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Speaker 1: Last Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday we recap oled shows with all new commentary,

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Speaker 2: updates and insights, and as of this week, we have

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Speaker 2: been doing those shows for ten years.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Happy tenth anniversary to us, to you guys,

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Speaker 1: to everybody. Hey, today we're recapping episode seventy.

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Speaker 3: Nine, Oh a Little Baby.

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Speaker 1: Which we named sharpest Needle in the Tack, which is

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Speaker 1: definitely something I.

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Speaker 2: Said, but that really sounds like a Georgia ism, it does.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out July twenty seventh, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's listen to the intro of episode seventy nine. Hi,

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Speaker 3: listen to my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: This is the podcast where we tell you true crimes

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Speaker 2: and horrible things that have happened to good people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a little about ourselves sometimes when we oh,

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Speaker 3: just a touch about ourselves when we feel like going

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Speaker 3: on a tangent.

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Speaker 2: Which is every single episode for a minimum forty nine minutes,

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Speaker 2: it sprinkled throughout.

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Speaker 3: Get ready.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so we don't just keep it at the top.

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Speaker 2: We'll put in the middle and then also at the end.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, look, look, and listen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we should probably start with the biggest announcement

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Speaker 2: and the one that people constantly tweet us about and

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Speaker 2: ask us about.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your interest.

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Speaker 2: We are going on tour again and we are now

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Speaker 2: going to announce the dates of our Australian and American tour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you ready to hear what we're doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Australia you know already. But we're adding a couple shows. Actually,

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Speaker 1: so New Zealand Auckland is there are still tickets available.

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Speaker 1: It's on Wednesday, September sixteenth, and then September sixth, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, Wendy. September sixth, the beginning of September.

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Speaker 1: And then we're adding shows in Melbourne and Sydney because

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Speaker 1: we have two shows in each and they sold or

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Speaker 1: one or they sold out. So September tenth in Melbourne

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Speaker 1: at the Comedy Theater, Melbourne and September twelfth in Sydney, Australia.

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Speaker 3: There's another show at the at the Opera House. At

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Speaker 3: the Sydney Opera House side room. We're in the jazz room. No,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, and we're actually in the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: We're just going to be in the bathroom. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: If you want to come and talk to us at

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Speaker 2: the Sydney Opera House, we're going to be loitering in

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Speaker 2: the women's bathroom from nine tou weel.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a chamber orchestra that night, but we'll be

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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Yes, I'm really excited about a lot

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Speaker 1: of these cities, and I won't say which ones. I

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Speaker 1: was about to say which ones I'm that would be

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Speaker 1: great to.

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Speaker 3: Not for you to not say what you aren't looking

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Speaker 3: forward to. I'm not going to do that. Okay, what

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Speaker 3: else do you have? You got nothing? No, I have

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Speaker 3: a thing or two. Let's hear it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well it's all just like my rambling. But my

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Speaker 1: brother was on a jury where someone died. It was

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Speaker 1: was telling me, my seven year old nephew was like

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Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, he knows about it.

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Speaker 1: How cuye would it be if I had I recorded

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Speaker 1: him talking about it a hometown and so I was like, Micah,

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Speaker 1: tell me what happened and he was just like, well,

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Speaker 1: someone died.

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Speaker 3: It was so depressing that I was like, well, I'm okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: not flaying that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's sad. Yeah, yeah, I don't think seven. So

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Speaker 2: I'm last night at a show I did. Someone's like,

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Speaker 2: oh my nine and ten year old nieces love your show.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's ron chilling. I don't think that's

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Speaker 3: good at all. Nine and ten year olds turned this off. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he was a couple of listeners, some awesome orderinos that

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Speaker 2: One of the guys, I'm sorry, I can't remember your name.

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Speaker 2: He goes, that's around the time I started getting interested

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Speaker 2: in true crime. And then I was like, oh, okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: That's true. I guess right. Yeah, I think for me

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Speaker 1: And it's like the even though it's not true crime,

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Speaker 1: and actually, speaking of children, this girl named Sarah underscore

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Speaker 3: She snamed her own bat ted bunty all on her own.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, that's fucking incredible. Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean Georgia so loves Upon. I love Upon, and

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Speaker 3: I love a nine year old you know, I love baseball.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's everything, you love, love everything. If only

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Speaker 2: that little girl had a vintage dress of all she

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Speaker 2: did that.

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Speaker 3: Lose my mind? Later, Uh, well, I got a tweet

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Speaker 2: Found very interesting, and it's like, this is the kind

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Speaker 3: That we like to have.

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Speaker 2: It was the Coastal Horizons Rape Crisis Center in Wilmington,

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Speaker 2: North CA sent to tweet. So they basically said, hey, ladies,

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Speaker 2: big fans of your podcast. However, we were disappointed to

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Speaker 2: hear the unintentional victim blaming that took place on the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty twenty episode re Covering Your Drinks. The onus

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Speaker 2: is never on the victim to stop an assault. We

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Speaker 2: need to have a culture shift where instead of telling

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Speaker 2: victims what to do or not to do, tell purpse, hey,

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Speaker 2: don't rape people.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Also, drug is.

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Speaker 2: The number of alcohol is the number one drug used

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Speaker 3: Not rufees.

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Speaker 2: In parentheses, not saying it doesn't happen, but misinformation can

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Speaker 2: unintentionally compound victims trauma. We are a rape crisis center

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Speaker 2: in Wilmington, North Carolina, and we frequently hear victims blaming

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Speaker 2: themselves because they quote, did everything right, my friend watched

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Speaker 2: my drink, et cetera, and they are still assaulted. So

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Speaker 2: just wanted to let you all know, love your work,

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Speaker 2: which I think is such a good point totally Obviously

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Speaker 2: it's not like we need to make excuses, but when

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Speaker 2: we were having that conversation, we were coming from that

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Speaker 2: that point of view, which is very for me, it's very.

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Speaker 3: Eighties of like you have to you have to like

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Speaker 2: You can be the most aware, you can be the

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Speaker 2: most you know responsible all these things, and then something

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Speaker 2: can happen to you. Yeah, and we never want people

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Speaker 1: So that they're to blame, because that that hurt me

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Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't cover their drink like we're telling

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Speaker 1: it's usually alcohol, not it's just alcohol. It's not like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a very common thing that people use all

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Speaker 3: And it's the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: thank you for the correction because that's a really good point,

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Speaker 2: and that really is you know, please raise your sons

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Speaker 3: That would be great, Yeah, that would be awesome. Did

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Speaker 3: you see the trailer for the movie My friend Dom?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Holy shit, Oh my god, we're we're not being paid.

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Speaker 3: We should be.

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Speaker 1: I want to see it today. I know it looks

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Speaker 1: not it doesn't say that there's anything about him being

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Speaker 3: That's not what the book's about. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I only I don't think it is, because I feel

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the story of him.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's him in high school and basically

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Speaker 1: I think it's going on the idea that you already

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Speaker 3: It and kind of teenage Dahmer. Yeah, it looks and

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Speaker 1: It almost looks like if Napoleon Dynamite was like a

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Speaker 3: Which I love when people. I love those those I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fucking love as a rom com or like

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's the Soulisbury, the Peter Gabriel song

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Speaker 4: Sulisbury Hill, Yes, something like that.

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Speaker 3: Salisbury Hillsbury Hill, Okay, because I thought saying Salisbury was

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Speaker 3: clearly going to be wrong, so I didn't say it.

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Speaker 1: You were scared to risk it. Yeah, nice steak got

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Speaker 1: you Salisbury Steak and all that.

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Speaker 3: You know, that beautiful Peter Peter Gabriel song, Well up

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Speaker 3: on Salisbury's Steak. I love that song. It's so like

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Speaker 3: there's those weird and I don't know what instrument it.

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Speaker 1: Is, but it's like ooo, like he's blowing into a windpipe.

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Speaker 3: Is that a thing? Or like what was the one

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Speaker 3: who had to play it as a kid a recorder?

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Speaker 3: I love Peter Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: Salisbury Hill, Salisbury's Steak, Salisbury's Steak.

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Speaker 1: All that is misinformation, that's diary of misinformation.

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Speaker 3: Wait what were we telling you? Uh? Oh, Jeffrey's over.

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Speaker 1: Fucking If you have if you're an editor, if you

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Speaker 1: have the time, yes, if you care, could you.

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Speaker 3: Please make Napoley dyn White into it. I bet you

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Speaker 3: know a hairy movie with the soundtrack.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's pretty caretible.

442
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: Well then we go from that to an elvis health scare,

443
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: which is just like he was so cold, that old cat.

444
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't that old yet, He wasn't old enough yet.

445
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: I remember saying to him, dude, just get me to sixteen.

446
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: How old I thought he was in his teens.

447
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 3: He probably, Yeah, I guess it was like I don't know,

448
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: I think it was like eleven or twelve then, oh

449
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 3: so to me, that's not that old.

450
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 1: But no, I Dottie, poor little sweet Dotty just like

451
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 1: fucking came in with influenza the Black Death and made

452
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: everyone finently ill.

453
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 3: Like no wonder. Mimi fucking hates her now. She's like, bitch,

454
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 3: you almost killed me. But Dotty's made up for it

455
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 3: by being the sweetest fucking cat on the planet.

456
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very sweet. Also, I think Mimi would have

457
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: had a problem no matter what. She's just using the

458
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: flu as an excuse.

459
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, remember like if she had killed Elvis, Like, could

460
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 3: I have kept Dottie?

461
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty it's heavy to say she killed him.

462
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: It's like it's the way it all arms. And I'm

463
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: totally kidding, like never you're kind of saying in the

464
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: uh it flowers in the attic way of would you

465
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: have been evil to that cat because you would always

466
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: secretly somehow blame her.

467
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my friend said to me recently, because

469
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: Mimi's getting older, she's having health problems, and we were

470
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 1: like presented with this really complicated way that she could

471
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: be helped. And I was like, I don't She's so fragile.

472
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't think she could deal with it. I don't

473
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: think she should like go through it. And then my

474
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: friend goes, you'd have done it for Elvis?

475
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: Oh, like, how dare you?

476
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: And then she goes, however, wait what did she say?

477
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 1: She said, Oh, you would have pet cemeteried Elvis. So

478
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: it's not really the same thing.

479
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing like your first pet. It's just

480
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: a whole different Yeah, it's a whole different thing.

481
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I'm not not getting her taken care of.

482
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: I promise you this.

483
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: I'm doing everything I can for I feel like Mimi

484
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: is just the female Elvis, and Mimi's been in my

485
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: started reading the book when Elvis and Mimi were like

486
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: neck and neck. It was just like then he it

487
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: was like suddenly he was at peril and it felt

488
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: like Mimi, although in a bad mood, wasn't we weren't

489
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: going to lose her.

490
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 3: Of course not. But he'd always been number one.

491
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really had, you know, I mean, look, it's

492
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: your firstborn son.

493
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: Awesome. Yeah, you know what I mean. Not that I

494
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: would do anything for MEMI. But that's true, I would

495
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: fucking pet Semetery Elvis.

496
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: It's very brave of you to keep friends around her,

497
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: going to be that honest with you.

498
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: She can't hear anything anymore. So it's okay.

499
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing, old pets. God, we can

500
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: talk about it forever.

501
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 3: All right. Oh this story that I did this episode

502
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: is just a classic and it's so confusing. The collar

503
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: bomb heist remember, Oh yes, yes, yes, that's such a

504
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: like all over the place story. I'm excited to hear

505
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: myself cover it.

506
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's do it right now. Let's get into

507
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 2: Georgia's story about the collar bomb heist.

