say anything. I got to be anonymous. 256 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: It's the same mindset because somebody might say a mean 257 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: thing about me or might get back to my boss 258 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: at work. The game is over, You've already lost, sooner 259 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: or later you lost, and way too many people men. 260 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: Why is there moms for liberty and dads for liberty? 261 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: Why are the moms having to carry all that weight 262 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: while the dads just say, well, you don't know, I 263 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: might have to be called into human resources. That's just 264 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: that's no way to live. And absolutely, I'm just I'm 265 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: naturally wired that way, I admit. I mean, it's not 266 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: hard for me to just say, yeah, screw you, screw you, 267 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: and screw you. But it's I don't know what the 268 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: critical masses of man it's going to take to change things, 269 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: but it's more than we have now. You got to 270 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: get in the game, and that that very much worries me. 271 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Especially during COVID. It was there were so many people, 272 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean famous people, names you'd know in my DM 273 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: saying I love what you're saying on opening schools. I 274 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: personally can't speak out on opening schools obviously, but I 275 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: like that you're saying it. And it was so galling, 276 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: like these people just expected other people to carry that 277 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: weight for them and to forge the fights for them 278 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: while they stayed in the background and kind of kept 279 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: their hands clean. And that was about their own children. 280 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: It was like, yes, yes, If they couldn't defend their 281 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: own children, what can they defend exactly? 282 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: And when the other side knows those are the chains 283 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: you're attached to and they do, they will continue to 284 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: get away with it. We've been talking a lot recently 285 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: about how the Pride Month has been more subdued in 286 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: the past, and it has. But what one of the 287 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: biggest businesses in the entire country that came out on 288 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Day one and celebrated as hard as ever before was 289 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: the NFL. Right, that's the man's man's games. Sports Bro's everywhere. 290 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: And here's why. It's because of what you're talking about. 291 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: The NFL knows that it's over their dead body that 292 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: sports Bro is going to stop watching twelve games on 293 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: the weekend, including college football. They're they're cultish like that, 294 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: and that's the problem. 295 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: If they're not worried about losing their audience, they're like. 296 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: They aren't at all. That's a and that's a huge problem. 297 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: And that audience is a bunch of able bodied men 298 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: who should be the one saying, you know what, yeah, 299 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: you're absolutely not trans and the kids. That's not gonna happen. 300 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: I don't care. You're gonna we're gonna walk out onto 301 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: the track, We're gonna walk out under the field. You're 302 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: gonna have to arrest us all. But we're not even 303 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: close to that because Atlanta just they're protecting. They think 304 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: they're they're protecting something vital, and actually they're they're guaranteeing 305 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: a loss. Sooner or later, we're. 306 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Gonna take a quick break and be right back on 307 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would you give your 308 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: sixteen year old self having to do it all over again? 309 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, because I like with umpire school, moving out west, 310 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: I always wanted to live in the Rocky Mountains, so 311 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: I did. I don't have many regrets about not doing 312 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: the thing, but I liked your questions and I wanted 313 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: them to be as organic as possible. And here's one 314 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: that I really have. I didn't wrestle, and because that's 315 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: the one sport that I think I could have done, 316 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: I was if you on the playgrounding. I mean, guys 317 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 2: are very young, Guys are very passive these days, but 318 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: we used to, you know, with your buddies testing each 319 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: other out, you know, getting into scraps things like that, 320 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: And I was always really good at it, but formalizing it, 321 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: I looked, I just said, I'm going to pass, and 322 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: I think I could have actually gotten. That's one sport. 323 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: I think I could have gotten to college scholarship. 