508
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: Uh okay, so I go first, I just forgot all right,

509
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: this is the story of the collar bomb heist.

510
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 3: Okay, awesome. You don't know what I don't even really

511
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: know what you just said.

512
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: Okay, it's the story of the caller so a collar

513
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: bomb meaning like a caller around her neck collar bomb?

514
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: Is this a woman and her daughter? No? Okay, heist?

515
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: And I just want to up top say that there

516
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: is an article called but in Wired by A Rich

517
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: Shapiro that has a really good overview everything happened so

518
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: I used a lot of his information and I just

519
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: wanted to give him props for that, and it happened.

520
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: He wrote it in twenty ten, so there's a little

521
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: bit of updates since then. But so we're in Erie, Pennsylvania.

522
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: I looked up on my favorite murder email to see

523
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: if anyone had talked about it, and it's from their town,

524
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: and a girl named Jessica A said, the winters are terrible,

525
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: and the summers are filled with water sports on the

526
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: lake and lots and lots of drinking. In fact, you

527
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: will find either a church or a bar at every

528
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: corner well, which I think describes as town really well

529
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: all right. August twenty eighth, two thousand and three, at

530
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: two twenty eight pm, a forty six year old local

531
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: man named Brian Wells walks into a PNC bank in

532
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: Eerie and passes the teller a note. The note says,

533
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: gather employees with your access with access codes to the vault,

534
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: and work fast to fill this bag with twenty five

535
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You only have fifteen minutes. Then he lifts

536
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: his shirt to show the teller a handcuff like collar

537
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: attached to his neck, and according to the note.

538
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: It's a bomb. Oh fuck.

539
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: The bomb's like a DIY homemade device. It's got a

540
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: metal collar attached around Wells's neck like a handcuff, and

541
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: they are two There are keyholes and a combination lock,

542
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: as well as baking timers and two six inch pipe bombs.

543
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: Oh baking timer, yeah, you mean like the white ones

544
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: that you turn that your mom's like, you have five

545
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: minutes sitting at chair. I love that.

546
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: It's never used for banking. It's for fucking kinnished baking.

547
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: It's for punishing your children, yes, exactly.

548
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: Or just being like, oh I have to do something

549
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: in ten Yeah, no, good timer. Nobody bakes that is okay.

550
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: How disturbing as you're You're that teller stayed up really

551
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: late the night before, drinking wine with your friends. You

552
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: roll in, You're like, I'm going to power through this day. Yeah,

553
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: and they'll be fine. Yeah, because I'm going to go

554
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: out drinking with my friends again.

555
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

556
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: And a guy walks up I imagine sweating profusely.

557
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

558
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: And like if a guy walks up to you in

559
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: your tailer and passes you a note, you're like, fuck,

560
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: it's not.

561
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: Going to say like, hey, how are you I lost

562
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: my voice? I'm Elvis.

563
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm here too with throw some cookies and no, no, no,

564
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: it's all bad.

565
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: Always bad with a note, Yeah, always bad. With a

566
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: guy that has to.

567
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: Pull up his shirt to prove a point, and he's like,

568
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: clearly there's something bulging in his shirt collar and.

569
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: He has he has a shirt on his neck is

570
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: really thick.

571
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks I bet it would look like he

572
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: has like a trake, trachy trake, tcky out of me,

573
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: tricky out of me kind of.

574
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: It kind of looked like that. And he has like

575
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: two shirts on and the shirt over it and it

576
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: says the shirt says, guess it's like a guest brand shirt. No,

577
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: it's just like it's the are you being sarcastic?

578
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: I fucking swear to God, I fucking swear, stop hypothesizing,

579
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: and you tell the no please.

580
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: That's the show.

581
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: Just the visual of like that, but like the Jerry

582
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: rigged baking timer. And then but there was also a

583
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 2: couple of magnetic letters from his refrigerator.

584
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know what I mean, out of

585
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: hype cleaner and.

586
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Some old gum stack to the Yes, I don't know

587
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: who the victim is I don't know who's guilty, and

588
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying things like that.

589
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: Well it's okay, because here we go.

590
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So the teller is only able to give Brian

591
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: eighty seven hundred dollars because there isn't a way to

592
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: get into the vault at that time, like there wasn't

593
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: enough people there. So the baking timer goes off, and

594
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: then you suddenly smoke cookies and helps second.

595
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: In line, Hey, you've made those?

596
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: Are mine?

597
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: Pulls a cookie out of his neck handcuff, yeah, and

598
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: says thanks for doing business. But when he does do

599
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not fucking kidding, he takes the money and

600
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: leaves and he grabs a dumb, dumb lollipop on his

601
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: way out.

602
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: Oh it's in his mouth. Okay.

603
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: So he's not as stressed as maybe that's what you

604
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: would think, okay, Or he's really stressed and he needs

605
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: something to occupy him.

606
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: I relate doubtful though.

607
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like, if you think you're about

608
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: to blow up, yeah, and look, I love candy, I

609
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: don't think it would be.

610
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: You're not like I'm gonna blow I'm gonna go oh dum.

611
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: Dums, Oh my god, I yes, you know, when you

612
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: get these for Halloween, you get like ten of them

613
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: at the time.

614
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: He stuff them all in your mouth at once, because

615
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: then it's like a real lollipop.

616
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: I would just eat it fast and then use the

617
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: stick as a cigarette.

618
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just stand around fake smoking. Looks how good I

619
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: look smoking?

620
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: Guys? All right? Maybe that I needed a cigarette. You

621
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: knew that was the closest. That's what it is.

622
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: And he was like, I probably can't smoke around a bomb.

623
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Those things probably don't go hand in hand. There might

624
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: be gasoline in this, definitely. I don't know how bombs

625
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: are made. You pour gasoline on them?

626
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

627
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: About fifteen minutes after he walks out, state troopers spot

628
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Brian Wells it's his name, standing outside of his Guess

629
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: what kind of car he has?

630
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: You get this right up? A barf? Is it a

631
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Laman's No, it's that I don't know. It's like some

632
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: kind of pseudo anti car. No, it's a Geo Metro.

633
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: Oh for those second only to the Ugo. Yeah, bad cars.

634
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: It's for you young kids.

635
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: It's just it's just like the first hatchback, and those

636
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: aren't cool.

637
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: It's like a Fiat that gave up on itself.

638
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: It's like an eighties hatchback. But this is two thousand

639
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: and three.

640
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

641
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: So wait, he had a Geo Metro in two thousand

642
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: and three. Yeah, maybe he was an antique shitty car.

643
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: Collect you know what he actually was? What a pizza

644
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: delivery man? Oh? Yeah, okay, so you can see a

645
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 3: pizza deliver man having that car. Yeah, but the tires

646
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: have absolutely no tread on them once. Yeah, they're like

647
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: all what's the ones in the back? Oh, like the replacement?

648
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the.

649
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 3: Four spars on a geometro. I'm sorry, we're making fun

650
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: of this guy, but it'll be okay, and you'll find

651
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: out why. Okay, it's not.

652
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out why at the end actually gets

653
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: really fucking bad. Yeah, I bet it gets bad, and

654
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: it gets really bad.

655
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Okay. So they apprehend him. They cut his hands behind

656
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: his back.

657
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: And then Brian says to them that while out on

658
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: a pizza delivery, he had been attacked by a group

659
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: of black men. Because that's everyone's excuse, who claim who

660
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: chained the bomb around his neck at gunpoint and forced

661
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: him to rob the bank.

662
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: Yep, that's how it's done. He says, it's gonna go off.

663
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: I'm not lying. He's like desperate at this point, it's

664
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: gonna go off. I'm not fucking lying.

665
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: And then I just say one thing, yes always I

666
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: my first agent in this business. It was a who

667
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: is a mastermind and a genius. One of the first

668
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: pieces of advice she ever gave me was whether whatever

669
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: people explicitly state to you for without.

670
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: You asking them is a lie? Just immediately reverse it

671
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: in your head of like saying.

672
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: Like if I went to a meeting at a management

673
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: place and they were like, look, we don't just take

674
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: whoever and like throw it all against the wall and

675
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: see what happens, It's like, oh, you just take whoever throw? Yeah?

676
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Is that kind of thing where you just have to

677
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: kind of why would you proclaim this to me if

678
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: it were true?

679
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: And do you ask you yeah exactly, or say I'm

680
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: not lying, yes means I'm lying.

681
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Why would you need to tell people that if you

682
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: have a live bomb on your body or that just

683
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: happened to you.

684
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: I feel like probably sociopaths say I'm not lying a

685
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: lot because they don't expect people to believe.

686
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: They don't expect people.

687
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: To be smart enough to be like I know that

688
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: that's a line that people say to get them like,

689
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: and they just don't think anyone's smart.

690
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: That's true.

691
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: I would think that they would be the kind of

692
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: people who wouldn't say I'm not lying. Is almost just

693
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: like a try and they try it or they know

694
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: they're all out. Yeah, that they're just like, I'm not nervous.

695
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: Therefore you're never gonna ask me a question in the first.

696
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Place, right, And if you ask me, I'm gonna tell yeah, Okay,

697
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna believe me, all right, I'm not lying. So

698
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the officers call the bomb squad and they take their

699
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: positions behind their cars. Their guns are drawn, and they

700
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: leave Brian sitting in the middle of the street, cross leged,

701
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: handcuffs behind his back, with his bomb around his neck.

702
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: And he's in the middle of the road, just sitting there. Okay,

703
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: there's a video all this, and okay, I'll tell you

704
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: a second.

705
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

706
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: For twenty five minutes, while news cruise crew news people

707
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: are filming there, they keeps laying in the street. He's

708
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: sitting cross legged in the street, kind of like slumped

709
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: in the street.

710
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: He's kind of fidgeting and stuff. So they're sitting there

711
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 3: for twenty five minutes. Then out of nowhere, the device

712
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: starts to beep, beep, beep, and you see him. It's

713
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: all on video.

714
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: You see him kind of look down and start to

715
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: struggle like he's trying to get away from the collar,

716
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: and then it fucking goes off.

717
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: No, yeah, and the video there is video.

718
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: On this, and they don't warn you that they're about

719
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: to show it. And so I saw it and I

720
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: got really and having to look this up and look

721
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: at video and news stuff. I just kept having to

722
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: turn my head away because it's so awful and it's

723
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: of guys. So you know, this guy dies and you

724
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: see this bomb go off, and people really watching it

725
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: live and see this happen.

726
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: Fuck, I'm so surprised.

727
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he looked surprised too that it was even

728
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: going off, meaning I don't think he thought it was real.

729
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: And it detonates, loud explosion, blowing into his face. He

730
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: falls back onto the ground. He does almost instantly. I

731
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: believe the farm had ripped a huge hole in his chest.

732
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Three minutes later, bomb squad arrives. Oh no, I know,

733
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: so they when later the police search his car and

734
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: they find handwritten notes that were addressed to the bomb hostage,

735
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: and they say that one of them says, there's only

736
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: one way you can survive, and that is to cooperate completely.

737
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: This powerful booby trapped bomb can be removed only by

738
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: following our instructions.

739
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: Act now, think later, or you will die. Sorry, handwritten

740
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: notes to this guy. Yeah, so it's basically their handwritten

741
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: notes to the got to Brian.

742
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I thought that meant his handwritten note. Yeah, someone else

743
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: had written these notes to him. They were in his car,

744
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: so the police had caught him. It was almost like

745
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: a scavenger hunt. But he had to rob the bank

746
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: then go to these certain places to get the keys,

747
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: give them the money, that sort of thing, right, So,

748
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: but police had caught him in the middle of the

749
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: scavenger hunt, so they tried to finish the scavenger hunt

750
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: themselves and find the notes, but someone had removed the

751
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: remaining notes after Brian had been killed. So they found

752
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the places where they were supposed to be, but there

753
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: wasn't anything else there.

754
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: And sorry, was that like the video you watched or

755
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: whatever was that shown live on the news.

756
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: It had to have been because people were talking about

757
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: having watched it, Yeah, sitting there with their kids, so probably,

758
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: And it was at like three o'clock something, so there

759
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: must have been kids after school watching that one hundred percent.

760
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: How traumatized are those children? It's the worst. I watched

761
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 3: it and I was I'm a little fucked up from it.

762
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: No, you can't, like, yeah, is that kind of shit?

763
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: You have to be so careful and paired for yeah,

764
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: all right.

765
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: They traced Brian's last pizza delivery on the day of

766
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: his death, which is when he said he got attacked.

767
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: They found that his last order was to be delivered

768
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: on the outskirts of the city at at a location

769
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: to ended up being a TV transmission tower. What the

770
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: address was, and they could tell by the scuff marks

771
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: and the dirt that that's where the.

772
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: Collar had been attached.

773
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: But he was supposed to be off right before that

774
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: call came into order the pizzas, which was kind of mysterious,

775
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: all right. Then cut to September twentieth, less than a

776
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: month after the bomb killed Brian. Fifty nine year old

777
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: Bill Rothstein, who was a handyman and lifelong resident in

778
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: the area, calls nine one one. He gave the operator

779
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: his address and told him that there was a frozen

780
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: body in his garage freezer. What yeah, He told him

781
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: that the story history was that in mid August, his

782
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, Marjorie diial Armstrong called him and told him

783
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: she had shot her living boyfriend James Rodin in the

784
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: back with a Remington twelve gage shotgun in a dispute

785
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: over money, and then she asked him to help her

786
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: clean up and move the body, which he agreed to,

787
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: and so the body had been in his freezer for

788
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: five weeks. He also melted down the gun and scattered

789
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: the pieces around the county.

790
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, thorough, thorough. How do you melt down a gun?

791
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: You don't even fucking know power tools?

792
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: I think he was a handymailer. Yeah, he's a handyman,

793
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: so he probably knows a lot.

794
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: About He had some fucking welding things, probably put some

795
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: like I don't know, you know, there's some powder you

796
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: can probably put on something to make it flammable. Oh.

797
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: I think I've seen things where you a diet coke

798
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: on a piece of meat. Oh, why do we stop it?

799
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 3: I got so excited? Isn't that a thing?

800
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: It is but I'm sure it doesn't melt guns. I'm

801
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: almost positive.

802
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: Let's try it.

803
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Let's see, Steven, do they even get your guy out?

804
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: Just shoots both of us. Not be hilarious. They told

805
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: me I have it on tape.

806
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: It's such a weird ending to that podcast because everyone

807
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: likes Steven now, but I'm wondering he really didn't like

808
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: those girls?

809
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: What is it just fictional? The whole podcast. Now we

810
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: have to go back and listen again, and we have

811
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: to write down all the time. So we yelled at

812
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: Stephen slowly building rage and Steve and you can hear

813
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: him breathing in the background, harder and harder every week.

814
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, he has both hands over his face, laughing like

815
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: a little bright red little Japanese girl, just giggling, giggling.

816
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: Stephen.

817
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So he tells them he just couldn't go with

818
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: the final plan, which was to grind the body up,

819
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: so he called nine one one, and he was afraid

820
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: of what she might do to him. So he says

821
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: he was so distraught that he had even considered killing

822
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: himself rather than turning himself in, and he had written

823
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: a suicide note in which he said, who the body

824
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: was in the freezer when he didn't kill him. It says,

825
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: nor participate in the death. And then the note ended

826
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: with this has nothing to do with the Wells case.

827
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, no reason says that in the note because

828
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: he lived behind the TV transmission spot.

829
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, okay, Now look at my theory.

830
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: How it's been completely reversed right in my face, which

831
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: is what now this it's the first guy going the

832
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: victim saying I'm not lying in my theories.

833
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: That's because he's lying.

834
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: Well, then this guy saying this has nothing to do

835
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: with it out of nowhere, like he hadn't even been

836
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: questioned about it.

837
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't bring it up.

838
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: No, but btw no, So obviously what my research reveals

839
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: is that there's no hard and fast rule right statements

840
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: or is there?

841
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: Or we are not done yet?

842
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: Oh answers, I'll over that place. They made a move

843
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: that movie thirty Minutes or less. Yes, that came out

844
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: like twenty eleven. My friend Ruben Fleisher directed that.

845
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 3: Oh nice.

846
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: Well, they think it's like loosely based on this, so

847
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: they'll be twists and turns. Oh wow, s't worry. I

848
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, so I don't really know. But all right,

849
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: So here's a little bit about Marjorie, the woman who

850
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: killed her boyfriend so in She's fucking in nineteen eighty four,

851
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: she's thirty five. She's charged with murdering her then boyfriend,

852
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: Robert Thomas. Rob Thomas, isn't he from Matchbox twenty? Yeah,

853
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: I just She claims she shot him six times in

854
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: self defense. Says you know how you shoot someone six

855
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: times in self defense?

856
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: Yes, well, just to really finish it off, just to

857
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: kill you out of it's very OCDC.

858
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: You want to finish all the bullets right in the gun. Right. Sorry.

859
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: This is the same woman who had the body in

860
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: the freezer. Yeah, this is the body of the freezer woman.

861
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: This is a different relationship, yes, okay.

862
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: Years before okay, a jury it quits her, and then

863
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: four years later her husband and Richard Armstrong dies up.

864
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: This cerebral cerebral hemorrhage. Those two words together can cerebral hemorrhage.

865
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: And but he when he got to the hospital he

866
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: had had a head injury. But the death is still

867
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: ruled accidental and never followed up with by the corner

868
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: which head injuries and cerebral hemorrhaging don't go.

869
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: That's not a thing they do. They don't go together.

870
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, yeah.

871
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: Cerebral hemorrhaging means your brain is bleeding, which means someone

872
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 2: hit you really fucking hard on the head or something.

873
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: Doesn't.

874
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: Hemorrhaging just happen though too, like the way when people

875
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: have a stroke or something like that.

876
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: Oh I do I feel Look, look, look, and listen.

877
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: Are going to claim we're right.

878
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: My My assumption is as a doctor, is no, I

879
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: just think hemorrhaging. Hemorrhaging can happen in any kind of

880
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: a way. It's not specific to just like an annuals

881
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: and aneurysm is when you're like a vessel in.

882
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: Her brain explodes and then usually you die. Okay, so yeah,

883
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm merging. That sounds right.

884
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Okay, did we please, doctors, please tell us how to

885
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: do this podcast?

886
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: The best way to let us know about something is

887
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: to screaming us on Twitter.

888
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know. That's the only time

889
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: we listen. That's right, It is screaming onto our hearts. Umm,

890
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: we're doctors. Let's see U death is ruled accidental. So

891
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: Marjorie is like extremely smart, but she suffers from bipolar disorder,

892
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: and she's found to be paranoid and narcissistic. In nineteen

893
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: eighty four, they found four hundred pounds of butter and

894
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: more than seven hundred pounds of cheese rotting inside her house.

895
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is from the Wired article.

896
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: Can I repeat this? Four hundred so I think she

897
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: was a hoarder. So four hundred pounds of butter?

898
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: How much is that so much? Well, a pound of

899
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: butter is the four cubes.

900
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a pound of butter. So she had four

901
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: hundred of those and seven hundred pounds.

902
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: Of cheese to dream come trip, I mean kind of cheese.

903
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: If we're talking about fucking craft singles.

904
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: Lvida, if she hadn't stored somewhere, it's velvida because you can.

905
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: You can leave that like in a warm room for

906
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: two years and nothing will happen. It's plastic. Could I

907
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: tell you it? Vince made me for dinner last night

908
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, I've brought to tell you

909
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: this too. Damn it to go?

910
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Can I get on a gross food tangent reliase? Okay,

911
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: So last night Vince Vince brought home. He did the

912
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: thing of I've been craving this thing from childhood, and

913
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: I was like playing along, like I'll try it with you, baby.

914
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: So he made me a baloney and American cheese sandwich

915
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 1: on white bread.

916
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah it's mustard. I used to have them every single day.

917
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: It was great. We never had like we never got

918
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: to have any of that good stuff. Yeah, so I

919
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: had so. Yeah. Sometimes he'll fry up the balonnie. Wow,

920
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: I know. But what happened And this is just I'm

921
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: explaining who vinces?

922
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: On like Saturday, I picked him up after his thing

923
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: and we were both hungry, and I was like, where

924
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: should we go? And I always am like, no, I

925
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: don't want to go there, and like we go where

926
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: I want to go? But he was like he was

927
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: like this place, this place or this place, and I

928
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: was like, okay, you pick which. I was being nice,

929
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: like I'm just trying to not be a fucking asshole anymore.

930
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: That's good YU that effort. Yeah. So we went to

931
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: the Olive Garden for brunch on Saturday. How do you

932
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: feel about that?

933
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: All I see is like a bunch of Italian spices

934
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: mixed into shit that I don't want there.

935
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: That's the first thing I think of. You are one

936
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: hundred percent correct. He ordered. They had a thing called

937
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: an Italian margarita. He ordered it. The guy at the

938
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: bar was just like such a.

939
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Sassy, funny person, and he put it in front of

940
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: the He put a margarita in front of him and

941
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: then he put down a little like shot glass of

942
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: ammaretto and he goes, that's what makes it Italian.

943
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, I love you. It was

944
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: so great. But they have a nice little soup and

945
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: salad deal.

946
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Anyways, the almost broadsticks, right, yeah, come on, the salad's

947
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: actually good. On the way out, a girl stops me

948
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: and she goes, don't I know you? And I did

949
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: the oh, searching for my brain and she goes, just kidding.

950
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fed So she was a waitress there,

951
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: and she was just like, really cool, Great, that's it. Okay.

952
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: I got recognized at the Olive Garden because hell yeah,

953
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: the Olive Garden. Hell yes, because when you're there, you're family.

954
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: I was family. Nice. So thanks, Wait, don't I recognize

955
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: you're my aunt? Yeah? Oh hi, Oh my god, I

956
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: nice to see you. Okay, Carol?

957
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: Oh all right, seven hundred pounds of cheese rotting inside her.

958
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: House okay, sorry, yes, because you can't even get that

959
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: from a store. That's all.

960
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: You can go to an Indivans or whatever your local

961
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 2: chain is called and be like, that's all the butter

962
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: that they have.

963
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 3: For the month, essentially, and they yeah, what she doing?

964
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Do you know how she got it? No? Okay, nothing

965
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: about it. It's rotting? Okay.

966
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the smell like butter? Even rot It

967
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: does like it turns, but it takes a long time.

968
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: Like you can leave it on on the counter and

969
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: it won't go bad for a while. I mean, we

970
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: always refrigerate our butter, which I hate cold butter. You

971
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: can put it on a plate as long as it's

972
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: covered on the counter. What are we talking about?

973
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't fucking know. Someone is dead, someone is ohad,

974
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: people are okay? All right?

975
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: So I wrote so capital because I think I knew

976
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: we were going to go on the standard, So back

977
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: to okay. In fact, when preparing to be tried and

978
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: the shooting death of her first x, psychiatrists deemed her

979
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: mentally incompetent seven times before they finally ruled she was

980
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: allowed to be on betried, which I feel like seven

981
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: times means you are not ever going to be mentally

982
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: and that's such a hard thing to do because everyone's like.