324 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: And what made you pass? 325 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: What was the I just I chose? And I talk 326 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: about this all the time on the show, that being 327 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 2: a male is not a leisure pursuit, it's you're and 328 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: way too many men these days, of all ages, including 329 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: high school kids, default to that that's a really hard sport. Yeah, 330 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: and I don't to this day. I don't know why 331 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: I didn't take it on, but it's it every once 332 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 2: in a while. And I live in Iowa and it's 333 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 2: a huge sport here. And I think had I gone in, 334 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: you know, mind, body soul relationships, had I I gotten 335 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: on that matt over and over again, one on one 336 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: and tested myself, I'll never know what that might have 337 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: brought out of me. And I've done a lot of 338 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: other things where I've made sure I was certain. I mean, 339 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: for example, like when I did work at the Dewines Register. 340 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: I got arrested during the floods of two thousand and 341 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: eight while doing my job. The police knew they screwed up, 342 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: made up false charges against me. The pol Kanie attorney 343 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: didn't like the des Moines Register and just thought I 344 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: was a big lib like everybody else that really threw 345 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: everything at me. I was offered these Alfred pleas and 346 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: things to make it go away. I said, no way, 347 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: we're doing this. I didn't do anything wrong, and I 348 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: ended up winning the case. And so I love that. 349 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: I have a very romantic notion about like challenging myself, 350 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: standing in the gap, doing what must be done. But 351 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: somehow I passed on that, and I think because that's 352 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: one part of me where somehow the soft suburban kid 353 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: just let let the challenge pass me by. And so 354 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: really I don't have many regrets. And I wanted to 355 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: take you seriously, but yeah, and this is it's morts 356 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: is important, it really, but it's supposed to elevate, and 357 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: I passed on an opportunity to have my life elevated. 358 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: You know, I was going to say this to you 359 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: after the show, but I may as well say it 360 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: on the program. But you have to write a book 361 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: about how to be a man. And I think so 362 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: much to say I just think it. I I just 363 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: I could picture the marketing, you know, data Four Girls 364 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: tells Men how to be men. I love it, like, 365 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: I think you have that book in you. 366 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: That's kind of you. And I'd be lying if I 367 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: said I haven't thought about it. You should, But I've 368 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: based on how it's received on X, I think I 369 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: have more hater then I do have fans. I don't 370 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: know how much product I would sell on that front, 371 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: because it's not. 372 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: Just going to be you know, sports. Don't let sports 373 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: take over your life. But you know, I could just 374 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: picture a kind of blueprint plan for how to be 375 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: a modern man. Men are, you know, really struggling with 376 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: what they're supposed to be right now? And I think 377 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: I could just see a totters in book. I really can. 378 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: That's very kind of you. But I get way more 379 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: women saying that, I think than they're in lies. Part 380 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: of the problem interesting. 381 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: Maybe the women will buy the book for their men. 382 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: It took my wife I've been married twenty three years now, 383 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: and it was funny. It was just like, I don't know, 384 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: eight years ago or so now, that she actually looked 385 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: at me and said, you really don't care if people 386 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 2: don't like you, do you? And I said, yeah, we're 387 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: all right, We're finally on the same page. There we go. 388 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: Well, I have loved this conversation. I've loved getting to 389 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: know you. I feel like I opened some doors that 390 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to open. Here. Leave us here year 391 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: with your best tip for my listeners on how they 392 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: can improve their lives. 393 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: Well, I've had a lot of fun too, and I'll 394 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: have to say I'll have We'll have to return uh 395 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: the favor and have you on our show. I book 396 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: the show awesome. Just yeah, email me something you want 397 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: to blab about sometime and we'll make that happen. Well, here, 398 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: this is a a very weird way. And to get 399 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: into answering this question, my advice is be very serious, 400 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: and this is male or female, about whether you identify 401 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: as a citizen or a consumer. And if you are, 402 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: if you are serious about determining that, it will make 403 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: a lot of decisions for you. It will get your narcissism, 404 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: your anxiety, your motions out of the way, because these 405 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: are the things that have been classically studied forever. What 406 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: are my duties within the polus? You know, the Democratic 407 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: Republicans of deciding this the whole time and here's here's 408 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: a way that I it's scarred Psyche. So if it's 409 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: got as yours, I think there's a success. Have you 410 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: ever seen that show Black Mirror? 