983
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: I'm mentally ill, that's why I killed trying to get

984
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: out of it. Yeah, and they're like bullshit, but sorry.

985
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: They kept on saying she was mentally incompetent and couldn't

986
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: stand trial, and then they finally were like, wait, no,

987
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: on the eighth time, she is.

988
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: She's better know Oh no, but yeah, that's ridiculous, got it, so,

989
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: I wrote?

990
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: So.

991
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: On September twenty one of two thousand and three, Marjorie

992
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: deil Armstrong is arrested for the murder of her most

993
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: recent ex, the freezer guy, James Rodenk. She pleads guilty

994
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: but mentally ill, but she's still sentenced to seven to

995
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: twenty years in state prison for that murder. Three months

996
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: after she goes to prison in April Federal of two

997
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: thousand and five.

998
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: So I might have the dates wrong.

999
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: Federal agents investigating the collar bomb mystery, they're still like,

1000
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened? The handwriting analysis of the fucking

1001
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: notes are baffled. They just don't understand why this scavenger

1002
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: hunt was part of It doesn't make any sense to them.

1003
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: They're called They are called from the state police officer

1004
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: who has just met with Marjorie in prison. She tells

1005
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: them that the murder of her most recent ex boyfriend

1006
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: actually had nothing to do with money, but instead was

1007
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: part of the collar bomb plot, so they didn't even know.

1008
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: She was involved at this point. She just came forward

1009
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: with them. Yeah, okay, she says. She tells me, She's like,

1010
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: can I just exchange that piece of information for a

1011
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: stick of butter? I just want to put it under

1012
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: my pillow. They only have margarine here. It's driving me interesting.

1013
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: I need some and butter.

1014
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: Well, what she actually wants besides just butter, is a

1015
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: transfer from the state pen where she's into a minimum

1016
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: security spot much closer to Eerie.

1017
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: And if they do that, she'll tell them everything she knows.

1018
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: So she begins by telling them that she was not

1019
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: of course, I'm not involved in any way in the plot,

1020
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: but she admits that she knew about it and that

1021
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: she supplied the kitchen timers, so she's the baker or

1022
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: the punisher of children.

1023
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: When they were trying to fingerprint that kitchen timer, they

1024
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: were just like, there's no fingerprints, but it is coated

1025
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: in buttery, like so much.

1026
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 3: Butter all over it. We need to find the butter culprit,

1027
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: the butter bomber. Butter bomber, it's even better, butter Butter.

1028
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: She tells them that the actual mastermind Behold and the

1029
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: whole plot was Bill Rothstein, the dude who lived behind

1030
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: the TV tower.

1031
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 3: Who turned her in for a murder.

1032
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: But Bill Rostein had died of lymphoma about a year earlier,

1033
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: in July two thousand and four, so they can't fucking

1034
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: question him. She also tells the FEDS that Brian Williams

1035
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: wasn't just the victim, but had been in on the

1036
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: planning from the beginning.

1037
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: The guy that actually blew up in the bomb. Yeah, okay,

1038
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 3: twist's turns so yeah, keep So he did what he said.

1039
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: I'm not lying, he was lying. You were right, Oh

1040
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: thank god, I was like, hold up that theory was

1041
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: white right twice? Yes? Nice? Okay, okay.

1042
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: So, according to Marjorie, Brian Wells, the victim had agreed

1043
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: to rob the bank wearing what he thought was a

1044
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: fake collar bomb. The scavenger hunt, he was told, was

1045
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: simply a ruse to fool the cops. If he got caught,

1046
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: he could say like, well, look at these instructions is

1047
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: evidence that he was only following orders. But at some

1048
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: point Brian Wells and he don't hear this phrase very

1049
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: often is double cross. Yes, the fake bomb is switched

1050
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: out to be a real one, which he didn't know

1051
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: until it was strapped to his neck.

1052
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: They held him down at gunpoint.

1053
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Because when he got to the TV station with the pizzas,

1054
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: he realized it was real and tried.

1055
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: To run and they grabbed him and held him down

1056
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: to cup point.

1057
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, so did he not know is it Marjorie? Yeah,

1058
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: Marjorie and the guy that died of rosting, he didn't

1059
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: know them.

1060
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Before he knew them, they had all planned this thing

1061
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: and agreeing that it was going to be a fake bomb.

1062
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: So he drove there as if it's like I'm delivering

1063
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: pizzas to this place, right.

1064
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: The whole thing is him being tricked. He was in

1065
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: on that thinking it'd be a fake bomb. Got it.

1066
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: They are like, it's a real bomb. Get over here.

1067
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: It all falls together because then that fucking dumb dumb's

1068
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: part makes perfect sense, right, Okay?

1069
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: And I think even when thinking, when thinking about the

1070
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: dumb dumb, the way he panicked when the beefing went off.

1071
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Is he didn't even know that it was fake until

1072
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: the beeping went off. That's what I think, Yes, because

1073
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: you mean that it was real. Yeah, because even him

1074
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: saying I'm not lying, he's lying. He thinks it's not real,

1075
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: and I think they're telling him this. I don't know

1076
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: why she's telling him this, but I don't believe that.

1077
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, So they strap it to it and

1078
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: his nex gunpoint, the FBI had already concluded they had

1079
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: checked out the bomb and that it was rigged, so

1080
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: at any attempt to remove it at all, I would

1081
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: have set it off.

1082
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: So he was destined. He was going to die no

1083
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: matter what.

1084
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: Then, in late two thousand and five, a few months

1085
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: after Marjorie first talked to the FEDS, a witness comes

1086
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: forward and says that an ex television repairman turned crack

1087
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: dealer named Kenneth Barnes was also involved. Barnes was already

1088
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: in jail on unrelated drug charges, so when threatened with

1089
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: more time behind.

1090
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: Bars, he agrees to a deal. He would give the

1091
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: full account blah blah blah, reduce sentence.

1092
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: He confirms that Marjorie was he says, which is what

1093
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: other people were coming forward and saying. Marjorie was the

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00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: mastermind behind the collar bomb plot. He claimed she needed

1095
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: the cash so she could pay him to kill her

1096
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: father for inheritance money. Jesus Christ, I know in Airy Pennsylvania.

1097
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: She's just she's like a black widow.

1098
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1099
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: So he sentenced Barnes A sentenced to forty five years

1100
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: behind bars, but he agrees to testify against Marge. He

1101
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: also explains Brian Well's reasoning why he even got in

1102
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: on the plot for money. He needed the money because

1103
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: he had developed a relationship with a sex worker and

1104
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: he had devised a scheme where he was like, I'm

1105
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: going to sell crack because I need the money to

1106
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: be with her. I think he was like in love

1107
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: with her, but he had fallen into debt with a

1108
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: crack dealer. It's for love, which is like so sweet.

1109
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: And in one of the articles it's like he was

1110
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: a drug dealer, and it's like, well, he wasn't when

1111
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: you call him a drug dealer, or you're not, you know,

1112
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: explaining the intricacies, which.

1113
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: Sounds like a fucking movie.

1114
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: Look, if you're selling crack to people, you're a drug dealer.

1115
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what you're motives are. You're correct, you

1116
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: can be a cold hearted snake, or you can be

1117
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: you are correct, you could be the most nicest, romantic

1118
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: person if you're selling drugs. Because also it's not like

1119
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: he's selling pots, so he's getting sixty bucks a hit.

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00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: He's like probably making fucking bank. And these people who

1121
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: are crack addicts are ruining your lives, so he's helping

1122
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: them ruin their lives. Yes, exactly, you are eating.

1123
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: And then also on top of that, so that he

1124
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: can fuck a lady who probably doesn't give a shit

1125
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: one way or the other about him, right, otherwise she

1126
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't be charging him. Probably, one would like to think

1127
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: that it would go into a Julia Roberts movie kind

1128
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: of direction, right where she then does actually kiss him

1129
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 2: on the mouth.

1130
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, why am I being romantic about that? Well,

1131
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: you probably got involved in your reading. I'm just counterpointing.

1132
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: I just want to know Brian wellsmore like I feel

1133
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't the sharpest needle in the tack.

1134
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't going to get that right, so

1135
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: I just kept going with it, you know what I mean?

1136
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 3: That was like a straight up Yogi barrow style quote.

1137
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: I took all holding someone else dumbs like mixing metaphors.

1138
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: Oh man, so yeah, I don't know. To me, he's

1139
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: the he's the he lost the most. He's not some mastermind.

1140
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: He's not like, yeah, he got duped pretty hard for

1141
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: a reason that you know he didn't understand.

1142
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: Was okay, da da da da da.

1143
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: He also testified that Marjorie's X, whose body was the

1144
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: freezer body, was also in on the crime. The reason

1145
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: he had been killed was because he threatened to tell

1146
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: the feds, not because of money.

1147
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 3: Oh so that's why his freezer body happened. Okay.

1148
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: When Marjorie took the stand around trial, she's fucking ranting

1149
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: and raving. She's like she's bananas. She's butter crazy. She's

1150
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: butter crazy. She claims to have never met Brian Wills

1151
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: and his Brian Wells, the victim, even though he testified

1152
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: that she had even measured his neck for the collar bomb.

1153
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: Oh, the jury didn't believe her. She's voted guilty of

1154
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: arm voted guilty of armed robbery. I wrote that. I

1155
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: wrote it voted guilty, and I'm like, I'll figure that out.

1156
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 3: Once you're there. So I just read it off the vapor.

1157
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: I mean, technically, are right?

1158
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: Vote they voted A get voted guilty guilty of arm

1159
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: bank robbery, conspiracy, using a destructive dedyce in.

1160
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: A crime of violence.

1161
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: She died on April of this year, actually as eighty

1162
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: six years old of natural causes.

1163
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she died in twenty seventeen in April.

1164
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: Whoa, Yeah, when we were just hanging out thinking anything

1165
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: was whatever. And then she's dying, all right, last part

1166
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: and this is also from Wired. Retired FBI criminal investigators

1167
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: who ignore the fucking coolest people in the world. I

1168
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: want to have a drink with him, Jim Fisher. This

1169
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: guy thinks that there's no way that Marjorie planned the

1170
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: collar bomb heist. He based on the FBI's suspect profile,

1171
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: which they had before anyone got in trouble for this.

1172
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: He thinks Bill Rothstein was the mastermind. He was a

1173
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: handyman with the skills to create a homemade bomb. And

1174
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: because it wasn't about money, he thinks he had never

1175
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: accomplished much in his life. He wanted to show how

1176
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: brilliant he was by quote executing a crime that would

1177
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: grab headlines across the globe and baffle authorities for years.

1178
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: He recruited conspirators he knew he could control and kept

1179
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: crucial details of the plot from them, a tactic designed

1180
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: to further complicate the investigation. Wow, so he thinks he

1181
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: was just fucking with his head, Like, I kind of

1182
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: reminded me of the guy from S Town that they

1183
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: I still haven't listened to, well, people who lived listened

1184
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: to the s Town that this guy was like this

1185
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: brilliant dude.

1186
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that. In the end,

1187
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 3: says Jim Fisher, the son of a bitch ended up winning.

1188
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: Huh, well not so much because I'd never heard of

1189
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 2: this case before. Yeah, but why we are talking about

1190
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: it now?

1191
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: He won by dying a free man, Yes, that's true,

1192
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: and baffling the shit And they still don't really understand

1193
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: how and what happened.

1194
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: Which isn't a victory because that just means you went crazy,

1195
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 2: You victimized a bunch of people, and it doesn't make

1196
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: sense why you did it. Yeah, that's not like, no

1197
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: your genius credit. No, I think that's fucked up.

1198
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 3: What he specifically wanted, which again is not a genius move.

1199
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: It's like, for me, like the kitchen timer right there,

1200
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: ruves that he's not a genius. Get one of those

1201
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: LED digital readout timers, or get the fuck out of town.

1202
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think what he wanted to prove is he

1203
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: could fucking make a bomb in his whatever garage out

1204
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: of anything.

1205
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: You know, those people who like to take things apart

1206
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: and put them back together just to see how they work,

1207
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: instead of reading a fucking book and just chilling out

1208
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: take a nap. Yeah, I guess that's true. Well that

1209
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 3: was fascinating. Yeah, I'd say, look at the picture of

1210
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: him sitting in the middle of the road. Go nowhere

1211
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: near the video of him not being blown up.

1212
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: I want you to see the picture kind of Stephen,

1213
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: can you pull that up just to see It's just

1214
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: this like clear afternoon news story of him sitting there.

1215
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: They're not too close, I can totally picture it. He

1216
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: looks like a mannequin sitting there. Oh, it's just like

1217
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: this still body, not dead I'm talking about when he's He.

1218
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 3: Was just waiting.

1219
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: So was that the whole bomb squad thing? They were

1220
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: just waiting for the bomb squad to show up.

1221
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: That's what he was just sitting on the curb and

1222
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: they were calling the bomb squad, but also they weren't

1223
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: sure if he was even in on it, so they

1224
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: have their guns drawn on him.

1225
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one. Go look up the picture. It's like

1226
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: it's like a bummer.

1227
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Obviously, it looks like when someone gets stopped at the

1228
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: traffic thing and then they go to arrest him.

1229
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like that, like he's an unruly drunk driver. Yeah,

1230
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: what's that? Do you know what his shirt says or

1231
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: what says guests? Oh, that's the guest thing.

1232
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they think that's part of it, is like

1233
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: Bill Rothstein put a shirt on him that says.

1234
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: Guess that's fucked up. I know. Wow, that's a good one.

1235
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1236
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: It's so weird because I saw this like it was

1237
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: from two thousand and three. I think I saw maybe

1238
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: a City Confidential or a twenty twenty, like pretty immediately

1239
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: after it happened, so no one still knew what was

1240
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: going on, and it just stuck with me. And it

1241
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: was one of those ones where I was like, everyone

1242
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: knows this one, so I'm not going to do it,

1243
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: And then I was like maybe they don't, So.

1244
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: I mean the one I thought it was was.

1245
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: There's an I survived about a woman who gets home invaded.

1246
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: They it's her and her daughter, right, and they put

1247
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: a bomb on her and make her go rob a

1248
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: bank and she and they're like, if you say anything,

1249
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: it's the same exact thing. But she really was, you know,

1250
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: she was a victim and survived it. They ended up

1251
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: getting off her. Yeah, oh good, Yeah, phew, Okay, we're back.

1252
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: Are there any updates on this one?

1253
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: I have some updates.

1254
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: So in Netflix four part docuseries called Evil Genius, the

1255
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: true story of America's most diabolical bank heist, Jessica Hoopsick,

1256
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: a woman who claimed to be Brian Wells's friend, confessed

1257
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: that she set Wells up to participate in the crime

1258
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: by providing his name and delivery schedule to one of

1259
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: the conspirators in exchange for money and drugs.

1260
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: So, I mean, that's just huge.

1261
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: Investigators say Hoopsick was uncooperative after the deadly heist in

1262
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. They had long suspected her involvement,

1263
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: but didn't have enough evidence to build a case against her.

1264
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: So that's pretty interesting and I side job basically, Yeah,

1265
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: it makes a lot more sense now because the story

1266
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: was just so convoluted.

1267
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: It was crazy. It was like, it was so shocking

1268
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: and insane.

1269
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: And on video, the video of him sitting in the

1270
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: middle of the intersection so bad.

1271
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: That's so fucking traumatizing. Jesus, it's horrible. Speaking of traumatizing,

1272
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: we got another New Year story. Yeah, this one is

1273
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: got a All right, let's listen to Karen's story about

1274
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: the shoe fetish slayer.

1275
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: Okay, my turn, let's do it. I don't know what

1276
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: the voice is this story is.

1277
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: I've been trying to do it for a really long time,

1278
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: but because I've been reading an Anne Rule book about

1279
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: this serial killer. And uh, but then I think Frank

1280
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: eight the back half of the book. It turned into

1281
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: a thing where than I had I was trying to

1282
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: find the book again and whatever.

1283
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: I think we should make it for new listeners. Frank

1284
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: is her dog. It's not her boyfriend. That I have

1285
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: a really nervous boyfriend named Frank. He doesn't like when

1286
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: I learned thing does like when I leave the house.

1287
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: So but but the first chapter of this book is

1288
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: one of the most hook you in and you can't

1289
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: stop reading chapters.

1290
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: It's Anne Rules I been meaning to read a new

1291
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 3: one by her movie. Yeah it's this is a great one.

1292
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: I had bought one at the airport on the last

1293
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: tour that was it was a bunch of different stories

1294
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: kind of all put together. But I realized that, like,

1295
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: that's a little bit too depressing because it's just almost

1296
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: like the same thing over and I like her thoughts

1297
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: on it and stuff. Yeah, you I I think I

1298
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: enjoy like the full thing more. But the cool thing

1299
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: about Anne Rule is that she just goes so far

1300
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: into the victims lives, so you get all that information.

1301
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: So if anybody, if this is an interesting story you,

1302
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: Anne Rule wrote a book called Lust Killer and it's

1303
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: about this guy.

1304
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 3: But this is the best part. So I texted Stephen yesterday.

1305
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: I was like, can you please get me a chronology

1306
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: of this guy so that I can get ahead on

1307
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: this story.

1308
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: And so he looked up and found.

1309
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: This kindog that was put together by some people in

1310
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: the Department of Psychology at Radford University in Radford, Virginia.

1311
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: And those people are Mike Keith, Audrey mag Mangram. I

1312
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: was gonna say Magnum, Audrey, Mangram, Kimberly masked Heather McGinn,

1313
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: Ryan Miller, Kristin Pouchot, Nicole Newsom, and Vicki Tanner.

1314
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: A lot of ladies, so many ladies. Yeah.

1315
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't say if they are like students, it doesn't

1316
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: say who they are in the department or whatever. But

1317
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: they put together it's like an Excel spreadsheet of the

1318
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: years and then the significant like moments in this guy's life.

1319
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: Nice, which is a life saving for doing a show

1320
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: like this. Yeah, I need that.

1321
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many times we needed every GD week And

1322
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: then instead you have to read eighteen hundred articles to

1323
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: find that.

1324
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is fine, it it's good. But then when

1325
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 3: you have a spine like this, these guys did amazing work,

1326
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: really good. It's just very great detail work.

1327
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: Where sometimes when you're reading a story, if you read

1328
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: two articles, the second one contradicts the first.

1329
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: One, and you're like, well, did he join the army

1330
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: or not? Like it's that thing.

1331
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: I always am like, well, the first one said this,

1332
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: so I believe it. It was just the first one

1333
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: I picked to re read. It's not like I'm believing

1334
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: about this.

1335
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: Guy Wikipedia overall all right, Okay, so it's Jerry Brudos,

1336
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: the shoe fetish slayer you've seen. There's one million all

1337
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: true crime shows about him, and there's a Law and

1338
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: Order that's basically his story. So, Jerry Brutus is born

1339
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: January thirty first, nineteen thirty nine.

1340
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: Websary, what's his name? I didn't hear that.

1341
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: Jerry Brudos is born on January thirty first, nineteen thirty

1342
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: nine in Webster, South Dakota. And it turns out he

1343
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: was an accident and his mother wanted a girl, so

1344
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: they lived on a farm. When he was five, they

1345
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: moved to Portland, Oregon, and they basically move. It looks

1346
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: like every two to five years his whole childhood and

1347
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: into his adult life, which sucks. And also it doesn't

1348
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: say an this anywhere at all. That My theory is

1349
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: his dad was an alcoholic or somebody in the family

1350
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: was an alcoholic, where they had to just keep leaving

1351
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: town and starting over, right, But also they I think

1352
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: he starts his dad starts out as a farmer, and

1353
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: it might just be that they're trying to he's trying

1354
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: to basically be a migrant farmer.

1355
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: And like go to the new place where he can

1356
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: make follow the money. But every two years, it's just

1357
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: so disruptive. Yeah, fucked out. So sad.

1358
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: Anyway, So one day he's wandering around alone at the

1359
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: junk yard when he's five years old, as you do,

1360
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: and he finds a pair of open totes spike heeled shoes,

1361
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: and he is obsessed and immediately, yes, this is his jam.

1362
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: He puts them on.

1363
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: He probably never sees women wearing that kind of thing

1364
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: where he's from, maybe, like his mom probably doesn't wear

1365
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: shit like that.

1366
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1367
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: But he goes crazy, he plays with them, he takes

1368
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: them home. His mom finds them and goes berserk on

1369
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: him and is like screaming whatever and like, never touch

1370
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: these again.

1371
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to touch you're not supposed to like

1372
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: this whatever, Which is a great way to get your

1373
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: kid to be really into So yeah, hi, how we

1374
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 3: know that. So let's take a five year old and

1375
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: be like this is forbidden and then see what happens

1376
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 3: and you don't understand why it's forbidden. Yeah. Yeah.

1377
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: Eventually he kept finding them and like she would take

1378
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: them away from Finally she burned them to symbolically for him.

1379
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: Perfect.

1380
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: When he's six, they moved to Rivers in California and

1381
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: he's in the first grade, his teacher wore high heel

1382
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: shoes and kept another pair in the classroom, so he

1383
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: tried to steal them one day so he could take

1384
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: them home, but another kid in the class saw him

1385
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: and told on him. So from a first grade this

1386
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: is like a very very early age. He fails second grade.

1387
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: He is diagnosed with measles, sore throats, swollen glands, laryngitis.

1388
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: He has frequent headaches that actually leave him unable to

1389
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: see clearly. Oh my god, So he's got some stuff

1390
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: going on. So all of those illnesses that he has,

1391
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: it makes me go like, were you not taken care

1392
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: of very well fed?

1393
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 3: Well? Did you not sleep correct? You know, like why

1394
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: would you just be constantly sick?

1395
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: So in nineteen forty seven, when he's eight years old,

1396
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 2: the family moves to Grant's Pass, Oregon, and next door

1397
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: there's a house, uh that has I think it's.

1398
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: Three teenage girls, right, So they have a little brother, and.

1399
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: Jerry starts sneaking into that house with the brother to

1400
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: steal these girls underwear. They first they play in the clothes,

1401
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: then he like discovers the underwear and then.

1402
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: He so it goes from shoes to undergarments.

1403
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: A couple of years later, the family moves again to

1404
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: Wallace Pond because Jerry's father is getting back into farming and.

1405
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 3: His when he's going through puberty.

1406
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: His mother is disgusted by anything sexual that Jerry does.

1407
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: You know, if he has a wet dream, she makes

1408
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: him wash his sheets by hand. There's a lot of shaming,

1409
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: a lot of like sounds like verbal abuse.

1410
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: How to create a cereal Keller? Yeah, I mean.

1411
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: So he starts to fantasize that he wants to capture

1412
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: a girl and make her obey his commands and beg

1413
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: for mercy.

1414
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: So when he's around.