411 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: No, I haven't. 412 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a it's been around for a while and 413 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: they do a lot of different standalone episodes that are 414 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: basically very uh dystopian or wellian, like what would happen if? 415 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: And I've only watched one and it was so well 416 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: done it totally broke me. And I'll never watch I'll 417 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: never wauch another one. But here, okay, so this is 418 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: here's the premise of this. This show was the British 419 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: Prime Minister. There was a kidnapping of somebody. Uh, and 420 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: the kidnapper approached the British Prime Minister and said, I 421 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: am going to kill the person I kidnapped. And here, folks, 422 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: if you're listening, and uh, for a second, this isn't 423 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: going to be a PJ show. But they demanded as 424 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: the price for releasing the person that the Prime Minister 425 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: have literally have sex with a pig. Yes, I know 426 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: it's bizarre, but if you've watched this is a semi 427 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: a pretty popular show, and so the whole thing then 428 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: becomes this social media craze about Willie here, Wonie should 429 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: he hear, shouldn'ty? And everything is about the becomes about 430 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: the consumer sensational appetite instead about being citizens, so much 431 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: so that the kidnapper ultimately is doing this as a 432 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: social experiment. He more than being just wanting the blood 433 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: and guts. And he proves this point at the end 434 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 2: when the the the British Prime Minister actually says I 435 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: can't let this kid die. I'm going to do it, 436 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: and he does it. You don't see it as the 437 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: person watching in real life, but he does it on 438 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: live television because that's part of the condition. It actually happens, 439 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: and the streets are emptied out and everybody is inside 440 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: in there in bars watching it like it's yes, like 441 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 2: it's the big game. I know, but everybody's watching it. 442 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: And the streets are so empty that the kidnapper just 443 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: drives up in a van in the middle of London, 444 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: the streets are totally empty, drops off the person that 445 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: he kidnapped and drives away and that's the last scene. 446 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: And I thought it was so powerfully done. I know 447 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: that's weird, but it's stuck with you forever. But because 448 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: it just goes to show that we can be manipulated 449 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: as people in our comfort, in our wanting to be 450 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: part of the crowd, what everybody's doing. That's exactly what 451 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: happened to us to COVID. Look at a lot of 452 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: people just take the jab, wear the mask because it 453 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: made them. They were manipulated to belong. And I really 454 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 2: think that it's largely because in being educated first as 455 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 2: children and then in keeping up to speed as citizens, 456 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: we don't ask ourselves what the real duties of citizenship. 457 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: The level of discernment the hero is in that requires 458 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: because true citizens never on every level, both the elected 459 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 2: ones and the vote, none of them would ever have 460 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: been to be played by like a super a super 461 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: villain like that. They if you let, if you let 462 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: evil be the only one that understands the true cosmic 463 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: forces going on the world, and everybody else just I 464 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 2: gotta I'm working for the weekend. If that's it, it's 465 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: really sooner or later we are going to be just 466 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: like the Romans. This whole experiment and representative democracy is. 467 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: And just because we not only did we not want 468 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: the duties of citizenship, we actually resented them. We're like, 469 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: how dare you tell me that? I have to raise 470 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: the bar on my own life, And so that's what 471 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: I do with sports Row. I'm actually think at the 472 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: end of the day and being pretty gentle about it 473 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: because it's just my fun way of poking at men, like, 474 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: come on, I'm not asking you to to, you know, 475 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: storm the beaches of Normandy. I'm just like saying, like, 476 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 2: actually go to the school board meeting and look them 477 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 2: in the eye and say, yeah, that's not happening here. 478 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like too much to ask. 479 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: I agree. I love this and I really think you're 480 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: a fascinating person. He is todd Erzen. Check him out 481 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: on the Steve Days Show. Thank you so much for coming. 482 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: On, Todd, It's been a privilege. Thank you so much. Carol, 483 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: I have a new friend.