1415
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: Sixteen, he steals an eighteen year old girl's underwear. Then

1416
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: he decides that he wants nude pictures of her, so

1417
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: he tells her that he has found out who stole

1418
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: her underwear and to meet her to meet him at

1419
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: her at his house. So the girl goes over to

1420
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: his house and she is there, she's attacked by a

1421
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: masked man who forces her to take off her clothes

1422
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: and takes pictures of her, and then the man runs away,

1423
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: and then the girl gets d and she goes to leave,

1424
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: and she runs into Jerry and Jerry says, I was

1425
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: locked in the barn this whole time.

1426
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 3: What happened?

1427
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: I just saw a guy running out of here in

1428
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: a mass. The girl runs away reports the whole thing

1429
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: to police. So essentially he's trying to and there was

1430
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: another story but I could not find it anywhere of

1431
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: him doing that and coming back in and saying that

1432
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: he was his own twin brother.

1433
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and that really sorry. It was like

1434
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: one of the first times he did this. He's really sorry.

1435
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: He basically makes a girl, a young girl his age,

1436
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: take off her clothes, takes pictures of her, leaves, changes

1437
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 2: his clothes, combs his hair differently, comes in and goes,

1438
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about my brother, Jerry.

1439
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm his brother. What a crazy creepy that like reeps

1440
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: me out. It's so creepy.

1441
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: And of course, and I think that little girl from

1442
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: the story that I remember didn't report it to the police.

1443
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: It's just like this weird, fucked up thing, so anyway,

1444
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: I know it's it's it's all so that kind of

1445
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: indicative of that, the sociopathic thing. I'm smarter than everybody, Like,

1446
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: there's no way anyone's going to find out. Here's my

1447
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: great plan. I'm going to play my own identical twin.

1448
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah insane. Yeah, this is not full house, yeah exactly.

1449
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 3: So okay, So.

1450
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: When he's seventeen, he lures a girl into his car.

1451
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: He drives her to a deserted farmhouse, beats her up

1452
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: by some miracle. There's a couple that's like sight seeing

1453
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: out in the country and they stop at the same

1454
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: abandoned farmhouse and they find they'd like walk in on

1455
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: what's happening and call the cops. So Jerry claims that

1456
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: he'd also stop to help the girl. Because they find

1457
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 2: him and her and she's tied up. He says, no,

1458
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: I found her that way. I was here to help her. Please,

1459
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 2: don't believe it. And they finally they talked him long

1460
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: enough and he confesses. So he's arrested for assault and

1461
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: battery and they find in his house and in his

1462
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: car women's underwear pictures and photo equips man. So soon

1463
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: after his arrest they send him to Oregon State Hospital,

1464
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: the psychiatric ward for nine months.

1465
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 3: How do you think that that wasn't a fucking vaca.

1466
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 3: Probably no, it's psychiatric hospital. Back then, what year is it,

1467
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 3: It's nineteen sixty nine, I believe. No, No, it's vir

1468
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 3: hose bad news.

1469
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: He starts talking to the doctors there about his sexual fantasies,

1470
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 2: his hatred and revenge of the revenge he wants to

1471
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: take against his mother and women in general. And he's

1472
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: a diagnosed with schizophrenia, which was actually a common thing

1473
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: that would happen back then that that wasn't actually an

1474
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: accurate diagnosed exactly.

1475
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like you are you're what is

1476
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: that called? I was I want to say devious, but

1477
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 3: it's a nothing. I was going to say deviant. Des Yeah, deviant,

1478
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: that's it. Devian. Okay, I was going to say that,

1479
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 3: but then he said devious. He's a deviant. He's a deviant.

1480
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to say. I've got it, Stephen.

1481
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: I'd love that. You look at you like, can you

1482
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 3: help me? Will you try? You said the only word

1483
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 3: I was thinking. Okay, so so.

1484
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: And they also they the things that he's telling them

1485
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: that he likes, they don't they don't know how to

1486
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: classify me.

1487
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 3: That's not a thing yet, yeah exactly.

1488
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: I mean whatever there might have been, but they're basically

1489
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: like slap schizophrenty on him, and like.

1490
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 3: Treating for that, which is probably electric shock therapy.

1491
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 2: He still graduates with this high school class in nineteen

1492
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: fifty seven.

1493
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 3: Oh so this is the late fifties. It's not even

1494
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 3: the sixties. Wow. So then he joins the army in

1495
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty nine.

1496
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 2: He tells the army psychiatrist about these same obsessions, and

1497
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: the psychiatrist has him discharged from the army.

1498
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: So he moves back in with his parents.

1499
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: Now they live in Corvallis, organ and he has to

1500
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: live in their shed. Oh, they make him live out

1501
01:10:59,439 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: back in the.

1502
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean he's an adult. Now, can we please fucking

1503
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 3: treat him like a human or get an apartment? Yeah?

1504
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: I mean yeah.

1505
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: So one night he's running an errand and he sees

1506
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: a young girl walking by herself, and he decides he's

1507
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: going to follow her and he so he basically stalks

1508
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: her or follows her home, attacks her, strangles her until

1509
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: she's unconscious, and then steals her shoes, and that night

1510
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: he slept.

1511
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 3: With the shoes. Oh my god, this is so creepy.

1512
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 3: This is nothing.

1513
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, So he becomes an electronics technician. In nineteen

1514
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: sixty one, when he's twenty one, he gets a job

1515
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: at a radio station, and that's when he meets his

1516
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: future wife, seventeen year old Darcy Metzler.

1517
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Darcy, run Darcy.

1518
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: Of course, Darcy's parents don't approve of the relationship because

1519
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: she's so young, and because of that, they're married within

1520
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 2: a few months of meeting.

1521
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 3: Like, let's solve this by marrying them. Yeah, yes, exactly. Well,

1522
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 3: it's like, you want to get out of your parents'

1523
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 3: house anyway. This guy comes along. Yeah, he loves underwear.

1524
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,879
Speaker 3: You've got to get him. So tie that guy down.

1525
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: Right, literally, So they settle in sale Morgan and Jerry's

1526
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 2: thing is he wants her to do all of her

1527
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: housework in the nude so he can take pictures of

1528
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: her while she's doing it. She's like, I'm sweatings, I'm swiffering.

1529
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And she's so young that she's completely kind

1530
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: of under his She probably doesn't know what if this

1531
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: is normal or not. Exactly.

1532
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is now married life. She's you know, like,

1533
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: I guess this is what you do. Yeah, as a wife.

1534
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1535
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: And around the same time, he starts complaining that he's

1536
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 2: getting migraines so bad that he's blacking out and that

1537
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: the only thing that helps alleviate those symptoms is going

1538
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: on night prowling raids to steal shoes and under where

1539
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: from local women.

1540
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: Everyone who's been taking advil for your fucking migraines.

1541
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 2: We've got a new solution. It's a way creepier solution.

1542
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: So he would keep all of those trophies. Trophies. She

1543
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: was an underwear in a garage that he had built.

1544
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 2: It was like a sub basement that his wife couldn't

1545
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 2: enter into until she announced her arrival on an intercom.

1546
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 2: It was he was locked down in this basement and

1547
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: she'd have to be like, honey, can I bring you

1548
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: some rits?

1549
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 3: Okay? So you put this away real quick. Yeah. He

1550
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 3: has it set up where it's like this is my

1551
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 3: man cave. You're not allowed down here. So in nineteen

1552
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 3: sixty two they have a daughter, but Jerry can't hold

1553
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 3: a steady job.

1554
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 2: They move all the time. They finally settle back in Portland.

1555
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: Jerry becomes an electrician. In nineteen sixty seven, they have

1556
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: a son, so two kids, but his wife won't him

1557
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: in the delivery room when she's having the baby, her

1558
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: second baby, and he he's so hurt by this was

1559
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: what this article was saying, or like it affected him

1560
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: so much that's when the raping and the killing starts.

1561
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: Wait, isn't that normal for back then?

1562
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's probably I'm assuming this

1563
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: is his story of him being like it pissed me

1564
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: out so much, you know, like that's the wife's salts.

1565
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 3: I think that's so normally. I think even when my

1566
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: in the seventies, when my brother was born and my

1567
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 3: dad wasn't allowed in there, right, but this was the

1568
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: wife's decision. This is what they're saying.

1569
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so it makes it sound like he was

1570
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: allowed in for their first child and not this some

1571
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: weird thing had happened. Yeah, so that's why he that's

1572
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: what he says. Yeah, of course it's someone else's fault.

1573
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: But also I imagine they've now been married for six

1574
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: years or so. She's probably seen some weird shit, and

1575
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 2: she's heard some weird shit, and there's a whole room

1576
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 2: she's locked out of all the time, so she's probably

1577
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 2: there's you know, like who knows what her state is.

1578
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: She knows him well enough that he doesn't want to

1579
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: go in there for the miracle of his child being born.

1580
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 3: He wants to go in there for something fucking creepy. Yeah,

1581
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 3: she doesn't trust it, right, how unnerving?

1582
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like, if I see my husband's face

1583
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: when I'm giving birth, I'm gonna cry.

1584
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 3: I will barf barf and cry, Oh, barf, cry, and

1585
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 3: then shit on the table, which is what everyone does.

1586
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 3: Apparently my friend Michelle Balan doesn't. No, I heard that

1587
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 3: It's terrifying. Was terrifying? Bart okay.

1588
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 2: So shortly after that the childbirth, he claims that he

1589
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: stalked a woman in Portland, Oregon, followed her home, waited

1590
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 2: for her to fall asleep, broke into her house to

1591
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: steal her shoes, but then when she woke up mid

1592
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 2: robbery and catches him, he chokes her until she passes out,

1593
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: rapes her, steals her shoes, and then leaves. So then

1594
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 2: in January of nineteen sixty eight, this is the This

1595
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,520
Speaker 2: is the woman who Anne Rule's book starts.

1596
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 3: With, Oh, okay, I forgot about that part.

1597
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she starts with this the first murder victim okay,

1598
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 2: and her name was Her name was Linda Slawson. She

1599
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: was selling Encyclopedia's door to door in the rain in Portland,

1600
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 2: oh no, and at nights.

1601
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no no. This sounds like

1602
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 3: a horror movie.

1603
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 2: I will completely the way this is written, it's like

1604
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:27,839
Speaker 2: she's trying to decide.

1605
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: She hasn't had any sales. She's just moved out.

1606
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 2: On her own, and I keep trying maybe the next one. Yeah,

1607
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: she like needs the money, she has to eat, like

1608
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: things are getting bad. And then there's like one last

1609
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: house that has a light on, and she's like, I

1610
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: just want to go home. I'll just try this one

1611
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 2: last time.

1612
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: Back then, they aren't as scared as we are today

1613
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 3: and weary, no, wary of There were so many door

1614
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 3: to door salesmen and women back then.

1615
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd let them in your house and it

1616
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: was yeah, and ninety percent of the time nothing happened.

1617
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: That's right, just a lot of vacuum sales, right, Okay.

1618
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 2: So so she goes up and she rings Jerry Brutus's doorbell.

1619
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: He is you see a picture of him. He looks

1620
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 2: like a cartoon. He looks like the missing Friend on

1621
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 2: King of the Hill, Like he's just he looks like

1622
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 2: grown up Charlie Brown with army issue black glasses on,

1623
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: just a big round head, like pasty, no distinguishing features,

1624
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 2: a little lumpy uh.

1625
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like almost like a bit of a snowman.

1626
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: Just round, round round. I love the picture in my head.

1627
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: I never want to see what he actually looks like.

1628
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 3: Just a vicious snowman.

1629
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but he when he answers the door, friendly

1630
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: and nice, low key, and he brings he's oh, come in,

1631
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 2: I actually just was. I really wanted to get a

1632
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: set of those acts super interested, then explains that his

1633
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: I think he said his children were sleeping.

1634
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 3: I think that's what his excuse was.

1635
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: Can you come down into the basement, Oh yeah, so

1636
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: they could talk business down there.

1637
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 3: Well, she goes down.

1638
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 2: And he almost immediately hits her in the head with

1639
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: a two by four, beats her and then strangles her

1640
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 2: to death.

1641
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 3: And then did he mean to you that time? Do

1642
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: you think? Yes? Okay, that was the whole idea, because

1643
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: he was strangling until they passed out before.

1644
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: That, right, Okay, But this girl comes to his door,

1645
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: and then he's like, the wife was out and he

1646
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: knew he had time to do whatever he wanted, so

1647
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 2: once before she after she's dead, and before he gets

1648
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 2: rid of the body, he takes off her clothes and

1649
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 2: dresses her up in the stolen underwear that he has

1650
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 2: in his collection.

1651
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 3: Then this is bad.

1652
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: He cuts off her left foot and keeps it in

1653
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: the freezer in a high heeled shoe. So it's like

1654
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: he has no I'm just proceperssing that shit.

1655
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 3: He was crazy. Yeah.

1656
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 2: So then when he and at some point there his

1657
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: wife came home and he went back upstairs in like

1658
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: ate dinner with the family.

1659
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 3: I believe I read that in the an rule book.

1660
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: But I'm almost positive that that's happening.

1661
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: He basically had family interactions like right after doing super normal,

1662
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: well probably as normal as he is.

1663
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 3: Racked.

1664
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably always coming up from that sub basement

1665
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: a little bit sweaty.

1666
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 3: Sure.

1667
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: So later in that night, he rolls her in a rug,

1668
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 2: drives to a bridge, pulls out all this stuff to

1669
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 2: make it look like he got a flat tire as

1670
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: almost like safety, and then dumps her body in the river.

1671
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: So then in July of nineteen sixty so that was January.

1672
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 2: So six months later, Stephanie Vico is reported missing from Portland.

1673
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 2: And then in November the same year, Jance Susan Whitney

1674
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: is reported missing from Portland, Jan's twenty three year old

1675
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: college student at the University of Oregon. Then in March

1676
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 2: of nineteen sixty nine, So about six months later, a

1677
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: woman named Karen Sprinkler, who was a nineteen year old

1678
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:57,440
Speaker 2: college student.

1679
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 3: Goes missing. And uh.

1680
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: When the police take the windess accounts of Karen going missing,

1681
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: two young girls tell the police they saw a large

1682
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 2: man dressed as a woman on the parking lot garage

1683
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: roof where Karen's abandoned car was found on that day.

1684
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: Whoa Uh, if you see a picture of this guy

1685
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: and then you picture him lurking around like a parking

1686
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 2: structure dressed as a woman, it's very scary.

1687
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 3: It's this scary.

1688
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: It's anyway, it sounds like uh Norman Norman Bates, Yeah,

1689
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: just like his mom kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, creepy.

1690
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: Because probably from a distance, you're like, oh, yeah, there's

1691
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: there's a woman up here on the same parking thing

1692
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: you'd be you'd feel I think that's part.

1693
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 3: Of what's sinister to me. You're lured into safety of like,

1694
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 3: oh that's a woman, just like man. Fine, I could

1695
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 3: see myself doing that completely sure.

1696
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: So a month later, a woman Nam Sharon Wood is

1697
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: attacked in a parking garage at Portland State University. She

1698
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 2: fends off her attacker by biting his thumb until it bled,

1699
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 2: and it of course turns out to be Jerry. Once

1700
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 2: she does this, he beats her unconscious, but then a

1701
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: car comes so he has to run, so the police

1702
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 2: get the report of this make no connection to the

1703
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: other parking garage attack. The next day after that attack,

1704
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: Jerry sees fourteen year old Leanne Brumley.

1705
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: He tries to abduct her, she fights him off and escapes.

1706
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 1: Day after that, a woman named Linda don Sale is

1707
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: reported missing. Her car is found abandoned in a parking garage.

1708
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: The police realize now that they're dealing with the serial killer.

1709
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: So the next month, which is May of nineteen sixty nine,

1710
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: a local fisherman discovers Linda Saley's body in the.

1711
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: Long Tom River. It was wade down by a car transmission.

1712
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: And then two days after that, Karen Sprinkler's body is

1713
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 2: found fifty feet away. Oh my god, so that's obviously

1714
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 2: his dumping ground. Karen was also tied to an old engine,

1715
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: which is the reason it kept her submerged for a

1716
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: long time.

1717
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 3: And he this is bad. Okay. He cut off her

1718
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 3: breasts to keep his souvenirs.

1719
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 2: He also placed a bra from his collection of undergarments

1720
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 2: over her mangled chest, is the way they worded it.

1721
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this guy is basically berserking.

1722
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: He's like he's killing He's trying to attack women almost daily,

1723
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: killing people, and then these bodies are coming up of

1724
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: when he like, it's it's just all going faster and

1725
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: fast like he started and then was fucking on yes,

1726
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: and then anytime he can't, he can't, you know, someone

1727
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: gets away, then he has to do try it again

1728
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: the very next day.

1729
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 3: So it's like wow.

1730
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: So the same month, he starts calling dorm rooms at

1731
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: Oregon State University to try to arrange blind dates with

1732
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: the co ed What the fuck?

1733
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 3: And it works? No?

1734
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: Uh huh?

1735
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 3: What did he say? I don't know what? I want

1736
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: to know? How he?

1737
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to I would love to know,

1738
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: And I bet you it's in that book. I promise

1739
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to finish reading this.

1740
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering everyone else should read it with me.

1741
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, insane.

1742
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Uh So.

1743
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: They're now the police now are onto the pattern.

1744
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: They're staking out places where young co eds hang out

1745
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: where they end up like parking structure stuff like that.

1746
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 2: A female student who claims to have gone on a

1747
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: blind date with this guy goes to police and gives

1748
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: his description, so now the police know what he looks like. Wow,

1749
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: And when he contacts her a second time for a

1750
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: follow up date, she calls the police and tells them.

1751
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 3: So they the.

1752
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 2: Police show up at the meeting spot. They questioned Jerry

1753
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 2: at the girl's residence hall. Oh so melocking intents at

1754
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: Oregon State. But he's so cooperative and he gave his ID,

1755
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: nothing came back. It all seemed legit, so he was

1756
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 2: not arrested because all they had on him was you're

1757
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: just trying to make blind dates with people, which is

1758
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:23,839
Speaker 2: not illegal.

1759
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,879
Speaker 3: But a bummer. But then the thank god, the police,

1760
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 3: after that interaction with him.

1761
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: Go back and they look up his record. They look

1762
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: into him further and think that blind date went forward

1763
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: after that?

1764
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's like, once he got cleared by the cops,

1765
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 3: she's like, so do you like roller skating? So they

1766
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 3: look into his record.

1767
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: They decided to go to his house for some follow

1768
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 2: up questions, and there they see several suspicious items in

1769
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 2: his garage, in his sub basement, and they start building

1770
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: a case against him because they're like they the old

1771
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: classic line of cops, we like this guy.

1772
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1773
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 2: So eventually they have enough evidence to arrest, to get

1774
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: an arrest warrant. He tries to run while there the

1775
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 2: police are serving him.

1776
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 3: With the arrest warrant. Never do that, it's never gonna work.

1777
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 2: No, if the cops are there, yeah, you're done. But

1778
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 2: the warrant was for the attempted deduction of Leanne Brumley

1779
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: from the month before, and so then they starting they

1780
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: get him in, take him downtown whatever.

1781
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 3: They started terrogating him, and he tries to call he

1782
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 3: he tries to call his.

1783
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: Wife and get her to burn stuff, clothing and like

1784
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 1: his his underwear collection and all my other evidence.

1785
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 3: He's like, now you can go into the sub basement. Yeah,

1786
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 3: exactly right, here's the here's the basket. If Darcy's like.

1787
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: Give fuck yourself for real, Darcy, Darcy's over it.

1788
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 3: She's she's had it.

1789
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 2: So the investigator's name was Jim Stovell, and he basically

1790
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: gets Jerry Brutos to confess to the murders of the

1791
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: two recently discovered bodies, as well as the murder of

1792
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 2: Linda Slawson and Jan Whitney.

1793
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 3: Wow, he's Jerry Brutos.

1794
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 2: Is tested by several psychologists psychiatrists, sorry, and he shows

1795
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 2: average i Q and cognition, deemed not criminally insane, which

1796
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1797
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't have to maybe because how can you be

1798
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: a serial like murder people and not being a little insane.

1799
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not sure what criminally insane must have

1800
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: a very specific thing, hardcore. But he is diagnosed as

1801
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: an anti social personality manifested by fetishism, transvesticism, exhibitionism, voyeurism,

1802
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 2: and sadism.

1803
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 3: Isn't trans isn't a fthing that back then? Transvesticism is

1804
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 3: a crime. Yes, it's insane. Yeah, and it wasn't that

1805
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: long ago. And I'm like, what is it.

1806
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: It's nineteen sixty some point, life, I lost my paper.

1807
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: We're in like, we're in the late sixties, nineteen sixty nine.

1808
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure someone's gonna tell us when it went tell

1809
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 3: and it's going to be recent. Yeah. Well, I mean

1810
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 3: they just fucking passed a thing.

1811
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: It's yeah, okay, So they collect all the evidence. He's

1812
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: eventually charged with three counts of first of murder jan

1813
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 2: Jan Whitney, Linda Sale, Karen Sprinkler. He tries to plead

1814
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: not guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, but eventually

1815
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 2: they just get him to plead guilty, and so on

1816
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: the same day that he pleads guilty, he's sentenced to

1817
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: three consecutive life sentences because he confessed. Right, there's no

1818
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 2: death penalty in Organs, so they just give him three

1819
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: consecutive life sentences. He's never charged with the murder of

1820
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 2: Linda Slawson because her body was never found.

1821
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, so sad.

1822
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: Now, around the time of all these murders, twelve women

1823
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 2: went missing in that area while he was free, so

1824
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 2: an investigation was ongoing to attempt to uncover the whereabouts

1825
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: of those other missing women, and at one point a

1826
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 2: neighbor of the Brutuses implicated Darcy in the murders, claiming

1827
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 2: that she had helped Jerry carry a body from the garage,

1828
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 2: and she actually ended up going to trial for it.

1829
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: Now being acquitted.

1830
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: Holy shit, yes do you think she did? Because what

1831
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: a bummer to like have a have your husband turn

1832
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: out to be a serial killer. Yeah, you're implicated and

1833
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: have nothing to.

1834
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: Do with it.

1835
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I would think. I don't think

1836
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 3: someone I don't know, and.

1837
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Based on what she's already done, you would think that

1838
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: she would testify against him for immunity if she actually

1839
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: knew something.

1840
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 3: Right and if she didn't burn that he called and

1841
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: was like, get rid of the events.

1842
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: She's like, no way, that doesn't seem like a person

1843
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: who's like in it for the long haul, or like

1844
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: his accomplice. Yeah sure, and yeah, anyhow, he goes to jail.

1845
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: But he also had piles of women's shoe catalogs in

1846
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: his cell.

1847
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

1848
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: He would write to the companies and ask for their

1849
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: the catalogs, so there were He claimed that subject substituted

1850
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: for pornography for.

1851
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 3: Him, and he actually uh.

1852
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 1: It says he lodged countless appeals, including one in which

1853
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: he allegedly, oh sorry. He lodged countless appeals, including one

1854
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: in which he alleged that a photograph taken of him

1855
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: with one of the corpses could not prove his guilt

1856
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: because it was not the body of the person he

1857
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: was convicted of killing.

1858
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: So he they found a picture of him posing with

1859
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: a dead body, but he was well, probably him I

1860
01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: would imagine, yeah, kitchen time. Yeah, uh so, it's like

1861
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: that kind of thing where he's arguing, like, look, that's.

1862
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 3: Not the dead body. Then hey, you can't sell one else.

1863
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 3: It's so insane. It's a picture of you posing with

1864
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 3: a dead body. Anyway.

1865
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 2: He died in prison on March twenty eight, two thousand

1866
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,879
Speaker 2: and six, from liver cancile.

1867
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 3: He lived for a long fucking time.

1868
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 2: In fact, at the time of his death, he was

1869
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: the longest incarcerated inmate in the organ Department of Corrections,

1870
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: a total of thirty seven years.

1871
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my age. Yeah, how my entire life

1872
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 3: is how long he was in prison? Yeah?

1873
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: Holy So if you want to read Less Killer, I'm

1874
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: going to finish it and then we'll know all those details,

1875
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: kiss it.

1876
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 3: I really do want to know, like all that stuff

1877
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 3: at the end.

1878
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 2: And I bet you it'll talk more about Darcy too,

1879
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 2: because I'm sure she.

1880
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Talked to Anrol. I bet you should talk to you

1881
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 3: think so. I bet she did. Love to hear more

1882
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 3: from Darcy. Try to finish that pretty soon.

1883
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 2: But also, thanks to those people from Radford University, your

1884
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: research helped me do my thing.

1885
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:07,799
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Shout outs to fucking helpers. This episode. Wired

1886
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Magazine all this, Wow, what a creep. I had never

1887
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: heard that one.

1888
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 3: It's bad.

1889
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those ones I've been working on.

1890
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 2: But every time I go to date, I'm like, it's

1891
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 2: just I mean, it's just there's no uh. But the

1892
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 2: only thing was the two points. I always look for

1893
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 2: those cinematic moments. One cinematic moment is a person dressed

1894
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: up like a woman hiding in a parking garage, which

1895
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 2: is the scariest, like beyond yeah. And then the other

1896
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 2: one is that as a child attacking that little girl

1897
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: and then being like I'm my twin brother.

1898
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 3: It's like, how fucking crazy are you? That's like psycho level. Yeah, okay,

1899
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,879
Speaker 3: we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

1900
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: No case updates. Although Jerry Brudos was featured in mind Hunter,

1901
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: which I always that was interesting because you know, we

1902
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: make jokes about it being so textbook, like he it's

1903
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 2: such a serial killers childhood and all those things. It's like,

1904
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: he's so textbook, and then the idea that like in

1905
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 2: mind Hunter, they're like, yep, here's one of those people

1906
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: that's exactly the kind of serial killer that's like here's

1907
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 2: their fetish, here's their you know history.

1908
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not as much of a well known

1909
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: serial killer as the others they showcased on that show.

1910
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 3: Yes, that was interesting.

1911
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: It is interesting. It makes me think that, you know,

1912
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: we think a lot like John Douglas, the FBI agent

1913
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 2: and author of Mind Hunter.

1914
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's ten years, we're basically FBI agents.

1915
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: We have earned it, you know, clearly, we know.

1916
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 3: We earned it. We put in our hours. What is

1917
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 3: it called when you put your hours in for something,

1918
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 3: clock in, clock out? No, like you pay your dues, Yeah,

1919
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 3: something like that. We've paid her to We've paid our

1920
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 3: news and then so we surely have all right, Well,

1921
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 3: should we wrap this guy up with our our happy

1922
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 3: things that Elvis and me are healthier?

1923
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh good, yeah, let's wrap it up.

1924
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: Do you have a good thing for this week? I

1925
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: have a good thing this week. Obviously it's Elvis getting

1926
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: better and Mimi getting better. But now that they are better,

1927
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: I can I can say what was going to.

1928
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 3: Be last week before this happened, which is had a kitten,

1929
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 3: man a new kitten. Like nothing will make it more

1930
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,560
Speaker 3: exciting in your house, like just watching her playing with

1931
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 3: a little toy by herself is like joyous. Yes. And

1932
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 3: then at night, oh my god, at night she nurses.

1933
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: Tries to nurse Vince's head and it drives him crazy.

1934
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 1: But it's like they I like color away, but not

1935
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: before I look at it for a minute. It's just

1936
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: so cute and she like nuzzles, and she's a real

1937
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: character and I like having her around.

1938
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 3: She's super cute.

1939
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's funny because she matches mem It's like

1940
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 2: they have the same jacket on, but Mimi's like, I

1941
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 2: fucking hate you.

1942
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 1: Mimi's jackets like obviously a little warm worn in. It's

1943
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: because it's still lighter and gittler. She's watched it more

1944
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: and she fucking hates the kitten. Yeah, Kitten's name is Dottie.

1945
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: She's a real doll.

1946
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 3: So what's yours mine is? I did a show last

1947
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 3: night at Largo.

1948
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Speaker 2: It was a comedy show for Brian Possain, who had

1949
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Speaker 2: who's been doing comedy for thirty years, so it was

1950
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Speaker 2: his thirty year anniversary.

1951
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Speaker 3: Wow in comedy.

1952
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Speaker 2: So he asked a bunch of us to do the

1953
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 2: show with him, who's he's been doing it with that

1954
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 2: long and so it was Me, Blanket Patch, Derek Sheen,

1955
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Speaker 2: Dana Gould, Greg Proops, and guy O Beelam.

1956
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Speaker 3: And it was such a good show, like idea for

1957
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Speaker 3: a show. It was so fun.

1958
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Speaker 2: And then so everyone was like obviously doing their act

1959
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 2: but then also telling these stories and doing jokes from

1960
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Speaker 2: their act from back then.

1961
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Speaker 3: Wow.

1962
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Speaker 2: And it was so fun and everyone was so insanely solid.

1963
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 2: But then it also was like I had a couple

1964
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 2: of moments I was it was very touching because I

1965
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 2: was like, I said something about how lucky I felt

1966
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 2: you have kind of happened into this tribe that I

1967
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 2: found where it's like, you know, when those people in

1968
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 2: San Francisco, those comics that I met and got to

1969
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 2: be friends with, that all, and we all just moved

1970
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 2: on mass to lad Yeah, and it was just such

1971
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: an amazing group of talented people who were geniuses and

1972
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 2: so fun and like telling stories where we're like at

1973
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 2: a recovered memory on stage where it's like Brian remember

1974
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 2: when oj Ran and we were in Golden Apple Comics,

1975
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 2: and like it was just like a whole thing like that.

1976
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Speaker 3: It was really really fun.

1977
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Speaker 1: That's such a nice thing to like, you know, you're

1978
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: going through this and you're or like you've been comed

1979
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Speaker 1: this long and you keep you're doing it, and you're

1980
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: doing it, but then.

1981
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Speaker 3: To like stop and take take stock of it. Yeah,

1982
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 3: such a cool thing. And I really I like that

1983
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Speaker 3: you guys did that. I too, and it takes stock

1984
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 3: in this kind of like I don't It was almost

1985
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 3: like a high school. It had a high school feeling

1986
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 3: in me, like meaning and the part of you're part

1987
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 3: of this big force and you're part of it. Yeah,

1988
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Speaker 3: you belong in it.

1989
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Speaker 2: And I think like when you're in that, you of

1990
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 2: course don't appreciate it because you're young and an asshole.

1991
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 2: I drunk all the time and kind of on pills.

1992
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you later on, when you get older,

1993
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 2: you know, just just know that, like when you have

1994
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 2: your like posse of friends, it doesn't last because everyone

1995
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 2: gets married or you know, maybe moves away or whatever.

1996
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Speaker 3: It's comedy for whatever reason or yeah.

1997
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Speaker 2: Exactly, it's just kind of people move away from each

1998
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 2: other and in ways that you kind of don't expect.

1999
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 2: And then so I think that there was a nice

2000
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 2: kind of like reunion feel to it that I really liked.

2001
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Speaker 3: So awesome. Yeah, it's those good feelings.

2002
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeay, and I because I really always I hate doing

2003
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 2: stand up comedy so much, and I very often cancel

2004
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 2: my sets because I'm like, there's no point. And I

2005
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 2: knew I couldn't do it because I wouldn't do that

2006
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: to Bryan special one. So then when I was actually

2007
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 2: doing I was like, oh, I do like it.

2008
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 3: That's right, I do like comedy. Yeah, you got to

2009
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 3: pick the ones that mean something to you, I guess.

2010
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just like acknowledge, when I'm busy, right and

2011
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 2: TI TI tired and busy, I get so so tired.

2012
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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're back from our wrap up.

2013
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 2: Yes, So this episode was originally titled the Sharpest Needle

2014
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: in the Tack, one of the great Georgia.

2015
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Speaker 3: Quotes, thank you.

2016
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Speaker 1: But if we were changing it today, which I don't

2017
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: think we would, some options would be and whenever we

2018
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: record an episode, Mollie or Bridge what comes in and

2019
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: gives us options as titles, just so you guys know,

2020
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: of like the stupid funny things we said in the episode.

2021
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we're doing. So it wouldn't

2022
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: change it, but here are some options. It could be

2023
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: start us equals Anxiety, which is on my list and

2024
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: I still don't know what the fuck that means. Maybe

2025
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: it's that, like the universe is so vast and stardust

2026
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 1: is so that it's overwhelming.

2027
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 3: That could be it.

2028
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe you read that quote that we're all

2029
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: made of stardust and.

2030
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, gave me.

2031
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 2: You don't want that in there.

2032
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 3: That sounds like me.

2033
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 2: You don't want space rocks inside you.

2034
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 3: I don't want that.

2035
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 2: There's also twists and turns all over the place, which

2036
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 2: is when Georgia teased her story is unexpected, and then

2037
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,879
Speaker 2: keeps on talking about the twists and turns.

2038
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 3: I do a lot of twists and turns.

2039
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: And then please doctors that Karen went on that we

2040
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: went on a tangent about what it means to have

2041
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,560
Speaker 1: a cerebral cerebral hemorrhage.

2042
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 3: God, that's a hard one.

2043
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,759
Speaker 1: To say, Yeah it is, And Karen pleads with doctors

2044
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 1: toy in, please doctors tell us how to do this podcast.

2045
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's how we've always been about this podcast.

2046
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: We want doctors, we want the input. It's the guidance

2047
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 2: is appreciated. We don't always take it, and often you're wrong,

2048
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 2: but when you're right, you're right. We won't deny when

2049
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 2: you're right.

2050
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 3: You're probably way more professional than we are.

2051
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 2: So guys, we'll get in here.

2052
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Tell us all right, So thanks you guys for listening.

2053
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: We're going to say goodbye in the original episode from

2054
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Thanks for coming in and listening to rewind.

2055
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Well what should I see if anyone is going to talk?

2056
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Ellis isn't mem Well, thanks for listening, everybody.

2057
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for listening.

2058
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go onto the website if you want to

2059
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 2: get those pre sale tickets for the upcoming tour.

2060
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Australia.

2061
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Heads Up, Australia, get ready, get in there, Australia be

2062
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: our friends.

2063
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it. Stay sexy, don't get murdered.

2064
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 2: Bye bye me want.

2065
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 4: To cookie me?

2066
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 3: Me? Not this week, he's just like leaning away from

2067
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Speaker 3: the microphone.